The RTX 4080 is ridiculously Bad Value
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- Опубліковано 10 чер 2024
- We have to talk about Nvidia's new RTX 4080 graphics card, because this GPU is priced beyond ridiculous. We will compare it to previous Nvidia 80-class GPUs and take a closer look at the RTX 4080 VS RTX 4090.
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0:00 Intro
0:30 RTX 4080 vs previous GeForce 80-class GPUs
2:52 4080 VS 4090
4:32 4080 value conclusion
ComputerBase RTX 4080 review (German): www.computerbase.de/2022-11/n...
All performance numbers mentioned in the video are based on ComputerBase launch reviews. - Наука та технологія
Bad value? It's TERRIBLE value... Nearly doubling the price of the XX80 series card in just one generation is absolutely outrageous.
Pretty clear Nvidia priced their new 40 series as if the crypto boom was in full bloom. It isn't... Essentially, Nvidia wanted to cut the scalper middle-men out, and become the scalpers themselves.
That last sentence is probably 100% true.
yeah nvidia are c0ompletely delusional. They would only be able to get away with this if there weren't any more compeitition in this space. But AMD is offering something about as good for at least a couple hundred bucks less.
I kind of agree, but also, a lot of people can't buy a card at MSRP, you can still to this day buy a 3090ti that will cost more and perform less.
I mean if you are going to spend over 1000 dollars on a gpu you would be better off buying a 7900xtx or rtx 4090 because for the price the 4080 is pure trash and should have been 800 dollars.
its a 70 card, its not even an 80 card.
It shouldve been a 699$ msrp card
Can't find the 4090 anywhere though ..
@@305Padrino then just wait for 4090s to restock or get a 7900xtx and over clock the hell out of it to 3000 mhz and it will probably be faster than a 4090. AMD could have released the cards at 3000 mhz as that is what the cards are designed for but they chose not to to save power. people dont realise that nvidia tries to make the clocks go as high as they can right out of the gate and thats why overclocking headroom on an nvidia gpu is virtualy non existant.
I mean the 4080 is better than a 3090 and cheaper than 3090... But no one complained about the 3090
I absolutely am taking a hard pledge against these ridiculous prices and will not be buying any new nvidia cards if they become complacent with this kind of insanity moving forward. I am fully prepared to go team red from here on out if this is how they plan on treating me and I hope others decide the same. The fact that anyone is even buying these cards really irks me, we as consumers need to take a stand at some point, and if not now then when?
The majority are scalpers buying these cards. And nvidia acting like sales of the 4090 is great. Of course they are, bots scooping them up online gives a huge impression of "sales figures"
Then there is the possibility that they also lie about how much stock they put on their website.
Very nice graph you made from the 1080 to the 4080!
Great infographics and overview of the crazy prices of these video cards.
Comments like this remind me that Idiocracy warned us.
I'm in the Kansas City metro, and the Microcenter here (Overland Park) has about 90 RTX 4080s in stock. Nobody wants it.
You nailed it.
Greed took everybody's mind around and inside NVidia.
And it seems to me AMD wants to adopt the insanity too.
Why on earth would they want to sell a video card with a price of a very performant computer bought new?
2000$ for a 4090 video card? that's insane.
And 4080 is even more ridiculous.
Was planning to get a new rig next year,,, and although I could afford it the current pricing is way too high... while the new CPUs are good value getting a new Nvidia GPU is a big NOPE for me.
And yes like you said maybe AMD s cards are also too expensive - but it's easy to follow with that after Nvidia set such a ridiculous price for the 4080. Intel needs to become stronk asap
So intel can also cost just as much?
@@raptorzz8571 the more competition the better. If AMD didnt' exist, ngreedia could charge even more for their card; now they're under pressure bc AMD undercut them with the 7900. If Intel was around, they'd in turn possibly try to undercut both AMD and Nvidia. Competition is good.
@@RM-el3gw I do agree that competition is good. I dont think it will bring prices down as much as people hope, that's up to the consumers - which people have been doing with the 4080 and it should hopefully go down in price
It seems they are greedy after the prices were inflated during the GPU shortage of 2020-2021
Wall street analysis I recently read said Apple has conditioned the market to relate $1000+ to quality, and now others are jumping on the bandwagon. If you make 50,000 items cause that's all you can make, price them at $700, and they sell out, they will probably sell out at a $1000 as well. And companies like customers with deep pockets. Again, if they sell out at $1000+ the guy willing to spend $700 and complains, well they just don't want him to be a customer. This is also how free enterprise, capitalism and free market works, and unfortunately people and companies take advantage of it. If you make a steak knife set in the US, sell it for $69 (make it $39) and make a decent profit, move that to china where it costs $3, they don't lower the price to keep the same profit margins, they keep the price the same to maximize their margins. As long as people are willing to pay these prices, and the supply is somewhat limited (they have to buy capacity from Samsung, TSMC, etc) and they sell out, well I think not only are these prices here to stay, they will be tested at higher levels. Remember, scalpers were selling these things for $3000+ and struggling to get more, there is room for prices to go higher. The real wild card is crypto mining, demand dropped a lot from the PoS, but how much? 10%? 50%? 70%? I know miners and gamers spending $3500 for a GPU cause "they have to be in the game" and they got the money. If they don't sell out and sit on shelves, the prices will drop and drop. Instead of competition dropping prices to be competitive, they are matching prices, that is a sign of supply being too low for demand.
Didn't read the whole thing but very well put. It's crazy that people don't realize how greedy the business world is. The rich will do anything to become richer, regardless if it's exploiting gpu prices or the literal homeless🤦🏽♂️
It's insulting that Nvidia thinks we're that stupid . The fact that they unlaunched the 4080 12 gb should be enough for you to realize they don't care and just want the most money they can from consumers.
What price would be good for this GPU?
I would consider anything from $699-799 ok.
less $400-500
see what AMD comes out with Dec 13. Might make the 4080 obsolete.
$1000-$1200 is a good price. When was the last time anyone could buy a 80 series for $600-$700 from a retailer new and off the shelf?
£750 max
Nice Analysis my friend!
Here in spain, the first days u could buy a 3080 for 720~€, with the launch of the 4080 u can buy a XX80 card for 1469€, thats more the double than the 3080 at launch, inbelievable.
Every tech UA-camr has to make this video haha - it's too difficult to ignore the 4080. Nvidia's blunder will cost them market share i think.
Remember, not just overall value matter, overall efficiency also matters. Even 7900 XTX can still sip lower power consumption in typical gaming than TBP listed, under normal setup. Remember too much price increase for teeny tiny performance increase, or increase too big power consumption for last bit of clock speed and performance, is NOT peak efficiency and value. The best combination is to be if you can get 95% of last gen performance while consuming over 50% less TDP, this is peak efficiency. RDNA 3 is built like Max Q on desktop. Focusing on peak overall efficiency. Maybe future GPU I would like to see AD104 performance but sipping WAY less power TDP. Like 90% of performance on both ray traced and rasterization but consuming ONLY 75-105W, and 99.999% performance using only 175W. Remember Zen 4 performance gain at 65W is 75%?
Thank you for this information
Spot on in all your conclusions. AMD should also lower prices of RDNA3 at least a 10% - but I expect them to do it sooner or later. Nvidia may have a large amount of Ampere chips but they also have a race against time because when mid-high SKUs of RDNA3 (7800, 7700) come into play it is game over for them and its Ampere stock. And also let's not forget cards from mining rigs will still be coming in putting even more pressure. It will take a very 'generous' approach from Nvidia to manage their inventory surplus.
Absolutely not gonna happen. Nvidia and amd have monopolies on the GPU market. The fact that amd didn't join Nvidia in abusing said monopoly is a miracle in itself. Amd won't drop their prices. Nvidia will likely, but not until.they have squeezed as much money out of consumers as possible. Unfortunately people are still dumb enough to buy at these prices, 4090 sold 150k units in the first couple weeks, and 3000 series are still selling at ABOVE MSRP 2 years later. Nvidia is smart because if they lower the price, people will start buying thinking it's a deal and not realizing it's still way overpriced. I'm sure there's a business term for that, but nonetheless people are still iffy about buying used, as we see used markets (at least in the us) are not worth it. So NVIDIA is winning hard as.of right now, and it probably wont change moving forward
@@camerinwalker1365 imagine calling a 900 and 1k GPU a miracle? Just how much of a shill are you? The prices to both are horrible.
@@camerinwalker1365 Nvidia is incredibly lucky that the used GPU sellers are all still delusional. If they realize that they wont sell their mining GPUs for 80% MSRP and the prizes start crashing it will immediately put all the new 30 series cards under enormous pressure. Even if people dont really wanna buy the mining cards.
@@craig9365 well the Rx 7900 xtx costs the same as the 6900 xt did originally, so I don’t see how it’s too bad.
@@camerinwalker1365 We are all speculating here. However, to add some logic to my speculation, based on recent Nvidia Q3 report gaming revenue was down 51%. That probably means that their Ampere stock isn't moving. Then, under Lisa Su, AMD has grown to be a very ambitious company. They might see the opportunity to steal some market share from Nvidia. This generation is very promising and high-mid RDNA3 cards will offer much better value than the top Ampere ones (3090, 3090Ti).
I'm a professional user, buying a new PC (AV production) and these products just have a bad performance/cost ratio. I"ll go for an AMD 7xxx or GTX 3060 TI instead.
No one can justify a 1200$ MSRP (=1500 euros retail) product, when there's 500 euro parts that are "good enough".
Comparing previous MSRPs is not an effective metric because it ignores market demand. Sure the 3080 had an msrp of $700, but at that price scalpers swooped in and actually sold them for hundreds of dollars more. The msrp of the 3080 was a market failure in economic terms because the demand was far higher than the supply at msrp. Because of that, scalpers could comfortably take advantage of that and extract the additional profit from the cards. The reality is the higher msrp is a market correction.
Weird. I went to 3 bestbuy and I don't even see it in stocks.
It's gone now
How come the 40 series cards are so huge? They dont even get hot? Yet they are 50% cores, 50% ram 50% die size etc
What makes me dislike about Nvidia GPUs is that those graphics cards can't communicate well with Samsung smart Television but all of the AMD graphics cards have no problem with connecting and communicating with any smart Television.
Uhm one thing. The 80 16gig is cut down as much as a normal 70 card. So your not even getting an 80 card for that insane price your getting a base 70 card just renamed.
Nvidia will never have the 4080 at 699 or even 799... this company is too greedy........
Nvidia thinks we're punks..
Here in Argentina a 3090 is $400 to $500. There's no way the 4080 is a good value unless its valued $700 at most.
Unfortunately the 3090 is still at $1000+ here. I'm surprised people are even buying it
Are you sure about those prices? Everything imported is always stupidly expensive in Argentina...
@@ramr7051 Talking about used probably.
@@insomnia20422 Talking used, correctly!
People ended up buying 3090's in "monthly payments" and now are just giving them away for stupid cheap prices.
@@camerinwalker1365 yea that guy is lying nobody getting a 3090 for under a band so idfk how the 4080 is overpriced, sounds like a lot of bums
I can't believe some people still buying the 4080 it's like a $200 difference to the 4090 in some cards..😵💫
You can say that about virtually any card. I can't believe people are buying the 3050; it's just a few hundred dollars difference from the 3060. I can't believe people are buying the 3060; it's a few hundred dollars cheaper than the 3070. And so on. You can always price creep to a better card. The fact is, some people want a 3080, not a 3090, even though some 3080s cost more than the cheapest 3090s. The vast majority of people aren't going to be able to actually take advantage of the 4090, unless they're doing 3d modelling or similar workloads, or maybe VR. Paying 400 extra dollars for performance you can't concievably use doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I think people just hear this price creep argument and repeat it without thinking for a second about what performance they want and/or need and what it costs in cards currently available.
That said, people paying $1400+ for a 4080 are absolutely wasting their money, unless they just have to have a certain aesthetic.
I think most of those people buying it are "resellers"... all the people I know with more money than sense even are willing to try to wait and find a 4090. I don't know anyone that has bought one with the intention to put it in their build.
Problem is 4090 is out of stock in most european countries. I guess this is clearly intentional from Nvidias part, so ppl actually buy 4080 cards. Will wait it out a month and hopefully get an AMD card instead. Fuck Nvidia and it's pricing.
Nvidia love to go for those dumb consumers. Nvidia should ve pefectly fine because there are so many dummies out there to support then
@@HarryS77 That's kind of cap because 3080 vs 3090 are different market cards. Idk who in their right mind can afford a $2100 computer but can't afford a $2500 computer.
because of the prices of the 3000 series, and the 4090 Nvidia is trying to make the marker theirs.. so happy they are getting the bad press!
Won't change much, but it's a small victory
of course its bad value, the xx80 card should be around £600.
When was the last time that someone could buy a 3080 from a retailer new and off the shelf at $600?
the 3070 i´ve got will be my last nvidea card for a pretty long time.
It's been 10 months and they only dropped it by 100$ on only a few models. It's still terrible value almost a year later.
The economy of my country is melting, so I want to buy a GPU that lasts, what would last more a 4090 limited to 300w (I would lose 10% performance according to benchmarks) or a 4080 since it has fewer components? Cost and performance don't matter, it just can't break.
Get AMD or Intel
A power limited 4090 is FAR faster than any 4080, though I would really suggest waiting for the RDNA 3 stuff and considering one of those.
there's no such thing as not breaking. If you really want to insure it, get a long warranty.
I think they meant it this way though. They want 3000 series cards sold.
The big bad corp is still in control. Lot of people bought 4090 unfortunately. And this makes 3090 and 3080 look good. But also the 6950 XT, if only not for the power it could've dominated the 3080. Just my two cents.
investor call they basically said they were doing this back in September
People glady paid over 1000 dollars for the 3080 that's why the price is that way, AIB were making more off the 3080 than nvidia, because the founders edition still sold at 699, when they all raised there prices, I brought my 3080 directly from ASUS and it was still 1000 dollars after taxes and shipping, now NVIDIA wants those profits the AIBs were getting
if people gladly did that there wouldn't be so much surplus 2 years later.
@@slim420MM There is no surplus, they are in stock because everyone who wanted one already has one
@@slim420MM just checked best buy almost all the 3080 are sold out, except from open boxes, and all the 4080s are sold out, so where is this surplus, microcenter is a niche store not even in most states, so them having stock isn't a drop in bucket since most people can't even go there to buy them
I agree with your comments about the 4080 just think your video came a bit too late. I was expecting you to publish such video before the 4080 launch to hopefully sway those .1% of people damaging the gaming community to not fall for Nvidia’s intelligent marketing schemes. Love your content as usual!
dude, the rush of getting the first shitty word is so toxic for reviews. So happy this guy took his time, made a solid video that will stand the test of time. Not a video to get clicks the morning the embargo lifts.
Nvidia does not want you to buy the 4080, it is not interested, it just wants to sell the overstock it has of the 3090 and 3090 ti
where are they overstocked? they are sold out and not being restocked across many markets. The 3080 and below has plenty of stock but there is very little 3090/TI stock around from retailers.
Yep, Even AMD's Pricing is too high they all are trying to jack up the price by using chip shortage prices as excuse.
4080 12G pricing and so on
1. Sharing same fate as 3070ti - never released
2. 4080 12G would offer over 50perc upgrade over 3070, which would fit Nvidia Pascal moment narrative or real generational upgrade, at 499USD it would offer both great performance improvement and also more memory, as 3070 8G has kind basic mem capacity for modern gpu
(if 4080 16G was 1000USD and 4080 12G is 1/3 worse on specs, than it had be 700USD max)
3. Die size of 4080 12G is lot smaller than one found on 3070, far closer to that one on 3060
4.Bad early sales of 4080 16G show probably both bad reviews effect, better say effect of bad value, but also ceiling at which people wish to spend for just high end gaming gpu
4080 16G would be maybe taken for mercy at 1000USD, at price level of upcoming RX7900xtx
Also need to consider AMD 6800 and 6900 were all same chip w same die size!!
In Europe its raised 699€ to 1469€
If the 4080 ends up falling to around 700 bucks I would probably snag one, but man it is honestly mind blowing how out of touch Nvidia has gotten with these prices... the 4090 isn't any better value gen on gen than the 3090, the only reason people seem to be saying it is a solid value card is because of how incredibly poor everything else around it is at the moment...
A $700 4080 lol
I think thats the 5060ti
@@douglasmurphy3266 fax lmao
Nvidia and scalpers didnt get the memo that the crypto mining gravy train is over.
in simple terms, nvidia is tying to do what scalpers did last gen, Jensen is one greedy bastard
The reason why Nvidia could charge $1500 for the 3090, was because it was the only card with enough vRAM. Customers still bought the 3090 and Nvidia knew they would becuase the 2080 Ti sold like hot-cakes. The fact customers payed inflated prices during mining, gave Nvidia incentive to charge more.
The 4090 is considered a bargain by many. The 4080 is comparably the same less cost vs the same less performance vs the 4090. (Leaning in favour of the 4090.)
People said the same thing about cell phones... "I'll never pay $600 for a cell phone!", yet now they're paying $1000. Welcome to the new normal.
At least cell phones have made improvements to justify those prices. Big improvements in every area almost every generation; and they've gone from phone +web browser in the first iphone, to now also camera, GPS navigator, facetime/Skype/zoom terminal, ipod, legit web browser, payments wallet, basically an all in one solution. Seen from that perspective, the increase in price seems fair.
Graphics cards have gone from gaming/3d devices to that plus crypto mining. But nothing else. Improvements in performance are to be expected year over year, for the same price. What Nvidia is trying to push is not really justified imo. They can get away with it, but come half a year they'll have to maybe let the prices go down somewhat.
Nvidia makes me sick. They don't even have to try because no one is pushing them. These companies are destroying PC gaming for the average gamer, and the only way to change their ways is to stop buying their bullshit. But that'll never happen.
Exactly. People are holding out hope that AMDs offerings will be better, but the fact is that if the 7900XTX has the same gaming performance as the 4080 and is still only 200usd less then its still a rip-off.
That's only MSRP. In reality 4080 is selling between 1500 - 1600 usd. So the difference is going to be more like 300 - 500 usd when 7900XTX launches. Here in Europe its even worse. 4080 starts around 1680€ aka 1700 usd.
@@Matruchus What makes you think the 7900 XTX won’t be marked up to hell too? Be realistic
@@808slumps Depends on the market and AIBs pricing, unless you are in a terrible market like in europe, cards do sell at msrp or just above it with most retailers
7900 XTX will just murder 4080 in performance. It will be about 15-20% better than 4080 for 200 dollars less. Moreover 7900XT will be at the level of 4080 for 300 dollars less.
You can take performance charts from AMD slides and see where it's heading. They were fairly accurate in the past.
$800 is a realistic price for the 4080. $699 would have been very aggressive and Nvidia doesnt need to go there at all.
$800 is still a $100 price bump for way less die size. So the profit margins should actually increase from the 3080.
I agree that it seems like Nvidia just is so incredibly greedy that they also wanna sell all their 30 series for MSRP so the 4080 got this ridiculous price tag.
AMDs 7900XT should be $700 and the 7900XTX should be $850.
And honestly I expect all these GPUs to hit these prices but it might just take quite a while because those companies are not starving for cash so they can afford letting these GPUs rot away on the shelves...
right now the 3080 prices are insance over $1000-$1400 online I mean its ridiculous either way
The 4080 makes me feel better about getting the 4090. Lol. Nvidia basically shit on themselves on this one.
The 4080 was never meant to look like or even be a good product, it's only there to push you one of two directions. 1.You just say F it and buy a 4090 because in reality, a FE will only be $100 more than what the "street value" will be for the 4080 at retail. 2. Push you back to buying an older 3000 series card because nvidia has over stock because they were leaning on mining carrying them which is their own fault for being foolish and thinking that would last.
Yeah mostly just trying to make up for the big failed bet on crypto. I could go on.....but I would just keep going on. Trust me I tried and no one would read that essay of a comment. LOL. Great video btw, very unique take on a heavily covered matter.
7900xtx comes to save us from nvidia
Even though I use rtx 3070 and many nvidia gpus in many years. Nvidia image for me, is kind of a villian company and Jensen is an evil genius. I started hating them.
if nvidia even takes money for adding more performance, then in the rtx 9080 the price should be around $1900. Do they really think that gamers will buy for $1900? Obviously not and they will stop at $1400 or even $1200 because there is already a reason. So why did they buy video cards at overprice 20xx and 30xx? And only miners and people who could afford it, who could earn on these cards more than they are worth, bought them. But not gamers!
Therefore, I expect a top new video card on the day of the announcement, and not 2 years after the release at a price of $700-800. And after 2 years, I expect the top price to drop by $ 150-250 then I could buy this product. At the moment, I'm not ready to buy overpriced goods, Nvidia.
I'm still sitting on 1070 and yes, this is still the weakest point in my PC (I already use 12900k, 1200W PSU)
That’s if you can get a 4090 at MSRP lol
Telling the true story with data…..
In Germany, the 4090 starts at €2,200. The 4080 starts at €1,400. No thanks.
Price gouging by Nvidia....insane.....
I can't give my hard earned $ to a greedy company like NVIDIA. Waiting for AMD and 7900XTX !
I am skipping 4070, the specs are ridiculous. If 5070 will be similar, especially with the low amount of VRAM I will buy AMD.
4090 should be 4080 price
They are so greedy and shameless. I refuse to buy Nvidia after all the 3000 series scandals. I will go with intel for office work and amd for gaming. No Nvidia in my house again!
Good. Let Ngreedia rot.
Let’s get prices back to SANITY.
Even based on their behaviour, contempt for their consumers as a company, I now refuse to give them a dime. (Leave the whataboutism elsewhere. This topic is GPUs and tech).
AMD is the only balance we have now.
AMD is going to be licking there chops! 😂
All the prices suck, people just act like AMD is better because it's lower and because they still want to upgrade and feel good about it.
After i used a 4090 in production I can say that is really good value if you can fit your workload in 24GB. That is not a gaming chip.
The only logic to price 4080 so high is that they knew from the start that 4090 will not be available soon after release and not come close to msrp after that. Thay are really gready with the 4080.
If you're using your system for production workloads why are you not using the workstation class graphics card instead? such as rtx 6000
@@nsuinteger-au It's 6000 euro at a minimum and the new one will be released in spring. I need av1 encoders too.
I bought a 4080 recently because the scalping prices for the 3080/90 is the same price and the 4090 was nearly 2k should I return it? Just so rough to get a gpu nowadays I just got what I could.
You have been scammed, you will regret it when the price drops
2 months later and the 4080 is still a better buy. With the scalping on 4090s and 7900 xtx’s plus the cooling issues on that card, the 4080 at msrp is actually the best value buy for high end gpus.
Nvidia is doing exactly what they said they were going to do a couple months ago. Price 4000 series high so you think the 3000 series is great value. Thus clearing out 3000 series stock. They also made the 4090 as the only choice to buy for performance that makes sense as compared to 4080. Thus Nvidia will get rid of overstock 3000 AND also make money on the gpu with the highest margins in the 4090. All you UA-camrs think Nvidia is failing, think again....
Yeah the 4090 was probably priced to sell itself but the 4080 was priced to segment and make the 30 series sell.
Definitely on nVidia’s plan but better still (for them) they used a 70 class die to make the 4080 rather than a cut down 90 die!!!!
This explains why the coolers seem complete overkill on the 4080 as probably they were originally specified a wattage level to the AIB’s and FE builders that assumed it would be a cut down 90 but later decided they could get away with what would have been a 70 die which doesn’t use as much power hence the discrepancies on stated max power vs actual on the 4080!!!!
nVidia now getting $1200 for a $500 chip. The recent increase in 30xx series card prices shows that nVidia’s tactics are working so instead of being 20% over priced they are now 30% overpriced (eg $380-$450 for a two year old card with MRSP of $329???). Yes their turnover might be down but I suspect their percentage margins are not.
4070 ti at $800
I bought asus 1080ti years ago for 1000$ and still using it, playing on 1080p resolution and have over 144 frames in most games, even then was lot of money for gpu but prices today is just ridiculous, if u are competative and u want hi end PC u need to cash out mininum 8-9k $, and only 4090 is 2500$, so to give that omount of money just to play favourite game on little higher resolution and have same omount of frames like me on 1080p its crazy, il rather buy new car for that money, dont think u will become beast in games and kill everyone just cos u payed 9k$ for new pc...u will suck same as now on older pc...then ur frustration will start cos u spent fortune and u still suck in favourite game 😅
there's no such thing as objective value... I'll never buy a 4080, most people will not buy a 4080, but value is only and always subjective.
If this price trend continues, PC gaming will be dead by 2030. Most PC players are under 30 years old and don't have that type of money.
AMD XTX and xt are overpriced as well, don’t be fooled just b/c they priced them below Nvidia!
People buying out the 4090 are even more idiotic...this is why Nvidis is over-pricing all their products.
Idiots...
4090 offers no ultra 4k ray tracing @ 100+ fps (Cyberpunk 2077). Barely does 50fps.
Of course its bad value, on purpose so you go get the 4090 instead... That's why the shelves are full at micro center.
@@endureuntiltheend86 Always been full, ebay scalpers lost millions with 8% total of stock sold. Retailers can't move stock after day 1 sales. Zotac 4080 has never been out of stock ONLINE lol
Yes buying a 4090 which can burn hole your gpu connector is a better value ? 😂
1200£ card kills 3090ti so good value
The 4080 uses the same coolers as the 4090 so most need to rebuild in a really large case too, adding cost and inconvenience. Nvidia must have targeted higher TDPs as rumoured.
AMD BETTER - NVIDIA PRICE OUTRAGES
I think amd will underperform expectations. Just a hunch.
Anybody forget about insane inflation right now?
this isn't inflation, it's greed-flation. They intentionally over-priced it to force consumers into buying their over-stock of 3080s, or their super expensive 4090.
When people complain that die size got smaller (even though performance and thermals increased), it reminds me of a saying in the audiophile world: use your equipment to listen to music; don't use music to listen to your equipment. If you're playing a game at 4k with high frame rate and ray tracing, but you're salty about having a smaller die size, what are you doing? AMD is using chiplets, and you're salty about a smaller unified die.
It'd be nice if you were transparent about what the performance percentages are based on. Are these just raster numbers? Do they include DLSS? What about frame generation? When you say the "performance increase is quite average," it sounds like you're ignoring a pretty important feature of the card. Where all of these percentages calculated from the same benchmarks? The same games? The same resolution? WIthout knowing that, these numbers are absolutely meaningless.
The odd thing is that other reviewers have looked at this objectively and come to a somewhat different conclusion. According to Techspot, the cost per frame at MSRP at 4k is better than the 4090, 6950xt, 3080ti, and 3090, but worse than 3070ti, 3080, and 6800xt. Its price/performance dips once looking at current prices, being about on par with the 3080ti, but those prices are likely to change, so it may get better or worse. However, you used MSRP, and by MSRP, 4080's cost to performance, once you consider the entire card and not just rasterization, is pretty much in the middle of the pack. It's not as amazing as some of the lower cards, but not as egregious as the higher end cards from last gen. Calling it "ridiculously bad value" isn't an objective conclusion. It's clickbait. There are cases where the 4080 is a terrible value (such as for 1080p gaming), but you didn't even bother making that argument. In your bar graph, you clearly have other tabs for different settings (I can't read German, but "ray tracing" is there). Yet you don't compare value in those other settings. Very odd.
Nvidia rise price, amd follow, what a shitshow,
Nvidia is still living in a dream world where crypto mining is still a thing.
I bought one at micro center it’s awesome
What you are seeing is inflation at work. What I mean is, it is intentionally caused by business. I'm basically seeing a +50% premium left and right... ($13 dog food = $20 yesterday. GTFO). Why is "the economy bad"? Because business is causing it, and a lot of folks either will not or cannot play along.
Buy PS5
Too much focus on pricing complaints, not enough on the awesome benchmarks :)
I think the price is high but not outrageous. Better ray tracing for a $200 premium is worth it for me.
Where are you getting $200 premium. Its a $500 premium over last generation x80 card.
lmao so worth it
$200 over the 7900xtx
@@Drebinx with nvidia's own numbers and third party reviews, the 4080 barely beats the 3090ti in ray tracing and the XTX also gets pretty close numbers, so unless you care about best case scenarios of 10fps more or you need CUDA for work, you are paying 200usd for much worse raster and a minimal increase in RT
If The 7900xtx was so much better than the 4080 AMD would have compared it to it with actual benchmarks
Talk about computers, that is what you know. You are clueless on economics, your MSRP was correct on what the 3080 released at, but just around a year ago you could not get one for much less than 2000 USD, by that standard, it was a huge price cut. The 3090 Ti averages around 1300 USD but has been on sale for around 1100 USD, the 4080 has higher performance and offers new features. Another thing people keep saying is "XX80 cards SHOULD be", says who? What is an XX80 card? It is whatever Nvidia says it is. Thanks to the virus, inflation, miners, supply chain, scalpers GPUs over 1000 USD seems reasonable to the consumer. And before you can say "But the mining craze is over..." the effects of it are not. Nvidia and AMD are sitting on a lot of cards that have higher specs for mining, they are sitting on silicone they had to order for a demand that is no longer there, but to cut to the most basic of basics in economics "Something is worth, what someone else will buy it for" and 4080 is sold out on the major online retailers so people ARE buying it, and as long as that is the case Nvidia has no incentive to lower the price, in fact, they would be stupid to do so and gamers, in the end, would be worse off because profits lead to better and faster designs, profits lead to new plants, profits enable discounts. And I would not count on AMD to ride in on its white horse to save the poor gamers from Nvidias greed -they are in the same boat and are going to charge as much as they can as well, their current pricing is just as absurd, only less than Nvidia and hints that the cards are not as good as AMD fans are thinking they are.
1.Why try comparing to to the resale market..MSRP is MSRP.. Nike’s not bumping their prices on shoes to match reseller price points
2. Why bring up supply in demand if you’re gonna skip over the fact that demand for gpu is down due to mining no longer beings a thing. While supply is high for the 30XX. Pretty basic economic concept.
3. The online retailers were selling to a lot of scalpers and bots for resellers. Notice how micro center seems to have a decent amount of stock like most brick and mortars.
@@thekidruss It would be a 15-hour drive to Micro Center, most locations are in fly-over country, and them ordering too much stock does not mean nobody is buying it. Newegg and Amazon are sold out and they probably got 1000 or more to 1 of what Micro Center received.
MSRP is not set by whiners on UA-cam, it is set by the company -Nvidia, and it can (and did) change because Nvidia and its partners decided why let the scalpers make all the profit and still be sold out. Many Nvidia products are still OVER their MSRP still, though most are close and high-end cards are under. That is what happens when they set a price below the market demand, they sell out and you still do not get one -except at market value from scalpers. IF they priced 4080 at 800 USD you still would not get one at that price.
If scalpers and resellers bought all the online merchants' stock you have proved my point it is worth the 1200 USD or more because they are certainly not going to pay 1200 and sell it for 800.
we need AMD to kick nvidia between the legs, so that they drop the prices, so that I can get my 4090 cheap.
The Nvidia pricing is insane. AMD's is ridiculous. If you use AMD cards for anything other than rasterization, you quickly notice how slow they are compared to Nvidia's cards. $999 for AMD card-way overpriced. It should be 60-70% of its Nvidia equivalent.
Ehemm... simply bullshit.
Ngreedia fan buys deserve what they get.