I have had AZ Cardinal season seats since 1996. When the move to new spot I had an early choice resulting 4 seats on the 45 15 rows up lower level...Still have them but since Cards management is so inept and my seats have gone up 40% over the past three seasons I no longer go to games...I sell them...I won't give up my seats, they are prime, so this is my way to make some cash....Screw the NFL.
I hate to be "that guy", but Buffalo and Erie County kind of did it to themselves with their voting habits. They vote people like Cuomo, Hochul, and Poloncarz in, watch themselves get screwed time and time again, and STILL go to the polls and re-elect them.
You know what, NY residents are PISSED OFF that you took our tax dollars for this nonsense. If you can afford an NFL franchise, you can build yourself a stadium.
I do not appreciate the BILLS entertaining any thoughts that create problems for their season ticket holders. After reading the post the last people being considered here are their fans. You need to be quite wealthy to continue to entertain season tickets, or at least consider a second job.
@@ricogarion as a long time Bills fan, I've felt that the franchise is going downhill lately. They used to be that fun, feel good, hometown team. But they've really lost their way. They've gotten too big for their own good, and the owners are completely exploiting the fact that it's such a die-hard fan base with a high demand for tickets. The owners' mentality is clear: "you don't like the licensing fees and jacked up prices for tickets at the new stadium? Tough shit, watch the game from home then. They're plenty of other fans with more money than you who are willing to pay whatever price we set, because everyone in Western NY is obsessed with this team." It's dumb. It's BS. And the owners claim that “every dollar that goes into the stadium (from the taxpayers) will be paid back (into the community)." I don't believe that for a second. We all know it's just a cash grab. And the real reason they didn't move to another city is clear: they knew that staying in New York would actually be their best opportunity to milk the public for every last dollar. Both from tax funding, and from subsequent years of price gouging commercial ticket sales. And sadly, the people in Western NY are so boring that they have nothing better to do than to spend every last dollar just watch this team choke year after year. And honestly, for what? They'll probably mismanage and blunder Josh Allen's whole career without ever getting him a balanced enough roster to make it to a Super Bowl. Meanwhile selling the fans and getting them to buy into the massive hype year after year, for a Super Bowl, that is never coming . . .
The Patriots paid for their own stadium TWICE. The first one, Foxboro Stadium, cost only $7 million. The tickets were cheap and every seat had an excellent view of the field.
The Stadium that the Dolphins play in has never had any public funding. The original owner Joe Robbie built it himself in 1987 for $115 million. The team and the privately built stadium was sold to Wayne Huizenga (the founder of blockbuster and Autonation) Then they were sold again to Stephen Ross and he funded a $500 million renovation himself without asking for public help. So no public funding ever for the Dolphins Stadium (HardRock Stadium)
@@NHLUtahPlainBagel for the most part college football does things in favor of fans for most of its history, their stadiums have high capacity with lower prices so everybody can attend atlhough it has been getting really bad these past few years
This is because NY governor Hochul's husband is closely involved in this project. His company Delaware North will handle all of the parking and concessions. A flat Bud Light will cost you $19.
Everyone who is somebody will get to feast. Owner gets handed a new shinny stadium, a billion $ valuation added to his portfolio and the politicans get to work every shady angle. And we foot the bill every single damn time I feel so bad for all those lifelong season ticket holders who just got price gouged or priced out of the market. Crazy world
Why the hell would they spend 1.7 billion on an outdoor stadium? Good god, they get dumped with snow every year and have to beg for people to shovel snow.
If any stadium in the NFL needs a retractable roof it is Buffalo. This topic just came up in Kansas City too. Jackson County (they own Arrowhead) voters just rejected the Chiefs' plan to upgrade grounds. People I spoke with who live there said one of the main reasons for the rejection was the Chiefs want to keep the stadium as outdoor only which makes it harder for the stadium to attract additional events such as a Final Four, etc. The Chiefs just had a game where the temperature was -10 degrees and they expected people to come to the game.
@synister281 I am from Buffalo and I agree..For that price we couldn't had a dome..its a plain looking stadium.Also tje Bills playing in our elements have more of a disadvantage than every other team in the NFL.Bills have to play alot of games in windy freezing weather.It ruins the passing game and makes it so it has to become a running game in December and January
When Tampa built Raymond James with part of a 1/2 cent sales tax, The Bucs did the same thing to their fans. They made them buy a Personal Seat License(PSL) just for the privilege to buy that seat over the next 10 years or so. Then you got the jacked up prices for actual game tickets. So you get a free stadium from the fans and then you screw over the fans. On top of that Tampa had to build them a state of the art(at the time) practice facility. On top of that they screwed USF football(who played home games on the field) by nickel and diming them over a bigger piece of revenue for parking, food and tickets.
@@stormageddon248 I don't mind PSLs the Giants used them to build Oracle Park but they paid for that entirely without tax payer money. When they made people re up after the stadium was paid off that was little much for most people which is one of the reasons why attendance has dropped. They have lost a lot of season ticket holders that were pissed.
That’s what happens when it’s totally publicly financed. There is no accountability. The state will infuse its political ideology in the hiring-contracting, rather than getting the best bids and contracts. Everyone knows this, so prices are increased. So the fleecing of the fans and taxpayers ends up happening.
The new Billd Stadium is not totally publicly funded. 850 million of it is public money with the rest in including any cost overruns being covered by the Bills. However I personally feel the Pegula's should be paying 100% for this.
Owner probably figures that if the taxpayers are stupid enough to waste their money on a stadium. They would probably stupid enough to pay more for tickets. The rich get richer. And screw as many as they while doing so.
Some not most obviously, there's 1.3 million people in Buffalo ans another million+ just over the border to Canada. Some people left but many do love it there.
The beer might cost less when we get a new company taking over the food and beverage business. Delaware North is gone at the new stadium. It’s going to be Legions company then.
Not only Buffalo fans should be pissed off at high prices of tickets and food, but all fans of NFL, MLB and NBA and others, should be pissed off for paying the players millions of dollars to play a few minutes and then making the fans pay for it. They should have a National freeze protest from attending the games until the teams bring down the salaries to a reasonable level and therefore lower the prices of tickets and food to a reasonable price. How about laying a mass lawsuit against these teams and sports associations?
I just watch the replay highlights of the games on the Internet. 100% FREE No Time, No Traffic or Gas, No Ticket, and Food/Drinks from the cheapest stores.
Wait till the A’s get to Vegas . All the idiots who think it’s a good idea won’t even be able to afford to go to a game to see the worst run team in professional sports
Not only that, the new location of the stadium is right off the strip, and trying to access the stadium for games with all of that congestion will be an ultra nightmare.
@@edwil111 I live in Nevada also and the it’s a done deal even though I’m hoping it falls apart .Politicians have already been paid off via “Donations “ and illegally passed SB1 .The lower court kicked out the Schools over stadiums bill and it sits with the Nevada Supreme Court. The court is slow waking it and even if they allow the funding initiative to go through SOS only will have one money to gather 100,000 signatures although not impossible but it will be hard ..KLAS 8 Las Vegas took a poll and 52 % of registered voters said they would vote against funding the stadium with public funds and only 32% were in favor with 16% with no opinion ..If Fisher can get outside funding then nothing can stop this .And personally I don’t care if they come just don’t use public money to build a stadium a billionaire can pay for himself ..I also think they will be a complete failure after the thrill of a new venue gets a couple of years old ..The A’s couldn’t even sell out Las Vegas ballpark when they played the Brewers in spring training , how the hell will they sell out 30,000-35,000 81 games a year for 30 years ..Like the Raiders ticket prices will be the highest in the league to see a triple A team .
Buffalo will experience something similar to the Winnipeg Jets. In a relatively smaller city for pro sports, a rabid fan following alone won't save them when PSL's can cost 400K. That requires a large corporate backing. In the good ol' days, it was all about just selling tickets. Nowadays, it's all about selling premium tickets.
They are following the F1 model and want every game in every city to be treated as the Super Bowl in terms of "fan experience" which translates into paying big money to see a game, park, and buy food and beverages.
What right did the governor have to use taxpayers money to build a stadium for a team that is owned be billionaires not a peep from any of our elected officials
As a lifelong patriots fan of 40 plus year's, i feel for the bills fans, this is insane, hey owners of the bills, build your own damn stadium, stop asking for handouts from tax payers, of buffalo. FFS your billionaires, you own the team, my team sucks right now, and they just increased prices. I'll sit at home and watch games from now on. Bills fans should do the same, let's see how Quick, they change their tune to prices if people just sat home and watched on tv.
Should of had a dome! Fools say we still need the weather and the cold in there...... fools! To keep the Bills we needed a new stadium.....now to keep the stadium everyone needs to pony up the dough..... I hate it but what in the world did you think was gonna happen!
Have fun with that, Bills fans. Having season tickets in Oakland for 25 years, i knew even if they had built a new stadium in Oakland, i would have been priced out. Even in Vegas, as i understand it, its almost all 3rd party sales for individual games. The days of regular Joe's like me owning season tickets are long gone.
The Buffalo bills are slapping their long time fans in the face, from my understanding they have thrown out seniority there are some fans who have had tickets in there family from the beginning in the old war memorial stadium. Also the fact they are pricing the average fan out of being able to afford the license fee and then the actual ticket. It’s totally ridiculous.
This new stadium does not float my boat. It’s just crossed the highway from the old one and no Dome how many times they have to go to Detroit to play a game. They should’ve build it in Niagara Falls make it easy for the Canadiens to come over. Bring that money.
Also a West Coast fan. Believe it or not, real A’s fans still love the Coliseum to watch a baseball game. Even Candlestick was nice on a nice weather day game. I don’t go to stadiums to eat gourmet food and do whatever people do in these fancy stadiums. We watch our A’s, bang drums and cheer. You know like, baseball.
that's the thing tho. Teams care more about catering to the rich people who don't give a rat's behind about the team. You know, the people who''ll go to the stadium on corporate purchased tickets, not to watch the product on the field (they often know nothing about the game or the team), but to brag about who they just fleeced out of their retirement money in some financial scheme. Teams have forgotten about their solid fan base, the one who follow the team and the game itself, who still care about both. They care more about the short-term morons who'll bring them a quick buck, not about the fan who'll bring them solid income for years, and generations. I am not an A's fan, but I know exactly what you're talking about. The A's have a very unique, passionate fan base that i haven't seen any other team have. But the owners don't care about us common folk. Maybe one day, people will see this and stop supporting the teams, by not going to ballgames or shelling out ridiculous money on jerseys or concessions. If enough of us stop supporting them, the richie rich alone can't provide them with what they'll need to survive.
@@jdspreest thank you for understanding the situation perfectly. I even have friend who is a transplant New York Yankees fans and and similar KC fan who enjoyed games at the the Coliseum
There is no need for these new stadiums I have been a ny giant fan since 1956 the greatest games played were on grass in the rain snow and mud in Yankee stadium. The old giant stadium was perfect for football despite the turf there was no need to tear it down I went to the new stadium once and never went back the seats were so far away from the field the players looked like ants the stadium looks more like a shopping mall not a football stadium
Buffalo NY is following-suit like Toronto of the late 80s, including public funding in building these ridiculous monoliths to capitalize on beloved Sports franchises. Keep in-mind Skydome cost the Toronto tax payer over $600 million to build in 1989 dollars. It was sold less than 12 years later for a little over $30 million CDN to a European brewery company. Skydome/Rogers Centre remains a white elephant that cannot pay for itself.
Buffalo native and lifelong Bills fan here: if a town our size wants to keep the team, we have to live with taking the hit. Our club level seats are $20,000 apiece over close to three years. We either live with it or lose the team. Personally we chose to take the hit.
Unfortunately you are right. If buffalo fans dont do what the owners want the owners will most likely just relocate the team to a bigger richer city that is willing to do what they want.
@lazcoroner1483 The article says 26k per season. 400k includes PSL, and it sounds like from the article, the total includes 3 years. Because it's a minimum commitment of 3 years. I'm still not a fan of click baits. His stuff is good enough not to do it.
The old stadium needs to become a national historic landmark just like the stadium built before it which was only partially demolished. The NFL needs to take historic preservation much more seriously as new stadiums save for Levi Stadium don't use the old structural and architectural designs anymore.
Umm if I was living in western New York state and I could afford that price I would be using that money to move very far away from Buffalo to a much nicer sunnier warmer area and I could catch the Bills on the TV
The fact that they're surprised is hilarious! This stadium is being built to make the team more money for the exact same product and the way to do that is with raising ticket prices and the dreaded "seat license". WWE is a more believable sport than the NFL, NBA and MLB.
Now every football and other sports teams fans get why the we Raider fans were so pissed off no you all gonna see the price we as fans pay for a new stadium fucking BS
You have some inaccurate information on here. The public portion is locked, the team pays for any overruns. The states portion is locked at $600M, Erie County at $250M, the bills portion with the projected overruns could be a little over $1B. That’s probably why the owners are looking into selling 25% of the team.
I stopped watching years ago, as I felt the game is rigged. Remember the playoff game when the Rams defender tackled the receiver of the Saints before the ball got to him, right in front of the official, and wasn't called.. So obvious.
You're a fool if you spend that much money for football tickets. Watch the game on TV. Or just boycott sports teams for scamming you into paying for their stadium then jacking up the prices to absurd levels. It might be tough to walk away from sports at first but you will realize how much time and money you free up for other things in life. After a while you might not even miss sports.
So the public already funds a new stadium with their tax dollars and the owners want to charge a king randsom for season tickets. How is any of this legal? There has to come a point where the federal government steps with these publicly tax funded venues and regulate what owners can charge for seats.
It’s only partially funded by the public. 600 million from the state and 200 million from the county. Also from the tax’s acquired by the stadium it will be payed back within 8-12 years then they are making money yearly after that.
Sometimes old stadiums just work. Esp if you want an authentic football experience. I think I saw more of a Rams turnout at the coliseum than at SoFi. And speaking of the bills. Their new stadium doesn't look at that different from their current stadium.
You could fill a stadium with what Depressed Ginger doesn't know. Show me when the Royals and Chiefs schedule simultaneous home games, much less that's the reason for how much parking is at theTruman Sports Complex.
Sports fans r like sheep they get screwed by teams they follow yet instead of boycotting the games they file in the stadiums instead of telling the owners keep their seats and overpriced tickets. Let the owners look at the empty seats and lost revenue maybe they will get the hint that that without the fans they they have nothing if the fans only stuck together and stayed away for one year maybe some common sense will takeover I won’t hold my breath though
And they still don’t have a Dome?!! How many times each winter will they need to move their games to some other city due to unplayable conditions🌨☃️❄️. Morons🤷♂️🤦♂️
put a dome on it. look at all the crap the team went through with the heavy snow. i will never go to a bills game again. why? waste of a day. once is enough buffalo economy can't afford, ticket prices like this so what happens bills go to toronto and now new stadium will sit there. down with pro sports high school flag FB is where its at...
You guys agreed to it, don’t complain. I mean, what did you expect you paid for the stadium and now the owners are sticking it to you again, playing on your loyalty and love for your team, it ain’t worth it.
Aren't they basically the Toronto Bills of Buffalo by now? Maybe the taxpayers of Ontario should foot the bill. Or better yet - stop me if you've heard this before - the team owner should pay for his own damn stadium!
Wth are you rambling about? Why are they "basically the Toronto Bills by now"? What does Buffalo have to do with Toronto other than being 1.5 hrs away?
They should be more pissed off about the lack of a roof and continuing their tradition of losing 2 home games a year to the weather lol. To be fair, I heard every seat was going to be detachable so they could be used as a shovel.
Big huge difference between Buffalo's new stadium and SoFi - SoFi was NOT publically funded. It is part of the reason L.A. went so long without a pro football team, as L.A. refused to spend any public money. Also, no chance of freezing to death in L.A. You know season tickets will be jacked up, and I bet the Bills will be sorry they did not go for the dome. The last football game I saw was early October 2010 at the Superdome - Saints vs. Panthers
Hey depressed ginger, I’ve got a story that you might be interested in. It involves the arena football league and it’s new season already turning into a disaster. There was a team called the Louisiana voodoo that was supposed to play in my hometown of Lake Charles Louisiana, they announced that the team would play all of their home games at the Lake Charles event center. Then they announced about a month ago that the team would play half of their home games 45 minutes away at a rodeo arena that’s connected to a Native American owned Casino on sovereign land. Then out of nowhere last night they announce that the team would be relocating to Lafayette, Louisiana and play at the University of Lafayette’s old basketball Arena called the Blackham Colosseum. Apparently, the reason behind the out of nowhere relocation, keep in mind the season kicks off next weekend. The AFL never paid any sort of rent to the Lake Charles event Center. They were storing all of the team Equipment at a high school 30 minutes away. It’s an insane story that a lot of people should be talking about right now considering the fact that the arena football league is making a return and it’s already looking like a disaster.
Not just any suite those are MT club tickets. Currently 30K per seat per season and you have to commit to 3 season to get them. You will rarely find these seats available. They come with everything. You get the huge glass windows, padded seats, separate toilets, Premium parking, Private entry to the stadium, All inclusive buffet/pop/beer/wine/spirits. You don't even have to your fat butt out of the seat they have a seat service. From the sounds of things this guy got them when they were cheaper a few years ago and sat on them not realizing how much they cost now.
The idea with these luxury suites is that your company is paying for it so you can bring customers and the whole thing is tax deductible. You are not paying for it. Your gullible shareholders and Uncle Sam are subsidizing your enjoyment.
@@mrg8581 agreed, I would never pay it out of principle even if I was a multi millionaire, but they’re pretty standard these days so it’s not an issue specific to the Bills.
REMEMBER FANBOYS…. It’s just ENTERTAINMENT, that’s all…. Time to FIND OTHER THINGS TO DO ON SUNDAYS…. It’s ALL ABOUT THE MONEY AND YOU’RE FOOLISH TO PAY THOSE PRICES JUST TO WATCH A GAME A GAME THATS RIGGED…. Boycott the NFL AND ALL THEIR. GREED …..
Just remember this, folks. There is only ONE NFL football 🏈 team that plays in New York. The Buffalo Bills 🦬. MAJOR ERROR: The Borough of East Rutherford, Bergen County, New Jersey, is NOT LOCATED IN NEW YORK. It is PHYSICALLY LOCATED in the State of New Jersey (7 miles west of New York City/Manhattan). 😡😡😡😡😡
Again, the parking at the Truman Sports Complex was planned under the assumption that the Royals and Chiefs would never play games at the same time (and in 50 years they never have). It would be like worrying that the Steelers and Pirates would play at old Three Rivers Stadium at the same time. Schedule makers are smarter than that.
Goin to watch NFL live in person is a complete joke. Watching any pro sports in person is a complete joke. Thank goodness for television. It’s free and good for watching in the comfort of your own home
This might be cold blood but…… if you can’t afford it, your city has no business having a team. I’m just gonna put this entire project in the category of “the cost of doing business”. You’re complaining about the price of club level season tickets when you know the average of modern NFL stadium is $1.5 billion? If you can’t handle it….. San Diego Portland, Salt Lake City, Austin San Antonio st. Louis even OKC will take your team
The state is giving 600 million the county is giving 250 million the begoolas are responsible for what now is going to cost about $2 billion so they're on the hook for 1.2 billion and the state owns the stadium not the pagullas if I were them I would sell the 25% steak in the team and tell the state to go fuck itself by the stadium pay the state back and then have the team be worth 5 billion instead of 3.7 personally the bagulas are paying more than the state and more than 50% of the stadium they're going to be paying about $1.2 billion compared to the state's 800 million combined with the county so it's not publicly funded it's actually less than half probably funded and the bagulas have zero ownership of the stadium zero that means that they sell the team the stadium doesn't come as a package deal so stop complaining plus the pegulas are responsible for any renovations in the future and overruns and costs which already are estimated to be about $600 to $800 million right now by the time it's finished at this point the stadium is at 1.7 billion it was 1.4 so that's $300 million since they broke ground in March
LOL. Anyone who pays more than $25 a seat in 2024 to see any sporting event is kind of dumb to begin with. This has to be a typo as $400,000 should buy you a good permanent slice of the team ownership stock.
I have had AZ Cardinal season seats since 1996. When the move to new spot I had an early choice resulting 4 seats on the 45 15 rows up lower level...Still have them but since Cards management is so inept and my seats have gone up 40% over the past three seasons I no longer go to games...I sell them...I won't give up my seats, they are prime, so this is my way to make some cash....Screw the NFL.
Cardinals football ain't worth it. They're just as inept as the Arizona Coyotes as far as never winning a championship.
NY state politicians doing what they do worst.
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I hate to be "that guy", but Buffalo and Erie County kind of did it to themselves with their voting habits.
They vote people like Cuomo, Hochul, and Poloncarz in, watch themselves get screwed time and time again, and STILL go to the polls and re-elect them.
Seems certain that the NY governor will have a free luxury suite at that stadium. No mystery of who’s paying for it.
Same thing happened in Texas a red state lol stop pretending this is a blue issue. Billionaires wanting free shit is a nation wide issue
Don’t blame politicians, blame those who elect them
You know what, NY residents are PISSED OFF that you took our tax dollars for this nonsense. If you can afford an NFL franchise, you can build yourself a stadium.
I do not appreciate the BILLS entertaining any thoughts that create problems for their season ticket holders. After reading the post the last people being considered here are their fans. You need to be quite wealthy to continue to entertain season tickets, or at least consider a second job.
@@ricogarion as a long time Bills fan, I've felt that the franchise is going downhill lately. They used to be that fun, feel good, hometown team. But they've really lost their way. They've gotten too big for their own good, and the owners are completely exploiting the fact that it's such a die-hard fan base with a high demand for tickets. The owners' mentality is clear: "you don't like the licensing fees and jacked up prices for tickets at the new stadium? Tough shit, watch the game from home then. They're plenty of other fans with more money than you who are willing to pay whatever price we set, because everyone in Western NY is obsessed with this team."
It's dumb. It's BS. And the owners claim that “every dollar that goes into the stadium (from the taxpayers) will be paid back (into the community)." I don't believe that for a second. We all know it's just a cash grab. And the real reason they didn't move to another city is clear: they knew that staying in New York would actually be their best opportunity to milk the public for every last dollar. Both from tax funding, and from subsequent years of price gouging commercial ticket sales. And sadly, the people in Western NY are so boring that they have nothing better to do than to spend every last dollar just watch this team choke year after year. And honestly, for what? They'll probably mismanage and blunder Josh Allen's whole career without ever getting him a balanced enough roster to make it to a Super Bowl. Meanwhile selling the fans and getting them to buy into the massive hype year after year, for a Super Bowl, that is never coming . . .
@@AntonioFerrari8 don't forget, governor Hitler doesn't want them moving. Doesn't Mr Hitler still own the concessions?
@@AntonioFerrari8 FYI WNY here (barely). Lifetime Steelers fan
This is why the public shouldn't fund stadiums. In Nashville the same thing is likely going to happen.
The Patriots paid for their own stadium TWICE. The first one, Foxboro Stadium, cost only $7 million. The tickets were cheap and every seat had an excellent view of the field.
@davidlafleche1142 that's because the Patriots were a local team that was average back then
Once it's publicly funded, just add a zero to the end of the price.
They assume every person is a fan, that's wrong. Many people, including me, don't give 2 💩's about pro sports.
The Stadium that the Dolphins play in has never had any public funding. The original owner Joe Robbie built it himself in 1987 for $115 million. The team and the privately built stadium was sold to Wayne Huizenga (the founder of blockbuster and Autonation) Then they were sold again to Stephen Ross and he funded a $500 million renovation himself without asking for public help. So no public funding ever for the Dolphins Stadium (HardRock Stadium)
It's 2024. Every SPORTS EVENT IS A BUSINESS. They don't give a shit about fans
besides college football
That’s why I don’t go to sporting events with the exception of high school sports.
@pacevoez1929 Sorry. College football is a business. Just with younger crowds
@@NHLUtahPlainBagel for the most part college football does things in favor of fans for most of its history, their stadiums have high capacity with lower prices so everybody can attend atlhough it has been getting really bad these past few years
Not to mention NFL continues to push social justice nonsense, including black anthem before games.
NY politicians giving away tax dollars, whether for billionaires in Buffalo or illegals in NYC, is par for the course.
Keep in mind that NY Governor Kathy Hochul is a Buffalo native. This deal was always going to happen with her in charge - residents be damned.
She's from Hamburg
East Rutherford is in new jersey
NY/NJ same shit 😂
he says a lot of weird stuff in this lol, loved when hes like i think its adjacent to the new stadium which you can clearly see it is lool
@@CapnBreeze buffalo is on the other side of the state
@@CapnBreeze Same shit, different town
@@CapnBreeze New York State and The State of New Jersey are two totally different and separate entities.
This is because NY governor Hochul's husband is closely involved in this project. His company Delaware North will handle all of the parking and concessions. A flat Bud Light will cost you $19.
who lee zeldin failed 2 go afta her 4 in da onlay debate
Everyone who is somebody will get to feast. Owner gets handed a new shinny stadium, a billion $ valuation added to his portfolio and the politicans get to work every shady angle. And we foot the bill every single damn time
I feel so bad for all those lifelong season ticket holders who just got price gouged or priced out of the market. Crazy world
@@donsolos
u guyz voted 4 hochul
@@UHaulShorts who is we? I dont live in NY
@@donsolos
1st female gubna in state historay
Why the hell would they spend 1.7 billion on an outdoor stadium? Good god, they get dumped with snow every year and have to beg for people to shovel snow.
If any stadium in the NFL needs a retractable roof it is Buffalo. This topic just came up in Kansas City too. Jackson County (they own Arrowhead) voters just rejected the Chiefs' plan to upgrade grounds. People I spoke with who live there said one of the main reasons for the rejection was the Chiefs want to keep the stadium as outdoor only which makes it harder for the stadium to attract additional events such as a Final Four, etc. The Chiefs just had a game where the temperature was -10 degrees and they expected people to come to the game.
@synister281 I am from Buffalo and I agree..For that price we couldn't had a dome..its a plain looking stadium.Also tje Bills playing in our elements have more of a disadvantage than every other team in the NFL.Bills have to play alot of games in windy freezing weather.It ruins the passing game and makes it so it has to become a running game in December and January
Because a roof would cost another 700 mill to one billion. With the new design the majority of sears are covered plus it will handle winds better.
Seats
It was like 2.4 Billion
Stadiums are designed to suck money out of the city. I agree it is ridiculous to pour public money into these black holes!
Think your confused since school bonds are the biggest waste of public funding.
When Tampa built Raymond James with part of a 1/2 cent sales tax, The Bucs did the same thing to their fans. They made them buy a Personal Seat License(PSL) just for the privilege to buy that seat over the next 10 years or so. Then you got the jacked up prices for actual game tickets. So you get a free stadium from the fans and then you screw over the fans. On top of that Tampa had to build them a state of the art(at the time) practice facility. On top of that they screwed USF football(who played home games on the field) by nickel and diming them over a bigger piece of revenue for parking, food and tickets.
That’s standard bro. PSL’s are used at basically every stadium. At least every one I’ve visited.
@@stormageddon248 I don't mind PSLs the Giants used them to build Oracle Park but they paid for that entirely without tax payer money. When they made people re up after the stadium was paid off that was little much for most people which is one of the reasons why attendance has dropped. They have lost a lot of season ticket holders that were pissed.
PSL is everywhere. and its for 30 years.
That’s what happens when it’s totally publicly financed. There is no accountability. The state will infuse its political ideology in the hiring-contracting, rather than getting the best bids and contracts. Everyone knows this, so prices are increased. So the fleecing of the fans and taxpayers ends up happening.
The new Billd Stadium is not totally publicly funded. 850 million of it is public money with the rest in including any cost overruns being covered by the Bills. However I personally feel the Pegula's should be paying 100% for this.
Owner probably figures that if the taxpayers are stupid enough to waste their money on a stadium. They would probably stupid enough to pay more for tickets. The rich get richer. And screw as many as they while doing so.
Most people in Western New York who can afford that kind of money usually use it to leave New York State and move elsewhere.
Some not most obviously, there's 1.3 million people in Buffalo ans another million+ just over the border to Canada. Some people left but many do love it there.
@@steveoshei1819 can't forget the 1.2 million in the rochester area as well,and oh syracuse has a nice size metro too!!
Don't forget the 18 dollar beers.
The beer might cost less when we get a new company taking over the food and beverage business. Delaware North is gone at the new stadium. It’s going to be Legions company then.
@1yankeesrule I think you mean Legends Hospitality, the old Yankkes/Cowboys company, but we understand your point.
Will it at least be good, or nasty ass bud light?
I'm sneaking utica club in the stadium lmao
End all the sports monopolies - there will be more leagues, more teams, and with competition, cheaper tickets
Not only Buffalo fans should be pissed off at high prices of tickets and food, but all fans of NFL, MLB and NBA and others, should be pissed off for paying the players millions of dollars to play a few minutes and then making the fans pay for it. They should have a National freeze protest from attending the games until the teams bring down the salaries to a reasonable level and therefore lower the prices of tickets and food to a reasonable price. How about laying a mass lawsuit against these teams and sports associations?
To paraphrase the great philosopher Gomer Pyle:
SURPRISE
SURPRISE
SURPRISE
That's funny 😂
All this human energy targeted to watch 22 guys run around a field for 3 hours kind of pathetic.
And the worst thing is the NFL is scripted and rigged and fake as shit. It’s all kabuki theater..
For a much lamer version of Rugby too
Not to mention the cost of concessions.
I just watch the replay highlights of the games on the Internet. 100% FREE No Time, No Traffic or Gas, No Ticket, and Food/Drinks from the cheapest stores.
Plus, no frustration and disappointed, spending 3+ hours watching, only to see your team lose in the last 13 seconds.
He'll ya I do it all the time any team any game so much better
Wait till the A’s get to Vegas . All the idiots who think it’s a good idea won’t even be able to afford to go to a game to see the worst run team in professional sports
Not only that, the new location of the stadium is right off the strip, and trying to access the stadium for games with all of that congestion will be an ultra nightmare.
But the A's are putting up $1.5 billion towards their ballpark. The most ever non public money spent by any owner of a US pro team.
FYI, the A's to Vegas thing is not a sure thing. I live in Nev.
@@edwil111 I live in Nevada also and the it’s a done deal even though I’m hoping it falls apart .Politicians have already been paid off via “Donations “ and illegally passed SB1 .The lower court kicked out the Schools over stadiums bill and it sits with the Nevada Supreme Court. The court is slow waking it and even if they allow the funding initiative to go through SOS only will have one money to gather 100,000 signatures although not impossible but it will be hard ..KLAS 8 Las Vegas took a poll and 52 % of registered voters said they would vote against funding the stadium with public funds and only 32% were in favor with 16% with no opinion ..If Fisher can get outside funding then nothing can stop this .And personally I don’t care if they come just don’t use public money to build a stadium a billionaire can pay for himself ..I also think they will be a complete failure after the thrill of a new venue gets a couple of years old ..The A’s couldn’t even sell out Las Vegas ballpark when they played the Brewers in spring training , how the hell will they sell out 30,000-35,000 81 games a year for 30 years ..Like the Raiders ticket prices will be the highest in the league to see a triple A team .
@@edwil111 It will be cool though. I hope you get it. I'll see a baseball game (if I can afford it), the next time I visit Vegas if the team is there.
Buffalo will experience something similar to the Winnipeg Jets. In a relatively smaller city for pro sports, a rabid fan following alone won't save them when PSL's can cost 400K. That requires a large corporate backing. In the good ol' days, it was all about just selling tickets. Nowadays, it's all about selling premium tickets.
They are following the F1 model and want every game in every city to be treated as the Super Bowl in terms of "fan experience" which translates into paying big money to see a game, park, and buy food and beverages.
What right did the governor have to use taxpayers money to build a stadium for a team that is owned be billionaires not a peep from any of our elected officials
As a lifelong patriots fan of 40 plus year's, i feel for the bills fans, this is insane, hey owners of the bills, build your own damn stadium, stop asking for handouts from tax payers, of buffalo. FFS your billionaires, you own the team, my team sucks right now, and they just increased prices. I'll sit at home and watch games from now on. Bills fans should do the same, let's see how Quick, they change their tune to prices if people just sat home and watched on tv.
Rust Belt, lackadaisical economy, declining metropolitan area in population. Buffalo is lucky they even have a team
So what's your point??? It's good the state paid for the stadium??? The season ticket holder should shut up???
Buffalo has had the team since 1960. Its fans have been nothing short of sensational in their support of their beloved Buffalo Bills.
We have a team because we have a rabid fan base that turns out to every game, and we spend money. so. whats your point lol
It always shocks me when fans figure out their teams try to milk every last $ out of them. Loyalty always seems to work one way.
Should of had a dome! Fools say we still need the weather and the cold in there...... fools! To keep the Bills we needed a new stadium.....now to keep the stadium everyone needs to pony up the dough..... I hate it but what in the world did you think was gonna happen!
Should have been a dome for that price.
Have fun with that, Bills fans. Having season tickets in Oakland for 25 years, i knew even if they had built a new stadium in Oakland, i would have been priced out. Even in Vegas, as i understand it, its almost all 3rd party sales for individual games. The days of regular Joe's like me owning season tickets are long gone.
East Rutherford? Maybe Orchard Park.
The Buffalo bills are slapping their long time fans in the face, from my understanding they have thrown out seniority there are some fans who have had tickets in there family from the beginning in the old war memorial stadium. Also the fact they are pricing the average fan out of being able to afford the license fee and then the actual ticket. It’s totally ridiculous.
This new stadium does not float my boat. It’s just crossed the highway from the old one and no Dome how many times they have to go to Detroit to play a game. They should’ve build it in Niagara Falls make it easy for the Canadiens to come over. Bring that money.
Every $400,000.00 ticket gets a free jar of Vasoline !!! Someone needs to get off the CRACK !!!!
It’s not for the normal people it’s for the rich.
It doesn't even have a ROOF though!!!! How is it going to cost that much? INSANITY!!!!
Politicians. Im increasingly hating this country
Also a West Coast fan. Believe it or not, real A’s fans still love the Coliseum to watch a baseball game. Even Candlestick was nice on a nice weather day game. I don’t go to stadiums to eat gourmet food and do whatever people do in these fancy stadiums. We watch our A’s, bang drums and cheer. You know like, baseball.
that's the thing tho. Teams care more about catering to the rich people who don't give a rat's behind about the team. You know, the people who''ll go to the stadium on corporate purchased tickets, not to watch the product on the field (they often know nothing about the game or the team), but to brag about who they just fleeced out of their retirement money in some financial scheme. Teams have forgotten about their solid fan base, the one who follow the team and the game itself, who still care about both. They care more about the short-term morons who'll bring them a quick buck, not about the fan who'll bring them solid income for years, and generations. I am not an A's fan, but I know exactly what you're talking about. The A's have a very unique, passionate fan base that i haven't seen any other team have. But the owners don't care about us common folk. Maybe one day, people will see this and stop supporting the teams, by not going to ballgames or shelling out ridiculous money on jerseys or concessions. If enough of us stop supporting them, the richie rich alone can't provide them with what they'll need to survive.
@@jdspreest thank you for understanding the situation perfectly. I even have friend who is a transplant New York Yankees fans and and similar KC fan who enjoyed games at the the Coliseum
There is no need for these new stadiums I have been a ny giant fan since 1956 the greatest games played were on grass in the rain snow and mud in Yankee stadium. The old giant stadium was perfect for football despite the turf there was no need to tear it down I went to the new stadium once and never went back the seats were so far away from the field the players looked like ants the stadium looks more like a shopping mall not a football stadium
What I don’t get is they build a stadium with tax payer dollars then give no discounts to the tax payers some bullshit
400,000 for a suite. This is not reflective of the average seat licensce. Whoever did not see this coming is living in la la land.
Buffalo NY is following-suit like Toronto of the late 80s, including public funding in building these ridiculous monoliths to capitalize on beloved Sports franchises. Keep in-mind Skydome cost the Toronto tax payer over $600 million to build in 1989 dollars. It was sold less than 12 years later for a little over $30 million CDN to a European brewery company. Skydome/Rogers Centre remains a white elephant that cannot pay for itself.
NFL is a business. The community needs to treat is as such. We don’t fund Walmart for their building
As a Nashvillian, it's going to be increasingly hard to cheer for the Titans.
Nissan Stadium is not that old. He's acting like it's an 80 year old stadium, falling apart.
As a Tennessean and a psl holder it's going to be hard
Buffalo native and lifelong Bills fan here: if a town our size wants to keep the team, we have to live with taking the hit. Our club level seats are $20,000 apiece over close to three years. We either live with it or lose the team. Personally we chose to take the hit.
Unfortunately you are right. If buffalo fans dont do what the owners want the owners will most likely just relocate the team to a bigger richer city that is willing to do what they want.
are only buffalo residents being taxed to build this or is coming from all ny taxpayers?
@@joannmahoney9320 It is a statewide tax
Its for a luxury box. It's not a seat in the bleachers.
Do you know what it was before?
@@lazcoroner1483 It doesn't matter. Title and thumbnail is hella click bait. Suites are always expensive and always go up in an updated venue.
@@DebitAdams I was just asking.. DAMNNNNN
@@lazcoroner1483 Currently 30K (per season but you have to commit to 3 seasons so the real price 90K per seat) but none are available.
@lazcoroner1483 The article says 26k per season. 400k includes PSL, and it sounds like from the article, the total includes 3 years. Because it's a minimum commitment of 3 years. I'm still not a fan of click baits. His stuff is good enough not to do it.
The old stadium needs to become a national historic landmark just like the stadium built before it which was only partially demolished. The NFL needs to take historic preservation much more seriously as new stadiums save for Levi Stadium don't use the old structural and architectural designs anymore.
Umm if I was living in western New York state and I could afford that price I would be using that money to move very far away from Buffalo to a much nicer sunnier warmer area and I could catch the Bills on the TV
Good for you bigshot
Not a good idea to build a stadium without a roof in a cold climate.
Isn't their stadium in Orchard Park? East Rutherford is in New Jersey where the Jets and Giants play, right?
It’s under a 2-hour drive between Buffalo and Toronto. Finding buyers won’t be a problem.
The fact that they're surprised is hilarious! This stadium is being built to make the team more money for the exact same product and the way to do that is with raising ticket prices and the dreaded "seat license". WWE is a more believable sport than the NFL, NBA and MLB.
This makes me wonder how are ticket prices determined or do the owners pick a random number to charge fans with?
Now every football and other sports teams fans get why the we Raider fans were so pissed off no you all gonna see the price we as fans pay for a new stadium fucking BS
a shame cuz most of those fans have rocked with the team for years....... these owners suck and the Buffalo Economy is nothing like LA or Vegas or NYC
East Rutherford, N.J.
You have some inaccurate information on here. The public portion is locked, the team pays for any overruns. The states portion is locked at $600M, Erie County at $250M, the bills portion with the projected overruns could be a little over $1B.
That’s probably why the owners are looking into selling 25% of the team.
I stopped watching years ago, as I felt the game is rigged. Remember the playoff game when the Rams defender tackled the receiver of the Saints before the ball got to him, right in front of the official, and wasn't called.. So obvious.
Public funding is capped. The pegulas are paying for overages. Public funding is approx half the original 1.4 billion.
So you have to buy a seat in a luxury box now?! Season tickets holders can't pick a seat in the stands?!
You're a fool if you spend that much money for football tickets. Watch the game on TV. Or just boycott sports teams for scamming you into paying for their stadium then jacking up the prices to absurd levels. It might be tough to walk away from sports at first but you will realize how much time and money you free up for other things in life. After a while you might not even miss sports.
So the public already funds a new stadium with their tax dollars and the owners want to charge a king randsom for season tickets. How is any of this legal? There has to come a point where the federal government steps with these publicly tax funded venues and regulate what owners can charge for seats.
The residents voted for it! It’s 100% legal. There’s nothing to do in Buffalo, so they’re desperate to keep their NFL team.
It’s only partially funded by the public. 600 million from the state and 200 million from the county. Also from the tax’s acquired by the stadium it will be payed back within 8-12 years then they are making money yearly after that.
If a doctor told me I had a year to live I would marry a Jewish woman and move to Buffalo so it would feel like 10 years.
Sometimes old stadiums just work. Esp if you want an authentic football experience. I think I saw more of a Rams turnout at the coliseum than at SoFi. And speaking of the bills. Their new stadium doesn't look at that different from their current stadium.
The current Bills stadium is out dated and lackluster.
NGL I Hope after the Bills Final Home game at the Current Stadium, They Make QB Josh Allen do a Derek Jeter Type Announcement to the Fans.
Keep us focused on sports as our buying power and rights wither.
You could fill a stadium with what Depressed Ginger doesn't know. Show me when the Royals and Chiefs schedule simultaneous home games, much less that's the reason for how much parking is at theTruman Sports Complex.
400k? I got oceangate vibes
East Rutherford is in New Jersey, home of Met Life Stadium.
DG, its East Rutherford, NEW JERSEY! Not New York. For a guy who supposedly posts a lot about sports arenas and stadiums, you should KNOW that.
I am a Bills STH in the lower bowl, most likely moving to upper deck seats with my budget.
Save your money watch on TV
Now we know mypegulas are selling parts of ownership, they can’t afford their own tickets.
Sports fans r like sheep they get screwed by teams they follow yet instead of boycotting the games they file in the stadiums instead of telling the owners keep their seats and overpriced tickets. Let the owners look at the empty seats and lost revenue maybe they will get the hint that that without the fans they they have nothing if the fans only stuck together and stayed away for one year maybe some common sense will takeover I won’t hold my breath though
And they still don’t have a Dome?!! How many times each winter will they need to move their games to some other city due to unplayable conditions🌨☃️❄️. Morons🤷♂️🤦♂️
Bruh lol 😂
That much heavy snow would collapse the dome.
It's only happened twice in the last 60 plus years in Buffalo. I think they will be OK without a dome. SMH!
put a dome on it. look at all the crap the team went through with the heavy snow. i will never go to a bills game again. why? waste of a day. once is enough buffalo economy can't afford, ticket prices like this so what happens bills go to toronto and now new stadium will sit there. down with pro sports high school flag FB is where its at...
You guys agreed to it, don’t complain. I mean, what did you expect you paid for the stadium and now the owners are sticking it to you again, playing on your loyalty and love for your team, it ain’t worth it.
Why didn't they just build a dome?
Aren't they basically the Toronto Bills of Buffalo by now? Maybe the taxpayers of Ontario should foot the bill. Or better yet - stop me if you've heard this before - the team owner should pay for his own damn stadium!
Wth are you rambling about? Why are they "basically the Toronto Bills by now"? What does Buffalo have to do with Toronto other than being 1.5 hrs away?
The attendants were low in Toronto for the bills, so that situation failed through.
@mrbear716 They were never going to move permanently. 15 years ago they played 1 game a year.
@@steveoshei1819 Yeah I know that!
They should be more pissed off about the lack of a roof and continuing their tradition of losing 2 home games a year to the weather lol. To be fair, I heard every seat was going to be detachable so they could be used as a shovel.
You do realize they've only had to move 2 games in over 60 years? Smh
Bills are trying to act like the Leafs I see.
Big huge difference between Buffalo's new stadium and SoFi - SoFi was NOT publically funded. It is part of the reason L.A. went so long without a pro football team, as L.A. refused to spend any public money. Also, no chance of freezing to death in L.A. You know season tickets will be jacked up, and I bet the Bills will be sorry they did not go for the dome.
The last football game I saw was early October 2010 at the Superdome - Saints vs. Panthers
Is it too late to add a roof?
Welcome to New York. The whole state is overpriced because of greed. No way to have something publicly funded charging this much money.
Hey depressed ginger, I’ve got a story that you might be interested in. It involves the arena football league and it’s new season already turning into a disaster.
There was a team called the Louisiana voodoo that was supposed to play in my hometown of Lake Charles Louisiana, they announced that the team would play all of their home games at the Lake Charles event center. Then they announced about a month ago that the team would play half of their home games 45 minutes away at a rodeo arena that’s connected to a Native American owned Casino on sovereign land. Then out of nowhere last night they announce that the team would be relocating to Lafayette, Louisiana and play at the University of Lafayette’s old basketball Arena called the Blackham Colosseum.
Apparently, the reason behind the out of nowhere relocation, keep in mind the season kicks off next weekend. The AFL never paid any sort of rent to the Lake Charles event Center. They were storing all of the team
Equipment at a high school 30 minutes away. It’s an insane story that a lot of people should be talking about right now considering the fact that the arena football league is making a return and it’s already looking like a disaster.
The Hoculseum.
Just to be clear, if there's any cost overruns it'll be the owner paying for that, not the taxpayers.
I mean….it’s EIGHT seats….and they’re in a SUITE. It’s a lot of money but suites are always a ton of money.
Not just any suite those are MT club tickets. Currently 30K per seat per season and you have to commit to 3 season to get them. You will rarely find these seats available.
They come with everything. You get the huge glass windows, padded seats, separate toilets, Premium parking, Private entry to the stadium, All inclusive buffet/pop/beer/wine/spirits. You don't even have to your fat butt out of the seat they have a seat service.
From the sounds of things this guy got them when they were cheaper a few years ago and sat on them not realizing how much they cost now.
The idea with these luxury suites is that your company is paying for it so you can bring customers and the whole thing is tax deductible. You are not paying for it. Your gullible shareholders and Uncle Sam are subsidizing your enjoyment.
@@korthjw you cant deduct that anymore.....you CAN use them to take your staff there thou.
But it still having to pay 400 K just to have the right purchase suite tickets. PSL's are a Big rip-off.
@@mrg8581 agreed, I would never pay it out of principle even if I was a multi millionaire, but they’re pretty standard these days so it’s not an issue specific to the Bills.
This is Orchard Park (New York), not East Rutherford (New Jersey).
Sometimes, change is bad
What are the ticket prices like in Green Bay?
Well the Packers are still using metal bleachers xD.
REMEMBER FANBOYS….
It’s just ENTERTAINMENT, that’s all….
Time to FIND OTHER THINGS TO DO ON SUNDAYS….
It’s ALL ABOUT THE MONEY
AND YOU’RE FOOLISH TO PAY THOSE PRICES JUST TO WATCH A GAME
A GAME THATS RIGGED….
Boycott the NFL AND ALL THEIR. GREED …..
East Rutherford is in New Jersey, not New York.
Just remember this, folks. There is only ONE NFL football 🏈 team that plays in New York. The Buffalo Bills 🦬.
MAJOR ERROR: The Borough of East Rutherford, Bergen County, New Jersey, is NOT LOCATED IN NEW YORK. It is PHYSICALLY LOCATED in the State of New Jersey (7 miles west of New York City/Manhattan). 😡😡😡😡😡
Again, the parking at the Truman Sports Complex was planned under the assumption that the Royals and Chiefs would never play games at the same time (and in 50 years they never have). It would be like worrying that the Steelers and Pirates would play at old Three Rivers Stadium at the same time. Schedule makers are smarter than that.
Goin to watch NFL live in person is a complete joke. Watching any pro sports in person is a complete joke. Thank goodness for television. It’s free and good for watching in the comfort of your own home
Absurd prices makes it seem like the owners are clueless and just picked a random number for their prices.
Orchard Park, NY
This might be cold blood but…… if you can’t afford it, your city has no business having a team. I’m just gonna put this entire project in the category of “the cost of doing business”. You’re complaining about the price of club level season tickets when you know the average of modern NFL stadium is $1.5 billion? If you can’t handle it….. San Diego Portland, Salt Lake City, Austin San Antonio st. Louis even OKC will take your team
The state is giving 600 million the county is giving 250 million the begoolas are responsible for what now is going to cost about $2 billion so they're on the hook for 1.2 billion and the state owns the stadium not the pagullas if I were them I would sell the 25% steak in the team and tell the state to go fuck itself by the stadium pay the state back and then have the team be worth 5 billion instead of 3.7 personally the bagulas are paying more than the state and more than 50% of the stadium they're going to be paying about $1.2 billion compared to the state's 800 million combined with the county so it's not publicly funded it's actually less than half probably funded and the bagulas have zero ownership of the stadium zero that means that they sell the team the stadium doesn't come as a package deal so stop complaining plus the pegulas are responsible for any renovations in the future and overruns and costs which already are estimated to be about $600 to $800 million right now by the time it's finished at this point the stadium is at 1.7 billion it was 1.4 so that's $300 million since they broke ground in March
LOL. Anyone who pays more than $25 a seat in 2024 to see any sporting event is kind of dumb to begin with. This has to be a typo as $400,000 should buy you a good permanent slice of the team ownership stock.