Brilliant brilliant brilliant video, I’ve been looking for something like this for a while in my researching the switch to EV. There are guides etc online but to have it visualised and analogised the way you have done it was so helpful, I’ll be referring back to this video time and time again I’m sure. Thank you!
Very well structured and so insightful. With Evs becoming more popular the need for this information is higher. Now I know what Im reading and what to look for when comparing cars!!!
Small correction about the connectors that Tesla use. Over in the US, Teslas use a proprietary connector. This is because when they were tooling up, the Type 1 connector was still in development. So they had to go their own direction. The Tesla connector is smaller than the Type 1 and this informed the design of the charging socket fascia. Fortunately, the Type 2 socket fits in the fascia of the Model S and X, but not the whole CCS2 socket. Tesla also favoured re-using existing pins in the socket for DC charging. Their own connector does this and that's why the Type 2 socket in the Model S does too. Tesla were expecting DC charging on Type 2 (CCS2) to take this solution. But the standards makers went for extra pins instead. So for the Model 3 they re-designed the fascia to support the full CCS2 socket.
You are absolutely correct. We aimed the video for the UK (or Europe) and honestly never thought we would get viewers all the way from the US. Thanks for watching!
Hi thank you, this helps me understand the fact the electricorik has 3 different measurements for the same thing that comes out the end of the cable…😮 What I am searching for is an explanation of what is in the “box” that is on a 240volt mode 2 , type 2 cable, how does that effect or modify the electric if it’s still the same in and out ..? Please 🤔
Well if you insist comparing fishes and bicycles. University physics has pretty much nothing to do with practical everyday entry level understanding, totally different regimes for different purposes :-)
@@benbaselet2026 the basics of electricity: power, current and voltage and how to imagine them. That's pretty universal between university physics and practical everyday entry level understanding...
Besides the video itself I live the light blue paint job on the i3 at 11:17. Have you thought about adding some orange accents? ;-) Honestly: Please tell me what that color is - I want that for my boring black i3.
Is there a video in the making on how do you best deal with charging your battery with a view to maximum battery life. I see that on BMW i3 forums it is written that the battery can be charged 100% full and others say that a maximum of 85% is really better for the life of the battery (and how do you do that in practice?). Also any experience what to do with an old battery that only has 70% capacity left and what are the costs of this? Hope you will find a new shed soon! 👍
Great video thanks, but I have a question. On a car with a Type 2 connector (not CCS) can I use a Type 2 CCS charging cable. I am assuming not as I imagine the CCS connector won't fit because the DC part of the connector has nowhere to go? If I am right, could I buy a Type 2 male to Type 2 female extension cable which should allow the female Type 2 connector on the extension to fit onto the male Type 2 part of the CCS connector without obstruction? Thanks for any help.
Thank you. The Megane E-Tech uses a CCS port for rapid charging, so you can use any Tesla Superchargers open to 3rd party vehicles without any additional cables / adapters. We have a dedicated video on that here: ua-cam.com/video/2qOXPoZuBvw/v-deo.html
Hi I bought a simple Type 2 Mennekes plug to Scucko socket for my electric motorcycle which only has a computer power cable socket so 1kW AC needed. When the AC Type 2 stations has socket it fits in and works fine, but there are Type 2 EV charge stations with Type 2 cable instead of socket. In the cable end my Type 2 plug does not touch the pins, the plastic spacing is too long. Can I cot a centimeter from the plastic plug end just to fit both socket and cable Type 2 chargers?
What adapter etc. would I need to be able to charge my mobility scooter cabin car from an EV Charger, here in the u.k. I currently charge it on a normal 3 pin plug like you would use for any electrical home device, kettle, fridge, microwave etc.
Excellent video. Will the content of is presentation will be same if we are charging a super capacitor instead of a battery? Appreciate your thoughts. Thanks
8:00 By original design, type 2 was AC 1 phase, AC 3 phase and DC. DC worked by combining AC L1 and L2 into DC-, and L3 and N into DC+. Each pin can do up to 80A AC (3 phase, or 50kW), and 100A DC, so it would be 200A at 400V, or 80kW. Renault Zoe in 2014 could charge up to 63A AC or 43kW, and by internal circuit diagram, up to 40kW DC, which was never enabled. Tesla uses longer pins, so it can push up to 150kW DC. So, Europe would never need NACS equivalent, type 2 was a good design from the start. Issue was that VW 'invented'. They limited their cars to single phase only, often 3kW. This way, their cars would charge for 20 hours. Then marketed CCS as improvement, to enable fast charging and paid options. In my opinion, EU should have never allowed CCS to become a standard, but VW has taken the money from the German government to build a CCS network, then it spread across the EU. And politicians are not electrical engineers...
Can I charge intermediate charging with 7.2kW charger. Means 3 hours in the night 7pm-10pm then switch off and again initiate the charging 6am-9am. Will this be ohk or create any problem on LFP battery
I bought recently a 2017 94h I3. It has arround 45.000 km. I did last week a 1200 km journey and used rapid charging. All of the stations, except one, were 50 kwh stations. No problems there. Arround 20/25 minutes to charge from 20 to 80%. The other station was a 160 kwh fast charging and when i plugged the car it started charging normally but when it reached 75% an error occurred. The charging was stopped and on the my bmw app two error messages appeared: impossible to fast charge and also the impossible to charge message. Later i plugged on a type2 charger and all the errors disappeared. So, on 50 kwh stations no problems. The only time i used a really fast station i had a problem. Any ideas of what could have happened? Greetings from Portugal. Nice video.
The error sounds more like a coincidence and not necessarily related to the fact that you were using a higher power charger. We had a couple of similar issues on 50kW units as well. Replugging always cleared the fault. It can sometimes happen if the CCS plug is loose / dirty or there is a communication software bug (between the car and the charger) - given the power involved, everybody errs on the side of caution and lets the device throw an error instead of trying to continue with the charge. Hope that helps. Enjoy your i3!
Very good explanation but I still dont understand CCS. Why is it combined AC and DC in the same plug? Are there DC chargers which also outputs AC? Are there EV cars that can only be charge with AC and not DC?
Let us try to answer one by one: - AC and DC are simply combined to save on space (i.e. a car does not need 2 different charging ports, but only 1) - CCS DC chargers only use the 2 big bottom pins for delivering power (a couple of the top pins are used for communication, but no AC power is delivered) - There are EVs which only support AC. Usually earlier models which were mostly intended for urban use, such as the 60Ah i3's not equipped with the optional CCS or the previous generation Renault ZOE's. (These only have a standard Type 2 port.) Hope this helps.
@@wiselyauto If I understood good AC charging (3.5kW home charger) use AC over the cable up to the car socket? Probably inside the car is the convertor to DC coz every battery the battery can be charged only in DC mode!? Here in Macedonia mostly there are Type2 public chargers 22kW (which supprisingly are free of cost). Is it the same as home(?) chargers - over the cable up to the cars charging port is running AC current?
very informative and concise video, I m about to buy an EV from china which has a GB/T connector for DC charging however the charging stations at my country using the european standard (CCS) and I found adopters some people use to connect chinese evs to CCS chargers but some are saying its not safe I want to know your opinion if it safe or not, Thank you
Hi sir, if the i3s Rex I am looking for to buy comes only with type 2 connection, could it be charged at 43kw in a public charger or will not accept that speed? If yes, and it has a 40kwh battery capacity, could it be charged from 10% to 80% in around 35 mins? Many thanks in advance.
Theoretically, the slower the charge, the smaller losses you get, but as long as you charge on AC, it's not something we would worry about. (Would recommend using a home charger instead of relying on domestic plugs though for a number of reasons.)
The i3 does have battery pre-conditioning for departure. The electric heater also helps to keep the battery at the optimum operating temperature while driving. It cannot however pre-heat the battery for faster rapid charging. (However the battery seems to be quite happy to charge at the full rate even at relatively low ambient temperatures.)
@@wiselyauto thanks for the info, yes it is a must-have just only for long trips and urgent matters. Finally I went for an i3s 120ah 2020 with ccs of course! Keep like this please, you're fantastic!
Theoreatically, the lower the power, the better (so 7kW is better than 11). In reality it should not make any percievable difference though, even over a number of years.
@@wiselyautomany thanks great video - One qq on the topic above - if I installed a 22kW charger for when I need a quicker charge (max 11Kw) but then used the BMW standard charging cable would that throttle it back to 7kW to better maintain the batteries for longer overnight charging?
BMW officially recommends to keep the car topped up, so whenever you have an opportunity, just plug it in. But the batteries degrade so slowly that it’s not a thing to be concerned about.
@@wiselyauto so better to keep the battery full. Question: I leave my car charging for 8 sometimes 12hrs on a 2 level charger, in 5 to 6 hours it usually gets charged to full capacity but i leave it plugged it until i leave work. Is that okay for a BMW i3?
Considering English not his first language he is extremely articulate and communicates a complicated new subject really well. Excellent video.
I couldn't agree more. Great video.
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Brilliant brilliant brilliant video, I’ve been looking for something like this for a while in my researching the switch to EV. There are guides etc online but to have it visualised and analogised the way you have done it was so helpful, I’ll be referring back to this video time and time again I’m sure. Thank you!
Just had my first ev for 2 weeks, love it - still got lots to learn. Great vid. Many thanks.
Very well structured and so insightful. With Evs becoming more popular the need for this information is higher. Now I know what Im reading and what to look for when comparing cars!!!
Thank you for the detailed and clear explanation on EV battery, much appreciated!
Very well presented and explained video Martin, thank you for taking the time to share your experience with us.
Simple and smooth way to explain
Really useful
Thanks
Excellent video for a newcomer into EV industry. Thanks buddy!
Another very informative and professional video. Thanks Martin.
Thank you so much for organizing the pieces of knowledge I had in mind to a full picture. Well done
I love the BMW i3 print behind you! Great information. Thanks
best intro video I've seen to the concepts and varieties. thank you!
Thank you for this knowledge. I will buy my first EV, soon!
Small correction about the connectors that Tesla use. Over in the US, Teslas use a proprietary connector. This is because when they were tooling up, the Type 1 connector was still in development. So they had to go their own direction. The Tesla connector is smaller than the Type 1 and this informed the design of the charging socket fascia. Fortunately, the Type 2 socket fits in the fascia of the Model S and X, but not the whole CCS2 socket.
Tesla also favoured re-using existing pins in the socket for DC charging. Their own connector does this and that's why the Type 2 socket in the Model S does too. Tesla were expecting DC charging on Type 2 (CCS2) to take this solution. But the standards makers went for extra pins instead. So for the Model 3 they re-designed the fascia to support the full CCS2 socket.
You are absolutely correct. We aimed the video for the UK (or Europe) and honestly never thought we would get viewers all the way from the US. Thanks for watching!
Best video ever on EV .
Such a simple and wonderful explanation. Thank you!
Hi thank you, this helps me understand the fact the electricorik has 3 different measurements for the same thing that comes out the end of the cable…😮
What I am searching for is an explanation of what is in the “box” that is on a 240volt mode 2 , type 2 cable, how does that effect or modify the electric if it’s still the same in and out ..? Please 🤔
Thank you! Excellent information for the video and very professionally delivered.
Very good explanation and graphics, thanks man!!
Great video! Almost explains electricity better than university physics.
Well if you insist comparing fishes and bicycles. University physics has pretty much nothing to do with practical everyday entry level understanding, totally different regimes for different purposes :-)
@@benbaselet2026 the basics of electricity: power, current and voltage and how to imagine them. That's pretty universal between university physics and practical everyday entry level understanding...
Great video. Minor point, volts is the unit of potential difference, not voltage.
Excellent presentation!
Very Brilliant and Excellent Information .
Besides the video itself I live the light blue paint job on the i3 at 11:17. Have you thought about adding some orange accents? ;-) Honestly: Please tell me what that color is - I want that for my boring black i3.
Superb! Thank you.
Is there a video in the making on how do you best deal with charging your battery with a view to maximum battery life. I see that on BMW i3 forums it is written that the battery can be charged 100% full and others say that a maximum of 85% is really better for the life of the battery (and how do you do that in practice?). Also any experience what to do with an old battery that only has 70% capacity left and what are the costs of this? Hope you will find a new shed soon! 👍
Brilliant explanation
Very nicely explained. Thank you!
Very clear thanks for sharing
Great video thanks, but I have a question. On a car with a Type 2 connector (not CCS) can I use a Type 2 CCS charging cable. I am assuming not as I imagine the CCS connector won't fit because the DC part of the connector has nowhere to go?
If I am right, could I buy a Type 2 male to Type 2 female extension cable which should allow the female Type 2 connector on the extension to fit onto the male Type 2 part of the CCS connector without obstruction?
Thanks for any help.
Great video, thank you!
Good presentation. Thx .
Very informative
Great video! Very well explained, thank you!
Great job !! Good information
Very good thank you
I love my BMW i3. Still looking for a type 1 dc charger but that will come.
Very helpful and informative- I have a Renault E tech - can I plug into Tesla stations with my type 2/ CCS cable?
Thank you.
The Megane E-Tech uses a CCS port for rapid charging, so you can use any Tesla Superchargers open to 3rd party vehicles without any additional cables / adapters. We have a dedicated video on that here:
ua-cam.com/video/2qOXPoZuBvw/v-deo.html
Hi I bought a simple Type 2 Mennekes plug to Scucko socket for my electric motorcycle which only has a computer power cable socket so 1kW AC needed. When the AC Type 2 stations has socket it fits in and works fine, but there are Type 2 EV charge stations with Type 2 cable instead of socket.
In the cable end my Type 2 plug does not touch the pins, the plastic spacing is too long.
Can I cot a centimeter from the plastic plug end just to fit both socket and cable Type 2 chargers?
Thanks really good video!
What adapter etc. would I need to be able to charge my mobility scooter cabin car from an EV Charger, here in the u.k. I currently charge it on a normal 3 pin plug like you would use for any electrical home device, kettle, fridge, microwave etc.
Excellent video. Will the content of is presentation will be same if we are charging a super capacitor instead of a battery? Appreciate your thoughts. Thanks
8:00
By original design, type 2 was AC 1 phase, AC 3 phase and DC. DC worked by combining AC L1 and L2 into DC-, and L3 and N into DC+. Each pin can do up to 80A AC (3 phase, or 50kW), and 100A DC, so it would be 200A at 400V, or 80kW.
Renault Zoe in 2014 could charge up to 63A AC or 43kW, and by internal circuit diagram, up to 40kW DC, which was never enabled. Tesla uses longer pins, so it can push up to 150kW DC.
So, Europe would never need NACS equivalent, type 2 was a good design from the start.
Issue was that VW 'invented'. They limited their cars to single phase only, often 3kW. This way, their cars would charge for 20 hours. Then marketed CCS as improvement, to enable fast charging and paid options.
In my opinion, EU should have never allowed CCS to become a standard, but VW has taken the money from the German government to build a CCS network, then it spread across the EU. And politicians are not electrical engineers...
What % of energy from your metered charger (or house meter) actually resides in a charged battery, usuable to the vehicle?
I'm working on my mini project wireless EV charging...can you please help me
Is it true that charging any electric car to maximum capacity will degrade the lithium ions quicker?
Can I charge intermediate charging with 7.2kW charger.
Means 3 hours in the night 7pm-10pm then switch off and again initiate the charging 6am-9am.
Will this be ohk or create any problem on LFP battery
I bought recently a 2017 94h I3. It has arround 45.000 km. I did last week a 1200 km journey and used rapid charging. All of the stations, except one, were 50 kwh stations. No problems there. Arround 20/25 minutes to charge from 20 to 80%.
The other station was a 160 kwh fast charging and when i plugged the car it started charging normally but when it reached 75% an error occurred. The charging was stopped and on the my bmw app two error messages appeared: impossible to fast charge and also the impossible to charge message. Later i plugged on a type2 charger and all the errors disappeared.
So, on 50 kwh stations no problems. The only time i used a really fast station i had a problem.
Any ideas of what could have happened?
Greetings from Portugal.
Nice video.
The error sounds more like a coincidence and not necessarily related to the fact that you were using a higher power charger. We had a couple of similar issues on 50kW units as well. Replugging always cleared the fault.
It can sometimes happen if the CCS plug is loose / dirty or there is a communication software bug (between the car and the charger) - given the power involved, everybody errs on the side of caution and lets the device throw an error instead of trying to continue with the charge.
Hope that helps. Enjoy your i3!
I just bought a i3s 94ah 2018 "facelifted " charged twice on rapid change 175kw and no problems there.
Very good explanation but I still dont understand CCS. Why is it combined AC and DC in the same plug? Are there DC chargers which also outputs AC? Are there EV cars that can only be charge with AC and not DC?
Let us try to answer one by one:
- AC and DC are simply combined to save on space (i.e. a car does not need 2 different charging ports, but only 1)
- CCS DC chargers only use the 2 big bottom pins for delivering power (a couple of the top pins are used for communication, but no AC power is delivered)
- There are EVs which only support AC. Usually earlier models which were mostly intended for urban use, such as the 60Ah i3's not equipped with the optional CCS or the previous generation Renault ZOE's. (These only have a standard Type 2 port.)
Hope this helps.
@@wiselyauto thank you. Much appreciate the detail explanation
@@wiselyauto If I understood good AC charging (3.5kW home charger) use AC over the cable up to the car socket? Probably inside the car is the convertor to DC coz every battery the battery can be charged only in DC mode!?
Here in Macedonia mostly there are Type2 public chargers 22kW (which supprisingly are free of cost). Is it the same as home(?) chargers - over the cable up to the cars charging port is running AC current?
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very informative and concise video, I m about to buy an EV from china which has a GB/T connector for DC charging however the charging stations at my country using the european standard (CCS) and I found adopters some people use to connect chinese evs to CCS chargers but some are saying its not safe I want to know your opinion if it safe or not, Thank you
We would definitely advise against using unofficial adapters, especially when talking about DC rapid charging. Sorry.
sir how could i find a load for 9 meter bus of attery 350 kwh
Hi sir, if the i3s Rex I am looking for to buy comes only with type 2 connection, could it be charged at 43kw in a public charger or will not accept that speed? If yes, and it has a 40kwh battery capacity, could it be charged from 10% to 80% in around 35 mins? Many thanks in advance.
Ok now I understood, i3 with ac charging/type2 only accept max 11kw. So it will take 4 hours…
How to increase the charging efficiency for ev
Theoretically, the slower the charge, the smaller losses you get, but as long as you charge on AC, it's not something we would worry about.
(Would recommend using a home charger instead of relying on domestic plugs though for a number of reasons.)
Does the BMW i3 have pre conditioning for the battery?
The i3 does have battery pre-conditioning for departure. The electric heater also helps to keep the battery at the optimum operating temperature while driving.
It cannot however pre-heat the battery for faster rapid charging. (However the battery seems to be quite happy to charge at the full rate even at relatively low ambient temperatures.)
What would be the price to install a ccs connection in the i3? Thanks
We are afraid it's practically impossible. If it's a must-have for you we would recommend just looking for a car which comes with it.
@@wiselyauto thanks for the info, yes it is a must-have just only for long trips and urgent matters. Finally I went for an i3s 120ah 2020 with ccs of course! Keep like this please, you're fantastic!
hello, what is better for the batteries?
charge 1 phase 7.2kw 32 amp or 3 phase 11 kw 16 amp?
Thanks
Theoreatically, the lower the power, the better (so 7kW is better than 11).
In reality it should not make any percievable difference though, even over a number of years.
@@wiselyautomany thanks great video - One qq on the topic above - if I installed a 22kW charger for when I need a quicker charge (max 11Kw) but then used the BMW standard charging cable would that throttle it back to 7kW to better maintain the batteries for longer overnight charging?
I would have equated volts to pressure and not pipe diameter... otherwise nice work
What is thé best way too charge a BMW i3 94 h. Each day or once a week. I drive 30 km a day.
BMW officially recommends to keep the car topped up, so whenever you have an opportunity, just plug it in.
But the batteries degrade so slowly that it’s not a thing to be concerned about.
@@wiselyauto so better to keep the battery full.
Question: I leave my car charging for 8 sometimes 12hrs on a 2 level charger, in 5 to 6 hours it usually gets charged to full capacity but i leave it plugged it until i leave work.
Is that okay for a BMW i3?
@@RB-es1vx Absolutely fine. The charging stops when the car reaches 100%.
@@wiselyauto thank you for your reply. For that I will subscribe.
Isn’t it v^2 x I not V x I
You started losing me after you said "Hello".
If this guy thinks this is simply he's not living in the same world as the rest what a joke
50.000 euro for the electric VW Golf where I live. NO THANKS.