Shame old chat is gone , someone called this happening back when it was teased. And other people want to be bald with backwards cap now but can't lol also someone called it that they were gonna turn discord into tech support😅 crea-ture became too predictable 😅
'we dont support mods' probs cause these independent modders do a better job and with more passion than the studio. they dont support it cause they're shown they could do better work but dont.
I would think that this attitude would be reveresed: Indie developers should love mods and corporate developers should hate them but Bethesda, CDPR and others respect the modding communities that have come from their game. The Session devs are jealous losers in over their heads.
When I read that on Insta earlier I was done. Went from a game that was on the ups with devs that seemed to care to now a uninspired game with trash PR and endless dlc maps. Before you know it you spent $100 on a unfinished game!.
fakeskate is one of the most dedicated fanbase of anything that i have ever seen and these developers keep fucking it up for no reason. its such a waste of a great community
The playtest is great. I think the new skate game will be really good when fully release. it's still rough around the edges but damn its really fun so far.
@@ryliemooney2610 to be fair I find them really hard to compare. Session and Skate are so fundamentally different that I don’t see the reasoning behind people saying it’s over for Session when Skate comes out.
@@maxonteamone that's very true, I haven't done much research into Skate 4 however trying to compare skate3 to session is like comparing galaga to war thunder, arcade vs sim, the classic battle. I do hope that someday session will get a little more active support and enjoy developing with the community
From the sounds of it the team is probably incredibly limited on resources and time. Personally I am happy with the state of things so occasional new maps and minor fixes will do me well. But I can see, especially for those that have been here since the Kickstarter era, that the current state of things is far less than what was promised. Probably should have never gone with Nacon but if they hadn't then we likely would have had a dead game for many years now.
I can't help but feel like Nacon are the true puppet masters behind this whole situation. Now, granted, I've only been playing Session for about 2 years now (On PS5, mind you). But from everything I gather, Creature were VERY supportive of their community and VERY responsive at first....until Nacon came along, now here we are all this time later. I mean, I don't wanna sound like a tinfoil hat-wearing conspiracy theorist here, but I just feel like Creature and the dev team are just collateral damage at this point, and they're just carrying out the orders handed down to them from Nacon. With all that being said, I still love Session and will continue to play it because I geniunely enjoy it.
for real... we went from "no bugfixes til UE5" to "well, we dropped UE5 and focus on giving you a 1.0 now" - like, why do you call your current version 1.0 if you know it's not a worthy 1.0?? Right, Nacon needs to sell map DLC and crea-ture likes the money i guess.. They're making a new non skateboarding game after all.
Dude, it's really sad to see the current state of this game. I've been following Session from the very beginning, ever since the project showed up on Steam Greenlight. I used to watch the development videos from mah and Vincent, and I was one of the backers on Kickstarter with pride because it was such a badass project, with heart and vision, made for people who really love skateboarding culture and its history. But after mah left and the studio was bought by Nacon, everything changed completely, and the game's development just went downhill. Don’t get me wrong, the game itself is still great, Session is still the best skateboarding game available right now, but Creature's actions since its acquisition don’t align with the game’s original roots/vision anymore. What used to feel like something made with passion now just feels like any other generic product made to sell and nothing more, and this attitude towards the community (which makes no sense at all, by the way) just proves that. It's sad.
I always have a good laugh at the Instagram Session account replying to literally every single hate comment they get. They’re so passionate about their game on social media but they hate their game when it comes to its development. I’m starting to get into game development and it’s one of the most enjoyable and rewarding things I’ve ever done, I think the devs should just experiment and try to have more fun with the development of their game. At least we get more content and the devs don’t want to commit dead.
I’m sure it becomes less fun when it’s your full time job and you have a big angry publisher breathing down your neck. I feel like their passion for working on the game died a little after 1.0 launched
Mate they still haven't fixed basic control issues what have been present from bata. 5 years on and rotation based fakie tricks still don't read correctly. I use to report a lot of my finding to them but never once heard anything back to them so stopped in 21 and just focused on guides for it. But not I've lost motivation to support a game what clearly isn't going to get any better. Why are people having to look up videos on youtube to play a game. Don't get me wrong I love that i've helped so many people but really my channel shouldn't be needed for people to continue playing session longer then five minuets. It's a shame really a lot of the bugs could be really easy fixes. I won't mention the unfulfilled promises and cut content.
I've only been playing this game for a couple months, and I feel like the John Travolta confused meme entering into a community that's burning down around me.
I did graphic design and advertising work for phasmophobia and I saw that once a game gets bought out it’s just DLCs from that point to generate money because the devs no longer have a say. Seems something similar is probably going on with Nacon
No matter what I’ll still have respect for the Session devs. Rather than staying silent and leaving a dead game for us (Easy Day Studios) Session actually keeps updating their game and giving us more skate company gear, dlc’s, bug fixes, etc.. As much as I do want multiplayer I already lost hope in that aspect. Hopefully things change, but I’ll still continue to play the game.
I was a pretty active user in that discord, I was looking forward to this update and checked the discord to see if anyone else was, and it was all gone, they just deleted almost all of the discord, that hurt a lot, i enjoyed it so much with all the little challenges the community there held, the spot of the week, someone doing a cool diy spot and then a ton of other people trying it out too, just all gone, there wasn't even any warning of the change, they just did it like, an hour or so before the DLC dropped, i will say there was quite a bit of criticism and negativity but it was definitely out of love, folks who had been here since the very first announcement, the very first Kickstarter build, just incredibly passionate people that wanted this game to do well and be great, just all that support down the drain, the way this was handled was, imo, very poorly done, and I'm very glad that you're talking about it, this kind of thing shouldn't go unnoticed, especially when a major aspect of skateboarding, fakeskate especially, is the community
watched a video about the DLC, seen sticker art clearly made by ai... all passion from the devs, if there was any left, is gone for good now.. they'll just wrap it up, milk it a little longer and focus on their new game, which btw they also announced today (it's a secret project as of yet, but not a skateboarding related game). People buying all these DLC in hopes the money goes into fixing Session, and they reveal "a new game" LMAO what a joke.
I bought this game in it's current state knowing what I was getting. I've bought every dlc with the same mind set. They're delivering on what I pay for.
I think one thing you didnt touch on is that Donovan in the beginning was a big part of the Discord, always in there chatting, sharing info, posting videos of upcoming features, etc. Then suddenly around 1.0 he just straight up left the Discord, and was focused only on the Twitter/Instagram portion. And now suddenly hes back to managing the Discord, at the very same time the Discord was nuked.
I think people need to keep talking about this stuff and making new players aware I know how bad things have been as a long time player but I genuinely feel bad imagining a new player buying the game just to discover this stuff after the fact thanks for the video
For them to say they don't support modding shows how utterly out of touch they are with their own game and the community around it! Modding is what gives games exposure and can spark a renewed interest that brings in a surge of new and older players.
Before the game came out they literally said “we want you to mod our game” now they’re saying “We don’t promote modding our game” yeah I give up I had hope for session like a lot like 90% of me believed it would be a great game, now it’s at 0
it's so confusing, can't find anything that the bug fixes seem to have broken in the half hour or so i jumped on to play, so why the timing for gutting the discord? they could've just had a really well-received update that people were happy with if donovan would've just logged off and not gone on a power trip lol
I joined this discord like 2-3 days ago, I thought they revoked access for me saying I couldn’t wait for Skate to come out because I’d probably stop playing Session due to the no multiplayer thing where it is completely doable, overall idek why I joined the “Server” now, if you can even call it that, cheers for the video mate.
It's definitely not completely doable. If they did do it they would HAVE to lock the stats menu. Which would suck and would not be worth it. I'd rather it stay single player.
The fact that you can download a perfectly emulated mod of Downtown LA from SkaterXL into Session but the developers just released a half finished Prague map for $8 tells me everything I need to know about Creature studios. Until Skate. comes out and they have actual competition they will continue to do the community dirty. People make excuses for them because they love the game but it's just laziness and greed in my opinion.
You said it right the first time… the discord was just a place for people to talk about how much they hate the game and voice their complaints to the devs. That’s why you said that one first, and the thing about “it was a place for the community to just kinda hang out” second. AND this is what happens when all you do is bitch and moan about a game in their discord. Maybe if people had just been more accepting of the hard work that already went into making the game, they wouldn’t have shut it down 🤷🤷
as someone who's played since 2018 the multiplayer thing has ground my gears for a LONG time. Post kickstarter and pre-1.0 there wasn't a doubt in anyone's mind that multiplayer would EVENTUALLY be implemented into the game and it seemed like there was this HARD SHIFT once the pre-1.0 animation overhaul came into play (I think it was update 0.0.0.8?) so I never felt the "multiplayer was never an intended feature during development" we would see in comment sections and on servers held weight. Also a goofy skater so. I've done my waiting!!!! /hj
One of the reasons why I quit gaming. SkaterXL was the final nail in the coffin. Here's how to never be disappointed: “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.” - Matthew 11:29-30
they dont support modding because it takes away from them being able to charge for basic bs DLC they charge for that a modder prob has already made and done it better.
Wait, isn't the game already using Unreal 4? Correct me if I'm wrong, but when UE5 was first revealed, didn't they say something about it being easy for studios to upgrade from 4 to 5? The way they said they plan on adding more free maps and/or content on an annual basis makes it sound like it's a once a year type of thing. Is losing discord really that big of a deal? I mean, there is a subreddit that everyone could migrate to. Just sayin'.
Yep it’s on UE4 currently but because the physics engine on UE5 is different they would probably have a lot of problems that would outweigh the benefits The Discord being gone is a big deal to everyone that used it on a daily basis, posted messages and clips that are now gone forever. Not everybody uses Reddit nor is it a place you can just openly chat and have a live conversation with the community. It’s just not the same.
Okay so clearly they nuked the chats because of the very real backlash they're about to get as people realize the UE5 update is no longer coming. You know, the thing they froze development of the game for over a year to do. And apparently now they're starting over development from the same point the game was when it got bought out by Nacon. Hell, between this and all the bullshit they did with KT Racing and the release of Test Drive Unlimited Solar Crown, Nacon (and other French publishers) are now officially in my shitlist forever. And well, now we can choose between: -a skate sim game that never fulfilled it's potential, doesn't support modding, and doesn't get updated or communicate with it's community or -a skate sim game that never fulfilled it's potential, doesn't support modding, and doesn't get updated or communicate with it's community and potentially some microtransaction filled fomo-inducing slop from EA when Skate 4 releases. Great.
On the discord they said UE5 was dropped because everything in the UE4 version was built around PhysX and UE5 uses a different physics engine (Chaos), but they would have known this immediately when trying to migrate over to the new engine, if not before. It's well documented. , The whole scenario now reads like a BS excuse for why they haven't updated the core game for such a long time. It does not take a year to figure out the core physics and trick system are not going to work and they'd basically have to redo everything from scratch. It wouldn't even take a week. Probably a day for anyone competent who has any knowledge of Unreal at all. It was all a gigantic ruse to continue selling DLC while ignoring the core game that needed work.
The Discord ¨revamp" is a clear message and in my opinion is unjustifiable, but the worst thing is the UE5 announcement. I don't care about the reason behind their choices, if a company/team/whatever makes a big announcement and then get cold feet, it isn´t trustworthy. Announcements should me made AFTER a proper evaluation in terms of resources, abilities, time, etc. That said, I like the game and I appreciate the bug fixes very much. I won't buy any map though, they can keep them.
@@MadDgtl as hard core fans of the game as you can see in our content, all that matters is the game itself. And we're grateful for all these hours of joy/frustration they provided so far. Big respect for the studio, and the community and the content creators. Hoping for the best. BTW, yes, the bounce seems nicely fixed, and the satisfaction meter through the roof !
Look i could kinda be okay with them not adding vert and it being a solely street skating game, what i cannot understand though is how vert is not considered a core mechanic at this point like yall send me to fdr and make me do this shit in the story ffs...at that point you have made it a core mechanic if you like it or not.
Man , when dev's do this shit, it makes me kinda hate them and never want to play their game again. It happened with Witcher 3. On the dev's discord i asked why another guy got banned so i wouldnt do it , And they banned me for asking. I had just joined and had no idea what was going on. So consequently it made me hate the Witcher3, i can kinda play it now without the problem. Never made it past the tower where the rats ate the lady with the guy with the mask and Keira Metz and the ghost lamp thing. I guess i should play it now.
But the reason the community is ticked off is because of them not engaging properly, half truths and false hopes. Its not the game itself, the way the devs handles the games progress and its community. We enjoy the game and want it to be the best it can but they show us otherwise. Sucks nacon bought them out and we are here, but maybe without it wouldnt have gotten this far or even 1.0. Wish munkhead would explain what was gonna make it a fire year since it all burnt down😂
Nacon buyout officially killed the game…. Don’t get me wrong imma still play it but this will defo have a stain in the whole thing…. Now we all gotta live with what we got in the game it is NOW. IRL Map releases and fixing bugs in current UE is fine by me
i don't see the big deal discord is a clusterfuck always has been i think ppl are just overthinking it i mean it is just a game after all and from a business standpoint you can see why they don't support mods give ppl an inch an they'll take a mile there just reigning it back in and cleanin it up abit. i try and give benefit of the doubt
I too like to give the benefit of the doubt but it can only go so far. The Discord meant a great deal to a lot of the community so I think people are rightfully upset.
Most of the game mechanics were talked in there. Such a thing the game for itself failed to do repeatdly, even after an overhaul tutorial for onboarding new players. The search bar overthere was a gold mine for the dedicated. You could search for topics, even for usernames (like old devs etc). Their problem is that a Q&A model doesn't provide serendipidity (as a mean to discover things you could not think of about the game). We really can ask only about what we know... kinda paradoxal. And that's not even talking about memories lost forever
I actually think supporting mods can be very healthy for games, especially games like this where there is so much potential for cool stuff to be created. It keeps long time players interested while the additional content is more enticing for people considering the game. I get that it could impact the sales of DLC, but if it done well they could increase the size of the player base and still release DLC, if it is good people will still buy it, increase the longevity of the game and make more money over all.
Well the "community" is total shit anyway... I'd close that Discord too. Nothing but complaining and straight up attacking in every single comment. The studio is dropping a cool map now and then and that's that, live with it or move on. A game doesn't owe you anything
The UE5 update could kill the game. The UE4.27 mods would ALL break and years of hard work from the modding community would disappear in a second. I don't think a UE5 "upgrade" makes sense for Session. The games player retention relies too much on user created content (like all other extreme sports games)
Yet they publicly do not condone modding whatsoever now, they truly do not give a fuck about mods, even if the majority of the community do, all they seem care about is selling DLC. , They admit the reason why they gave up on UE5 was the different physics engine, PhysX is not supported in UE5 and that's what everything in UE4 Session is designed around. They would have had to rebuild everything from scratch, and they had to know this right away, but the kept up the lie to excuse their lack of doing any improvements to Session during this whole time while trying to sell DLC maps. While the result of switching to UE5 would have hurt the mod community, that is absolutely not why they dropped it. If anything it probably was more enticing because there wouldn't be any mods (until modders like yourself figured out how to unlock modding for the new game, and convert and update maps for it, etc) so they would have been able to sell a lot more DLC. They were probably salivating at the opportunity for paid maps and cosmetics to be the one and only option for new content.
i play session on switch its fun, but sad that we aren´t going to get any updates. Was expected, nintendo system is a bit limited. Skater XL is an option, it as multiplayer, but the rest is not that great. Lets wait and see were Creature goes whit this.
At this point they should just SALE THE ENTIRE game to a REAL development company that has the money and team to take the game to the next level 🤷🏾♂️ if you guys are so satisfied with the realism to the fact that you ignore every other.flaw in the game it’ll get old soon trust me
We don’t want to hurt the company, there is some really good guys there whose livelihoods depend on it. We just want our voices heard and the game to get better.
they can't support mods if people keeping modding in brands that crea-ture studios hasn't acquired a license to use. if they didn't want to support mods they wouldn't, as in you would not be able to mod it at all.
Man the game feels great but its so over for Skate Sim. What are they developing if not mulitplayer and new vert tricks? If the game stays like this theres 0 hype, i want to skate with my friends. Like okay keep your game a singleplayer sandbox mode im gonna go play Skate or Descenders Next or CarX or even Minecraft where theres multiplayer. Like on the list of things to do Skate Sim is not one of them for most of us atm. I can rapid fire name probably 40 games id easily rather play than Session 90% of the time. If it stays SP it would need a goliath open map or a huge campaign overhaul or something astronomically insane to get people playing consistently, just add multiplayer it would get so much replayability id play it every day. They could monetize a fuckin beanie or some shit and make bank and everyone will want to show it off.
Go skate with your friends then? Multi-player would be impossible unless they lock everyone's physics to the same settings. And I hope they never waste their time adding more stupid campaign missions. It's a simulator not a game.
I could see how transitioning to a newer engine would be tedious to do. But I'm not a developer either. Just speculation. Maybe it was too broken or they just don't want them have to take alot of time to perfect it.
@@yooomarie I've played Skate playtest and the gameplay sucks. I don't have any faith in them to make it good. I just fingerboard because all the fake skate games are not improving.
@@itspigeonthief You're not wrong...I know...but, the info we got was way too specific to just be "rumors"...and it came from a dev. I also think that, "You heard it here first" kinda rubbed me the wrong way. My bad...Kiiba tends to get the short end of the stick for everything he brings to the community. I meant no disrespect...
The multiplayer excuse is such a joke. The “ physics wouldn’t work” is such bullshit. Just say you guys don’t know how to do it and hire some one to do it. If rocket league can figure out the physics of a bouncing ball with 3-6 people at a time multiplayer in a skateboarding game can be done. Sounds to me like this is the end of development. They’ll maybe put the updated goofy animations in but I doubt it. Well maybe see one or 2 more maps and these guys will move on. Shame.
Yeah this game has truely been a major let down and it is still not a fully flushed out game at this point. I feel like it has something to do with Nacon. Never trust a major game studio to have the same vision as an independent cause they are only in it for the money and not the love. But yeah I’ve played for soooo long, since the demo released on Xbox and I’ve had hope that they would eventually fix everything wrong but at this point it’s just not going to happen and that’s sad. I mean how do you not have more character customization, and not the shit you get in the new dlc that’s all lame as fuck. How do they STILL not have an animation for dropping the board like these are such basic things.
I remember once time in comments the only hope we has with the significant change its in the multiplayer annouciment. Now we finally get the menssage and now we know there's no hope. As consummer of this game i since the early acsses never was engaged and trully commited. I understand some comments are just attacks but its a minoriy of the community. This attitude dont helps and i bet the minory will increased until have a moment they will block the comments. Its a shame a scam and a disapointment. Hope the people dont stop for search better results.
@@TherandomguyTV you’re playing it for the wrong reasons and one man’s trash is another treasure. You must be dumb or just young. They’re completely different play style. One is arcade one is simulation. Can’t compare that aspect
We've been disrespected for so long now that some of us start to be disrespectful - and these people are the problem now?? COMON! but yea, bottom line i can just repeat what i wrote under another video of yours a while ago... "@almightyIrie 3 months ago Nacon killed the game, and with that they kinda killed cre-ature as well. IMHO it's that simple, and obviously unbelievably sad." EDIT: The fact they been hyping up the UE5 engine was either just a publicity stunt (knowing UE5 was all the hype when they announced they'd be switching as well) or utter and complete incompetence on the devs side... Like, as a dev, you know the engine's trait before announcing you're gonna work with it? Like, they just said "yea we gonna go UE5" without knowing what UE5 actually is?? That's really, REALLY, low tbh..
"my black guy has white guy hair" as the first post when you check the bug reports is hilarious haha
I laughed so hard at that, dude 😂
I mean he has a point
Shame old chat is gone , someone called this happening back when it was teased. And other people want to be bald with backwards cap now but can't lol also someone called it that they were gonna turn discord into tech support😅 crea-ture became too predictable 😅
Yep, I raised that one. Absolute scenes!
I've seen "black" people with "white" people hair in reality. What is "black" or "white" hair?
'we dont support mods'
probs cause these independent modders do a better job and with more passion than the studio.
they dont support it cause they're shown they could do better work but dont.
Plus they wouldnt make money off mods being made, thats the only reason lol but modders defo do a better job
@@zero_nochi6881Would a mod browser would be fire but id still buy the mods if they partnered
I would think that this attitude would be reveresed: Indie developers should love mods and corporate developers should hate them but Bethesda, CDPR and others respect the modding communities that have come from their game. The Session devs are jealous losers in over their heads.
When I read that on Insta earlier I was done. Went from a game that was on the ups with devs that seemed to care to now a uninspired game with trash PR and endless dlc maps. Before you know it you spent $100 on a unfinished game!.
@zero_nochi6881 this is def the main reason. Easier to make money on dlc than improving the game.
fakeskate is one of the most dedicated fanbase of anything that i have ever seen and these developers keep fucking it up for no reason. its such a waste of a great community
sadly the fakeskate community has been used and abused many times, but we still stick together because we love skateboarding games!
At this point, i've migrated mostly to fingerboarding. All the current skating games have stagnated.
Skate cant come soon enough, so tired of these two companies just ignoring the community and doing nothing to expand their games
The playtest is great. I think the new skate game will be really good when fully release. it's still rough around the edges but damn its really fun so far.
Lmfao you think Skate is gonna listen to the community? They’ve already proven that they don’t even though they say they do.
@@maxonteamone at least skate is coming from a proper game, the indie devs making session and SXL are just the worst
@@ryliemooney2610 to be fair I find them really hard to compare. Session and Skate are so fundamentally different that I don’t see the reasoning behind people saying it’s over for Session when Skate comes out.
@@maxonteamone that's very true, I haven't done much research into Skate 4 however trying to compare skate3 to session is like comparing galaga to war thunder, arcade vs sim, the classic battle.
I do hope that someday session will get a little more active support and enjoy developing with the community
From the sounds of it the team is probably incredibly limited on resources and time. Personally I am happy with the state of things so occasional new maps and minor fixes will do me well. But I can see, especially for those that have been here since the Kickstarter era, that the current state of things is far less than what was promised.
Probably should have never gone with Nacon but if they hadn't then we likely would have had a dead game for many years now.
I can't help but feel like Nacon are the true puppet masters behind this whole situation.
Now, granted, I've only been playing Session for about 2 years now (On PS5, mind you). But from everything I gather, Creature were VERY supportive of their community and VERY responsive at first....until Nacon came along, now here we are all this time later.
I mean, I don't wanna sound like a tinfoil hat-wearing conspiracy theorist here, but I just feel like Creature and the dev team are just collateral damage at this point, and they're just carrying out the orders handed down to them from Nacon.
With all that being said, I still love Session and will continue to play it because I geniunely enjoy it.
no UE5. so what the fuck are they actually working on? sure aint content
The dlc maps, thats litterally it. Poor devs dont make any money
for real... we went from "no bugfixes til UE5" to "well, we dropped UE5 and focus on giving you a 1.0 now" - like, why do you call your current version 1.0 if you know it's not a worthy 1.0?? Right, Nacon needs to sell map DLC and crea-ture likes the money i guess.. They're making a new non skateboarding game after all.
DLC for the idiot d riders to buy
NOTHING. **STOP PAYING FOR DLCS!** VOTE WITH YOUR WALLETS!!!
Dude, it's really sad to see the current state of this game. I've been following Session from the very beginning, ever since the project showed up on Steam Greenlight. I used to watch the development videos from mah and Vincent, and I was one of the backers on Kickstarter with pride because it was such a badass project, with heart and vision, made for people who really love skateboarding culture and its history.
But after mah left and the studio was bought by Nacon, everything changed completely, and the game's development just went downhill. Don’t get me wrong, the game itself is still great, Session is still the best skateboarding game available right now, but Creature's actions since its acquisition don’t align with the game’s original roots/vision anymore. What used to feel like something made with passion now just feels like any other generic product made to sell and nothing more, and this attitude towards the community (which makes no sense at all, by the way) just proves that. It's sad.
Here we go. Been waiting for this one. Creature Studios are cowards.
Stop crying
They should give the DLC for free to say sorry 👀
i thought the only way we were getting actual goofy animations was with the switch to UE5?
I always have a good laugh at the Instagram Session account replying to literally every single hate comment they get. They’re so passionate about their game on social media but they hate their game when it comes to its development.
I’m starting to get into game development and it’s one of the most enjoyable and rewarding things I’ve ever done, I think the devs should just experiment and try to have more fun with the development of their game. At least we get more content and the devs don’t want to commit dead.
I’m sure it becomes less fun when it’s your full time job and you have a big angry publisher breathing down your neck. I feel like their passion for working on the game died a little after 1.0 launched
They're avoiding actual hate comments. They've never responded to how they've done nothing in years for the game.
Mate they still haven't fixed basic control issues what have been present from bata. 5 years on and rotation based fakie tricks still don't read correctly. I use to report a lot of my finding to them but never once heard anything back to them so stopped in 21 and just focused on guides for it. But not I've lost motivation to support a game what clearly isn't going to get any better. Why are people having to look up videos on youtube to play a game. Don't get me wrong I love that i've helped so many people but really my channel shouldn't be needed for people to continue playing session longer then five minuets. It's a shame really a lot of the bugs could be really easy fixes. I won't mention the unfulfilled promises and cut content.
Good job voicing the frustrations of the community.
I've only been playing this game for a couple months, and I feel like the John Travolta confused meme entering into a community that's burning down around me.
I did graphic design and advertising work for phasmophobia and I saw that once a game gets bought out it’s just DLCs from that point to generate money because the devs no longer have a say. Seems something similar is probably going on with Nacon
No matter what I’ll still have respect for the Session devs. Rather than staying silent and leaving a dead game for us (Easy Day Studios) Session actually keeps updating their game and giving us more skate company gear, dlc’s, bug fixes, etc.. As much as I do want multiplayer I already lost hope in that aspect. Hopefully things change, but I’ll still continue to play the game.
They've realised Skate 4 is probably going to be massive and have basically given up caring. That's my feeling.
I was a pretty active user in that discord, I was looking forward to this update and checked the discord to see if anyone else was, and it was all gone, they just deleted almost all of the discord, that hurt a lot, i enjoyed it so much with all the little challenges the community there held, the spot of the week, someone doing a cool diy spot and then a ton of other people trying it out too, just all gone, there wasn't even any warning of the change, they just did it like, an hour or so before the DLC dropped, i will say there was quite a bit of criticism and negativity but it was definitely out of love, folks who had been here since the very first announcement, the very first Kickstarter build, just incredibly passionate people that wanted this game to do well and be great, just all that support down the drain, the way this was handled was, imo, very poorly done, and I'm very glad that you're talking about it, this kind of thing shouldn't go unnoticed, especially when a major aspect of skateboarding, fakeskate especially, is the community
Prague dlc is solid. Loving the new build pieces and bug fixes.
watched a video about the DLC, seen sticker art clearly made by ai... all passion from the devs, if there was any left, is gone for good now.. they'll just wrap it up, milk it a little longer and focus on their new game, which btw they also announced today (it's a secret project as of yet, but not a skateboarding related game).
People buying all these DLC in hopes the money goes into fixing Session, and they reveal "a new game" LMAO what a joke.
@@almightyIrie They're all grifters. Soon you'll see Session banners at skate contests
stop paying for dlcs man, just get modded maps. stop supporting this mess.
I bought this game in it's current state knowing what I was getting. I've bought every dlc with the same mind set. They're delivering on what I pay for.
I think one thing you didnt touch on is that Donovan in the beginning was a big part of the Discord, always in there chatting, sharing info, posting videos of upcoming features, etc. Then suddenly around 1.0 he just straight up left the Discord, and was focused only on the Twitter/Instagram portion. And now suddenly hes back to managing the Discord, at the very same time the Discord was nuked.
He was a prick that hated anyone with a differing opinion. I remember him getting pissed at Milky once cause he dissagreed with true stance.
Easy Day and Crea-ture are fighting for last place
Actually not that bad, confirmation of better animations, more boards/cosmetics and free content is pretty awesome
I think people need to keep talking about this stuff and making new players aware
I know how bad things have been as a long time player but I genuinely feel bad imagining a new player buying the game just to discover this stuff after the fact
thanks for the video
Thank you for the ending note! agree love to all & love the fakeskate passion and community. 🖤 Keeping hopes up for the future of skate games!
For them to say they don't support modding shows how utterly out of touch they are with their own game and the community around it! Modding is what gives games exposure and can spark a renewed interest that brings in a surge of new and older players.
Dont be hateful towards the developers. Definitely try to be kind, articulated and respectful when talking with them. Great point
It is definitely a mess at the moment
Before the game came out they literally said “we want you to mod our game” now they’re saying “We don’t promote modding our game” yeah I give up I had hope for session like a lot like 90% of me believed it would be a great game, now it’s at 0
it's so confusing, can't find anything that the bug fixes seem to have broken in the half hour or so i jumped on to play, so why the timing for gutting the discord? they could've just had a really well-received update that people were happy with if donovan would've just logged off and not gone on a power trip lol
I joined this discord like 2-3 days ago, I thought they revoked access for me saying I couldn’t wait for Skate to come out because I’d probably stop playing Session due to the no multiplayer thing where it is completely doable, overall idek why I joined the “Server” now, if you can even call it that, cheers for the video mate.
It's definitely not completely doable. If they did do it they would HAVE to lock the stats menu. Which would suck and would not be worth it. I'd rather it stay single player.
@@cyclopsentertainment517 Then they shouldn’t have promised it on the Kickstarter page for it.
The fact that you can download a perfectly emulated mod of Downtown LA from SkaterXL into Session but the developers just released a half finished Prague map for $8 tells me everything I need to know about Creature studios.
Until Skate. comes out and they have actual competition they will continue to do the community dirty. People make excuses for them because they love the game but it's just laziness and greed in my opinion.
Did anyone go to their site and see the unannounced game they’re working on? Looks like a dark fantasy type genre.
You said it right the first time… the discord was just a place for people to talk about how much they hate the game and voice their complaints to the devs. That’s why you said that one first, and the thing about “it was a place for the community to just kinda hang out” second. AND this is what happens when all you do is bitch and moan about a game in their discord. Maybe if people had just been more accepting of the hard work that already went into making the game, they wouldn’t have shut it down 🤷🤷
And i'm gonna say this again, "where's vert?"
as someone who's played since 2018 the multiplayer thing has ground my gears for a LONG time. Post kickstarter and pre-1.0 there wasn't a doubt in anyone's mind that multiplayer would EVENTUALLY be implemented into the game and it seemed like there was this HARD SHIFT once the pre-1.0 animation overhaul came into play (I think it was update 0.0.0.8?) so I never felt the "multiplayer was never an intended feature during development" we would see in comment sections and on servers held weight. Also a goofy skater so. I've done my waiting!!!! /hj
One of the reasons why I quit gaming. SkaterXL was the final nail in the coffin. Here's how to never be disappointed:
“Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.” - Matthew 11:29-30
they dont support modding because it takes away from them being able to charge for basic bs DLC they charge for that a modder prob has already made and done it better.
Wait, isn't the game already using Unreal 4? Correct me if I'm wrong, but when UE5 was first revealed, didn't they say something about it being easy for studios to upgrade from 4 to 5?
The way they said they plan on adding more free maps and/or content on an annual basis makes it sound like it's a once a year type of thing.
Is losing discord really that big of a deal? I mean, there is a subreddit that everyone could migrate to. Just sayin'.
Yep it’s on UE4 currently but because the physics engine on UE5 is different they would probably have a lot of problems that would outweigh the benefits
The Discord being gone is a big deal to everyone that used it on a daily basis, posted messages and clips that are now gone forever. Not everybody uses Reddit nor is it a place you can just openly chat and have a live conversation with the community. It’s just not the same.
@@itspigeonthief Believe it or not it's damn near a copy paste and tweak to fix. They just don't want to do it. Really sad.
fingers crossed for skate 4
Okay so clearly they nuked the chats because of the very real backlash they're about to get as people realize the UE5 update is no longer coming. You know, the thing they froze development of the game for over a year to do. And apparently now they're starting over development from the same point the game was when it got bought out by Nacon. Hell, between this and all the bullshit they did with KT Racing and the release of Test Drive Unlimited Solar Crown, Nacon (and other French publishers) are now officially in my shitlist forever.
And well, now we can choose between:
-a skate sim game that never fulfilled it's potential, doesn't support modding, and doesn't get updated or communicate with it's community
or
-a skate sim game that never fulfilled it's potential, doesn't support modding, and doesn't get updated or communicate with it's community
and potentially some microtransaction filled fomo-inducing slop from EA when Skate 4 releases. Great.
Well modded skater XL is great, but of course that's modded and we're talking about the devs here
On the discord they said UE5 was dropped because everything in the UE4 version was built around PhysX and UE5 uses a different physics engine (Chaos), but they would have known this immediately when trying to migrate over to the new engine, if not before. It's well documented.
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The whole scenario now reads like a BS excuse for why they haven't updated the core game for such a long time. It does not take a year to figure out the core physics and trick system are not going to work and they'd basically have to redo everything from scratch. It wouldn't even take a week. Probably a day for anyone competent who has any knowledge of Unreal at all. It was all a gigantic ruse to continue selling DLC while ignoring the core game that needed work.
wait so the real donovan strain is apart of the game development? thats insane
yup the man himself
@@itspigeonthief no wonder malto beat his ass in that unsanctioned batb
I literally just bought the game too and all this drama happens.
Aka the only free maps we will get is from paid brand deals like the ninja turtles which will then get deleted from the game within a year.
The Discord ¨revamp" is a clear message and in my opinion is unjustifiable, but the worst thing is the UE5 announcement. I don't care about the reason behind their choices, if a company/team/whatever makes a big announcement and then get cold feet, it isn´t trustworthy. Announcements should me made AFTER a proper evaluation in terms of resources, abilities, time, etc.
That said, I like the game and I appreciate the bug fixes very much. I won't buy any map though, they can keep them.
As long as they fix the bounce....
it really does seem fixed, no idea why they chose to shift focus from a pretty major bug fix to their godawful community management lol
@@MadDgtl as hard core fans of the game as you can see in our content, all that matters is the game itself. And we're grateful for all these hours of joy/frustration they provided so far. Big respect for the studio, and the community and the content creators. Hoping for the best. BTW, yes, the bounce seems nicely fixed, and the satisfaction meter through the roof !
Easy Creature Day Studios
Look i could kinda be okay with them not adding vert and it being a solely street skating game, what i cannot understand though is how vert is not considered a core mechanic at this point like yall send me to fdr and make me do this shit in the story ffs...at that point you have made it a core mechanic if you like it or not.
They can't figure out transitions at all. We still can't drop in on a qtr and they still won't fix trick labels.
Man , when dev's do this shit, it makes me kinda hate them and never want to play their game again. It happened with Witcher 3. On the dev's discord i asked why another guy got banned so i wouldnt do it , And they banned me for asking. I had just joined and had no idea what was going on. So consequently it made me hate the Witcher3, i can kinda play it now without the problem. Never made it past the tower where the rats ate the lady with the guy with the mask and Keira Metz and the ghost lamp thing. I guess i should play it now.
Malevolence hoodie 🙂↕️🤝
So glad I left the fake skate scene see yall in skate 4 lmao
Kickstarter stuff became null/void when nacon bought them out. They told us themselves but cant go find it because they nuked the chat😅
Munkhead is a cool guy
All this talk about unreal engine, we living in the fucking unreal engine with all this wacky crap that can easily be avoided
bro what if life itself is the unreal engine
Did you just "literally 1984"
we getting Orwellian up in this bitch
this is hilarious given the fact that you can still make your character FALL OVER by trying to push mongo lmao
Pigeon mustache 😂
But the reason the community is ticked off is because of them not engaging properly, half truths and false hopes. Its not the game itself, the way the devs handles the games progress and its community. We enjoy the game and want it to be the best it can but they show us otherwise. Sucks nacon bought them out and we are here, but maybe without it wouldnt have gotten this far or even 1.0. Wish munkhead would explain what was gonna make it a fire year since it all burnt down😂
Nacon buyout officially killed the game…. Don’t get me wrong imma still play it but this will defo have a stain in the whole thing…. Now we all gotta live with what we got in the game it is NOW. IRL Map releases and fixing bugs in current UE is fine by me
i don't see the big deal discord is a clusterfuck always has been i think ppl are just overthinking it i mean it is just a game after all and from a business standpoint you can see why they don't support mods give ppl an inch an they'll take a mile there just reigning it back in and cleanin it up abit. i try and give benefit of the doubt
I too like to give the benefit of the doubt but it can only go so far. The Discord meant a great deal to a lot of the community so I think people are rightfully upset.
Most of the game mechanics were talked in there.
Such a thing the game for itself failed to do repeatdly, even after an overhaul tutorial for onboarding new players.
The search bar overthere was a gold mine for the dedicated. You could search for topics, even for usernames (like old devs etc).
Their problem is that a Q&A model doesn't provide serendipidity (as a mean to discover things you could not think of about the game). We really can ask only about what we know... kinda paradoxal.
And that's not even talking about memories lost forever
If these developers stopped releasing half baked games modders wouldn’t have to do what they do.
yea well they basically just said have fun we riped yall off
I actually think supporting mods can be very healthy for games, especially games like this where there is so much potential for cool stuff to be created. It keeps long time players interested while the additional content is more enticing for people considering the game. I get that it could impact the sales of DLC, but if it done well they could increase the size of the player base and still release DLC, if it is good people will still buy it, increase the longevity of the game and make more money over all.
Well the "community" is total shit anyway... I'd close that Discord too. Nothing but complaining and straight up attacking in every single comment. The studio is dropping a cool map now and then and that's that, live with it or move on. A game doesn't owe you anything
I mean, you can totally still just chat in the question threads. It's still a chat app. You can't get around that. It's how Discord works.
I'm done playing this game
The UE5 update could kill the game. The UE4.27 mods would ALL break and years of hard work from the modding community would disappear in a second.
I don't think a UE5 "upgrade" makes sense for Session.
The games player retention relies too much on user created content (like all other extreme sports games)
You dont have to update and someone would surely make a previous state mod to revert those changes and keep the game in UE4.
@@panzer00 Steam would force the update though
@@spht9ng people do it on skyrim. There are ways to avoid it
Yet they publicly do not condone modding whatsoever now, they truly do not give a fuck about mods, even if the majority of the community do, all they seem care about is selling DLC.
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They admit the reason why they gave up on UE5 was the different physics engine, PhysX is not supported in UE5 and that's what everything in UE4 Session is designed around. They would have had to rebuild everything from scratch, and they had to know this right away, but the kept up the lie to excuse their lack of doing any improvements to Session during this whole time while trying to sell DLC maps.
While the result of switching to UE5 would have hurt the mod community, that is absolutely not why they dropped it. If anything it probably was more enticing because there wouldn't be any mods (until modders like yourself figured out how to unlock modding for the new game, and convert and update maps for it, etc) so they would have been able to sell a lot more DLC. They were probably salivating at the opportunity for paid maps and cosmetics to be the one and only option for new content.
i play session on switch its fun, but sad that we aren´t going to get any updates. Was expected, nintendo system is a bit limited. Skater XL is an option, it as multiplayer, but the rest is not that great. Lets wait and see were Creature goes whit this.
At this point they should just SALE THE ENTIRE game to a REAL development company that has the money and team to take the game to the next level 🤷🏾♂️ if you guys are so satisfied with the realism to the fact that you ignore every other.flaw in the game it’ll get old soon trust me
Just left that wack server asap. 💀
You look like Tim Pool. Just placed this here for the algo
never wearing a black beanie ever again
@@itspigeonthief i’m honestly sorry man 😂 but maybe you’ll get some of that russian $$$ 😂
So you can sue them I talked to my lawyer and yes you can sue them for soooooo many things and it can really hurt the company
We don’t want to hurt the company, there is some really good guys there whose livelihoods depend on it. We just want our voices heard and the game to get better.
they can't support mods if people keeping modding in brands that crea-ture studios hasn't acquired a license to use. if they didn't want to support mods they wouldn't, as in you would not be able to mod it at all.
Man the game feels great but its so over for Skate Sim. What are they developing if not mulitplayer and new vert tricks?
If the game stays like this theres 0 hype, i want to skate with my friends. Like okay keep your game a singleplayer sandbox mode im gonna go play Skate or Descenders Next or CarX or even Minecraft where theres multiplayer.
Like on the list of things to do Skate Sim is not one of them for most of us atm. I can rapid fire name probably 40 games id easily rather play than Session 90% of the time.
If it stays SP it would need a goliath open map or a huge campaign overhaul or something astronomically insane to get people playing consistently, just add multiplayer it would get so much replayability id play it every day. They could monetize a fuckin beanie or some shit and make bank and everyone will want to show it off.
Go skate with your friends then? Multi-player would be impossible unless they lock everyone's physics to the same settings. And I hope they never waste their time adding more stupid campaign missions. It's a simulator not a game.
почему не могут сделать нормальный слайд на кинговом рейле? ) когда проходишь кинг - подлетаешь ... что за херня ))
And they direct us to social media so you can get blocked /hidden/bannes their as well. They take criticism as attacks😂
Inputs are junk still. I'm only pulling down my back foot to lock into a grind but my other stick does whatever it wants. Trash game, trash company.
This saddens me
I never joined this discord before it was wiped
And no switch updates 😔
I could see how transitioning to a newer engine would be tedious to do. But I'm not a developer either. Just speculation. Maybe it was too broken or they just don't want them have to take alot of time to perfect it.
If it's not broken don't fix it mindsets?
Ngl the toxic people are needed though needa get it through they heads💀devs not doin a thing
No multiplayer is a L aswell once skate comes out I’m already knowin session is not havin no players fr
@@yooomarie I've played Skate playtest and the gameplay sucks. I don't have any faith in them to make it good. I just fingerboard because all the fake skate games are not improving.
W pigeon and kiiba
My Guy ❤🔥
We got ur back bro
I felt that video last night bruh!
Actually wild
also a new update released today if im not wrong
yup, got a video on it coming later
We knew UE5 wasn't coming. This was confirmed a couple of months ago via the the devs on discord. Kiiba made a video on it...Good try, though! haha! .
Not everyone knew, they never confirmed it directly in a statement like this before, just look at the comments, it’s new info to most people.
@@itspigeonthief You're not wrong...I know...but, the info we got was way too specific to just be "rumors"...and it came from a dev. I also think that, "You heard it here first" kinda rubbed me the wrong way. My bad...Kiiba tends to get the short end of the stick for everything he brings to the community. I meant no disrespect...
Wtf 1:43
still better than skater XL
Who givs a shit..look how long it took them to fix the bounce glitch..its not like they cared about what people said anyway..😂
The multiplayer excuse is such a joke. The “ physics wouldn’t work” is such bullshit. Just say you guys don’t know how to do it and hire some one to do it. If rocket league can figure out the physics of a bouncing ball with 3-6 people at a time multiplayer in a skateboarding game can be done. Sounds to me like this is the end of development. They’ll maybe put the updated goofy animations in but I doubt it. Well maybe see one or 2 more maps and these guys will move on. Shame.
Well in rocket league everyone has the same physics. In session everyone can have completely different physics.
Yeah but what are we gonna do? Go back to playing Skater XL? No thanks.
Sounds like our game is just like free speech in our new world…it’s dead
Seriously why dont they add missions with new maps ? So boring
Douches
"The Session: Skate Sim Devs Just Destroyed Their Community..."
NOOOOOOOOO oh please god say this aint true and just clickbait
oh its true alright
@@asjbfjbkaw yeah it is unfortunately 😞 i dont like clickbait but i rly hoped it was
Yeah this game has truely been a major let down and it is still not a fully flushed out game at this point. I feel like it has something to do with Nacon. Never trust a major game studio to have the same vision as an independent cause they are only in it for the money and not the love. But yeah I’ve played for soooo long, since the demo released on Xbox and I’ve had hope that they would eventually fix everything wrong but at this point it’s just not going to happen and that’s sad. I mean how do you not have more character customization, and not the shit you get in the new dlc that’s all lame as fuck. How do they STILL not have an animation for dropping the board like these are such basic things.
Sup my g
damn your quick
@@itspigeonthiefur one of my favs
Tbh, I don’t know why people want multiplayer so bad and I hope the devs don’t waste resources on it
I remember once time in comments the only hope we has with the significant change its in the multiplayer annouciment. Now we finally get the menssage and now we know there's no hope. As consummer of this game i since the early acsses never was engaged and trully commited. I understand some comments are just attacks but its a minoriy of the community. This attitude dont helps and i bet the minory will increased until have a moment they will block the comments. Its a shame a scam and a disapointment. Hope the people dont stop for search better results.
my hate-watch finally worked this game have to die for the love of skate games
Lmao why I stopped playin this game months ago glad I did
Lmao do you need a cookie?
@@leovitali8200bro why are so many people riding for this game online the devs are spitting on u
Game is so bad bro I don’t get why people give it praise , skate 3 has more mechanics and style and it’s 10 year old game 😂😂😂
@@TherandomguyTV you’re playing it for the wrong reasons and one man’s trash is another treasure. You must be dumb or just young. They’re completely different play style. One is arcade one is simulation. Can’t compare that aspect
@@TherandomguyTVobviously the game is not good but you can’t compare the two, one is on arcade and one is a sim…
Bruh people are so entitled. Everyone needs to grow up and just enjoy the game.
Lol. And stop bitching about multi-player.
You sound like the entitled one demanding everyone should act the way you tell them too.
@jayskate6631 you mean wanting people to be reasonable? That's not entitled lol
im officially giving up on session.. HOWEVER not giving up on Pigeonthief!! Wish you luck! 🙏
Told you session sucks fck that game
We've been disrespected for so long now that some of us start to be disrespectful - and these people are the problem now?? COMON!
but yea, bottom line i can just repeat what i wrote under another video of yours a while ago...
"@almightyIrie
3 months ago
Nacon killed the game, and with that they kinda killed cre-ature as well. IMHO it's that simple, and obviously unbelievably sad."
EDIT: The fact they been hyping up the UE5 engine was either just a publicity stunt (knowing UE5 was all the hype when they announced they'd be switching as well) or utter and complete incompetence on the devs side... Like, as a dev, you know the engine's trait before announcing you're gonna work with it? Like, they just said "yea we gonna go UE5" without knowing what UE5 actually is?? That's really, REALLY, low tbh..
Still the best skat parsing game on market. I don’t see the issue.