Great Video, like all of your tutorials. I use the anchor method a lot for launching and landing, and always pull the trim strap to depower the kite so it does not pull hard on the anchor, unless the wind is really light.
When landing with an anchor, I would NEVER have the leash disconnected before I have the chicken loop secured on the anchor. Once the kite is secured on the anchor, I would disconnect the leash and then connect the flag out line to the anchor as well. This does two things, if the kite pulls out of your grasp while transferring it to the anchor, it won't go blowing down wind on it's own. Second, once you have the kite anchored, if the loop or the safety release fails for whatever reason, or the flag out line will keep the kite from blowing downwind on its own as well.
Yep very dangerous. The anchor + line walk is obviously the best method with the safety leash connected to the anchor as well. low risk as long as nothing is downwind. If the kite goes crazy, you just need to run back up wind out outside the kite perimeter and pull the safety.
Have self landed plenty of times... surely the safest way is ejecting. However, the last technique can be done is much safer way, not requesting the rider to move all the way to the kite. You can simply reach the upper center line, move upwind and pull it hard. The kite will drop safely. Done it in low and medium wind speeds. In high Vs, is a little riskier. In low Vs, land with safety line up, and you only need to walk upwind and pull it hard, from behind the chicken loop. In high winds, always eject, as the kite can easily fly up again.
My favorite is line walk... it is very easy and does not mess up the lines... especially when there is no anchor on the beach. I let the kite turn totally down, move 90• and walk facing it.
Bonus technique #6: Attempt unhooked trick, crash, let go of bar, realize you forgot to connect your leash. This is relatively safe for the rider, but much less safe for the kite.
interesting video! thank you as always! as a beginner I see the Line Walk as really dangerous, I have seen a video of a kiter that make another variation of the Overfly/collapse technique taking only one(the upper) front line, seams it work pretty well too
In my opinion, the colapse method 5:54 is one of the safest and I've done in 25 knots winds. If the kite launches itself, an experienced rider can easily control it. But you must pull the lines to put it downwind.
The line walk method is more successful when you take hold of the front lines and walk up-wind then towards the kite to let the kite fall over onto its back (pump up position). The kite is now depowered, straight down -wind of you and it is safe and easy to walk up the lines
Can we have a remote deflation button; once we keep the kite as much as possible close to the ground, we will press that remote button which will trigger the deflation of the kite and no risk at all😀
I use to do a sort of colapse and eject tecnique: take out power, start moving down in the edge of the window, then eject. Most of times the kite falls flaged out. When It goes wrong, is just like the eject method.
Hello Luiz, I think that's a good method too. Especially if your safety line is at the top of the kite. My safety line is my left center line, so if I fly the kite down to the right (towards 3 o'clock), and then eject before it touches down, the kite usually lands nicely. If I'm alone kiting, I often do this in the shallow water to make sure the kite doesn't get scratched on shells.
Past week was just me and another guy on the beach, he landed putting stones in the bag and attached the kite to the bag instead of asking me to kind of be the "bad ass guy".... When i finally reached the kite in open sea (it was going fast and i was not in the water) I was not even able to bring him back the kite because it was allready 2km from the shore, line perfectly in tensione due to the bag underwater that keep the bar "armed" and the kite facing open sea in relounch position.... Allways relaese chicken loop after you fix the bar to reach the kite. They are strong, don't panic to ruin it.. Best tech is to put it half way then smash it on the ground, then run downwind pulling the line downwind....but as he sayed > "be prepared if it relaouch, expecially if is a >20knt day :)
You should show how to land in pairs with another kiter. I find that the best method instead of risk yourself or your gear tbh. Land in pairs can be a bit trickier but def safer I would say.
When using overflying won't it help to walk downwind to help to depower the kite? Especially if there haven't been enough forward momentum in the kite.
Thanks Thomas. That's a good idea as there are different ways to launch and land a foil kite. We do have a new (more detailed) trainer kite video out soon, and when time allows I will also make an introduction for larger foil kites.
Why are you not wrapping the safety line in a figure of eight? Why are you wrapping it over the end of the bar? Seems like that will potentially create a tangled mess
Hi Simon, no you can use the quick release at any angle. Our kite was over water, so it didn't matter - the landing would not be hard. If you are on land, then find a good spot with no shells, rocks, people etc. Then lower the kite to 9 or 3 o'clock and use the safety. Since my kite uses the left center line as a safety line, I would get the quickest landing if I lower it to 3 o'clock and use the quick release. If your safety line is the right center line, then lower the kite to 9 o'clock. Remember also that the kite will likely drift downwind after using the quick release (especially on snow), so the area downwind of you must be completely clear.
Could anyone please explain why the bar would travel several metres towards the kite when you activate the quick release? Why would it not just travel the length of the leash?
One thing about anchored; i live closeby a very gusty lunch spot, its just wrong that it cant be gusty, just be aware of the following: Be assure no one else is in the vicinity of your anchored kite(both upwind and downwind), make sure your anchor can take the wind, control your kite while anchored(if high winds, keep the kite as close to water as possible, since the windforce will be less and more "stable" there). WARNING HIGH WIND; if you belive putting on board at 12clock is smart......Dont do This! keep the %#"¤)(¤#" kite close to the water.......... TLDR; Got told so many times, ITS DANGEROUS TO LAUNCH ALONE, blah blah blah blah(highest ive anchored alone is gust 40-44kt with "stable" wind 33kt with a 9sqm bandit, its doable but i cant recommend it, it will wildy wander from sea to 12). But many of us kite alone, many times you start with alot of kiters but when you go ashore there is no-one there. My tip is to always locate a possible anchor before you start to kite. In my experience, you never know when you will be the last out of the water! A good anchor is your tow bar on your car, always bring a rope with spring hook on it! F-One kites!....pre 2019 have double safety lines(retardation) so non of these self land methods are possible in normal winds 18kt+. So anchor is my perferd option, any winds! Recommend learning it in low winds :)
Do you have a suggestion on how to self land Duotone Evo SLS with high V? Just got it and it’s not the same as reaching the power line to pull it down. Thanks!
Hello Crz4wnd. With such a rare and expensive kite I would definitely try to avoid self landing if at all possible. I'd hate to get the slightest mark on mine, especially as most repair centers won't even have the leading edge material in stock yet. Anyway with the high Y you can do all of the self landings exactly the same with high or low Y, except where you collapse by pulling the upper center line as the kite lands. I guess that's the method you're talking about, is that correct? For the collapse method, with a click bar and a high Y, your bright red safety line is the left center line (or it should be). So if you lower the kite to the right side (2:30) then the red safety line will be the higher center line. You can then let the kite drop to 3 (hopefully somewhere soft) and then pull in the safety line to help bring the leading edge down. It's worth noting that an anchored landing has less chance of scratching the kite (of course you need an anchor, and clean wind so the kite sits still). The line walk also has less chance of scratching the kite, but this take more practice and becomes dangerous in stronger wind. Let me know if you have any more questions. I will try and get a clip of this with my 360 camera some time.
@@kitesurfcollege that's super helpful and yes I used a buddy last time. However, the spot in which I ride we have to drift launch and self land in the same spot often, so self landing is needed in waist deep water in which you may not have a buddy readily available. If you can post a demo video it would be fantastic!!
@@kitesurfcollege One more question Alex, first time I used the click bar, and loved it but noticed that the TPU covered depower tube is a bit "sticky" when the bar moving at an angle up and down. Am I the onyl one that noticed that? is it a feature or a defect? or operator error? lol
@@ippovrohidis8840 what year click is it? And did you just get it? I don't have any sticking issues. I remember when my click was unused the tube almost felt like it had a glossy, lacquered finish on the depower tube, almost a bit sticky to the touch. So if it's brand new then you may experience a stick when the tube isn't straight. However, once the bar is wet, or after a few sessions the tube seems to smooth off with use and loose any surface stickiness (for want of a better word). I've tested a lot of bars and I would say the click bar is the best. It's got the most depower range, the most trim range, the most simple appearance allowing you to see your safety line clearly, and the best longevity* of any commercial bar. *To make my click bars last I never use the mechanism (the twist to increase angle of attack) when the bar's sandy. I can imagine sand might drop inside the bar if you twist while it's covered in sand, and that could easily reduce longevity. Enjoy it, and let me know any more Qs you have. Best regards, Alex.
@@kitesurfcollege Thanks again for this Alex, very helpful...on another note, do you have any advice on the setting of the high V/Y ring? does it make any difference on how the kite responds to gusts etc or how it rides on the window or how it turns? Thanks much for any insight. (for reference I use it on the highest Y setting (closest to the leading edge) with the Evo SLS
Yes in moderate wind strength .. thou when your on a 9m or 7m ... 25mph to 40mph winds .. this is impossible ..... best option sit on ground . Dig feet well into sand . Until helper turns up
Hello Bill, no I don't live at the Breede river. We just travel there to collect footage, or to kite flat water. It's in South Africa, so not too expensive to visit. Food and accommodation is a bit cheaper than in the EU, US etc.
A lot of mistakes , this ways works only with soft wind and without waves …the only one good is to ancore the kite but miss to have to keep a back line while going take kite
Good question Peter. 40 knots is really only for very experienced, advanced or professional kiters (who will find a way to land the kite in a pinch); but even they really shouldn't go out on their own in such conditions. You definitely want a buddy or two in serious wind. Two days ago, in fact, I skipped a session as it was over 40kn and I was the only one at the beach (it was also raining, gusty and visibility was poor).
7:01sec yes you should do that in 25+ knots. even for intermediate riders, its not risky. its safer. practice it whenever you can. also you can do this with just the bottom front centre line. and if you are confident, you can unhook the chicken loop and leash and leave it on the ground behind you so that it doesn't get in the way and so that it doesn't get sandy by dragging behind you.
Maybe an instructor shouldn't be begged to learn a foreign language for the sake of others too fucking lazy to find instructions in a language they understand, filthy vermin.
The advice on this video is not safe. For tethered landing never disconnect you chicken loop from your harness until the tether has been made. The girl in the video disconnected her chicken loop, had no control. If a gust of wind came she would be dragged off out of control. Never wind up you lines on water, again sudden gust can relaunch the kite, you have no control and you are in the danger zone. Generally, bad advice. Kite surfer 20 years experience.
So ... in other words, YOU ejected for what ever reason but the GUIDE is bogus ?? lol and WTH are you doing self landing or launching in 35 knots??? With that wind, there had to be other kites around. If not, WTH are you doing out there in 35 knots by yourself ?? So many questions :P Oh but yeah... the GUIDE is bogus. Have a nice day :)
If I can’t over shoot and stall land the kite I pull the safety and then I use the walk up line - either a safety line or a steering (wingtip) line. I use the hook on the bar and place a hand either side to feed the line - this way I’ve only cut my hands once (34 knots) in many years of cold heavy air. Line tangles can initiate relaunch but usually controlled by the steering line feed in.
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Great Video, like all of your tutorials. I use the anchor method a lot for launching and landing, and always pull the trim strap to depower the kite so it does not pull hard on the anchor, unless the wind is really light.
Thanks for all of your tutorial videos. They are super helpful. Keep up the good work guys
Thanks Justin.
When landing with an anchor, I would NEVER have the leash disconnected before I have the chicken loop secured on the anchor. Once the kite is secured on the anchor, I would disconnect the leash and then connect the flag out line to the anchor as well. This does two things, if the kite pulls out of your grasp while transferring it to the anchor, it won't go blowing down wind on it's own. Second, once you have the kite anchored, if the loop or the safety release fails for whatever reason, or the flag out line will keep the kite from blowing downwind on its own as well.
Agree ! And i would never walk up wind to grab the kite... Big mistake !
Yep very dangerous. The anchor + line walk is obviously the best method with the safety leash connected to the anchor as well. low risk as long as nothing is downwind. If the kite goes crazy, you just need to run back up wind out outside the kite perimeter and pull the safety.
Have self landed plenty of times... surely the safest way is ejecting. However, the last technique can be done is much safer way, not requesting the rider to move all the way to the kite. You can simply reach the upper center line, move upwind and pull it hard. The kite will drop safely. Done it in low and medium wind speeds. In high Vs, is a little riskier. In low Vs, land with safety line up, and you only need to walk upwind and pull it hard, from behind the chicken loop.
In high winds, always eject, as the kite can easily fly up again.
My favorite is line walk... it is very easy and does not mess up the lines... especially when there is no anchor on the beach. I let the kite turn totally down, move 90• and walk facing it.
Great videos, as always.
I always refer your channel to people I know who are taking classes.
Thank you Pierre.
Thanks for this great visualization
By far- BEST Kiting tutorials on UA-cam!!! Thanks for all your work; I've learned a lot from you!!! New location? Where is that?
Thanks very much. We're in South Africa now, and that was filmed at Witsand on the Breede river.
Bonus technique #6: Attempt unhooked trick, crash, let go of bar, realize you forgot to connect your leash. This is relatively safe for the rider, but much less safe for the kite.
Rats, I forgot that one. Next time!
lol
t sounds like speaking from experience
Great video, thanks for uploading 🌷
interesting video! thank you as always! as a beginner I see the Line Walk as really dangerous, I have seen a video of a kiter that make another variation of the Overfly/collapse technique taking only one(the upper) front line, seams it work pretty well too
exactly, but this only works for a low Y bar / line configuration. Otherwise you just cant reach the top line (like in the core kites shown here)
In my opinion, the colapse method 5:54 is one of the safest and I've done in 25 knots winds. If the kite launches itself, an experienced rider can easily control it. But you must pull the lines to put it downwind.
really useful and clear! thanks!
The line walk method is more successful when you take hold of the front lines and walk up-wind then towards the kite to let the kite fall over onto its back (pump up position). The kite is now depowered, straight down -wind of you and it is safe and easy to walk up the lines
Can we have a remote deflation button; once we keep the kite as much as possible close to the ground, we will press that remote button which will trigger the deflation of the kite and no risk at all😀
I use to do a sort of colapse and eject tecnique: take out power, start moving down in the edge of the window, then eject. Most of times the kite falls flaged out. When It goes wrong, is just like the eject method.
Hello Luiz, I think that's a good method too. Especially if your safety line is at the top of the kite. My safety line is my left center line, so if I fly the kite down to the right (towards 3 o'clock), and then eject before it touches down, the kite usually lands nicely. If I'm alone kiting, I often do this in the shallow water to make sure the kite doesn't get scratched on shells.
7:56 never detach safety leash before attaching chicken loop to the anchor
Past week was just me and another guy on the beach, he landed putting stones in the bag and attached the kite to the bag instead of asking me to kind of be the "bad ass guy"....
When i finally reached the kite in open sea (it was going fast and i was not in the water) I was not even able to bring him back the kite because it was allready 2km from the shore, line perfectly in tensione due to the bag underwater that keep the bar "armed" and the kite facing open sea in relounch position....
Allways relaese chicken loop after you fix the bar to reach the kite. They are strong, don't panic to ruin it..
Best tech is to put it half way then smash it on the ground, then run downwind pulling the line downwind....but as he sayed > "be prepared if it relaouch, expecially if is a >20knt day
:)
You should show how to land in pairs with another kiter. I find that the best method instead of risk yourself or your gear tbh. Land in pairs can be a bit trickier but def safer I would say.
Thank you..very helful
With the anchor method how heavy would you reccomend as in the video you used a concrete block and a large piece of drift wood.
When using overflying won't it help to walk downwind to help to depower the kite? Especially if there haven't been enough forward momentum in the kite.
Great tutorial. Is there any chance you can do a similar video with foil kites?
Thanks Thomas. That's a good idea as there are different ways to launch and land a foil kite. We do have a new (more detailed) trainer kite video out soon, and when time allows I will also make an introduction for larger foil kites.
Cheers!
0:35 What if the safety Leash is connected to both leading lines?
Is that old skool or still common?
Does it involve any risks?
What if I have a two line flag out kite (f-one bandit
EVERY self landing tutorial is recorded in very light wind conditions. Show the real deal!
Why are you not wrapping the safety line in a figure of eight? Why are you wrapping it over the end of the bar? Seems like that will potentially create a tangled mess
Thanks
...nothing worse than being in BLASTING WIND with nobody around to land ya .. . . .
Do you really need to bring the kite to 12 clock to land with quick realese? The hit on the surface or if you are on land will be so hard for the kite
Hi Simon, no you can use the quick release at any angle. Our kite was over water, so it didn't matter - the landing would not be hard. If you are on land, then find a good spot with no shells, rocks, people etc. Then lower the kite to 9 or 3 o'clock and use the safety. Since my kite uses the left center line as a safety line, I would get the quickest landing if I lower it to 3 o'clock and use the quick release. If your safety line is the right center line, then lower the kite to 9 o'clock. Remember also that the kite will likely drift downwind after using the quick release (especially on snow), so the area downwind of you must be completely clear.
Could anyone please explain why the bar would travel several metres towards the kite when you activate the quick release? Why would it not just travel the length of the leash?
It has to travel at least one kite span to fully depower.
What if I’m using a 2011 cabrinha ids system? 9 time out of 10 the kite just inverts and flys just above the power zone.
One thing about anchored; i live closeby a very gusty lunch spot, its just wrong that it cant be gusty, just be aware of the following: Be assure no one else is in the vicinity of your anchored kite(both upwind and downwind), make sure your anchor can take the wind, control your kite while anchored(if high winds, keep the kite as close to water as possible, since the windforce will be less and more "stable" there). WARNING HIGH WIND; if you belive putting on board at 12clock is smart......Dont do This! keep the %#"¤)(¤#" kite close to the water..........
TLDR;
Got told so many times, ITS DANGEROUS TO LAUNCH ALONE, blah blah blah blah(highest ive anchored alone is gust 40-44kt with "stable" wind 33kt with a 9sqm bandit, its doable but i cant recommend it, it will wildy wander from sea to 12). But many of us kite alone, many times you start with alot of kiters but when you go ashore there is no-one there. My tip is to always locate a possible anchor before you start to kite. In my experience, you never know when you will be the last out of the water! A good anchor is your tow bar on your car, always bring a rope with spring hook on it!
F-One kites!....pre 2019 have double safety lines(retardation) so non of these self land methods are possible in normal winds 18kt+. So anchor is my perferd option, any winds! Recommend learning it in low winds :)
Do you have a suggestion on how to self land Duotone Evo SLS with high V? Just got it and it’s not the same as reaching the power line to pull it down. Thanks!
Hello Crz4wnd. With such a rare and expensive kite I would definitely try to avoid self landing if at all possible. I'd hate to get the slightest mark on mine, especially as most repair centers won't even have the leading edge material in stock yet. Anyway with the high Y you can do all of the self landings exactly the same with high or low Y, except where you collapse by pulling the upper center line as the kite lands. I guess that's the method you're talking about, is that correct? For the collapse method, with a click bar and a high Y, your bright red safety line is the left center line (or it should be). So if you lower the kite to the right side (2:30) then the red safety line will be the higher center line. You can then let the kite drop to 3 (hopefully somewhere soft) and then pull in the safety line to help bring the leading edge down. It's worth noting that an anchored landing has less chance of scratching the kite (of course you need an anchor, and clean wind so the kite sits still). The line walk also has less chance of scratching the kite, but this take more practice and becomes dangerous in stronger wind. Let me know if you have any more questions. I will try and get a clip of this with my 360 camera some time.
@@kitesurfcollege that's super helpful and yes I used a buddy last time. However, the spot in which I ride we have to drift launch and self land in the same spot often, so self landing is needed in waist deep water in which you may not have a buddy readily available. If you can post a demo video it would be fantastic!!
@@kitesurfcollege One more question Alex, first time I used the click bar, and loved it but noticed that the TPU covered depower tube is a bit "sticky" when the bar moving at an angle up and down. Am I the onyl one that noticed that? is it a feature or a defect? or operator error? lol
@@ippovrohidis8840 what year click is it? And did you just get it? I don't have any sticking issues. I remember when my click was unused the tube almost felt like it had a glossy, lacquered finish on the depower tube, almost a bit sticky to the touch. So if it's brand new then you may experience a stick when the tube isn't straight. However, once the bar is wet, or after a few sessions the tube seems to smooth off with use and loose any surface stickiness (for want of a better word). I've tested a lot of bars and I would say the click bar is the best. It's got the most depower range, the most trim range, the most simple appearance allowing you to see your safety line clearly, and the best longevity* of any commercial bar. *To make my click bars last I never use the mechanism (the twist to increase angle of attack) when the bar's sandy. I can imagine sand might drop inside the bar if you twist while it's covered in sand, and that could easily reduce longevity. Enjoy it, and let me know any more Qs you have. Best regards, Alex.
@@kitesurfcollege Thanks again for this Alex, very helpful...on another note, do you have any advice on the setting of the high V/Y ring? does it make any difference on how the kite responds to gusts etc or how it rides on the window or how it turns? Thanks much for any insight. (for reference I use it on the highest Y setting (closest to the leading edge) with the Evo SLS
Yes in moderate wind strength .. thou when your on a 9m or 7m ... 25mph to 40mph winds .. this is impossible ..... best option sit on ground . Dig feet well into sand . Until helper turns up
Do you live there? (if not, is it expensive to travel there?)
Hello Bill, no I don't live at the Breede river. We just travel there to collect footage, or to kite flat water. It's in South Africa, so not too expensive to visit. Food and accommodation is a bit cheaper than in the EU, US etc.
Where is it?
Breede River in South Africa.
A lot of mistakes , this ways works only with soft wind and without waves …the only one good is to ancore the kite but miss to have to keep a back line while going take kite
Why do 10 people say any of this was bad by down thumbing it.
What is the world coming too
What about 40 knots+? Self rescue is up to 35 knots, so maybe a prayer could help. 🙂
Good question Peter. 40 knots is really only for very experienced, advanced or professional kiters (who will find a way to land the kite in a pinch); but even they really shouldn't go out on their own in such conditions. You definitely want a buddy or two in serious wind. Two days ago, in fact, I skipped a session as it was over 40kn and I was the only one at the beach (it was also raining, gusty and visibility was poor).
I can't see anything because of the subtitles. thank you!!!!
yeah this tree doesen't feel so heavy,if the kite for god sake go in the heavy power position you gonna have the most dangerous weapon in the world.
Is this Self parking or self rescue?!
Francesca Maruffi
Self land using a securing method from self rescue is what I got out of it
Self landing Francesca. However, one way to self land is to use the standard self rescue procedure.
7:01sec yes you should do that in 25+ knots. even for intermediate riders, its not risky. its safer. practice it whenever you can. also you can do this with just the bottom front centre line. and if you are confident, you can unhook the chicken loop and leash and leave it on the ground behind you so that it doesn't get in the way and so that it doesn't get sandy by dragging behind you.
never self land with people around, and always only self land with enough room down wind to flag out without hitting anyone or anything.
Thanks, but that background "music"is irritating.
use a sand bag
In spanish please??? Thanks i hope that this video will be in spanish in a future
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Learn English!
maybe you should open your mind.@@SuperWeissmuller
Maybe an instructor shouldn't be begged to learn a foreign language for the sake of others too fucking lazy to find instructions in a language they understand, filthy vermin.
Now in 35knots + all I see is wind just to get out of the water with foils
Without audio I didn’t find it helpful.
John B hi, it definitely has audio in all regions. Could be an issue with your browser, YT app, speakers etc. Maybe try on another device.
Ah, you are correct. First time that has happened when watching YT on my iPad. Thanks for your response. Changing my rating to thumbs up.
The advice on this video is not safe.
For tethered landing never disconnect you chicken loop from your harness until the tether has been made. The girl in the video disconnected her chicken loop, had no control. If a gust of wind came she would be dragged off out of control.
Never wind up you lines on water, again sudden gust can relaunch the kite, you have no control and you are in the danger zone.
Generally, bad advice. Kite surfer 20 years experience.
whatever, I ejected self landing like this on a single line in 35 knots, and it snapped my fairly new front line. this guide is bogus.
So ... in other words, YOU ejected for what ever reason but the GUIDE is bogus ?? lol and WTH are you doing self landing or launching in 35 knots??? With that wind, there had to be other kites around. If not, WTH are you doing out there in 35 knots by yourself ?? So many questions :P
Oh but yeah... the GUIDE is bogus. Have a nice day :)
anchor is bogus, it will blow away in a gust. this guide is bogus.
you seem a little bogus !
If I can’t over shoot and stall land the kite I pull the safety and then I use the walk up line - either a safety line or a steering (wingtip) line. I use the hook on the bar and place a hand either side to feed the line - this way I’ve only cut my hands once (34 knots) in many years of cold heavy air. Line tangles can initiate relaunch but usually controlled by the steering line feed in.