Idk I feel like out of llanas primary's I find myself using the G3 more then the ArX idk if that's personal preference but I find the gun easier to use and with a higher mag size I can take more engagements then the fire reload fire reload that happens with the ArX. (I'm console though so that might play a part)
Something else you could cover, for operators with more than two primary weapons (excluding shotguns) which weapon should you choose? I only use the DMR on Blackbeard and Buck and people always call me out for it. Just another idea for a video if you're running dry.
"The C7E is an S tier rifle for those who can get a hold of the upward climb" More like an S tier rifle for those who can get a hold of the operator who wields it when he's not banned...
@@Tacticaviator7 for me thats the g36c actually, something always felt off about it and i can't put my finger on it, i can control recoil on it just fine, its just not quite there for me though i dont like how the arx200 only has a couple bullets in it, drives me nuts, all i want ubi is a 25 round mag in the arx, if you have to take it off iana to do so, so be it.
@@Tacticaviator7 I agree, I get the feeling with the M4 as well. Some days I am a terminator with the gun, other days I become a rookie shooter. It feels like the gun has more control over itself than I do.
@Tactical Camper So I'm not the only one that's weirded out by the tuna boat recoil? Especially suppressed it can be whack, but if you're up close and personal it only matters as far as you can flick on them.
Gregor releases an in-depth video on the AR’s and their effectiveness only to be subverted by an unexpected Gun Balancing / attachment change that drastically changes a few of the guns mentioned.
As a Hibana main you'll get used to the 21 bullets and can stop shooting at 20 so you will get the really fast reload. The reload is so good that the 21 bullets arent that bad and because you have evey scope option you can play with longer distances with this gun which also makes reloading safer the the horizontal really is also something you can adjust to if you play that weopon alot and learn it. Its muscle memory like any other recoil in the game
I think it's worth noting that horizontal recoil is best when it is slightly exaggerated. If a curve is too subtle then it becomes actively difficult to micro adjust for, whereas with something like the type 89 you have a lot of room for error. It's a lot of horizontal recoil, but it's large enough that the deviation won't change how you control it too much. Other guns with more subtle patterns are often easy to overcompensate with because of how the recoil diamond works in this game.
14:59 "If I had to pick another weapon on Hibana, I would not pick the type 89". I agree . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Because it's not another weapon, it's the same weapon
I think it would be helpful to only include the same number of bullets/x seconds (like rpm but in seconds) so that the muzzle climb can be accurately compared across the fire rates and muzzle rize per bullet.
yeah agree, 2 weapons can have the same pattern but if vector shoots 1000rpm and some rifle shoots 650 rpm, then obviously vector is even almost twice as hard to control
i find it interesting how you included the POF-9 in there (classed as an ar, technically an smg) but you didn't include the K1A (classed as an smg, technically an ar) or the Commando-9 and AUG A3 (both classed as ar's while being technically smg's like the pof), other than that great vid, couldn't agree more with the statements against the hivemind when it comes to high rof guns. Can't wait for the SMG vid
I think the AK-12 is exactly where it needs to be as the recoil can get to you when shooting at a distance but close to mid range it's a very formidable weapon
Hey Gregor! Could you put what operators use the gun you are talking about on the side for those of us who are newer, and don’t know the guns by names yet?
There’s a picture at the top of the operator, whilst still not the most useful for new players gives some identity to match up with in game, hope that helps somewhat 🙂
Hey greg, after the new patch you can put the 552 Commando, SC3000K, M4 and PARA308 in S Tier. 2 Shot kills against 3 speeds at close range with kong barrel
great work, sad that it will be partially outdated with the next update (Wamai/IQ AUG recoil nerf, F2 loses vert. grip) but I guess that's always how it goes ^^
Absolutely loving your weapon tier list videos, thanks for the great content and thoughtful approach. It would be very helpful if you would display the gun name and operators that use it as you talk about them.
As of Solar Raid, stance no longer effects hip-fire spread, and to my knowledge, stance has never had any effect on weapon recoil. (Hip-fire spread is the represented by the size of your white crosshairs when you are not ADS'd. I believe that moving and changing stances still increases hip-fire spread, but I'm not entirely sure about that after the Solar Raid changes. Recoil is the climb/drift exhibited by a weapon as it fires. ADS'ing removes spread completely as bullets will always fire directly from the center of your crosshair but recoil moves your crosshair as you fire.)
I've been saying since day 1 that the SC3000K is basically the AK12 with a smaller mag, and now that the AK12 has been nerfed so much the SC3000K is is one of the best guns in the game. Good to see someone crunching the numbers to confirm that.
I have an answer to why everyone thinks the Spear was a laser, and tho this quote is old, it still applies: “Everyone says it’s a laserbeam but that’s because of her drugs” From when Finka boosts gave you less recoil. It turned the spear into an undeniable laser. But the same can be said for every weapon in the game at the time
I get the argument with the F2, but I still love Hibana’s gun. It’s got decent recoil but it’s incredibly easy to master, especially with a flash hider which makes a massive difference on that gun specifically. The reload time is fast if you don’t empty the mag, and with hibana’s flank type play style, I rarely have to take more than 1 enemy at a time. She’s my most played operator and I have like a 65% headshot percentage with her, 40+ damage on body shots with fast rate of fire makes it arguably the best body shot killer in the game as well
I respect that you based this tier list on the average player's experience, crosshair placement, and skill level; but I'm always going to prefer fighting a gold with a Vector .308, vs. an F2, C8, or AK on both PC and Xbox. Then again, 80% of my experience comes from Xbox where literally everybody is cheating. P.S. I'd put the G36C in A tier, and w/ personal bias I'd put it to S tier on controller.
Been coming back to the game and had fun in lower elo, rhis helps me with catching up to the meta. Would you mind making a operator tier list too, please
You know what’s funny? In the description for Blackbeard’s MK17 CQB, the rifle’s performance is explained as “high damage and severe recoil”. Ironic. I’m a Blackbeard main, and honestly, no matter how much I want to chew Gregor out for putting it so low, I know for a fact that he’s right. Also, fun fact: I’ve managed to ace with the MK17 before, but when it comes to using the C7E, L85A2, M4, or any other S-Tier weapon, I’ve never aced with them before. Don’t get me wrong, they are statistically WAY better than the MK17, but at the end of the day I think it comes down to what weapon the player has spent the most time with, and for me, the MK17 is that weapon. Alright, I think I’m done now. Sorry for taking so long.
I really do enjoy Iana's AR. Definitely my favorite. Something about the recoil and rpm just fits so well. AK-12 is my second favorite for same reason, followed by the 50 drum mag vector that log biceps has, and my final attacker main is Hibana, and I definitely think she needs some kinda buff, with her Gadget and slightly to the AR, but I still really enjoy playing her
Now, im not saying that the damage system is bad, but I'm looking at the list of guns that use similar calibers (ie the .308 and 5.56 guns) and I'm just reminded of how Insurgency has ballanced its guns out. Completly different game, yes, *but* there is something to be said for the M16A4, FAMAS, AUG, G36, M4A1, ect all having the same calibers and by extension the same damage in a similarly "realistic" or "tacticool" shooter. Reballancing things like that wouldnt work for siege, but reballancing to a similarly made system for a Siege 2 would be more interesting.
Any chance for bookmarks? I can't recognize all of the guns from looking at final product and I have the attention span of a 5 y/o so can't remember all the information in the video.
The para-308 was the exact same as the lmg in terms of damage output, but had more attachments, less scopes and a smaller magazine, so it could reload faster. This was made for the more aggressive capitaò players. Now it's a mumbo jumbo selection of idk if the designer notes are to go through
Big Fire Rate has propagandised me Greg. Thank you for your objective take on the rifles, I'll deffinatly use some of this info for my loadout choices.
I wish you went into this with Rogue-9, I know he isn’t doing much siège content since that whole controversy a few years back, but he is a STATS N E R D L O L!! He would be so enthusiastic abt stuff like this and cuz he’s also into real guns,he tries to match the irl counterpart. 😓 yeah…he would be so enthusiastc to do more stuff like this…
And now that you’ve done this they release a patch increasing extended barrel damage by 15%, giving some guns the ability to 2 shot 😂 gotta redo this video
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do an SMG tier list next
So uh... about the F2 and that balance patch which came out today
Idk I feel like out of llanas primary's I find myself using the G3 more then the ArX idk if that's personal preference but I find the gun easier to use and with a higher mag size I can take more engagements then the fire reload fire reload that happens with the ArX. (I'm console though so that might play a part)
Something else you could cover, for operators with more than two primary weapons (excluding shotguns) which weapon should you choose? I only use the DMR on Blackbeard and Buck and people always call me out for it. Just another idea for a video if you're running dry.
"The C7E is an S tier rifle for those who can get a hold of the upward climb"
More like an S tier rifle for those who can get a hold of the operator who wields it when he's not banned...
Thats literally what i thought he was gonna say
Athieno put the c7e in b tier kekw
I used to play jackal so much before banning became a thing, now I can never get him 😂
They see my barrel before I see them
it is my favourite gun on attack. Deleting roamers is so easy
Perhaps the best weapon is the one we made along the way
ATF would like to know your location…
I verbally said shut up out loud
Ehhhh yeah it's getting old buddy
Instructions unclear, built a luty sub machine gun and await further instructions
@@tylercanlas750 lmao imagine being so sad and lonely that some comment on a siege vid makes you actually upset
Tactical Tuna boat was already Goated on Sam’s release. To know that it is still the hidden Goat makes Splinter Cell very happy.
Personally it feels off to me somehow, like sometimes the recoil is just fine and sometimes it goes wild for me.
@@Tacticaviator7 for me thats the g36c actually, something always felt off about it and i can't put my finger on it, i can control recoil on it just fine, its just not quite there for me though i dont like how the arx200 only has a couple bullets in it, drives me nuts, all i want ubi is a 25 round mag in the arx, if you have to take it off iana to do so, so be it.
@@Tacticaviator7 I agree, I get the feeling with the M4 as well. Some days I am a terminator with the gun, other days I become a rookie shooter. It feels like the gun has more control over itself than I do.
@Tactical Camper So I'm not the only one that's weirded out by the tuna boat recoil? Especially suppressed it can be whack, but if you're up close and personal it only matters as far as you can flick on them.
@@kirbyis4ever I use the tuna boat suppressed and I'm not that weirded out by it but I can see why some others might find it off.
Gregor releases an in-depth video on the AR’s and their effectiveness only to be subverted by an unexpected Gun Balancing / attachment change that drastically changes a few of the guns mentioned.
F2 vertical grip moment
@@rigatoni_joe5090 Para-308 getting its 3 speed two-tap back moment (ext barrel bumps the dmg to just past 50)
@@cptTK421 and the commando gets a 2 armor 2tap
As a Hibana main you'll get used to the 21 bullets and can stop shooting at 20 so you will get the really fast reload. The reload is so good that the 21 bullets arent that bad and because you have evey scope option you can play with longer distances with this gun which also makes reloading safer the the horizontal really is also something you can adjust to if you play that weopon alot and learn it. Its muscle memory like any other recoil in the game
I always find it freaky how often I stop shooting with 1 bullet left, it's scary how well I know that gun
@@MrMegakickass one of the best Feelings is opening a bareicade with those 20 Bullets and fast reloading after that
i used to main her but like the shotty still use it more then the at
Funny how its just natural for anybody who mains Hibana to just stop at 20 lol wish she got a 30 round mag for the 89F
It only comes with a 20 round mag cuz that’s what fal comes with
I think it's worth noting that horizontal recoil is best when it is slightly exaggerated. If a curve is too subtle then it becomes actively difficult to micro adjust for, whereas with something like the type 89 you have a lot of room for error. It's a lot of horizontal recoil, but it's large enough that the deviation won't change how you control it too much. Other guns with more subtle patterns are often easy to overcompensate with because of how the recoil diamond works in this game.
Damn, this video just oozes with style, effort, and the classic Gregor Gaming Experience charisma. Well done man.
14:59 "If I had to pick another weapon on Hibana, I would not pick the type 89". I agree
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Because it's not another weapon, it's the same weapon
I think it would be helpful to only include the same number of bullets/x seconds (like rpm but in seconds) so that the muzzle climb can be accurately compared across the fire rates and muzzle rize per bullet.
If two guns rise the same amount per bullet, the higher firerate has worse recoil because that same rise occured faster, thus rises faster.
yeah agree, 2 weapons can have the same pattern but if vector shoots 1000rpm and some rifle shoots 650 rpm, then obviously vector is even almost twice as hard to control
Honestly I really love the ar33 thanks to how easy it is to hit headshots and how aggresive it feels to use
I have always loved that gun
Tier list videos are fire. Keep em coming!
Can't believe the F2 in its current state isn't lower, in the F2 tier. I remember the times when one could hit the broad side of a barn with it.
This video vindicates everything I have been telling my friends about the AR’s relative to each other. Thanks for the Checkmate, Gregor
i find it interesting how you included the POF-9 in there (classed as an ar, technically an smg) but you didn't include the K1A (classed as an smg, technically an ar) or the Commando-9 and AUG A3 (both classed as ar's while being technically smg's like the pof), other than that great vid, couldn't agree more with the statements against the hivemind when it comes to high rof guns. Can't wait for the SMG vid
I think the AK-12 is exactly where it needs to be as the recoil can get to you when shooting at a distance but close to mid range it's a very formidable weapon
Ak-12 is a really good gun especially when used with ace turns him into a top tier operator
Ubi decided to make the 300IQ decision of taking the vertical grip off the F2 and nerfing the AUG while giving Twitch another drone.
M4 is cursed for me. I never hit a shot with it, spraying all over ops but not hitting.
You're filling the role of rouge-9, thank you.
“There is no Rouge-9.”
The only thing I hate about the Tactical Tuna Boat being in S tier is that Ubi is gonna see this and drop the nerf cannon on my boi zero
zero is already suffering tho fucking imagine if they nerf him LMAO
I do think that you should have considered the scope variety of each gun, also what about Mozzies commando? (Good video btw)
Mozzies is an smg
@@bigfootwithwifi7569 when you go to view the loadout it says under commando 9 “Assault rifle” so Im pretty sure it’s an assault rifle
My bad
@@bigfootwithwifi7569 lol all good man I almost thought it was too for a sec ngl
It shoots a 9mm or some kinda small round though which is prob why it isn’t here. Same with the k1a, listed as an smg but shoots a 5.56
A shame the mid season balancing will mess up this whole list 😕
Hey Gregor! Could you put what operators use the gun you are talking about on the side for those of us who are newer, and don’t know the guns by names yet?
There’s a picture at the top of the operator, whilst still not the most useful for new players gives some identity to match up with in game, hope that helps somewhat 🙂
@@droopybeagle some yeah. My question was mostly for the guns that are used by multiple ops. But this does help
My personal favorite ARs are definitely the F90, the C7E and the M4
Ive always preferred lower rate of fire for higher damage, also why i prefer AK's over AR based weapons. (exception is the AK12-200).
Hey greg, after the new patch you can put the 552 Commando, SC3000K, M4 and PARA308 in S Tier. 2 Shot kills against 3 speeds at close range with kong barrel
commando is on a tier of its own now, 2 shots to 2 speeds
I approve of the thumbanail and AK-12 rank you have been spared from my visiting to your hostage situation
great work, sad that it will be partially outdated with the next update (Wamai/IQ AUG recoil nerf, F2 loses vert. grip) but I guess that's always how it goes ^^
Where did u hear this ? 😂
@@TaeGoCrzy Ubisoft Y7S4.2 designer's note (not sure if I can Share links here)
@@TaeGoCrzynew video on coreoss channel explaining it
Bruh extended barrel is meta now
@@bing4580 ya, I can see it being just a buff to everybody man. It's gonna be insane
It's still bonkers hearing the 416c described as kind of underwhelming when it was so dominant for so long.
Finally a tier list where it's less personal opinion more hard stats, nice work.
when firing modes was still a thing in r6 me and my buddies would set the type 89 to single fire and joke about how its our favorite dmr
Nice! Thanks Gregor, been excited for this one
I literally cannot complain about this list at all. It is 100% accurate in my eyes.
Man Ubi really did the SCAR-H dirty.
Absolutely loving your weapon tier list videos, thanks for the great content and thoughtful approach.
It would be very helpful if you would display the gun name and operators that use it as you talk about them.
Once had someone accuse me of having recoil macros for killing them with the V308. Had to genuinely ask them if they've ever played as Lion before
Love the effort of this video, I'm just excited/nervous/y ubi about the change they're doing to extended barrel
2 things:
1) I think you missed the commando 9
2) Mk17 recoil pattern changes when using the shield correct?
trying to get back into the game and this helps
I’d honestly drop the AUG a tier, only because it blocks 25% of my screen
Thank you I feel the sc3000k is so underrated
Super well made video. Just got black ice on the sc3000k last night and I couldn’t be happier with it
Does stance affect spread? Ex. Standing vs crouch vs prone? Any climb/spread deviation?
With the new season hip fire is the same among all stances. Don't know about ads but if there is it wouldn't be that big of a difference anyway.
As of Solar Raid, stance no longer effects hip-fire spread, and to my knowledge, stance has never had any effect on weapon recoil.
(Hip-fire spread is the represented by the size of your white crosshairs when you are not ADS'd. I believe that moving and changing stances still increases hip-fire spread, but I'm not entirely sure about that after the Solar Raid changes. Recoil is the climb/drift exhibited by a weapon as it fires. ADS'ing removes spread completely as bullets will always fire directly from the center of your crosshair but recoil moves your crosshair as you fire.)
Very cool tier list, expect they released new designer notes at the exact same time as the video. RIP
I've been saying since day 1 that the SC3000K is basically the AK12 with a smaller mag, and now that the AK12 has been nerfed so much the SC3000K is is one of the best guns in the game. Good to see someone crunching the numbers to confirm that.
Greg: Makes an AR tier list
Ubi: Makes a series of nerfs, buffs and scope changes
You placed my favourite exactly where it belongs. The boat floats comfortably above most
Gregor you think the extended barrel buff will affect your ranking
All this years i had a feeling that Siege is an FPS that isn't about weapons
Thanks for filling the gap rogue 9 left
Wait, what happened to R9?
6:36 Wamai doesn't have the 1.5
Yep I confirm that he doesn't have it
@@TaeGoCrzy No, he can't
@@jowell6921 weirdo😂
@@TaeGoCrzy silver
I have an answer to why everyone thinks the Spear was a laser, and tho this quote is old, it still applies:
“Everyone says it’s a laserbeam but that’s because of her drugs”
From when Finka boosts gave you less recoil. It turned the spear into an undeniable laser. But the same can be said for every weapon in the game at the time
I get the argument with the F2, but I still love Hibana’s gun. It’s got decent recoil but it’s incredibly easy to master, especially with a flash hider which makes a massive difference on that gun specifically. The reload time is fast if you don’t empty the mag, and with hibana’s flank type play style, I rarely have to take more than 1 enemy at a time. She’s my most played operator and I have like a 65% headshot percentage with her, 40+ damage on body shots with fast rate of fire makes it arguably the best body shot killer in the game as well
Finally, a game that gives the L85A2, the finest NATO assault rifle ever made, the respect it deserves.
Ngl Spear was at least A tier until Ubi decided to kill it because Finka had it.
L8 and V3 my two fav weapons, great taste my man🙏
Type 89 with Acog is definitely S-Tier
The least good thing about the m4 is that it's on maverick
I respect that you based this tier list on the average player's experience, crosshair placement, and skill level; but I'm always going to prefer fighting a gold with a Vector .308, vs. an F2, C8, or AK on both PC and Xbox. Then again, 80% of my experience comes from Xbox where literally everybody is cheating. P.S. I'd put the G36C in A tier, and w/ personal bias I'd put it to S tier on controller.
MEKEL?!?
On the type 89 what muzzle were you using? Comp is broken asf on the t 89ype
I'm still mad they didn't just give ace another gun because they went and ruined a gun that was designed for a 3 armour op
Funny how most of these AR's kill in 3 shots but when im in a match i can unload almost my whole mag into someone and they would still be alive.
Been coming back to the game and had fun in lower elo, rhis helps me with catching up to the meta. Would you mind making a operator tier list too, please
Can you do a video for the changed extended barrel and its damage buff on how usefull it is for whom?? Much appreciated and love your amazing content
Oh man, the L85 is quite a bit better than the AR33? Well that's a shame, can't use the L85 because I have black ice for the AR33.
How does Ubi think the POF9 is an assault rifle
Man this is a lot of work wow, we need content like that
8:57 PREACH GREG
You know what’s funny? In the description for Blackbeard’s MK17 CQB, the rifle’s performance is explained as “high damage and severe recoil”. Ironic.
I’m a Blackbeard main, and honestly, no matter how much I want to chew Gregor out for putting it so low, I know for a fact that he’s right.
Also, fun fact: I’ve managed to ace with the MK17 before, but when it comes to using the C7E, L85A2, M4, or any other S-Tier weapon, I’ve never aced with them before. Don’t get me wrong, they are statistically WAY better than the MK17, but at the end of the day I think it comes down to what weapon the player has spent the most time with, and for me, the MK17 is that weapon.
Alright, I think I’m done now. Sorry for taking so long.
Bro put the arx, the f2, and gridlocks f90 in the same rank. Just lost all credibility. - consistent diamond/champ player
Hate that Ubisoft was waiting specifically for this video to release the Extended Barrell update
Thanks again for great content, Greg
I really do enjoy Iana's AR. Definitely my favorite. Something about the recoil and rpm just fits so well. AK-12 is my second favorite for same reason, followed by the 50 drum mag vector that log biceps has, and my final attacker main is Hibana, and I definitely think she needs some kinda buff, with her Gadget and slightly to the AR, but I still really enjoy playing her
I watched the entire video. Nice work 👌
F2 just got its foregrip removed.
So whats the rating now?
Very agreeable tier list, good job Gregor!
Now, im not saying that the damage system is bad, but I'm looking at the list of guns that use similar calibers (ie the .308 and 5.56 guns) and I'm just reminded of how Insurgency has ballanced its guns out. Completly different game, yes, *but* there is something to be said for the M16A4, FAMAS, AUG, G36, M4A1, ect all having the same calibers and by extension the same damage in a similarly "realistic" or "tacticool" shooter. Reballancing things like that wouldnt work for siege, but reballancing to a similarly made system for a Siege 2 would be more interesting.
with the new m4 buff maverick is gonna go crazy
I cant believe he went from Better Call Saul to making the best tier list, Bravo Vince!!!
Any chance for bookmarks? I can't recognize all of the guns from looking at final product and I have the attention span of a 5 y/o so can't remember all the information in the video.
The para-308 was the exact same as the lmg in terms of damage output, but had more attachments, less scopes and a smaller magazine, so it could reload faster. This was made for the more aggressive capitaò players. Now it's a mumbo jumbo selection of idk if the designer notes are to go through
I don't recognize the guns - could you tell us which guns are in the top two rows?
content like this makes me want rouge-9 to come back keep up the good work
I just put the compensator on the POF-9 and go for headshots. It works surprisingly well
can u pls write in the description which operators have certain gun. that would help a lot
Big Fire Rate has propagandised me Greg. Thank you for your objective take on the rifles, I'll deffinatly use some of this info for my loadout choices.
Shoulda waited for the mid season patch with the extended barrel
I wish you went into this with Rogue-9, I know he isn’t doing much siège content since that whole controversy a few years back, but he is a STATS N E R D L O L!! He would be so enthusiastic abt stuff like this and cuz he’s also into real guns,he tries to match the irl counterpart. 😓 yeah…he would be so enthusiastc to do more stuff like this…
Maestro: ‘’melt maestr- dafuq did I ever do to you tho!?’’😰
I have a love hate relationship with jager, he’s so good but I’m so bad with his 416 and it’s horrific kick
I can't use the V308 well because my brain refuses to take the concept of a 308 vector seriously
Keep up the great work, thanks man!
My brother in Christ I can’t see the person flanking me with that big ass AUG in my way
“C7E is an s tier if you can handle the upward climb” Um what climb?
Yours doing god's work, i've waited for a video like this
And now that you’ve done this they release a patch increasing extended barrel damage by 15%, giving some guns the ability to 2 shot 😂 gotta redo this video
This video justifies my cringe when I see people choose the MP7 over the Tuna Boat.
Thank you, Gregor.
Any plans for overwatch stuff? Would love to see you play more shooters especially the how to play x hero
What’s the name of the attachment skin, the one with white on the optics and light blue on the rest?
What do you all think about changeing Lions gun to a normal vector that Mira also has bu keeping the 50 rounds mag?
Would it be too OP?
And all of this data will be useless next mid-patch when guns like 552 2 hit body shot kill.