A Thoughtful (yet Humorous) Response to Redeemed Zoomer's "Understanding Baptists"

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КОМЕНТАРІ • 25

  • @BiblicallyDestiny
    @BiblicallyDestiny 3 місяці тому +11

    Brother caught me so off guard with the “I’m Gavin Ortlund” 😂

  • @shawngillogly6873
    @shawngillogly6873 3 місяці тому +8

    This was a profitable listen. The "High Church/Low Church" distinction, aside from liturgy/liturgical calendar, is almost useless in a modern context.

  • @postbarone
    @postbarone 2 місяці тому +4

    Love that you guys are a group of Particular Baptists! Looking forward to the future of this channel

    • @PlantChrist
      @PlantChrist  2 місяці тому

      Thanks man! Glad to have you joining us!

  • @ChristiansColloquy
    @ChristiansColloquy 2 місяці тому +2

    Gavin Ortlund, Oliver Cromwell, and Christmas Evans critiquing RZ and promoting high church Aztec liturgy? Postmill confirmed.

  • @johnjosephmanimtim2853
    @johnjosephmanimtim2853 3 місяці тому +7

    Can you have discussion with RZ about Particular Baptists being reformed in a true sense?

    • @PlantChrist
      @PlantChrist  3 місяці тому +6

      I will consider having this discussion, I have been meaning to have it for sometime.

  • @Ldgreggbell
    @Ldgreggbell Місяць тому

    Great channel, I've found my people.

  • @reformedholycannoli
    @reformedholycannoli 2 місяці тому +1

    Hmmmmmmmmmm.....let him cook?

  • @hrvatska8786
    @hrvatska8786 3 місяці тому +3

    Hey Brothers, I currently struggle with the issue of evanescent grace and its implications on perseverance and assurance. You mentioned it briefly in the video, so I wanted to ask you, what’s your exact view on it.

    • @PlantChrist
      @PlantChrist  3 місяці тому +5

      So Calvin speaks of evanescent grace in regards to that ground (reference to the Parable of the Sower) which the seeds sprouts for a time but the cares of the world snatch it away from being fruitful.
      In regards to election and assurance, we can have two tiers of assurance intra nos (inside of us) and extra nos (outside of us):
      1. Extra nos: God's decree that all his chosen ones will persevere, His Son purchases our redemption of our sin and condemnation. The Word of God creates faith within us who are his and will cause us to conversion by the power of His indwelling Spirit leading true believers to a conviction, holiness, and sanctification. The sacraments are visible promises that are given to us, in that when we believe what they signify, we will have the invisible assurance granted to us by the blessing of Christ.
      2. Intra nos: Our fruits of our faith will justify our faith (as an evidence), and our fruits will be found genuine while we continue to persevere to the end.
      "Therefore, brothers, strive to make your calling and election sure. For if you practice these things you will never stumble,"
      2 Peter 1:10
      also read the 1689's OF SAVING FAITH (14) : reformedstandards.com/second-london/1689-confession.html

    • @PlantChrist
      @PlantChrist  3 місяці тому +2

      resistingthewinds.substack.com/p/did-calvin-teach-god-deceives-people?r=2zg98h&triedRedirect=true

  • @christopherwilliams7025
    @christopherwilliams7025 3 місяці тому +3

    do you have any resources or channels that discuss the historical treatment of baptism in the early church?

    • @PlantChrist
      @PlantChrist  3 місяці тому +3

      Yes! Everett Ferguson's "Baptism in the Early Church"
      I have the pdf if you want it, archive.org no longer has it free. email me here:
      theparticularbaptistpublishing@gmail.com

    • @christopherwilliams7025
      @christopherwilliams7025 3 місяці тому +2

      ​@@PlantChrist Thanks! Just sent it.

    • @PlantChrist
      @PlantChrist  3 місяці тому +1

      @@christopherwilliams7025 Should be in your inbox :)

  • @kardzYT
    @kardzYT 3 місяці тому

    0 baptists before the 16th century.

    • @PlantChrist
      @PlantChrist  3 місяці тому +11

      John the Baptist?
      You dropped this: L

    • @kardzYT
      @kardzYT 3 місяці тому

      @@PlantChrist Thats literally the dumbest thing ive ever heard. Word concept fallacy. Heard of it? 🤡
      Did the apostles baptize only adults or does the text say they baptized ENTIRE HOUSEHOLDS...
      Here you dropped this: *Heretical views*

    • @Joshua12w2o
      @Joshua12w2o 2 місяці тому +2

      @@kardzYTst gregory nazianzen the Baptist existed

    • @kardzYT
      @kardzYT 2 місяці тому

      @@Joshua12w2o Do you protestants NOT know what the word concept fallacy is? Do you seriously think that JUST because they are called "x the baptist" that means they have modern baptist theology? Tell me where did St Gregory say that the Bible is the ultimate authority on Earth? That babies shouldnt be inducted into the Body of Christ? That the Eucharist was not the Body and Blood of Christ? I would really like to know how a Church Father in the 4th century had ties to a heretical offshoot of the already heretical roman catholicism in the 16th century. I would really like to know.

    • @ParticularBaptist
      @ParticularBaptist 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@kardzYTDid the apostles baptize unbelieving adults and children?