I bought the Onkyo TX-RZ50 for $999 on Amazon. I added the Emotiva XPA-DR3 for my front stage. I used a 20 yr old Denon just to run back surround speakers because it had inputs and the Onkyo doesn’t have internal amp for rear height speakers just preouts. So my AV setup is 7.2.4 atmos.
Thanks for the video Mo, I appreciate it! Thoughts on the RZ-70? I know it’s an 11 channel receiver but would love to hear what you think about the value of that receiver as compared to your recommendations. Or perhaps maybe if you make an 11 channel AVR video, would love for it to be included, thanks!
Great idea for the next video! The RZ70 is the best value in the 11-channel category. For $2799 you are getting 140 watts per channel, Dirac, THX certification and more. Although the Yamaha RX-A8A is on sale on Crutchfield for $2,999.95. Yamaha is 150 watts per channel at
@@magnoliamo thanks Mo, I appreciate it and look forward to more videos on best for buck AVRs/processors! Would be interesting to see a video on amps as well and whether you prefer 11 channel amps or perhaps a 7 Channel amp for bedlayers and a separate 4 channel amp for height speakers
@usmankhalid990 I prefer a high quality 7-channel amp for the bed layer and a separate 5-channel amp for the height speakers. I am not a fan of 11-channel amps where fronts and center have more watts and the surrounds and height channels watts are truncated. I’d rather have the same wattage across all speakers. Trust me it makes a difference.
Pioneers problem is non variable crossovers. You can only set a master crossover, and it applies to all speakers. IE: You can't have fronts at 80hz, and atmos channels at 120hz, etc... Denon 3800s problem is non transferable dirac license. A full 700$ towards dirac live plus bass control is almost half the price of the reciever. I wouldnt mind it if that $700 investment was transferable to your next product when you decide to upgrade to a higher channel count, like to the 6800... you cant bring your old licenses with you.
Excellent points. Which of these would you recommend. Pioneer has always had that crossover problem. 3800s issue applies to all the Denon and Marantz receivers and processors with Dirac.
@magnoliamo prob the denon. It's unquestionably more features packed. Just gotta bite the bullet with dirac and try to recuperate your costs when upgrading to higher channel count. Recoup costs by charging 400$ more to the 2nd owner probably. Id prefer a easy 1to1 license transfer, avoid all this trouble but dirac doesn't have that yet.
@@sammy10001 yeah. Same here. That’s why i haven’t upgraded to the AV10 yet. I am happy with the 8805A. Pioneer Elite 505 maybe a good one as well if you have matching speakers.
What is the no go for the pioneer you can't define separate crossover for each speakers you have only one crossover frequency vor all speakers. For that price a no go. The "same" AVC from Onkyo have this "normal" feature. I have a 12 years old Pioneer SC-LX76 and also this one can't set crossover separately. 2012 okay but now we are in 2024 and still only one crossover for all speakers come on... I will buy a new one but I go for the Onkyo 50 or Denon 3800 on a good price the 4800....
Yep. You would think in 2023 and 2024 they would have added individual crossovers for speakers. I think it’s more of a philosophical stance at this point. Since the Pioneer receivers are THX certified and THX recommends one crossover for all speakers, Pioneer has stuck with the single crossover. But, who knows for sure.
@@magnoliamo what is suspicious that Onkyo is able to have this "feature" and is also THX certified... The only downside, at least for me, the Onkyo looks not so good as the Pioneer but this is a personal preference and in the end I don't have any advantage of a good looking Receiver...When Onkyo had independently two subwoofer out it is a no brainer... So the Denon 3800/4800 comes in the game.. Dirac is way to expensive but with audysse one EVO with REW is a good alternative...
Production and distribution of both Onkyo and Pioneer is handled by Voxx and Sharp. They may come from the same factories and share R&D. Each brand, however, is tuned to its brand specific sound. They also differ in connections and DAC selections. So, they are not exactly the same as folks might think.
I bought the Onkyo TX-RZ50 for $999 on Amazon. I added the Emotiva XPA-DR3 for my front stage. I used a 20 yr old Denon just to run back surround speakers because it had inputs and the Onkyo doesn’t have internal amp for rear height speakers just preouts. So my AV setup is 7.2.4 atmos.
Very nice! Congrats! How do you like it?
Thanks for the video Mo, I appreciate it! Thoughts on the RZ-70? I know it’s an 11 channel receiver but would love to hear what you think about the value of that receiver as compared to your recommendations.
Or perhaps maybe if you make an 11 channel AVR video, would love for it to be included, thanks!
Great idea for the next video! The RZ70 is the best value in the 11-channel category. For $2799 you are getting 140 watts per channel, Dirac, THX certification and more. Although the Yamaha RX-A8A is on sale on Crutchfield for $2,999.95. Yamaha is 150 watts per channel at
@@magnoliamo thanks Mo, I appreciate it and look forward to more videos on best for buck AVRs/processors! Would be interesting to see a video on amps as well and whether you prefer 11 channel amps or perhaps a 7 Channel amp for bedlayers and a separate 4 channel amp for height speakers
@usmankhalid990 I prefer a high quality 7-channel amp for the bed layer and a separate 5-channel amp for the height speakers. I am not a fan of 11-channel amps where fronts and center have more watts and the surrounds and height channels watts are truncated. I’d rather have the same wattage across all speakers. Trust me it makes a difference.
Pioneers problem is non variable crossovers.
You can only set a master crossover, and it applies to all speakers. IE: You can't have fronts at 80hz, and atmos channels at 120hz, etc...
Denon 3800s problem is non transferable dirac license. A full 700$ towards dirac live plus bass control is almost half the price of the reciever. I wouldnt mind it if that $700 investment was transferable to your next product when you decide to upgrade to a higher channel count, like to the 6800... you cant bring your old licenses with you.
Excellent points. Which of these would you recommend. Pioneer has always had that crossover problem. 3800s issue applies to all the Denon and Marantz receivers and processors with Dirac.
@magnoliamo prob the denon. It's unquestionably more features packed. Just gotta bite the bullet with dirac and try to recuperate your costs when upgrading to higher channel count. Recoup costs by charging 400$ more to the 2nd owner probably.
Id prefer a easy 1to1 license transfer, avoid all this trouble but dirac doesn't have that yet.
@@sammy10001 yeah. Same here. That’s why i haven’t upgraded to the AV10 yet. I am happy with the 8805A. Pioneer Elite 505 maybe a good one as well if you have matching speakers.
What is the no go for the pioneer you can't define separate crossover for each speakers you have only one crossover frequency vor all speakers. For that price a no go. The "same" AVC from Onkyo have this "normal" feature. I have a 12 years old Pioneer SC-LX76 and also this one can't set crossover separately. 2012 okay but now we are in 2024 and still only one crossover for all speakers come on... I will buy a new one but I go for the Onkyo 50 or Denon 3800 on a good price the 4800....
Yep. You would think in 2023 and 2024 they would have added individual crossovers for speakers. I think it’s more of a philosophical stance at this point. Since the Pioneer receivers are THX certified and THX recommends one crossover for all speakers, Pioneer has stuck with the single crossover. But, who knows for sure.
@@magnoliamo what is suspicious that Onkyo is able to have this "feature" and is also THX certified... The only downside, at least for me, the Onkyo looks not so good as the Pioneer but this is a personal preference and in the end I don't have any advantage of a good looking Receiver...When Onkyo had independently two subwoofer out it is a no brainer... So the Denon 3800/4800 comes in the game.. Dirac is way to expensive but with audysse one EVO with REW is a good alternative...
I still prefer the Pioneer Elite receivers over Onkyo as a personal choice. I will be trying the Audyssey One with EVO and REW soon.
Isn't Pioneer receivers built in Onkyo factories?
Production and distribution of both Onkyo and Pioneer is handled by Voxx and Sharp. They may come from the same factories and share R&D. Each brand, however, is tuned to its brand specific sound. They also differ in connections and DAC selections. So, they are not exactly the same as folks might think.
Deutschand onkyo rz70 2500euro Pionner elite 805 2200e.1899e Marantz cinema 40😊
I say get the Cinema 40