I am regulary coming back to this post and also on 7 and 5 chanel buying guide. Those are all as a set very practical posts, not just for buy. They became my reference data for all sorts of information. So, great job Ealan! Great job. Respect.
I got a used Yamaha RX-A3080 for $950 early this year. The receiver was over my budget, but too good of a deal to pass up. I just love it, and will probably last me a decade. I just finished finding deals and setting up all 7.2.4 speakers/subs + an external 3 channel amp. My dad has a 5.1.2 setup, so it's really cool to see the difference. I'm following your advice and finally EXPERIENCING my movies!
I went from the Marantz NR1711 (7.2) to the Cinema 50. It's complete overkill for my 5.1 system. Mostly because i use a Parasound 2 channel amp on the left and right and an Outlaw 2200 for the center. I will say I love the 50, it looks great, headroom to expand, and it should last a long time. I keep telling myself to lose the external amps but the music sounds so good!
Hey Elan, one of the differences between these otherwise similar AVR’s are their DAC’s. I’d love to explore the differences, and what difference it makes to sound/end user experience.
Yes that would be something I rarely see anyone tackle.I suppose it's because its so subjective but it would be great for users to have a base line on which of these might be bright vs. warm etc.
Great video. I picked up the 7015 a while back when you posted it was on sale on Amazon just accumulating some components to start my first home theater when my house is finished being built. Thanks again for your informative videos
@@arso111 Well, just FYI… 1) the SR7015 doesn’t support front wides, so it can only support up to a 7.2.4 system. And 2) the new-ish BasX A11 is a great way to power an entire system like that. Otherwise, the Monoprice Monolith 11-Channel amp is a beast. Although that one has 3 200-watt amps (for front soundstage), and 8 100-watt amps for the rest. 🤷♂️
Great video! I picked up the 6700h at Best buy for $1500 yesterday for one of their early black Friday deals. So stay frosty out there if in the market. Prices change and sell out quickly this time of year.
I don't know why, but here in Switzerland the Pioneer VSX-LX305 is an absolut steal. It is regularly priced at around 600$ (after conversion), while all others mentioned in this video are similary priced. At a budget: would you recommend picking this one over the Onkyo (even when at sale)?
I read a comment that mentioned the Pioneer limits crossovers to groups of speakers, as opposed to the Onkyo which lets you select crossovers for each speaker individually. Don’t know if that would matter a whole lot to you, but if not, might as well go with the LX305 since it’s so much cheaper there. 🤷♂️
@@ealanosborne Thank you for the advice. Am running a set of monitor audio radius 90 speakers - so all are the same size. I still haven't decided if I should keep the system and upgrade the avr, or sell alltogether and switch to Sonys HT-A9. Since I am moving and the setup would be much easier. Any thoughts on the A9?
Great video! For H/T diehards who chose a Samsung display (like me) the Sonys will not passthrough HDR10+. So if you stream a lot of HDR10+ content from AppleTV+ or Amazon Prime to your Samsung display or have a Panasonic 4k player, Sony may not be the best option.
Hi Elan, I agreed with you that the RZ70 is way too expensive when considering the RZ50 can be had for about $900 when it is on sale. If the RZ70 had XLR inputs + outputs, that would make the high price a bit more reasonable. Same goes with Marantz, the Cinema 40 should have XLR outputs and a better DAC than the Denon 4800H when there is $1000 difference between the two. These days cheap AVRs ($ 300-500) are considering good buy since they offer tons of features when comparing to some high end AVRs from 5-6 years ago. On the other hand, the mid high end AVRs ($2000-3000) that we see are kind of ripped off since they are basically the low end AVRs but with more outputs and a bigger heatsink, but we need to pay so much more. We need to pay premium nowadays for a high end to get something that is built like a tank and has all kinds of outputs + a nice DAC. And even if we get a high end AVR, the stereo performance is still no match to a $1500 integrated amplifier. There are just my opinions.
Onkyo 7100. Most inexpensive 9 Channel AVR on the market (especially when you catch it on sale), Dirac Live room correction built in, THX certified, etc. 🤘
I just have the Sony STR-DH770 a 7.2 basic affordable receiver that’s been good to me for the past 7 years. It’s only about 67 watts at 8 ohms two channels driven. I have it running a 5.1 system and never felt it was short in power in my small living room. All of the good I hear 360 audio software makes me want to get the Sony AZ3000ES. Even without the pre-outs its probably overkill for me but I would probably have it quite a while. Given the 42 lbs the receiver weighs I would assume it’s built from high quality components and would last quite a while. Longer than I would need it for. Might be worth the extra money paid.
Hi. I need advice and recommendations. Currently I have a Denon AVC-X3600H connected as a preamplifier to EMOTIVA XPA-11 GEN3. Which processor do you recommend (at a reasonable price) to fully use the potential of the 11-channel power amplifier?
Awesome comparison and great guide for many enthusiasts. There is something for everyone. A little challenge question: I know sound is subjective but from all what you tested and listened, which receiver do you prefer for movies and which one you liked most for music and why (money aside)?
Oof…loaded question. 😄 After reviewing the Sony AZ3000ES, I wish I could’ve experienced movies with the raw power of external amps + 360 Spatial Sound Mapping with an AZ7000ES. And I haven’t reviewed something with a high end DAC like an Anthem AVR, but I really enjoyed the slim form factor of the Marantz Cinema 70s + external amps for front L/R in Pure Direct Mode when I listened to CDs in my theater. ♥️ Although of course I’d love to experience a Trinnov Altitude 32 to see what all the fuss is about. 😂
@@ealanosborne indeed Sony missed a great opportunity to lure more customers by not adding a full set of pre outs. Lot’s of positive reviews about the spatial sound though.
Ealan, I have had the RZ50 since it came out. I like the sound of movie but music lacks a bit and switching, like CEC, is clunky and slow. Curious on your opinion if the Sony ES 5000 would be an upgrade? Also my room, like many is not ideal for surround so was wondering if Sony’s virtual process would be a plus.
Hard to say, really. Those 2 AVRs are fairly comparable. But, since you mentioned music, the AZ5000ES may be slightly better in that regard, since in under the parent company of Onkyo, Pioneer and Integra, the Pioneer AVRs are a little more music-friendly, and the Onkyos are more for movies.
Loved the detailed information on this buying guide, wish you would have added Emotiva with it, would have liked to hear your responses on their new intergrated receivers / processors.
Listening to them talk about it is one thing of course it’s their creativity. But I would rather hear something from you on it which would be unbiased. Thanks looking forward to you doing a review on their gear.❤
Hi, thanks for the great information. I’d love to buy a sony es str-az7000es but I’m in the UK. Any idea why we can’t get these over here, or when we will be able to? Cheers!
Thanks, your subscriber from Kenya 🇰🇪, East Africa. My question, amongst Integra 3.4 9.2 vs Sony AZ3000ES 9.2 vs Denon XR 3800H 9.4 which one is value for money that you would recommend, in terms of features and future proof and lastly, match with Klipsch RP II speakers?! Thanks.
I'd say the best between those 3 would be the Denon X3800H since it has support for up to 4 subwoofers and Auro 3D on top of all the other features that the Sony and Integra also have. Yes, the Integra has Dirac Live already built in, but the X3800H supports Dirac Live for an additional fee (if you want to spend the extra money). But I still think it's the best bargain today since it has basically everything you'd want in an AVR that can support up to a 7.4.4 immersive audio system. :)
I really appreciate this advice, as you have now sorted for me the AVR dilemma. Kindly the next one, is the Klipsch RP II series (3rd gen, right?) to match with the Denon XR 3800H? - 5.1.2 (short term) Kindly take note, my current rented apartment, living room is an 11ft x 11ft + 8.5" ceiling slab, first floor. Also, I am currently building a 3 bedroom house with roughly the same living room measurements, that is, 12ft x 14ft + 9ft ceiling (bungalow) - In short, Small-Medium, max! Taking into consideration the above, Step 1: (Immediate purchase) AVR + Which Klipsch RP II Centre Channel? Step 2: L & R (FL or Book shelves??) Klipsch RP II series (small prints for the Small-Medium living room; best value for the buck w/o compromising on the quality? Step 3. The Klipsch RP II series Sub - Woofer (10" or 12"??) STEP 4: Dolby Atmos Klipsch RP II speakers? TIMELINE: 1 year, God willing. STEP 4: Surrounds - Mono, Dipo or Tripo (les)?! To mount on either side, against the wall, above the ear level, as the living room set up has no back - What is supposed to be back is the main door entrance to the house! My current TV is the Sony X80L 65", 2023 Model.
I’m deciding between RZ50 + Emotiva amp for LRC channels or iota AVX17 + Emotiva amp, both in 7.2.4 configuration. Do you think the additional cost (around 1k USD) will translate into a big sound difference? If it was you, which way you’d go?
If you want easy to setup yet AMAZING Dirac Live room correction, or you need next gen gaming features like 4K/120 Hz, VRR, ALLM, etc, I’d go for the RZ50. If you just want some raw audio bliss with a little more manual tinkering involved with room correction, and you want the option of RCA and XLR outputs, AVX17 might be for you. At the moment, I’d personally stick with my AVX17, just because I don’t own a PS5 or XBOX Series X. But if that changes anytime soon, I’d probably look at something with more modern features. Maybe leaning towards Arcam or Anthem with their hybrid AVR/preamp topologies and premium DACs, since any other straight preamp processor (other than Emotiva, Tonewinner or IOTA) jumps WAY up in price (a la Storm Audio or Trinnov). Although of course I wouldn’t say no to a Trinnov that was gifted to me. 😄🤘
Hi, where can I get / download a media to test a 9 or 11 channel Atmos configuration. I have a setup with denon x3800h and 5.1.4 speaker. All the blurays I have are 5.1 or 7.1, I can't activate all the speakers. thanks
Extremely satisfied with my SR6015 that I got for €1000,- as it is an outgoing model. Love! the pre-outs. ❤ (got a Crown XLS1502 for mains) XLR outs would've been nice for the sub, but hey, can't have it all....
Hello Elan greetings from Ecuador . I have a question ,what do you Elan prefer if you have to decide onkyo nr 7100 or rz50 vs sony ez 3000 if you are on the budget
The RZ50 is the best long-term budget option, since it has pre outs to be able to use external amps when you decide to upgrade your speakers and need more power. That way you don’t need to get a new AVR to handle those upgrades. 🙌
whats the difference between the Onkyo TX-NR797 and the NR7100... the specs are almost IDENTICAL except the NR7100 has Dirac live.. ... the reason i am asking is the NR797 is on sale for $400..
The 7100 is more updated, with HDMI 2.1 support, 8K upscaling, 4K 120 Hz & next-gen gaming features like Auto Low Latency Mode, etc. If those features are important, then that’s what you’ll probably need. Otherwise, the 797 is still a good option, even now.
It's all a matter of what you like. I had the Yamaha A6A and gave it back before 90 days. The display is so small for me and many of my friends is basically useless. The Pioneer differs in another distinct way from Onkyo - Pioneer does not afford you the ability to adjust the crossovers independently. I found this strange. Amps are similar for all models. And the only manufacturer ( both Onkyo and Pioneer ) that has built in Dirac Live built in - the difference is HUGE compared to AccuEQ. . Never had Arcam. Interested though.
Does it truely cause a problem unless you use different speakers on the same group such as left side surround and right side surround? I'd assume 99% of people with such AVRs would have matching speakers in positions like fronts, side surrounds, rear surrounds.
@@sardasertOf course it causes an issue. Location of L-R can be different, therefore without independent crossover control of all speakers this becomes a huge issue.
@@Audiomainia2310 wait, I thought crossover setting is about "on what Hz AVR should start sending the signal to subwoofer". location or position of identical L-R speakers should not make any difference on crossover settings. ( like 80hz crossover is ok for most decent home theater speakers ) Why would anyone want to set 80hz on one speaker (for example: front left) and 100hz on other (front right in this example), if they are matching speakers their crossover would be same. I still don't get why would it be a problem.
@@sardasert Because naturally the L - R are set to the same crossovers, but you could as I do have a different center and surrounds. Without the ability to actively change crossovers dependent on how low / high they need to cross for the subs, it will never sound balanced. Pioneer does not allow you to change the crossovers. I don't know how much more succinctly I can explain myself when others get it the first time.
It is pretty cool, IMO, since having 4 heights is what Atmos was mixed in, typically, so it’s close to the director’s intention. That and having 4 heights completes the “cube” shape that Atmos objects can more accurately move around in. 🤘
@@ealanosborne I'm leaning towards the pioneer VSX-LX305 it's the cheapest 9 channel receiver I've come across that has HDMI 2.1. Amazon has it for $671
Hey Elan, you mentioned that the 3800h and 4800h can use 6 height channels, but, you said why? I use the 6 height channel feature. Is 4 better, to be able to connect back surrounds instead? Just curious why you mentioned that. Keep up the good reviews!
If you have a long room or multiple rows of seats, then yes, 6 height channels will make a difference. But typically if your AVR can only support up to 11 channels, you’ll have a more immersive experience with a 7.x.4 system, since height effects can sometimes be pretty sparse compared to 7 ear-level speakers that will be engaged much more frequently. 🤘
@@ealanosborne Prior to getting the 3800h, I still had 6 height channels, but, had 2 connected to the AVR, which gave me 4 frt height channels and 2 rear, with 2 back surrounds. As an experiment, I could make that connection again just to see how it would sound. I just don’t want to run 2 lines for the back surrounds. I do have a back row, and for the first time, I sat back there and watched Morbius. I was pleasantly surprised at what I heard. Q: If I did BS, they would be under my rear heights. I could pull them a few inches from the back wall. Suggestions?
@@wendellwendellb339 Yeah, since you have rear heights, it’d be best to have your Surround Backs right at ear level so you have good separation between ear-level and height speakers. Having multiple rows like you do, it’s best to have side surrounds and back surrounds to really pull off an enveloping soundstage. But if it’s too much of a hassle, no worries. You’ll still get a great soundstage with a 5.x.6 system.
DSP - are there any receivers with built-in DSP's? Not basic bass/treble knobs, but customization like you get with miniDSP for example. Really enjoy your videos. Thanks.
Well, they do, but they’re not that robust. Fixed EQ frequencies to choose from, some AVRs having more bands to work with than others. But you’d def get much more customization and features for more precise adjustments with a MiniDSP.
@@ealanosborne Any reason to not use a DSP? They seem like a great add on to any sound system. Perhaps you could do a video on DSP's. Thanks for all the help.
@@hazembata Nah, everyone should use a DSP if they can afford it. Everyone’s room is different, so adding DSP in the signal chain tames the anomalies that your room is guaranteed to have when multiple speakers are at play. You should check out my buddy’s channel - Home Theater Gamer - who has done quite a few deep dives on MiniDSP content. 🎉🙌
kindly advise i have 7 channel power amp and can i assign my front, center, and surround and surround back total 7 speakers to my preouts settings and rest 4 channels to my main AVR, and choose 11.1 assign mode in the speakers/amp setting? without adding extra 2 channels to my external amp? OR what will be best setting. Thank you
I assume you have a Denon or Marantz AVR? If so, yes! You are correct with your logic. You can power all 7 of your ear-level speakers with your external amp (11.1 amp assign mode), and power the heights with the corresponding internal amps of the AVR.
Ehh, I already got an a1h shortly after that kit released, in April or May of this year, where I am still trying to find a movie that uses that many channels, if you would have a suggestion I am all ears, I presently have a 9/7.2.6 set up, that can grow to a 9.2.9 set up, if that ever becomes possible or useful…
Hmmm…well, regardless of channel count, a good Atmos mix should conform to as many speakers as you have, in theory. But yeah, not all mixes actually do that, I know. I haven’t tested out a configuration as large as yours, but Godzilla vs Kong came out of my front wides a LOT, as well as Dune and The Matrix. You also might want to check out DTS:X mixes, since the A1H supports the DTS:X Pro rendering engine. All the Jurassic Park/World franchise films are DTS:X. Bad Boys for Life, Jumanji: The Next Level, Zombieland: Double Tap, The Cornetto Trilogy (Shaun of the Dead, Hot Fuzz, The World’s End), and the Harry Potter saga are DTS:X mixes, too (on 4K Blu-ray, that is…). 🎉🤘
@@ealanosborne hmm, I will have to dedicate some time, to watch some movies, since I already have a lot of them…since I have been buying a number of blue rays in the past year or two… so I really need to take some time and just watch movies, since I haven’t actually sat down and watched a movie I think since avatar released, which wasn’t at all a reference film at least when it comes to Atmos. I have Dune, matrix, and Godzilla vs Kong, I have all of the Jurassic park movies, Jumanji, and all of the Harry Potter movies mainly since I grew up reading those books, but I had herd a lot of people questioning if the DTS:x upgrade was worth it, for a number of them, but I haven’t actually sat down to watch them, so my plan will probably be to watch the LotR trilogy in 4K, Harry Potter saga in 4K, at some point, within the next few months…
Hey Ealan! Thanks for the video! I just bought a Pioneer vsx-lx503 + a sony str-dh190 for a very nice price (500usd) and im using a 7.2.4 configuration with my paradigm studio speakers. do u know how this avr compares with the more modern models?
Comparing the LX503 and LX505 is basically the updated HDMI 2.1 chipset and next gen gaming features (4K/120Hz, VRR, ALLM), but more importantly, Dirac Live room correction, which is much better than MCACC.
@@ealanosborne I’m using REW to manually calibrate. And connecting vrr pc direct to my Oled for the video and using another hdmi to the receiver for the audio for better results than eArc. Besides these things is the quality overall the same?
I believe you would notice a difference, like I noticed a different in clarity, channel separation and detail. And I didn’t have to turn the system up as loud to hear those details since more power was being fed to each speaker. 🎉
I am waiting for the next generation Yamaha AVRs as none of the current models have features that I need since I need the ability to use my cassette deck. If that does not happen then I will seek out an Aventage RX-A3080.
That much is obvious. The problem comes with recording which requires setting the Zone 2 outputs to fixed or using an HDMI audio extractor, which I am happy that my Yamaha Aventage RX-A760 does. I would like to point out that while Yamaha pushes the high slew rate amplifiers in their latest Aventage the A760 is right there with them.
My new receiver has to have 2 pre-outs ... so, after i watch 7 chanel buying guide, Sony AN1000 gets me very interested. But in EU for me the cheapest price option for Sony AN1000 is 830 eur (even on salle) ... the DENON 9.4 channel X3800H with all the pre-outs i get for 900 eur. So, is Sony still the better option for me?
@@ealanosborne I find it interesting that you took the time to answer. Thank you for that. I appreciate and am honored. Unfortunately for me, AV electronics prices are much more expensive in the EU than in the US. For example, a new Sony 75X90L TV costs me from 2400 to 2600 euros. In the US half off that or even less when there are on sales, i think. What influence does the brand have? That signature sound of the brand. Because some swear by Marantz, others by Denon or would prefer Onkyo and never Denon between these two (i love to have Onkyo RZ50, but is 1600 eur). Is it possible sometimes to say, for example that a lower ranked Sony AVR could have better sound than a higher ranked Denon? Because Sony is Sony. Of course, I have in mind amateur home theaters. Greetings.
I’m trying to get my hands on one soon so I can know for myself, but I hear Arcam is excellent for music with the audiophile DACs inside. Marantz, Pioneer & Yamaha are known for their musicality as well.
A remark about the Denons, the older gen 6700 has really old and ugly (by comparison) GUI, which you will be seeing a lot during normal operations. All Denons and Marantz models have the same HEOS music streaming app/system, I'm yet to meet anyone who is happy with it, comparing to e.g. BlueOS or even WIM. The RZ50 is a really good AVR, but being developed in 2021 it probably going to be replaced sometimes soon.
Incorrect. The 13 channel Sony powers all the speakers. You DO NOT need a separate amp for any speakers. Of course, you might want a separate amp, but you don’t need it.
Anthem is outstanding if you want one of the best EQ Genesis and sound system! Fantastic comparison thank you, could you please rank them! Which one can drive 4 Ohm speakers with only 85db sensitivity! Denon is overpriced compared to Onkyo!
@@MrNeville78 For Bluetooth and Sub Out you’ll need something like the Bluesound Node to stream music through and to connect a subwoofer. Then the Bluesound Node will connect to the 8 channel distribution amp to output that audio to your 8 in-ceiling speakers. Question: Are these 8 in-ceiling speakers all in the same room? Or in different rooms?
it will depend on your setup, if you have multiple 4k/8k sources (consoles+PCs etc.) your TV might not have enough hdmi 2.1 ports, or you might have a tv without DTS support and your sources might have DTS thus you want to send the signal first to your AVR then to your TV thus needing 4k/8k/DV/HDR support.
Not really a must to have Dirac Live. Their own calibration software seems to do a good job from what I hear. I have a basic 7.2 Sony from 7 years ago and set it up manually and I like the sound but is missing quite a few features I wish it had. Considering this AZ3000ES.
A round of applause 👏 for Ealan for doing these buyer guides. What a guy! Amirite?
Absolutely the best AVR review ever made! Thank you Ealan!
Thank you!!! 🎉
I am regulary coming back to this post and also on 7 and 5 chanel buying guide. Those are all as a set very practical posts, not just for buy. They became my reference data for all sorts of information. So, great job Ealan! Great job. Respect.
Thank you so much! 🙌
I have been making myself sick shopping for a 9 channel.. THANK YOU for making this guide!!! I am heavy music with some movies.
Nice! Glad I could help! 😀
I got a used Yamaha RX-A3080 for $950 early this year. The receiver was over my budget, but too good of a deal to pass up. I just love it, and will probably last me a decade. I just finished finding deals and setting up all 7.2.4 speakers/subs + an external 3 channel amp. My dad has a 5.1.2 setup, so it's really cool to see the difference. I'm following your advice and finally EXPERIENCING my movies!
Whoooaaaa!!! Thank you for sharing! That’s a rad setup! 🎉🙌
I went from the Marantz NR1711 (7.2) to the Cinema 50. It's complete overkill for my 5.1 system. Mostly because i use a Parasound 2 channel amp on the left and right and an Outlaw 2200 for the center. I will say I love the 50, it looks great, headroom to expand, and it should last a long time. I keep telling myself to lose the external amps but the music sounds so good!
Nah, man! Keep those external amps! They really do help, despite the Cinema 50’s performance on its own. 🤘
Hey Elan, one of the differences between these otherwise similar AVR’s are their DAC’s. I’d love to explore the differences, and what difference it makes to sound/end user experience.
Yes that would be something I rarely see anyone tackle.I suppose it's because its so subjective but it would be great for users to have a base line on which of these might be bright vs. warm etc.
Great video. I picked up the 7015 a while back when you posted it was on sale on Amazon just accumulating some components to start my first home theater when my house is finished being built. Thanks again for your informative videos
Awesome! Happy home theater building! 😁🎉
What Amp would you recommend to go with Marantz 7015 it for a solid audiophile set of 9.2.2 ?
I just picked up the Monoprice 5 channel. It’s on sale now.
@@arso111 Well, just FYI… 1) the SR7015 doesn’t support front wides, so it can only support up to a 7.2.4 system. And 2) the new-ish BasX A11 is a great way to power an entire system like that. Otherwise, the Monoprice Monolith 11-Channel amp is a beast. Although that one has 3 200-watt amps (for front soundstage), and 8 100-watt amps for the rest. 🤷♂️
Great video! I picked up the 6700h at Best buy for $1500 yesterday for one of their early black Friday deals. So stay frosty out there if in the market. Prices change and sell out quickly this time of year.
What a deal! 🎉🎄
Great and self-explanatory video! Could you continue the series with avr pre-amp/processors and then dedicated amplifiers? Thank you very much
Best 9 channel avr is the rz50 especially if your using it as a processor with a external amp
Agree, although I would add Yamaha A6A as an option for the winner, as Yama sounds better in music.
I don't know why, but here in Switzerland the Pioneer VSX-LX305 is an absolut steal. It is regularly priced at around 600$ (after conversion), while all others mentioned in this video are similary priced. At a budget: would you recommend picking this one over the Onkyo (even when at sale)?
I read a comment that mentioned the Pioneer limits crossovers to groups of speakers, as opposed to the Onkyo which lets you select crossovers for each speaker individually. Don’t know if that would matter a whole lot to you, but if not, might as well go with the LX305 since it’s so much cheaper there. 🤷♂️
@@ealanosborne Thank you for the advice. Am running a set of monitor audio radius 90 speakers - so all are the same size.
I still haven't decided if I should keep the system and upgrade the avr, or sell alltogether and switch to Sonys HT-A9. Since I am moving and the setup would be much easier.
Any thoughts on the A9?
Hi. Just a quick update, The Pioneer Elite LX805 and Onkyo RZ70 support Auro 3D as well.
Really appreciate and enjoy your AVR buying guides, would love it too if you could make a AV processor buying guide...
Awesome review, Man. Keep up the great work!👊
Thank you!
Great video! For H/T diehards who chose a Samsung display (like me) the Sonys will not passthrough HDR10+. So if you stream a lot of HDR10+ content from AppleTV+ or Amazon Prime to your Samsung display or have a Panasonic 4k player, Sony may not be the best option.
Nice info. Bought a Yamaha RX-A 2080 refurb for $750. Love it.
Hi Elan, I agreed with you that the RZ70 is way too expensive when considering the RZ50 can be had for about $900 when it is on sale. If the RZ70 had XLR inputs + outputs, that would make the high price a bit more reasonable. Same goes with Marantz, the Cinema 40 should have XLR outputs and a better DAC than the Denon 4800H when there is $1000 difference between the two. These days cheap AVRs ($ 300-500) are considering good buy since they offer tons of features when comparing to some high end AVRs from 5-6 years ago. On the other hand, the mid high end AVRs ($2000-3000) that we see are kind of ripped off since they are basically the low end AVRs but with more outputs and a bigger heatsink, but we need to pay so much more. We need to pay premium nowadays for a high end to get something that is built like a tank and has all kinds of outputs + a nice DAC. And even if we get a high end AVR, the stereo performance is still no match to a $1500 integrated amplifier. There are just my opinions.
Hi Ealan wich AVR Do you recommend for the klipsch reference cinema system 5.1.4 for Music mainly But also movie
Onkyo 7100. Most inexpensive 9 Channel AVR on the market (especially when you catch it on sale), Dirac Live room correction built in, THX certified, etc. 🤘
I just have the Sony STR-DH770 a 7.2 basic affordable receiver that’s been good to me for the past 7 years. It’s only about 67 watts at 8 ohms two channels driven. I have it running a 5.1 system and never felt it was short in power in my small living room. All of the good I hear 360 audio software makes me want to get the Sony AZ3000ES. Even without the pre-outs its probably overkill for me but I would probably have it quite a while. Given the 42 lbs the receiver weighs I would assume it’s built from high quality components and would last quite a while. Longer than I would need it for. Might be worth the extra money paid.
I believe it’ll be great! It’s not just about the power, it’s about immersive audio, and the 3000ES with 360 Spatial Sound Mapping is excellent! 🤘
Hi. I need advice and recommendations. Currently I have a Denon AVC-X3600H connected as a preamplifier to EMOTIVA XPA-11 GEN3. Which processor do you recommend (at a reasonable price) to fully use the potential of the 11-channel power amplifier?
Awesome comparison and great guide for many enthusiasts. There is something for everyone. A little challenge question: I know sound is subjective but from all what you tested and listened, which receiver do you prefer for movies and which one you liked most for music and why (money aside)?
Oof…loaded question. 😄 After reviewing the Sony AZ3000ES, I wish I could’ve experienced movies with the raw power of external amps + 360 Spatial Sound Mapping with an AZ7000ES.
And I haven’t reviewed something with a high end DAC like an Anthem AVR, but I really enjoyed the slim form factor of the Marantz Cinema 70s + external amps for front L/R in Pure Direct Mode when I listened to CDs in my theater. ♥️
Although of course I’d love to experience a Trinnov Altitude 32 to see what all the fuss is about. 😂
@@ealanosborne indeed Sony missed a great opportunity to lure more customers by not adding a full set of pre outs. Lot’s of positive reviews about the spatial sound though.
Awesome overview, thank you!
You're welcome!
Ealan, I have had the RZ50 since it came out. I like the sound of movie but music lacks a bit and switching, like CEC, is clunky and slow. Curious on your opinion if the Sony ES 5000 would be an upgrade? Also my room, like many is not ideal for surround so was wondering if Sony’s virtual process would be a plus.
Hard to say, really. Those 2 AVRs are fairly comparable. But, since you mentioned music, the AZ5000ES may be slightly better in that regard, since in under the parent company of Onkyo, Pioneer and Integra, the Pioneer AVRs are a little more music-friendly, and the Onkyos are more for movies.
Loved the detailed information on this buying guide, wish you would have added Emotiva with it, would have liked to hear your responses on their new intergrated receivers / processors.
Yeah, my bad. Totally spaced the MR1 since it’s their first AVR. 🤦♂️😄
Listening to them talk about it is one thing of course it’s their creativity. But I would rather hear something from you on it which would be unbiased. Thanks looking forward to you doing a review on their gear.❤
@@jamescampbell2279 I know Cheap Audio Man has! Check out his review!
I just picked up the Pioneer VSX LX305 for $500 it's also on sale on amazon for around $600. You can't go wrong getting one at this price.
I agree! Nice grab! 🎉
Hi, thanks for the great information. I’d love to buy a sony es str-az7000es but I’m in the UK. Any idea why we can’t get these over here, or when we will be able to? Cheers!
Weird! I have no clue why the UK is getting the cold shoulder from Sony! 🤔
Thanks, your subscriber from Kenya 🇰🇪, East Africa.
My question, amongst Integra 3.4 9.2 vs Sony AZ3000ES 9.2 vs Denon XR 3800H 9.4 which one is value for money that you would recommend, in terms of features and future proof and lastly, match with Klipsch RP II speakers?! Thanks.
I'd say the best between those 3 would be the Denon X3800H since it has support for up to 4 subwoofers and Auro 3D on top of all the other features that the Sony and Integra also have. Yes, the Integra has Dirac Live already built in, but the X3800H supports Dirac Live for an additional fee (if you want to spend the extra money). But I still think it's the best bargain today since it has basically everything you'd want in an AVR that can support up to a 7.4.4 immersive audio system. :)
I really appreciate this advice, as you have now sorted for me the AVR dilemma.
Kindly the next one, is the Klipsch RP II series (3rd gen, right?) to match with the Denon XR 3800H? - 5.1.2 (short term)
Kindly take note, my current rented apartment, living room is an 11ft x 11ft + 8.5" ceiling slab, first floor.
Also, I am currently building a 3 bedroom house with roughly the same living room measurements, that is, 12ft x 14ft + 9ft ceiling (bungalow) - In short, Small-Medium, max!
Taking into consideration the above,
Step 1: (Immediate purchase)
AVR + Which Klipsch RP II Centre Channel?
Step 2:
L & R (FL or Book shelves??) Klipsch RP II series (small prints for the Small-Medium living room; best value for the buck w/o compromising on the quality?
Step 3.
The Klipsch RP II series Sub - Woofer (10" or 12"??)
STEP 4:
Dolby Atmos Klipsch RP II speakers?
TIMELINE: 1 year, God willing.
STEP 4:
Surrounds - Mono, Dipo or Tripo (les)?!
To mount on either side, against the wall, above the ear level, as the living room set up has no back - What is supposed to be back is the main door entrance to the house!
My current TV is the Sony X80L 65", 2023 Model.
I’m deciding between RZ50 + Emotiva amp for LRC channels or iota AVX17 + Emotiva amp, both in 7.2.4 configuration. Do you think the additional cost (around 1k USD) will translate into a big sound difference? If it was you, which way you’d go?
If you want easy to setup yet AMAZING Dirac Live room correction, or you need next gen gaming features like 4K/120 Hz, VRR, ALLM, etc, I’d go for the RZ50. If you just want some raw audio bliss with a little more manual tinkering involved with room correction, and you want the option of RCA and XLR outputs, AVX17 might be for you.
At the moment, I’d personally stick with my AVX17, just because I don’t own a PS5 or XBOX Series X. But if that changes anytime soon, I’d probably look at something with more modern features. Maybe leaning towards Arcam or Anthem with their hybrid AVR/preamp topologies and premium DACs, since any other straight preamp processor (other than Emotiva, Tonewinner or IOTA) jumps WAY up in price (a la Storm Audio or Trinnov). Although of course I wouldn’t say no to a Trinnov that was gifted to me. 😄🤘
Just wait till Ealan shows us the 88 channel soundbar! 😁
Hi, where can I get / download a media to test a 9 or 11 channel Atmos configuration.
I have a setup with denon x3800h and 5.1.4 speaker.
All the blurays I have are 5.1 or 7.1, I can't activate all the speakers. thanks
You don't by chance have an XBOX, do you?
Extremely satisfied with my SR6015 that I got for €1000,- as it is an outgoing model. Love! the pre-outs. ❤ (got a Crown XLS1502 for mains) XLR outs would've been nice for the sub, but hey, can't have it all....
Hello Elan greetings from Ecuador . I have a question ,what do you Elan prefer if you have to decide onkyo nr 7100 or rz50 vs sony ez 3000 if you are on the budget
The RZ50 is the best long-term budget option, since it has pre outs to be able to use external amps when you decide to upgrade your speakers and need more power. That way you don’t need to get a new AVR to handle those upgrades. 🙌
whats the difference between the Onkyo TX-NR797 and the NR7100... the specs are almost IDENTICAL except the NR7100 has Dirac live.. ... the reason i am asking is the NR797 is on sale for $400..
The 7100 is more updated, with HDMI 2.1 support, 8K upscaling, 4K 120 Hz & next-gen gaming features like Auto Low Latency Mode, etc. If those features are important, then that’s what you’ll probably need. Otherwise, the 797 is still a good option, even now.
It's all a matter of what you like. I had the Yamaha A6A and gave it back before 90 days. The display is so small for me and many of my friends is basically useless.
The Pioneer differs in another distinct way from Onkyo - Pioneer does not afford you the ability to adjust the crossovers independently. I found this strange. Amps are similar for all models. And the only manufacturer ( both Onkyo and Pioneer ) that has built in Dirac Live built in - the difference is HUGE compared to AccuEQ. .
Never had Arcam. Interested though.
Huh…didn’t know that about the crossovers. So weird!
Does it truely cause a problem unless you use different speakers on the same group such as left side surround and right side surround? I'd assume 99% of people with such AVRs would have matching speakers in positions like fronts, side surrounds, rear surrounds.
@@sardasertOf course it causes an issue. Location of L-R can be different, therefore without independent crossover control of all speakers this becomes a huge issue.
@@Audiomainia2310 wait, I thought crossover setting is about "on what Hz AVR should start sending the signal to subwoofer". location or position of identical L-R speakers should not make any difference on crossover settings. ( like 80hz crossover is ok for most decent home theater speakers ) Why would anyone want to set 80hz on one speaker (for example: front left) and 100hz on other (front right in this example), if they are matching speakers their crossover would be same.
I still don't get why would it be a problem.
@@sardasert Because naturally the L - R are set to the same crossovers, but you could as I do have a different center and surrounds. Without the ability to actively change crossovers dependent on how low / high they need to cross for the subs, it will never sound balanced.
Pioneer does not allow you to change the crossovers. I don't know how much more succinctly I can explain myself when others get it the first time.
Would it be a huge difference going from 5.1.2 to 5.1.4? Thinking about upgrading but not sure if it worth it. Currently have the sony str-dh790
It is pretty cool, IMO, since having 4 heights is what Atmos was mixed in, typically, so it’s close to the director’s intention. That and having 4 heights completes the “cube” shape that Atmos objects can more accurately move around in. 🤘
@@ealanosborne I'm leaning towards the pioneer VSX-LX305 it's the cheapest 9 channel receiver I've come across that has HDMI 2.1. Amazon has it for $671
@@Tor109 That’s a good one!
Hey Elan, you mentioned that the 3800h and 4800h can use 6 height channels, but, you said why? I use the 6 height channel feature. Is 4 better, to be able to connect back surrounds instead? Just curious why you mentioned that. Keep up the good reviews!
If you have a long room or multiple rows of seats, then yes, 6 height channels will make a difference. But typically if your AVR can only support up to 11 channels, you’ll have a more immersive experience with a 7.x.4 system, since height effects can sometimes be pretty sparse compared to 7 ear-level speakers that will be engaged much more frequently. 🤘
@@ealanosborne Prior to getting the 3800h, I still had 6 height channels, but, had 2 connected to the AVR, which gave me 4 frt height channels and 2 rear, with 2 back surrounds. As an experiment, I could make that connection again just to see how it would sound. I just don’t want to run 2 lines for the back surrounds. I do have a back row, and for the first time, I sat back there and watched Morbius. I was pleasantly surprised at what I heard. Q: If I did BS, they would be under my rear heights. I could pull them a few inches from the back wall. Suggestions?
@@ealanosborne oh btw, my room is 18x14x8.
@@ealanosborne I have the Denon 3800h
@@wendellwendellb339 Yeah, since you have rear heights, it’d be best to have your Surround Backs right at ear level so you have good separation between ear-level and height speakers. Having multiple rows like you do, it’s best to have side surrounds and back surrounds to really pull off an enveloping soundstage. But if it’s too much of a hassle, no worries. You’ll still get a great soundstage with a 5.x.6 system.
Thanks I will take a look at it.
DSP - are there any receivers with built-in DSP's? Not basic bass/treble knobs, but customization like you get with miniDSP for example. Really enjoy your videos. Thanks.
Well, they do, but they’re not that robust. Fixed EQ frequencies to choose from, some AVRs having more bands to work with than others. But you’d def get much more customization and features for more precise adjustments with a MiniDSP.
@@ealanosborne Any reason to not use a DSP? They seem like a great add on to any sound system. Perhaps you could do a video on DSP's. Thanks for all the help.
@@hazembata Nah, everyone should use a DSP if they can afford it. Everyone’s room is different, so adding DSP in the signal chain tames the anomalies that your room is guaranteed to have when multiple speakers are at play. You should check out my buddy’s channel - Home Theater Gamer - who has done quite a few deep dives on MiniDSP content. 🎉🙌
kindly advise i have 7 channel power amp and can i assign my front, center, and surround and surround back total 7 speakers to my preouts settings and rest 4 channels to my main AVR, and choose 11.1 assign mode in the speakers/amp setting? without adding extra 2 channels to my external amp? OR what will be best setting. Thank you
I assume you have a Denon or Marantz AVR? If so, yes! You are correct with your logic. You can power all 7 of your ear-level speakers with your external amp (11.1 amp assign mode), and power the heights with the corresponding internal amps of the AVR.
@ealanosborne thank you so much for your kind reply , much appreciated
Ehh, I already got an a1h shortly after that kit released, in April or May of this year, where I am still trying to find a movie that uses that many channels, if you would have a suggestion I am all ears, I presently have a 9/7.2.6 set up, that can grow to a 9.2.9 set up, if that ever becomes possible or useful…
Hmmm…well, regardless of channel count, a good Atmos mix should conform to as many speakers as you have, in theory. But yeah, not all mixes actually do that, I know.
I haven’t tested out a configuration as large as yours, but Godzilla vs Kong came out of my front wides a LOT, as well as Dune and The Matrix. You also might want to check out DTS:X mixes, since the A1H supports the DTS:X Pro rendering engine. All the Jurassic Park/World franchise films are DTS:X. Bad Boys for Life, Jumanji: The Next Level, Zombieland: Double Tap, The Cornetto Trilogy (Shaun of the Dead, Hot Fuzz, The World’s End), and the Harry Potter saga are DTS:X mixes, too (on 4K Blu-ray, that is…). 🎉🤘
@@ealanosborne hmm, I will have to dedicate some time, to watch some movies, since I already have a lot of them…since I have been buying a number of blue rays in the past year or two… so I really need to take some time and just watch movies, since I haven’t actually sat down and watched a movie I think since avatar released, which wasn’t at all a reference film at least when it comes to Atmos. I have Dune, matrix, and Godzilla vs Kong, I have all of the Jurassic park movies, Jumanji, and all of the Harry Potter movies mainly since I grew up reading those books, but I had herd a lot of people questioning if the DTS:x upgrade was worth it, for a number of them, but I haven’t actually sat down to watch them, so my plan will probably be to watch the LotR trilogy in 4K, Harry Potter saga in 4K, at some point, within the next few months…
Hey Ealan! Thanks for the video! I just bought a Pioneer vsx-lx503 + a sony str-dh190 for a very nice price (500usd) and im using a 7.2.4 configuration with my paradigm studio speakers. do u know how this avr compares with the more modern models?
Comparing the LX503 and LX505 is basically the updated HDMI 2.1 chipset and next gen gaming features (4K/120Hz, VRR, ALLM), but more importantly, Dirac Live room correction, which is much better than MCACC.
@@ealanosborne I’m using REW to manually calibrate. And connecting vrr pc direct to my Oled for the video and using another hdmi to the receiver for the audio for better results than eArc. Besides these things is the quality overall the same?
I have marantz 6015, with KEF Q90. I am 7.1.4. Do I need external amp and if I buy external amp will I notice any sound difference?
I believe you would notice a difference, like I noticed a different in clarity, channel separation and detail. And I didn’t have to turn the system up as loud to hear those details since more power was being fed to each speaker. 🎉
@@ealanosborne perfect thank you for the reply 🙏
I am waiting for the next generation Yamaha AVRs as none of the current models have features that I need since I need the ability to use my cassette deck. If that does not happen then I will seek out an Aventage RX-A3080.
If your CD player has analog RCA outputs, you could connect it to any current Yamaha AVR to its analog RCA inputs 🤷♂️
That much is obvious. The problem comes with recording which requires setting the Zone 2 outputs to fixed or using an HDMI audio extractor, which I am happy that my Yamaha Aventage RX-A760 does. I would like to point out that while Yamaha pushes the high slew rate amplifiers in their latest Aventage the A760 is right there with them.
My new receiver has to have 2 pre-outs ... so, after i watch 7 chanel buying guide, Sony AN1000 gets me very interested. But in EU for me the cheapest price option for Sony AN1000 is 830 eur (even on salle) ... the DENON 9.4 channel X3800H with all the pre-outs i get for 900 eur. So, is Sony still the better option for me?
Oh interesting! Yeah, I’d go with the X3800H if the prices are that close. 🎉
@@ealanosborne I find it interesting that you took the time to answer. Thank you for that. I appreciate and am honored.
Unfortunately for me, AV electronics prices are much more expensive in the EU than in the US. For example, a new Sony 75X90L TV costs me from 2400 to 2600 euros. In the US half off that or even less when there are on sales, i think.
What influence does the brand have? That signature sound of the brand. Because some swear by Marantz, others by Denon or would prefer Onkyo and never Denon between these two (i love to have Onkyo RZ50, but is 1600 eur). Is it possible sometimes to say, for example that a lower ranked Sony AVR could have better sound than a higher ranked Denon? Because Sony is Sony. Of course, I have in mind amateur home theaters. Greetings.
I just ordered the Denon avr x6700h for $1999. I think it is a little over kill for my living room, but it looked like a bargain at that price.
That IS a great bargain!! 🎉
I’m waiting for Black Friday, to upgrade to Denon X4800H. Coming from the 4200W.
Good idea!
Which has best sound for music listening that 's what I need to know
I’m trying to get my hands on one soon so I can know for myself, but I hear Arcam is excellent for music with the audiophile DACs inside. Marantz, Pioneer & Yamaha are known for their musicality as well.
Thank you for the video
You’re welcome! 🎉
Great job but I need something smaller ill stick with a soundbar intel I get a bigger house. lol 😂
No shame in that! I totally understand! 😄🎉
@@ealanosborne hope to see if Sennheiser Come out with a rear speaker 🔈 but I want hold my breath on that. lol 😂
A remark about the Denons, the older gen 6700 has really old and ugly (by comparison) GUI, which you will be seeing a lot during normal operations. All Denons and Marantz models have the same HEOS music streaming app/system, I'm yet to meet anyone who is happy with it, comparing to e.g. BlueOS or even WIM. The RZ50 is a really good AVR, but being developed in 2021 it probably going to be replaced sometimes soon.
Incorrect. The 13 channel Sony powers all the speakers. You DO NOT need a separate amp for any speakers. Of course, you might want a separate amp, but you don’t need it.
How come you left off Emotive?
Emotiva
Love your videos by the way.
OMG, that’s right! 😂 Totally forgot about the MR1.
Where stand sony HT A9 with SW-5 when we compare with nakamichi dragon ??
I have no idea. I keep bugging my Sony rep for an HT-A9 with no success. 🤷♂️
Anthem is outstanding if you want one of the best EQ Genesis and sound system!
Fantastic comparison thank you, could you please rank them!
Which one can drive 4 Ohm speakers with only 85db sensitivity!
Denon is overpriced compared to
Onkyo!
Thanks Ealan
You’re welcome, Craig!
RZ70 also has Auro3D
Amazon currently has the Onkyo NR 7100 for $649.00 Better grab it 8/2024
Thanks for the heads up!
Link?
@@Tor109 Well, now it’s $799, but still much less than original price. 👇
amzn.to/3WIItyV
@@Tor109 Price went back to $799 yesterday 8/9
Can the Sony 9 channel 3000 power 8 in ceiling speakers mainly for music streaming ?
If it’s mainly for music streaming, I think you’re wanting an 8 channel distribution amp instead of an AVR. Like this one 👇
howl.me/clpKUN2dGys
I need it to have Bluetooth, will this work ?@ealanosborne
And subwoofer outputs at least 2
@@MrNeville78 For Bluetooth and Sub Out you’ll need something like the Bluesound Node to stream music through and to connect a subwoofer. Then the Bluesound Node will connect to the 8 channel distribution amp to output that audio to your 8 in-ceiling speakers.
Question: Are these 8 in-ceiling speakers all in the same room? Or in different rooms?
Same room
Where is the 11 channel video?!
I’m debating making a video about preamp processors. Is that what you meant? I cover 11 channel AVRs (and higher channel counts) in this video. 🙃
not sure why should i care about 4k/8k if these are purely a sound receivers
It’s mainly for gamers who want the smoothest possible experience with 4K/120Hz refresh rate, ALLM, VRR, etc.
it will depend on your setup, if you have multiple 4k/8k sources (consoles+PCs etc.) your TV might not have enough hdmi 2.1 ports, or you might have a tv without DTS support and your sources might have DTS thus you want to send the signal first to your AVR then to your TV thus needing 4k/8k/DV/HDR support.
the sony receivers are too expensive way more from the competition and dont even offer AURO 3D ir dirac live
Not really a must to have Dirac Live. Their own calibration software seems to do a good job from what I hear. I have a basic 7.2 Sony from 7 years ago and set it up manually and I like the sound but is missing quite a few features I wish it had. Considering this AZ3000ES.
Win the lottery or Rob a bank I could consider it but I live in the real world
Way too expensive
So that's what "chiefs-a-holic" was up too...😂🐺🔫💰💰💰
Sony doesn't sell AVR in Italy! Shame on them!