The Messed Up Origins™ of Dr. Facilier (Baron Samedi) | Disney Explained - Jon Solo
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Princess and the frog was a great movie. I enjoyed the music, the characters, the New Orleans culture that was included in the movie. From the Voodoo to the bayou. It deserves more recognition
I agree.
Yes and I wish he said it was set in New Orleans and not just Louisiana ⚜️❤️
Agreed! I love this movie
This is the only Disney movie I like.
It is easily one of the best Disney moviee
Facilier's death isn't one of the most terrifying ones of disney because of the implications
But because he's one of the few whose face we see right before he's snatched away, the panic and horror in him, and the fact that it wasn't a quick punishment, the spirits took their time to instill not just the fear of punishment in him but to make him realize that, no matter what he said, there was no getting out of that
No matter what happens to him in spirit realm/hell, it's that moment right before that makes it so bone-chilling
i agree it was very chilling to see him lose that ominous pact
I agree
Kinda sounds a little like Scar's death, but they made it way worse.
it's also pretty telling of his character. like his last words are bargaining over other people's lives, and i think it's a good spike in character writing that subtly relays to the viewer: "hey, if you feel bad for him, don't."
but yeah his panic and horror was actually pretty chilling especially when it ends with that "hush" line from the end of the 'friends on the other side'. i wanna hear what it sounds like without FOTOS playing over his attempts to bargain.
Ngl just remembering the low “bum bum bum bum ARE YOU REAAADY” as he’s pleading for his life will never fail to give me chills as he’s also dragged away
To be honest, being literally dragged to hell by your ‘friends’ is (in my opinion) the best ending to a Disney movie. A brutal death, a stab in the back, all caused by his own evil and greed.
That’s not hell. In voodoo there’s no hell. That’s the spirit world. If you watched coco you wouldn’t say he went to hell then why our culture?
@@JP-br4mx because voodoo is black magic, and practicing black magic will get you sent to Hell. Did you know that the average IQ in Haiti is 62, which is considered clinically retarded?
Well that is what a faustian deal will give you. Making deals with evil entities is kinda of not the best idea.
@@JP-br4mx He's being dragged into the spirit world for eternal torment at the hands of the malevolent spirits he made his bargain with. Sounds a lot like hell to me, so I would forgive his ignorance in this case because he probably knows only as much about Voodoo as he learned in this video, which didn't go into whether there was any place or state called "hell."
My man voodoo witch doctor has pretty toxic friends
As someone who practice Haitian Vodou thank you for not mixing up Bawon Samedi and Papa Legba!!🥰☠️🖤
Bawon Samedi is found at the cemetery not crossroads. Met Kafou(Papa Legba evil twin brother) is the crossroads
Wait, what do these guys look like? Long dark hair, dark robes, a too-wide grin?
I think I saw these guys in a dream, they introduced themselves to me as "death" and "dream"... Twins.
👀👀🧐
Your beliefs are SO misunderstood...
The life of the party and the comforting old man
I appreciate the way you referred to the people brought to these lands through the slave trade as Africans and not slaves. It felt intentional, you phrasing it that way, while most people are rather dismissive with the language when addressing the matter.
Ehh somewhat I feel like it should be addressed why sugar coat the reality n not that I care but I remember my old history teacher told me he didn’t let his little girls watch Disney any more because the first black princess and it had to involve witchcraft. Jus felt like saying my peace hope everyone has a blessed day 👌🏽
@@JustinKase3 I'm sorry, what is it you feel should be addressed? I agree we need to use discretion with regards to what we will or won't watch or allow our children to watch, and I can understand your teachers decision on the matter though it is not my personal position, however I'm not sure how that relates to what I previously stated. What exactly is your position on the matter? Could you explain a bit further if you don't mind? I do hope you have a nice day as well, God bless 🙏🏾
@@JustinKase3 most Disney princesses involved witchcraft. I do love the movie….however what I don’t like is that the first black Disney princess isn’t actually a princess.
@@alesfont I mean, the first East Asian 'princess,' Mulan, wasn't actually a princess either, she just married a general's son later on. It's unfortunate, but I'm glad for the representation I was able to experience watching the film as a child.
@@JustinKase3 sorry but calling the voodoo religion "witchcraft" is anti black in itself. I blame the christians for teaching that the African religions were evil and of the devil
I am Haitian and Papa Legba and Baron Samedi are predominant figures in our culture. My granny practice vodoo and she used to tell us interesting stories 🤔
What do you think that italian cinema industry took the word zombi as a reference or name for the slowly flesh eating vampires in modern cinema?
Hyibobo yasss
Like?
You gotta share those with us 🙏🏾 Ik it’s hella interesting
I know a lot of Haitians and I’ve never heard of this I assume there are the Haitians that are into voodoo and then there are the extreme church goers
The doc really is underrated. He’s my personal favorite of the Disney villains, and “Friends On The Other Side” is easily one of my favorite villain songs. Not only because it’s catchy, but the animation makes me fall in love over and over again.
You should check out Thomas Sanders Friends on the Other Side version. Him and his friends do that song as a mashup with other Disney villain songs. Freaking love it and have it on my iPod. I also play that in October since you know, Halloween and spooky season in general. You will love their version.
@@sarahprince2412 oh I did, and I absolutely loved it. Been following him since the days of Vine in fact
@@HedgieDaUmbrehog Oh ok. I love Friends on the Other Side in general but I love Thomas’ version even more because of all the mashups and how well he did with integrating them. I haven’t seen him do other mashups with other villain songs but would love for him and his friends to do some more songs like that one. Unless I missed it somewhere. 😁
@@sarahprince2412 I agree wholeheartedly. It’s been so amazing watching his progress, I’m always looking forward to more
I personally never saw him as "underrated" but maybe I never knew the meaning of the term. xD
But I agree; I'd invite him to a dance party every time! LOOK AT THOSE MOVES!! ;o;
Hey Jon just wanted to say I love that you are finally going into voodoo culture. It's a rich and diverse culture with roots of slavery and African/indigenous mythology. I really thank you for bringing attention to these things. People often view voodoo as devil worship but voodoo is more then that
Define witchcraft. You do realize voodoo was the witchcraft that the Salem Witch Trials happened over right?
@@samsonsoturian6013 The infamous Salem witch trials began during the spring of 1692, after a group of young girls in Salem Village, Massachusetts, claimed to be possessed by the devil and accused several local women of witchcraft. they had no involvement with voodoo.
@@samsonsoturian6013 No it wasn't. Not even close.
Wrong time, place and people.
Who even told you that 🤨
Jaden patrick, yeah voodoo is way more its all about who and what u are there is good juju and bad. Voodoo is neutral. Its up to u to pick.
@@samsonsoturian6013 It wasn't and even if it was, the salem trials are yet another stain in organized religion's history of genocidal fear mongering propaganda. Witchcraft of ANY kind is not inherently evil, it's the practitioner who can use it to be evil. Think of as like a tool, yes you can use a hammer to kill someone but that doesn't make the hammer evil, does it?
I love the bottle tree, what I was taught growing up, is that if you open a bottle of "spirits" to offer a spirit a drink, that bottle then belongs to that spirit, after all the drink has been used but one last sip, the nearly empty bottle is tied to a tree on the homes property to show the spirit being offered "houseroom" they are welcome to stay, it's like setting up a tavern for your spirit guides helping them feel as if they have a private room for themselves on the protected homes property. Not sure how much of this idea comes from my celtic family's history and how much comes directly from American Hoodoo v. s African Voodoo. I just love the idea of building a "room" for your ancestors and guides to use as they wish.
That's cool info from your Celtic Roots, but in the Southern parts of the USA those bottles on trees are not to be treated so nicely. The bottles are to never be opened, ever. I've seen those on Good Will's, and people have no clue what they are buying.
@@AuthorLHollingsworth I adore finding links between cultural practices and religious traditions, like incense, almost every religion on the planet uses it in some form, the theology behind the uses is different, just super interesting to learn how over time perceptions and practices evolve, love the history and it gives me an excuse to read excessively 💜
Wow I never knew that there was a similarity between the two spiritual cultures. Thanks for the enlightenment
@@lisemzarate4029 😇😇😇😇
That is pretty cool, and definitely different that what I was taught growing up in the south. The blue bottles hanging in the bottle trees weren't meant to welcome spirit guides or benevolent spirits but to entrap evil spirits and never in a million years would you leave it open as an invitation. It's interesting to see how something similar in appearance can be completely different in practice.
Thank you for calling it a religion and being so respectful, and explaining the practices. 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
Boi, you’re fine!!!!
Awesome and cool! ^_^
As long as you understand that practicing it puts you at odds with the Almighty and like the stories it never ends well.
@@Darkness-ie2yl how do u know this? Please explain. I can make the same argument about Christianity. Those crusades were disgusting and dark sided. In my experience, voodeux is deeply spiritually, remarkably beautiful and very sophisticated. Believe what you want to believe but don’t tell me something cannot connect me to the Almighty just because you’ve been conditioned and programmed to believe so. Carry on
@@Darkness-ie2yl Screw your "Almighty" god.
I'm Nigerian (West African) so I could actually understand everything single thing you said and the references to voodoo but from here we call it "Juju" signifying "Black magic" its portrayed as an evil practice often spat on by every religion especially Christians and its funny how Papa Legba is a reference to what we refer here as "Baba Lawó" its a term used for those in contact to the spirit realm I'm actually very much afraid of these especially the wooden work of tying down people's spirit to us it is said that when they do this its a way "of stealing your destiny and ensuring you never get to prosper in life this lifetime or the next" in that aspect its a medium of evil as the people they've done this too have apparently not progressed or have gone completely mad the accuracy in this is truly outstanding.
May I ask you a question? (I'm not a Christian...by the way)...but if the spirits of voodoo were/are so powerful...HOW did AFRICA, as a CONTINENT become colonized? How is it in the position it is now? Also, why do the "gods" of those rituals always demand something in return? Just questions....please don't take offense. I would really like to know and am curious.
Hey I get what you’re saying . I practice Ifa . Baba legba and baba Alawo are not the same .
Baba legba is a cross road Orisha which is also synonymous to Esu(Esu is not satan I don’t know why Ajayi crowther translate satan to Esu )
@@andreadaniels8484 Sorry this is coming in late but personally I feel that voodoo worked more spiritually than it did physically Africa was colonized by countries that had firearms that could destroy almost every single thing. And the reason the gods want something is because "nothing is free" you must give something to settle or give something as assurance. I don't find offense what's so ever 😊
@@mkemp2934 Oh I didn't know that at all thanks for the update 😁
@@ehietomi4375 If I may ask...( and thank you so much for responding the way you did...it is very respectful. I'm really just trying to understand) How does the SPIRITUAL NOT have more power over the physical? ( guns) It would also seem, possibly, that the spirits want something in exchange as ones CONSENT to operate in their life. For example...libation . Spirits don't digest fluids, but by leaving libation for spirits...you open the "door" (for lack of a better word). Does this make sense...or am I completely wrong?
I also appreciate the thought that "Facilier" as a name appears to derive linguistically from "facilitate," or "make easier," as he appears to do, although ultimately doesn't. I already knew about Facilier's derivation from Baron Samedi although Papa Legba was newer to me. This is SUPER-interesting!
Oh my god how did I not realize that pun before
@@lunaamethyst5724 same
Same
I had always considered it was a facsimile. Something akin to one thing, only for it to be found out he was another thing
In this instance we think he's just your average busking witch doctor. But that facsimile is shattered when we did out his plan
I thought facilitate too.
Voodoo mythology is so interesting, I'd love to hear more about it.
Chronicals of a Zoe has a lot of info on Haitian Voodoo
Also watch “Divine Horsemen”. It’s on UA-cam.
Dr.Faciller has arguably the most terrifying death of any Disney villain ever with the exception of Scar from The Lion King
VooDoo dolls, are actually supposed to be used to HELP focus if you are ill, or have a wound or sore, not for evil purposes.
I feel like it would depend on your intentions
I'd love to hear more about voodoo mythology. I actually took a class in college on shamanistic religions (we had to take one non-Western course and I thought the topic was interesting) and voodoo was a part of it. What I learned in the class was fascinating, but we never went over mythology (just facts relating to how people practiced it).
Where did you take a class like that? Just curious
There's voodoo which is a religion and then there's obeah that's straight up sorcery, if you practice voodoo you're a priest aka a witch doctor and if you practice obeah you're a sorcerer or a witch and both have a light and dark side to them
I can assure you it's no myth. Go go to an African or Caribbean country and research
@@shanishay9713 shit, just come here to New Orleans. Voodoo is FAR from a myth. It’s very very real.
@@kaelynmichelle4887 I live in the Caribbean I'm WELL aware love
I’VE LITERALLY BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE. Thank you Jon 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Glad you got to see it. He's one of my favorite villains in Disney movies
Same
This guy is a research god!! LoL it's so entertaining to learn about all these stories
Yeah, me too!
As opposed to figuratively waiting for this one?
This is one of my favorite Disney movies because I love Tiana’s work ethics. & love that they don’t demonize Voodoo
Wow this was very enlightening! Like you said, Christians are taught that magic = bad because that means witchcraft which is associated with hell, so I always saw this as "a Villain trope". Because Mama Odi was a good guy, I didn't even realize she was also using voodoo. This is such an interesting culture hopefully my mind will break far enough for me to learn more!
I wonder if mama Odie can be connected to any Loa. I’ve heard she was based off actual voodoo queens, but perhaps there could be more there.
I think the "magic is bad"thing has to do with a particular verse in the Bible; Deut. 18:10-12, to be exact, regarding human sacrifice.
Also "baron samedi" and "bondye" are both originated from creole and they are actually pronounced more like "samdi" and "bondie"... I really love your videos and I appreciate the work you put in, I look forward to more
I was thinking his pronunciation of Samedi was off but I wasn't sure if it was or the few times I had heard it were off.
Sum di*
It's pretty obvious that Jon did not study French. Note his pronunciation of "Maman."
@@laurahubbard6906 it doesn’t matter if we are going to put effort into pronouncing Eurocentric gods names correctly same can be done for ATR gods.
Also Jon if you see this “loa” is pronounced “lwa” in Kreyol.
They both Guedi. The Baron has many forms Samedi and La croix
You should delve into more on the Loas in your mythology explained series. There's hundreds of tales and stories about the people of Louisiana interacting with Loa and spirits!
Definitely, This episode was interesting and it would add something new for john to add to the channel.
I'm happy you mentioned Duvalier, I'm more than sure that he was also an inspiration. The similarities start with name and deffo don't end there
Marie Laveau. Angela Bassett portrayed her in AHS. I would love to see more about voodoo. Thank you Jon!
I'd love to hear more about his Irish wife, she sounds very interesting. Love that you added Lilo's (little bit of voodoo ) loved that.
I have a friend who studied this because they study a lot of mythology. They said she often gets lumped in with the Irish goddess Brigid or Saint Brigid because of synchronism!
@@LenaVoices ah that's very interesting, thanks for the information. 👍 Tho don't think st Brigid swore like a sailor but you never know. We do love to use profanities when annoyed 🤣
@@crimsonffire probably not, lol! But considering the saint gets associated with the goddess, and the goddess ties into this story, and the fact that Voodoo ties both traditions from across Africa with Christians elements, it's probably how all these things get tied together! I find it so fascinating how religion and culture blend and change as time goes on! If anything I said was wrong or misleading or if I find any new information, I will let you know!
@@LenaVoices I know voodoo dolls where a European witch thing ,but as you said all these things get tied and joined together and because part of one religion over time. It's very fascinating seeing how things evolved over time. I agree with you there. Thanks for that. Cheers and take care
@@crimsonffire Yes! Dolls, Poppets, or whatever you like to call them come from all sorts of backgrounds in different religions, folk beliefs, practices, etc and are used for any reason under the sun. The term "Voodoo doll" bearing negative associations came around to shame the practice of Voodoo and Witchcraft, like Jon said. Though mostly to shame african and voodoo practices, since obviously not all witches and occult practicers by whatever name or designation you want to call them are aligned with the Voodoo Religion, which again like Jon said, has a very long history. But yes! You're correct! (This is just a subject I'm quite passionate about don't mind me 😂).
Jon, would you ever consider telling the legend of Robin Hood?? I’m literally obsessed with his story
Absolutely! Robin Hood has been on my list for years. I just haven't covered him yet because of the length, and with how important his story is I really want the episode to be done right. Custom art, maybe some animation, etc. I'm not sure when exactly I'll get to him but we're making progress towards being able to honor his story properly and better than anyone else has before.
It’s very different from what most people think it will be funny to see all of the people I. The comments going like WHAT??
@@JonSolo there is a book called Shadow of the Wolf by Tim Hall. i haven't read all of it yet but it is fairly similar to the Disney versions but with an added twist that makes it a little more interesting when it comes to the relationship between Robin and Maid Marian
Sierra did their own version of the story, with the game: Conquest of the Longbow. Often times, I wonder what the Disney movie would be like, if its plot were like the game's.
I wonder if Robin Hood was a nasty Jackass?
You really did your research! Thank you for explaining the history without ignorance 💛🙌🏿
I don't have any recommendations but I find Voodoo/Hoodoo incredibly interesting so I would adore seeing more videos on it! This video was very enthralling!
I know Baron Samedi from video game called smite, good to see more of his lore uncovered
I know him from Chilling Adventures of Sabrina
Spoiler Alert: towards the end of season 4 it is revealed that the character named Mambo Marie was him in disguise
I first heard of him thanks to the James Bond movie Live And Let Die.
I love smite I’ve been playing it for years 🤍
Fun Fact: The last name "Samedi" is the French word for "Saturday". The reason comes from the branch of Voodoo known as "Hattian Voodoo". This is also where we get the word "zombie" derived from the Haitian French word "zombi" which is referred to as "a corpse reanimated by voodoo".
In fact, "Princess and The Frog" isn't the only movie that focuses on the rules of "voodoo". The entirety of the "Child's Play franchise is centered around voodoo. With a special focus on the Haitian deity, Dumballa!
You didn’t drop any knowledge
@@kinnyjoans8493 yes they did. I certainly didnt know most of this.
@@lonelyronin2428 so because you were born yesterday don’t mean I was
It’s Damballah or Danbala. The disrespect!
@@voodeux_badeux My bad.
that was a pretty cool viewing! a whole lot of direct info in such a short condensed time! Really enjoyed your respectful and unbiased as well as pretty well informed narration of the mythology and the craft! Definitely gonna go check out your other vids now! WALK GOOD, BRETHEREN!
Love that you’re speaking about this too and voodoo
People who practice Voodoo get a very micro aggressive prejudice/ negative (origin from racism) connotation against them
Well, if children and animals get k*lled by these practices it should be seriously questioned and if it has more insidious origins? Entropy by the multi/universal archons and draconians?
Our planet wasn't the first to be colonized?
If karma is a thing because of entropy, this also may harm you in turn for it?
Mama Odie is one of my favorite characters from "Princess and the Frog"... she outlines some of the principles of Voodou in that you have a give and take of equal exchange.... "you got what you wanted, but you lost what you had" is heard when Dr. Facilier's Friends on the Other Side make him pay up for not coming through with his part of their bargain. I am so pleased with your consistently balanced and impartial look at history, mythology, and folklore.
(You also have the cutest doggo on UA-cam!!!! ❤ )
The loa Erzulie would be nice. Her vèvè was actually used to inspire Marie’s ritual in AHS
Vèvè not vive
@@d-onlytruth ty
Yes!
Wrong! In AHS…Marie was creating Maman Brigitte’s veve, which makes sense since she was into creating zombies. The real Marie Laveau veve that was adopted by New Orleans was indeed inspired by Erzulie Freda and Erzulie Danto. Not a big deal but i thought you should know.❤️
You covered that so tastefully, respectfully and your research was on POINT! I love it.
Thank you so much for doing a variety of cultures. There’s so few vids on non-Greco-Roman and Viking gods/myths. Your truly doing the gods work.
"My friends need to be punished" had me in stiches, I forgot how amazing Lilo is
Vodoo dolls also were used for medical purposes like model skeleton in classes
Brilliant work as always
let me be clear as a practitioner of louisiana voodoo
the loa are not deities or divine beings/gods, they are spirits
this is confused alot
Also baron samedi is known to be someone who makes deals, and he is also known to be swift with punishment if these deals are broken
Jon,thank you for being so respectful of Voodoo and the Loas. I appreciate the time you took in researching and explaining it so well. You are cool af for this mate!
This is one of the most fascinating videos I've ever watched! My mom was born in New Orleans in the 1940's so I know quite a bit about voodoo. She didn't practice it but was of course knowledgeable of it due to her environment. I would love to see more of your videos on this subject matter!
Jon, you have cane such a long way. I am glad and happy for you!
I really want to see you dig in to Rasputin like this. You'd be amazing at comparing and contrasting the character from Anastasia and the real life Rasputin. He deserves an episode all to himself.
Yes! I need an episode of Rasputin.
I agree!!
This was so good! I would love to see more about Loa specifically… Honestly all of it is super interesting to me!
Chronicals of a Zoe has a lot of information about Haitian Voodoo and goes into depth on different Lwa
It's been a while since I kept up with your content but I'm happy to see how far you've come my nizzle I'm glad you didn't walk away
This is the first I've heard about voodoo in detail and I absolutely love it, hope you do more of this
I'd love to hear about the dragons of Chinese mythology. Also, native American mythology is underrepresented
Mama Odie is my favorite charector. I’d love to see some Native American mythology as well. Maybe team the videos with MMIW and/or NIWRC so people can donate to them because it’s one of the best charities in the world. It’s for missing and murdered indiginous woman and children. I think it’s a great cause as someone who grew up with A lot of Indigenous family members it honestly hurts my heart to see the statistics and how horribly the cases are handled in the united states. Indigenous cultures are so rich and meaningful and very interesting to learn about.
Such a great episode! I’d love to hear more about voodoo- I hope you end up doing more episodes on it!! :)
Having a cane as the doorway to the spirit world is pretty cool. Along with Papa Legba's reason for limping.
I love and genuinely appreciate the care you used with this topic. Voodoo/Hoodoo is not inherently evil and that's one of the things that has always interested me. The narrative is so distorted. I knew I followed you for a reason... ... you know aside from my inner child's obsession with most things Disney lol.
If you’re going to discuss voodoo/Vodou in the future I would highly suggest reading two particular books (listed at the end)as well as speaking to actual modern practitioners of the religion. There were some details you got off, nothing egregious I suppose since you do dispel the myth that Vodou is evil- but critically you ignored one very important detail. Vodou was demonized because it is a black African religion.
Additionally, while Disney did draw on Vodou aesthetics, the majority of what is depicted would much more accurately be considered hoodoo. Hoodoo is an African-American folk magic and spiritual tradition that developed out of slavery. It functioned as a way for traditional beliefs to survive, and more importantly, for enslaved black folk to survive. While you mention tarot is not Vodou, you miss a critical point. In Vodou divination is VERY important and there are traditional forms of it, you would be hard pressed to find a Vodounist who reads tarot. A hoodoo or conjure man however would certainly be inclined to read cards (traditionally playing cards, but nowadays tarot is there too) because it is far more syncretic than Vodou. The charms, spirit interactions, and way Facilier holds himself and Ode interacts with magic are all more flavored as a “Disneyfied” hoodoo rather than Vodou.
I don’t say any of this to be mean or nitpick, it does seem like you did more research than most folk would and steered away from most stereotypes about the religion. I just hope this comment can inform more on the history of hoodoo and Vodou, how it interacts with American history, and how it was depicted (and misrepresented) by the movie. For all it’s flaws I really do love Princess and the Frog, but it is very flawed in its representation of African American magical and religious traditions.
Some sources on Vodou:
“Tell my Horse” by Zora Neale Hurston
“Momma Lola” by Karen McCarthey Brown
Sources on hoodoo can be very difficult, as many white authors in the new age publishing field make insane amounts of money co-opting hoodoo and misrepresent it. The only reliable source I’d currently suggest would be:
“Mules and Men” by Zora Neale Hurston.
Okay this one is a total nitpick but the term witch doctor is actually a European term for magical practitioners who get rid of or cure (hence “doctor”) someone of witchcraft. The way in which it became associated with the image of a dark skinned person with bones is probably due to post-enlightenment racism and then just recycling it through movies and pop culture.
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He was talking about a Disney character not Voodoo in particular!!
This was not nitpicky at all! I found myself a couple of times saying, I think you mean Hoodoo. Maybe because it was set in LA and Vodou is what most people think of in a situation like this, he honestly just didn't know the difference. I am amazed that you could actually offer reliable source material on conjure lol. If it weren't for my granny and just my general southern upbringing, I would be lost with all of the "hoodoo" information that is available these days.
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this is awesome thank you for this
I’m from New Orleans and I also practice voodoo. Thank you so much for doing your research and being respectful. You are by far one of my favorite creators on UA-cam.
Voodoo is originally haitian cause the haitian culture influenced the voodoo of New Orleans
@@d-onlytruth why are you trying to tell me things about my own culture and practice?
I absolutely love this Disney movie and I’m so happy you did this video!! I love the in depth research.
Honestly, I’d love to see you cover Voodoo Dolls and Zombies. Mainly because more people deserve to know the truth about them.
And technically Romero monsters never were zombies. He took the arabic vampire called algula/ghul for muse to his flesh eating corpses.
Jon, you legit made me happy cry when you mentioned there was going to be a Tiana spin-off😭😭 Princess and The Frog is a movie that I’ve held so close to my heart since I first saw it as a kid, not only because of the amazing story that was told by utilizing a culture that has deep roots in my family but that I felt such a connection and relatability to Tiana. With the relationship with her father and their relationship of cooking and how she was so passionate about her dream, it lit a fire inside my twelve year old heart to strive from there. Dr. Facilier is my top best villain too so I immediately hopped onto this lol sorry for the rambling, just wanted to say thanks Jon and I’m really excited to see you go more into the voodoo culture in the future🙏🏼😖☺️
That Lilo & Stitch shout out - such a good deep cut
You really blanked in this video!! Wow. I’m writing my dissertation on this topic and you did such a good job making complicated material so digestible!!!
Thank you for covering magical traditions with a level head. I would love to hear more about voodoo. I also appreciate that you cover all religion and not just one or two select ones.
I'm not very familiar with voodoo deities but i appreciate that as always you did some thorough research and pointed out the propaganda that has led to the current stereotype associated with the religion.
Really looking forward to some more voodoo content.
Maman Brigdet, her various name spellings, origins in Ireland and Catholicism, and relation to Jeanne D’Arc; definitely a warranted video now
Blood magic could be from Santería, not especially familiar with it but from what I recall (might recall, it's been a while and I can get distracted easily) Joey Diaz saying that there is some blood involved in certain rituals. Plus blood magic just seems like something more sinister and binding.
Would love to see you go through out her things like voodoo, pegan lore that would be so cool
It’s really interesting to hear your take on the Shadow Man. If you’re up for a challenge, you should do one for Mama Odie. She’s such an enigma.
Such a cool video!! Thank you so much
You did such an awesome job Jon !!!
There's really isn't a lot of lore on voodoo. But I hear Baron Samedi is kinda like Lord Death of soul eater(haven't really watched it) He's the grim reaper but he has a comedic side to him.
@Trinity M 😕 Didn't mean any disrespect. I just read that he's more mellow than more serious death deities. I meant it as a joke due to his seemingly laid back personality.
The Voodoo Mythology in this video was so so fascinating! I'd love for you to cover more
YES!!! I was waiting for Jon to bring up that Lilo and Stitch scene
Jon as always a great video!
Hey Jon. Great channel! Id like to add that Voodoo also has roots in the local indigenous Taino beliefs of the caribbean. No just the African. Its a beautiful belief system when you actually take the time to get past misconceptions. Be blessed brother and keep the great vids coming!
I for one would love to know the similarities between Africans and the Tainos, what I find fascinating is that all races believe in spirits and Gods even when they have not interacted with each other, fascinating. UK
@@Jenjen-qc5eq amongst indigenous people throughout the world, we all work with the same spirits. They are just named differently. This is why the interaction/integration between Africans and first nations people in the US was easy. The drum connects us.
@@tat2masheen every culture has a drumb but there weren't many Africans brought to America's majority slaves were American indians or imported in whites
@@tyronleung5276 as I said. The drum unites us. As for the rest of what you said. I dont really understand the idea youre trying to convey so I cannot comment on it.
@@tat2masheen the African information is vague at best and is just abunch of indian sent to africa by Portuguese and Spanish slavers who came back to the Caribbean misappropriating orishas and rastafarianism
A series on Voodoo/Hoodoo would be interesting. I see it pop up quite a bit in pop culture but I'm not sure how accurate the things I've seen it in have been.
I Love you & your platform so much Jon 😩 you’re the best ❣️
Please do more!!!! This was great
I'd like to hear more about Loas. Spirits like them have always been interesting to me. If I remember correctly (which I probably don't), they are associated with colors and each color corresponds with a type of personality.
Guede (life and death) are black and purple, if I remember correctly. Also The Guede are all party animals
@@skeletonbuyingpealts7134 They sound awesome! :D I think I remember hearing about Guede from an episode of Scariest Places on Earth. That series was spooky and entertaining when I was a kid/teenager, though I know it was fake. X)
looking up the 7 orishas tho diffrent from the Loa will help you and yes they are all specific to a personality and color though may over lap
@@sleepyallen5993 Awesome! Thanks! :D
@Trinity M I appreciate the advice.
Yes please cover more voodoo, particularly look into Mama Odi as I find similarities of another Loa with her, namely Erzulie
Awesome idea, Jon could delve into the history and practices of Manbo ( Voodoo Priestesses)
To do Tarot in the 'true' way.
1) Use cloth cards
2) Have the person being read cut their finger
3) Have them run the blood down the bottom of the deck (all should be facing the right way at this point)
4) Have them shuffle the deck themselves
5) Deal in your way, each dealer has their way to reading.
6) If they like their fate, have them burn the deck.
7) If they dislike their fate, have them bury the deck.
BRO thank you so much for this, this one of my absolute favorite Disney villains and I've been watching these movies since the beginning please do more voodoo videos this was too cool to be the only one!
I would love to see more on voodoo and hoodoo. There was a horror movie that came out some time ago, called "The Skeleton Key", which involved hoodoo. I'd love to learn more about some of the practices used in that movie. Also you should do a video on Marie Laveau, the alleged Queen of Voodoo. She was a regular character in "American Horror Story". I remember when "Coven" and "Apocalypse" aired, showing Papa Legba, I identified him as Baron Samedi. My mom said it was Papa Legba, but I knew it was the Baron all along.
The bottles that Mama Odie had hanging from her tree are known as spirit bottles, and when the wind blows through them, they'll clink together. The sound of their clinking is said to keep bad spirits away.
I'd love to learn more about Mamon Brigitte. Her evolution from Brigid the ancient druid deity of poetry, healing, and smithcraft to her adoption by the catholic church as Saint Brigid to becoming the wife and consort of Baron Samedi is very interesting. She's also associated with the production of alcohol in all three religions if I'm not mistaken. And I recall reading that her name and the name for Britain share the same etymological source, which means Bright in reference to the chalk white cliffs that surround it's shores.
Manman Brigitte, the wife of Baron Samedi represents the feminine aspect in the loa panthéon. Most of the loas have wives/husband to represent the sacred male and feminine energies. Some even have children like Erzulie Danton who is guardian to children and women. Her husband is Ougou Feraille, a military loa. Think of energy and frequency to start having an understanding of voodoo and its myriads symbols and manifestations. This old belief system existed before philosophy, psychology ect… there is a loa for everything and it is all tied up with the cosmos. These same loas repeat themselves in many cultures under different names. They are recognizable by their energy and frequency, they can also come directly and make themselves known in dreams. This is how Haitians were able to recognize the energy and frequency of the loas within the saints of the Catholic Church.
I absolutely love how they put shadow people in the princess and the frog you can see them in the corner of your eye as they walk past you
Yes. Please cover more of those.
I loved watching this!! Seeing you do a dive into Voodoo and African and African American culture blending to create such a diverse character and tradition. There is a show called Cloak and Dagger which takes place in New Orleans and uses a lot of Voodoo and it was very interesting to see. I would love to see you break down some of the things the characters do and how it came about to be part of Voodoo culture.
YES, more voodoo, please! I'd like to hear more about Mama Odi.
That would be a good video. Perhaps in that one he can discuss the history of Voodoo Manbo or voodoo Priestesses.
Absolutely! This was wonderful!
That Good fellows painting in the back is great.
Please cover the Orishas like Yemaya and Shango....
Yes
I love this character and great work on covering the history of Voodoo and being invested in making it as accurate as possible! Thanks for all the knowledge! I also love Doctor Facilier and I love this movie entirely. I also found out that Doctor Facilier is played by the same man who played Admiral Anderson in Mass Effect, two roles I love! Wonderful character acting with songs that have so much personality to heart wrenching emotional scenes. Great work!
Wonderful video! Thank you for sharing.
Yes! Cover more about Voodoo origins and changing customs It's very interesting
YES! FINALLY!
I've been waiting on this 🙌🏾 I'm tired of just Greek/Roman, Norse and Egyptian
I need more African, American, Australian, Asian religions. Things that's not well known
Sun Wukong will be a nice little series to go through things. You can use any animal reference to dive into it.
Egyptian is African.
Never tire of Egyptian, especially because the "explanations" rarely delve into the rich connections and evolutions over the millenia that ancient Egyptian culture existed. The Egyptians were obsessed with sex, death, and were pronounced nature worshippers. The Graeco-Roman mythology and religion, while complex in its own right, is markedly different in these regards. It's interesting: I've always found that much of the way in which Egyptian mythology and religion is viewed by the West, is through the lens we inherited from Graeco-Roman Roman culture. However, being a well-read Egyptophile since childhood, I know better 🙂✌🏼
@@blackeyedsusan727 Egyptian mythos are something else, the fact that the myth of Horus and Set's contendings exist is enough evidence of it.
@@BM-od2vg I know. I said need more African religions. Didn't say Egyptians ones aren't
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I’m happy you touched basis on the misconceptions on voodoo and how Hollywood and the church made it out to be some evil practice when it definitely isn’t. Keep up the good work!
This was fascinating you really did your research. I would love more videos on voodoo
Yes plz! More voodoo, btw thank you for doing all the research to present these amazing and informative videos!
Thank you for covering this topic. Dr. Facilier is one of my favorite Disney Villains, and I was curious on learning more about The Religon Of Voodoo. I would say I would want a Spin-off Backstory Movie about him, but I'm afraid Disney could tone down his Evilness and take away something important like his cards, blood catching talisman, or even his Shadow being sentient. But Maybe they'll show some flashbacks of him in The Upcoming Tiana show.
Yes keep going with voodoo mythology. I am totally lost on the topic. Thanks!
All your contact is great ! But specifically this one was amazing,! voodoo and hoodoo is deep and there's so much history about it please do more
This was great, thanks for doing into Voodoo. Erzuli or Damballa could be really interesting to explore, as well as deep dives into Papa Legba, Maman Brigitte, and Baron Samedi.
As an ATR practitioner I must say you did a phenomenal job on this episode your research was on point couple of things out of place but that’s quite all right great job!
Baron Samedi is one of my favorite mythological figures of all time. Also terrifying. But still favorite.