Rainbow Six Siege SMG Tier List
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- Опубліковано 20 чер 2024
- Takes the recent extended barrel changes into account, particularly the 9mm C1 and UZK's ratings are affected.
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Rainbow Six Siege SMG Tier List
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0:00 Test Methodology
1:23 9mm C1
2:12 9x19VSN
2:43 AUG A3
3:03 Commando 9
3:39 FMG-9
4:23 K1A
4:54 M12
5:36 MP5
6:13 MP5K
6:50 MP5SD
7:18 MP7
7:59 MPX
8:34 Mx4
9:10 P10 RONI
9:55 P90
10:36 PDW-9
11:04 Skorpion EVO
12:01 T5
12:26 UMP45
13:07 UZK
13:46 Vector - Ігри
Well obviously three of the tests don't have vertical grip on by mistake HOWEVER if anything that solidifies their rating because they were already rated high without the vertical grip, so with a vertical grip the recoil is gonna be even easier to manage.
What about the secondary smgs’
@@joshswanson4719 I imagine he'll eventually do a secondary tier list
this is awesome video. can you make an smg tier list next.
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yeah one sec
You mean LMG or are you genuinely being dumb...or is there a joke I'm missing out on
4️⃣head
I second this idea. Either that or an SMG tier list
It would be really cool to see an operator ranking list using metrics from these lists as well. Cool stuff greg
All that’s needed is the pistol tier list. Hope to see it!
He's going to make a pistol tier list and suddenly every pistol will get rebalanced. This the curse of Gregor.
what about LMG's?
@@alien_in_white_3 ah shit how did I forget about those?
@@mr.randomperson9900 how many LMG's are in the game? 10? 15? I think about the same amount as DMR's
@@alien_in_white_3 7
Can you do a melee tier list next? Thanks.
Sledgehammer S tier
Nah, Amaru grapple window kick is better
Zero karambit s tier
Imo, oryx dash still makes the cut as it is a technique making use of his body to impact other people, solid s tier
I dunno guys, holding a grenade and standing next to an enemy is pretty goated
I think the tier list should have defaulted to extended barrels for guns that could use it. Also scopes are important, the fact that mp5 for rook has 2x is huge. Also, mp7 with extended is S+.
the extended barrel change isnt even out yet
@@milkypickle9654 he's playing on the tts
It’s a 15% damage boost, most guns that 4 shot 1 armours will most likely only take 3 shots. Plus the recoil is the same as no barrel vs extended barrel because of no recoil mitigation, I’m sure you can do the math yourself
@@jetflash100 oh my bad didnt realize
This extended barrel buff is really going to change the gun meta around, or so I'm hoping. It's going to be worth it for some guns, not for others. I'm excited to play around with our options and see which guns benefit most.
When will it not be worth it? It literally is going to boost damage insanely. And no gun that had the extended barrel really has recoil that requires a different barrel attachment.
The ump is the most impacted smg the ARs are benefit the most
@mr.randomperson9900 I think it's going to depend on shots to kill. Say you can down an operator in 3 shots vs 4, it'll be worth it. If not, just run silencer instead. I'd probably run it on most guns anyway but I'm sure you get the idea.
@@mr.randomperson9900 Dealing 29 dmg is a 4 shot to kill, dealing 32 dmg is still a 4 shot to kill. It's a buff, but not every gun is going to see a better TTK
@Mr. random person You'll be surprised. 1 shot on target is better than 6 shots that miss! With guns that have more recoil you'll really need to either get VERY good at recoil control or fire in short bursts.
Your point about Nøkk with the FMG is correct, I simply don’t want to use her weapons. I would like for her to get a suppressed variant AR. Much like echo has the MP5SD, I think maybe Jagers AR but with a integral suppressor would be cool and give people more of a reason to play her. That or maybe give her an SD version of the F90? I think the FMG is fine on smoke cause the shotty loadout is meta.
if you want an integrally supressed ar i'd say the honey badger would be a perfect fit (it would also make sense since her model has always had standard ar-15 type mags for some reason), if not maybe it's more rare soviet cousin, the AS Val, would also be a great fit
Imagine nokk use AR with one hand when she using her gadget(unless ubi change the animation but we know that they're lazy)
@@pagaz7620 maybe they could do it so either they force you to use her pistol like cav or just don't have any animation and different grip like vigil
@@pagaz7620 the honey badger or 416 is compact and when she ADS she puts the barrell on her other forearm, I think it would work no problem
Honestly she should get the PDW. Before the recoil nerf, the FMG was fantastic. But now it's kinda ehh
It's been great watching this channel grow since like 2017 and seeing Greg's editing, scripts, and just confidence in his voice just get better good shit greg
Man, i miss Rogue-9 so much.
Why did he stop posting? haven't paid attention to siege for like 2 years
He was accused of harassment towards an Ubisoft employee (i dont know how true that is) and everyone (ubi in the first place) turned their backs to him, so he eventually stopped posting.
Skorpion is doing much better now with the compensator buffs! Mid-range you can reliably spray an area without it suddenly jumping to the side. Great up close with 40 rounds even if the fire rate means it runs out quick. If you can resist magdumping it will leave enemies full of holes.
🎶 I shot a bunch of SMGs at a wall 🎶
🎶 To generate ranks and tiers for them all 🎶
This comment is perfect
Greg:"commando is obviously a smg"
Also Greg:"K1A is smg if u think otherwise u looked it up on wikipedia"
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@GGE good stuff bro keep it up
Well actually 🤓☝️
love these videos. can't wait for the SMG tier list
haven't played the game in a few years, glad to see they finally added a testing grounds
More quality GGE content, always a great day when the man uploads.
Interesting Frost’ SMG is in the C tier but has the highest KD on defence by far as per the latest notes but I totally agree with your placement.
I agree, I believe due to it's very easy recoil it is easier for a large number of players to get a lot of mileage out of it. I guess it also supports the "Its better to hit the enemy with a bad weapon then to miss with a good weapon" mindset
According to the gun stats the placement at c tier makes sense. And personally, I really don't get why ubi is making balancing decisions based on gun kd, like that doesn't translate to an op being powerful. Frost having higher gun kd is probably because she's picked very less (I don't have definitive proof, but this is probably it). Out of 10 rounds, if you pick Frost 1 time, got 3 kills with the C1 and died, that is 3 kd. In the same 10 rounds if you pick vigil 7 rounds, got 14 kills with k1a and died all 7 rounds, that's only 2 kd. See what I mean? and even in my example vigil cannot be balanced based on this gun kd because he is a Fragger, and he's supposed to get kills (and ubi did actually nerf the k1a previously based on gun kd)
Unless they track kills she gets finishing off trapped attackers differently, that's probably boosting her SMG's KD a bit too.
We gotta get the map tier list, lmgs, and include machine pistols if u do a sidearm list
Great video, after your AR video I’ve been playing Zero with the AR and my kills per match have boosted!
Great content G
A wise man once said "the best smg is the one we made along the way"
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Good stuff, thanks Greg!
Nice vid Greg. Question, should you think nokk should get a surpressed ar? If so should they balance it out with her only using her pistol when using her gadget?
Interesting how the Vector's 1200 rate of fire makes it powerful, despite a low magazine size, while the Skorpion also has a high fire rate with a larger mag, despite being rated so much worse. The Skorpion is kind of impossible to control, though.
Recoil is the main reason vector is better. Scorpion is so uncontrollable its ridiculous
Wait scorpion is uncontrollable i run angled grip on it and I'm chillin
It gonna lie, I was literally just thinking about an smg tier list from Gregor a few days ago and what do you know? Perfect timing
I just started watching the tier lists and get this crazy video
I'd be curious about a gadget ranking or overall operator ranking from both attack and defense!!
I love how this is already out of date since the extended barrel buff.
Love these thanks for the content
I think you let the numbers (especially RoF) affect the ratings too much here.
The T5 has recoil on par with the RONI, an above-average fire rate, and better damage than the Mx4. Easy S.
In my experience, the Vector shakes a lot, even in 6-8 round bursts with the compensator on. Still an excellent gun, but it's not on par with the other S-tiers for ease of use or mag size. I'd put it in like an A+ tier.
The K1A has worse damage and fire rate than the 416 and while its recoil isn't high, it's also not downright inconsiderable like the AUG, commando, C1, RONI, or VSN. C tier.
The C1 packs a good ranged punch that lets Frost stand out among defenders on longer sightlines (14m+) and also has super easy recoil, so much so that you can throw on the extended barrel and the angled grip and still feel just about nothing even at spawnpeeking range. B tier at least.
The RONI deserves A tier. Its low mag size is a big flaw, but it's got a very fast reload (even from empty) to dull that a bit. Unless three operators push you within a second from diferent angles, you probably won't even notice it.
The FMG-9 does have good damage, an average fire rate, and a standard mag paired with a fast-ish reload. Unfortunately it also has just enough kick that the sharp, inconsistent horizonal recoil gets tough to manage on the sticks, making ranged engagements or targets in cover annoying for anyone using the FMG-9. C tier imo. Nøkk deserves better.
The VSN's ttk and ease of use are
both pretty solid. It does have a higher ttk than the FMG-9, but the VSN has rock solid controllability going for it, as well as the ability to run the angled grip+suppressor ehile barely suffering at longer ranges. A tier for sure.
I was also thinking this. Most of the gun placements make sense, but frosts gun and the 9x19 are so nice to use imo, I would've put the 9x19 in A tier not B, it's a solid all round gun and easy to use.
Frost is great with longer range and I barely notice the lower RoF. The vector on the other hand is almost impossible for me to use, it chews through the mag so quick and you need to pull down much more than other guns.
I know my gun skills are hot garbage, so having guns that kick up fast I can't use, which is why the slower RoF guns are much more successful for me.
vector has 0 recoil, wdym
Great video as always but is it possible for us to get a sniper tierlist. It would make for a very interesting discussion.
Would love to see a list more fitted to controller recoil control. Controlling recoil on controller much different than m&k
However the recoil itself is lesser.
Yeah, I feel like low recoil guns are more important on lower Elo console. I do extremely well with my K:D for both frosts gun and the UMP because of that compared to all the others. Whilst the vector I agree is still good, sometimes that recoil burst is hard to control when doing quick bursts around the mirror
i like how the comments about the k1, but even though its in 556 im pretty sure SK actually has it designated as an smg
MAR is weird category of guns for sure. K1 Daewoo is considered as SMG because ROKA (Korean Army) designated as SMG, but in reality, it uses 5.56 mm NATO rounds so most would see it as assault rifle. It still won't be an error to see as SMG though.
Great video!
what about 11 and 12? Or do you count those as machine pistols?
Super informative and useful video Greg. Any reason why vert grip wasn’t used on the MPX, Mx4, PDW…?
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He forgor
dude its 2am why am i ranking rainbow smgs
THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO
I’m enjoying these videos. When I die because I’m terrible at this game, I’ll take comfort in knowing how many shots it would have taken for me to get the kill. Thank you and hope you’re feeling better.
Me dying as Alibi wondering why I’m not getting kills with a Gregor certified S tier gun
Alright Gregor, now when is the melee siege tier list?????
If your doing all weapons, I guess pistol tier list is next? I would love to see that since some pistols are pretty crazy
It’s weird my K:D ratio is always the highest of any gun when I use frost, that things slow but it works so well for me.
Skorpion with comp is insanely good. Idk if you used it in the video, but its def worth visiting
it’s 2 am, i have work in 2 hours, haven’t slept in 3 days but i need to know what smgs gregor thinks is the best
dawg go to sleeo
@@kisen00 Na I'm legit in the same position a day later, omw to work in like 2 hours lmao
@@crabelol i pray for u
Can we get an acs tierlist next?
What if they changed the P90 and MP9 to have a special damage buff against people wearing Rook armor or other 3-armors? Maybe not the most balanced, but cool flavor given what it was designed for.
You said you'd use vertical grips, and you do on some subguns, but the mpx and mx4 both don't have it?
So if I’m playing rook or doc I should run the p90 over the mp5? I’ve been using the mp5 recently and if the p90 is better I’m gonna swap
I was confused with Mozzie's commando. Basically, it is an AR platform coverted to an smg.
Bro which attachment skin is that?? Is it the universal purple attachment skin or the battlepass one ?
I love the ump, it's even nicer with the division skin
I remember when the mpx did like 34 damage on realest that was crazy man
I will say it would make more sense to have a b- B and B+ considering how many were put into B-tier and it seemed like they weren’t equal to others i b-tier but not good enough to get to A
The 9x19 is my personal favorite gun in the game. It’s the reason I main Azami and Kapkan when he’s not banned in low ELO😊
cant wait until that stendo barrel buff comes out and you have to make that AR vid again
Smgs seem to be very well baclanced
Are you using dif attachments? Mx4 didnt have a vertical and mp7 i coulda swore had a flash, while vsn had a vertical and had no muzzle
I do have to ask do you believe in the real feel of guns.
Because mp7 iron sights. And p90 extended barrel have massive real feel
I see you with that Senpai Gaming Media music
Very impressive, now let's see Paul Allen's tierlist
When are we getting the pistol tier list
I love mx4, the first 15 bullet are almost straight recoil, with close combat it can out play ace assult rifle and jackal's weapons. Well in my place 😅
As an Ela main i'd rather use frost or castle smg than her at this point
If you do another one of this kind of videos can you use the weapons whit no camos and no atachments pls?
Commando-9 whit the extended barrel is just nice and the damage bonus is sick in my taste is solid A tier
what are the best guns statistically?
Glad to know that the p90 is good. I will officially stop using the MP5 on dock and probably less on rook(that 2x tho)
is there a reason you missed the SMG12 SMG11? Bearing 9 and SPMG and the other one vigil has as a sec are machine pistols so i understand that but the SMG 11 and 12 are both smgs
NATO pilled is pretty good I'm going to use that
Weird how a month later frosts gun is like one of the best smgs with extended barrel and has a 1.5x sight and has like 0 recoil
Is LMG or pistols next?
Ah hello fellow Gregor
Oh ye, anotha grega upload
LMG tier list soon? 👀
Need a pistol tier list
tier list on which op can squirt the farthest when?
Secondaries tier list when
Gregor, do you think it's reasonable to run mp7 over the AR on Zero? My friend runs it all the time and idk if I should be upset or not because the mp7 is also a good gun.
You shouldn't. It's preference, he has the right to play the game how he wants
@@crunch.dot.73 right, idc if we're just having fun, but from a competitive lens, is there an objectively better option?
@@thanosdakilla9672objectively SC is better
I became a castle main after the SSG Canadian of them yelling at their opponent "I just killed you with the worst gun in the game"
Mozzie does have an ar technically. It is modified to use a smaller round.
sounds like mr worldwide
The commando 9 is an AR-15 just with an 9mm magazin , thats why its an AR
But it plays more like an smg
Vector with 1.5 and extended barrel on goyo is hilarious
Lmg tier list next??
havent played siege in a minute, when did zof become a 3 armor??
I don’t know why, but when I run extended barrel on mp5k I struggle a lot to control the recoil. Think it’s cause I’m on console.
As someone who hasn't touched an actual game of Siege in over a year, it feels a little wrong seeing Zofia listed as a three armor
pretty balanced
Secondaries tier list when??
I agree with all your ratings, despite my liking of some guns including mozzies commando and the scorpion I cannot deny that the seems mediocre comparatively. I still wish they'd give ela something instead of nerfing her into the ground all the time, if your gonna make her shotgun ass at least give her scorpion a little more to root for. All I ask is a little less horizontal, nothing much, just a little bit to make her somewhat more appealing cause thorn is better in almost every way. Or if your gonna make both her guns mid at least give her gadget something.
Are you kidding me? The silenced fo12 I believe doesn’t lose its range and with the improved extended is gonna make her a sg must pick since she’s 3 speed also
@@chavonjames8941 Ela's a 2 speed now after the thanksgiving turkey nerf that a bunch of operators got
@@chavonjames8941 and that's gonna be taken away, just you wait.
@@raccoononi4307 yeah I saw Zof as a 3 armour earlier…idk how to feel abt that when she was perfectly fine as a 2-2 but who am to say anything right
The reason the Commando 9 is considered an assault rifle is because it's an M4 with a conversion kit to make it fire 9mm. Technically it's an SBR, but it's Ubi so
the commando 9 and the aug a3 both have conversion kits, and are classed as rifles, the pof-9 and pdw-9 are both 9mm ar platforms without conversion, but for some reason one is a rifle and the other is an smg
So where's the shield tier list?
The Aug a3 is also considered an assault rifle ingame isn't it
Only assault rifles on defence are Jäger's ar
Mozzies commando Wamai's Aug and Thunderbirds Spear
@@its_sun7906 mozzies commando shoots 9mm though, it doesn't really feel like a rifle
@@its_sun7906 vigils is listed as an AR as well
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It's the PARA variant of the AUG
new to siege and i got black ice p10 roni is that good?
skins dont make a gun better or worse
Iron sights tierlist when???
I would put the skorpion at A tier
Aim center mass at the end of a hallway and let the 40 rounds and high rpm talk
As long as you have trigger discipline there wont be that harsh end of burst recoil
But I'm console so different recoil and all
The K1A in game and in real life are boht listed as AR's. the commando i understand as its firing a smaller caliber with more dropoff DPS but the K1A doesnt. also, the mpx is not a mp5 variant. its essentailly a shrunk down version of an M4 using 9mm. Also, Love the video, couple of the guns should be moved around based on the operator that they are on. Seems like youre ranking these based on if any oP could use these like in COD but thats not the case. Would love to see a video where you take in the most important factor, the operator who weilds it.
Once you finish all the guns, you should try them with a controller. Just asking because I dont play on pc. I don't think they would be that different but who knows?
it’s the same on controller
My main go to is goyo vector with 1.5x its so easy to hit heads I tell ya
Vector iron sight is so good