Thank you. I think OTT is SUPER slept on. It can give you one damage, and then smash you from 1 to 6 all at once, while still having a really strong turn if they ride up to grade 3 first.
i honestly agree with your great nature point and how it works against the meta, thought with polaris and the likely leopald reverse i hope it gives a much better game overall with that support to gn cause i love the deck
Thank you solemn for becoming a connection into premium! Your content really helped me get into premium and I hope that you continue to bring amazing content for this format!
Speaking of musketeer, I was the only person in BRO AO region that run musketeer prem, got into top 32, it can somehow keep up with meta decks, but it was just really hard. I did just play it because I just love how tool boxy, musketeers can be in any situation and any Opponent. Unlike playing Ahsha Token Rush which is braindead as heck.
@@Von_Arca yeah after having fully built premium musketeers the struggle is the lack of good strides. Beyond just superior calling and then hoping you hit Martina for an extra crit. I think it needs more battle phase superior calls
I usually don't stride anymore once I can assure I have a saul on the field and a GB1 for the Elma fore runnner starter to extend my attacks, I just stick to vera, and pressure em. You also have an option to go superior stride onto Sandrine after using Virginial Cecilia to bait out the Perfect guard then distributing your Triggers evenly onto your rearguards, but yeah I do agree Neo needs good stride the fact that a Grade 3 can do better things than their strides is just bad.
@@Von_Arca I am honestly hoping Cecilia reverse can give us some good options. Especially if it has a good rear guard skill. Relying on Vera just makes me feel like I’m playing V but with a few good extras
Very insightful info on the decks in the premium format! I was wondering if there's any chance you could make a deck profile on your leopald GN deck or if you have any updates on your Isabelle Control deck?
@@seir5772 It's piece reliant and half the time it doesn't kill on first g3 ride. That's an overhype. It stops the opponent for doing anything but it doesn't kill early. You are running 6 draws and 4 crit because you are so piece reliant. It's not consistent as someone who plays it. Your constantly bricking for g1s and g2s because your running over 20 g3s. It kills slow decks but like Granblue and Dimension Police rips you apart. It kills 70% of things but you are high rolling and have no hand to guard. It works but at the same time struggles asf. I for one would like to make the list a secret before people jump the bandwagon because I hate playing meta and your just a number when everyone plays the same deck
Hey Solemn, could be a good idea to include some of the lists that did well and include them as a list under certain clans in the deck depository. Have clan as a subsection under nations, and include the different lists under that subsection, then list what event/date they're from next to it. Just not sure how much extra work that might be. Would be helpful for players to have something like an mtggoldfish equivalent for Vanguard.
Super late to this but I'm glad Kagero is up there with the top tier decks. Been meaning to get into Premium and using Kagero and I have a viable deck that I'd like to test out before entering a major event.
Hey Solemn nice video! Would it be nice to add in Pure Daikaiser, Bluish Flame, Dudley, Musketeer, Beast Deity and Raizers? Thanks. Keep doing great :)
I think people do sleep on bugs a bit. Even if we ignore the concept of countering other decks it's still a 5 attack deck with huge power swings, guard restrict and basically forces the opponent to have a g3 in hand or they lose. Thats alot more than what you can say about Link Joker
I know a messiah build is on there, but be curious on a pure messiah list and see what ideas there is! Also, I have a Neo Nectar Sephiroth core and wondering if anyone has ideas on how to make a Premium build using that core.
You should look into hanzo it has multi attack it can uss decoy token to guard eariler and mizukaze can make it so your opponent can only guard about 4 attack per turn that together with any dominate stride will guarantee a win plus hanzo can wipe fields
@@MaximeSolemn the reason i said hanzo is because in this meta it can guard early and protect itself it can actually also wipe field so against eradicators it can turn off a lot of their battle phase retire and with tasogare it can have 32 atks in the backrow giving you 4th 5th 6th or 7th attacks in nuba and the only thing keeping mizukaze bad was the fact you needed a g3 in soul and nubas had 3 attack but hanzo gets over both those issues and hanzo has big columns and a stride that basically draws them cards and gives multi attack on first stride all without having to relie on your opponent which is the best thing about this deck it's capable of doing all the nuba nonsense without relying on your opponent
I have this idea for a PM engine that might be a bit over the top. I dont have that much experience with premium, but I guess Greedon + Purple Trapezist (V version) + Peryton + Cat in high boots breaks the format. By putting Trapezist in soul, you can call out peryton to call a cat to call another peryton which can call another trapezist. which would give you 6 vg attacks that stacks 15k everytime you stand and peryton replenishes the SB2. I tried splashing in this with a Bunny deck, and it does really good. Or so I feel.
Also, that Bunny g3 can turn one of your RCs into a VC until end of turn... So, 7 vg swings a turn for literally no cost... and the setup also isnt that hard to achieve considered the stand trigger exists. (Is it just me, or does PM always have this super weird ultra combo plays that take 20 minutes per turn and confuses the HECK out of your opponent?)
@@SolemnVanguard well I don't necessarily disagree that Dolls are too strong (which i play them myself), but I think before making bans there should be something to fix the inherent issue with the abuse of stride rules/rollock thats available to a select few decks.
@@TvTheLuis Ginny is the problem though. Without the dumb loop, them jumping back down to grade 2 wouldn't be gamebreaking. Gears and Aqua Force can do that too, but they aren't breaking the game.
If mizukaze can ever be truly exploited then we will def have a problem, also nubas have access to the stride that puts your opponent to 4 cards , tsukumorakan, so with some multi attack or guard restrict it can be viable. Nubas as a whole feel like an unloved child since jamyo was banned and none of the support seems to synergize perfectly.
Honestly neo needs another good stride. Like I dint think we should get another busted card like katrina ( I miss her 😔) but we need to be able to use something at least
I somewhat disagree on Link Joker. I understand the "counter deck" argument, but messiah actually has a lot going for it. Strong early game. Strong grade 3 turn. Strong stride turn. And a lot of decks have to change the stride they go into to unlock the cards you locked. though it will be few cards you're locking anyways
I feel like one of great nature’s bigger problems is that while you can build for any one kind of meta, you can’t cover the sheer diversity of decks/combos rn
In regards to Aqua Force, I know I've barely played this game in a long time, much less at any sort of competitive level, but is the Grade 2 gaming really a thing that has any effectiveness ? I know you can sort of trick out first stride going first but do you not just get your face beaten in by decks just doing their thing with imaginary gifts and non-GB related skills anyway?
Strides are pretty centralizing, so denying a first stride does a lot in slowing down the aggression/resource gain of the opponent. Riding down nets you cards via twin drive and with the addition of heal guards, there's less of a chance of some V boss one-shoting you.
Hey solemn , for the deck depository eradicator deck. Why does it use EGB and not vowing sword ? Like the top we saw? Vowing sword has good synergy with stunverse?
An honest question, so if it's ridiculous it comes from ignorance. Is there any possibility in Katrina being legal again at less than max copies? If not, what stride could they get that would help make premium Neos viable again?
Max copies doesn’t matter when she kills you first stride. With Ines and Cycloned out, Katrina is a problem imo. I don’t know what neo needs. All of their support is wildly different (from g to v)
@@SolemnVanguard That's what I've bemoaned since V-series Neo was a thing. They have no foundation from g-stuff and Bushi had a good idea with Katrina, but screwed up. Thanks for your insight as always.
Well for cheapest for premium I can think of really any Neo nectar decks however overall they struggle a lot in the meta, and for best obviously something like Highlander or Nightrose would be some of the best however they’re pricey. Honestly, I recommend net decking and trying out the decks online using untap or Cardfight Area to practice and see which deck you like to play because how fun a clan is is of course more important than if it’s the meta.
Neo will be forever trash until they either bring back Katrina or just make better cards. It sucks that highlander is the playable deck for Bermuda. I just don’t like how it plays. I want my Ange or elly back.
I think Ange should never come back sadly.... It just brings way too much value :/ I still have my playset for if she does, but it's just too unfair. Same story for Katrina now that Ines and Cycloned exist....
Its kinda sad to see how gear chronicle is so underwhelming after seeing the horrible support that it has been getting for a long time, right now it just feels like bushi didn’t know what to do with the clan and now V stuff doesn’t really fit with G stuff, ZTBs are non existent anymore, and even if they can manage to make a ton of attacks with their time leap combo, 1 trigger stops them completely. Also, the fact that main deck grade 4s don’t have triple drive or gift doesn’t help the clan a lot. From returning stuff to the bottom of the deck, then time leap, then ztb, then bind, then discard, and now looks like escalate with steam maidens…. Sadly, it’s just a mess… hope bushi decides to actually fix them to be kinda good in premium.
its actually called v-standard from the actual japanese translation. The game is segregated to D-Standard, V-Standard and Premium Standard. On the first english showcase of the 3 format split, intern-kun mistranslated it as V-premium and till this day, content creators have been following the mistranslation ever since.
Gear is kinda fair right now since zazan gone, but as a gear player i wanna put it on bottom A because of new support (new kalibum and chronoscommand) but i think B is fair since those A and S tier have more nuance and synergy over gear right now
Thank you. I think OTT is SUPER slept on. It can give you one damage, and then smash you from 1 to 6 all at once, while still having a really strong turn if they ride up to grade 3 first.
"Overlord the Whatever, the Orange One"
-Solemn 2021
In the deck skeleton
Finally. DP is getting the respect it deserves
i honestly agree with your great nature point and how it works against the meta, thought with polaris and the likely leopald reverse i hope it gives a much better game overall with that support to gn cause i love the deck
Deck to add:
Glendios
Hey hey
"Victor needs to stride to have a hand"
_me who plays turn 4 GB8 Blau:_ "damn, sucks to be Victor"
Thank you solemn for becoming a connection into premium! Your content really helped me get into premium and I hope that you continue to bring amazing content for this format!
Some lists I would like to see is chatnoir, musketeers and jewel knights
Speaking of musketeer, I was the only person in BRO AO region that run musketeer prem, got into top 32, it can somehow keep up with meta decks, but it was just really hard. I did just play it because I just love how tool boxy, musketeers can be in any situation and any Opponent. Unlike playing Ahsha Token Rush which is braindead as heck.
@@Von_Arca yeah after having fully built premium musketeers the struggle is the lack of good strides. Beyond just superior calling and then hoping you hit Martina for an extra crit. I think it needs more battle phase superior calls
I usually don't stride anymore once I can assure I have a saul on the field and a GB1 for the Elma fore runnner starter to extend my attacks, I just stick to vera, and pressure em. You also have an option to go superior stride onto Sandrine after using Virginial Cecilia to bait out the Perfect guard then distributing your Triggers evenly onto your rearguards, but yeah I do agree Neo needs good stride the fact that a Grade 3 can do better things than their strides is just bad.
@@Von_Arca I am honestly hoping Cecilia reverse can give us some good options. Especially if it has a good rear guard skill. Relying on Vera just makes me feel like I’m playing V but with a few good extras
But seeing that Cecilia requires to lock your front row rearguards based from their slight reveal of the skills, is sus already
Happy to see Aqf higher up the list since Thavas V+ Premium.
Very insightful info on the decks in the premium format! I was wondering if there's any chance you could make a deck profile on your leopald GN deck or if you have any updates on your Isabelle Control deck?
Decks to add:
-Decay Hollow Megacolony
-Eugene Handkiller Kagero
Handkiller?
@@seir5772 Yeah, It's litterally shreds your hand apart on 1st G3 Ride. Heavy Artillery of Dust Storm, Eugene & Dragon Knight, Nizari is crazy good.
@@seir5772 It's piece reliant and half the time it doesn't kill on first g3 ride. That's an overhype. It stops the opponent for doing anything but it doesn't kill early. You are running 6 draws and 4 crit because you are so piece reliant. It's not consistent as someone who plays it. Your constantly bricking for g1s and g2s because your running over 20 g3s. It kills slow decks but like Granblue and Dimension Police rips you apart. It kills 70% of things but you are high rolling and have no hand to guard. It works but at the same time struggles asf. I for one would like to make the list a secret before people jump the bandwagon because I hate playing meta and your just a number when everyone plays the same deck
What's a Decay Hollow Megacolony?
@@cgzsquall youll see 😏
I would love to see a good OTT premium list!
Hey Solemn, could be a good idea to include some of the lists that did well and include them as a list under certain clans in the deck depository. Have clan as a subsection under nations, and include the different lists under that subsection, then list what event/date they're from next to it. Just not sure how much extra work that might be. Would be helpful for players to have something like an mtggoldfish equivalent for Vanguard.
It would take insane amounts of time and thus money to keep that supported.
I honestly would love to see a Dudley list
Super late to this but I'm glad Kagero is up there with the top tier decks. Been meaning to get into Premium and using Kagero and I have a viable deck that I'd like to test out before entering a major event.
Would love to see Neo Nectar Musketeers on there!
The marimarten/al mi raj is the izzy build, and I'm of the belief that rhinos and zoa aren't worth the trouble lately.
Hey Solemn nice video! Would it be nice to add in Pure Daikaiser, Bluish Flame, Dudley, Musketeer, Beast Deity and Raizers? Thanks. Keep doing great :)
I honestly think NMD has its own teir above the rest, but with that said great list❤️
I think people do sleep on bugs a bit. Even if we ignore the concept of countering other decks it's still a 5 attack deck with huge power swings, guard restrict and basically forces the opponent to have a g3 in hand or they lose.
Thats alot more than what you can say about Link Joker
I know a messiah build is on there, but be curious on a pure messiah list and see what ideas there is!
Also, I have a Neo Nectar Sephiroth core and wondering if anyone has ideas on how to make a Premium build using that core.
Perfectly correct on angels. We need an actual first stride, and a game ender besides Ultima.
The first strider is the important part.
Angels have a very strong grade 2 game, but Eden just doesnt do enough as a first stride.
Great list. Have a nice day!
You should look into hanzo it has multi attack it can uss decoy token to guard eariler and mizukaze can make it so your opponent can only guard about 4 attack per turn that together with any dominate stride will guarantee a win plus hanzo can wipe fields
Hanzo is weaker than Daihouzan and Shiranui imo
@@MaximeSolemn the reason i said hanzo is because in this meta it can guard early and protect itself it can actually also wipe field so against eradicators it can turn off a lot of their battle phase retire and with tasogare it can have 32 atks in the backrow giving you 4th 5th 6th or 7th attacks in nuba and the only thing keeping mizukaze bad was the fact you needed a g3 in soul and nubas had 3 attack but hanzo gets over both those issues and hanzo has big columns and a stride that basically draws them cards and gives multi attack on first stride all without having to relie on your opponent which is the best thing about this deck it's capable of doing all the nuba nonsense without relying on your opponent
thats pretty healthy amount of good decks, I would like to ban over triggers in prem
I have this idea for a PM engine that might be a bit over the top. I dont have that much experience with premium, but I guess Greedon + Purple Trapezist (V version) + Peryton + Cat in high boots breaks the format. By putting Trapezist in soul, you can call out peryton to call a cat to call another peryton which can call another trapezist. which would give you 6 vg attacks that stacks 15k everytime you stand and peryton replenishes the SB2. I tried splashing in this with a Bunny deck, and it does really good. Or so I feel.
Also, that Bunny g3 can turn one of your RCs into a VC until end of turn... So, 7 vg swings a turn for literally no cost... and the setup also isnt that hard to achieve considered the stand trigger exists.
(Is it just me, or does PM always have this super weird ultra combo plays that take 20 minutes per turn and confuses the HECK out of your opponent?)
I don't see why you would hit Ginny when what needs to be fixed is stride rules so riding down from 3 doesn't stop your opponent from striding.
If you think that’s all that breaks dolls, I don’t know what to tell you.
@@SolemnVanguard well I don't necessarily disagree that Dolls are too strong (which i play them myself), but I think before making bans there should be something to fix the inherent issue with the abuse of stride rules/rollock thats available to a select few decks.
@@TvTheLuis Ginny is the problem though. Without the dumb loop, them jumping back down to grade 2 wouldn't be gamebreaking.
Gears and Aqua Force can do that too, but they aren't breaking the game.
Hey, 2022 here. Damn megacolony moved really fast up there huh.
If mizukaze can ever be truly exploited then we will def have a problem, also nubas have access to the stride that puts your opponent to 4 cards , tsukumorakan, so with some multi attack or guard restrict it can be viable. Nubas as a whole feel like an unloved child since jamyo was banned and none of the support seems to synergize perfectly.
If someone is playing greedon in premium then overlord the purge has the potential to have 6 drive checks witch would be rare but insane in my opinion
Honestly neo needs another good stride. Like I dint think we should get another busted card like katrina ( I miss her 😔) but we need to be able to use something at least
I somewhat disagree on Link Joker. I understand the "counter deck" argument, but messiah actually has a lot going for it. Strong early game. Strong grade 3 turn. Strong stride turn. And a lot of decks have to change the stride they go into to unlock the cards you locked. though it will be few cards you're locking anyways
I feel like one of great nature’s bigger problems is that while you can build for any one kind of meta, you can’t cover the sheer diversity of decks/combos rn
I agree with just about everything here.
In regards to Aqua Force, I know I've barely played this game in a long time, much less at any sort of competitive level, but is the Grade 2 gaming really a thing that has any effectiveness ? I know you can sort of trick out first stride going first but do you not just get your face beaten in by decks just doing their thing with imaginary gifts and non-GB related skills anyway?
Strides are pretty centralizing, so denying a first stride does a lot in slowing down the aggression/resource gain of the opponent. Riding down nets you cards via twin drive and with the addition of heal guards, there's less of a chance of some V boss one-shoting you.
It 100% depends on the matchup. Most blanket statements are pointless in Premium.
Stride denying Overlord? Pointless. Stride denying Luard? Massive.
Hey solemn , for the deck depository eradicator deck. Why does it use EGB and not vowing sword ? Like the top we saw? Vowing sword has good synergy with stunverse?
There’s 2 eradicator lists on the depository
How does the riding down to grade 2 in AqF work?
An honest question, so if it's ridiculous it comes from ignorance. Is there any possibility in Katrina being legal again at less than max copies? If not, what stride could they get that would help make premium Neos viable again?
Max copies doesn’t matter when she kills you first stride. With Ines and Cycloned out, Katrina is a problem imo.
I don’t know what neo needs. All of their support is wildly different (from g to v)
@@SolemnVanguard That's what I've bemoaned since V-series Neo was a thing. They have no foundation from g-stuff and Bushi had a good idea with Katrina, but screwed up. Thanks for your insight as always.
NN main here, feels so sad to see it as the worst deck in premium but its the truth, hopefully they will get good support like the Katrina days
Hey! Whats the best and cheapest deck you would recommend someone to get at first
Well for cheapest for premium I can think of really any Neo nectar decks however overall they struggle a lot in the meta, and for best obviously something like Highlander or Nightrose would be some of the best however they’re pricey. Honestly, I recommend net decking and trying out the decks online using untap or Cardfight Area to practice and see which deck you like to play because how fun a clan is is of course more important than if it’s the meta.
Neo will be forever trash until they either bring back Katrina or just make better cards. It sucks that highlander is the playable deck for Bermuda. I just don’t like how it plays. I want my Ange or elly back.
I think Ange should never come back sadly.... It just brings way too much value :/ I still have my playset for if she does, but it's just too unfair.
Same story for Katrina now that Ines and Cycloned exist....
Can we get Muskets on the deck depository
So quick legitimate question, does this tier list account for each clan checking their respective OT or are OT just in their own SS tier?
OTs don’t define tiers. Any deck can randomly win by sacking an OT on the opponent’s kill turn.
I know it's probably the worse way to play it, but a Federica Highlander list?
Its kinda sad to see how gear chronicle is so underwhelming after seeing the horrible support that it has been getting for a long time, right now it just feels like bushi didn’t know what to do with the clan and now V stuff doesn’t really fit with G stuff, ZTBs are non existent anymore, and even if they can manage to make a ton of attacks with their time leap combo, 1 trigger stops them completely. Also, the fact that main deck grade 4s don’t have triple drive or gift doesn’t help the clan a lot.
From returning stuff to the bottom of the deck, then time leap, then ztb, then bind, then discard, and now looks like escalate with steam maidens…. Sadly, it’s just a mess… hope bushi decides to actually fix them to be kinda good in premium.
Let's go OTT top 5
bushi really need to rename v-premium to something else, whenever I see a title It always takes me a bit to figure out what someone is talking about
They should just call it V-Format
I call it Memeium
its actually called v-standard from the actual japanese translation. The game is segregated to D-Standard, V-Standard and Premium Standard. On the first english showcase of the 3 format split, intern-kun mistranslated it as V-premium and till this day, content creators have been following the mistranslation ever since.
I feel like most of your points were against link joker were towards like chaos what about messiahs
If only Megacolony came with a two round bye to dodge all the rando decks
Gear is kinda fair right now since zazan gone, but as a gear player i wanna put it on bottom A because of new support (new kalibum and chronoscommand) but i think B is fair since those A and S tier have more nuance and synergy over gear right now
Yea, I am a gears player and I agree
Deck to add:
Claret sword Shadow paladin
"I'm playing Leopald right now" - What? Decklist please. I need the spice.
Rip Touken Rambu
please make ztb breath again bushi...
Gyze Glendios best deck
The double win con? You need Worldline to grab your pieces and unbrick yourself
OTT gang gang