This video is absolutely excellent! There are unfortunately quite some parameters to understand and you describe them so we'll. It took me a year to understand what kind of AC-cable that was suitable for my car. This video should go viral!!!
Excellent comprehensive tutorial! The first time I plugged my Masterplug granny charger into the port (located where the petrol cap would normally be on my Fiat), it felt odd because the process had more in common with recharging a cordless vacuum cleaner. Even using the wall charger that was installed nearly two years ago is still a novelty to me, and something of a pleasure compared with queuing at a petrol station!
Thank you and good to hear. Charging an EV is so easy (and clean!) which is something that non-EV drivers don't appreciate. Their assumptions are that its worst.
As a newb the first time I went to a charger it was a nightmare. A video of a newb going to a charger to fill up for the 1st time would be good (we just charge from home). 1st the machine did not seem to work as it didn't seem to turn on, then I had to use a phone to do some of it, then it wanted me to subscribe or not, then there were several different charges (this was a council run car park with a station provide by Source London) in the end I just gave up and have never tried again since. A video from start to finish dedicated to newbs getting electric for the 1st time might help people.
Plenty have done these videos, but of course the experience is slightly different with every network and brand of charger. But generally now, you just tap your credit card on the contactless payment panel, select what plug you want to use (CCS or Chademo) and plug it into your car. Its as easy as that. It didn't used to be with phone apps, but those days have mostly gone.
@@GoGreenAutos For me it would not let me just pay and fill. ie from their website "The PAYG option enables you to use Source London charge points immediately without subscribing to any membership and without using a membership card. You will simply need a valid debit/credit card and a MOBILE PHONE WITH INTERNET ACCESS." it was not plug-in and pay. So I take it this is not the usual way at other charging points?
Very comprehensive. I was caught out when I had my 1st EV (with existing wall charger) and found the charger was a type 1 and EV was type 2 😱. Solved with an good quality adapter though 🙂
Three phase 22kw charging was a major factor for me buying Mégane. Often cheaper than rapid charger rates and ideal for a shopping trip/cinema visit etc.
Thank you so much for clarifying which cable end goes where (at 3:16)! Hallelujah! So many 'experts' say everything but the most important things: which end goes where and in which order (should I plug the car first or the charging post). Again, thank you so much!😎
Great video very informative, also you will only get cheap rate electricity if you have a 2 rate meter and have that as part of your contract with your supplier
All Vag group are 3 phase. ID3 etc, the newer Kia ranges, charge at 11kw ac and here in Scotland most of the ChargePlace Scotland offer 7, 11 and 22 kw fast chargers and the 50Kw Rapids have up to 43kw AC tethered plugs.
Question, I'm getting a EV charger installed at my house soon. I'm yet to buy my car yet (Kona electric 2021) but this car comes with a 10.5kw charger. Do you know the standard length of the charger cables?
Hi I have a 5 meter cable on my ohme charger, the side of the charger the cable is fully fitted inside the charger so no plug connector, and other side obviously goes into car. I have tried extending cable bu using the cable that came with car even though it fits in both sides but says cable not plugged in, any advice on which extender I should buy
You can't use a type2 charge cable to extend. It wont work and is designed not to work like that. You can however buy special type2 "extension" cables. These are different to a "charge" cable.
Im getting a new kangoo but I will be charging it with a granny cable over 15 metres for a couple of times a week for about 100 miles in total and once a week at the supermarket for a full charge. Would thus be a safe and viable option
You can, but do make sure the socket you are using is sound and the wires are done up tightly at the rear as using a granny cable for many many hours will highlight any loose connections with bad results. See www.gogreenautos.co.uk/using-portable-chargers You're much better off getting a proper wall charger installed and even though it will cost ~£1,000, you can then offset the cost by using a cheap rate overnight tariff. See ua-cam.com/users/shorts5bm6pp80x3U?si=fMbzIjOP7a_iL9Mq
@@GoGreenAutos thank you for your reply, much appreciated. I did read in the link that it's best not charged from a socket run from a spur, unfortunately that's what mine will be. I can't actually have a proper ev charger because of my parking situation. I'm in a new build and the socket for the ev has just been installed by an electrician so hopefully it should be OK. Your thoughts on this would be appreciated.
@@Loki-guy Use a granny cable then, but one which has selectable amperage and reduce it to 8 amps. Something like this ua-cam.com/video/8eYrX14vdCk/v-deo.htmlsi=Y4-GZ_WttgWi02cf
I find my type2 supplied with my Mégane is too tight on the socket of my dads Zoe (2016) but his lead works on both. have you seen this and do you have any Zoe lead recommendations
Check for a rubber o-ring and make sure its not twisted up. This can happen on the type1 plugs as they age and the o-ring gets twisted up and comes out of its mounting place. The type2 plug doesn't have a o-ring (well most don't) but check to see if there's one in the socket on the car.
I am looking to fit a home charger. But don't want to ruin the esthetic look of the front of my house. The option I have is to have it fitted round near my electric connection to the house about 10+ metres away from the parking. Is there anything I need to consider when considering this option as in, are there type 2 cables that would stretch that far to charge the vehicle and also will the length of cable effect the rate of charge?
I've experienced some vehicles that don't like long charge cables. I used to have a 10 mtr cable and some vehicles just wont charge when using it. You'll be far better off putting the charger near the vehicles. There are chargers which have different face plates so you can make it match your house colour scheme. There's also smaller chargers. Many go with the Anderson (andersen-ev.com/) charges where the look or colour matching is important. Or the other option is to put it on a post away from the house, at the side of your drive.
@@GoGreenAutos that's interesting and I did wonder if that would be an issue as I read it can be. It's not the charger that is the issue it's more the cabling running from the electrical box to where the charger can be situated it needs to up and around the front door which isn't ideal
11:30 Is running a portable charger to an indoor socket allowed in the UK? In my location (Norway) it is strictly forbidden to plug any outdoor appliance (including an EV charger) into an inside socket, as indoor sockets does not have as strict ground fault monitoring as an outdoor socket, which is required when operating anything exposed to rain (in case of a damaged cable etc)
What cable should i buy to get 7kwh from my mk 1 MG Zs ev. My home charger is 11kwh 3 phase but i get only around 2.75kwh charging speed and i dont want to change my home box to single phase. I know you had an MG Zs some time ago. Any tip would be appreciated
Your charger may be a 3-phase unit (most are), but unless you actually have a 3-phase electricity supply, then you're not going to get 11kW. In the UK, it's very rare to have 3-phase at home. I would guess you're not in the UK. If not, where and what is your voltage? The MG ZS has a 6.6kW AC onboard charger, so you're only going to be able to charge at that speed anyway. So buying a 3-phase cable will have no benefit as the MG doesn't support 3-phase. So you have to look at what the volts and amps are on each of your phases. The car is only using a single phase, so this might explain why you're getting a low charging speed. I'm in the UK, so it's difficult to answer without knowing what your electricity supply is. But basically, to charge your MG ZS, you just need a single phase 32 amp type2 to type2 cable. But then that is if you have type2 in your region. Non-EU regions can be type1.
@@GoGreenAutos thanks for your swift response. I live in Sweden. My electricity supply is 16amps/220v. I once charged a leased Volvo EX40 on my wall box and was pulling almost 9kwh. I know the MG Zs only support single phase. I tried on 22kwh public charger but got same result. Around 3kwh. Was that your experience with your MG Zs?
@@matthewaride2234 I've never charged a ZS on 3-phase. Its rare in the UK. Homes don't have 3-phase and while some public AC chargers are 22kW 3-phase, they are few and far between as most sites just install DC rapid chargers. So is your supply 16A/220V on each phase? The ZS is only charging on one phase, so 16A is 3.5kW - not far from the 2.75kW you say.
@@GoGreenAutos Not sure how it's split in phases, if it's 16A on each. I guess I will have to live with it. I mostly charge overnight at home which is sufficient for my daily routine. My old Nissan leaf was charging at the same speed. I was hoping when I am out and about I could charge at public AC charges which are abundant here than use the very expensive rapid chargers otherwise I am fine at slow charge at home overnight. Thanks for your time.
I want to fit a 7kw home charger but I measured the distance to my car and it's 15 metres. Is that too far to charge effectively? It will be a type two for an ioniq
You can get 15, 20 or even 30 metre type2 cables. However, I have experienced issues with some EVs when using long charge cables. Not tried on the Ioniq though. Can you not get the charger any closer? i.e. using a post to mount the charger closer to the parked car. That's what I've done myself.
@@GoGreenAutos thank you for the reply I appreciate it. I wish I could get it closer but my car is parked in a council owned car park so it's not really feasible to put a post mounted charger there, I'm not technically supposed to charge at home there but I would do it using a anti trip cover as the lead would only run across one pavement which is rarely used by pedestrians. Tbh it's the only stumbling block to going ev for me but I think I can make it work. Maybe it would be with speaking to Hyundai?
my family and friends would never buy electric cars, No electric car is worth paying more than £3000 because it takes 30 minutes to rapid charge causing inconvenience time consuming and battery damages degrades faster when rapid charging its expensive to repair ev car when it becomes faulty and out of warranty in winter ev uses alot of battery for heating same with summer with air con with cost of living people now have very less money to buy It’s Not full self driving I would Not pay any more than £2000 for your car the battery degrades every year then car become useless and more inconvenience as it degrades electric cars Not worth it’s value anymore
This all is load of bull.. In Finland we had -39°C last winter and never get nothing to worry about with ev. Cabin was always warm and windows frost free. Costs of driving was adout 8€/100km. I charge my car while i'm working or at night while sleeping so no hasle there. Service costs. First service at 2year or 40.000km costs 150€ next one 4years or 80.000km and costs 350€. next on is 6years or 120.000km and 150€. Car costs about 40.000€ total with all bels and whisles. That makes about 310€/month + electrics about 60€. So can you tell me what kind of petrol car you can beat that? Even used one.
This video is absolutely excellent! There are unfortunately quite some parameters to understand and you describe them so we'll. It took me a year to understand what kind of AC-cable that was suitable for my car. This video should go viral!!!
Thank you very much.
Thanks from new Aussie EV owner, this is very helpful.
Thank you. Glad it was useful.
Excellent comprehensive tutorial!
The first time I plugged my Masterplug granny charger into the port (located where the petrol cap would normally be on my Fiat), it felt odd because the process had more in common with recharging a cordless vacuum cleaner. Even using the wall charger that was installed nearly two years ago is still a novelty to me, and something of a pleasure compared with queuing at a petrol station!
Thank you and good to hear. Charging an EV is so easy (and clean!) which is something that non-EV drivers don't appreciate. Their assumptions are that its worst.
I haven't splashed any electrons on the forecourt yet!@@GoGreenAutos
As a newb the first time I went to a charger it was a nightmare. A video of a newb going to a charger to fill up for the 1st time would be good (we just charge from home). 1st the machine did not seem to work as it didn't seem to turn on, then I had to use a phone to do some of it, then it wanted me to subscribe or not, then there were several different charges (this was a council run car park with a station provide by Source London) in the end I just gave up and have never tried again since.
A video from start to finish dedicated to newbs getting electric for the 1st time might help people.
Plenty have done these videos, but of course the experience is slightly different with every network and brand of charger. But generally now, you just tap your credit card on the contactless payment panel, select what plug you want to use (CCS or Chademo) and plug it into your car. Its as easy as that.
It didn't used to be with phone apps, but those days have mostly gone.
@@GoGreenAutos For me it would not let me just pay and fill. ie from their website "The PAYG option enables you to use Source London charge points immediately without subscribing to any membership and without using a membership card. You will simply need a valid debit/credit card and a MOBILE PHONE WITH INTERNET ACCESS." it was not plug-in and pay. So I take it this is not the usual way at other charging points?
Very comprehensive. I was caught out when I had my 1st EV (with existing wall charger) and found the charger was a type 1 and EV was type 2 😱. Solved with an good quality adapter though 🙂
For futureproofing I'd advise anyone getting an EV with Type 1 to get Type 2 cables and a decent Type 1 to Type 2 adapter.
Three phase 22kw charging was a major factor for me buying Mégane. Often cheaper than rapid charger rates and ideal for a shopping trip/cinema visit etc.
Absolutely, but its just a shame 3-phase AC isn't more common in the UK.
Thank you so much for clarifying which cable end goes where (at 3:16)! Hallelujah! So many 'experts' say everything but the most important things: which end goes where and in which order (should I plug the car first or the charging post). Again, thank you so much!😎
Glad you found the video helpful.
Great video very informative, also you will only get cheap rate electricity if you have a 2 rate meter and have that as part of your contract with your supplier
Thanks.
As for the meters, you just need a smart meter as they do half hour readings.
All Vag group are 3 phase. ID3 etc, the newer Kia ranges, charge at 11kw ac and here in Scotland most of the ChargePlace Scotland offer 7, 11 and 22 kw fast chargers and the 50Kw Rapids have up to 43kw AC tethered plugs.
OEM system BEV charge Battery (WLTP)
Which EVSE would you recommend for 3phase, type 2, hardwired? Thank you in advance
great. very helpful. much appreciated.
Glad to hear it
Question, I'm getting a EV charger installed at my house soon. I'm yet to buy my car yet (Kona electric 2021) but this car comes with a 10.5kw charger. Do you know the standard length of the charger cables?
Charge cables are typically 5 metres.
Hi
I have a 5 meter cable on my ohme charger, the side of the charger the cable is fully fitted inside the charger so no plug connector, and other side obviously goes into car. I have tried extending cable bu using the cable that came with car even though it fits in both sides but says cable not plugged in, any advice on which extender I should buy
You can't use a type2 charge cable to extend. It wont work and is designed not to work like that.
You can however buy special type2 "extension" cables. These are different to a "charge" cable.
Where is the amazon link please...😮
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If you have a 7kw charger at home and buy a 3 phase cable will it work ?
Yes it will. The only two extra pins are only used when connecting into a 3-phase charger (and 3-phase charging car).
Im getting a new kangoo but I will be charging it with a granny cable over 15 metres for a couple of times a week for about 100 miles in total and once a week at the supermarket for a full charge. Would thus be a safe and viable option
You can, but do make sure the socket you are using is sound and the wires are done up tightly at the rear as using a granny cable for many many hours will highlight any loose connections with bad results. See www.gogreenautos.co.uk/using-portable-chargers
You're much better off getting a proper wall charger installed and even though it will cost ~£1,000, you can then offset the cost by using a cheap rate overnight tariff. See ua-cam.com/users/shorts5bm6pp80x3U?si=fMbzIjOP7a_iL9Mq
@@GoGreenAutos thank you for your reply, much appreciated. I did read in the link that it's best not charged from a socket run from a spur, unfortunately that's what mine will be. I can't actually have a proper ev charger because of my parking situation. I'm in a new build and the socket for the ev has just been installed by an electrician so hopefully it should be OK. Your thoughts on this would be appreciated.
@@Loki-guy Use a granny cable then, but one which has selectable amperage and reduce it to 8 amps. Something like this ua-cam.com/video/8eYrX14vdCk/v-deo.htmlsi=Y4-GZ_WttgWi02cf
@@GoGreenAutos thank you for your advice, much appreciated
I find my type2 supplied with my Mégane is too tight on the socket of my dads Zoe (2016) but his lead works on both. have you seen this and do you have any Zoe lead recommendations
Check for a rubber o-ring and make sure its not twisted up. This can happen on the type1 plugs as they age and the o-ring gets twisted up and comes out of its mounting place. The type2 plug doesn't have a o-ring (well most don't) but check to see if there's one in the socket on the car.
I am looking to fit a home charger. But don't want to ruin the esthetic look of the front of my house. The option I have is to have it fitted round near my electric connection to the house about 10+ metres away from the parking. Is there anything I need to consider when considering this option as in, are there type 2 cables that would stretch that far to charge the vehicle and also will the length of cable effect the rate of charge?
I've experienced some vehicles that don't like long charge cables. I used to have a 10 mtr cable and some vehicles just wont charge when using it.
You'll be far better off putting the charger near the vehicles. There are chargers which have different face plates so you can make it match your house colour scheme. There's also smaller chargers. Many go with the Anderson (andersen-ev.com/) charges where the look or colour matching is important. Or the other option is to put it on a post away from the house, at the side of your drive.
@@GoGreenAutos that's interesting and I did wonder if that would be an issue as I read it can be. It's not the charger that is the issue it's more the cabling running from the electrical box to where the charger can be situated it needs to up and around the front door which isn't ideal
11:30 Is running a portable charger to an indoor socket allowed in the UK? In my location (Norway) it is strictly forbidden to plug any outdoor appliance (including an EV charger) into an inside socket, as indoor sockets does not have as strict ground fault monitoring as an outdoor socket, which is required when operating anything exposed to rain (in case of a damaged cable etc)
Yes it is, in the UK.
What cable should i buy to get 7kwh from my mk 1 MG Zs ev. My home charger is 11kwh 3 phase but i get only around 2.75kwh charging speed and i dont want to change my home box to single phase. I know you had an MG Zs some time ago. Any tip would be appreciated
Your charger may be a 3-phase unit (most are), but unless you actually have a 3-phase electricity supply, then you're not going to get 11kW. In the UK, it's very rare to have 3-phase at home. I would guess you're not in the UK. If not, where and what is your voltage?
The MG ZS has a 6.6kW AC onboard charger, so you're only going to be able to charge at that speed anyway. So buying a 3-phase cable will have no benefit as the MG doesn't support 3-phase.
So you have to look at what the volts and amps are on each of your phases. The car is only using a single phase, so this might explain why you're getting a low charging speed.
I'm in the UK, so it's difficult to answer without knowing what your electricity supply is. But basically, to charge your MG ZS, you just need a single phase 32 amp type2 to type2 cable. But then that is if you have type2 in your region. Non-EU regions can be type1.
@@GoGreenAutos thanks for your swift response. I live in Sweden. My electricity supply is 16amps/220v. I once charged a leased Volvo EX40 on my wall box and was pulling almost 9kwh. I know the MG Zs only support single phase. I tried on 22kwh public charger but got same result. Around 3kwh. Was that your experience with your MG Zs?
@@matthewaride2234 I've never charged a ZS on 3-phase. Its rare in the UK. Homes don't have 3-phase and while some public AC chargers are 22kW 3-phase, they are few and far between as most sites just install DC rapid chargers.
So is your supply 16A/220V on each phase? The ZS is only charging on one phase, so 16A is 3.5kW - not far from the 2.75kW you say.
@@GoGreenAutos Not sure how it's split in phases, if it's 16A on each. I guess I will have to live with it. I mostly charge overnight at home which is sufficient for my daily routine. My old Nissan leaf was charging at the same speed. I was hoping when I am out and about I could charge at public AC charges which are abundant here than use the very expensive rapid chargers otherwise I am fine at slow charge at home overnight. Thanks for your time.
@@matthewaride2234 A higher amperage single phase supply would be better for charging an EV.
I want to fit a 7kw home charger but I measured the distance to my car and it's 15 metres. Is that too far to charge effectively? It will be a type two for an ioniq
You can get 15, 20 or even 30 metre type2 cables. However, I have experienced issues with some EVs when using long charge cables. Not tried on the Ioniq though.
Can you not get the charger any closer? i.e. using a post to mount the charger closer to the parked car. That's what I've done myself.
@@GoGreenAutos thank you for the reply I appreciate it. I wish I could get it closer but my car is parked in a council owned car park so it's not really feasible to put a post mounted charger there, I'm not technically supposed to charge at home there but I would do it using a anti trip cover as the lead would only run across one pavement which is rarely used by pedestrians. Tbh it's the only stumbling block to going ev for me but I think I can make it work.
Maybe it would be with speaking to Hyundai?
@@GoGreenAutos what has been your experience with longer cables? Slower charging? No charging at all? What length and vehicle?
Or your house may have already got one
my family and friends would never buy electric cars, No electric car is worth paying more than £3000 because it takes 30 minutes to rapid charge causing inconvenience time consuming and battery damages degrades faster when rapid charging
its expensive to repair ev car when it becomes faulty and out of warranty
in winter ev uses alot of battery for heating same with summer with air con
with cost of living people now have very less money to buy
It’s Not full self driving
I would Not pay any more than £2000 for your car
the battery degrades every year then car become useless and more inconvenience as it degrades
electric cars Not worth it’s value anymore
This all is load of bull.. In Finland we had -39°C last winter and never get nothing to worry about with ev. Cabin was always warm and windows frost free. Costs of driving was adout 8€/100km.
I charge my car while i'm working or at night while sleeping so no hasle there. Service costs. First service at 2year or 40.000km costs 150€ next one 4years or 80.000km and costs 350€. next on is 6years or 120.000km and 150€.
Car costs about 40.000€ total with all bels and whisles. That makes about 310€/month + electrics about 60€.
So can you tell me what kind of petrol car you can beat that? Even used one.
What about Hybrids...😮