Seems to me this is an acceptable to good low-budget HDR gaming monitor. Gamers don't really care much for true-color sRGB modes. And most likely enjoy the level of saturation as it 'wows' them compared to their previous device from many years ago. Could it be better? Sure. But for these specs the price is great, I think. There is only one mini-LED monitor available for substantially cheaper, and it has notably worse performance.
Red tint bug if change color space from NATIVE to DCI P3, SRGB, ADOBE RGB How to "fix": Select mode > Select "Energy Saver" > Select "Standard" again Red tint bug if HDR ON on windows how to "fix" Advanced > HDR select off (OSD) > HDR select on (OSD) again. this bug has been the talk of the month in the GTID Discord Server.
This should be done by the firmware update but some genius decided to not put a USB port on a monitor. What a stupid idea. Because of this for me this monitor is DoA.
I'm just glad this monitor exists. I wanted something at least comparable to my IPS MiniLED laptop screen in terms of brightness, response time, clarity and consistency, but the expensive high end monitors all still seem to have some caveats right now (especially OLED obviously) which made me not want to invest that much just yet. Cheap monitors of this class without major flaws are extremely hard to find. And where I live now in Indonesia, the AOC is hard to get and twice the price of the Xiaomi, so this monitor was really the only viable choice for me and I haven't been disappointed. This will do at least until there is a significant improvement in monitor tech again. I'm sure eventually we can have our cake and eat it too, i.e. something as good as OLED with clear text and no risk of burn in.
I've got this one (well, Redmi non-international model) for $270. Most of "affordable" monitors you guys usually make reviews about are more than $400 in my country, so for our market this monitor seemed like a godsend.
Hello, Is it fine if you use native mode to avoid the red tint bug with nvidia hdr rtx to use the wider color mode better or is the oversaturation too much?
@@maximiusiv3741 I don't use NVIDIA RTX HDR because I'm on AMD graphics card. I personally like wide color gamut, that was partially the reason I bought it and not similarly priced competitor Titan Army 27A6MR. Anything else with miniLED is prohibitively expensive in my locale, that AOC monitor mentioned in this video is $500-550 compared to $280 I paid for Xiaomi. I like vibrant colors, they aren't burning my eyes or anything, after Native sRGB looks dull and pale for me. It is very subjective thing, some people will like it, some won't.
In the UK, the Xiaomi is a fair bit cheaper than the AOC one. I got it for £225 with a discount code (available to anyone) directly from the Xiaomi website. The AOC mini led usually seems to be around £280-ish from Currys/Amazon but barely ever seems to be in stock and I've not personally seen it on sale yet. I'm happy with the Xiaomi considering the price I paid, I do agree not including the option to update the firmware is bad though, and the local dimming not being tied to the mode you're using is a bit annoying but not a deal breaker.
@@ChengsHardware the price i mentioned is without including platform discount/voucher, in reality it's always $270 or lower depending on the date ( like 12.12 or any kind of sales season)
Finally a new mini led review! I'd love to see the TCL 34R83Q and the 27R83U reviewed but since they are not aviable in america it's probably low priority for you
Thank you so much for the review, Tim! Glad to see more of these budget mini LEDs get reviews. Here's hoping the upcoming AOC Q27G4XM is more promising
Great to see a budget monitor option... Would be interesting to see if youre able to test a Prism+ one ( that should be available loclaly for you guys down under)
Could you look at Nvidias "GPU scaling" vs. "Display scaling" for latency? This has always been a big topic within the esport space but seemingly no one did proper testing on it yet. Edit: To clarify, the common consensus seems to be that it matters how good the integrated scaler of the monitor is. It would be interesting to have some data for at least a few models of the prevalent high refresh rate/esport focused brands like Zowie and Asus.
Yes i wouldnt buy an oled right now. Im sure you will use your monitor more than 2 years too and theres burn in after much shorter time if you use it daily. Im really happy with my 4k 27 ips display for 210€.
I have 2 oleds & 1 of them I had for 2 years with no problems & my other i had for 4 months with no problems. My cousin also had his for 2 years with no problems so I don't see why some of u are so scared of oleds especially oleds from this year 😂😂😂
@@504TreyMost folks prefer to keep their monitors and TVs for more than 2 years. I would also expect OLED monitors to last for at least the standard 24 month warranty that all electronics have in the EU, but I'd like my monitor to last me for at least 5 years. Also, ending your comment with 😂😂😂 makes it quite obnoxious.
Thanks for finally covering this. I've been very interested in this monitor since I wanted a Mini LED monitor but also an IPS panel for my creative work (just a strong preference) so I wanted a monitor that could basically do creative work + HDR media consumption + casual AAA gaming all in one. The red tint, white balance and the inability to update the firmware sounds very disappointing. Seems like I might just have to wait until another company tries their hand at a Mini LED IPS within this price range. (I heard AOC had something like that recently released in China called the Q27G4XM but there's very little info about it online.)
I own this monitor and i must say the local dimming makes a GIANT difference versus a classic IPS with greyish blacks and shit contrast. With LD on, in SDR or HDR content you can get a "close" OLED-like experience and deep blacks without the burn-in. It's a no-brainer, in fact it makes all the non mini led/OLED look like hot-garbage. Its only downside is the lack of way to update the firmware to fix some bugs like the red tint one which thankfully can be fixed in windows ( someone made a thread on reddit ).
Mini LED monitors with IPS panels don't have greyish blacks issue when diming zones/HDR is enabled. I was very concerned over that, because of my love of horror games, but have to bought a mini LED IPS monitor instead of mini LED with VA panel, because of price difference/the lack of availability of the latter one, and it really managed to impress me. Playing Alien: Isolation with HDR enabled through Special K was a blast, and that's a horror game with lots of very dark and pitch black areas. The overall picture quality was better than on my previous PVA SDR monitor.
I reached the conclusion that for those of us that can't or don't want to go OLED for one reason or another e.g. burn-in concerns or text rendering issues it's best not to bother with HDR. Even HDR in itself has issues with Windows support being finnicky and annoying so adding blooming, response times concerns, flickering, zone transition artifacts and having to turn HDR on and off due to it not being a seamless solution is not something I want inflict upon myself.
Thank you Tim and the Hardware Unboxed patreon supporters for making this review possible. In my country, this is the cheapest miniLED monitor, as the AOC Q27G3XMN is not available officially and is massively overpriced to decently premium OLED monitor prices, so it makes it one of the better value. The only competition to this monitor for me is the Asus ROG Strix XG27ACS, which is cheaper and comes down whether I really want a miniLED or not. I do agree that lowering the price will really help the competitiveness and value-proposition of the Xiaomi miniLED. Thanks for the informative review as always.
Thanks for the review. In Germany both of the AOC and Xiaomi monitors have the same price (330€) which makes the Xiaomi more tempting. But given the color tuning issues, I will wait for a successor or a new patch if they fix the firmware. Hopefully they continue this line of monitors.
24:03 If anyone has a bit of time I'll list the prices where I live and you can help me decide. 1440p LG UltraGear 27GR83Q 240hz at 300 euro Gigabyte M27Q 165hz at 240 euro AOC Q27G3XMN 144hz at 360 euro Xiaomi g pro 27I at 360 euro 4k LG UltraGear 27GR93U 144hz at 460 euro Gigabyte M27U 144hz at 580 euro Gigabyte M28U-EK 144hz at 460 euro Theese seem to be my options, I would go above 450 euro unless it is a really good value. Thank you.
I would pick aoc q27g3xmn,i just cant stand any type of ips at all,they cause me a severe headaches,and to be honest ips just looks miles worse to me,yet i see people praising ips,they say it looks better,maybe it looks better in bright spaces,like in shops but since i mostly game in semi dark or darkness va has been the savior of my eyes :) just pick what you like most,also if you are interested in 1080p 240hz the one im running now called 25g3zm/bk has been nothing short of amazing,cheers and gl :)))
Having recently moved from a high end VA LCD panel capable of fantastic looking HDR 1000 experience to an OLED, I honestly can say the improvement is mostly preferential. Both high end LCD + sufficient dimming zones and OLED have some extreme pros and glaring cons depending on the situation, that's why sometimes I find the treatment of OLED being the high end and LCD being the budget/mid range a little triggering. For how people typically use their monitor aka a combination of gaming + work + browsing + video / movies etc, OLED is simply not better than LCD in every perceivable way so I don't think it's right to automatically rank a monitor higher than another just based on the panel tech. A properly built and tuned LCD can compete with OLED on equal grounds for how a monitor is typically used from an overall sense.
Did you not see the stats for cumulative deviation? No monitor comes close to OLED when it comes to overshoot/actual refresh rate. I'd simply use two monitors, one cheap as hell for office work and browsing, and an OLED for movies/games.
Have you seen the TCL 27R83U monitor? 27 inch 4k VA with 1152 dimming zones and a flat panel. On paper it sounds really good but I cannot seem to find much reviews.
also I just bought this monitor last month (november) with firmware version of V1.0.12, still there's red tint issue but there's a work round in regards with red tint issue, but it's more cheaper than the AOC Mini LED (in the PH).
I'd love a video showing the demonstrated visual differences between monitor types in terms of dark-level smearing, overshoot, etc. Half of these terms I have no idea what they mean on a day-to-day practical level.
Considering this monitor costs $200 over regular ones just for the HDR, these HDR problems are unacceptable. Too much money for buggy frustrating features.
Hey, I've just wanted to clarify about "Red tint" problem that you've encountered with this monitor. This is a long-lasting bug in this monitor's firmware. It can be eliminated by enabling and disabling "power saving mode" in this monitor's setting. So in order to properly use this monitor and NOT encounter that bug you should: 1. Enable sRGB mode and get red-ish picture; 2. Go to Picture Mode menu; 3. Go to "Select Mode" and choose "Energy saver"; 4. Go back to the same menu and choose "Standard" again. Voila! Red tint is gone! Xiaomi cannot fix this bug and it was a nuisance for many owners of this monitors, although some people say they don't encounter it with their monitors. Weird.
Other people are saying this "fix" reverts every time you swap settings, so I hope purchasers counting on this to work aren't swapping between SDR and HDR often.
@@benjaminoechsli1941 On my monitor (Redmi for Chinese market, firmware ver. 1.0.19) red tint bug doesn't appear if switching from HDR to SDR, or it is so insignificant I don't even notice it. It only appears if I change gamut settings (from native to DCI-P3 or sRGB, let's say). I edit photos maybe once a month (I use DCI-P3 mode for that instead of Native), so doing 10 second fix doesn't bother me. I'd rather do this than pay $500 for another miniLED monitor like that AOC mentioned in this video.
@@ПавелОлюшин-к3ж it is still better than most monitors are calibrated. Moreover, most monitors in that price range don't even have calibrated gamuts. And most certainly not factory calibrated. And calibrated mode is not reset, you clearly see difference between native mode and SRGB after fix.
The same issues with Miniled monitors. Great technology, great hardware package Bad OSD options that make it half as good as it could be, with flaws that aren't fixable.
I have had the AOC Q27g3xmn for almost a year now and HDR tuning has been a pain in the ass. It doesnt do source tone mapping from the OSD so windows 11 looks washed out and red-tinted, which cannot be fixed in the OSD. Even after using the windows store HDR calibration app, it HDR in general becomes a hit/miss depending on the game. Auto-HDR ironically enough, looks better with some of the games that support it. I tried HDR on the PS5 through the HDMI port and it looked completely washed out. This was further frustrated by the fact that enabling HDR on the monitor, it blocks almost every other option in the OSD. Unlike PC, consoles can't control monitor color tuning manually with GPU software like nvidia control panel. For a budget panel, the AOC Q27g3xmn did have more pros than cons but it was an absolute pain to set up and I would have paid an extra $20 - 30 if I could get some bloody firmware updates.
Be careful with this monitor ! I ordered 2 of them, both were with stuck/dead pixels. Today will come 3d one, will see. If no luck again, I will order aoc, probably. In my country, it's ~$310 for this monitor, AOC Q27G3XMN is ~$340. As for firmware, it's not fixed. One monitor was 10.24, the newest firmware - same reddish dp3/srgb modes, but in native it's fine.
The current selection of monitors is quite poor, as it is divided strictly between gaming monitors and productivity monitors. This division ignores the fact that many gamers also have day jobs, and many professionals enjoy gaming at night. As a result, users are forced to choose between the two options, missing out on the best of both worlds for work and play.
@regoragorrab7713 nah, g27i is only 7k pesos and 1/3 the price of the AOC one. Stop replying if you don't know what you're talking about, G Pro 27i is available here for 20k pesos compared to AOC at 22k pesos
Go for the AOC, this Xiaomi has some mejor bugs and it is not worth the chance. AOC is solid, had both of them side to side and the AOC wins even if we leave the Xiami's bug to the side.
Despite it being a VA panel, the grainy picture when grays transitioned to brighter colors, and the vertical lines in yellow and orange were so annoying that I returned it and waiting for the Xiaomi. @Raizazel
If it’s to good to be true, than it is! Just save up for OLED boys. That input lag in HDR is disguising, the whole point to this monitor is HDR, otherwise we could just buy a cheap ips that doesn’t have this input lag problem. Once you go OLED there is no going back, image is so clear, hdr so perfect with no halo, input lag so small. Also ICC profiles behind a paywall is pathetic Tim. Other reviewers actually mention this and laugh.
I have that monitor but moved on to better things like Koorui 27e3qk(2nd monitor) and now G60SD (Main) The response time is garbage. With overdrives(s), the smearing is vomit inducing for me. Also coil whine at the back of the monitor particularly top right when using testufo and playing games(gpu has a lower pitch whine, actually placed my ear next to sources) Blooming with fald on, sucks besides watching content (seems like 384 zones?) I like the colors altho I am not an aficionado on those things
@@AfterDark62 there is basically no review on response time on that monitor so i wanted to see the real numbers for it. I looked at the other monitor you got but one is standard ips and the other is oled so i don't think there can be any comparison between those. OLed obsiously is best but i don't feel like taking the risk for a potential burn in so i wanted a miniled option. So far the 3 options were the koorui gn 10, the aoc and the xiaomi of the video. I was leaning for the koorui for the 240hz since i already have a 240hz tn panel don't want to feel like going backwards.
@@hydrus5252 Coming from a Tn, you'll probably perceive the slower response time. Also, my gn10 has flickering issues with vrr (NVCP says not validated but still there :)). GN10's coating is better than my koorui tho Maybe check Koorui 27E3QK or ViewSonic VX2758A-2K-PRO-3(check MOBHouse or other youtuber) VAs are just slow except if its from samsung. If you want contrast so bad get VA, else IPS all the way. Or oled XD
It's sad that SDR is messed up. I wonder if the InnoCN MiniLED are any better. That or just get the AOC one as my 2nd monitor for editing and coding next to my OLED. They are the same price here anyways.
Thanks for this review I was curious how xiaomi monitors fared, I have one of their cellphones and I do like it. But can you please ask all monitor makers, why are they putting the buttons, on so hard to reach places? Decades ago monitor buttons, were in the front of the monitor, sometimes behind a small trap door, and that makes absolute sense to me, is so the user can easily reach them, while looking directly at the screen and controls. Now is nothing like that and is so inconvenient! Is impossible to look at the screen and the buttons at the same time, making you mis-click often, is like being a blind person trying to read braille. Some monitor makers, even fail to put all monitor firmware options on their software, so you can't change the exact same settings in the OS tools and even if they do, sometimes their software is so bloated, buggy and slow that you don't want to install it, so you are forced to deal with hard to reach monitor buttons... So please ask monitor makers, why are they making life hard for users?
can you review the MSI - MAG 255XF 24". for a 160$ monitor, 300hz and rapid ips is a pretty good budget monitor for 1080p it states 0.5ms gtg aswell which i have no clue if its true
At the moment yes, OLED beat everything, although premium Mini LED can get really close. However, QDEL are currently in the functional concept stage, and in theory they beat OLEDs in every way: still per pixel light control with perfect blacks, fast response times, great brightness and accuracy, much lower burn in risk, lower production costs. Maybe in a few years we will see them available on the market.
What to buy? I have sick eyes, please help!!! Spilled oil in one eye, laser surgery in the other. Flickering, shiny screen is tears, a lot of dots in the eye. It broke my Eizo EV2436W. Tried AOC mini-led, at a friend's lg oled. LG as set darkest is acceptable. Acer x27U and AOC Agon AG27 cheapest in our country. I use only sites, youtube and rarely dark games, for example resident. I have: i7 9700, 6750xt, 2x8GB. Is there a chance to get anything but Eizo from Papper. Dark monitor without flicker ideal.
Wonder if your unit was just meh OR the 07 firmware. Got the 06 myself and enabling local dimming cranks brightness or lets say highlights up rather than down with 100% white window up to 1500 nits. But still, for that price the specs are criminal.
I just want a fucking monitor that runs and looks good. I dont want to have to turn on 5 different gimmics and then constantly fucking adjust them or turn them off over and over again. I dont give a shit about the environment, so I dont want power saving bullshit. I dont want it to randomly dim and undim all the fucking time. I dont want it to decide for me to get rid of all the blue because "oh, your eyes might hurt!", I dont want to have to switch between SDR versus HDR placebos, I just want it to work and look good and not burn in or get horrible backlight bleed. Point me to this monitor please. And dont give me any bullshit about 3-5 year warranties making OLEDs the better gamble. I shouldnt have to RMA the thing 3 times in one year, which is the worst report I have seen, MULTIPLE TIMES SO FAR FROM SEVERAL PEOPLE who bought $1000 OLEDS. Thats fucking bullshit, thats a company that KNOWS their product is fucked right from the get go, and to counter it theyre pulling a "microsoft with the red ring of death", gambling with "maybe well make MORE money than well actually lose, itll eventually even out". What should be TERRIFYING to ALL of you is, this isnt ONE company doing this, its ALL of them, meaning they ALL released a product WAY too early. That shit rarely happens, and to me is a sign of an industry falling apart either with greed, or because ultimately they know theyre done so they dont care and are trying to milk as much as humanly possible before the inevitable crash.
Why do people like 27 inch instead of 31-32? For the past 5 years plus i only had ultrawide, 29 inch(2560x1080),34 inch(3440x1440] and now 49 inch( 5120x1440 the odyssey oled), i know not all people like ultrawide, but why not 32 inch 4k or 1440 instead of 27,is so small
Can't understand a monitor without a USB port for firmware updates - this is just stupid. This couldn't be an issue if this monitor were perfectly tuned but it isn't and it's obvious that a firmware update is welcome. For me DOA just because of this. Still waiting for a good 4k 27-28" LCD with 10k+ dimming zones. This monitor is a step in a good direction but we are not there yet.
i got that one, but its just another version of the coolermaster gp2711 KTC is the OEM manufacturer for coolermaster. so it doesnt make sense to list the effectively exact same monitor twice. edit: although it would be nice if its somehow possible to list both in the same line or sth
Has anyone ever plugged headphones into their monitor? Im really curious. I always see the headphone connectors and wonder why anyone would do that. Same with all the USB slots always
It has no speakers, so I plug my speakers in the headphone jack. Usb can be used as hub or for firmware update, very important since this monitor has bugs that needs to be fixed but can not be fixed without the possibility to update it.
Thanks Man. I commented for straight 10 days for you to review this Monitor. Thx for listening....... so..... (Day 11: finally got him to review this monitor. Mission success)
Using IPS makes no sense for HDR-capable displays. I`v purchased this monitor a month ago and had to sell it because its contrast and brightness in real world usage is terrible + local dimming artifacts make it not any better than good VA monitor with native 3000:1 contrast ratio
Thnx for the Test, im unhappy, that the Monitor not beat the AOC, on the other Hand im happy, because for the missing Review, i yesterday bought a M28U and im shocked if the G27i pro would be an HDR Rival to OLED for a reasonable Price without the Burn-in Issue.
"Should've used the headline: "The Xiaomi didn't wow me".
Damn that's good
I'm more like : "USB Uplink port on HDR monitor is important"
@@monitorsunboxed 2 goats of monitor reviews.
Seems to me this is an acceptable to good low-budget HDR gaming monitor. Gamers don't really care much for true-color sRGB modes. And most likely enjoy the level of saturation as it 'wows' them compared to their previous device from many years ago. Could it be better? Sure. But for these specs the price is great, I think. There is only one mini-LED monitor available for substantially cheaper, and it has notably worse performance.
Red tint bug if change color space from NATIVE to DCI P3, SRGB, ADOBE RGB
How to "fix":
Select mode > Select "Energy Saver" > Select "Standard" again
Red tint bug if HDR ON on windows
how to "fix"
Advanced > HDR select off (OSD) > HDR select on (OSD) again.
this bug has been the talk of the month in the GTID Discord Server.
this has to become top comment so people can see it!
This should be done by the firmware update but some genius decided to not put a USB port on a monitor. What a stupid idea. Because of this for me this monitor is DoA.
@@tomtomkowski7653 yeah, a usb port would solve the issue
@@tomtomkowski7653 imagine if they release a refreshed version next year with usb service port
@@tomtomkowski7653 if only Xioami used the DP port to do firmware updates like some others do ...
Really looking forward to seeing more budget miniled options.
I'm just glad this monitor exists. I wanted something at least comparable to my IPS MiniLED laptop screen in terms of brightness, response time, clarity and consistency, but the expensive high end monitors all still seem to have some caveats right now (especially OLED obviously) which made me not want to invest that much just yet. Cheap monitors of this class without major flaws are extremely hard to find. And where I live now in Indonesia, the AOC is hard to get and twice the price of the Xiaomi, so this monitor was really the only viable choice for me and I haven't been disappointed. This will do at least until there is a significant improvement in monitor tech again. I'm sure eventually we can have our cake and eat it too, i.e. something as good as OLED with clear text and no risk of burn in.
I've got this one (well, Redmi non-international model) for $270. Most of "affordable" monitors you guys usually make reviews about are more than $400 in my country, so for our market this monitor seemed like a godsend.
And AOC G27G3XMN that you mention in this video is around $500. It's like a no-brainer buy for my locale specifically.
True. In Europe prices gone crazy.@@manoftherainshorts9075
Hello, Is it fine if you use native mode to avoid the red tint bug with nvidia hdr rtx to use the wider color mode better or is the oversaturation too much?
@@maximiusiv3741 I don't use NVIDIA RTX HDR because I'm on AMD graphics card.
I personally like wide color gamut, that was partially the reason I bought it and not similarly priced competitor Titan Army 27A6MR.
Anything else with miniLED is prohibitively expensive in my locale, that AOC monitor mentioned in this video is $500-550 compared to $280 I paid for Xiaomi.
I like vibrant colors, they aren't burning my eyes or anything, after Native sRGB looks dull and pale for me. It is very subjective thing, some people will like it, some won't.
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In the UK, the Xiaomi is a fair bit cheaper than the AOC one. I got it for £225 with a discount code (available to anyone) directly from the Xiaomi website. The AOC mini led usually seems to be around £280-ish from Currys/Amazon but barely ever seems to be in stock and I've not personally seen it on sale yet.
I'm happy with the Xiaomi considering the price I paid, I do agree not including the option to update the firmware is bad though, and the local dimming not being tied to the mode you're using is a bit annoying but not a deal breaker.
the Xiaomi G Pro 27i available in indonesia for just around $300 usd, which probably more cost effective for those in the australia wanted to buy one
Here in mainlan China, it's 1899 RMB (260 USD),considering international shipping and stuff, I think you got great price
@@ChengsHardware the price i mentioned is without including platform discount/voucher, in reality it's always $270 or lower depending on the date ( like 12.12 or any kind of sales season)
In where I'm at, it's around $325 and that is crazy cheap for a mini-led.
I got mine for ~245 usd with Shopee discount. Sadly had to return it because broken backlight.
Finally a new mini led review! I'd love to see the TCL 34R83Q and the 27R83U reviewed but since they are not aviable in america it's probably low priority for you
Thank you so much for the review, Tim!
Glad to see more of these budget mini LEDs get reviews. Here's hoping the upcoming AOC Q27G4XM is more promising
subbed to the patreon for the ICC profile, thanks!
Great to see a budget monitor option... Would be interesting to see if youre able to test a Prism+ one ( that should be available loclaly for you guys down under)
Could you look at Nvidias "GPU scaling" vs. "Display scaling" for latency? This has always been a big topic within the esport space but seemingly no one did proper testing on it yet.
Edit: To clarify, the common consensus seems to be that it matters how good the integrated scaler of the monitor is. It would be interesting to have some data for at least a few models of the prevalent high refresh rate/esport focused brands like Zowie and Asus.
+1 all we have is word of mouth from blurbusters. Would love to see real numbere
if you look it up there are many questions on this and answeres too
there's a lot of topics like these but they're so hard to find for reviews/testing
I am too poor to afford $600 oled monitor burning on me so I am glad to see more advanced and affordable ips monitors are still being released
Yes i wouldnt buy an oled right now. Im sure you will use your monitor more than 2 years too and theres burn in after much shorter time if you use it daily. Im really happy with my 4k 27 ips display for 210€.
I have 2 oleds & 1 of them I had for 2 years with no problems & my other i had for 4 months with no problems. My cousin also had his for 2 years with no problems so I don't see why some of u are so scared of oleds especially oleds from this year 😂😂😂
@@504TreyMost folks prefer to keep their monitors and TVs for more than 2 years. I would also expect OLED monitors to last for at least the standard 24 month warranty that all electronics have in the EU, but I'd like my monitor to last me for at least 5 years.
Also, ending your comment with 😂😂😂 makes it quite obnoxious.
regardless of price, oled suffers from burn problem so why buy one anyway. Stay with IPS.
You don't say 😂😂
You are truly a man for the people, tanx for delivering the review we've been asking for
Thanks for finally covering this. I've been very interested in this monitor since I wanted a Mini LED monitor but also an IPS panel for my creative work (just a strong preference) so I wanted a monitor that could basically do creative work + HDR media consumption + casual AAA gaming all in one. The red tint, white balance and the inability to update the firmware sounds very disappointing. Seems like I might just have to wait until another company tries their hand at a Mini LED IPS within this price range. (I heard AOC had something like that recently released in China called the Q27G4XM but there's very little info about it online.)
I own this monitor and i must say the local dimming makes a GIANT difference versus a classic IPS with greyish blacks and shit contrast. With LD on, in SDR or HDR content you can get a "close" OLED-like experience and deep blacks without the burn-in. It's a no-brainer, in fact it makes all the non mini led/OLED look like hot-garbage.
Its only downside is the lack of way to update the firmware to fix some bugs like the red tint one which thankfully can be fixed in windows ( someone made a thread on reddit ).
Mini LED monitors with IPS panels don't have greyish blacks issue when diming zones/HDR is enabled. I was very concerned over that, because of my love of horror games, but have to bought a mini LED IPS monitor instead of mini LED with VA panel, because of price difference/the lack of availability of the latter one, and it really managed to impress me. Playing Alien: Isolation with HDR enabled through Special K was a blast, and that's a horror game with lots of very dark and pitch black areas. The overall picture quality was better than on my previous PVA SDR monitor.
We waited a long time on this 😀
I reached the conclusion that for those of us that can't or don't want to go OLED for one reason or another e.g. burn-in concerns or text rendering issues it's best not to bother with HDR. Even HDR in itself has issues with Windows support being finnicky and annoying so adding blooming, response times concerns, flickering, zone transition artifacts and having to turn HDR on and off due to it not being a seamless solution is not something I want inflict upon myself.
Thank you Tim and the Hardware Unboxed patreon supporters for making this review possible. In my country, this is the cheapest miniLED monitor, as the AOC Q27G3XMN is not available officially and is massively overpriced to decently premium OLED monitor prices, so it makes it one of the better value. The only competition to this monitor for me is the Asus ROG Strix XG27ACS, which is cheaper and comes down whether I really want a miniLED or not. I do agree that lowering the price will really help the competitiveness and value-proposition of the Xiaomi miniLED. Thanks for the informative review as always.
Thanks for the review. In Germany both of the AOC and Xiaomi monitors have the same price (330€) which makes the Xiaomi more tempting. But given the color tuning issues, I will wait for a successor or a new patch if they fix the firmware. Hopefully they continue this line of monitors.
Thanks for reviewing this model, I had my eyes on it, but this review revealed some flaws that are important for me.
Finally xiaomi monitor on this channel. Thanks you
Finally there's a revview for this monitor
Long awaited review.
Thank you very much for the review, you are the best!
The names of these monitors make me laugh "ThIS nEw MoNiTor CaLlEd asdaegfdfhhfgjtghdfsasad"
Finally, it arrived! 😄👍
Worth noting that in Europe this monitor is actually cheaper than the AOC miniled.
My monitor i buy this at the price of 4.000.000 rupiah which is like low 200 dollar,love it.
24:03 If anyone has a bit of time I'll list the prices where I live and you can help me decide.
1440p
LG UltraGear 27GR83Q 240hz at 300 euro
Gigabyte M27Q 165hz at 240 euro
AOC Q27G3XMN 144hz at 360 euro
Xiaomi g pro 27I at 360 euro
4k
LG UltraGear 27GR93U 144hz at 460 euro
Gigabyte M27U 144hz at 580 euro
Gigabyte M28U-EK 144hz at 460 euro
Theese seem to be my options, I would go above 450 euro unless it is a really good value. Thank you.
I would pick aoc q27g3xmn,i just cant stand any type of ips at all,they cause me a severe headaches,and to be honest ips just looks miles worse to me,yet i see people praising ips,they say it looks better,maybe it looks better in bright spaces,like in shops but since i mostly game in semi dark or darkness va has been the savior of my eyes :) just pick what you like most,also if you are interested in 1080p 240hz the one im running now called 25g3zm/bk has been nothing short of amazing,cheers and gl :)))
Having recently moved from a high end VA LCD panel capable of fantastic looking HDR 1000 experience to an OLED, I honestly can say the improvement is mostly preferential. Both high end LCD + sufficient dimming zones and OLED have some extreme pros and glaring cons depending on the situation, that's why sometimes I find the treatment of OLED being the high end and LCD being the budget/mid range a little triggering. For how people typically use their monitor aka a combination of gaming + work + browsing + video / movies etc, OLED is simply not better than LCD in every perceivable way so I don't think it's right to automatically rank a monitor higher than another just based on the panel tech. A properly built and tuned LCD can compete with OLED on equal grounds for how a monitor is typically used from an overall sense.
Did you not see the stats for cumulative deviation? No monitor comes close to OLED when it comes to overshoot/actual refresh rate.
I'd simply use two monitors, one cheap as hell for office work and browsing, and an OLED for movies/games.
Have you seen the TCL 27R83U monitor? 27 inch 4k VA with 1152 dimming zones and a flat panel. On paper it sounds really good but I cannot seem to find much reviews.
PC monitors need eARC for sound bars and AV receivers. Please consider adding that to your feature checklist. 🙂
also I just bought this monitor last month (november) with firmware version of V1.0.12, still there's red tint issue but there's a work round in regards with red tint issue, but it's more cheaper than the AOC Mini LED (in the PH).
I'd love a video showing the demonstrated visual differences between monitor types in terms of dark-level smearing, overshoot, etc. Half of these terms I have no idea what they mean on a day-to-day practical level.
Considering this monitor costs $200 over regular ones just for the HDR, these HDR problems are unacceptable. Too much money for buggy frustrating features.
In my country, .the xiaomi is around 70 usd cheaper than the AOC q27g3xmn making it a better value I think.
Where do you live?
@@geeknime1284 I'm in Poland and it's $50 difference (1350PLN for Xiaomi and 1550PLN for AOC).
In my country I can find Xiaomi for ~$280 and AOC XMN one is $500.
@@xpr0_the UK is similar, I got this for £225 and the AOC one always seems to be around £280 from the retailers who stock it
Nice review,,,and what would be better option to buy close to this price range, please???
Damn, I thought that t-shirt cube was a superimposed graphic
Heck yeah review!
Hey, I've just wanted to clarify about "Red tint" problem that you've encountered with this monitor.
This is a long-lasting bug in this monitor's firmware. It can be eliminated by enabling and disabling "power saving mode" in this monitor's setting.
So in order to properly use this monitor and NOT encounter that bug you should:
1. Enable sRGB mode and get red-ish picture;
2. Go to Picture Mode menu;
3. Go to "Select Mode" and choose "Energy saver";
4. Go back to the same menu and choose "Standard" again.
Voila! Red tint is gone!
Xiaomi cannot fix this bug and it was a nuisance for many owners of this monitors, although some people say they don't encounter it with their monitors.
Weird.
Other people are saying this "fix" reverts every time you swap settings, so I hope purchasers counting on this to work aren't swapping between SDR and HDR often.
@@benjaminoechsli1941 On my monitor (Redmi for Chinese market, firmware ver. 1.0.19) red tint bug doesn't appear if switching from HDR to SDR, or it is so insignificant I don't even notice it. It only appears if I change gamut settings (from native to DCI-P3 or sRGB, let's say).
I edit photos maybe once a month (I use DCI-P3 mode for that instead of Native), so doing 10 second fix doesn't bother me. I'd rather do this than pay $500 for another miniLED monitor like that AOC mentioned in this video.
No, this is not a bug fix, your fully calibrated mode is reset and the white point flies off to who knows where
@@ПавелОлюшин-к3ж it is still better than most monitors are calibrated. Moreover, most monitors in that price range don't even have calibrated gamuts. And most certainly not factory calibrated. And calibrated mode is not reset, you clearly see difference between native mode and SRGB after fix.
We really need a good review of the Innocn 34" with 2300 dimming zones.
The same issues with Miniled monitors.
Great technology, great hardware package
Bad OSD options that make it half as good as it could be, with flaws that aren't fixable.
Haven't you already reviewed it? I swear, i remember watching this video.
Different brand probably
time to review MSI MAG 274QRF QD E2
Why no body test response times in HDR... Specially when you can not tweak Overdrive on HDR mode... Or the Overdrive works differently on HDR.
Got for £220 in the UK ($278). AOC seemingly never available in the UK so doesn't have that as a comparison
Just bought G27Qi, crossing my fingers.
I have had the AOC Q27g3xmn for almost a year now and HDR tuning has been a pain in the ass. It doesnt do source tone mapping from the OSD so windows 11 looks washed out and red-tinted, which cannot be fixed in the OSD. Even after using the windows store HDR calibration app, it HDR in general becomes a hit/miss depending on the game. Auto-HDR ironically enough, looks better with some of the games that support it.
I tried HDR on the PS5 through the HDMI port and it looked completely washed out. This was further frustrated by the fact that enabling HDR on the monitor, it blocks almost every other option in the OSD. Unlike PC, consoles can't control monitor color tuning manually with GPU software like nvidia control panel.
For a budget panel, the AOC Q27g3xmn did have more pros than cons but it was an absolute pain to set up and I would have paid an extra $20 - 30 if I could get some bloody firmware updates.
"Have to manually change the setting every time"... And into the trash it goes.
Though Apple users won’t mind since they can switch the display’s HDR to always on or always off only.
Be careful with this monitor ! I ordered 2 of them, both were with stuck/dead pixels. Today will come 3d one, will see. If no luck again, I will order aoc, probably. In my country, it's ~$310 for this monitor, AOC Q27G3XMN is ~$340.
As for firmware, it's not fixed. One monitor was 10.24, the newest firmware - same reddish dp3/srgb modes, but in native it's fine.
Can you review the AOC CQ27G4X monitor? Its their 4th generation budget VA panel and a ton of people like me are interested if its any good.
Cool an Australian UA-cam channel reviewing tech that we can't even purchase in Australia Bravo 👏👏
The current selection of monitors is quite poor, as it is divided strictly between gaming monitors and productivity monitors. This division ignores the fact that many gamers also have day jobs, and many professionals enjoy gaming at night. As a result, users are forced to choose between the two options, missing out on the best of both worlds for work and play.
It's $50 cheaper here in the Philippines compared to the AOC Q27G3XMN, would you say that the AOC one is massively better from this?
@regoragorrab7713 nah, g27i is only 7k pesos and 1/3 the price of the AOC one. Stop replying if you don't know what you're talking about, G Pro 27i is available here for 20k pesos compared to AOC at 22k pesos
@@popop143 i see..my bad..
@@popop143 i see..my bad
Go for the AOC, this Xiaomi has some mejor bugs and it is not worth the chance. AOC is solid, had both of them side to side and the AOC wins even if we leave the Xiami's bug to the side.
Despite it being a VA panel, the grainy picture when grays transitioned to brighter colors, and the vertical lines in yellow and orange were so annoying that I returned it and waiting for the Xiaomi.
@Raizazel
Hate these mini LED's not being available in Australia. Can you recommend any in Australia worth checking out that isn't crazy expensive?
If it’s to good to be true, than it is! Just save up for OLED boys. That input lag in HDR is disguising, the whole point to this monitor is HDR, otherwise we could just buy a cheap ips that doesn’t have this input lag problem. Once you go OLED there is no going back, image is so clear, hdr so perfect with no halo, input lag so small. Also ICC profiles behind a paywall is pathetic Tim. Other reviewers actually mention this and laugh.
With 1440p 240Hz OLED dropping to 399 on sale recently, something like this doesn't make a ton of sense
Thank you
Can you review the Koorui gn 10? it is another 2k, Va, 240hz, mini led monitor. Also cost 250-300$
I have that monitor but moved on to better things like Koorui 27e3qk(2nd monitor) and now G60SD (Main)
The response time is garbage. With overdrives(s), the smearing is vomit inducing for me. Also coil whine at the back of the monitor particularly top right when using testufo and playing games(gpu has a lower pitch whine, actually placed my ear next to sources)
Blooming with fald on, sucks besides watching content (seems like 384 zones?)
I like the colors altho I am not an aficionado on those things
@@AfterDark62 there is basically no review on response time on that monitor so i wanted to see the real numbers for it. I looked at the other monitor you got but one is standard ips and the other is oled so i don't think there can be any comparison between those. OLed obsiously is best but i don't feel like taking the risk for a potential burn in so i wanted a miniled option. So far the 3 options were the koorui gn 10, the aoc and the xiaomi of the video. I was leaning for the koorui for the 240hz since i already have a 240hz tn panel don't want to feel like going backwards.
It's absolutely awful. I sent it back within a few days
@@hydrus5252 Coming from a Tn, you'll probably perceive the slower response time. Also, my gn10 has flickering issues with vrr (NVCP says not validated but still there :)).
GN10's coating is better than my koorui tho
Maybe check Koorui 27E3QK or ViewSonic VX2758A-2K-PRO-3(check MOBHouse or other youtuber)
VAs are just slow except if its from samsung. If you want contrast so bad get VA, else IPS all the way.
Or oled XD
It's sad that SDR is messed up. I wonder if the InnoCN MiniLED are any better.
That or just get the AOC one as my 2nd monitor for editing and coding next to my OLED. They are the same price here anyways.
Thanks for this review I was curious how xiaomi monitors fared, I have one of their cellphones and I do like it.
But can you please ask all monitor makers, why are they putting the buttons, on so hard to reach places?
Decades ago monitor buttons, were in the front of the monitor, sometimes behind a small trap door, and that makes absolute sense to me, is so the user can easily reach them, while looking directly at the screen and controls.
Now is nothing like that and is so inconvenient! Is impossible to look at the screen and the buttons at the same time, making you mis-click often, is like being a blind person trying to read braille.
Some monitor makers, even fail to put all monitor firmware options on their software, so you can't change the exact same settings in the OS tools and even if they do, sometimes their software is so bloated, buggy and slow that you don't want to install it, so you are forced to deal with hard to reach monitor buttons...
So please ask monitor makers, why are they making life hard for users?
I've been looking to get it for a while, but there where no comprehensive review of it.
AOC G27G3XMN costs 500 euro in greece while this costs 370, would you recommend it in this price difference?
can you review the MSI - MAG 255XF 24".
for a 160$ monitor, 300hz and rapid ips is a pretty good budget monitor for 1080p
it states 0.5ms gtg aswell which i have no clue if its true
it is 250 nits, its garbage, get a vg259qm instead
@double4iampoor I don't care about anything else but refresh rate, response time, and motion clarity, and price.
What's the backlight PWM duty cycle? Frequency isn't enough.
Will you do a review for the Philips Evnia 32M2N6800M?
so what would be next step up for hdr and overal quality, only oleds?
At the moment yes, OLED beat everything, although premium Mini LED can get really close.
However, QDEL are currently in the functional concept stage, and in theory they beat OLEDs in every way: still per pixel light control with perfect blacks, fast response times, great brightness and accuracy, much lower burn in risk, lower production costs. Maybe in a few years we will see them available on the market.
@@rapscallionsith8152 oled is at least 2x the price, and using same rig/monitor for both work and fun - gonna age badly :/
Just saying, I'd never see any issues or question with either channel using stuff sent to you because those imports fees, oof.
is it cheaper to fly to the us or china to test things than to import to australia?
What to buy? I have sick eyes, please help!!!
Spilled oil in one eye, laser surgery in the other.
Flickering, shiny screen is tears, a lot of dots in the eye.
It broke my Eizo EV2436W. Tried AOC mini-led, at a friend's lg oled. LG as set darkest is acceptable. Acer x27U and AOC Agon AG27 cheapest in our country. I use only sites, youtube and rarely dark games, for example resident. I have: i7 9700, 6750xt, 2x8GB. Is there a chance to get anything but Eizo from Papper. Dark monitor without flicker ideal.
so 1000+ zone MiniLED got to the 250$ price point before OLED? oh i cant wait for next year when this becomes the norm then
Good luck with the warranty.
Wonder if your unit was just meh OR the 07 firmware.
Got the 06 myself and enabling local dimming cranks brightness or lets say highlights up rather than down with 100% white window up to 1500 nits.
But still, for that price the specs are criminal.
I’m enjoying my LG ultragear 1440p OLED thanks to your review.
Which model are you having? LG 27GS95QE or?
I'm enjoying on GP850 😎
What is the newest firmware and how can I know the firmware when buying?
Is there blooming or shadow when LC is low on mouse cursor?
If we find a firmware version that can change srgb color in HDR does it change the conclusion for this monitor?
Haven't fully watched the video, but chinese reviewers are saying SDR perfomance is pretty meh
if the AOC and Xiaomi are the same price, which one should I pick?
I just want a fucking monitor that runs and looks good. I dont want to have to turn on 5 different gimmics and then constantly fucking adjust them or turn them off over and over again. I dont give a shit about the environment, so I dont want power saving bullshit. I dont want it to randomly dim and undim all the fucking time. I dont want it to decide for me to get rid of all the blue because "oh, your eyes might hurt!", I dont want to have to switch between SDR versus HDR placebos, I just want it to work and look good and not burn in or get horrible backlight bleed.
Point me to this monitor please. And dont give me any bullshit about 3-5 year warranties making OLEDs the better gamble. I shouldnt have to RMA the thing 3 times in one year, which is the worst report I have seen, MULTIPLE TIMES SO FAR FROM SEVERAL PEOPLE who bought $1000 OLEDS. Thats fucking bullshit, thats a company that KNOWS their product is fucked right from the get go, and to counter it theyre pulling a "microsoft with the red ring of death", gambling with "maybe well make MORE money than well actually lose, itll eventually even out". What should be TERRIFYING to ALL of you is, this isnt ONE company doing this, its ALL of them, meaning they ALL released a product WAY too early. That shit rarely happens, and to me is a sign of an industry falling apart either with greed, or because ultimately they know theyre done so they dont care and are trying to milk as much as humanly possible before the inevitable crash.
I returned mine, it was on 1.0.6 and the red tint was there. 1.0.8 is safe for red tint. Also I relised that mini led is not for me
Me watching from Australia after the first line 👁️👃👁️
While the performance of the monitor isn't stellar, given that I managed score it at $240 USD while on sale can't complain much shrugs...
Surprised you guys are aware of mini led as 99% of the reviews are for oled.
Why do people like 27 inch instead of 31-32?
For the past 5 years plus i only had ultrawide, 29 inch(2560x1080),34 inch(3440x1440] and now 49 inch( 5120x1440 the odyssey oled), i know not all people like ultrawide, but why not 32 inch 4k or 1440 instead of 27,is so small
the PPI for 1440p at 27 is much better than the PPI at 32. I think 4K is best at 32in also
because 32" are for 4k usage, and 4k monitors ain't cheap
Because poor pixel density.
22 Inch 1080p
27 Inch 1440p
30+ Inch 4k
Because anything bigger than 28" on a 16:9 display looks like a TV.
Well now everyone can stop yapping about the xiaomi g pro 27I right?
Right?
Wait, do I see the AOC Q27g4XMN on german news?
I wonder how many adds this monitor is going to display.
Can't understand a monitor without a USB port for firmware updates - this is just stupid.
This couldn't be an issue if this monitor were perfectly tuned but it isn't and it's obvious that a firmware update is welcome.
For me DOA just because of this.
Still waiting for a good 4k 27-28" LCD with 10k+ dimming zones. This monitor is a step in a good direction but we are not there yet.
The KTC M27T20 is still missing in the budget mini LED monitor list on this channel.
i got that one, but its just another version of the coolermaster gp2711
KTC is the OEM manufacturer for coolermaster. so it doesnt make sense to list the effectively exact same monitor twice.
edit:
although it would be nice if its somehow possible to list both in the same line or sth
it's only $275 here in indonesia
Had this monitor had to send back had way to many issues even for the cost.
Has anyone ever plugged headphones into their monitor? Im really curious. I always see the headphone connectors and wonder why anyone would do that. Same with all the USB slots always
It has no speakers, so I plug my speakers in the headphone jack. Usb can be used as hub or for firmware update, very important since this monitor has bugs that needs to be fixed but can not be fixed without the possibility to update it.
Thanks Man. I commented for straight 10 days for you to review this Monitor. Thx for listening....... so..... (Day 11: finally got him to review this monitor. Mission success)
can we get the ICC profile please :(
Using IPS makes no sense for HDR-capable displays.
I`v purchased this monitor a month ago and had to sell it because its contrast and brightness in real world usage is terrible + local dimming artifacts make it not any better than good VA monitor with native 3000:1 contrast ratio
Another example of great hardware being ruined by poor tuning and software.
Have an old mi curve 34 was a good monitor but qled shits on it
Thnx for the Test, im unhappy, that the Monitor not beat the AOC, on the other Hand im happy, because for the missing Review, i yesterday bought a M28U and im shocked if the G27i pro would be an HDR Rival to OLED for a reasonable Price without the Burn-in Issue.
finally