It will never happen. Germain would take over anyway. Jordon would let her do most of the talking as Jordon also likes to get points of agreement whereas Greer even admits she likes a debate and to be disagreed with so she has nothing to lose by just flagrant attack. Jordon has also been reduced to tears whereas Greer never would cry. Greer would have more testosterone than Jordon. Look at the interviewer scared shitless when she talked about how women should use knives and he quickly changed the subject to something funny he could joke with her about like the bloody urn she couldn't keep.
She's so darn smart! I'm so thrilled that she's respectful to women AND men, and doesn't try to do away with men because "all men are toxic & abusive." There's a reason why she's the *Original Feminist.* She represents what feminism was originally meant to be.
I'm not sure this "unpaid work" argument makes economic sense. If you're going to factor in all the hours of work that homemakers do for their families, then you also have to factor out all the hours of work that breadwinners do to earn money for their families. If a couple are both working full-time jobs and one of them is doing more housework, then yes that is an unfair division of labour. But that's a personal relationship matter, not the fault or the business of their employers.
Andy Brice Yeah, like my mam has always done the bulk of the housework in terms of cleaning and gardening, but any time there's something really filthy to do, such as with the rubbish or septic tank it was always my dad. Likewise for anything more inherently dangerous such as electrical issues or anything requiring a manual. I'd imagine this isn't uncommon. Incidentally cooking has always been reasonably split, tilting towards dad because he enjoys it more.
No More True. Though, I'm not really talking about the division of housework. I'm talking about the division of all work. If one parent in a family spends 40 hours per week looking after the house and kids, and the other parent spends 40 hours per week earning money which they give to their partner and kids, that's equal as far as I'm concerned. It would daft be to say that it's unfair on the homemaker because they're not getting paid. Now, of course, if women are still being socially pressured into becoming homemakers when they want to pursue a career, that is unfair. But you can't measure that with income stats.
Housework is not unpaid. It is the same as car maintenance or lawn maintenance. You either pay someone else to do it, or you do it yourself to save money (but at the expense of time). If you do it yourself you are effectively paying yourself. In a relationship the breadwinner is paying the non breadwinner to do it. This is no different to the sales department 'paying' the admin department to do the admin. The admin department does not earn money, so the sale department must subsidise it. But in realty BOTH departments ensure the smooth and efficient (and profitable) operation of the company...... just as the traditional homemaker and breadwinner also ensure the efficient and profitable operation of the household. Feminists define men and women as competing companies, even when they are living as a partnership. They are mentally deranged. Studies have shown that when the woman earns LESS than her partner (or is totally supported by him) she generally nags him about housework, complaining about the washing up etc. But as soon as she is earning THE SAME OR MORE as him she stops nagging and often forbids him to do the housework, preferring to do it herself (just the way she likes it). This proves that the nagging is actually a way to increase her perceived value in the relationship. When she is contributing less household income than him she will complain about the housework to remind him of her value in that area. But when she is contributing the same she does not feel insecure about her value in the relationship so the nagging stops. Single women living alone hardly ever complain about doing housework, and often enjoy it (within reason). The feminist narrative that housework is unfair breaks down when you consider single career women doing their own housework. A marriage is a voluntary partnership. How you negotiate work inside and outside the home is up to you and your partner. If housework is that bad then become the primary breadwinner so you can support your partner staying at home more and doing the washing up. Feminists view everything as if it were communism. That is what they want. Communism. Feminists use EVERY opportunity to play the victim, including housework. If women were the traditional coal miners, truck drivers, construction workers etc and men were the traditional homemakers nobody would think to define men's role as oppression. We would say men got the cushy end of the bargain.
Andy Brice It’s an argument we generally hear coming from teenagers and childless older women (many man hating lesbians to be quite fair about it, though Germaine does not fall in the lesbian separatist category). Of course it doesn’t make sense.
I don't understand what your saying Andy Brie, the unpaid labour argument is pointing out that they only work that is valued (in monetary terms) is the work that is done by the breadwinner, and not all the other labour that is performed. We live in a work where people labour (they do an action, which has results), and for some of the labour that they perform get's paid for, and some does not. At the moment, in many countries, women do more labour that is unpaid than men do, and typically get paid less for their paid labour. This matters because money gives one access to resources, opportunities, and power. Even if the breadwinner is generous and shares all with their partner, they are still dependent on their partner as their means of accessing resources. It is a more precarious position to be in, which is why it is problematic that women earn less than men because it implies: a) they are less valuable and b) when they are in trouble, they have less power to act. Her point about labour is that it has no intrinsic "natural" god-given value, we decide what labour is valued (monetarily) and what isn't.
Jemma J yet she believes in a fake pay gap. Not that great a mind. I researched the topic and debated a college professor in front of my class. The professor lost terribly.
@@ross1116 thats you're word, apparently you won a date 🤣 jordan peterson argues that the pay gap ignores external factors such as motherhood and that men work far longer hours which is proven and has an effect on pay 🤷♂️
I may not agree with every point she has, but i respect the way she delivers her opinion. Very articulate and you can't help to think "well i disagree but she has a point!". Not to mention the courage of facing criticism while many people these days would cower in fear of getting canceled. I can imagine shallow people in twitter would just resort to name-calling and using 'feelings' as argument had they need to counter this woman. Germain Greer might sound like a terf or sometimes even have a bit of a 'pick-me' vibe from her messages, but you gotta agree that she argues well while keeping a cool head all the time. Something we can all learn in this polarizing era caused by social media.
I want to add some context to the "unpaid work" argument. I believe that Germaine Greer's argument is that women shouldn't actually want equal pay, since equal pay is 1. hogwash and 2. doesn't take into consideration the depth and breadth of women's roles in society and in childrearing. She's also said that women should fight and stand up for themselves if equal pay is something they are interested in. But I know from watching other interviews, debates, and speeches that it's not personally something she is interested in, or considers important under her idealisation of feminism, because she doesn't necessarily think women should be performing the same roles as men in society. She doesn't think that uses all of our skills or biological differences. She is encouraging us to questions why we even think equal pay is an important part of female empowerment. The childrearing thing is to add context of "why equal pay is a hogwash and flawed thing we are discussing". I don't believe it forms part of her argument for a positive societal model. She's just telling us to consider the fact that women often have outside responsibilities in whatever model we come up with.
How can you define rape as something that doesn't require violent coercion; either by threats or physical force? Is there another kind of rape (of an adult)? Is Greer implying that every time a woman feels pressured or obliged to be sexually available for her partner, that is rape, or does every sex act require explicit verbal consent be given (in which case the majority of sexual encounters would qualify as rape?).
I disagree on the very first point. Women should not be paid for work done in the home, just like men aren’t. Work in the home adds no value to the company you’re working for.
While housework may be unpaid, it has real, tangible monetary value to the household. If you stay home, you are adding whatever value you save by not paying someone else to do everything you do. A stay at home parent may bring less money into a household but that does not mean they are bringing less value to it. A penny saved is a penny earned
not only that, the person who's out working is working for the whole family, including the kids. it's not like that person is out working, then they come home and say all the money is theirs and no one else can have it. the money goes to feed the whole family and pay all the bills. and i would wager that most women, given the opportunity, would rather stay at home and raise the kids if they were in a situation where the husband made enough that she didn't have to work and all the expenses for them and the kids were taken care of with his career. some women seem to think that men only want to work because they just love going to the office everyday or going to the factory to get away from the family. but men, on average, love it only to the degree that they know it'll provide for their family.
@@IRGhost0 I agree. These issues need to be looked at from the experience of both men and women. It's a shame that Feminists can't seem to see past their own wants and need.
They're confusing the pay gap with unequal pay - gender pay gap is due to women being in more lower paid or part time work. It is NOT the same as a Man getting paid more than a Woman for the same job at the same hours and with the same experience. It's a ridiculous measure that simply confuses everyone into thinking women are being badly treated.
Plant Powered Honest question: do you have any factual examples of this? As far as I’m aware, it was made law in the 1980’s that m/f had to be paid the same for the same job hourly rate. Certainly when I see jobs advertised there is an hourly rate given and it never says a different one for if you are male or female. That would be preposterous, and illegal.
I meant in a job with the same employer/in the same job advertisement. The overall situation is very complex and has so many variables in the greater context that it is extremely difficult to parse a simple explanation out of all the varying factors involved. Personally, I do not have enough experience or knowledge to form a static opinion.
Plant Powered Just to reiterate, I wasn’t making a point, as stated I was asking an honest question and giving what I currently understand about it, because I was aware that I do not have an informed take on it, there seeming to be so many variables. I must admit, I still don’t appear to be any the wiser.
@Jcorb that's clearly shows that women are more agreeable than men which means they don't negotiate for third salary. It is not a charity where you can work and pay as per the company policies. If the data shows what you said it shows which proves the Jordan Peterson's point, if that it is the case it is not the problem with the employer, the employee shouldn't put up with it and scale the work as per standard and to be paid equally. It is not sexist, it is in the negotiation and being able to say no.
@Lydia Jade that's because in medical field, if you ever look at the data, female medical doctors work less number of hours than male doctors and moreover female doctors are more in medical filed than male doctors because female doctors work less no. of hours than male doctors eventhough they represent the filed in more no. than their male colleagues, because of this female doctors are more and are being paid less for the same type jobs in the medical filed. Infact in the same speciality also some doctors get paid less irrespective of their gender due to choices they make. Please you have to look at the data and put some brain matter into it before sprouting out something like this. Moreover it applies similar to other fields as well irrespective of the gender, it lies in the life choices and temperament
Dear Germaine, So ignorant of the female sexual response... and the medical damage done to the pelvic floor muscles ( all the hip rotators and adductors) , vaginal tears , urethral damage that require surgical intervention-- that is a result of rape. Rape is just an emotional trauma " get over it " you have said. As a physician who actually knows, and not spouting off opinions for attention, your comments are unethical.
Thanks you for explaining that so that people can understand ..And all rape should be reported ..As a responsible grown up she should have reported her being raped.Who did he rape next?A child?These sort of men are dangerous and should be taken out of society
She is so right I got taken to complain when I admitted I was abused. Now I’m dropping it. It is a joke a waste of time and traumatises victims worse. They took my whole phone and downloaded it and so much more that makes the process insidious
I had a woman that worked for me repeatedly claim "un-equal" pay compared the the men that worked with her. Well, I told her when she starts putting in the same hours as those men do she'd be getting the same pay. She missed an average of 8 to 16 hours every week and claimed FMLA for every bit of it. Sorry, but you don't get paid for those FMLA hours you were off and not here. She felt she should be, Sorry, I could not authorize that. So again, had she put in the full 40 hrs per week as her male counterparts she would be getting equal pay. Amazing how often this happens that's never mentioned. Missing work hours seem to always be left out of their complaints and news stories !!!
the work women do in the home is always brought up but no mention on work that men do in yards or changing light bulbs fixing things round the house ect do they get paid for that??
You Tube handy jobs around the house certainly aren’t one offs. There’s always something that needs fixing. Obviously it’s nothing compared to taking care of the kids but men never complain or demand pay for it. This goes to how women complain about the gender role of motherhood like the gender role of “the provider” is any better. Some men go to crazy lengths to provide for their families because it is their gender role to “provide” and is expected of them. Both gender roles are toxic and are as bad as each other. This idea that women have the bad deal is a myth.
This all feels like a bait argument to me, I or my wife do not need to be paid for doing things that benefit ourselves and our own children... plus there is no way of measuring the value of that "work" either, do we have a flat rate per child? do we pay bad parents less than good parents, and if so by whos definitions? do we pay stay at home fathers more because it is more difficult for them? the more male oriented work environments are implied to be for the women in this case. This stuff is poison, just designed to suck people into the stupidest battle of the sexes ever.
The idea that married women arnt compensated for the work they put in at home (if they are housewives) is obviously untrue. The husbands pay the majority of the bill's, and other living costs along with anything, everything else's (that is if he is the only one working). If they divorce, the work she does to keep the home is taken into account in the settlement. It's just a non argument.
She's absolutely spot on with her point about the gender pay gap. I don't know how anyone can disagree with it. I think they must be just misrepresenting her ideas on it because they're brainlets. I thought rapists were shamed massively already though. The problem is that there are evil people out there but I don't see that as a gender issue. That's more a part of the human condition unfortunately.
If Men are really paid more, why companies are still employing men ? Fire them all and Hire women who are cheaper in salary why are these companies hesitating ? "wut di fcuk"~
I work 12 hour shifts over three days and get another three days off. During that time I do house chores while my wife works her 9 to 5 job. Can I claim for unpaid work or is this only "a thing" when women are doing housework?
She raises some valid points. Dont agree with the wage gap debate. Also, it was a bit counter intuitive to mention the woman who cheated on her husband (the vet). Poor husband, any pity for him?
I just started watching Germaine videos and she is the most logical and reasonable "feminist" I have ever encountered and I now believe that equality is possible.
Well I want to be paid for washing and feeding myself then. That's the logic of this paid housework rubbish. Housework benefits the person who does it as well as others. If you don't want to have to look after children don't have them, and if your husband is useless get another one.
i watched for 2 mins. so let me get this straight, women want same hourly rate as men, and they want extra pay for doing dishes and cleaning and cooking and looking after kids.. and the company would pay that for .. what reason.. also men die on average 8 yrs earlier than women, should we get more money because of that.. thats nutz... it works out still to favour women, who live longer..
Feminists have switched it to "emotional labour" because they realise that men are doing more around the home and have twigged this line of thinking is BS. Women are not chained to the mangle after scrubbing the steps, they are drinking prosecco while moaning on Facebook how "repressed" they are after ordering the shopping on line for home delivery and set off the dish washer and washing machine while the husband picks up the dry cleaning after work and the house cleaner finishes the vacuuming. Bullshit....
@sam 7 well, what a well balanced and objective view, straight from the heart. Without doubt, if a male had no woman around he would undoubtedly starve rather than google what food he has in the house, then watch the 3 minute video on UA-cam to make it. No you are right, impossible for any male because female knowledge is sacred and irreplaceable - especially for all those men who choose to live on their own. They must be "cheating" /FACEPALM
"if you want to actually get the rate of pay for women's work you have to add in all the unpaid work including taking kids to school, picking them up ...", bizarre argument! Last time I checked having kids is a personal choice (outside of work). And if a person (regardless of gender) can't negotiate a higher rate of pay then that person should learn to negotiate rather than expecting to get subsidised. And there is no 'gender pay gap' because if a company can hire a person (regardless of gender) for a lower wage then they will do thanks to basic economics. I wonder why Mr Wright didn't counter her blatantly flawed arguments.
Taking them to School, picking them up isn't work. It's just a standard unavoidable thing you have to do for your kids for a certain number of years. Either parent can do this whether they work or not or have a car or not, it's not a gender specific thing. It's an organisational/time management thing. Unless you are lucky enough to be able to afford a child-minder or a relative helps out with this, it's your responsibility. The only way it would be a 'job' as such is if one partner agreed to take on full time the child-rearing responsibilities to allow the other partner to work the hours needed per week so they could give them money towards the general weekly costs specific to the child. Other than that you make a choice and you live with the consequences of that choice.
"I wonder why Mr Wright didn't counter her blatantly flawed arguments." Because he agrees with her that rape is thing men do and women are victims of. They both agree that women need protecting, but not men. Aka, they're both sexist cunts.
What’s wrong with them getting paid for that? Feminists have been protesting ‘wages for housework’ since the 1970s and it’s one of the things that would actually bridge the gap between feminists and the Traditional Right who are in favour of the housewife. Maybe the reason you don’t see many housewives is because not many couples can afford to have only one working partner. If the housewife was recompensed for all her duties maybe you would see more traditional family structures.
while it is true, she is not perfect... and she is open to debate at least... feminism was not about equal rights is what she said, feminists say equal rights but want more, she even states women should stop playing victims... and somewhere down the line she also mentioned about women who take settlements of 100000 dollars and up, but then when the money runs out then they talk... if you take the money you suppose to keep your mouth shut, if you so hurt that the money was not enough then you fight and make your case and most of those cases that are settled would never win and it is just to avoid the bad publicity and thanks to these women less people get settlements and are just destroyed by the lawyers since its like "They going to ruin my name anyways, so let us destroy them in court with top class lawyer battles and see how things go"
His face when Germaine was talking about knives... Hilarious.... You can hear the producer screaming in his ear.... "She's going off message, this is not the government narrative!"
Men do unpaid work around the house too The gender pay gap is a myth. Men and women get paid exactly the same for the same work. The gap is derived by taking the sum total of women income and comparing it to the sum total of mens income. This tells us nothing. The gap comes from the fact that women choose different work and work less hours and take maternity leave, and favor a better work life balance.
Gender pay gap isn't merely as Greer explains here although there are valid points she's made here. It should be added that women on average are employed on shorter hours (part time etc) contracts which is the major cause of the gap. Hardly surprising given mothers tend to drop out of full employment and return part time whilst their male partners tend to try for promotion to help support their new family. Also, males who leave school with poor grades often work their way up in trades which as building, plumbing etc, and end up on higher wages whereas females with poor grades tend to gravitate to poorly paid care work.
If we are going to start including "unpaid work" women do outside of employment, can we start including benefits such as child benefit and tax credits predominantly paid to women?
I've never heard anyone boast about raping someone. I love that this lady is open about this stuff. It's deffinatly a legit issue. I just don't think its a common trend to boast about raping someone, maybe I've just lived a sheltered life.
Wow she just said what I was thinking about gender and wages. Women won’t fight for better pay in care industries. Slowly after years and years the child care workers did a strike in australia
The humanities have a good record of making unbacked claims. Edit: I am a man and I am in school. My partner earns a good salary. I do the shopping, cooking, cleaning, take care of the dog, etc. It's the least I can do to pay my way. This is compensation. Equal partners both work hard in one way or another.
Greer should never be taken seriously. This woman was an adulteress most of her adult life. She is full of lies and self delusion. She broke families and ruined lives of children.
Rising cost of living is not linked with feminism, more to do with the stagnation of wages and increasing concentration of wealth in the hands of a few. And, in your good old days if the man with the salary beat his wife and children, leaving him would put her in a horribly precarious position. Feminism is about giving dignity and control to people who were previously denied it, not stomping on men.
nonsense. you really don'understand the impact of Feminism on the West. You have however revealed your misandry. Perhaps you should do a search on images of women with rolling pins in their hands from the past. Feminism is about Power and influenced by Marx and Post-Modernism.
This is an old school feminist I'm willing to listen to and sometimes change my opinion in some topics. Not the other insane man hating ones who think all problems are caused by white men.....
my hormones make me out of order 25% of the month. physically i have statistically 70% of a man's strength. when do men go on maternity leave? but i should be paid just as much as a man, who's 100% all the time and can do more than I can?
0:45 What utter nonsense. Women make the decision to give birth and raise children. It's not forced upon them. Do you expect other people to pay for the thing you decided to do to yourself? Besides, aren't you already being rewarded for this "unpaid work" by the propagation of your genes and getting to see your kids grow? One would think the ability to create life and nurture it would be reward enough. To me putting a monetary value on your own children's lives seems incredibly callous. I've raised my dog since she was a pup and that was a lot of work, but I wouldn't for a moment cheapen the experience by expecting monetary compensation. My reward was giving and receiving love. And that's for a dog, not even my own offspring. I can't imagine how cold hearted you would need to be to put a price on your own kids. If you don't want to put in the work raising kids there is a perfectly simple solution. Don't have kids. Nobody else owes you just because you couldn't control your own primal urges. That is on you.
Skippy19812 If you have a mother show her your comments. Maybe she will cry or knowing you she will probably say "well done son" but I advise you to look closer to see her disappointment to have give birth and allow something like you in this world.
If you perceive taking care of children is like "a job" then you shouldn't have children at all. A job is something you wouldn't do unless you were paid for it. Do you really want payment for having children?
6:40 Is she advocating for educating children how to use knives....so when they take them to school they'll be able to shank their classmates without getting disarmed??? Wtf ?
Equal rights come with equal responsibility and accountability. You don't need no man, you don't need his money either. Liberation for women from men means .en liberated from paying or being responsible for women. Her body her right, his money her loss.
There is a difference between pay and wage in this subject. People don't get this. Pay in this subject refers to how much one person gets per week, month, year etc. Yes, there is a pay gap... between everyone. Wage in this refers to hourly wage. There is no wage gap, by law.
My wife works in a company where she's constantly teaching people (with higher paid positions than her) how to do their jobs, for years shes complained about this. She does get acknowledged and has had a raise but is often overlooked for moving up the ladder, I've explained that they'll keep her in the lower position as long as she continues to go above and beyond for people in higher positions. As for all the unpaid work women do around the household, i honestly find it is hard to stop them doing that work, even if men decide to do that kind of work it is rarely "good enough" for the boss. I agree men would be better suited to home repairs, also the importance of "rough and tumble" play with children is heavily overlooked these days and often lumped into the nonsense term "toxic masculinity", which reduces the possibles role of fathers/men in the family. The importance of rough play and boundary test for children has been highlighted recently by the findings of the play centre in mamals
1. Women get 1/2 the share in a divorce regardless of their income and alimony in case they didn't have income. 2. Women make 60+% of all family decisions should they stay together regardless of their income. And Germaine Greer wants employers to pay for their unpaid work outside the workplace? Answer is...they already are getting paid through the family system should they stay together or get divorced. Does this sound like an oppressed group to you?
A married female work colleague happily admitted that her husband's wages was for the family - but her wages was for herself alone. Just thought I mention that.
@Walter Lawrence Yes, raising your children is primarily a selfish work, you are propagating your genes. It is of course also important to keep a society running, but thats a secondary aspect since society dosent really force you (a certain individual) to procreate. Assistance should be given if things go south, since the child, who is the one who didnt have a word in their creation, should not suffer because his/her parents are to stupid to properly raise it. A license for a child, where you have to prove that you are able to take care of a child, would be a good idea.... in a sane world. If we would put it in action today it would be used to stop certain people from having children alltogether, depending on those in power.
Taking care of kids and cooking for your family (either if it is the man or woman who does it) is not work. They are not producing a good or providing a service. They are just meeting their own basic needs for the family they chose to have. So this unpaid work is bullshit. If you expect to get money for doing that, you're expecting other people to pay you to raise your own kids. Irresponsible nonsense. Don't wanna do house work, don't have a family.
Women actually get paid far more than men for the same job. If corporations could pay women less than men for the same work then only women would be hired. Corporations know women are being overpaid but you have people pushing for this in high places.
Did she say the person with the knife should be taught how to defend themselves? that is unbelievable and its even more unbelievable Jeremy did not pick her up on that, or any body in the studio.
What like work as no value? Work has the value the worker assigns to it, not the employer. The reason why you don't get paid for working on your life is because no one else will take your kids to school, brush their teeth etc, FFS.
taking kids to school, picking them up, cooking for your kids, that is not paid work unless you are doing it for somebody else's kids. Or, should I charge somebody If i cook for me? or if I clip my nails, if I take a shower, etc? Cleaning my house, making my bed, feeding my self, etc is not paid work, doing the same for MY kids is not paid work, doing it for somebody else it is
So women want to be paid for looking after their home and kids. Bollocks. Can I get paid for the gardening, house maintenance, car maintenance, plumbing work? Women work less hours, do easier jobs, safer jobs, take time out from the workforce. If anything they have more rights than men......in school and university, in preferential admissions and recruitment.
SMH poor lady has zero grasp in economics and how individual choices work. When one becomes a couple or parent housework is to be expected. This lady is beyond insane.
Sick and tired of the "women do all the work at home and not getting payed for it" story. Ok then i wanna get payed for what i do in my spare time as well..whenever i do laundry i wanna get payed, whenever i take out the trash i wanna get payed...by whom? Who cares i just want payment for things i have to do daily to maintain a good household and since i'm to comfortable to get a high paying job and maintain my 20h/week routine someone should pay me for housework and things i'm responsible for as an "INDEPENDENT". Are people going nuts?? Getting payed for things you do at home?? May i also remind you that not just women do housework? And men don't take care of their kids at all? Just working all day long, coming home eating and going to bed? Are you all out of your minds? Sick and tired of this whole schtick. You DO NOT get payed for housework and you shouldn't. Next they want payment for going out and meeting friends ..maybe this counts as "duty that's worth paying" as well...disgusting mentality.
Most rape is at home? You mean, when a man pushes her wife a bit to have sex, he should be incarcerated. When a woman pushes a man to have sex, he has the duty to satisfy her or she'll have the moral right to find another guy. You can't hardly have rape between people who have agreed to share sexual acts, even less if you don't address expectations from women.
@@jzwalz51robin45 I concede that, but that's no excuse to give women a de facto monopoly on the sex life, and legally punish men according to women's standards of sex. It's a mutual relationship.
Idk about that argument of pay women for the voluntary work they do so would that mean men should get paid more for paying all the bills in relationships and bring physical and financial security in most relationships it's a one sided argument that also gets rid of what men do for the relationship that comes down to people should get paid more if it's really analyzing what each person does in a relationship if they single yeah pay the same if they have the same roles do the same job at the rate and scale bring in as much money yes they should get paid the same in 99.99999% of cases they do and that's just to assume that there is probably some company that breaks laws and gets away with the women dont acknowledge it because they have more voice in society
Honestly the character and mutual respect of this conversation to me means we've achieved, in certain parts of the world, about as good equality between the sexes as you can ask for.
Sorry Germaine you can't conflate work outside of work with domestic/personal responsibilities.. woman have domestic/personal/partnership responsibilities and they are a contractual deal between herself and her spouse/partner.. likewise her spouse/partner has responsibilities outside of work within agreement with her relationship which may or may not include children, so as to be (although i dislike the word) "INCLUSIVE" of all types of relationships". She is spot on about women not being able to negotiate with better pay... her connecting the dots with the history of the "naive little girl" who thinks she'll get paid well for doing a good job is almost there... It would be more scientific to conclude that physiologically women (# notallwomen) on a bell curve are higher in the personality trait - agreeableness than men - and this is just one of that factors for the pay gap.
There is no discrimination- its just that not all forms of useful and valuable activity in a society are compensated by money. Thats because its simply impossible to monetise them even in principle. Stop complaining- start being more gracious towards those who do valuable things which aren't paid. End of story.
Women should be paid for taking care of their own kids including brushing their teeth! That's great thank you. So if a man comes home from a full time job and takes the family out in the evening or weekend or holiday then he should be paid for that extra effort by the same logic. I can take this logic all the way to the bedroom if you wish!
From my understanding...... Germaine Greer wasn't making the case for women to be paid extra for 'unpaid work' or domestic duties at home! What I found interesting was she made a very good case that most feminists hate and get triggered about...... that women run the household and look after the kids! She also reiterated what Dr Jordan Peterson has been saying all along about the gender pay gap...... that women are too agreeable..... she states that in pay negotiations with employers, they don't negotiate as aggressively as men and so they loose out, thus saying they are too agreeable! As a trade union rep myself, it was odd to grow up listening to my mother say you ' do whatever your employer tells you to do without question' whereas my father told me the opposite, to not take shit from anyone and not to bow to anyone who claims rank or seniority over me! That sums up this debate for me!
Once again the assumption that women do more work than men outside the place of employment. Not everyone lives in a tiny, tidy home. Men do the great majority of work taking care of the family land, cars etcetera. Women don't even see this work because they are sheltered in the comfort of the home. Germaine doesn't get around - she mouths opinions from a limited exposure. Forget the stereotype of gender and educate yourself.
You would be forgiven for thinking that all men are overpaid bastards, rapists and peodophiles and that all women are victims. The interviewer should have grown some balls and asked the woman some probing questions. Instead he was spineless and cowered. No wonder people don't watch tv anymore.
But they are your kids. The exist because you wanted them. Nobody else demanded you to have kids. How about we switch your kids for other kids to look after.
since when is picking kids up/dropping them off at school and basic meal prep and hygiene considered 'work'? Surely disciplining and teaching your children is a much more difficult task if we're going to go down that road.
Equality of opportunity is important, and not outcome - which is impossible because you cannot force people into jobs at a rate of fifty percent for each sex across the workplace. Why are people focussing on women's issues - like some debatable pay gap myth, and even indeed rape etc: yes these things need discussing, but when are we going to talk about the fact men do not report their rapes, and are not even recognised as victims in some countries - in the UK until recently it was called 'sexual assault' on a man, and 'rape' for a woman. There is also the way we prioritise women over men. For all men globally there is: a huge manual labour gap, more men dying at work, accidents at work, men working illegally long hours, higher rates of violence against men by men, murder, homelessness, higher rates of addiction, lower average of educational performance, stabbing one another, children literally stolen in divorce, pressed into warfare, and executed or persecuted for homosexuality - try being a gay man compared to a gay woman - anywhere. Feminism had its rightful position. Many good things have been achieved. Now look overseas and help the women there, and let's look to our men for their rights and needs.
An interview with Germaine and Jordan Peterson could be most interesting!
Weirdly I only wrote the same thing earlier somewhere else.
Bernard Guy Nunns I was thinking that same thing.
I would very much prefer Germaine and Thomas Sowell. He's more solid.
Bambi meets Godzilla.
It will never happen. Germain would take over anyway. Jordon would let her do most of the talking as Jordon also likes to get points of agreement whereas Greer even admits she likes a debate and to be disagreed with so she has nothing to lose by just flagrant attack. Jordon has also been reduced to tears whereas Greer never would cry. Greer would have more testosterone than Jordon. Look at the interviewer scared shitless when she talked about how women should use knives and he quickly changed the subject to something funny he could joke with her about like the bloody urn she couldn't keep.
She's so darn smart! I'm so thrilled that she's respectful to women AND men, and doesn't try to do away with men because "all men are toxic & abusive." There's a reason why she's the *Original Feminist.* She represents what feminism was originally meant to be.
She says rapists should get community service. That’s feminism ?
@@uioplkhj She's also notorious for making terrible comments about many women's appearances . She's a disgusting hypocrite .
@@uioplkhj Her brand of feminism; Some offenders might benefit from councilling. The younger ones.
True. What a privilege to live in her era. Women Rock Gentlemen.
I'm not sure this "unpaid work" argument makes economic sense. If you're going to factor in all the hours of work that homemakers do for their families, then you also have to factor out all the hours of work that breadwinners do to earn money for their families.
If a couple are both working full-time jobs and one of them is doing more housework, then yes that is an unfair division of labour. But that's a personal relationship matter, not the fault or the business of their employers.
Andy Brice Yeah, like my mam has always done the bulk of the housework in terms of cleaning and gardening, but any time there's something really filthy to do, such as with the rubbish or septic tank it was always my dad. Likewise for anything more inherently dangerous such as electrical issues or anything requiring a manual. I'd imagine this isn't uncommon. Incidentally cooking has always been reasonably split, tilting towards dad because he enjoys it more.
No More True. Though, I'm not really talking about the division of housework. I'm talking about the division of all work. If one parent in a family spends 40 hours per week looking after the house and kids, and the other parent spends 40 hours per week earning money which they give to their partner and kids, that's equal as far as I'm concerned. It would daft be to say that it's unfair on the homemaker because they're not getting paid.
Now, of course, if women are still being socially pressured into becoming homemakers when they want to pursue a career, that is unfair. But you can't measure that with income stats.
Housework is not unpaid. It is the same as car maintenance or lawn maintenance. You either pay someone else to do it, or you do it yourself to save money (but at the expense of time). If you do it yourself you are effectively paying yourself.
In a relationship the breadwinner is paying the non breadwinner to do it. This is no different to the sales department 'paying' the admin department to do the admin. The admin department does not earn money, so the sale department must subsidise it. But in realty BOTH departments ensure the smooth and efficient (and profitable) operation of the company...... just as the traditional homemaker and breadwinner also ensure the efficient and profitable operation of the household.
Feminists define men and women as competing companies, even when they are living as a partnership. They are mentally deranged.
Studies have shown that when the woman earns LESS than her partner (or is totally supported by him) she generally nags him about housework, complaining about the washing up etc.
But as soon as she is earning THE SAME OR MORE as him she stops nagging and often forbids him to do the housework, preferring to do it herself (just the way she likes it).
This proves that the nagging is actually a way to increase her perceived value in the relationship. When she is contributing less household income than him she will complain about the housework to remind him of her value in that area. But when she is contributing the same she does not feel insecure about her value in the relationship so the nagging stops.
Single women living alone hardly ever complain about doing housework, and often enjoy it (within reason). The feminist narrative that housework is unfair breaks down when you consider single career women doing their own housework. A marriage is a voluntary partnership. How you negotiate work inside and outside the home is up to you and your partner. If housework is that bad then become the primary breadwinner so you can support your partner staying at home more and doing the washing up.
Feminists view everything as if it were communism. That is what they want. Communism.
Feminists use EVERY opportunity to play the victim, including housework. If women were the traditional coal miners, truck drivers, construction workers etc and men were the traditional homemakers nobody would think to define men's role as oppression. We would say men got the cushy end of the bargain.
Andy Brice It’s an argument we generally hear coming from teenagers and childless older women (many man hating lesbians to be quite fair about it, though Germaine does not fall in the lesbian separatist category). Of course it doesn’t make sense.
I don't understand what your saying Andy Brie, the unpaid labour argument is pointing out that they only work that is valued (in monetary terms) is the work that is done by the breadwinner, and not all the other labour that is performed. We live in a work where people labour (they do an action, which has results), and for some of the labour that they perform get's paid for, and some does not. At the moment, in many countries, women do more labour that is unpaid than men do, and typically get paid less for their paid labour. This matters because money gives one access to resources, opportunities, and power. Even if the breadwinner is generous and shares all with their partner, they are still dependent on their partner as their means of accessing resources. It is a more precarious position to be in, which is why it is problematic that women earn less than men because it implies: a) they are less valuable and b) when they are in trouble, they have less power to act. Her point about labour is that it has no intrinsic "natural" god-given value, we decide what labour is valued (monetarily) and what isn't.
What a great mind. I hope she lives a long healthy life. Unique intellectual character
Jemma J yet she believes in a fake pay gap. Not that great a mind. I researched the topic and debated a college professor in front of my class. The professor lost terribly.
Novak Ingood provide real evidence or be silent on the topic else slander against men is your mission.
Novak Ingood you have no evidence for a paygap, libel lol.
@@ross1116 thats you're word, apparently you won a date 🤣 jordan peterson argues that the pay gap ignores external factors such as motherhood and that men work far longer hours which is proven and has an effect on pay 🤷♂️
She's a dinosaur
I may not agree with every point she has, but i respect the way she delivers her opinion. Very articulate and you can't help to think "well i disagree but she has a point!". Not to mention the courage of facing criticism while many people these days would cower in fear of getting canceled.
I can imagine shallow people in twitter would just resort to name-calling and using 'feelings' as argument had they need to counter this woman.
Germain Greer might sound like a terf or sometimes even have a bit of a 'pick-me' vibe from her messages, but you gotta agree that she argues well while keeping a cool head all the time. Something we can all learn in this polarizing era caused by social media.
I want to add some context to the "unpaid work" argument. I believe that Germaine Greer's argument is that women shouldn't actually want equal pay, since equal pay is 1. hogwash and 2. doesn't take into consideration the depth and breadth of women's roles in society and in childrearing. She's also said that women should fight and stand up for themselves if equal pay is something they are interested in. But I know from watching other interviews, debates, and speeches that it's not personally something she is interested in, or considers important under her idealisation of feminism, because she doesn't necessarily think women should be performing the same roles as men in society. She doesn't think that uses all of our skills or biological differences. She is encouraging us to questions why we even think equal pay is an important part of female empowerment. The childrearing thing is to add context of "why equal pay is a hogwash and flawed thing we are discussing". I don't believe it forms part of her argument for a positive societal model. She's just telling us to consider the fact that women often have outside responsibilities in whatever model we come up with.
Eh, if you consider taking care of your children as "unpaid work" then maybe you shouldn't have kids....
erm, kids have fathers too... why taking care of them almost always has to fall on women's shoulders?
Agreed. But that's beside the point here.
ahhh it is work..hard thankless work.
House of Zuma did you thank your mother?
No matter what anyone thinks including yourself: you shouldn't have kids.
How can you define rape as something that doesn't require violent coercion; either by threats or physical force? Is there another kind of rape (of an adult)? Is Greer implying that every time a woman feels pressured or obliged to be sexually available for her partner, that is rape, or does every sex act require explicit verbal consent be given (in which case the majority of sexual encounters would qualify as rape?).
She comes across as smart and reasonable compared to today's "feminists". Too bad men in dresses have cancelled her.
I disagree on the very first point. Women should not be paid for work done in the home, just like men aren’t. Work in the home adds no value to the company you’re working for.
While housework may be unpaid, it has real, tangible monetary value to the household. If you stay home, you are adding whatever value you save by not paying someone else to do everything you do.
A stay at home parent may bring less money into a household but that does not mean they are bringing less value to it. A penny saved is a penny earned
not only that, the person who's out working is working for the whole family, including the kids. it's not like that person is out working, then they come home and say all the money is theirs and no one else can have it. the money goes to feed the whole family and pay all the bills. and i would wager that most women, given the opportunity, would rather stay at home and raise the kids if they were in a situation where the husband made enough that she didn't have to work and all the expenses for them and the kids were taken care of with his career. some women seem to think that men only want to work because they just love going to the office everyday or going to the factory to get away from the family. but men, on average, love it only to the degree that they know it'll provide for their family.
@@IRGhost0 I agree. These issues need to be looked at from the experience of both men and women. It's a shame that Feminists can't seem to see past their own wants and need.
@@IRGhost0 some people do do that with money though
@@PhoenicianPrincess88 well you have to think about just what the majority of people do, not what 0.01% of people with personal or mental issues do.
This is so true.
They're confusing the pay gap with unequal pay - gender pay gap is due to women being in more lower paid or part time work. It is NOT the same as a Man getting paid more than a Woman for the same job at the same hours and with the same experience. It's a ridiculous measure that simply confuses everyone into thinking women are being badly treated.
Plant Powered Honest question: do you have any factual examples of this? As far as I’m aware, it was made law in the 1980’s that m/f had to be paid the same for the same job hourly rate. Certainly when I see jobs advertised there is an hourly rate given and it never says a different one for if you are male or female. That would be preposterous, and illegal.
I meant in a job with the same employer/in the same job advertisement. The overall situation is very complex and has so many variables in the greater context that it is extremely difficult to parse a simple explanation out of all the varying factors involved. Personally, I do not have enough experience or knowledge to form a static opinion.
Plant Powered Just to reiterate, I wasn’t making a point, as stated I was asking an honest question and giving what I currently understand about it, because I was aware that I do not have an informed take on it, there seeming to be so many variables. I must admit, I still don’t appear to be any the wiser.
@Jcorb that's clearly shows that women are more agreeable than men which means they don't negotiate for third salary. It is not a charity where you can work and pay as per the company policies. If the data shows what you said it shows which proves the Jordan Peterson's point, if that it is the case it is not the problem with the employer, the employee shouldn't put up with it and scale the work as per standard and to be paid equally. It is not sexist, it is in the negotiation and being able to say no.
@Lydia Jade that's because in medical field, if you ever look at the data, female medical doctors work less number of hours than male doctors and moreover female doctors are more in medical filed than male doctors because female doctors work less no. of hours than male doctors eventhough they represent the filed in more no. than their male colleagues, because of this female doctors are more and are being paid less for the same type jobs in the medical filed. Infact in the same speciality also some doctors get paid less irrespective of their gender due to choices they make. Please you have to look at the data and put some brain matter into it before sprouting out something like this. Moreover it applies similar to other fields as well irrespective of the gender, it lies in the life choices and temperament
Dear Germaine, So ignorant of the female sexual response... and the medical damage done to the pelvic floor muscles ( all the hip rotators and adductors) , vaginal tears , urethral damage that require surgical intervention-- that is a result of rape. Rape is just an emotional trauma " get over it " you have said. As a physician who actually knows, and not spouting off opinions for attention, your comments are unethical.
Thanks you for explaining that so that people can understand ..And all rape should be reported ..As a responsible grown up she should have reported her being raped.Who did he rape next?A child?These sort of men are dangerous and should be taken out of society
She is so right I got taken to complain when I admitted I was abused. Now I’m dropping it. It is a joke a waste of time and traumatises victims worse. They took my whole phone and downloaded it and so much more that makes the process insidious
I had a woman that worked for me repeatedly claim "un-equal" pay compared the the men that worked with her. Well, I told her when she starts putting in the same hours as those men do she'd be getting the same pay. She missed an average of 8 to 16 hours every week and claimed FMLA for every bit of it. Sorry, but you don't get paid for those FMLA hours you were off and not here. She felt she should be, Sorry, I could not authorize that. So again, had she put in the full 40 hrs per week as her male counterparts she would be getting equal pay. Amazing how often this happens that's never mentioned. Missing work hours seem to always be left out of their complaints and news stories !!!
Sick days are a legal right as is parental care which most women shoulder alone. If her claim was successful it was clearly legal.
She hits the truth with women having false preconceived ideas about negotiating salaries.
Don't carry a weapon you aren't prepared to have used upon yourself.
the work women do in the home is always brought up but no mention on work that men do in yards or changing light bulbs fixing things round the house ect do they get paid for that??
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You Tube handy jobs around the house certainly aren’t one offs. There’s always something that needs fixing. Obviously it’s nothing compared to taking care of the kids but men never complain or demand pay for it. This goes to how women complain about the gender role of motherhood like the gender role of “the provider” is any better. Some men go to crazy lengths to provide for their families because it is their gender role to “provide” and is expected of them. Both gender roles are toxic and are as bad as each other. This idea that women have the bad deal is a myth.
This all feels like a bait argument to me, I or my wife do not need to be paid for doing things that benefit ourselves and our own children... plus there is no way of measuring the value of that "work" either, do we have a flat rate per child? do we pay bad parents less than good parents, and if so by whos definitions? do we pay stay at home fathers more because it is more difficult for them? the more male oriented work environments are implied to be for the women in this case.
This stuff is poison, just designed to suck people into the stupidest battle of the sexes ever.
The idea that married women arnt compensated for the work they put in at home (if they are housewives) is obviously untrue. The husbands pay the majority of the bill's, and other living costs along with anything, everything else's (that is if he is the only one working).
If they divorce, the work she does to keep the home is taken into account in the settlement.
It's just a non argument.
They just say if you don't do it you don't get sex 😂
She's absolutely spot on with her point about the gender pay gap. I don't know how anyone can disagree with it. I think they must be just misrepresenting her ideas on it because they're brainlets.
I thought rapists were shamed massively already though. The problem is that there are evil people out there but I don't see that as a gender issue. That's more a part of the human condition unfortunately.
If Men are really paid more,
why companies are still employing men ?
Fire them all and Hire women who are cheaper in salary
why are these companies hesitating ?
"wut di fcuk"~
Thank you germaine. Voice of truth.
I work 12 hour shifts over three days and get another three days off. During that time I do house chores while my wife works her 9 to 5 job. Can I claim for unpaid work or is this only "a thing" when women are doing housework?
She raises some valid points. Dont agree with the wage gap debate. Also, it was a bit counter intuitive to mention the woman who cheated on her husband (the vet). Poor husband, any pity for him?
I don't always agree with Germaine, but I do tip my hat to someone who wants G Spot Tornado by Frank Zappa played at their funeral.
I just started watching Germaine videos and she is the most logical and reasonable "feminist" I have ever encountered and I now believe that equality is possible.
Well I want to be paid for washing and feeding myself then. That's the logic of this paid housework rubbish. Housework benefits the person who does it as well as others. If you don't want to have to look after children don't have them, and if your husband is useless get another one.
i watched for 2 mins. so let me get this straight, women want same hourly rate as men, and they want extra pay for doing dishes and cleaning and cooking and looking after kids.. and the company would pay that for .. what reason.. also men die on average 8 yrs earlier than women, should we get more money because of that.. thats nutz... it works out still to favour women, who live longer..
100% I live on my own. Have to cook and clean all by myself. I need paying. Should pay me for going to the gym, going food shopping etc😂
That's what you got from this?
Wrycking Baul what did you get?
@@max12211 Is this a rhetorical or a genuine question?
She is delusional. Women are grateful for just getting a job?
Oh right, fathers' never take care of their kids. Argument is so very universal and valid here.
Feminists have switched it to "emotional labour" because they realise that men are doing more around the home and have twigged this line of thinking is BS. Women are not chained to the mangle after scrubbing the steps, they are drinking prosecco while moaning on Facebook how "repressed" they are after ordering the shopping on line for home delivery and set off the dish washer and washing machine while the husband picks up the dry cleaning after work and the house cleaner finishes the vacuuming. Bullshit....
@sam 7 well, what a well balanced and objective view, straight from the heart. Without doubt, if a male had no woman around he would undoubtedly starve rather than google what food he has in the house, then watch the 3 minute video on UA-cam to make it. No you are right, impossible for any male because female knowledge is sacred and irreplaceable - especially for all those men who choose to live on their own. They must be "cheating"
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@@zippy_uk1046 hahaha that is gold. sounds about right for most couples in the western world these days under the age of what about 50???
"if you want to actually get the rate of pay for women's work you have to add in all the unpaid work including taking kids to school, picking them up ...", bizarre argument! Last time I checked having kids is a personal choice (outside of work). And if a person (regardless of gender) can't negotiate a higher rate of pay then that person should learn to negotiate rather than expecting to get subsidised. And there is no 'gender pay gap' because if a company can hire a person (regardless of gender) for a lower wage then they will do thanks to basic economics. I wonder why Mr Wright didn't counter her blatantly flawed arguments.
Taking them to School, picking them up isn't work. It's just a standard unavoidable thing you have to do for your kids for a certain number of years. Either parent can do this whether they work or not or have a car or not, it's not a gender specific thing. It's an organisational/time management thing. Unless you are lucky enough to be able to afford a child-minder or a relative helps out with this, it's your responsibility. The only way it would be a 'job' as such is if one partner agreed to take on full time the child-rearing responsibilities to allow the other partner to work the hours needed per week so they could give them money towards the general weekly costs specific to the child. Other than that you make a choice and you live with the consequences of that choice.
"I wonder why Mr Wright didn't counter her blatantly flawed arguments." Because he agrees with her that rape is thing men do and women are victims of.
They both agree that women need protecting, but not men. Aka, they're both sexist cunts.
What’s wrong with them getting paid for that? Feminists have been protesting ‘wages for housework’ since the 1970s and it’s one of the things that would actually bridge the gap between feminists and the Traditional Right who are in favour of the housewife. Maybe the reason you don’t see many housewives is because not many couples can afford to have only one working partner. If the housewife was recompensed for all her duties maybe you would see more traditional family structures.
You say that now, but once birth rates halt then you would be changing your tune
while it is true, she is not perfect... and she is open to debate at least... feminism was not about equal rights is what she said, feminists say equal rights but want more, she even states women should stop playing victims... and somewhere down the line she also mentioned about women who take settlements of 100000 dollars and up, but then when the money runs out then they talk... if you take the money you suppose to keep your mouth shut, if you so hurt that the money was not enough then you fight and make your case and most of those cases that are settled would never win and it is just to avoid the bad publicity and thanks to these women less people get settlements and are just destroyed by the lawyers since its like "They going to ruin my name anyways, so let us destroy them in court with top class lawyer battles and see how things go"
His face when Germaine was talking about knives... Hilarious.... You can hear the producer screaming in his ear.... "She's going off message, this is not the government narrative!"
Ha ha ha It’s likely. 😂
Very unique takes, feels like this is a level of debate that needs to be taken
Men do unpaid work around the house too
The gender pay gap is a myth. Men and women get paid exactly the same for the same work.
The gap is derived by taking the sum total of women income and comparing it to the sum total of mens income. This tells us nothing.
The gap comes from the fact that women choose different work and work less hours and take maternity leave, and favor a better work life balance.
Gender pay gap isn't merely as Greer explains here although there are valid points she's made here. It should be added that women on average are employed on shorter hours (part time etc) contracts which is the major cause of the gap. Hardly surprising given mothers tend to drop out of full employment and return part time whilst their male partners tend to try for promotion to help support their new family. Also, males who leave school with poor grades often work their way up in trades which as building, plumbing etc, and end up on higher wages whereas females with poor grades tend to gravitate to poorly paid care work.
Wow, This woman speaks the truth and is very intelligent. She would make a great president.
Not very diplomatic.
There's no pay gap..proven. No rape culture either proven..this shit needs to be forgotten.
If we are going to start including "unpaid work" women do outside of employment, can we start including benefits such as child benefit and tax credits predominantly paid to women?
Bullshit. I’m Union. Zero pay gap. Zero. Read my lips, Zero.
Being a parent is not a job,it's a privilege,and it's your choice.
I've never heard anyone boast about raping someone. I love that this lady is open about this stuff. It's deffinatly a legit issue. I just don't think its a common trend to boast about raping someone, maybe I've just lived a sheltered life.
I remember Germaine from the "burn the bra" campaign.
I was so impressed that she burnt her bra while still wearing it!
Wow she just said what I was thinking about gender and wages. Women won’t fight for better pay in care industries. Slowly after years and years the child care workers did a strike in australia
Don't have kids, problem solved
The humanities have a good record of making unbacked claims.
Edit: I am a man and I am in school. My partner earns a good salary. I do the shopping, cooking, cleaning, take care of the dog, etc. It's the least I can do to pay my way. This is compensation. Equal partners both work hard in one way or another.
Greer should never be taken seriously. This woman was an adulteress most of her adult life. She is full of lies and self delusion. She broke families and ruined lives of children.
Unpaid work around the home is called being a parent. Your employer never made you have a child, why should they pay for the child.
eh? Greer assumes that women do the household tasks...sexist?
yes, i have heard that. Feminism has certainly ruined society. in the old days one male salary was enough for a family to survive on.
But generally they do, rightly or wrongly. So she's right to assume.
but she states it as fact
Rising cost of living is not linked with feminism, more to do with the stagnation of wages and increasing concentration of wealth in the hands of a few. And, in your good old days if the man with the salary beat his wife and children, leaving him would put her in a horribly precarious position. Feminism is about giving dignity and control to people who were previously denied it, not stomping on men.
nonsense. you really don'understand the impact of Feminism on the West. You have however revealed your misandry. Perhaps you should do a search on images of women with rolling pins in their hands from the past. Feminism is about Power and influenced by Marx and Post-Modernism.
This is an old school feminist I'm willing to listen to and sometimes change my opinion in some topics. Not the other insane man hating ones who think all problems are caused by white men.....
I mean... 🤡
my hormones make me out of order 25% of the month.
physically i have statistically 70% of a man's strength.
when do men go on maternity leave?
but i should be paid just as much as a man, who's 100% all the time and can do more than I can?
0:45 What utter nonsense. Women make the decision to give birth and raise children. It's not forced upon them. Do you expect other people to pay for the thing you decided to do to yourself? Besides, aren't you already being rewarded for this "unpaid work" by the propagation of your genes and getting to see your kids grow? One would think the ability to create life and nurture it would be reward enough.
To me putting a monetary value on your own children's lives seems incredibly callous. I've raised my dog since she was a pup and that was a lot of work, but I wouldn't for a moment cheapen the experience by expecting monetary compensation. My reward was giving and receiving love. And that's for a dog, not even my own offspring. I can't imagine how cold hearted you would need to be to put a price on your own kids.
If you don't want to put in the work raising kids there is a perfectly simple solution. Don't have kids. Nobody else owes you just because you couldn't control your own primal urges. That is on you.
Skippy19812 If you have a mother show her your comments. Maybe she will cry or knowing you she will probably say "well done son" but I advise you to look closer to see her disappointment to have give birth and allow something like you in this world.
My mother would agree. She didn't raise four because she expected to be paid. She did it out of love.
No, it is effort. Work is something you do for a payment.
Not really an argument.
The fact that women expect to be paid for raising their own children just shows how toxic and entitled women have become.
If you perceive taking care of children is like "a job" then you shouldn't have children at all. A job is something you wouldn't do unless you were paid for it. Do you really want payment for having children?
6:40
Is she advocating for educating children how to use knives....so when they take them to school they'll be able to shank their classmates without getting disarmed???
Wtf ?
To defend themselves and their classmates against someone with a knife.
She married a rich farmer then divorced him for the vet - apparently her husband was the worst lover in the world so she deserves half his money.
Thetrainstation isineffect she was an adulteress most of her young life. She is a vile creature
Equal rights come with equal responsibility and accountability. You don't need no man, you don't need his money either. Liberation for women from men means .en liberated from paying or being responsible for women.
Her body her right, his money her loss.
There is a difference between pay and wage in this subject. People don't get this.
Pay in this subject refers to how much one person gets per week, month, year etc.
Yes, there is a pay gap... between everyone.
Wage in this refers to hourly wage.
There is no wage gap, by law.
My wife works in a company where she's constantly teaching people (with higher paid positions than her) how to do their jobs, for years shes complained about this. She does get acknowledged and has had a raise but is often overlooked for moving up the ladder, I've explained that they'll keep her in the lower position as long as she continues to go above and beyond for people in higher positions.
As for all the unpaid work women do around the household, i honestly find it is hard to stop them doing that work, even if men decide to do that kind of work it is rarely "good enough" for the boss. I agree men would be better suited to home repairs, also the importance of "rough and tumble" play with children is heavily overlooked these days and often lumped into the nonsense term "toxic masculinity", which reduces the possibles role of fathers/men in the family. The importance of rough play and boundary test for children has been highlighted recently by the findings of the play centre in mamals
1. Women get 1/2 the share in a divorce regardless of their income and alimony in case they didn't have income.
2. Women make 60+% of all family decisions should they stay together regardless of their income.
And Germaine Greer wants employers to pay for their unpaid work outside the workplace? Answer is...they already are getting paid through the family system should they stay together or get divorced.
Does this sound like an oppressed group to you?
A married female work colleague happily admitted that her husband's wages was for the family - but her wages was for herself alone. Just thought I mention that.
All this discussion about a so called "pay gap", yet no one can give an example of where the pay gap is for like for like work.
Had no idea she was Australian
As an Australian, we are embarressed by what she has become.
Still she is a great LADY!!!
Rape is only the consequence, lack of self restrain is the cause. We need to teach our men to follow the rules
Looking after your own kids isn't unpaid work, they are YOUR kids.
Unpaid work otherwise known as voluntary work. Choose to buy a house and have a family... your responsibility.
That's basically what feminism has become.
Whining about the burden of being.
3:49 Michelle briefly catches a mild dose of Australian accent from Germaine
Why should people be paid for raising their own children?
@Walter Lawrence Yes, raising your children is primarily a selfish work, you are propagating your genes. It is of course also important to keep a society running, but thats a secondary aspect since society dosent really force you (a certain individual) to procreate. Assistance should be given if things go south, since the child, who is the one who didnt have a word in their creation, should not suffer because his/her parents are to stupid to properly raise it. A license for a child, where you have to prove that you are able to take care of a child, would be a good idea.... in a sane world. If we would put it in action today it would be used to stop certain people from having children alltogether, depending on those in power.
Taking care of kids and cooking for your family (either if it is the man or woman who does it) is not work. They are not producing a good or providing a service. They are just meeting their own basic needs for the family they chose to have. So this unpaid work is bullshit. If you expect to get money for doing that, you're expecting other people to pay you to raise your own kids. Irresponsible nonsense. Don't wanna do house work, don't have a family.
Does anyone have intel about the Irish case referenced?
Women actually get paid far more than men for the same job. If corporations could pay women less than men for the same work then only women would be hired. Corporations know women are being overpaid but you have people pushing for this in high places.
Did she say the person with the knife should be taught how to defend themselves? that is unbelievable and its even more unbelievable Jeremy did not pick her up on that, or any body in the studio.
This bloke is such a weasel .always has an agenda
There is no gender pay gap. Once all relevant factors are taken into consideration pay is even. I sat again, there is no gender pay gap.
All I heard was irrational gibberish.
What like work as no value? Work has the value the worker assigns to it, not the employer. The reason why you don't get paid for working on your life is because no one else will take your kids to school, brush their teeth etc, FFS.
taking kids to school, picking them up, cooking for your kids, that is not paid work unless you are doing it for somebody else's kids. Or, should I charge somebody If i cook for me? or if I clip my nails, if I take a shower, etc? Cleaning my house, making my bed, feeding my self, etc is not paid work, doing the same for MY kids is not paid work, doing it for somebody else it is
So women want to be paid for looking after their home and kids. Bollocks. Can I get paid for the gardening, house maintenance, car maintenance, plumbing work?
Women work less hours, do easier jobs, safer jobs, take time out from the workforce.
If anything they have more rights than men......in school and university, in preferential admissions and recruitment.
If you can't afford to have kids, don't have them.
SMH poor lady has zero grasp in economics and how individual choices work. When one becomes a couple or parent housework is to be expected. This lady is beyond insane.
Of course you have to do housework, unless... does your mother do it for you?
You're an idiot
Unpaid for looking after kids - Ha! Sort it out with your partner. Why should society (and people who don't want/have kids) pay for yours?
Sick and tired of the "women do all the work at home and not getting payed for it" story. Ok then i wanna get payed for what i do in my spare time as well..whenever i do laundry i wanna get payed, whenever i take out the trash i wanna get payed...by whom? Who cares i just want payment for things i have to do daily to maintain a good household and since i'm to comfortable to get a high paying job and maintain my 20h/week routine someone should pay me for housework and things i'm responsible for as an "INDEPENDENT". Are people going nuts?? Getting payed for things you do at home?? May i also remind you that not just women do housework? And men don't take care of their kids at all? Just working all day long, coming home eating and going to bed? Are you all out of your minds? Sick and tired of this whole schtick. You DO NOT get payed for housework and you shouldn't. Next they want payment for going out and meeting friends ..maybe this counts as "duty that's worth paying" as well...disgusting mentality.
To be fair, blokes demanded more wages as they had families to support. They didn't all blow it at the pub.
Most rape is at home? You mean, when a man pushes her wife a bit to have sex, he should be incarcerated. When a woman pushes a man to have sex, he has the duty to satisfy her or she'll have the moral right to find another guy. You can't hardly have rape between people who have agreed to share sexual acts, even less if you don't address expectations from women.
Most women do not want sex as often as men want it, therefore, we hear women complain a lot about men wanting sex with them.
@@jzwalz51robin45 I concede that, but that's no excuse to give women a de facto monopoly on the sex life, and legally punish men according to women's standards of sex. It's a mutual relationship.
Idk about that argument of pay women for the voluntary work they do so would that mean men should get paid more for paying all the bills in relationships and bring physical and financial security in most relationships it's a one sided argument that also gets rid of what men do for the relationship that comes down to people should get paid more if it's really analyzing what each person does in a relationship if they single yeah pay the same if they have the same roles do the same job at the rate and scale bring in as much money yes they should get paid the same in 99.99999% of cases they do and that's just to assume that there is probably some company that breaks laws and gets away with the women dont acknowledge it because they have more voice in society
Honestly the character and mutual respect of this conversation to me means we've achieved, in certain parts of the world, about as good equality between the sexes as you can ask for.
What the actual fuck. To stop knife crime you teach them how to use knives.....
Sorry Germaine you can't conflate work outside of work with domestic/personal responsibilities.. woman have domestic/personal/partnership responsibilities and they are a contractual deal between herself and her spouse/partner.. likewise her spouse/partner has responsibilities outside of work within agreement with her relationship which may or may not include children, so as to be (although i dislike the word) "INCLUSIVE" of all types of relationships". She is spot on about women not being able to negotiate with better pay... her connecting the dots with the history of the "naive little girl" who thinks she'll get paid well for doing a good job is almost there... It would be more scientific to conclude that physiologically women (# notallwomen) on a bell curve are higher in the personality trait - agreeableness than men - and this is just one of that factors for the pay gap.
Not buying into the unpaid work argument.
There is no discrimination- its just that not all forms of useful and valuable activity in a society are compensated by money. Thats because its simply impossible to monetise them even in principle. Stop complaining- start being more gracious towards those who do valuable things which aren't paid. End of story.
I wish my mom would be like this.
Incorrect the free market dictates how much people are worth
Woman spend 80% of the money. This is absolutely massive and a choice between couples.
Is that because women are likely doing the shopping for the family? How much of that spending is for her? What does that 80% represent?
Being a mother isn't unpaid work though. It's role bestowed upon you by nature.
So when I take a shit, is that unpaid work too?
Women should be paid for taking care of their own kids including brushing their teeth! That's great thank you. So if a man comes home from a full time job and takes the family out in the evening or weekend or holiday then he should be paid for that extra effort by the same logic. I can take this logic all the way to the bedroom if you wish!
From my understanding...... Germaine Greer wasn't making the case for women to be paid extra for 'unpaid work' or domestic duties at home! What I found interesting was she made a very good case that most feminists hate and get triggered about...... that women run the household and look after the kids! She also reiterated what Dr Jordan Peterson has been saying all along about the gender pay gap...... that women are too agreeable..... she states that in pay negotiations with employers, they don't negotiate as aggressively as men and so they loose out, thus saying they are too agreeable! As a trade union rep myself, it was odd to grow up listening to my mother say you ' do whatever your employer tells you to do without question' whereas my father told me the opposite, to not take shit from anyone and not to bow to anyone who claims rank or seniority over me! That sums up this debate for me!
Once again the assumption that women do more work than men outside the place of employment. Not everyone lives in a tiny, tidy home. Men do the great majority of work taking care of the family land, cars etcetera. Women don't even see this work because they are sheltered in the comfort of the home. Germaine doesn't get around - she mouths opinions from a limited exposure. Forget the stereotype of gender and educate yourself.
What about women who don’t have kids? Do they get lower coz they don’t do as much work?
The two journos on Greers left are so jealous lol.
You would be forgiven for thinking that all men are overpaid bastards, rapists and peodophiles and that all women are victims. The interviewer should have grown some balls and asked the woman some probing questions. Instead he was spineless and cowered. No wonder people don't watch tv anymore.
'He learnt that he was the wrost lover in the world' sounds like she's blaiming him for his wife's affair
Clearly not an expert on logic or reason.
But they are your kids. The exist because you wanted them. Nobody else demanded you to have kids. How about we switch your kids for other kids to look after.
feminism is about power. They know this. We need to fight feminists or they won't go away.
since when is picking kids up/dropping them off at school and basic meal prep and hygiene considered 'work'? Surely disciplining and teaching your children is a much more difficult task if we're going to go down that road.
Equality of opportunity is important, and not outcome - which is impossible because you cannot force people into jobs at a rate of fifty percent for each sex across the workplace. Why are people focussing on women's issues - like some debatable pay gap myth, and even indeed rape etc: yes these things need discussing, but when are we going to talk about the fact men do not report their rapes, and are not even recognised as victims in some countries - in the UK until recently it was called 'sexual assault' on a man, and 'rape' for a woman. There is also the way we prioritise women over men. For all men globally there is: a huge manual labour gap, more men dying at work, accidents at work, men working illegally long hours, higher rates of violence against men by men, murder, homelessness, higher rates of addiction, lower average of educational performance, stabbing one another, children literally stolen in divorce, pressed into warfare, and executed or persecuted for homosexuality - try being a gay man compared to a gay woman - anywhere. Feminism had its rightful position. Many good things have been achieved. Now look overseas and help the women there, and let's look to our men for their rights and needs.
i should be payed for haveing to watch this ,
joe daly You should pay for a course in the English language.
That is literally what she is asking for as many housewives live on daytime TV