21:23 for someone "talking out if his ass" Connor is actually pretty much right. The culture surrounding k-idols and j-idols is very different in that way
I think the word Connor was looking is "transmedia" or multiformat (say movies and video games). I'm into K-Pop and thought that immediately, that with J-Pop it's just music, but with K-Pop, it's all encompassing.
@@Shaun_rimuru It may be more par for the course with Japanese media (as he explained) because of the culture there. I don't think it's to the same degree with Korean media (I'm a half-chinese American, so I can't truly speak to what living in either nation is like).
@@alext3811"with jpop it's all about the music" You couldn't be more wrong. There isn't a tv show in Japan that doesn't have idols. Even news segments are being done by idols. Idols do weather reports and become ambassadors for prefectures. All the popular movies have idols. Meguro Ren for instance had a huge drama with silent last year and the My Blissful Marriage movie adaptation this year. If anything, Japanese idols are more required to find popularity outside of music while k-pop idols mostly are for the music and videos. And most k-pop idols suck at acting in comparison to j idols who are usually decent
The whole idea behind AKB was to make their members more accessible like underground idols but do that in the mainstream. Having tons of members makes sense in that context because it gives fans the experience and feel of being "the special few" who support a certain idol while also making mainstream money (or at least the people pulling the strings do).
Agree with Connor on weekly anime. For a really good show being able to spend a week thinking about an episode, and then spending all that time with the show makes it stick with me much longer. When I binge a show it loses so much impact. I likw to binge really mid shows, but looove to draw out watching a great show.
MAPPA should have done more than 12 episodes for Chainsaw Man, but like Connor said maybe it's too weird compared to Demon Slayer or Jujutsu Kaisen. Either way it's really popular worldwide and in Japan, the MAPPA CEO was saying that because Japanese fans didn't buy much Blu-Ray DVDs.
maybe if the western audience buys more blu-rays and dvds and also buy the english dub version because the dub goes really hard (sometimes better than sub imo) - it could work for them and provide them enough budget so that they can at least announce season 2?
@@jatinchanchlani8982 Yeah surprisingly the EN dub is also good. But then again CSM should have at least 24 episodes to make more enjoyable and satisfaction.
@@justin02199x ye i think with alll the hype they had they def should have done it a season with enough episodes for 2 seasons cause who knows if they'll have the same hype again cause like literally no anime had that much anticipation and hype they should have make the most of it
@@timooverhyped4528 manga fans cry every time. Even i was a manga reader for Chainsaw man and I adored it. Especially the anime original stuff. They also outdid themself by making a really, solid English dub which I prefer over japanese dub
I understand exactly how Connor feels about the wait and reflecting on where you were while following something. It's more of an emotional attachment, but it's in a good and nostalgic but happy way. It's hard to explain, but I actually agree with this view a lot. It's funny because I'd expect Garnt or Joey to be more of a sentimental guy, but it's nice Connor is like this! Kinda cool and refreshing, too, but maybe that's just because I really relate to what Connor was saying in this section.
Rowing is like the absolute best cardio. It is cardio WHILE you work out all your core muscles, and have less strain on the joints than running for example.
Fun Fact, there is actually a Kpop idol who was once part of AKB 48 or like one of its Japanese sister groups! She's been in the industry since she was 13, which is absolutely crazy. Her name is Sakura Miyawaki, I recommend looking her story up its really interesting!
I’m with Conner with watching weekly, I used to hate waiting weekly until I started working and as your time becomes limited you can treat yourself to an episode or 2 if you’ve been really busy and it’s nice since you don’t feel sluggish after binging.
Disappointed that Oshi no ko was put in the thumbnail but wasn't even covered (even though I know some of the boys already talked about the manga). :( It's my favorite.
I actually agree or seeee what Connor was trying to say regarding the difference with kpop. they definitely seem to market themselves more as real artists (now we all know not all kpop idols produce write etc) but they do cater themselves to TRY to be the hardest dancer the coolest rapper etc. Whereas the massive idol groups in Japan are definitely more yes we will do these cute n simpler dances and chanty songs and perform for YOU. however, I do think there are many Japanese idol groups who so have intense choreo and vocals and rapping and who are involved in creative production. but what I think what Connor was saying is that kpop groups do SEEM to come across as more like musical artists rather than just performers
1:42:20 The thing with Eva is that it came just in the right moment, with a concept that blew audiences minds with a few shows to compete. Its a shame that CSM hasn't been able to do the same. Specially on how the theme could resonate with gen z, and people that like movies. Fujimoto is a cinephile, and it is no surprise the show is that succesful in the west. But it wont get enough time to get to the better parts (S3 probably)
No innocent adult would mantain a paid conversation with a minor, i mean i am a teacher, a love my job, and seeing the students improve and grow. But every time, even if i try not to think that, that i run into a student outside of the class room, and they are kind enought to say hi and stablish a conversation, my subconcious tells me "Ok, this is weird. Be polite and say good bye"..
The marketing talk is exactly why "generic" stuff done well like Demon Slayer does so well Like it is the most cookie-cutter standard plot and story, but the execution is so good that due to the thematic groundwork anyone can enjoy it Thats why even grandparents can be like "oh yeah it's good"
The Idol industry makes all of the American entertainment industry seem wholesome. You can make a sub genre out of Anime or Games that call out the Idol industry's toxicity and abuse.
I was kinda amazed by this aspect of Japanse culture myself and I just didn't understand it either, so I did some research into it some years ago and what I gathered was: 48 became a thing because it's a music group set up as a show. So every night you can just go to the theater and see your Idols. And having a group of underage girls working 7 nights a week is kinda not allowed. So they just made multiple "teams" which did the same songs every night like a show at an amusement parks that is like every 2 hours. But then they became more a thing about finding your idol and following them. I also think that there are only true Nintendo fans as it's kinda the only console/game company out there. Like their are good games on the Playstation and the Xbox. But there is no the Sony franchise. or the Xbox franchise. Every one says "I'm a god of war fan"or "I'm a gears of war fan." While people who are Mario, Kirby, Pokémon fan identify as a Nintendo fan. Also because all the big Nintendo games are kinda aiming towards the same feeling... the Nintendo feeling.
1:36:13 To me this is happening with Jacksepticeye. I subscribed to his channel just a few months before the Pewdiepie shout out, in the beginning of the Far Cry 3 era. That was 10 and a half years ago and I was 9 at the time. I'm 20 now and have only missed the Among Us videos out of the thousands uploaded. I remember running home from school to do everything and catch the two videos he'd upload every day at 8. Then I remember his second explosion with the start of the live shows and collabs (also, green hair a.k.a. 2015/16). Then him burning out and stopping the two videos per day after 5 years of never breaking the streak. I lived through all of that and it comprises half of my life.. I've seen this man on my screen almost every day since early 2013... It's insane
Rare episode where Connor is right on almost every debate topic (JPop v/s KPop, JJK v/s CSM, Shinji v/s Denji, etc.), but unfortunately concedes very early to boys on each one.
I'm with Connor on watching week to week, but it also depends on the show. Some shows I want everything at once. Others I like being able to sit with a show, talk with other people about it, and gain a deeper appreciation for the story.
Just throwing it out there: there is also a sci-fi anime about AKB48 called "AKB0048" with idols and guns and shit, and now I really wanna see Garnt's reaction to it😂
Also Chainsaw Man is a hard series to get into if you want to watch the story. Manga readers filled every comment sections( even if other shows). Before you could see the show you knew all the twist and future characters. Everyone making videos and fanart were/are manga reader. With most anime there is some level of divid between anime only and manga readers but with CM you can't be anime only and not be spoiled. People probably didn't watch because they knew the story already.
Most of my favorite anime are 12-13 episodes, Zombieland Saga, Hinamatsuri, Bunnygirl-Senpai. They're very similar to some much longer anime I like (Gintama, Haruhi, Monogatari), and the shortness is the reason I prefer them.
TT coming to Germany is quite brave. After some of the takes Garnt for example had about bread,Germany is probably the last place he should let himself be seen in. Still cool to see them in Europe though.
on the music contracts: idol companies create the groups, western labels find some talent. exploitation is still a problem in the west like the “360 deals” but as you said it’s much more documented and artists are more vocal. but even in kpop contacts are slowly shifting more favorable to idols.
I'm a casual gamer. Started with the NES, Atari, GB, GBC, N64, Xbox, Dreamcast, PS, PS2, GameCube, Xbox 360, Xbox One, Switch, and finally Xbox Series X. The only game series I will stop and buy is Story of Seasons title the OG Harvest Moon not that NA stuff. WOW looks like gran-daddy Kadokawa and daddy Bookwalker want to see how you fair at the big boys/girls table; give it and have fun.
On Bocchi demographics: tastes change as you get older. I'm in my early 40s and I notice that action scenes just don't do it for me like they used to. I'm watching Trigun Stampede and I see that it's a fantastic show that should check all the boxes for me, and...I just find it all right. I almost have to force myself to watch it. Its annoying, I want to like it. Bocchi oth hit me like truck-kun and it's my favourite anime ever. Maybe Garnt enjoys Bocchi because he's getting older?
People really talking about how the podcast uploading slightly late ks throwing off their schedule. Bro, theyre pretty open, especially now, about paranormal relationships and you guys really proved it. I love them too but damn
53:35 Lol I had to rewatch that a few times. My inner voice screamed "WHAT!?!" and so did staff. Omg that is hilarious. But, not gonna lie, I kinda wanna go to that cafe.
Connor had good taste here, in my opinion. Like also some shows are bingeable and you wont lose most of the story jumping from one to the other. Shows like erased, summertime rendering, 86, to your eternity, and rezero even etc worked well having the ep cement for the week (while one waited for the next) they do make you think at least a well enough to a point sub-consciously at least. with shounen not really, things just happen most of the time it aint typically too deep and thats fine but thats also why its bingeable.
idk if its just me, but youtube has definitely hiding their uploads from me. I haven't been recommended one of their videos in months and I actually thought they stopped uploading, despite being subscribed.
The part where people are contributing to society, I see it in 2 ways: 1. Be not part of the negative statistics. Ex, drug statistic, obese statistics, victim/crimes statistics. When you are not part of those statistics, as a whole, you are part of the society that contribute positive numbers on paper and you are also in a healthy state of being. Safe, sufficient funds, good body weight. 2. Picking up trash randomly on the street, helping old ladies cross the road, smiling at kids, those are extra things. They are small but if more people are encourage to do these things, then is that not contribution? It's ok if people see it as a waster of times. It's just, you know, errr...I don't know how to explain this part.... I know how to explain this part, it's not part of your jobscope as a human, and these extra things are more than what you can give outside your jobscope, helps not just yourself but others as well.
52:00 taste aside isn't that a literal reference to the omurice in the show with the cursed spell? did none of them watch the entire season of bocchi??
I like how the boys talk about these issues in the industry. They don't shit on one certain industry but they realize that every kind of industry has its dark sides, some have moved past it but it did exist, while it still persists in other countries
Chainsaw man wasn't a financial failure. The CEO confirmed that it was a financial success. Here is what the CEO actually said - " Financially, it was a complete success. However, I'm still not satisfied with whether it has the same impact as "Jujutsu Kaisen", which I worked on most recently. "
So it made money, but didn't have the popularity of other MAPPA works. Seeing how the studio put everything into making Chainsaw Man since they love the manga, and vowed to adapt all of the author's works, they're basically the kind of fans that really want you to like the same thing they like.
They should have made the first season of 24 eps then , more eps definately creates a bigger impact, and all of us know that the second half of csm is wayy stronger than its first half
I find it ironic that one of the main topics of this episode was parasocial relationships, and in the comments there are a bunch of people talking about preparing meals to eat while watching this or feel anxiety that they uploaded late. It's eerie in a way.
@@WD_Batora And in effect just like the dichotomy between western and eastern media, TT fans idolize them like they're their friend (parasocial stories be like)
To see it more optimistically, I made food as well, cause it's like an episode a TV show just released, it's entertainment. I find it's a lot more enjoyable when I take it as entertainment rather than the parasocial aspect.
Think preparing meals to eat with TT is normal. It's probably a comfortable routine. I do my weekend chores with TT in the background, sort of like a weekly tv show you catch upon. But can't deny that these guys especially Connor probably have people idolizing them with how much of their life is constantly in the public eye
I think marketing for Korean idols and Japanese idols are much different. Kpop takes more hints from western culture which is focused on the content released. I’m not super versed with Jpop but it seems like they’re more focused on the parasocial aspect which kind of makes sense if you think about how much Japan promotes the idea of parasocial relationships. Although both fields are heavily reliant on that connection with the fans.
This is true, fan meets for K-pop idols and other similar events were actually inspired by Japanese idols. A lot of Japans Idol culture is to cater to the fans first, music seconds, for K-pop it’s typically the opposite or both are held to equal standards
I think kpop started off with a lot of the aspects of parasocial relationship and still to this day has less to do with music and more to do with idols themselves. I realised kpop fans r similar if not more toxic than jpop fans and a big problem r the companies, they force this being obsessed with an idol a lot in order to earn extra profits from fanmeets and selling their merches
For those who have pain running: If you have a sharp pain in one or both of your knees, you’re probably overstriding and should try landing on your entire foot instead of heel-toe If you feel a grinding pain in your pelvis, you probably have a muscle imbalance and are overcompensating with one leg and it’s excessively wearing. Focus on you form and try to apply equal force with both feet. Also, you should try to train your hip flexors; there are machines that do this if you have a gym membership, but if not you can look up ways to train them with your body weight on UA-cam. If you have pain or really bad stiffness in your lower back, it could be because you aren’t engaging your core properly. Try to lightly flex your abs and seat your shoulder blades down towards your ribs while trying to stand straight up, which should support your lower back. If that doesn’t work, you could also be dealing with flexibility issues in your glutes, so some leg swings before running could really help (UA-cam is your friend) Finally, if your legs start to burn after a little while, or more specifically: the muscles on your upper leg (quads and hamstrings), and lower leg (calves) slowly start to feel like they’re on fire after like 5-10 minutes, don’t sweat it. As your muscles run out of their immediate energy stores, they begin an enzymatic process that creates a lot of lactic acid as they convert energy stores from the blood into usable forms. You’re probably not used to this so it’s gunna hurt. Fortunately, your body goes through homeostasis, so it will build up a tolerance to lactic acid as you regularly create it, so keep at it and it’ll go away over time. Those are a couple of things I’ve learned as a collegiate athlete, but I wanted to let people know that even if they can’t figure out what’s going on, there is usually a relatively simple solution to fix them, so don’t give up. Btw if one or both of your legs falls asleep while running long distances, take a break please, the aftermath isn’t all that fun. Oh also, long distance running for an hour or more produces the depressant compounds present in sweet sweet ganja. Have fun.
dont land flat flooted just dont do massive heelstrikes make it more mellow also running on the ball of the foot works for sprints idk abt long distance tho
32:18 As someone who grew up in Australia and is the same age as Joey I'm amazed that he managed to avoid the all-consuming presence of One Direction in the 2010s.
Every time the podcast uploads late, I always think, "Will this be the one that breaks the streak?" but every time they pull through. I hope the weekly streak goes on forever
23:43 I FOUND HIM!! next to the trash taste plushies on the table! i was just literally zoning out staring at that spot, and was like "something is..... off....? is that a little toy?" but then remembered what Mudan said about him putting a tiny image of himself in SOME frame at SOME point in every episode xD
@@thuranz2773 it opens up a bigger topic of abuse. If you have a real life celebrity having AI generated adult content of themselves, is it abuse? It's not "canon" as in it didn't happen IRL, but the content being circulated is real.
For Attack on Titan, this is just a guess-- but I think part of the success is re-watchability. I recently started walching it with some friends, and it feels just as exciting as my first time because there's clear foreshadowing from the beginning. There are a lot of parts that were kind of confusing or didn't make sense the first time around, but then when you watch it knowing the full story it suddenly makes perfect sense.
every noticeable stuff that felt out of place at first watch became so much better at rewatch woth friends and stuff. i mean every good stories do this, but AoT's foreshadowing is noticeable enough to get you to raise eyebrows but subtle enough not to give away as obvious foreshadowing. but these moments are memorable enough to immediately get the "aha.. oh sh^t" moment when the pay off happens
Connor wasn’t too far off with his K-pop point. In second and first gen K-pop, it was much more direct fan interaction based compared to today. Nowadays, there still is SOME focus on close fan interaction, but it makes up a percentage of many, many things Korean idols are expected to focus on. At the risk of offending j-idol fans , K-pop idols are considered the more ‘polished’ of the two, since K-pop idols are essentially ‘perfected’ prior to their debut. This is both unrealistic, and incredibly unethical, though, as this immense pressure is often placed on people as young as 13 years old. Any good K-pop fan will know how harsh and toxic the industry can be, and whilst the j-idol industry is not exempt from that, K-pop arguably breeds this toxicity to a higher degree.
Spot on. With J-Idols, imperfection is expected, even desirable at times, because you're SUPPOSED to see them growing and improving overtime. And they're supposed to graduate when they hit a dead end. K-Idols are finished product the moment they debut. Both are toxic in their own way.
You can really see these differences and concerns in shows like produce 48 where the J-idols were struggling to keep up with the K-idols who had basically been turned into performance machines by that point and were all mostly tweens.
@@shisurvives2635as someone who's never been into the whole idol scene, it feels very weird and maybe unethical to me that people consume that as entertainment. What am I not getting?
@@destituteanddecadent9106 it's a survival show, those get people's attention because they like seeing other people struggle for their dreams and success. I no longer watch them but I get the news about them and see clips on and off though.
29:52 The west does have many idol bands. They just don't openly market themselves as corporate entities. One Direction, N-Sync, Destiny's Child, The Village People etc; were all formed out of the idol system. The list goes up significantly if you count solo artists.
The difference is that we haven't really had an idol group or boy/girl band in the west for awhile now. That was a more 2000-2010s sort of musical landscape. Whereas, in Japan and Korea there still exist quite a few idol groups some legacy ones and quite a few newer ones. I guess Olivia Rodrigo and Dua Lipa would be considered idols as one comes from the Disney Channel whereas the other has a lot of big industry players as the producers and writers of their songs.
I liked the more serious tone of this episode with hot button issues like younger aged idols being sexualized by older people in the east and west. Its something that gets swept under the rug and its good to know that the boys realize that its sick and wrong. Heavy content to talk about especially on this platform but i certainly appreciate it. Some of these sick "fans" need a reality check.
Idol fanatic weirdos comprised of 30% of total fanbase and over 50% of total income. The industry nurture this. Look at how half of AKB48 always criticize Idol dating ideas.
@@tuvillo Well I'm not talking about the Overseas fans (Or anybody outside Japan) I'm talking about the Japanese Idol fans (Though there are some Overseas Idol fans that are act like the Japanese ones).
I think the boys forgot the existence of One Direction lol. Even someone like me who weren’t even into modern pop songs or boybands or singing groups, but used to be a fan of Westlife when I was a kid, thought of One Direction first when their topic was about recently famous western boyband/groups. 😂 I mean, they’re not in the same vein of kpop groups, but their fame at their peak was probably closer to BTS right. I love how their collective example immediately was Backstreet Boys and NSYNC tho. 😂
I'm kinda surprised that they didn't know that most of the hate chainsaw man was facing came from the japanese fans, they didn't like the direction, voice actors, cgi etc and the BluRay DVD also didn't sell quite well. Some of them even started a small petition to remake the whole season.
Some of the hate I think is because the director is loud about their distaste for anime as a genre. So instead of a hypper-real clusterfuck of tropey anime we got a surprisingly down to earth tone with flashes of the ridiculous that is inherent to the story (plus Power, ofc). Which Western fans appreciated but many more otaku type audiences wanted the more familiar form of a "traditional" anime adaptation.
@@thomasffrench3639 No. They wanted a standard adaptation, a standard _anime_ adaptation. The actual Chainsaw Man anime isn't unfaithful from what I have seen and heard, it doesn't invent new text. It does pick what parts of the original text to focus on and what parts to leave out, which is normal for any kind of adaptation.
I feel like the problem with chainsaw man was people expecting good things out of s1 when its prologue is arguably the worst part of it, and what comes after being good. The overhype was probably the turnoff for most people . Its hype and marketing probably wasnt justified given they were just gonna adapt the prologue part unlike something like oshi no ko whose hype and marketing was very much justified because its start is insanely strong
Its like only watching the first 12 episodes of Steins Gate or Vinland Saga S1 without watching the second half of each of those shows and expecting a Masterpiece. The payoff for both of those shows is so good but only comes in the second half of their Anime. Same issue with CSM, the Anime literally leaves right off when it starts to get good, since pretty much everyone agrees that the Bomb Devil Arc is where the quality in writing jumps up big time.
im glad to hear that, because i watched csm and lycoris recoil around the same time, and preferred lycoris recoil. i was kind of confused because everyone was hyping csm up even while it was only a manga and an anime nobody talked about was better? i have to admit csm has more creativity and production value but the story was eh, denji didnt even feel like the main character most of the time
Adding onto the Attack on Titan anomaly point; I think a big reason for its success is that it's a good mix of multiple genres, so it appeals to multiple audience bubbles. Whereas lots of anime will go all in with one genre, like a battle anime, a mystery anime, a romance anime, etc.; Attack on Titan dipped into multiple different genres. You want some survival horror? AOT has that. You're itching for a good thriller mystery? AOT has that. You just wanna enjoy some intense battles? AOT has that. It's just an overall enjoyable package that can satisfy many different wants.
I agree so hard with this!!! Also, the characterization is so well done in AOT. Each character has their own flaws and struggles, but another part of them outweighs that, which makes you care or feel some sort of strong emotion about any AOT character. For Eren, the switch from protagonist to antagonist was such a bold and interesting move.
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21:23 for someone "talking out if his ass" Connor is actually pretty much right. The culture surrounding k-idols and j-idols is very different in that way
Totally true or understandable
I think the word Connor was looking is "transmedia" or multiformat (say movies and video games). I'm into K-Pop and thought that immediately, that with J-Pop it's just music, but with K-Pop, it's all encompassing.
I guess the only similarity between the two is obsessive nature of fans and parasocial relationships ig.
@@Shaun_rimuru It may be more par for the course with Japanese media (as he explained) because of the culture there. I don't think it's to the same degree with Korean media (I'm a half-chinese American, so I can't truly speak to what living in either nation is like).
@@alext3811"with jpop it's all about the music"
You couldn't be more wrong. There isn't a tv show in Japan that doesn't have idols. Even news segments are being done by idols. Idols do weather reports and become ambassadors for prefectures. All the popular movies have idols. Meguro Ren for instance had a huge drama with silent last year and the My Blissful Marriage movie adaptation this year. If anything, Japanese idols are more required to find popularity outside of music while k-pop idols mostly are for the music and videos. And most k-pop idols suck at acting in comparison to j idols who are usually decent
R.I.P to anyone who had a meal prepared for their regularly scheduled episode of trash taste and had to wait an extra 5 hours and 9 minutes
😂 me
u got me there LMAO
That's me. I had to double check to see if it's actually Friday
that is the most first world problem i've ever heard for a while lol
Meal? Nah, usually it's up when I'm back from work, ... now it's 03:19 (am) here. 😅
Lowkey want a "Sitting down with a real Idol" guest episode
Joey did one on his channel
They already did, its the one with shu uchida, the girl that was like joeys childhoodfriend
@@setsux_pro6760 she's an anime voice actor bruh
@@zoinksscoob6523 shes part of prima porta and nijigaku 🤨
@@setsux_pro6760 too bad she don't talk a single shit about those
The whole idea behind AKB was to make their members more accessible like underground idols but do that in the mainstream. Having tons of members makes sense in that context because it gives fans the experience and feel of being "the special few" who support a certain idol while also making mainstream money (or at least the people pulling the strings do).
Agree with Connor on weekly anime. For a really good show being able to spend a week thinking about an episode, and then spending all that time with the show makes it stick with me much longer. When I binge a show it loses so much impact. I likw to binge really mid shows, but looove to draw out watching a great show.
Tv had it right bro...
MAPPA should have done more than 12 episodes for Chainsaw Man, but like Connor said maybe it's too weird compared to Demon Slayer or Jujutsu Kaisen. Either way it's really popular worldwide and in Japan, the MAPPA CEO was saying that because Japanese fans didn't buy much Blu-Ray DVDs.
maybe if the western audience buys more blu-rays and dvds and also buy the english dub version because the dub goes really hard (sometimes better than sub imo) - it could work for them and provide them enough budget so that they can at least announce season 2?
@@jatinchanchlani8982 Yeah surprisingly the EN dub is also good. But then again CSM should have at least 24 episodes to make more enjoyable and satisfaction.
@@justin02199x ye i think with alll the hype they had they def should have done it a season with enough episodes for 2 seasons cause who knows if they'll have the same hype again cause like literally no anime had that much anticipation and hype they should have make the most of it
The adaptation just didnt resonate with many of the manga fans
@@timooverhyped4528 manga fans cry every time. Even i was a manga reader for Chainsaw man and I adored it. Especially the anime original stuff. They also outdid themself by making a really, solid English dub which I prefer over japanese dub
Predicting that the AX Trash Taste booth would have by far THE longest line out of those other Anime related booths combined lol.
I’m not surprised especially with the merch probably selling out in one day
because the others are mostly companies. They might be way bigger, but less people actually care about them
I understand exactly how Connor feels about the wait and reflecting on where you were while following something. It's more of an emotional attachment, but it's in a good and nostalgic but happy way. It's hard to explain, but I actually agree with this view a lot. It's funny because I'd expect Garnt or Joey to be more of a sentimental guy, but it's nice Connor is like this! Kinda cool and refreshing, too, but maybe that's just because I really relate to what Connor was saying in this section.
Rowing is like the absolute best cardio. It is cardio WHILE you work out all your core muscles, and have less strain on the joints than running for example.
Fun Fact, there is actually a Kpop idol who was once part of AKB 48 or like one of its Japanese sister groups! She's been in the industry since she was 13, which is absolutely crazy. Her name is Sakura Miyawaki, I recommend looking her story up its really interesting!
I’m with Conner with watching weekly, I used to hate waiting weekly until I started working and as your time becomes limited you can treat yourself to an episode or 2 if you’ve been really busy and it’s nice since you don’t feel sluggish after binging.
What I do love about Trash Taste is that they grew up with different cultures, so they notice the differences, between the cultures.
Disappointed that Oshi no ko was put in the thumbnail but wasn't even covered (even though I know some of the boys already talked about the manga). :( It's my favorite.
I actually agree or seeee what Connor was trying to say regarding the difference with kpop. they definitely seem to market themselves more as real artists (now we all know not all kpop idols produce write etc) but they do cater themselves to TRY to be the hardest dancer the coolest rapper etc. Whereas the massive idol groups in Japan are definitely more yes we will do these cute n simpler dances and chanty songs and perform for YOU. however, I do think there are many Japanese idol groups who so have intense choreo and vocals and rapping and who are involved in creative production. but what I think what Connor was saying is that kpop groups do SEEM to come across as more like musical artists rather than just performers
Once Garnt and Connor know about how creepy and dark the Kirby world can get, they'll change their minds on him.
1:42:20 The thing with Eva is that it came just in the right moment, with a concept that blew audiences minds with a few shows to compete.
Its a shame that CSM hasn't been able to do the same. Specially on how the theme could resonate with gen z, and people that like movies. Fujimoto is a cinephile, and it is no surprise the show is that succesful in the west. But it wont get enough time to get to the better parts (S3 probably)
That shawl/shirt thing Joey's wearing looks amazing, would love to to get something with a pattern like that
I love that when they first talked about it Joey seemed to like Bocchi but now it's popular it's awful
I'm waiting for the day he'll switch up on AoT
@@Apostle_47 I'm surprised he hasn't yet
@@Mooinator3000 well, coming back from the recent episode about the end of AoT, only garnt care about aot now lol
@@ryana5435 ngl, if I see anime in the title for a pod I just don't watch it
This isnt the first time they've discussed idols on the podcast but I always like watching Trash Taste ever since 2020 so its okay
No innocent adult would mantain a paid conversation with a minor, i mean i am a teacher, a love my job, and seeing the students improve and grow. But every time, even if i try not to think that, that i run into a student outside of the class room, and they are kind enought to say hi and stablish a conversation, my subconcious tells me "Ok, this is weird. Be polite and say good bye"..
The marketing talk is exactly why "generic" stuff done well like Demon Slayer does so well
Like it is the most cookie-cutter standard plot and story, but the execution is so good that due to the thematic groundwork anyone can enjoy it
Thats why even grandparents can be like "oh yeah it's good"
The Idol industry makes all of the American entertainment industry seem wholesome. You can make a sub genre out of Anime or Games that call out the Idol industry's toxicity and abuse.
don't make me start with Hollywood
One is not better than the other.
i dont wanna say connors "kirby take" is the worse taste of the year. but it did hurt my soul.
I was kinda amazed by this aspect of Japanse culture myself and I just didn't understand it either, so I did some research into it some years ago and what I gathered was: 48 became a thing because it's a music group set up as a show. So every night you can just go to the theater and see your Idols. And having a group of underage girls working 7 nights a week is kinda not allowed. So they just made multiple "teams" which did the same songs every night like a show at an amusement parks that is like every 2 hours. But then they became more a thing about finding your idol and following them.
I also think that there are only true Nintendo fans as it's kinda the only console/game company out there. Like their are good games on the Playstation and the Xbox. But there is no the Sony franchise. or the Xbox franchise. Every one says "I'm a god of war fan"or "I'm a gears of war fan." While people who are Mario, Kirby, Pokémon fan identify as a Nintendo fan. Also because all the big Nintendo games are kinda aiming towards the same feeling... the Nintendo feeling.
1:36:13 To me this is happening with Jacksepticeye. I subscribed to his channel just a few months before the Pewdiepie shout out, in the beginning of the Far Cry 3 era. That was 10 and a half years ago and I was 9 at the time.
I'm 20 now and have only missed the Among Us videos out of the thousands uploaded. I remember running home from school to do everything and catch the two videos he'd upload every day at 8. Then I remember his second explosion with the start of the live shows and collabs (also, green hair a.k.a. 2015/16).
Then him burning out and stopping the two videos per day after 5 years of never breaking the streak.
I lived through all of that and it comprises half of my life.. I've seen this man on my screen almost every day since early 2013...
It's insane
every time someone talks about Idol culture I get extremely uncomfortable, everything I've seen about it it's sad as fuck and creepy and fucked up
31:00 “They don’t want to feel like a fan. They want to feel like a friend (in the west vs east)” Omg… so true 😅
1:37:40
I love how some casual shit they say has deep implications. Like, for example... the public music sources forcing u into liking something
Rare episode where Connor is right on almost every debate topic (JPop v/s KPop, JJK v/s CSM, Shinji v/s Denji, etc.), but unfortunately concedes very early to boys on each one.
He also gets how Bocchi appeals to the otaku fanbase unlike with Denji
"I'm not super knowledgeable about this either, but I know for a fact"
Anyone who is, in fact, super knowledgeable about this
At around 26:40 - So if male loneliness is acknowledged as a social problem, what should society as a whole do about it ?
I'm with Connor on watching week to week, but it also depends on the show. Some shows I want everything at once. Others I like being able to sit with a show, talk with other people about it, and gain a deeper appreciation for the story.
I agree but actually one 12 episode that i think actually left a mark years after for me atleast is ''Given''
Just throwing it out there: there is also a sci-fi anime about AKB48 called "AKB0048" with idols and guns and shit, and now I really wanna see Garnt's reaction to it😂
Also Chainsaw Man is a hard series to get into if you want to watch the story. Manga readers filled every comment sections( even if other shows). Before you could see the show you knew all the twist and future characters. Everyone making videos and fanart were/are manga reader. With most anime there is some level of divid between anime only and manga readers but with CM you can't be anime only and not be spoiled. People probably didn't watch because they knew the story already.
Finally connor said it : Denji is trash and chainsaw is so bad
Wdym he said he liked
Most of my favorite anime are 12-13 episodes, Zombieland Saga, Hinamatsuri, Bunnygirl-Senpai. They're very similar to some much longer anime I like (Gintama, Haruhi, Monogatari), and the shortness is the reason I prefer them.
TT coming to Germany is quite brave. After some of the takes Garnt for example had about bread,Germany is probably the last place he should let himself be seen in. Still cool to see them in Europe though.
55:34 rare sight of monk and monke united against animation lad
the video ended 4 seconds after the timer for the brownies went off perfection
JJK to Demon Slayer: You became famous after a banger fight. I became famous after an eye reveal. We are not the same.
on the music contracts: idol companies create the groups, western labels find some talent. exploitation is still a problem in the west like the “360 deals” but as you said it’s much more documented and artists are more vocal. but even in kpop contacts are slowly shifting more favorable to idols.
CSM is really popular here in the Philippines, people cosplay alot of CSM characters lmao especially denji and makima 🗿
I'm a casual gamer. Started with the NES, Atari, GB, GBC, N64, Xbox, Dreamcast, PS, PS2, GameCube, Xbox 360, Xbox One, Switch, and finally Xbox Series X. The only game series I will stop and buy is Story of Seasons title the OG Harvest Moon not that NA stuff. WOW looks like gran-daddy Kadokawa and daddy Bookwalker want to see how you fair at the big boys/girls table; give it and have fun.
On Bocchi demographics: tastes change as you get older. I'm in my early 40s and I notice that action scenes just don't do it for me like they used to. I'm watching Trigun Stampede and I see that it's a fantastic show that should check all the boxes for me, and...I just find it all right. I almost have to force myself to watch it. Its annoying, I want to like it. Bocchi oth hit me like truck-kun and it's my favourite anime ever.
Maybe Garnt enjoys Bocchi because he's getting older?
Well, Chainsaw Man hasn't showed enough yet to make me like it more than Jujutsu Kaisen.
People really talking about how the podcast uploading slightly late ks throwing off their schedule. Bro, theyre pretty open, especially now, about paranormal relationships and you guys really proved it. I love them too but damn
Speaking of common cosplays. For those in the 06 era you all know the Death Note cosplay was EVERYWHERE
53:35 Lol I had to rewatch that a few times. My inner voice screamed "WHAT!?!" and so did staff. Omg that is hilarious. But, not gonna lie, I kinda wanna go to that cafe.
Connor had good taste here, in my opinion. Like also some shows are bingeable and you wont lose most of the story jumping from one to the other. Shows like erased, summertime rendering, 86, to your eternity, and rezero even etc worked well having the ep cement for the week (while one waited for the next) they do make you think at least a well enough to a point sub-consciously at least. with shounen not really, things just happen most of the time it aint typically too deep and thats fine but thats also why its bingeable.
idk if its just me, but youtube has definitely hiding their uploads from me. I haven't been recommended one of their videos in months and I actually thought they stopped uploading, despite being subscribed.
Garnt's normal videos benefit society, he's a very good anime advertiser, some real good recommendations 👍
The part where people are contributing to society, I see it in 2 ways:
1. Be not part of the negative statistics. Ex, drug statistic, obese statistics, victim/crimes statistics. When you are not part of those statistics, as a whole, you are part of the society that contribute positive numbers on paper and you are also in a healthy state of being. Safe, sufficient funds, good body weight.
2. Picking up trash randomly on the street, helping old ladies cross the road, smiling at kids, those are extra things. They are small but if more people are encourage to do these things, then is that not contribution? It's ok if people see it as a waster of times. It's just, you know, errr...I don't know how to explain this part....
I know how to explain this part, it's not part of your jobscope as a human, and these extra things are more than what you can give outside your jobscope, helps not just yourself but others as well.
Plz plz plz get Tomska as a guest on the pod when you guys are in the UK. He would make the best guest.
Wow, Joey really hates Bocchi the Rock
Garnt with Elden Ring is becoming just like Joey with Arcane
Conner is right about Shinji vs Denji. Denji is a bit of a loser, you don't want to be him. With shinji, you have the hurt/no-comfort vibes
This episode felt different. I don't know why but it did and I LOVE IT!
1:35 me and Conner same brain fr
52:00 taste aside isn't that a literal reference to the omurice in the show with the cursed spell? did none of them watch the entire season of bocchi??
Guys forget that there are people who got into gaming when they were adults 😅 not everybody got into it as a kid 😅
I like how the boys talk about these issues in the industry. They don't shit on one certain industry but they realize that every kind of industry has its dark sides, some have moved past it but it did exist, while it still persists in other countries
Imagine the dude simping drawings making fun of people for simping idols
South Korea literally has idol schools that start like 11 years old
I tricked myself into liking Say so by Doja cat purely due to how often it was on the radio
1:37:33 as a weekly anime enjoyer this is the most relatable shit ever 😂
Can't believe they have two british people yet completely forgot about One Direction
I am not taking JKT48 slander this early into the pod bro
Man I love it when someone has a "Europe" tour and they only tour Western and Northern Europe
14:50 Joey instantly breaks the game hahahah
Connor dead after 10 hours of RingFit.
Yuka Misumi: "weak"
If you didn’t have PS2 you missed out on some great jrpgs at a prime age
36:22 Garnt really sounded like the tractors from cars 🤣
when it comes to idols, connor has the opinion i reluctantly agree
I JUST GOT THE TICKETS FOR ROTTERDAM AFTER MISSING OUT ON THE AMSTERDAM ONES 🥹🫶🏼🫶🏼
Yandere cosplay is the weeb equivalent of going as Harley Quinn for Halloween.
💀 holy shit
This aged beautifully
Harley quinn is the definition of a yandere
The Kirby slander is unforgivable.
Joey got slaughtered for those 2-3 minutes😂
Not surprised that Connor doesn't like the cute and simple style of Kirby games but I'm sad Garnt is also not a fan
TRUE
But honestly, that was not too unexpected, he's Bri'ish after all.
Ludwig’s shaking his head at this rn
Connor wearing a different shirt for this episode automatically makes this a banger
Man has only like 4 different shirts aside from the apari man 😅
I gaslit myself into believing this comment was a lie since it was on Garnt and Joey’s camera but waited to see if it was real 😂
Proves that this wasn’t an AI generated episode.
and he was the one who started the anime talk that involved mainstream shonen shows and for like 30 minutes. It's a miraclle
They talked about anime = Banger episode
Never realised how much trash taste integrated into my weekly routine until it was delayed
exactly bruhh
same.
Same with podcasts in general.
Connor: was born in 1996
Also Connor: 1995, what a horny year that was.
Well, if you were born in the first 9 months of 1996, you were conceived in 1995.
It was for his parents.
Yeah that's how he was born 🤣
It was for me 95 lost the v card and first year of working
well his parents were horny enough to create him so yeah, def a horny time
Chainsaw man wasn't a financial failure. The CEO confirmed that it was a financial success.
Here is what the CEO actually said - " Financially, it was a complete success. However, I'm still not satisfied with whether it has the same impact as "Jujutsu Kaisen", which I worked on most recently. "
So it made money, but didn't have the popularity of other MAPPA works.
Seeing how the studio put everything into making Chainsaw Man since they love the manga, and vowed to adapt all of the author's works, they're basically the kind of fans that really want you to like the same thing they like.
buddy csm is a golden goose. They hyped it to become next kny, not another tokyo revengers tier popularity wise
@@kekbin1697insane to compare to chainsaw goat to mid revengers
They should have made the first season of 24 eps then , more eps definately creates a bigger impact, and all of us know that the second half of csm is wayy stronger than its first half
@@polkadiWhat did they expect? With jjk there are twice as much episodes out. They basically just set up the story.
I find it ironic that one of the main topics of this episode was parasocial relationships, and in the comments there are a bunch of people talking about preparing meals to eat while watching this or feel anxiety that they uploaded late. It's eerie in a way.
These 3 are Kadokawa commercialized personalities who are not giving themselves enough credit in how idolized they are by their fans.
@@WD_Batora And in effect just like the dichotomy between western and eastern media, TT fans idolize them like they're their friend (parasocial stories be like)
@@dunzek943 bro, you pulled through with that grammar minefeild. Good job
To see it more optimistically, I made food as well, cause it's like an episode a TV show just released, it's entertainment. I find it's a lot more enjoyable when I take it as entertainment rather than the parasocial aspect.
Think preparing meals to eat with TT is normal. It's probably a comfortable routine. I do my weekend chores with TT in the background, sort of like a weekly tv show you catch upon. But can't deny that these guys especially Connor probably have people idolizing them with how much of their life is constantly in the public eye
I think marketing for Korean idols and Japanese idols are much different. Kpop takes more hints from western culture which is focused on the content released. I’m not super versed with Jpop but it seems like they’re more focused on the parasocial aspect which kind of makes sense if you think about how much Japan promotes the idea of parasocial relationships. Although both fields are heavily reliant on that connection with the fans.
This is true, fan meets for K-pop idols and other similar events were actually inspired by Japanese idols. A lot of Japans Idol culture is to cater to the fans first, music seconds, for K-pop it’s typically the opposite or both are held to equal standards
Parasocial relationship doesn't limit at fan meeting. It goes much deeper than that.
Parasocial relationship doesn't limit at fan meeting. It goes much deeper than that.
Also, K-pop grew out of television rather from the music industry, which is why there is a focus on the visuals.
I think kpop started off with a lot of the aspects of parasocial relationship and still to this day has less to do with music and more to do with idols themselves. I realised kpop fans r similar if not more toxic than jpop fans and a big problem r the companies, they force this being obsessed with an idol a lot in order to earn extra profits from fanmeets and selling their merches
For those who have pain running:
If you have a sharp pain in one or both of your knees, you’re probably overstriding and should try landing on your entire foot instead of heel-toe
If you feel a grinding pain in your pelvis, you probably have a muscle imbalance and are overcompensating with one leg and it’s excessively wearing. Focus on you form and try to apply equal force with both feet. Also, you should try to train your hip flexors; there are machines that do this if you have a gym membership, but if not you can look up ways to train them with your body weight on UA-cam.
If you have pain or really bad stiffness in your lower back, it could be because you aren’t engaging your core properly. Try to lightly flex your abs and seat your shoulder blades down towards your ribs while trying to stand straight up, which should support your lower back. If that doesn’t work, you could also be dealing with flexibility issues in your glutes, so some leg swings before running could really help (UA-cam is your friend)
Finally, if your legs start to burn after a little while, or more specifically: the muscles on your upper leg (quads and hamstrings), and lower leg (calves) slowly start to feel like they’re on fire after like 5-10 minutes, don’t sweat it. As your muscles run out of their immediate energy stores, they begin an enzymatic process that creates a lot of lactic acid as they convert energy stores from the blood into usable forms. You’re probably not used to this so it’s gunna hurt. Fortunately, your body goes through homeostasis, so it will build up a tolerance to lactic acid as you regularly create it, so keep at it and it’ll go away over time.
Those are a couple of things I’ve learned as a collegiate athlete, but I wanted to let people know that even if they can’t figure out what’s going on, there is usually a relatively simple solution to fix them, so don’t give up.
Btw if one or both of your legs falls asleep while running long distances, take a break please, the aftermath isn’t all that fun.
Oh also, long distance running for an hour or more produces the depressant compounds present in sweet sweet ganja. Have fun.
Thank you!
Appreciated
What about when one of your heels hurt? Does it have anything to so with running?
dont land flat flooted just dont do massive heelstrikes make it more mellow also running on the ball of the foot works for sprints idk abt long distance tho
When I was doing cross country running back in middle and high school we were taught to rub on the ball of our feet, not heel toe or flat footed
I love that Joey defended Kirby so hard, he is a adorable pink ball of happiness 😂💗
With the power of a God of Destruction if I may add
I used to love the Kirby DS games in the early 2000s they were the best.
Poyo
Kirby is the GOAT
32:18 As someone who grew up in Australia and is the same age as Joey I'm amazed that he managed to avoid the all-consuming presence of One Direction in the 2010s.
Seriously, it was impossible to escape
I missed the whole thing, heard of it bit never heard one of their songs. Then again I missed all the music related things
It was really big in the US too
I was thinking the same exact thing!!! 😂
Or after them 5 seconds of summer
Every time the podcast uploads late, I always think, "Will this be the one that breaks the streak?" but every time they pull through. I hope the weekly streak goes on forever
That's not posible, they will stop eventually
@@ditodevice1950 trash taste jr
@@ditodevice1950 nah you're wrong, they'll actually go longer than the universe itself
Well they did break the streak today
The LeBron James of Anime Podcasts
23:43 I FOUND HIM!! next to the trash taste plushies on the table! i was just literally zoning out staring at that spot, and was like "something is..... off....? is that a little toy?" but then remembered what Mudan said about him putting a tiny image of himself in SOME frame at SOME point in every episode xD
Joey: "You cannot abuse a 2D character."
*doujins, doujins everywhere*
Yeah, but those aren't usually canon events.
@@thuranz2773 it opens up a bigger topic of abuse. If you have a real life celebrity having AI generated adult content of themselves, is it abuse? It's not "canon" as in it didn't happen IRL, but the content being circulated is real.
@@thuranz2773Miguel on his way to stop Josuke saving that girl from emergence
@@ytnewhandlesystem42 Taylor Swift AI Generated Images moment
I was so scared for a second that the three long years weekly episode is gonna break. The bois may not be pregnant but they always delivered!
SAME
Idk, Joey's looking a little husky. He might be perganante
💀
Damn
@@Stumbo99 He's definitely glowing
For Attack on Titan, this is just a guess-- but I think part of the success is re-watchability. I recently started walching it with some friends, and it feels just as exciting as my first time because there's clear foreshadowing from the beginning. There are a lot of parts that were kind of confusing or didn't make sense the first time around, but then when you watch it knowing the full story it suddenly makes perfect sense.
true, I've watched it 4 times now (always rewatch it before a new season comes out) and every time I notice new details and foreshadowing
every noticeable stuff that felt out of place at first watch became so much better at rewatch woth friends and stuff.
i mean every good stories do this, but AoT's foreshadowing is noticeable enough to get you to raise eyebrows but subtle enough not to give away as obvious foreshadowing. but these moments are memorable enough to immediately get the "aha.. oh sh^t" moment when the pay off happens
Connor wasn’t too far off with his K-pop point. In second and first gen K-pop, it was much more direct fan interaction based compared to today. Nowadays, there still is SOME focus on close fan interaction, but it makes up a percentage of many, many things Korean idols are expected to focus on. At the risk of offending j-idol fans , K-pop idols are considered the more ‘polished’ of the two, since K-pop idols are essentially ‘perfected’ prior to their debut. This is both unrealistic, and incredibly unethical, though, as this immense pressure is often placed on people as young as 13 years old. Any good K-pop fan will know how harsh and toxic the industry can be, and whilst the j-idol industry is not exempt from that, K-pop arguably breeds this toxicity to a higher degree.
Spot on. With J-Idols, imperfection is expected, even desirable at times, because you're SUPPOSED to see them growing and improving overtime. And they're supposed to graduate when they hit a dead end. K-Idols are finished product the moment they debut. Both are toxic in their own way.
So on point!!!
You can really see these differences and concerns in shows like produce 48 where the J-idols were struggling to keep up with the K-idols who had basically been turned into performance machines by that point and were all mostly tweens.
@@shisurvives2635as someone who's never been into the whole idol scene, it feels very weird and maybe unethical to me that people consume that as entertainment. What am I not getting?
@@destituteanddecadent9106 it's a survival show, those get people's attention because they like seeing other people struggle for their dreams and success.
I no longer watch them but I get the news about them and see clips on and off though.
What did Kirby do to deserve such slander, don't bully my precious boi 😢
29:52 The west does have many idol bands. They just don't openly market themselves as corporate entities. One Direction, N-Sync, Destiny's Child, The Village People etc; were all formed out of the idol system. The list goes up significantly if you count solo artists.
The thing with those artists is that those people know how to sing. It’s very similar, but not exactly the same.
@@thomasffrench3639 Please don't generalize all Eastern idol band's singing skills with the average JPop idol's singing skills...
The thought of idol fans dancing to YMCA with lightsticks makes me giggle
The difference is that we haven't really had an idol group or boy/girl band in the west for awhile now. That was a more 2000-2010s sort of musical landscape. Whereas, in Japan and Korea there still exist quite a few idol groups some legacy ones and quite a few newer ones. I guess Olivia Rodrigo and Dua Lipa would be considered idols as one comes from the Disney Channel whereas the other has a lot of big industry players as the producers and writers of their songs.
@Alan Nguyen I can't believe no has tried it
I liked the more serious tone of this episode with hot button issues like younger aged idols being sexualized by older people in the east and west. Its something that gets swept under the rug and its good to know that the boys realize that its sick and wrong. Heavy content to talk about especially on this platform but i certainly appreciate it. Some of these sick "fans" need a reality check.
this was a great ep we got serious and anime talk
Or go outside and touch some grass. Seriously, these "fans" is one of the factors of why Idol culture is kinda "Harsh" to put it lightly.
Idol fanatic weirdos comprised of 30% of total fanbase and over 50% of total income.
The industry nurture this. Look at how half of AKB48 always criticize Idol dating ideas.
@@anggakarapreviandana2877 Buddy, nobody outside of Japan has even a tiny amount of influence on any of this.
@@tuvillo Well I'm not talking about the Overseas fans (Or anybody outside Japan) I'm talking about the Japanese Idol fans (Though there are some Overseas Idol fans that are act like the Japanese ones).
I think the boys forgot the existence of One Direction lol. Even someone like me who weren’t even into modern pop songs or boybands or singing groups, but used to be a fan of Westlife when I was a kid, thought of One Direction first when their topic was about recently famous western boyband/groups. 😂 I mean, they’re not in the same vein of kpop groups, but their fame at their peak was probably closer to BTS right. I love how their collective example immediately was Backstreet Boys and NSYNC tho. 😂
I'm kinda surprised that they didn't know that most of the hate chainsaw man was facing came from the japanese fans, they didn't like the direction, voice actors, cgi etc and the BluRay DVD also didn't sell quite well. Some of them even started a small petition to remake the whole season.
Some of the hate I think is because the director is loud about their distaste for anime as a genre. So instead of a hypper-real clusterfuck of tropey anime we got a surprisingly down to earth tone with flashes of the ridiculous that is inherent to the story (plus Power, ofc). Which Western fans appreciated but many more otaku type audiences wanted the more familiar form of a "traditional" anime adaptation.
Ah, so Japanese manga readers are annoying as well
@@balabanasireti they just didn’t like the anime, what’s the big deal?
@@fluidthought42 they wanted a more faithful adaptation, not standard adaptation
@@thomasffrench3639
No. They wanted a standard adaptation, a standard _anime_ adaptation. The actual Chainsaw Man anime isn't unfaithful from what I have seen and heard, it doesn't invent new text. It does pick what parts of the original text to focus on and what parts to leave out, which is normal for any kind of adaptation.
I feel like the problem with chainsaw man was people expecting good things out of s1 when its prologue is arguably the worst part of it, and what comes after being good. The overhype was probably the turnoff for most people .
Its hype and marketing probably wasnt justified given they were just gonna adapt the prologue part unlike something like oshi no ko whose hype and marketing was very much justified because its start is insanely strong
Its like only watching the first 12 episodes of Steins Gate or Vinland Saga S1 without watching the second half of each of those shows and expecting a Masterpiece.
The payoff for both of those shows is so good but only comes in the second half of their Anime. Same issue with CSM, the Anime literally leaves right off when it starts to get good, since pretty much everyone agrees that the Bomb Devil Arc is where the quality in writing jumps up big time.
im glad to hear that, because i watched csm and lycoris recoil around the same time, and preferred lycoris recoil. i was kind of confused because everyone was hyping csm up even while it was only a manga and an anime nobody talked about was better? i have to admit csm has more creativity and production value but the story was eh, denji didnt even feel like the main character most of the time
Chainsaw man really did cutoff right before it got interesting but the first half is still legendary
I think that a big thing is that it didn’t bring in the new audience, and it alienated the previous audience.
@@Dododeath the manga for CSM was definitely better than Lyrois Recoil, but Lyrois Recoil was better than the anime adaptation
I was concerned for a second that we finally missed one.
Same, i was watching the live episode meanwhile
In norway we technically did by one day xD but better late then never
did in england
Adding onto the Attack on Titan anomaly point; I think a big reason for its success is that it's a good mix of multiple genres, so it appeals to multiple audience bubbles.
Whereas lots of anime will go all in with one genre, like a battle anime, a mystery anime, a romance anime, etc.; Attack on Titan dipped into multiple different genres.
You want some survival horror? AOT has that.
You're itching for a good thriller mystery? AOT has that.
You just wanna enjoy some intense battles? AOT has that.
It's just an overall enjoyable package that can satisfy many different wants.
I agree so hard with this!!! Also, the characterization is so well done in AOT. Each character has their own flaws and struggles, but another part of them outweighs that, which makes you care or feel some sort of strong emotion about any AOT character. For Eren, the switch from protagonist to antagonist was such a bold and interesting move.
Chainsaw Man didn't have character to get fujos on their side. They need a Levi or a Gojo.
@@trancepeirce3107 Yoshida is there but he's probably gonna appear in Season 3
@@trancepeirce3107 spoiler
Quanxi is goated