@@TheZephyrsWind it’s not even them messing up. This is 100% playing favorites. How can you say destroying a glass pane half the size of a star is star level? It was like a ceramic plate it was thin and had almost **no** mass
Ok, so here's all you need to know in order to debunk the conclusion of this Death Battle. 1. Omniman did not destroy the Viltrum home world. At least not by himself. First, the planet was shot with an infinitely powerful gun called the "Infinity Ray" which is a gun that shoots rays that can not be stopped by anything. They will blow through anything that they hit and keep going forever. So the planet was shot through by the infinity ray, and THEN Nolan, Thaddeus (another viltrumite) and Invincible (yet another viltrumite) all flew through the gaping wound in the planet made by the infinity ray, destroying it. In actual fact, the infinity ray did most of the damage. The 3 viltrumites just finished it off. And the planet only exploded into large chunks, it was not vaporized or turned to dust. If I'm being generous, the infinity ray did 70% of the damage and the other 30% was split between the 3 viltrumites. 2. Both Master Roshi (in Dragonball) and Piccolo (in Dragonball Z) vaporized the moon. Roshi, with a presumed power level of around 125 powered up a bit (possibly to 400 or 500) and used a Kamehameha to vaporize the moon in order to help a werewolf turn back into a human. Later, in DBZ, while Piccolo was training Gohan, Piccolo casually and instantaneously vaporized the moon without even shooting a beam at it. He literally gestured his hand towards it and yelled "BE GONE!" and it exploded into dust out of fear I guess. Piccolo had a power level of around 300 at the time and did not power up at all. 3. The ability to vaporize the Earth's moon is more than enough energy to destroy a planet. It is even enough energy to cause catastrophic damage to large planets. 4. King Vegeta, with a power level of 10k, casually blew up multiple planets with the wave of a hand. Again, without powering up. Imagine what he could have done with a little effort. A power level of 10k is easily solar system busting levels. 5. DBZ power levels are not linear. A person with a power level of 1,000 is not twice as strong as a person with a power level of 500. They are more like 5x or 10x stronger. We see on planet Namek that as Vegeta got more and more powerful, his power level being only 10% higher than his opponent was enough to allow him to dominate them like they were helpless children. So Bardock having a base power level of 10k, makes him at least hundreds of times more powerful than either Roshi or Piccolo were when they casually destroyed the moon. And even if you want to insist that power levels are linear, then he is still at least 30x stronger than he needs to be to destroy a planet all by himself, while Omniman needed the help of two other viltrumites and an infinitely powerful super weapon to crack a planet into large pieces. If you put all of that together, it becomes clear that Bardock wouldn't even need to go Super Saiyan in order to beat Omniman with ease.
Roshi didn't destroy the moon to turn a werewolf normal it was to stop Goku from turning oozaru he used krillen's head plus hypnosis later on to trick him into thinking krillen's head was a moon to transform the wolf man back to normal
And for Omni mans durability, Viltrumites have a weakness to High temperatures and remember that time when he got knocked out by war woman? By death battles scaling, war women should be able to destroy anything as large as a star with a single swing 💀
@@Yoojeintell me when Bardock has ever been able to pull off fighting on the surface or in the sun without immediately disintegrating. Tell me ANY DBZ character on Bardock’s level that has pulled off that feat of durability lol. Call it non canon, but even Final form Cooler burned up upon entry to the sun. Js
This is exactly how people should be making debunk videos not hate no arguing about irrelevant feats or powers just a disagreement about a feat or too being legit great video
*Hits dislike* Why would you make me do this?! You're calculating just to watch everyone call you wrong! Think Death Battle! You'll outlast every fragile insignificant Vs Series on the Internet! You'll live to see Smash Bracket, Debate Club, even Cartoon Fight Club crumble to dust and blow away! Everyone and everything you know will be gone!
I actually did what you said and this is what it spat out. While it underplays both characters I'd say it had more of an accurate reading than what Death battle stated in some things. Physical Strength and Power Bardock is a lower-class Saiyan warrior, but Saiyan biology provides a major advantage: Zenkai, a trait that increases their strength after surviving near-fatal injuries. While Bardock doesn’t reach the power levels of mainline characters like Goku or Vegeta, he still demonstrates incredible power feats, especially when empowered by his anger and battle instincts. In Dragon Ball: Episode of Bardock, Bardock even achieves Super Saiyan, significantly increasing his power and speed, though this story isn’t strictly canon in all Dragon Ball material. Omni-Man, as a Viltrumite, has massive strength that can match planetary forces, as seen throughout Invincible. His durability and strength allow him to overpower most opponents and devastate large cities effortlessly. His Viltrumite biology enables him to survive in space, heal from significant injuries, and live for thousands of years, increasing his battle experience and resilience. Omni-Man is also ruthless, often using lethal tactics without holding back. Speed and Agility In terms of speed, Bardock has a huge advantage if we assume his power level is comparable to Saiyans from the Dragon Ball Z era. Saiyans can fly faster than light under certain conditions and teleport with advanced techniques (though Bardock himself doesn’t typically show this level of speed in canon). Still, Bardock’s reaction speed is extremely high, especially in combat. Omni-Man, while fast, doesn’t reach light-speed levels in the Invincible canon. He is quick enough to circle the planet in moments and can fly through space, but his speed in combat is relatively lower than a Saiyan’s at their peak. This may put him at a disadvantage in evading Bardock’s energy blasts and rapid-fire attacks. Combat Skill and Experience Both characters have extensive combat training. Bardock has been a warrior his entire life, participating in the Saiyan conquests, which gives him extensive experience in hand-to-hand combat. While he’s a lower-class warrior in the Saiyan hierarchy, he’s a skilled fighter known for his resilience and tactics, especially in desperate situations. Omni-Man, however, has centuries of battle experience. As a Viltrumite, he was part of an empire that conquers entire planets, honing his fighting skills against countless species and adapting his combat style to overcome diverse alien powers. His experience is broader than Bardock’s, although not necessarily at the same level of intensity as Bardock’s day-to-day battles as a Saiyan. Energy Projection Bardock has an edge in energy projection. He can fire energy blasts and has shown the ability to concentrate ki into powerful attacks, a common Dragon Ball fighting technique. His energy blasts can be devastating, especially if he reaches Super Saiyan form. Omni-Man doesn’t have energy projection abilities, limiting him to physical attacks. This could be a critical disadvantage, as he’d need to close in on Bardock to engage, exposing him to Bardock’s ranged attacks. Durability and Healing Bardock has strong durability and can withstand intense attacks, but he’s not invulnerable and has been shown to be injured by powerful enemies. In the Dragon Ball series, Saiyans have significant stamina but lack Omni-Man’s Viltrumite healing capabilities. Omni-Man’s durability and healing are outstanding. His body can withstand atmospheric re-entry and powerful explosions, and he heals from grievous wounds rapidly. Even if Bardock damages him, Omni-Man would likely recover faster than Bardock could. Outcome Bardock’s advantage in speed and energy projection would allow him to keep Omni-Man at a distance and bombard him with powerful energy attacks. This approach would likely wear down Omni-Man’s defenses, especially if Bardock manages to go Super Saiyan. Omni-Man’s main chance would be in close combat, where his strength and experience could give him an edge, but Bardock’s energy projection would prevent Omni-Man from getting in close easily. Given Bardock’s speed, energy projection, and ability to push his limits in combat, Bardock has the upper hand. Although Omni-Man has immense durability and combat experience, Bardock’s energy-based combat style and superior speed give him enough of an edge to eventually overwhelm Omni-Man. Final Verdict Bardock wins with high difficulty, using his ranged attacks, speed, and Saiyan battle instinct to wear down and ultimately overpower Omni-Man, especially if he taps into Super Saiyan abilities.
On the topic of sharing details, I'm also confused on the thickness of the disk. Assuming their diameter size of 596million meters is correct, that totals to an area of about 2.79*10^15m. In order to get to that 1.08*10^24 volume size, the disk would need to have a thickness of 400million meters. That's almost as much as the diameter, which honestly to me doesn't make much sense. You can reasonably scale SSJ Bardock to First Form Frieza for 4 reasons. 1 is the gap wasn't too big already, it's not even a 1.1x difference. 2 is that frieza put 0 effort into his destruction of Vegeta attack (which apparently was calculated to obliterate a star in Frieza vs Megatron). 3 is that with a Power Level of just 250k, Vegeta was forcing Frieza to put in effort. And 4 is that you could argue Bardock got a zenaki buff after either a. Fighting the Frieza force soldiers or b. Fighting chilled (and hypothetically recovering from it).
Freiza destroying Planet Vegeta with a finger is the equivalent of the world's strongest man pushing a bottle with his finger. It's barely an inconvenience.
@@SCARLET_DEMON-KING_OF_DARKNESS Just to drive the point home, Even if we assume that Nolan DOES have the power Death Battle claims he has, He would will pale in comparison to Bardock. A sun is typically 100 times the size of the earth, King Vegeta Destroyed 2 (Two of 3 were small ones so lets downplay a little), With a 50 times multiplier to THAT we have a Bardock who can destroy the sun without effort, Much like King Vegeta doing the same to the planets.
A power level of 500,000 is crazy. To think about it dbz terms because master roshi blew up the moon with a power of like 250. Literally vaporized it. And dbz characters shoot these lightspeed attacks at each other all the time using ki control. So they are tanking planet busting lasers all the time and dishing them out. How did that not scale to bardocks Durability?
@@ben69028 It.....did? If you mean why Bardock didn't survive Freiza, It was because Bardock at base is only 10,000 and 100,000 in Great Ape. Freiza was 5 times his power level, And keep in mind Vegeta managed to utterly decimate Cui thanks to a 10% difference in power.
Im not sure what versuon they y used for hulk but hes nigh immortal and is like the dark embidiment of god. Has swapped hands with gods. I love db but broly gets whacked
@Jxpin666 Nolan can't tank a hit from the infinity ray (that's space racers gun right) it's in his books as a weapon to kill viltrumites. His weapon is his fists and key blasts that do what the infinity ray did but better.
@Jxpin666"punches" dude was on the brink of death getting beaten down by mountain leveled fodders. Bardock is way stronger than immortal and war woman who both made omniman bleed and solely lost due to supidity. And ki blasts that have the range to destroy a planet?
Basically Omniman was 3 times what he should of been put at with the planet feat and the Solar Disk being shoe horned in last minute despite it not even existing at the time of the statement and getting the equation wrong while Bardock was handled well in terms of scaling and was also shoe horned in Super Saiyan. So basically divide calcs for Omniman by 3 (ignoring the Sun Disk feat) and Bardock by 5 and you got an accurate matchup
Frieza at 530k casually vaporized planet vegeta and in coolers revenge, the attack was shown swallowing another nearby planet. Ssj bardock is 500k lol he's destroying omniman
Less than 3x. The planet was shot with an infinitely powerful gun and THEN omniman and two other dudes flew through it. The gun did most of the damage. Omniman contributed maybe 10%.
@@KurNorock they took the brunt of the impact and continued to maintain the speed all the way through the planet. What kills you, the gun or the bullet? It the bullet
Considering the greatest of all Viltrumites (who killed Nolan) was ultimately defeated by being thrown into a sun, I think it's fair to say that SSJ Bardock (being near-equal to Frieza) could easily output a ki blast strong enough to not only kill Nolan, but completely obliterate him. Given the speed advantage on top of that, Bardock would wipe the floor with him.
Earth in DB is generally considered to be bigger than our own, so energy calcs are generally off. (Exact numbers vary by source & calc) Earth at the same time is considered a small planet, meaning that 'average' planets will be way bigger, which could put King Vegeta's hand wave at a way more destructive level. Earth being bigger than ours, might also have a bigger moon; boosting Roshi's & Piccolo's early feats as well.
They didn't even do the math right within their own internal logic. Thier calculations used the Bardock that fought lord Chilled, but they gave him the power level he had at the beginning of the Bardock special. They didn't take into account that by the end of that he at minimum scaled to Dodoria from the zenkai boost he got halfway through the special. His base power level is more than twice the amount they used for it.
they DO hate dragonball, but they use it as a golden goose to gain attention back by making blatantly wrong battles to get people to debunk them and get views from that
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At base I believe they’re in the same ball park, I’ll even argue Nolan would be smart enough to attack the tail to disable great ape, but smart atoms are not adapting to bardocks punches on top of his ki blasts, mark and thragg both had their smart atoms overwhelmed when they were brawling on the sun
@Jxpin666 that’s untrue there are just as many occasions of them being more durable, I’ll even reference vegeta like you You remember how he survived being blasted by a kamehameha equal to his own galick gun? And he was pissed, returning to the fight, only to be blasted by a spirit bomb, only to get MORE pissed and come back again The revival of F statement is inconsistent and an anti feat at best since nothing as dumb has happened before or since And you just acknowledged that omni man has lower AP, so bardock is faster, and has higher AP, sounds like a matchup that omniman would take way more than he could give in, viltrumites are slower, and weak to multiple damage sources at once, ki is hot otherwise it wouldn’t vaporize people, big heat plus stronger punch than his own = bad for Nolan
They did mention that Conquest was able to destroy a coalition ship, I found a scan of that, but they also said the coalition ship can tank it's own beams which I've yet to find a scan for but if that's true then it might give omni man more valid scaling
While I disagree with the video, this is genuinely one of the most fair disagreements ever. Like BlackScape's OmniDock debunk started off with him admitting he hasn't read invincible. This one at least is most similar to the actual debate on vs threads, where most people think its close. Very refreshing compared to every Twitter or Reddit comment section getting upset being from people who clearly haven't watched the video.
What do you mean you disagree? Omni-man would punch Bardock and break his hand. Omni-man needed two other viltrumites and another moon-level attack to just barely NOT DIE while blowing up a weakened planet. King Vegeta casually waived his hand and blew up three whole planets. Bardock is so far beyond Omni-man the matchup isn't even fair.
@@gogeta667 the planet had to weakened because otherwise the heat of the core would kill them, this is consistent with the Star thing, intense heat hurts them hard
To be honest, they downplay on Dragon Ball characters for many years they don’t care, but I’m also glad that at least that they put Bardock faster than the speed of light which all dragon ball characters are
the problem is base bardock stomps since he's a planet buster with a power lvl of 10k then add monkey which is a 10x multiplier is overkill then bardock was allowed super sayian which is 50x he'd just spatter against bardock before anything happened then get destroyed by a ki blast afterwards
It's not about the gaff but the size of gaff as well as the quantity of gaffs. Something that blocks the sun's light does not make it star level. Large objects do not make them durable objects. Comparing 1 individual destroying 3 planets with ease to 3 individuals destroying 1 planet with high difficulty is no where near remotely equal. Saying something is ineffective at doing something does not mean a thing surpasses it. A 🔨 is very ineffective to killing a 🪰, but that does not mean the 🪰 is beyond 🔨 level. So much of their logic is nonsensical at best & outright insulting at worse.
Like they did bring up interesting feats that I didn't know about and makes Omni man and invincible as a verse stronger but this is just baffling that I can't stop talking about it
This is not the first time they do this with DB characters,its almost that they hold a grudge over them,because they always make them lose (one or two win) with stupid numbers that they pull of their asses,whats the point of making a "scientific research" if they do it wrong;i mean dood even in the comics omniman need the help of other two viltrumites to destroy a planet while king vegeta and other db characters can destroy one or more planets with beam powers (their excuse is the size of the planet and the ring surrounding it).
I get omni-man has never been shown to solo destroy a planet, but at least he's shown destroying one, bardock has never been shown or stated to do so, he's never been started to be stronger or as strong as king Vegeta, so just this evidence alone, how was bardock gonna win?
Because his power level is equal to king vegetas because it grew to 10,000 during his special episode. even without saying he's close in power to king vegeta, demon king piccolo is stated to be capable of destroying the earth with a power level of 230 and he is shown casual beating people who can casually destroy or create a moon. The difference between 230 and 10,000 is huge.
They also gave bardock ssj (ssj is a 50x boost so 50 x 10k is 500,000)so he would be around the same power and first form frieza ( friezas first form power level is 530,000), the same one who blew up a planet 10x larger than Earth with a single finger
Their scaling was so ass, they gave Bardock SSJ from the OVA then why not use the feats it let him do, like clapping that man Chilled who was on par with first form Freiza. And the Omniman planet busting feat was assisted by other Viltrumites, and lord have mercy the disk feat was wildly wanked. Omniman is maybe small planetary solo AT BEST. Bardock is multiplanetary, and leagues faster, no clue how they came to their conclusion. With that said the fight was super well animated, wish the analysis wasn't so ass cause this coulda been one of their best episodes.
Master roshi with a power level less than 139 blew up the moon within seconds to change goku back after he went oozaru. It was stated in a guide that roshi was capable of powering an entire star. Base bardock has a power level of 10,000. The highest durability level you can give omni man is less than star level if you give him the disc feat. Bardock can generate higer output and heat with his ki attacks than roshi. Ki attacks destroy things on a atomic level. It was said trunks reduced mecha frieza to atoms. Bardock can amp his strikes with his ki. He has faster combat and raw speed. Stat wise he scales to or above king vegeta in his base form. His ki attacks have massive range and aoe. Bardock can also get rage boosts and can grow and evolve as he fights and in battle. He has his oozaru form and was given his ssj form. Even if you take away the ssj form he would still have his oozaru form and base bardock is enough to beat omni man.
Bardock isn't compared to goku when it comes to power, he's actually compared to king Vegeta, meaning that Bardock is probably closer to base Vegeta than he is Goku. That doesn't change how you'd scale him too much, you'd just take what Goku does and then say "bardock could do this quite easily" Thought that does mean that super sayain barcok is much stronger than base Frieza is, or... It's very likely that he's much stronger than Frieza, even saying that his power level is 15k, that means he shoots up to 750k, making it so he prolly curb-stomps base Frieza. Therefore he has massively higher than star level AP, meaning, even with their stupidly high high-ball for Omni-man's durability, ssj Bardock slaps. Based on what we see in the invincible comic, Omniman is prolly like... Moon to small planet level at best, slower when you take filler into account, and any lead he might have had vanishes when Bardock slaps a 50 times multiplier on himself. I can't really speak on stamina tho, since the only actual fight I've seen is the very first one where he gets nearly smacked up by the super heros and is very winded. Which I feel like is another issue here. Those guys, while strong, don't read to me like star level threats, and with a little teamwork they were throwing omniman around a little and actually hurting him.
Really appreciate your input here. This is the first vid that I’ve seen that actually engages with the math & points that Death Battle presents. However, even with the discrepancies in the sun disc power scaling calc, I don’t think you’ve sufficiently proven that Bardock is stronger than Omniman is durable or that Omniman is weaker than Bardock is durable… which to me is the final determining factor in who wins the match. Tbf we’re all making assumptions regarding their power levels & feats, but much so notoriously with any DBZ character. Even with Bardock’s SS form scaling him close to Base form Frieza, I do believe he is still weaker. How negligible of a weakness or power difference is up for debate, but I still believe it’s substantial enough to note in regard to how well he’d fair against Omniman. And yes, we can equate planet Viltrum to a slightly smaller Jupiter, but we’re forgetting the fact that the ring around Viltrum is filled with billions of dead Viltrumite bodies that function as an added protective barrier around the planet. The implications of that regarding the durability of the average Viltrumite, let alone the way above average Omniman, are staggering. We’re also forgetting that most of DBZ characters we see thrown into the sun get obliterated almost instantly, while Invincible & Thragg were able to have a whole fight on the surface of the sun before succumbing to their wounds (honestly idk why Death Battle didn’t use that feat in their calculations lol). Do you honestly think Bardock (SS or base form) could withstand the sun while fighting someone of an equal or stronger power lvl? Is there anything in recorded Bardock lore that even substantiate his ability to do so? Just saying, I know there may be some wonky calculations that don’t hold up as well to scrutiny as we fans would like, but I’m not convinced that most of the naysayers of this battle are even engaging with this fight on that analytical of a level lol.
Does nobody ever even think about the fact that Toriyama drew a map of the dragon ball universe showing that it's much larger than our universe. The travel speed feats in dragon ball are basically always wildly underplayed to glaze some other asshole. There are a stupid number of characters and even whole verses that could stomp or no dif dragon ball but invincible is not one of them. Bardock is naturally talented with ki manipulation so his defensive abilities are so far above omniman that best case scenario Nolan dies on impact with bardock from the reverb. Worse case Bardock takes his time picking Nolan apart since viltrumities cannot get as strong as fast as Saiyans. Zen kai boosts which are sadly forgotten all too often are not linear power boosts and talented saiyans can take advantage of them while getting the shit kicked out of them as show cased by Broly in the super movie. Bardock has literally decades of experience fighting over Broly & natural talent with ki. Plus the king Vegeta planet destruction feat is a casual flick of the wrist as is shown so base Bardock is just stronger than 3 of the best viltrumities in existence by feats.
Even the lowest class saiyans like Raditz are casual planetbusters. Meanwhile, Omni-Man's planet busting feat was with the assistance of two other viltrumites and an orbital strike from their ships. Ain't no way Death Battle disrespected Bardock so much that Omni-Man beat him while he was a Super Saiyan. Bro would get slapped around by a single Saibaman. YAMCHA would beat Omni-Man's ass.
They give nolan the benefit of the doubt but there "researchers" didn't research that dr slump is canon in dbz earth in dr slump is 4 billion km long you need a powerlevel of 10k to destroy earth 10k x 50 =500k Bardock could destroy a 200 billion km large earth
It actually isnt. That was said by someone who's entire joke is that he is an idiot that says things that are wrong (his surname literally meaning idiot) and even so the earth in Slump and the one in db are diferents. The Penguin Island from db is just another versión of it n db. Also there is an interview in wich Toriyama says our earth is similar to his.There is a video titled along the lines of "the biggest lie in db scaling" that talks about it
King Vegeta destroys planets x3 by waving his hand vs Viltrumites x3 going all-in + Space Racer's insane gun to destroy a single planet. Death Battle: "This proves an individual Viltrumite is stronger than an individual Saiyan."
Once Again Death Battle uses non canon feats & filler along with literal fan theories for Dragon Ball Characters in their clear bias towards Dragon Ball. While the extremely toxic Dragon Ball Fanboys cry & rage in the comments about how they believe any Dragon Ball Character should never lose a fight in Death Battle. One by Feats Goku has been hurt by bullets and tagged by regular human thugs Super Saiyan Blue Goku has been nearly killed by a regular laser Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta killed by Planet Explosion Goku and Vegeta have been easily knocked out by a regular stun gun Krillin held his own against Super Saiyan Blue Goku in a beam struggle and Android 18 could knock away both of their attacks Krillin later gets defeated by an Android Bee called Hachimaru in DBS Chapter 91. Hachimaru was heavily damaged by Krillin using a standard police gun to shoot the Android Bee down. Then Hachimaru proceeded to defeat Krillin afterwards. Goku needs a specialized suit to go to the center of the Earth. Because the heat is too much for his body. Beerus even says that Bulma sent Goku on a very dangerous mission for him. In Dragon Ball Super Episode 68. Goku needed a specialized suit from Bulma to survive the high temperatures in the core of the Earth. Even Beerus says that the core of the Earth is a dangerous place for Goku. Even Goku says that he would die if he went into the Core of Earth. Two Dragon Ball Inconsistencies Three its stated by Android 16 that a nuclear bomb is enough to kill Cell. Cell was clearly afraid of the Nuclear Bomb. So was Goku. Beerus & Goku's fight 1. Old kai is far too unreliable. Old Kai debunks himself when he says the shockwaves are getting stronger as they travel further Yet the shockwaves reached the sacred world of the kais yet that world was fine. The sacred world of the kais is the furthest point and its outside the seventh universe. Old Kai also wasn't even sure himself if it was capable of destroying the universe. Old kai is the same person who thought kid buu was stronger than Beerus Old Kai also thought that Beerus was scared of his power so he sealed him away. Implying Beerus is weaker than him. 2. Narrator. The narrator is not omniscient like many claim to be. He says that Beerus went full power during his first battle with Goku He has even been wrong in the past by saying how Saiyan Saga Nappa is boundless And then the Narrator claims that Namek Saga Frieza is capable of destroying the universe Four Its completely out of character for Goku to destroy the Sun. One because he is a morally good guy. Two He wouldn't destroy the source of Superman's power because Goku loves a challenge. This is the same guy who gave Cell a senzu bean for the sake of a fair battle against his own son. Super Saiyan 2 is pretty much an asspull. There was no real foreshadowing, implication or mention of a new transformation. Yes there were mentions of improving the Super Saiyan Transformation. But Super Vegeta is exactly just that. An improvement of the original SSJ1 that Goku used on Namek. Goku saying Gohan is stronger than him doesn't mean that a new transformation has been foreshadowed or implied. And no, Super Saiyan 2 Gohan is not an improved version or an evolution of Super Saiyan Grade 2 Trunks. Super Saiyan 2 Gohan severely damaged Cell with one punch while Super Saiyan Grade 2 Trunks was unable to damage Cell even when his strongest attacks landed. Mystic was definitely an asspull. Guru already unlocked Gohan's hidden potential in the Namek Arc. Mystic Gohan made no sense. Super Saiyan 3. The Transformation Goku supposedly trained for in other world. But Goku conveniently felt no need to mention learning a new transformation in other world when he first arrives on Earth despite being the kind of person to brag about his fighting achievements nor did he use this powerful transformation against Majin Vegeta. Despite the entire world being at stake and Goku having no motivation to fight Vegeta at all. Then there is Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta becoming stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku through the power of love & friendship because Beerus smacked Bulma. Vegeta literally pulled Super Saiyan Blue Evolution out of his ass. When there is zero foreshadowing or hints that such a transformation was even possible and it was never mentioned beforehand. And no its not like Super Saiyan Grade 2. One we actually saw the Saiyans training for Super Saiyan Grade 2. Meanwhile we never saw Vegeta train Super Saiyan Blue Evolution at all. Super Saiyan Grade 2 wasn’t even much of a transformation. Super Saiyan Grade 2 was the equivalent of bulking up your muscle mass to achieve a temporary boost in Physical Strength but severely reducing your speed & agility. Meanwhile Super Saiyan Blue Evolution is a massive power boost & new transformation out of nowhere with no downsides & no training or effort required for it to work. Then there is the Super Saiyan Rage asspull. Trunks literally gets a massive power boost out of nowhere to defeat Zamssu by essentially throwing a temper tantrum. The Beast Gohan & Orange Piccolo Asspulls. Piccolo getting his potential unlocked through Dragon Balls is lazy writing. But when Gamma 2 clearly defeats Piccolo even after Piccolo has his Full Potential unlocked. Piccolo gets another Transformation out of nowhere, “Orange Piccolo”. Meanwhile Gohan sees Piccolo getting beaten up by Cell Max then pulls another Transformation out of his ass by throwing another temper tantrum. No foreshadowing or set up beforehand. The Ultra Instinct Transformation was an asspull. No real foreshadowing or set up for the transformation. Ultra Instinct was set up as a frame of mind that you have to learn and develop over time. It was never implied, foreshadowed or stated to be a new type of transformation. Yes Ultra Instinct is mentioned before the Tournament of Power. But as shown from Beerus using it during the battle between the Gods of Destruction. It was implied to be a special state of mind. A type of spiritual enlightenment. Instead "Ultra Instinct" is just an overglorified "Super Saiyan White" that Goku pulls out of his ass at the last minute. This isn't Goku developing a new state of mind through enlightenment or changing the way he fights or learning more about controlling his ki & instincts. This is Goku pulling a new Super Saiyan Transformation out of his ass when he is about to lose to Jiren. The Ultra Ego Asspull that was never foreshadowed or set up whatsoever. Then there is True Ultra Instinct. Another garbage asspull out of nowhere which further contradicts how Ultra Instinct was previously established to work. Using the Daizenshuu in arguments. Dragon Ball Often on WWW when arguing DB, people will bring up the Daizenshuu to source their arguments. The Daizenshuu is often mistaken for being written by Toriyama himself. The Daizenshuu was written by Watanabe Akinori. Toriyama's involvement with the Daizenshuu was mainly just interviews and snippets of information. Toriyama did say he approved of the Daizenshuu , but that's mostly just work appreciation. The problem I have with the Daizenshuu is that it contradicts itself and the manga. Some examples: 50% Freeza is said to have a PL of 60,000,000 in the Daizenshuu Freeza 50%: 60 million While base Goku is said to have 3,000,000. Versus Freeza: 3 million A KKX20 would be 60,000,000 yet Freeza blocked Goku's kamehameha with one hand. Daizenshuu 4 says that Kid Boo uses IT. Kid Boo uses Kai Kai in the manga. Nappa being at 4000 contradicts the manga. Nappa: 4,000 Once Nappa calms down Goku says that it could take a while to beat Nappa He also had to use the Kaioken just to catch up to Nappa.
It's funny how the invincible fanboys are saying dragonball Fans are toxic And cry about results, When it's not that, it's the literally a five year old can see who is stronger
So we’re just gonna ignore the fact the infinity ray destroyed a sun immediately but not the virtuamite planet. Honestly omniman needs to be rescaled cause the ray only destabilized the core it wasn’t capable of fully destroying it otherwise there wouldn’t be a need for omniman and the others to finish the job. The infinity ray can destroy a sun which is 100 times bigger than our planet and more durable and the planet survived a sun busting attack the lowest ball u could give omniman from this feat is large planetary
@@emanuelstornello8009 and worse we’re not adding the fact this isn’t the only sun the infinity ray destroyed it might had destroyed larger suns meaning virtulmite planet is far more durable then we’re letting out
@@maysen51that’s not a good comparison just because the star disc is able to destroy a star which is made out of completely different things than a planet maybe the star disc has something that only makes it able to destroy stars but not plenty’s like viltrum it’s quite simple tbh
@@maysen51it’s not that viltrum is more durable than we’re letting if it’s just that the star disc laser has elements that makes it able to destroy stars but not necessarily planets which is a good assumption because a star and a planet are made out of different things
DBZ fabs cant comprehend this. Destroying a planet cnat be compared to destroying a star, Sorry, untill Cell was blowing himself up, no one was near the star level. Saying "Frieza blowing up Vegeta is a dwarf star feat" is like saying "Look, at me break this glass of water.... from this you can assume I am able to destroy this entire city".
If your on about me then I am not sure since the Physical energy needed to create an explosion that big would be like Dwarf Star level in AP but death battle put the explosion at Star level AP in their Megatron Vs Freezer Video so I don’t really think it it yap
Also his power level was said before he got two zenki boost .. so it’s going to be higher. ( it may have been just 1 zenki boost, been awhile since I watched the episode/ movie)
The fact even Invincible fans are disagreeing with the result
Yeah. I wanted to see Nolan die so bad 😂
I’ve had some many people get upset at me for calling them out when death battle is 100% wrong
@@kirbydaclan4285 He will. Don't worry.
@sharkt9877 yeah, I like death battle, but many fans act like their word is infallible or something lol. They're people, they'll mess up.
@@TheZephyrsWind it’s not even them messing up. This is 100% playing favorites.
How can you say destroying a glass pane half the size of a star is star level?
It was like a ceramic plate it was thin and had almost **no** mass
"Lend me some flawed maths, Death Battle, this is Base Bardock we're going up against!"
Lmao
Ok, so here's all you need to know in order to debunk the conclusion of this Death Battle.
1. Omniman did not destroy the Viltrum home world. At least not by himself. First, the planet was shot with an infinitely powerful gun called the "Infinity Ray" which is a gun that shoots rays that can not be stopped by anything. They will blow through anything that they hit and keep going forever. So the planet was shot through by the infinity ray, and THEN Nolan, Thaddeus (another viltrumite) and Invincible (yet another viltrumite) all flew through the gaping wound in the planet made by the infinity ray, destroying it. In actual fact, the infinity ray did most of the damage. The 3 viltrumites just finished it off. And the planet only exploded into large chunks, it was not vaporized or turned to dust. If I'm being generous, the infinity ray did 70% of the damage and the other 30% was split between the 3 viltrumites.
2. Both Master Roshi (in Dragonball) and Piccolo (in Dragonball Z) vaporized the moon. Roshi, with a presumed power level of around 125 powered up a bit (possibly to 400 or 500) and used a Kamehameha to vaporize the moon in order to help a werewolf turn back into a human. Later, in DBZ, while Piccolo was training Gohan, Piccolo casually and instantaneously vaporized the moon without even shooting a beam at it. He literally gestured his hand towards it and yelled "BE GONE!" and it exploded into dust out of fear I guess. Piccolo had a power level of around 300 at the time and did not power up at all.
3. The ability to vaporize the Earth's moon is more than enough energy to destroy a planet. It is even enough energy to cause catastrophic damage to large planets.
4. King Vegeta, with a power level of 10k, casually blew up multiple planets with the wave of a hand. Again, without powering up. Imagine what he could have done with a little effort. A power level of 10k is easily solar system busting levels.
5. DBZ power levels are not linear. A person with a power level of 1,000 is not twice as strong as a person with a power level of 500. They are more like 5x or 10x stronger. We see on planet Namek that as Vegeta got more and more powerful, his power level being only 10% higher than his opponent was enough to allow him to dominate them like they were helpless children. So Bardock having a base power level of 10k, makes him at least hundreds of times more powerful than either Roshi or Piccolo were when they casually destroyed the moon. And even if you want to insist that power levels are linear, then he is still at least 30x stronger than he needs to be to destroy a planet all by himself, while Omniman needed the help of two other viltrumites and an infinitely powerful super weapon to crack a planet into large pieces.
If you put all of that together, it becomes clear that Bardock wouldn't even need to go Super Saiyan in order to beat Omniman with ease.
Roshi didn't destroy the moon to turn a werewolf normal it was to stop Goku from turning oozaru he used krillen's head plus hypnosis later on to trick him into thinking krillen's head was a moon to transform the wolf man back to normal
And for Omni mans durability, Viltrumites have a weakness to High temperatures and remember that time when he got knocked out by war woman? By death battles scaling, war women should be able to destroy anything as large as a star with a single swing 💀
@@Yoojein Weakness to high temperatures? wut?
@@ThisguySL remember the strongest Viltrumites fighting in the outer layer of the sun while melting?
@@Yoojeintell me when Bardock has ever been able to pull off fighting on the surface or in the sun without immediately disintegrating. Tell me ANY DBZ character on Bardock’s level that has pulled off that feat of durability lol. Call it non canon, but even Final form Cooler burned up upon entry to the sun. Js
Tbf it's hard not to get angry with them since now we're literally paying them
then stop paying them
Death battle logic :
Bad takes = controversy = more views
@@adnan_honest_jihadist5775 WDYM THAT WAS THE KICKSTARTER'S WHOLE POINT
@adnan_honest_jihadist5775 I didn't donate 😆
@@alexfraser8352 me either but still the kickstarter was there for a reason and they quite literally asked for it so ofc people are gonna get mad
Perfect, elegant, and professional. The best kind of debunk.
This is exactly how people should be making debunk videos not hate no arguing about irrelevant feats or powers just a disagreement about a feat or too being legit great video
No hate, just thinking Frieza blowing ip Vegeta is a solar feat... just delusions...
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THINK DEATH BATTLE THINK
nice one.
*Hits dislike*
Why would you make me do this?! You're calculating just to watch everyone call you wrong! Think Death Battle! You'll outlast every fragile insignificant Vs Series on the Internet! You'll live to see Smash Bracket, Debate Club, even Cartoon Fight Club crumble to dust and blow away! Everyone and everything you know will be gone!
Even Chatgpt wouldn't have fucked up that battle 💀💀
I actually did what you said and this is what it spat out.
While it underplays both characters I'd say it had more of an accurate reading than what Death battle stated in some things.
Physical Strength and Power
Bardock is a lower-class Saiyan warrior, but Saiyan biology provides a major advantage: Zenkai, a trait that increases their strength after surviving near-fatal injuries. While Bardock doesn’t reach the power levels of mainline characters like Goku or Vegeta, he still demonstrates incredible power feats, especially when empowered by his anger and battle instincts. In Dragon Ball: Episode of Bardock, Bardock even achieves Super Saiyan, significantly increasing his power and speed, though this story isn’t strictly canon in all Dragon Ball material.
Omni-Man, as a Viltrumite, has massive strength that can match planetary forces, as seen throughout Invincible. His durability and strength allow him to overpower most opponents and devastate large cities effortlessly. His Viltrumite biology enables him to survive in space, heal from significant injuries, and live for thousands of years, increasing his battle experience and resilience. Omni-Man is also ruthless, often using lethal tactics without holding back.
Speed and Agility
In terms of speed, Bardock has a huge advantage if we assume his power level is comparable to Saiyans from the Dragon Ball Z era. Saiyans can fly faster than light under certain conditions and teleport with advanced techniques (though Bardock himself doesn’t typically show this level of speed in canon). Still, Bardock’s reaction speed is extremely high, especially in combat.
Omni-Man, while fast, doesn’t reach light-speed levels in the Invincible canon. He is quick enough to circle the planet in moments and can fly through space, but his speed in combat is relatively lower than a Saiyan’s at their peak. This may put him at a disadvantage in evading Bardock’s energy blasts and rapid-fire attacks.
Combat Skill and Experience
Both characters have extensive combat training. Bardock has been a warrior his entire life, participating in the Saiyan conquests, which gives him extensive experience in hand-to-hand combat. While he’s a lower-class warrior in the Saiyan hierarchy, he’s a skilled fighter known for his resilience and tactics, especially in desperate situations.
Omni-Man, however, has centuries of battle experience. As a Viltrumite, he was part of an empire that conquers entire planets, honing his fighting skills against countless species and adapting his combat style to overcome diverse alien powers. His experience is broader than Bardock’s, although not necessarily at the same level of intensity as Bardock’s day-to-day battles as a Saiyan.
Energy Projection
Bardock has an edge in energy projection. He can fire energy blasts and has shown the ability to concentrate ki into powerful attacks, a common Dragon Ball fighting technique. His energy blasts can be devastating, especially if he reaches Super Saiyan form.
Omni-Man doesn’t have energy projection abilities, limiting him to physical attacks. This could be a critical disadvantage, as he’d need to close in on Bardock to engage, exposing him to Bardock’s ranged attacks.
Durability and Healing
Bardock has strong durability and can withstand intense attacks, but he’s not invulnerable and has been shown to be injured by powerful enemies. In the Dragon Ball series, Saiyans have significant stamina but lack Omni-Man’s Viltrumite healing capabilities.
Omni-Man’s durability and healing are outstanding. His body can withstand atmospheric re-entry and powerful explosions, and he heals from grievous wounds rapidly. Even if Bardock damages him, Omni-Man would likely recover faster than Bardock could.
Outcome
Bardock’s advantage in speed and energy projection would allow him to keep Omni-Man at a distance and bombard him with powerful energy attacks. This approach would likely wear down Omni-Man’s defenses, especially if Bardock manages to go Super Saiyan. Omni-Man’s main chance would be in close combat, where his strength and experience could give him an edge, but Bardock’s energy projection would prevent Omni-Man from getting in close easily.
Given Bardock’s speed, energy projection, and ability to push his limits in combat, Bardock has the upper hand. Although Omni-Man has immense durability and combat experience, Bardock’s energy-based combat style and superior speed give him enough of an edge to eventually overwhelm Omni-Man.
Final Verdict
Bardock wins with high difficulty, using his ranged attacks, speed, and Saiyan battle instinct to wear down and ultimately overpower Omni-Man, especially if he taps into Super Saiyan abilities.
On the topic of sharing details, I'm also confused on the thickness of the disk. Assuming their diameter size of 596million meters is correct, that totals to an area of about 2.79*10^15m. In order to get to that 1.08*10^24 volume size, the disk would need to have a thickness of 400million meters. That's almost as much as the diameter, which honestly to me doesn't make much sense.
You can reasonably scale SSJ Bardock to First Form Frieza for 4 reasons. 1 is the gap wasn't too big already, it's not even a 1.1x difference. 2 is that frieza put 0 effort into his destruction of Vegeta attack (which apparently was calculated to obliterate a star in Frieza vs Megatron). 3 is that with a Power Level of just 250k, Vegeta was forcing Frieza to put in effort. And 4 is that you could argue Bardock got a zenaki buff after either a. Fighting the Frieza force soldiers or b. Fighting chilled (and hypothetically recovering from it).
Freiza destroying Planet Vegeta with a finger is the equivalent of the world's strongest man pushing a bottle with his finger. It's barely an inconvenience.
I mean yea if the ssj Is a 50x multiplier and his base is at least 10k the 10k x 50 would be 500k
@@SCARLET_DEMON-KING_OF_DARKNESS Just to drive the point home, Even if we assume that Nolan DOES have the power Death Battle claims he has, He would will pale in comparison to Bardock.
A sun is typically 100 times the size of the earth, King Vegeta Destroyed 2 (Two of 3 were small ones so lets downplay a little), With a 50 times multiplier to THAT we have a Bardock who can destroy the sun without effort, Much like King Vegeta doing the same to the planets.
A power level of 500,000 is crazy. To think about it dbz terms because master roshi blew up the moon with a power of like 250. Literally vaporized it.
And dbz characters shoot these lightspeed attacks at each other all the time using ki control. So they are tanking planet busting lasers all the time and dishing them out.
How did that not scale to bardocks Durability?
@@ben69028 It.....did?
If you mean why Bardock didn't survive Freiza, It was because Bardock at base is only 10,000 and 100,000 in Great Ape.
Freiza was 5 times his power level, And keep in mind Vegeta managed to utterly decimate Cui thanks to a 10% difference in power.
In coolers revenge, friezas supernova engulfs another nearby planet after destroying vegeta
Best Debunk I've ever seen
They were right on Goku vs Superman, but they were not right on Omni man vs Bardock
Love DBZ but I don't think Broly should have beaten Hulk.
Im not sure what versuon they y used for hulk but hes nigh immortal and is like the dark embidiment of god. Has swapped hands with gods. I love db but broly gets whacked
It depends which version of Superman they use.
@Jxpin666 Nolan can't tank a hit from the infinity ray (that's space racers gun right) it's in his books as a weapon to kill viltrumites. His weapon is his fists and key blasts that do what the infinity ray did but better.
@Jxpin666"punches" dude was on the brink of death getting beaten down by mountain leveled fodders. Bardock is way stronger than immortal and war woman who both made omniman bleed and solely lost due to supidity. And ki blasts that have the range to destroy a planet?
Basically Omniman was 3 times what he should of been put at with the planet feat and the Solar Disk being shoe horned in last minute despite it not even existing at the time of the statement and getting the equation wrong while Bardock was handled well in terms of scaling and was also shoe horned in Super Saiyan.
So basically divide calcs for Omniman by 3 (ignoring the Sun Disk feat) and Bardock by 5 and you got an accurate matchup
Frieza at 530k casually vaporized planet vegeta and in coolers revenge, the attack was shown swallowing another nearby planet. Ssj bardock is 500k lol he's destroying omniman
Less than 3x. The planet was shot with an infinitely powerful gun and THEN omniman and two other dudes flew through it. The gun did most of the damage. Omniman contributed maybe 10%.
Omni man was massively stronger ( large star )
LARGE STAR LVL , that's the 1st time I heard "omni man is LARGE STAR LVL.
@@SuperKamiGuruu yes, but it is debatable if they can even use SSJ since it isn't officially canon and leads into DB Hero's territory
@@KurNorock they took the brunt of the impact and continued to maintain the speed all the way through the planet. What kills you, the gun or the bullet? It the bullet
Considering the greatest of all Viltrumites (who killed Nolan) was ultimately defeated by being thrown into a sun, I think it's fair to say that SSJ Bardock (being near-equal to Frieza) could easily output a ki blast strong enough to not only kill Nolan, but completely obliterate him. Given the speed advantage on top of that, Bardock would wipe the floor with him.
Earth in DB is generally considered to be bigger than our own, so energy calcs are generally off. (Exact numbers vary by source & calc)
Earth at the same time is considered a small planet, meaning that 'average' planets will be way bigger, which could put King Vegeta's hand wave at a way more destructive level.
Earth being bigger than ours, might also have a bigger moon; boosting Roshi's & Piccolo's early feats as well.
Really well done video! Really cool to see a debunked video that’s not super toxic
They didn't even do the math right within their own internal logic. Thier calculations used the Bardock that fought lord Chilled, but they gave him the power level he had at the beginning of the Bardock special. They didn't take into account that by the end of that he at minimum scaled to Dodoria from the zenkai boost he got halfway through the special. His base power level is more than twice the amount they used for it.
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I'm more mad that people are going to say that they just hate dragon Ball because this is not helping them beat the allegations
they DO hate dragonball, but they use it as a golden goose to gain attention back by making blatantly wrong battles to get people to debunk them and get views from that
Hey! You earned yourself a new sub. I bet you'll grow to become a well known channel in this community. Keep it up, you're doing this very professionally, I figured you were a big channel before I glanced away from the game I was playing & saw your sub count.
I'm the type that never lies to sound nice, so when I said I thought you were a pro I somehow never subbed to, I meant it. I'll be watching everything you produce. But have fun while you're speaking, make tiny jokes (if you want to & are skilled, otherwise disregard this). As a workaholic myself, I know very well that using comedy or whatever to avoid burnouts is extremely important. Also, disregard negative comments, they'll affect you if there are too many & they know that. Constructive criticism is a different thing, though.
Sorry for the essay, it's part of my OCD. I'm making progress in making posts smaller. Used to be I'd post, no exaggeration, comments 5-10 times this size... So yeah, I'm progressing well!
You take care & remember what I said about burnout. Do whatever you wish, though, I only meant to bring it up as a warning. I've been there many times. Have fun, man.
I appreciate the kind words and advice bro!
At base I believe they’re in the same ball park, I’ll even argue Nolan would be smart enough to attack the tail to disable great ape, but smart atoms are not adapting to bardocks punches on top of his ki blasts, mark and thragg both had their smart atoms overwhelmed when they were brawling on the sun
They are not in the same ball park at all
On the surface of the sun, to be precise.
@Jxpin666 u mean the same omni man that needs assistance destroying a planet while people like roshi and sayain saga piccolo can destroy a moon
@Jxpin666 that’s untrue there are just as many occasions of them being more durable, I’ll even reference vegeta like you
You remember how he survived being blasted by a kamehameha equal to his own galick gun? And he was pissed, returning to the fight, only to be blasted by a spirit bomb, only to get MORE pissed and come back again
The revival of F statement is inconsistent and an anti feat at best since nothing as dumb has happened before or since
And you just acknowledged that omni man has lower AP, so bardock is faster, and has higher AP, sounds like a matchup that omniman would take way more than he could give in, viltrumites are slower, and weak to multiple damage sources at once, ki is hot otherwise it wouldn’t vaporize people, big heat plus stronger punch than his own = bad for Nolan
@Jxpin666 vegeta died in that movie because of the lack of oxygen...maybe research before commenting so ppl dont laugh at u
They made omni man look like he was injustice superman or something.
Literally this fight was injustice superman vs bardock like wtf.
They did mention that Conquest was able to destroy a coalition ship, I found a scan of that, but they also said the coalition ship can tank it's own beams which I've yet to find a scan for but if that's true then it might give omni man more valid scaling
Death battle obviously isnt always accurate, Their Execution on their justification for certain matchups are flawed as well
While I disagree with the video, this is genuinely one of the most fair disagreements ever. Like BlackScape's OmniDock debunk started off with him admitting he hasn't read invincible. This one at least is most similar to the actual debate on vs threads, where most people think its close. Very refreshing compared to every Twitter or Reddit comment section getting upset being from people who clearly haven't watched the video.
What do you mean you disagree? Omni-man would punch Bardock and break his hand. Omni-man needed two other viltrumites and another moon-level attack to just barely NOT DIE while blowing up a weakened planet. King Vegeta casually waived his hand and blew up three whole planets. Bardock is so far beyond Omni-man the matchup isn't even fair.
@@gogeta667 the planet had to weakened because otherwise the heat of the core would kill them, this is consistent with the Star thing, intense heat hurts them hard
@@redlink8734 Yeahup. Goku tanks a star in the Namek saga. No way SSJ Bardock loses to a dude who would die if he got launched into a star.
Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t Dragon Ball power levels also correlate to your speed?
yeah, and it also allows you to bend or break the laws of reality, like when jiren moved in stopped time
thank you for being sensible. Perfectly fine to disagree and debunk but its so childish how some powerscalers react to bad scaling.
To be honest, they downplay on Dragon Ball characters for many years they don’t care, but I’m also glad that at least that they put Bardock faster than the speed of light which all dragon ball characters are
Excellent rebuttal. I like Omni-Man, but he honestly was just wanked.
Fighting speed is not the same for Nolan. He couldn’t catch Cecil from teleporting with all his traveling speed
the problem is base bardock stomps since he's a planet buster with a power lvl of 10k then add monkey which is a 10x multiplier is overkill then bardock was allowed super sayian which is 50x
he'd just spatter against bardock before anything happened then get destroyed by a ki blast afterwards
It's not about the gaff but the size of gaff as well as the quantity of gaffs.
Something that blocks the sun's light does not make it star level. Large objects do not make them durable objects. Comparing 1 individual destroying 3 planets with ease to 3 individuals destroying 1 planet with high difficulty is no where near remotely equal. Saying something is ineffective at doing something does not mean a thing surpasses it. A 🔨 is very ineffective to killing a 🪰, but that does not mean the 🪰 is beyond 🔨 level.
So much of their logic is nonsensical at best & outright insulting at worse.
Like they did bring up interesting feats that I didn't know about and makes Omni man and invincible as a verse stronger but this is just baffling that I can't stop talking about it
This is not the first time they do this with DB characters,its almost that they hold a grudge over them,because they always make them lose (one or two win) with stupid numbers that they pull of their asses,whats the point of making a "scientific research" if they do it wrong;i mean dood even in the comics omniman need the help of other two viltrumites to destroy a planet while king vegeta and other db characters can destroy one or more planets with beam powers (their excuse is the size of the planet and the ring surrounding it).
Bardock wins, because he is cooler than Nolan
I get omni-man has never been shown to solo destroy a planet, but at least he's shown destroying one, bardock has never been shown or stated to do so, he's never been started to be stronger or as strong as king Vegeta, so just this evidence alone, how was bardock gonna win?
Because his power level is equal to king vegetas because it grew to 10,000 during his special episode. even without saying he's close in power to king vegeta, demon king piccolo is stated to be capable of destroying the earth with a power level of 230 and he is shown casual beating people who can casually destroy or create a moon. The difference between 230 and 10,000 is huge.
They also gave bardock ssj (ssj is a 50x boost so 50 x 10k is 500,000)so he would be around the same power and first form frieza ( friezas first form power level is 530,000), the same one who blew up a planet 10x larger than Earth with a single finger
Their scaling was so ass, they gave Bardock SSJ from the OVA then why not use the feats it let him do, like clapping that man Chilled who was on par with first form Freiza.
And the Omniman planet busting feat was assisted by other Viltrumites, and lord have mercy the disk feat was wildly wanked.
Omniman is maybe small planetary solo AT BEST. Bardock is multiplanetary, and leagues faster, no clue how they came to their conclusion.
With that said the fight was super well animated, wish the analysis wasn't so ass cause this coulda been one of their best episodes.
Death Battle got a battle with missed info.
None of bardock feats are canon. Krillin would destroy bardock.
Master roshi with a power level less than 139 blew up the moon within seconds to change goku back after he went oozaru. It was stated in a guide that roshi was capable of powering an entire star. Base bardock has a power level of 10,000. The highest durability level you can give omni man is less than star level if you give him the disc feat. Bardock can generate higer output and heat with his ki attacks than roshi. Ki attacks destroy things on a atomic level. It was said trunks reduced mecha frieza to atoms. Bardock can amp his strikes with his ki. He has faster combat and raw speed. Stat wise he scales to or above king vegeta in his base form. His ki attacks have massive range and aoe. Bardock can also get rage boosts and can grow and evolve as he fights and in battle. He has his oozaru form and was given his ssj form. Even if you take away the ssj form he would still have his oozaru form and base bardock is enough to beat omni man.
This deserves at least half the views of the death battle video.
Bardock isn't compared to goku when it comes to power, he's actually compared to king Vegeta, meaning that Bardock is probably closer to base Vegeta than he is Goku. That doesn't change how you'd scale him too much, you'd just take what Goku does and then say "bardock could do this quite easily"
Thought that does mean that super sayain barcok is much stronger than base Frieza is, or... It's very likely that he's much stronger than Frieza, even saying that his power level is 15k, that means he shoots up to 750k, making it so he prolly curb-stomps base Frieza. Therefore he has massively higher than star level AP, meaning, even with their stupidly high high-ball for Omni-man's durability, ssj Bardock slaps.
Based on what we see in the invincible comic, Omniman is prolly like... Moon to small planet level at best, slower when you take filler into account, and any lead he might have had vanishes when Bardock slaps a 50 times multiplier on himself.
I can't really speak on stamina tho, since the only actual fight I've seen is the very first one where he gets nearly smacked up by the super heros and is very winded. Which I feel like is another issue here. Those guys, while strong, don't read to me like star level threats, and with a little teamwork they were throwing omniman around a little and actually hurting him.
Whether it’s Bardock from Z or the dragon ball minus bardock…he Wins this battle. Vultrimites aren’t that strong compared to sayains/dragon ball verse
Everyone's making debunks like it wasn't already obvious that they were wrong I love death Battle but come on
Really appreciate your input here. This is the first vid that I’ve seen that actually engages with the math & points that Death Battle presents. However, even with the discrepancies in the sun disc power scaling calc, I don’t think you’ve sufficiently proven that Bardock is stronger than Omniman is durable or that Omniman is weaker than Bardock is durable… which to me is the final determining factor in who wins the match.
Tbf we’re all making assumptions regarding their power levels & feats, but much so notoriously with any DBZ character. Even with Bardock’s SS form scaling him close to Base form Frieza, I do believe he is still weaker. How negligible of a weakness or power difference is up for debate, but I still believe it’s substantial enough to note in regard to how well he’d fair against Omniman.
And yes, we can equate planet Viltrum to a slightly smaller Jupiter, but we’re forgetting the fact that the ring around Viltrum is filled with billions of dead Viltrumite bodies that function as an added protective barrier around the planet. The implications of that regarding the durability of the average Viltrumite, let alone the way above average Omniman, are staggering.
We’re also forgetting that most of DBZ characters we see thrown into the sun get obliterated almost instantly, while Invincible & Thragg were able to have a whole fight on the surface of the sun before succumbing to their wounds (honestly idk why Death Battle didn’t use that feat in their calculations lol). Do you honestly think Bardock (SS or base form) could withstand the sun while fighting someone of an equal or stronger power lvl? Is there anything in recorded Bardock lore that even substantiate his ability to do so?
Just saying, I know there may be some wonky calculations that don’t hold up as well to scrutiny as we fans would like, but I’m not convinced that most of the naysayers of this battle are even engaging with this fight on that analytical of a level lol.
Already! A debunked version lmao ! Nice
Does nobody ever even think about the fact that Toriyama drew a map of the dragon ball universe showing that it's much larger than our universe. The travel speed feats in dragon ball are basically always wildly underplayed to glaze some other asshole. There are a stupid number of characters and even whole verses that could stomp or no dif dragon ball but invincible is not one of them. Bardock is naturally talented with ki manipulation so his defensive abilities are so far above omniman that best case scenario Nolan dies on impact with bardock from the reverb. Worse case Bardock takes his time picking Nolan apart since viltrumities cannot get as strong as fast as Saiyans. Zen kai boosts which are sadly forgotten all too often are not linear power boosts and talented saiyans can take advantage of them while getting the shit kicked out of them as show cased by Broly in the super movie. Bardock has literally decades of experience fighting over Broly & natural talent with ki. Plus the king Vegeta planet destruction feat is a casual flick of the wrist as is shown so base Bardock is just stronger than 3 of the best viltrumities in existence by feats.
There's already a debunked video already?
your mieks too low bro please record it louder next time
1st form is not base form freza base is 60millon and bardock base form would incress he went throw zenki bost and trainng .
Even the lowest class saiyans like Raditz are casual planetbusters. Meanwhile, Omni-Man's planet busting feat was with the assistance of two other viltrumites and an orbital strike from their ships. Ain't no way Death Battle disrespected Bardock so much that Omni-Man beat him while he was a Super Saiyan. Bro would get slapped around by a single Saibaman. YAMCHA would beat Omni-Man's ass.
It's not really a debunk when we know the answer
Bardock all day
supersaiyan beats freeza bro theres no way omni would survive period
How many debunked are there for these
Probably 10.
They give nolan the benefit of the doubt but there "researchers" didn't research that dr slump is canon in dbz earth in dr slump is 4 billion km long you need a powerlevel of 10k to destroy earth
10k x 50 =500k
Bardock could destroy a 200 billion km large earth
It actually isnt. That was said by someone who's entire joke is that he is an idiot that says things that are wrong (his surname literally meaning idiot) and even so the earth in Slump and the one in db are diferents. The Penguin Island from db is just another versión of it n db. Also there is an interview in wich Toriyama says our earth is similar to his.There is a video titled along the lines of "the biggest lie in db scaling" that talks about it
@@Dario-uj6qoI've seen that video it's easily done debunkable.
@@Mexican1632 what is debunkable, the video or the idea the earth is thst big?
@@Dario-uj6qo both.
It's big and usable for Dr. Slump but not for db
@@Mexican1632 I dont think it would be usable for dr Slump either considering the context
King Vegeta destroys planets x3 by waving his hand vs Viltrumites x3 going all-in + Space Racer's insane gun to destroy a single planet.
Death Battle: "This proves an individual Viltrumite is stronger than an individual Saiyan."
People are actually defending them and saying they are right. They have so many stans that think they can’t be wrong
Once Again Death Battle uses non canon feats & filler along with literal fan theories for Dragon Ball Characters in their clear bias towards Dragon Ball. While the extremely toxic Dragon Ball Fanboys cry & rage in the comments about how they believe any Dragon Ball Character should never lose a fight in Death Battle.
One by Feats
Goku has been hurt by bullets and tagged by regular human thugs
Super Saiyan Blue Goku has been nearly killed by a regular laser
Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta killed by Planet Explosion
Goku and Vegeta have been easily knocked out by a regular stun gun
Krillin held his own against Super Saiyan Blue Goku in a beam struggle and Android 18 could knock away both of their attacks
Krillin later gets defeated by an Android Bee called Hachimaru in DBS Chapter 91. Hachimaru was heavily damaged by Krillin using a standard police gun to shoot the Android Bee down. Then Hachimaru proceeded to defeat Krillin afterwards.
Goku needs a specialized suit to go to the center of the Earth. Because the heat is too much for his body. Beerus even says that Bulma sent Goku on a very dangerous mission for him. In Dragon Ball Super Episode 68. Goku needed a specialized suit from Bulma to survive the high temperatures in the core of the Earth. Even Beerus says that the core of the Earth is a dangerous place for Goku. Even Goku says that he would die if he went into the Core of Earth.
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Dragon Ball Inconsistencies
Three its stated by Android 16 that a nuclear bomb is enough to kill Cell. Cell was clearly afraid of the Nuclear Bomb. So was Goku.
Beerus & Goku's fight
1. Old kai is far too unreliable.
Old Kai debunks himself when he says the shockwaves are getting stronger as they travel further
Yet the shockwaves reached the sacred world of the kais yet that world was fine. The sacred world of the kais is the furthest point and its outside the seventh universe.
Old Kai also wasn't even sure himself if it was capable of destroying the universe.
Old kai is the same person who thought kid buu was stronger than Beerus
Old Kai also thought that Beerus was scared of his power so he sealed him away. Implying Beerus is weaker than him.
2. Narrator.
The narrator is not omniscient like many claim to be. He says that Beerus went full power during his first battle with Goku
He has even been wrong in the past by saying how Saiyan Saga Nappa is boundless
And then the Narrator claims that Namek Saga Frieza is capable of destroying the universe
Four Its completely out of character for Goku to destroy the Sun. One because he is a morally good guy. Two He wouldn't destroy the source of Superman's power because Goku loves a challenge. This is the same guy who gave Cell a senzu bean for the sake of a fair battle against his own son.
Super Saiyan 2 is pretty much an asspull. There was no real foreshadowing, implication or mention of a new transformation.
Yes there were mentions of improving the Super Saiyan Transformation. But Super Vegeta is exactly just that. An improvement of the original SSJ1 that Goku used on Namek.
Goku saying Gohan is stronger than him doesn't mean that a new transformation has been foreshadowed or implied.
And no, Super Saiyan 2 Gohan is not an improved version or an evolution of Super Saiyan Grade 2 Trunks. Super Saiyan 2 Gohan severely damaged Cell with one punch while Super Saiyan Grade 2 Trunks was unable to damage Cell even when his strongest attacks landed.
Mystic was definitely an asspull. Guru already unlocked Gohan's hidden potential in the Namek Arc. Mystic Gohan made no sense.
Super Saiyan 3. The Transformation Goku supposedly trained for in other world. But Goku conveniently felt no need to mention learning a new transformation in other world when he first arrives on Earth despite being the kind of person to brag about his fighting achievements nor did he use this powerful transformation against Majin Vegeta. Despite the entire world being at stake and Goku having no motivation to fight Vegeta at all.
Then there is Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta becoming stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku through the power of love & friendship because Beerus smacked Bulma.
Vegeta literally pulled Super Saiyan Blue Evolution out of his ass. When there is zero foreshadowing or hints that such a transformation was even possible and it was never mentioned beforehand. And no its not like Super Saiyan Grade 2. One we actually saw the Saiyans training for Super Saiyan Grade 2. Meanwhile we never saw Vegeta train Super Saiyan Blue Evolution at all.
Super Saiyan Grade 2 wasn’t even much of a transformation. Super Saiyan Grade 2 was the equivalent of bulking up your muscle mass to achieve a temporary boost in Physical Strength but severely reducing your speed & agility. Meanwhile Super Saiyan Blue Evolution is a massive power boost & new transformation out of nowhere with no downsides & no training or effort required for it to work.
Then there is the Super Saiyan Rage asspull. Trunks literally gets a massive power boost out of nowhere to defeat Zamssu by essentially throwing a temper tantrum.
The Beast Gohan & Orange Piccolo Asspulls. Piccolo getting his potential unlocked through Dragon Balls is lazy writing. But when Gamma 2 clearly defeats Piccolo even after Piccolo has his Full Potential unlocked. Piccolo gets another Transformation out of nowhere, “Orange Piccolo”. Meanwhile Gohan sees Piccolo getting beaten up by Cell Max then pulls another Transformation out of his ass by throwing another temper tantrum. No foreshadowing or set up beforehand.
The Ultra Instinct Transformation was an asspull. No real foreshadowing or set up for the transformation. Ultra Instinct was set up as a frame of mind that you have to learn and develop over time. It was never implied, foreshadowed or stated to be a new type of transformation. Yes Ultra Instinct is mentioned before the Tournament of Power. But as shown from Beerus using it during the battle between the Gods of Destruction. It was implied to be a special state of mind. A type of spiritual enlightenment.
Instead "Ultra Instinct" is just an overglorified "Super Saiyan White" that Goku pulls out of his ass at the last minute. This isn't Goku developing a new state of mind through enlightenment or changing the way he fights or learning more about controlling his ki & instincts. This is Goku pulling a new Super Saiyan Transformation out of his ass when he is about to lose to Jiren.
The Ultra Ego Asspull that was never foreshadowed or set up whatsoever.
Then there is True Ultra Instinct. Another garbage asspull out of nowhere which further contradicts how Ultra Instinct was previously established to work.
Using the Daizenshuu in arguments.
Dragon Ball
Often on WWW when arguing DB, people will bring up the Daizenshuu to source their arguments.
The Daizenshuu is often mistaken for being written by Toriyama himself.
The Daizenshuu was written by Watanabe Akinori.
Toriyama's involvement with the Daizenshuu was mainly just interviews and snippets of information.
Toriyama did say he approved of the Daizenshuu , but that's mostly just work appreciation.
The problem I have with the Daizenshuu is that it contradicts itself and the manga.
Some examples:
50% Freeza is said to have a PL of 60,000,000 in the Daizenshuu
Freeza 50%: 60 million
While base Goku is said to have 3,000,000.
Versus Freeza: 3 million
A KKX20 would be 60,000,000 yet Freeza blocked Goku's kamehameha with one hand.
Daizenshuu 4 says that Kid Boo uses IT.
Kid Boo uses Kai Kai in the manga.
Nappa being at 4000 contradicts the manga.
Nappa: 4,000
Once Nappa calms down Goku says that it could take a while to beat Nappa
He also had to use the Kaioken just to catch up to Nappa.
It's funny how the invincible fanboys are saying dragonball Fans are toxic And cry about results, When it's not that, it's the literally a five year old can see who is stronger
So we’re just gonna ignore the fact the infinity ray destroyed a sun immediately but not the virtuamite planet. Honestly omniman needs to be rescaled cause the ray only destabilized the core it wasn’t capable of fully destroying it otherwise there wouldn’t be a need for omniman and the others to finish the job. The infinity ray can destroy a sun which is 100 times bigger than our planet and more durable and the planet survived a sun busting attack the lowest ball u could give omniman from this feat is large planetary
which is still less than large star level which bardock is
@@emanuelstornello8009 yea it is however that doesn’t mean low ball
Omniman ignoring what’s states and what a damn gun did to a sun with no resistance
@@emanuelstornello8009 and worse we’re not adding the fact this isn’t the only sun the infinity ray destroyed it might had destroyed larger suns meaning virtulmite planet is far more durable then we’re letting out
@@maysen51that’s not a good comparison just because the star disc is able to destroy a star which is made out of completely different things than a planet maybe the star disc has something that only makes it able to destroy stars but not plenty’s like viltrum it’s quite simple tbh
@@maysen51it’s not that viltrum is more durable than we’re letting if it’s just that the star disc laser has elements that makes it able to destroy stars but not necessarily planets which is a good assumption because a star and a planet are made out of different things
DBZ fabs cant comprehend this. Destroying a planet cnat be compared to destroying a star, Sorry, untill Cell was blowing himself up, no one was near the star level. Saying "Frieza blowing up Vegeta is a dwarf star feat" is like saying "Look, at me break this glass of water.... from this you can assume I am able to destroy this entire city".
Bro the explosion after the attack was calced to dwarf star.
You have to understand that
Yap
If your on about me then I am not sure since the Physical energy needed to create an explosion that big would be like Dwarf Star level in AP but death battle put the explosion at Star level AP in their Megatron Vs Freezer Video so I don’t really think it it yap
@@omegacrow2290 not you
Omniman has never destroyed a star.
Anime Deserves to Loose Lol
Cry About it
And your mother didn't love you.
Cry about it
This is proof there should be an IQ test before you're allowed to vote.
Also his power level was said before he got two zenki boost .. so it’s going to be higher. ( it may have been just 1 zenki boost, been awhile since I watched the episode/ movie)