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Experimenting different ways does not mean flip flopping. A lot of countries do experiment and fine tune. Malaysia has the right to use Malay as the main language as done by other countries like France, Germany, Japan, Korea and China because it is the native language. There is nothing wrong in that. Using Malay does not mean we will be left behind in the development race, that is a stupidity to think in that way. We need to come out from this colonial mentality. A classic example is Japan where official language is still Japanese but they are still a developed country so does many other countries i mentioned above. Singapore could conveniently stick to English because in doing so the minority Malays cannot oppose this decision, even if they do they will end up in prison. Singapore cannot make Mandarin as the main language because Chinese themselves are immigrants so does Indians. Hence the only language that can qualify to be an official language is the native language Malay but the majority Chinese government would obviously trade Malay with English with no opposition from the Malays of course. It is kind of confusing but if you are an expert in the local politics you will understand what i mean.
There are at least two forces at play: The pragmatic and rational decision to focus on English for economic development, and the "nationalistic" pride in promoting the "National" language. And the result will mean that at times pragmatism will rule the day... until Nationalism wills out. This explains the "flip-flopping". It is the "thesis-antithesis" cycle and struggle, and synthesis has eluded Malaysia. That is life. Malaysia may not top the rankings of education (that is a Singapore thing), but it is not necessary. Malaysia can be good enough.
LKY could have made Chinese the main language as 70% is Chinese but he smartly didnt do so, if you force other race to learn a language that isnt their own, they will have hate towards each other, as they feel they are forced to give up on their own language and culture. LKY decided on English not just because its a worldwide language and used in business, because it's a Fair playing ground for all. As its not the language of the Chinese nor Malay nor Indians.. all 3 major races had to learn the new language from scratch.. But he retained language that your race is from as the 2nd language, so the Chinese never gave up Chinese, the malays didnt give up Bahasa Malay..etc. Having a common language for all races is also useful for communication inter racial.
This is just one of the many many differences between Mr LKY and the Malaysian PMs, and this also explains why a small country with almost zero natural resources has grown to become a 1st World country and is still progressing whereas the other big country with abundance of natural resources is struggling non-stop and going backwards instead of progressing forward.
Fair points. Pragmatism was the reasoning behind PAP's language policy. However, it does have its drawbacks. For example, some minorities in Singapore find their chances of landing a job to be difficult since some job postings require them to speak Mandarin. Is learning English then still considered giving everyone an equal opportunity to get a job? Secondly, the national language of Singapore is Malay due to geographical, political and historical reasons. However, with the rise in English as the main mode of communication (and some may argue even Mandarin), are Singaporeans losing their sense of identity, history and place in the Malay world? Another question to ask is, why must we think of race as "static" i.e. if you're Chinese you must speak Mandarin. There are Indonesian Chinese who are proud to speak in Bahasa Indonesia and Malaysians (whether Chinese, Malay, Peranakans, Tamils) who are much more multi-lingual than Singaporeans in their languages such as Malay, Hokkien, Hakka, Tamil etc. Countries like New Zealand recognise the indigenous language of their country like Maori and promote them on their university websites. Can Singapore do the same with her National language rather than just army commands and symbolic means?
What's makes the difference? By making English as a national didn't make Singaporean English better than Malaysian English. Because most Malaysian regardless race and religion can easily master multiple languages.
But look at the current situation..there are more Malaysians who speak English , Malay + Mother tounge better than Singaporean .. Singaporean on the contrary are becoming monolingual day by day
To address the elephant in the room, Malaysia is predominantly run by a certain demographic which doesn't really know what they're doing. Success is usually quite rare with their governance and when things goes south, they'd be the first to put the blame on the Chinese and to a lesser extent the Indians. 🤦
Don't forget the west, US and Jews in particular. Anything they can't blame on Chinese or Indians or China automatically is blamed on USA or Israel lol, it is never EVER that certain demographic's fault for anything. =)
Having taught in Singapore at both the PSLE and O-levels, I can vouch that the curriculum of the Little Red Dot enables students to speak and write in English better than many Malaysian fresh graduate teachers. Many taxi drivers, bus captains, janitors, coffee shop owners speak English too. It's like comparing heaven and earth.
I'm a Malaysian who attended Singapore university. I am awed by how Singapore became one of the richest countries in the world. Malaysia is still embroiled in religious racial issues while its educational standards have plummeted. No comparison
As long as there is corruption in Malaysia the majority in Malaysia will stay ignorant and suppressed while Singapore continues to prosper and progress in the 21st century!
@@jameslim3850So? Compared to the amount of corruption in Malaysia that's like a drop in a bucket of water. At least Singapore civil servants don't ask for kopi money all the time.
Likewise Malaysia has chosen to unify her people by the use of a common national language. Remember that the Malaysian population is ethnically more diverse than Singapore's population. Moreover about 18% of Malaysians reside in the Borneo states across the South China Sea. The majority of the indigenous people there speak native languages like Iban, Kadazan, Suluk etc. Whenever I converse with these people in English, they look bewildered as they cannot understand a word I am saying. The moment I switch to Malay, we are able to communicate.
@brandenburg2388 That is why the leaders realised the mistake they have committed. Anang Johari said Green.Technology in English and Ai Technology also in English. Why should Sarawak become Jaguh Champion ( Village Champion)???? Sarawak no matter what official language in English.
你因此應該含有意識新加坡是馬來西亞的基地。 Anda oleh itu harus tahu bahawa Singapura adalah penjuru (asas) Malaysia. 馬來西亞概念﹝the “Grand Design”﹞的關鍵是新加坡。 Tunjang utama (linchpin) konsep Malaysia (the “Grand Design”) ialah Singapura. 砂拉越和北婆羅洲﹝沙巴﹞的領袖因此決定放棄他們更好的判斷來支持這個想法。 Pemimpin Sarawak & Borneo Utara (Sabah) oleh itu membuat keputusan menentang pertimbangan mereka yang lebih baik untuk meneruskan idea itu.
@@brandenburg2388 Are you sure Malaysia has more diverse ethnics than Singapore?! Malaysia has a unifying language that only a few countries use. English is the lingua franca for most of the world, which is why LKY decided on it.
You're absolutely RIGHT. Had Singapore still remain a part of Malaysia today, she would still be a fishing village or at it's very best, Singaporeans would still be living their lives in the 1960s.
Singapore's sole reason of joining was to stop the threat of communism Once that is over they were seeking a way out In other words they got premature independence
@@raymondlow393: Singapore already had the highest standard of living in Asia after 日本国 anyway in August 1965, raymond. Besides, it was in the UK’s interest to assure Singapore prospered - or at least progressed - as they had generations of their Asia-Pacific tertiary sectors established there.
That is not true, i had worked with many Singaporeans who still struggle to speak fluent English (Very much broken) where i find Malaysians can speak way better.
@@RajaKumar-sj3et We can speak fluently if we want. We just prefer to use Singlish because we felt closer to each other by sprinkling it in our day to day conversations.
@@RajaKumar-sj3etit is the group of people you are interacting with. Singapore, like Malaysia, has good and not-so-good English speaker. But the average English standard is pushed higher in Singapore due to the education system. If you cannot excel in English, your future is greatly jeopardized
Malaysia is not moving forward but backwards. Dr. M is the root cause of all these problems. Lee kuan Yew was a smart PM. Despite chinese being the majority race in Singapore, he still made English the national language because he was a man with a vision. He wanted to move forward. Unlike Malaysia, malay leaders stubbornly insist on the malay language as the national language despite knowing the fact that english is the international language. Besides, Religion Riding and Corruption are rampant.
Melayu is indeed the national language of Singapore. Singapore's national anthem is in melayu, Majulah Singapura. People these days don't even know a single word of melayu excluding curse words. What a disgrace to late Lee Kuan Yew.
@@woshisin96 Malay is a language that has no place in the world except in Malaysia. What good is it for other than for ordering food, which is one of the only few things Malaysians can be proud of?
Malaysia just keeps marching in place. Every time it moves forward, it U-turns. Every time it moves backwards, it U-turns. A lot of noise and movement, but nothing productive ever happens. But all the leaders get rich.
And yet your gov loves ft so much, and your jobs being taken by foreigners. Let hope PAP rule next 50 years. Foreigners is better than local sg. You talk so much works as cardboard collector.
Actually Malaysia was doing quite well back in the 1960s under Tunku Abdul Rahman. Many minorities such as chinese and indians thrived under TAR. Then came May 13 1969 which saw the rise of militant islamists such as Harun, Mahathir and many others. They used race and religion cards to overthrow the liberal government of TAR, and the demise of Malaysia slowly taking course. Missionary schools and convents became their targets and were shut down or converted to national (malay) schools. They did away with the english medium schools and replace them with Malay medium schools. Tudung became compulsory for the malay girls. They then created the Bumiputra status for the malays, orang asli, and Borneo indigenous people, and used it to openly discriminate the successful minorities such as chinese and indians in government jobs, housing, education, etc. This created a huge chasm between the majority malays and the minorities, based on race and religion. Today, Malaysia is one of the few apartheid countries remaining in the world.
Bro face it, alot of Singaporeans today dont know Chinese, and Singaporean Malay are slowly losing their grasp of the Malay language, u are typing nonsense
Umno Malay leaders fear English language is going to overwhelm 'Malay-ness' among Malay and outshine their supremacy over all others in Malaya.Umno are a group of 'unique' Malay that vowed not to allow 'English' to change mindset, destroy Malay culture and tradition.
i think Malaysia could have done much better without the bumiputera policy, which gives pretty comprehensive lifelong benefits to malays and non malay citizens are prejudiced second tier citizens right from the start.
Exactly. i’m a malay and completely oppose the bumiputra policy because obviously it is breaching the human rights.however, it took me years to try to understand from their point of view, the bumiputra policy is basically to take care of their own race. Kind of like in the ancient time people living in tribes and taking care of their own tribe..give it time who knows one day the next generation might evolve and have more sense.
There's a difference between English proficiency versus English accent. Every nation has its own accent in speaking (how the words sound). What matters more is what you say and how you say it- which means to be grammatically sound. And that include doing so in writing. If some Malaysian politicians think that Singapore teachers are not good in English just because of one's accent, then they just need to scrutinize themselves among their government whether their ministers can speak grammatically correct English. Furthermore, why would Singapore teachers volunteer in Malaysia when they can do so in Singapore? What benefits would they gain in doing so?
Furthermore, why would Singapore teachers volunteer in Malaysia when they can do so in Singapore? What benefits would they gain in doing so? Exactly, Malaysia want to be a AI-country, Get English as main language first b4 you even talk about AI.
@@maxp670 Yeah, MP Phua was probably salty when the Spore v Msia comparison was brought up; and anyone who thinks an accent invalidates their ability to speak proper English is kinda stupid, but I think there is a sizeable population of proficient English speakers in Malaysia, it is just a matter of creating the right incentive to harness that ability, just like what Spore did to keep its best as teachers, Malaysia could learn those policies. Rather than bringing in Sporeans, which to your point, won't bring long term benefits, if they won't choose to stay long term.
They don’t have to be trained classroom teachers but educated with good command of English. Volunteering to help a neighbour is what many Singaporeans are willing to participate in. Just need guaranteed LONG TERM support of Malaysian govt.
Singapore Mathematics & Science are top around Asian Countries. Malaysia popular subjects are agama & Bahasa. Sad to say, it lead the youth nowhere in areas of employment.
Meanwhile science, math, account, physics, basically all subjects are now being taught in malay after I graduated in 2017. Disgusting education system.
Dr M when he was minister of education for Malaysia, threw out the baby with the bathwater. Substituted English medium teaching for Bahasa medium teaching. Bahasa as well as English not instead of. Dr M collapsed the education system in Malaysia. A low level decision with no account for the future. Singapore is light years ahead of Malaysia in this regard. Pushing Malay at the expense of all else. Dr M has screwed Malaysians in respect of their future.
As I grew up in newly independent Malaysia in the 1960s in a family that spoke English, I experienced great difficulties trying to communicate with Malaysians of all ethnicities whenever I spoke to them in flawless English. My grasp of Malay then was very weak and the little Bahasa Pasar that I spoke was the only means to communicate with them. It was particularly bad whenever I travelled to the rural areas (Malay kampongs, Chinese new villages and the estates with 100% Indians) where hardly anyone spoke English. It was Malay again that saved the day for me. In all honesty, switching the medium of instruction of the national schools to Malay helped a lot to unify a nation populated by so many different ethnic groups and languages.
@@windydragon6522The elite had a leg up to top jobs in the private sector due to their high profiency in English. The rest of the Malay graduates were left to the crumbs of the govt sector. I remembered Tun M lamented the English proficiency of govt officials at international level.
My wife got sick and tired of all the whole fark up systems in Malaysia and renounced her citizenship. Thank you Malaysia for giving my wife to me with her talent contributing to our Nation's progress 😂
Malaysia is capable of pusing kanan pusing kiri resulted in its failure to raise the standard of English teaching in schools. I left Malaysia long ago to reside in Singapore. Thanks to the Government of Singapore giving the best tertiary education to my children.
dont ever forget to thank your colonial master yeah, whom took your ancestors ,sent them here and resulting their descendent to bellitle other people with their master mother tongue. what a pride
Mahathir is the Prime Minister that ruined Malaysia. Mahathir is a politician first and foremost. Born Indian but hid his ethnicity by proclaiming to be a native Malay. Most educated Malaysians during the British colonial days were suitably educated and conversant in English. However Mahathir decided to forego English in order to win support from the kampong Malays. When he met British PM Margaret Thatcher, Mahathir pretended to not know English and utilised a translator during the discussion. This is a man who went to UK to obtain his graduate degree. Big chip on his shoulder. Mahathir is the OG Mr 20%, enriching himself, his children and cronies.
Everyone know he is Tamil but the paper deny him. Even Mahathir said himself that his father is from Kerala and he is a muslim. Mahathir just went along.
In Malaysia there was too much meddling by politicians in our education system. They have todate still not realised how they have blundered our education system. They try to be champions only to mess up their own kind
Our policies and priorities are not the same. Nonetheless, in Malaysia many high-income parents are sending their children to private institutions, and overseas graduates are finding jobs abroad and not returning, which has resulted in brain drain.
They judged our English efficiency by hearing we Singaporean speaking Singlish in social media or at public places. What they don't understand is that when we we write in English at academics and at work, it is different.
Ai ya, I am a Singaporean, I know our pattern one lah. When we write at work or academics, we just copy here and paste there lah. U think we really so pro meh?? Mai xia suay can already lah.
Sarawak CM, YAB Abang Johari is the best, not even promoting English but Chinese certificate is also recognised with grants given to Chinese schools. Malaysian Federal government must learn and follow the footstep of Saeawak Chief Minister.
Replacing Malay to English as the language of instruction it doesn't affect the outcome of Science Maths and Reading. It's the quality of education, and in Malaysia it has regressed or become stagnant at best.
Malaysia is just too proud to admit Singapore is doing better in education than them, the unwillingness to admit they are not doing a good job is making them unable to change.. as they stubbornly keep their old ways. In order to improve, you need to first identify and admit the flaw, and then you can make the change. If you are unwilling to admit your system is inferior then you will resist accepting change and continue to be producing poor results year after year.
You need to remember that Malaysia is 455 times geographically larger and with 6 times more people than Singapore. There are over 60 different ethnic groups living in Malaysia, each having their own languages and dialects. The education system and language policies for such a country will be very different from that practiced by a city state with just 3 main ethnic groups.
你因此應該含有意識新加坡是馬來西亞的基地。 Anda oleh itu harus tahu bahawa Singapura adalah penjuru (asas) Malaysia. 馬來西亞概念﹝the “Grand Design”﹞的關鍵是新加坡。 Tunjang utama (linchpin) konsep Malaysia (the “Grand Design”) ialah Singapura. 砂拉越和北婆羅洲﹝沙巴﹞的領袖因此決定放棄他們更好的判斷來支持這個想法。 Pemimpin Sarawak & Borneo Utara (Sabah) oleh itu membuat keputusan menentang pertimbangan mereka yang lebih baik untuk meneruskan idea itu.
He was the one who insisted the syllabus was taught in English for maths and science. A lot of people fought him on this, I still remember How come outsiders know our history differently I wonder
@@noorulhasan4904 The problem with malaysia is english used as the main language for knowledge transfers. Creating a death spiral for BM and slowly marginalised it. Had BM did not used solely for history then sure enough the educated people would appreciate it more today.
Madhatter is a mamak (like Singapore nasi lemak seller kelong president Halimah), a half-indian, despite writing A Malay Dilemma & being a Ultra Malay chauvinist.
@@whizzardblizzard5696 No. The Malaysian will say Singapore stole the original idea from them and re-brand the item. Then Uncle Roger will slam Singapore for stealing Malaysian ideas. 🤔
Whether Malaysia will continue to flip flop is still based on their own policies and the acceptance of their own citizens. What type of lives they pursue does not depend on the views of other nations. Changes can only be made by their own citizens.
Good video. A small correction though, the National Language Act 1963/67 wasn't the reason the medium of instruction of schools switched to malay. Article 152 of the Federal Constitution permits the use of languages other than malay in schools. The law merely compels the federal and state governments to use the national language for "official purposes". English schools specifically were closed at the primary and secondary levels after the May 13 race riots of 1969. Singapore, as part of Malaya, shared a similar history with regards to vernacular schools in 4 major languages: english, malay, chinese, tamil. After the initial separation of Singapore from the rest of Malaya via the creation of the Malayan Union, and subsequently the Federation of Malaya, Singapore and the Federation had diverging approaches to vernacular education. Malaysia designated malay medium schools as national schools with all others being labelled national-type, while in Singapore there was equal treatment for all 4 language streams. Also, Malaysia only allowed for 4 language streams at the primary level, with malay or english at the secondary level. Thus, after May 13, a political decision was made by then Education Minister Abdul Rahman Yaakob to announce the conversion of all english medium schools to the malay medium. He did this without consulting the Cabinet and gained enough political mileage to return to Sarawak as the next Chief Minister in 1970. Long story short, constitutionally speaking english schools are not a problem, Article 152 was the same when Singapore was still in the Federation. In the end, the problem is not so much legal as it is political.
If y'all notice, quite a lot of Malay words are substitution from English words. This could make Malaysians less proficient and less reliance on the English language. It's a problem.
Recently a friend of my dad’s sent me a job posting from someone asking for the post to be sent to people in his network. It was the UN recruiting for a local officer in Malaysia. He said, and I quote, ‘they have received a lot of applicants but none of them have a good enough command of English for the position’. Note the role requires a masters degree from a ‘reputable university’ and fluency in English and Malay. I did not apply because I don’t have an interest in becoming a bureaucratic hack but it shed light on the reality of the failures of our education system. They extended the deadline by 2 weeks.
The fate and future of Malaysia have already been firmly grounded and oneself would be able to extrapolate its potential future development. Interestingly, Malaysia's "Federal Constitution of Malaysia", is written in the English Language whereas, the entire country's Education System presently is based primarily on Bahasa Melayu, thus in reality, most Malaysians present times, do not understand nor are taught nor even able to read their own country's Constitution. That can tell you plenty ... about this country's future ....
My late great grandma too couldn't read the consitution neither but she lived through the Brits colonials, the Japs occupation and the commies terrorism. She lived her life fully. Who wrote the constitution anyway? Monkeys?
Singapore’s use of English as a first language is indeed a smart choice. English, being an international language, facilitates business, education, and international relations, making Singapore a global hub while still allowing it to maintain its national identity with its Chinese, Malay, and Indian communities. I wonder why Malaysia doesn’t embrace the benefits of English in the same way and instead focuses primarily on Malay proficiency, fearing that it might change people’s identities. I don’t believe that children will lose their identities as Chinese, Malay, or Indian just by learning English. For example, my aunts and uncles studied many subjects in English during their time and remained loyal to their Chinese identity. I remember studying in a national school in 1976, where we began with mostly Malay textbooks, with only one English book. Before 1976, the situation was the opposite. I didn’t change my identity; I still identify strongly as Chinese. However, my proficiency in English suffered because we had limited English instruction. Our English teacher didn’t finish the curriculum, which left many students struggling. This was during Datuk Mahathir’s tenure as Prime Minister, when the education system shifted to prioritize Malay subjects. While he himself benefited from English education, many Malaysian children struggled with English because of these policies. I believe that while Malay is rightly the national language and should be taught in some subjects, it’s equally important to maintain English learning in many textbooks as well. We need to ensure that students have the opportunity to excel in English, as it is crucial for our country’s development and integration into the global economy. Unity can still be fostered through a strong good moral education that promotes love for the country, compassion for all living beings-including animals-people-by encouraging a vegan or plant-based diet to avoid killing them for food, and respect for everyone. If we embrace these values, our world could become a paradise of peace and harmony. During this urgent time, Pls be vegan for world peace to save yourself and everything and watch this--> www.suprememastertv.com. Thank You..May u be well n peace.
Its a fight of nationalism vs practicality. Practicality is the one that puts progress and wealth forward. Malaysia can chose whichever they want but why always criticizing Singapore?
Simple : the reason is envious!! Or to be direct '"red eye" ( jealous)😅😅.It is in their character, come to Singapore to earn the kind of money which their country cannot provide and repay this favour by criticizing Singapore(ans). When we go over to Malaysia to spend money they criticized we caused congestion, speeding, litering, causes their inflation to go up, etc. Of course it takes to hands to clap, some Singaporeans are inconsiderate but overall most of are stil law abiding over there. Who wants to break the law and get caught and pressurise to give "kopi money"?😅😅
It does not matter if the language is English, Malay, Chinese or Tamil. If the citizens of both countries are happy where they are and where their future holds, that is the most important and already a blessing. As friendly neighbours, let's wish each other the very best in our future endeavours as our fates are intertwined, like it or not.
I am Malaysian senior citizen. I volunteered teaching English grammar . Free of charge. Commencing July 2024 until today. It's true the malay student below the minimun score. Mostly 20- 30/100. The education system should start English lessofrom fr std 1. But the subject should not be compulsory in examinations.
When I sat for mce in 1970, we were never not taught 1st 2nd 3rd person. Without grammar knowledge, zero chance to learn a european language. I went to top notch boarding school.
Malaysia used to have great English govt-run schools' legacy of the previous British government rules.Politicians ruined everything.They abolished English schools but kept Chinese and Tamil schools.
English has been the international language before most of us were even born. Not just useful for international business but also further education, with lots of books & materials in English. And lately Mandarin chinese is 2nd most useful due to China's rise in business and trade. Germans, French, Italians are very proud of their language but always keen to learn English, aware of it's importance. Sadly for some malays who think learning English will detoriate their "malayness". Whether it's due to hatred towards the West or insecurity, i can't really say. Fact is, learning a foreign language will not make one lose his own identity!!! 😢Pathetic mentality.....
Long time ago, Malaysian PM and Education Department came out with this startling, yet ludicrous reason if Malaysians are not proficient in speaking, writing and reading in BM, there will be no loyalty and patriotism among its citizens, Malaysians would not be a United People, hence came the total reversal on using English as a medium of instruction in public school for all students, from there on, our students standard of English language continue to slide, until present day . Thank to our national leaders.
Aims of Education: 1 Reading 2 writing 3 calculating . Contents of Education: 1 Science 2 Technology 3 Engineering 4 Arts 5 Mathematics . Purposes of Education: 1 Nurturing the Humanities 2 culture and 3 connoisseurship . English has just happened to be the best source of information
That’s the foresight of a brilliant leader where the country’s n people’s interests, not selfish personal interests,comes first, During the late fifties n sixties, when we spoke our mother tongue, beside English in class, we would be reprimanded by the Headmaster, let alone the teachers. Things suddenly ‘ overturned ‘ when this guy became the Education Minister in the seventies. He changed the whole structure of the Education system, emphasising Bahasa Malaysia as the medium of instruction. Of course we love n respect the BM but English was ‘ equally ‘ important ‘. He sent his children overseas n when they came back, they became political leaders, leaving our children hanging in the balance. Many of our graduates find it difficult to find a job in International companies as they require English but many cannot write a simple sentence. But before his retirement, he stressed on the importance of English, but far too late. But l see many Malay n Chinese parents nowadays send their children to English tuition classes.. What a encouraging sight. Nothing is too late.
I agree. I was educated in Singapore and could compare it with Malaysia. When I worked in Malaysia, the locals were so much behind in thinking and language
@@muhdhusni9227the younger software engineers doesn't need to use Mandarin in banks especially when their bosses are Europeans or indians in sg. Mandarin are only used in Chinese banks or in departments dealing with Taiwan credit card products.
I wouldn't even use the word decent but "Just Enough" to get the message across people. It's literally singlish or directly word for word from mandarin and people can't even speak proper mandarin when approached. No need to boast
The outcome in the society and economic development speaks for itself. Compare both the education systems and school administrations along with facilities across both countries to see the sharp contrast. Iant it obvious?
Mahatair was the prime minister, Anwar pmx was the minister of education. Please get this right. As u can see he Anwar is not even bothered to make this right - sighting that it very difficult n needs time.
0:00 My only concern is, why is there a need to insult potential volunteers? 🤷♂ If you prefer to engage local teachers, just say so. The MP's comment is just unnecessary.
As a teacher, I do think both countries could use help in teaching English proficiency at schools, especially how to pronounce words in English. There is a reason why Arabs people pays teachers from western countries to teach their students English, so they learn to speak it properly. The Montessori curriculum is a good way to teach English, since it starts from learning all the phonemes. Start at age 3, when the sensitive period for Language is happening! So they will become more eloquent when expressing themselves.
@thulomanchay Agreed... Although teaching is a noble profession, sadly, most qualified individuals, including scholars, have opted to build their careers in the other industries.
Singaporean here. I would say that Singapore's situation is unique in that there was no obvious language choice at that time. English as the medium of education evades the problem of siding with any race which makes it a good choice. That is, every race is a little bit unhappy, but will not be totally upset. This is unlike malaysia which has establish itself as a Malay country and thus difficult to justify ditching their own language for another language. So, I wouldn't say we are smarter, but our pioneers did took advantage of a problem to make it a strength.
The emphasis of creating the New Malay language as the pride identity of Malaysia ahead of any outside connectivities condemned the Malaysian people to a inward stagnation Basically, no one outside Malaysia give a damn of translating precisely data and knowledge into this newly created language. The market for Malay is too small. Hence, the self imposed barriers to progress.
@thulomanchay you forget Philippines. Still , it is a case where the infancy of creating a language from scratch where no written form existed with mixed in national prestige. There are geopolitical hurdles. Malay ain't Indonesian. Malay is a loose identity promoted in Malaysia with predominantce in West Malaysia. The same goes for only a small part of Indonesia mainly around the Rio islands .
@thulomanchay manage.... But they don't share same text. You forget the nationalism , else they be one nation. Same time , there are a lot of sub groups especially within Indonesia who will not be caught dead to be Malay. The origins before independence may bear a similarity, but after nationhood there is an effort to move away. That's why Malay ain't going to be internationally accepted. If there is an acceptance , it will be Indonesia . With Malay as a sub set. Of course the Malays won't buy it. Fundamental quirks. Baharsa is language. Malayu is a definition. Just for your academic interest.
@thulomanchay nay. You missed the crux. Not many in this world bother to come to grips with Malay like English. Neither with Indonesia coming to grips using standardized Malay. Tagalog the similar version in Philippines is the best anti example. No one bothers coming to grips with Tagalog from Indonesia and Malaysia . Although there are similar nouns , in phonetics , they are only entertained only when necessary. 80%+ in each country don't give a damn for cross border usage. Another thing. These languages have no written form before independence, they borrow the English alphabet. For Nationality, they tend to spell the same thing different without any vocal associations with English pronunciations. Ha ha. On the China diaspora, you are clearly doing it from an armchair . The Chinese language ain't what you conclude to be. Nay. . The languages in Malay , Indonesia , Philippines , although sharing a vocal association before nationalism, are still a evolving thingy. Meaning any new term especially in technology, would be directly sub into their sentences , not necessarily meaning exactly the same. This would be changed at a later date to a national spelling and local pronunciation later. Hence, you are dealing with coming to grips with a language that ain't final. Here, you are not even accounting for data and facts translation. I don't think you know the situation for the Malay language to be progressive in the modern age.
@thulomanchay ha ha. A dream.same with EU. Why not France and England, after all, before King John, the Plantagenet Royals owned most of France. Nay. It won't happened. The frictions between different communities won't allow such an event. Since before the Europeans as on Portuguese arrived in these parts, the Achehness in Sumatera and the Malays in Malacca have had fought for centuries. Wars akin to Rome and Hannibal. Indonesia is governed from Java. There is a dominance of Javanese. Your Bali ain't Indonesia Mainstream A small subset considered a minority with Indonesia. Not considered Malay by Malays at all. I dubbed your language picked up will be seriously useful in other parts of Indonesia , Malaysia. To entertain a tourist is one thing. To use it to compete with locals for a living is totally on a different level. Why don't the whole world speak one lingo. Cannot be English Ha ha. You get the gist of the problem? Put in this way. To call a Javanese Malay can be very unhealthy.
Singapore english teachers will have plenty of work in Singapore. To teach in rural Malaysia may not be attractive to them since thay are used to cities convenience. Volunteers will not be many.
I remember how difficult it was for me going from Malaysian public school to Singapore. I had to ask my maths teacher what minus meant as I only knew Malay maths terminology. Back then Malaysian education wasn't as bad as now, though I could see the rot forming. Best thing that ever happened to me was moving to Singapore. I wasn't treated as a second class person and I worked my butt off to excel at school. I'd never go back to Malaysia.
I’m Singaporean, Malaysia is our neighbour and brother. Why all these bad mouthing? If they want to do it their way, let them do it. The early leaders in Singapore chose a different path. It could have gone both ways. As Singaporeans, we should help our neighbours within our means. If you can’t help then keep silent and stay neutral. We are doing well from past decades nationalism. It is not a given that it will always be the same. Think before commenting. Help when you can if not don’t create unnecessary friction🙏🏽❤️
Private school and college for chinese and indian refused to use and include Malay language in their education curriculum. It's severe that chinese minister almost can't speak Malay language without reading papers while at the parliament assembly.
I remember about 20 years ago when Malaysia wanted to build up English proficiency in Malaysia school. I thought that was a positive step forward. My friend from Sabah told me the effort would fail. He said his aunt volunteered and was chosen to be an English teacher. He said his aunt's English proficiency was poor at best and worse than his. He pointed out that I knew his English proficiency and it was not good at all. Using that as a marker, do I feel his aunt was qualified to be English teacher. It was obvious, by Singapore standard, she was not qualified at all. That was why the efforted failed miserable.
When our country English has deteriorated to what is to day. Yet we still have leaders whom do not want to admit and are continuing to self pride that we still have good sufficient English teachers around. With very good English educated Citizens yes. Many of them were not in the teaching professional, many doing their own businesses, employed in private sectors, even Government servants but not in the teaching sector, many good English teachers were in the private school, colleges and universities. So to filled up our vacuum in our education sectors the nearest availability having almost the same given culture Singapore English teachers if willing to assist us is the most suitable advantages to us. What else if both the Primers can have their mutual of understanding agreement. Wasn’t that wonderful?
The statement in the beginning by Malaysian politicians saying that Malaysia has plenty of "experienced" English teachers and Singaporeans aren't that proficient in English anyway, is total and absolute rubbish. I had the privilidge of teaching both Malaysian and Singaporean undergrads for 5 years in an English-speaking university, plus another 1 plus year in professional academia. The ones that had the most challenge in adapting to an English speaking environment are unsurprisingly, the Malaysians and especially if they haven't taken any English enrichment classes. No it's not discrimination, it's fact, to deny otherwise would be ACTUAL discrimination against these students because you're too proud to acknowledge a problem and continue to exarcebate the problem.
As a singaporean who speaks american english, I have to agree that most singaporean doesn't speak english but in fact a mixture of singlish or dialect. It is our own uniqueness and i believe most people would turn their head if they hear singlish spoken overseas and find it amusing. Personally, I would love to see singapore giving dialects more freedom and chances. Speaking of education...Malaysian colleagues shared that they were glad that they're able to send their kids to study in singapore(Even if the cost is much higher) because education system seems more "complete" here than malaysia. They also mentioned that education in malaysia are often prioritising muslim friends when it comes to subsidies or any form of help (Might be a form of personal POV but i believe citizens have eyes to see and heart to feel)
Everyone in Singapore are required to speak proper English in more formal settings, such as during presentations in school or at work. It is rather strange for you to assume that "most singaporean doesn't speak english" as if the majority are incapable of code-switching.
He made the hard choices, sold it as necessary to attract foreign investment, emasculated the groups that would have weaponized it against him and then built on his success for his next hard choice. And now he is seen as a visionary. Deservedly.
tahniah pada Singapore. you deserve it. Malaysia masih berusaha untuk memperbaiki Dari Semasa ke semasa utk memajukan ENGLISH dlm budaya memandang kan terdapat pelbagai Kaum,bangsa dan etnik termasuk budaya dan adat yg masih dijaga hingga sekarang.Saya ingin bertanya, jika benar Singapore lebih maju Dari Malaysia, bijak kewangan, bijak uruskan negara,pandai uruskan masa depan utk rakyat Singapopre Malah rakyat² nya rasa bersyukur dan bertuah dapat keluar Dari Malaysia, UNTUK APA LAGI nak ambil tahu dan buang masa dgn beri komen² negative pada Malaysia ? apa manfaat nya? apa kepuasan nya? selagi tak dapat nak MEMBANDINGKAN KEHEBATAN dgn menghina atau pandang rendah pada rakyat Malaysia atau kerajaannya, selagi itukah tak dapat rasa negara Singapore hebat? tentu tidak. jadi sudah² lah. Malaysia atau Singapore, masing² ada masalah tersendiri yg perlu mereka hadap. nak tolong ke tak nak, masing² ada sebab dan hak. kita negara berjiran. SEPATUTNYA merapatkan, bukan bermusuh dgn nak banding kan siapa lagi HEBAT? Cari kelemahan dan kesalahan ? is it worth it?
Both Singapore and Malaysia have a history closely related and intertwined. But we do not interfere in each other’s internal political affairs. What language Malaysia would like to use in their schools and universities is entirely up to them.
I see many comments on Singaporeans' command of English being actually worse than Malaysians' stating they use an improper localised English called Singlish that's hard to understand. While that's true, it applies to casual speech, it's never used in written English obviously and they stop using it at the drop of a hat when required or in a professional setting.
Singlish is the same as any other colloquial dialect used by English speakers - the use of slang, short cuts and words borrowed from other local langauges. Singaporeans speak fast and with an accent, which takes some getting used to. But, no harder than getting used to Australian, New Zealand, and South African accents and vernacular. And, infinitely easier than trying to understand some British accents!
I think English should be introduced at kindergarten level before primary and secondary education. So that students will be comfortable with the language and gradually become proficient on it. To suddenly start it on mathematics and science at one go, it will be worrisome to those who lack in the language and those who feel that the importance of the Malay language will decline. It should be discussed further for the betterment of future generations.
Their flip flopping is done on purpose--to win non-Malay votes in the short term. But the long term trajectory is still the same--sticking to Malay since the early 70s.
Thanks to these Malaysian policies and politicians, Singapore has become RELATIVELY ahead economically and technologically. Singapore has a lot to thank Malaysia for its success. Please note that immediately after independence in 1957 to 1968, the medium of instruction in schools was English. It was this pioneer generation that actually set up the Malaysian economy and industrialisation which was slowed down by its stupid policies. 😢
I don’t think Malaysia would necessarily need English educators from Singapore or even need to be full on fluent in English. They just need to get their priorities right. Look at Japan now. If they aren’t so xenophobic and Japan is only for Japanese only shutting their doors to “outsiders” literally speaking, they wouldn’t have fallen behind. As for Malaysia, if you put religion and race before meritocracy for obvious reasons, well, then you’ll stay where you are.
Malaysia does NOT need foreigners to teach English in schools as they already have a pool of capable local teachers. All the MoE needs to do is to look out for them and tap into their talents. The nation also has brilliant minds to design a curriculum that lasts - but many are sidelined for political reasons, or they left retired early out of frustration.
@@kevchua67Agreed. Many retired professionals with excellent English would be willing to be trained as teachers. But no, Malaysia prefers to spend money on foreigners than retraining and paying their own citizens who are willing to serve.
It's good that Malaysian politicians object to some countries including Singapore which generously offer help to solve their problems. They can win some political credit and votes in the process. They can solve the problems themselves. If they don't see it as a problem and are happy where they are where education of their citizens is concerned, so be it. The leaders and royalties themselves have other means - by sending their children overseas where English is the main medium of instruction. You see many Malaysian families got their children to wake up at 4 am every morning to send their children to schools in Singapore, but not the other way round. If Malaysian leaders are contented with such an arrangement, let the status quo remains. When you see no problem, see no issues, there is no need for solution. Don't worry, be happy.
malaysia is malaysia and singapore is singapore. everyone have their own vision for the country. Obviously, malays want to use malay as their national language. it's the same as if you're spain, germans or whatever. And in these countries they have their own geniuses. Doesn't mean you have to know english to become an expert in anything. English is just a tool for communications. Unlike english folks, most other non-english countries are bilinguals. They can speak different and many languages.
Some Malaysian chinese able to speak malay, chinese , english and own dialects like hakka, hokkien or canto. I do think that mastering average language level for multi lingual speaker actually do more advantaged then single language user. Malaysia education is not easy for some as we need juggle different language subjects particularly if you study chinese, english and malay under Primary and Secondary school curriculum.
In my opinion, it would be best to maintain Malay as the medium of instruction in national schools. The demographics of the country still favour this arrangement. Nearly 70% of the population are Malays and other indigenous ethnicities from Sabah and Sarawak who are more comfortable speaking Malay and Borneon languages which are closer to Malay than to English. In addition, a large portion of the population are residing in rural areas where very little or no English is spoken or used. If the entire national school system were to switch to using English overnight, even for science and mathematics, many of these students would struggle to understand their lessons. What is important in education is not the language used to teach but to ensure that the students fully comprehend what they are being taught. This is best achieved by using the language which the students are most comfortable and familiar with. We see the same situation in schools in advanced countries like Germany, France, Sweden, Denmark, Japan, South Korea and Taiwan. Despite English not being the medium of instruction in their schools, their technological prowess is world renowned and they are among the most prosperous nations on earth. Clearly Malaysia has been following the correct and most logical path in her effort to integrate and unify her people though the use of a common national language.
As long as there are Lordship status, unity is a nonsense word. Will you befriend some one thst is superior to you? You won't and you stay away from them..Sane with Lordship, they too are migrants from Micronesia.
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Experimenting different ways does not mean flip flopping. A lot of countries do experiment and fine tune.
Malaysia has the right to use Malay as the main language as done by other countries like France, Germany, Japan, Korea and China because it is the native language. There is nothing wrong in that.
Using Malay does not mean we will be left behind in the development race, that is a stupidity to think in that way. We need to come out from this colonial mentality. A classic example is Japan where official language is still Japanese but they are still a developed country so does many other countries i mentioned above.
Singapore could conveniently stick to English because in doing so the minority Malays cannot oppose this decision, even if they do they will end up in prison. Singapore cannot make Mandarin as the main language because Chinese themselves are immigrants so does Indians. Hence the only language that can qualify to be an official language is the native language Malay but the majority Chinese government would obviously trade Malay with English with no opposition from the Malays of course. It is kind of confusing but if you are an expert in the local politics you will understand what i mean.
There are at least two forces at play: The pragmatic and rational decision to focus on English for economic development, and the "nationalistic" pride in promoting the "National" language. And the result will mean that at times pragmatism will rule the day... until Nationalism wills out. This explains the "flip-flopping". It is the "thesis-antithesis" cycle and struggle, and synthesis has eluded Malaysia. That is life. Malaysia may not top the rankings of education (that is a Singapore thing), but it is not necessary. Malaysia can be good enough.
An example that Malaysia often quote is Japan who sticked to Japanese and still have good development.
That's why lky , his nemesis, will be known as legend. And mahatir will be known as kukuty
@@RajaKumar-sj3etYes, keep on experimenting, maybe for a thousand years. Yes, Malaysia has the right to do whatever she wants.
LKY could have made Chinese the main language as 70% is Chinese but he smartly didnt do so, if you force other race to learn a language that isnt their own, they will have hate towards each other, as they feel they are forced to give up on their own language and culture.
LKY decided on English not just because its a worldwide language and used in business, because it's a Fair playing ground for all. As its not the language of the Chinese nor Malay nor Indians.. all 3 major races had to learn the new language from scratch..
But he retained language that your race is from as the 2nd language, so the Chinese never gave up Chinese, the malays didnt give up Bahasa Malay..etc.
Having a common language for all races is also useful for communication inter racial.
This is just one of the many many differences between Mr LKY and the Malaysian PMs, and this also explains why a small country with almost zero natural resources has grown to become a 1st World country and is still progressing whereas the other big country with abundance of natural resources is struggling non-stop and going backwards instead of progressing forward.
Fair points. Pragmatism was the reasoning behind PAP's language policy. However, it does have its drawbacks. For example, some minorities in Singapore find their chances of landing a job to be difficult since some job postings require them to speak Mandarin. Is learning English then still considered giving everyone an equal opportunity to get a job?
Secondly, the national language of Singapore is Malay due to geographical, political and historical reasons. However, with the rise in English as the main mode of communication (and some may argue even Mandarin), are Singaporeans losing their sense of identity, history and place in the Malay world?
Another question to ask is, why must we think of race as "static" i.e. if you're Chinese you must speak Mandarin. There are Indonesian Chinese who are proud to speak in Bahasa Indonesia and Malaysians (whether Chinese, Malay, Peranakans, Tamils) who are much more multi-lingual than Singaporeans in their languages such as Malay, Hokkien, Hakka, Tamil etc. Countries like New Zealand recognise the indigenous language of their country like Maori and promote them on their university websites. Can Singapore do the same with her National language rather than just army commands and symbolic means?
What's makes the difference? By making English as a national didn't make Singaporean English better than Malaysian English. Because most Malaysian regardless race and religion can easily master multiple languages.
There was no way Lky could’ve chosen Chinese as his Hokkien was actually better than his Mandarin then.
But look at the current situation..there are more Malaysians who speak English , Malay + Mother tounge better than Singaporean .. Singaporean on the contrary are becoming monolingual day by day
To address the elephant in the room, Malaysia is predominantly run by a certain demographic which doesn't really know what they're doing. Success is usually quite rare with their governance and when things goes south, they'd be the first to put the blame on the Chinese and to a lesser extent the Indians. 🤦
Don't forget the west, US and Jews in particular. Anything they can't blame on Chinese or Indians or China automatically is blamed on USA or Israel lol, it is never EVER that certain demographic's fault for anything. =)
Now give evidence where they put the blame to chinese and Indians. Dont spout nonsense
Having taught in Singapore at both the PSLE and O-levels, I can vouch that the curriculum of the Little Red Dot enables students to speak and write in English better than many Malaysian fresh graduate teachers. Many taxi drivers, bus captains, janitors, coffee shop owners speak English too. It's like comparing heaven and earth.
Look at recent Worldskill 2024 at France Lyon. Even at Vocational Skillsets training Malaysian are not progressing well.
@@clementihammock7572 Its because now they outsourcing the vocational workers from Indonesia, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Philippines
Hundreds of thousands of Malaysians working in Singapore have poor English
If if trend continues Malaysia will go downhill ,oh dear ,and the country will go bankrupt. Hopefully the country will pick it itself up.
@@B-kind-2-yourself But they will improve, just like me.
I'm a Malaysian who attended Singapore university. I am awed by how Singapore became one of the richest countries in the world. Malaysia is still embroiled in religious racial issues while its educational standards have plummeted. No comparison
Inevitable reality for any country that puts religion front and center over anything else
blame Mahathir, still doesnot wanna die.
True. Malaysia is plagued with racial discrimination
Thanks to politicians using religious as tools to control
No not really, Malaysia is making notable progress in economy and education
As long as there is corruption in Malaysia the majority in Malaysia will stay ignorant and suppressed while Singapore continues to prosper and progress in the 21st century!
It's more of those who are entitled, privileged, inequality the country won't improve. Brain drain is the outcome.
You think Singapore has no corruption? there are high profile cases of corruption too
And a smaller land mass & population seems easier to govern. No? 🤔
@@jameslim3850So? Compared to the amount of corruption in Malaysia that's like a drop in a bucket of water.
At least Singapore civil servants don't ask for kopi money all the time.
@@jameslim3850Meanwhile Singapore being the 5th least corrupt country, and the 2nd in Asia:
Singapore builds the country and unity first, before pride for the nation. Malaysia did the reverse.
Likewise Malaysia has chosen to unify her people by the use of a common national language. Remember that the Malaysian population is ethnically more diverse than Singapore's population. Moreover about 18% of Malaysians reside in the Borneo states across the South China Sea. The majority of the indigenous people there speak native languages like Iban, Kadazan, Suluk etc. Whenever I converse with these people in English, they look bewildered as they cannot understand a word I am saying. The moment I switch to Malay, we are able to communicate.
@brandenburg2388 That is why the leaders realised the mistake they have committed. Anang Johari said Green.Technology in English and Ai Technology also in English. Why should Sarawak become Jaguh Champion ( Village Champion)????
Sarawak no matter what official language in English.
你因此應該含有意識新加坡是馬來西亞的基地。
Anda oleh itu harus tahu bahawa Singapura adalah penjuru (asas) Malaysia.
馬來西亞概念﹝the “Grand Design”﹞的關鍵是新加坡。
Tunjang utama (linchpin) konsep Malaysia (the “Grand Design”) ialah Singapura.
砂拉越和北婆羅洲﹝沙巴﹞的領袖因此決定放棄他們更好的判斷來支持這個想法。
Pemimpin Sarawak & Borneo Utara (Sabah) oleh itu membuat keputusan menentang pertimbangan mereka yang lebih baik untuk meneruskan idea itu.
stop copying Singapore policy la,you think you bolek. talk big only
@@brandenburg2388 Are you sure Malaysia has more diverse ethnics than Singapore?! Malaysia has a unifying language that only a few countries use. English is the lingua franca for most of the world, which is why LKY decided on it.
Singapore being kick out of the Federation of Malaysia on 9th August 1965 was a blessing in disguise for Singapore.
You're absolutely RIGHT. Had Singapore still remain a part of Malaysia today, she would still be a fishing village or at it's very best, Singaporeans would still be living their lives in the 1960s.
Singapore's sole reason of joining was to stop the threat of communism
Once that is over they were seeking a way out
In other words they got premature independence
lucky for Singapore
@@raymondlow393: Singapore already had the highest standard of living in Asia after 日本国 anyway in August 1965, raymond.
Besides, it was in the UK’s interest to assure Singapore prospered - or at least progressed - as they had generations of their Asia-Pacific tertiary sectors established there.
For now
Malaysia is nowhere near Singapore in educational standards. I am a Malaysian with Singapore grandchildren. I know.
That is not true, i had worked with many Singaporeans who still struggle to speak fluent English (Very much broken) where i find Malaysians can speak way better.
@@RajaKumar-sj3et We can speak fluently if we want. We just prefer to use Singlish because we felt closer to each other by sprinkling it in our day to day conversations.
@@RajaKumar-sj3et , It depends on which group you are engaged with.
@@RajaKumar-sj3etit is the group of people you are interacting with.
Singapore, like Malaysia, has good and not-so-good English speaker. But the average English standard is pushed higher in Singapore due to the education system. If you cannot excel in English, your future is greatly jeopardized
and yet malaysian are coming over to conquer job opportunities.
Malaysia is not moving forward but backwards. Dr. M is the root cause of all these problems. Lee kuan Yew was a smart PM. Despite chinese being the majority race in Singapore, he still made English the national language because he was a man with a vision. He wanted to move forward. Unlike Malaysia, malay leaders stubbornly insist on the malay language as the national language despite knowing the fact that english is the international language. Besides, Religion Riding and Corruption are rampant.
🤕 can’t remove english!…what are we going to speak?
So...
Melayu is indeed the national language of Singapore. Singapore's national anthem is in melayu, Majulah Singapura.
People these days don't even know a single word of melayu excluding curse words. What a disgrace to late Lee Kuan Yew.
@@PP-vf1kx Sign language lol.
@@woshisin96 Malay is a language that has no place in the world except in Malaysia. What good is it for other than for ordering food, which is one of the only few things Malaysians can be proud of?
Malaysia just keeps marching in place.
Every time it moves forward, it U-turns.
Every time it moves backwards, it U-turns.
A lot of noise and movement, but nothing productive ever happens. But all the leaders get rich.
Then, the U-turns complete a full circle and repeatedly, it is circling endlessly...
I like your post. It's funny. Ha! Ha!
Malaysia talk big number one
@@LaoGuo-x3p Won gold medals in corruption
And yet your gov loves ft so much, and your jobs being taken by foreigners. Let hope PAP rule next 50 years. Foreigners is better than local sg. You talk so much works as cardboard collector.
😆😆😆
@@Macsalleh
Won gold medals in racism and stupidity too
No lar , taiwan talk big then number one , malaysia number dua.
Actually Malaysia was doing quite well back in the 1960s under Tunku Abdul Rahman. Many minorities such as chinese and indians thrived under TAR. Then came May 13 1969 which saw the rise of militant islamists such as Harun, Mahathir and many others. They used race and religion cards to overthrow the liberal government of TAR, and the demise of Malaysia slowly taking course. Missionary schools and convents became their targets and were shut down or converted to national (malay) schools. They did away with the english medium schools and replace them with Malay medium schools. Tudung became compulsory for the malay girls. They then created the Bumiputra status for the malays, orang asli, and Borneo indigenous people, and used it to openly discriminate the successful minorities such as chinese and indians in government jobs, housing, education, etc. This created a huge chasm between the majority malays and the minorities, based on race and religion. Today, Malaysia is one of the few apartheid countries remaining in the world.
when they fear that a language can spoil a whole culture says a lot about their mindset
Bro face it, alot of Singaporeans today dont know Chinese, and Singaporean Malay are slowly losing their grasp of the Malay language, u are typing nonsense
Umno Malay leaders fear English language is going to overwhelm 'Malay-ness' among Malay and outshine their supremacy over all others in Malaya.Umno are a group of 'unique' Malay that vowed not to allow 'English' to change mindset, destroy Malay culture and tradition.
i think Malaysia could have done much better without the bumiputera policy, which gives pretty comprehensive lifelong benefits to malays and non malay citizens are prejudiced second tier citizens right from the start.
Exactly. i’m a malay and completely oppose the bumiputra policy because obviously it is breaching the human rights.however, it took me years to try to understand from their point of view, the bumiputra policy is basically to take care of their own race. Kind of like in the ancient time people living in tribes and taking care of their own tribe..give it time who knows one day the next generation might evolve and have more sense.
Pernah-kah anda terfikir mengapa walaupun “non-Bumis” masih boleh peliknya menjadi begitu kuat nasionalistik untuk Malaysia?
Without bumi policy, our country will not be formed. The majority will be rioting on the streets, just like what happened with Malayan Union
P@@naniaom
@@8August1988bro belajar bm di Google translate🗿
Sabah and sarawak seperating from malaysia will make them richer than malaysia lol
If they don't secede their resources will continue to be stolen.
Exactly
You have no idea how corrupt the leaders are in Borneo, lol. It would be 10 times worse than it is now.
Went to Kuching n I wonder why they didn't.
Truefact!
Malaysia flip-flops on everything. Til today they can't even decide if their language is called bahasa Malayu or bahasa Malaysia 😂😂😂
Literally no difference between those two terms.
@@obscurifyed exactly, but these people have been arguing this nonsense for decades
Even their culture also flip floping as well😂
Well Bahasa Melayu is also used by Indonesia as Regional Language by Melayu people in Indonesia. Thats why there was such argument
@@MrSagowoonwhen? It is just interchangeable where I live (Selangor)
There's a difference between English proficiency versus English accent.
Every nation has its own accent in speaking (how the words sound). What matters more is what you say and how you say it- which means to be grammatically sound. And that include doing so in writing.
If some Malaysian politicians think that Singapore teachers are not good in English just because of one's accent, then they just need to scrutinize themselves among their government whether their ministers can speak grammatically correct English.
Furthermore, why would Singapore teachers volunteer in Malaysia when they can do so in Singapore? What benefits would they gain in doing so?
Furthermore, why would Singapore teachers volunteer in Malaysia when they can do so in Singapore? What benefits would they gain in doing so?
Exactly, Malaysia want to be a AI-country, Get English as main language first b4 you even talk about AI.
@@maxp670 - - - They probably are thinking to teach AI in Malay and call it A-Saya.
@@maxp670 Yeah, MP Phua was probably salty when the Spore v Msia comparison was brought up; and anyone who thinks an accent invalidates their ability to speak proper English is kinda stupid, but I think there is a sizeable population of proficient English speakers in Malaysia, it is just a matter of creating the right incentive to harness that ability, just like what Spore did to keep its best as teachers, Malaysia could learn those policies. Rather than bringing in Sporeans, which to your point, won't bring long term benefits, if they won't choose to stay long term.
Wdym “would”? Give money they come la. There’s no need for complicated motivations.
They don’t have to be trained classroom teachers but educated with good command of English. Volunteering to help a neighbour is what many Singaporeans are willing to participate in. Just need guaranteed LONG TERM support of Malaysian govt.
Under him, Malaysia growth stagnant...going backwards
NEP's Rights® takes the blame. Quota® is a political cutting tool used.
😂😂😂😂😂
History shown Dr.M has been a disaster and make what our nation to be in such a complex situations 😢😢😢
He had brought Msia to where it is - typically a 3rd world country for the next 100 years.
pocket full full
History showed he played a crucial role in Malaysia’s economic progress.
Singapore Mathematics & Science are top around Asian Countries. Malaysia popular subjects are agama & Bahasa. Sad to say, it lead the youth nowhere in areas of employment.
And Mexico are known for flipping tacos. Poor argument
Meanwhile science, math, account, physics, basically all subjects are now being taught in malay after I graduated in 2017. Disgusting education system.
They can be restaurant servers and hotel room attendants
😂🤣🤣🤣🤣😋😋😋😁😁😝😝😝
@ALean-y2d I’m not even malaysian fool
Dr M when he was minister of education for Malaysia, threw out the baby with the bathwater.
Substituted English medium teaching for Bahasa medium teaching.
Bahasa as well as English not instead of.
Dr M collapsed the education system in Malaysia.
A low level decision with no account for the future.
Singapore is light years ahead of Malaysia in this regard.
Pushing Malay at the expense of all else.
Dr M has screwed Malaysians in respect of their future.
Very true..,
While his children were educated in English and I’m very sure are still using English in their comms with him.
As I grew up in newly independent Malaysia in the 1960s in a family that spoke English, I experienced great difficulties trying to communicate with Malaysians of all ethnicities whenever I spoke to them in flawless English. My grasp of Malay then was very weak and the little Bahasa Pasar that I spoke was the only means to communicate with them. It was particularly bad whenever I travelled to the rural areas (Malay kampongs, Chinese new villages and the estates with 100% Indians) where hardly anyone spoke English. It was Malay again that saved the day for me. In all honesty, switching the medium of instruction of the national schools to Malay helped a lot to unify a nation populated by so many different ethnic groups and languages.
@@windydragon6522The elite had a leg up to top jobs in the private sector due to their high profiency in English. The rest of the Malay graduates were left to the crumbs of the govt sector.
I remembered Tun M lamented the English proficiency of govt officials at international level.
@@brandenburg2388You would no problem communicating with every race if English had been kept as the medium of instruction.
My wife got sick and tired of all the whole fark up systems in Malaysia and renounced her citizenship. Thank you Malaysia for giving my wife to me with her talent contributing to our Nation's progress 😂
I am the other way round. My family emigrated from Singapore to Malaya in the 1950s....lol
Because LKY had the foresight that English is vital as a business language, not any other languages (at least for now).
Just by crossing the border, you lost 70% of assets.
🤷♂️
jiuhubu song bo
Malaysia is capable of pusing kanan pusing kiri resulted in its failure to raise the standard of English teaching in schools. I left Malaysia long ago to reside in Singapore. Thanks to the Government of Singapore giving the best tertiary education to my children.
Makan roti canai banyak. Flip flop
Yes, I have been to Pusing, where there are friendly locals.
You can stay in flat until you die😂
@@henrysehgal658 Pusing has some of the best traditional kopitiams in the Kinta Valley.....lol
dont ever forget to thank your colonial master yeah, whom took your ancestors ,sent them here and resulting their descendent to bellitle other people with their master mother tongue. what a pride
These Boleh that Boleh only in giving out coffee money. CORRUPTION!
Talking rubbish.
bolehlanders! everybody know, Najib their bossku and their polis kopi money king LOL
Mahathir is the Prime Minister that ruined Malaysia. Mahathir is a politician first and foremost. Born Indian but hid his ethnicity by proclaiming to be a native Malay. Most educated Malaysians during the British colonial days were suitably educated and conversant in English.
However Mahathir decided to forego English in order to win support from the kampong Malays. When he met British PM Margaret Thatcher, Mahathir pretended to not know English and utilised a translator during the discussion. This is a man who went to UK to obtain his graduate degree. Big chip on his shoulder. Mahathir is the OG Mr 20%, enriching himself, his children and cronies.
If I am not mistaken, TDM studied for his MBBS in the University of Malaya, Singapore campus.
@@YoonLeeKokSingapore cab driver thought he was a servant😂
Everyone know he is Tamil but the paper deny him. Even Mahathir said himself that his father is from Kerala and he is a muslim.
Mahathir just went along.
Marathi ruined Malaysia by Malaysianising Malaysia . Got it ? Malaysia tak boleh
All Malay politician 's policy are Malay-Muslim oriented. That is why the education quality keep decline.
US and Western countries like it if a country is chaotic and poor.
@@TommyAlpha-gg3ig OH, blame the West. Typical behaviour. Tak tahu lihat diri-sendiri.
@Aseandonjuan education quality should be independent from politic, religion or race .
In Malaysia there was too much meddling by politicians in our education system. They have todate still not realised how they have blundered our education system. They try to be champions only to mess up their own kind
@@TommyAlpha-gg3igThat's why the better education tends to be privately owned
Our policies and priorities are not the same. Nonetheless, in Malaysia many high-income parents are sending their children to private institutions, and overseas graduates are finding jobs abroad and not returning, which has resulted in brain drain.
Sad to say.. Malaysia is bluffing itself. Yet dare not admit it for political reasons.. 😢😢😢😢😢
They judged our English efficiency by hearing we Singaporean speaking Singlish in social media or at public places. What they don't understand is that when we we write in English at academics and at work, it is different.
A common man making such mistake, forgivable. A member of parliment make such mistakes is mind-blowing. Its his job 2 know
Ai ya, I am a Singaporean, I know our pattern one lah. When we write at work or academics, we just copy here and paste there lah. U think we really so pro meh?? Mai xia suay can already lah.
@@chinchang5117 xia suay
@@chinchang5117 Ouch!
Did you plagiarise your thesis?
We are good at code switching most of the time💪🏻
Sarawak CM, YAB Abang Johari is the best, not even promoting English but Chinese certificate is also recognised with grants given to Chinese schools. Malaysian Federal government must learn and follow the footstep of Saeawak Chief Minister.
i think malaysia focus on islamic teaching more for it's malay people
Replacing Malay to English as the language of instruction it doesn't affect the outcome of Science Maths and Reading.
It's the quality of education, and in Malaysia it has regressed or become stagnant at best.
Malaysia is just too proud to admit Singapore is doing better in education than them, the unwillingness to admit they are not doing a good job is making them unable to change.. as they stubbornly keep their old ways. In order to improve, you need to first identify and admit the flaw, and then you can make the change.
If you are unwilling to admit your system is inferior then you will resist accepting change and continue to be producing poor results year after year.
Ego, pride and arrogance 😂
Do not enlighten them, let them keep it that way always.
Malaysia Is Neither Too Proud,Stubborn Nor Unwilling.Its Priority Rest On Race And Religion,Anything Else Has To Play Second Fiddle.
You need to remember that Malaysia is 455 times geographically larger and with 6 times more people than Singapore. There are over 60 different ethnic groups living in Malaysia, each having their own languages and dialects. The education system and language policies for such a country will be very different from that practiced by a city state with just 3 main ethnic groups.
你因此應該含有意識新加坡是馬來西亞的基地。
Anda oleh itu harus tahu bahawa Singapura adalah penjuru (asas) Malaysia.
馬來西亞概念﹝the “Grand Design”﹞的關鍵是新加坡。
Tunjang utama (linchpin) konsep Malaysia (the “Grand Design”) ialah Singapura.
砂拉越和北婆羅洲﹝沙巴﹞的領袖因此決定放棄他們更好的判斷來支持這個想法。
Pemimpin Sarawak & Borneo Utara (Sabah) oleh itu membuat keputusan menentang pertimbangan mereka yang lebih baik untuk meneruskan idea itu.
It was Mahathir who decline the use of English in major subject like math,Science and history.
History should always be taught in native language
He was the one who insisted the syllabus was taught in English for maths and science. A lot of people fought him on this, I still remember
How come outsiders know our history differently I wonder
@@noorulhasan4904 The problem with malaysia is english used as the main language for knowledge transfers. Creating a death spiral for BM and slowly marginalised it. Had BM did not used solely for history then sure enough the educated people would appreciate it more today.
And where did Mahathir's children go for their tertiary education?
Did you guess UiTM?
@@RUHappyATM Somewhere far in England or US.
Because Dr M loves Roti Prata
Madhatter is a mamak (like Singapore nasi lemak seller kelong president Halimah), a half-indian, despite writing A Malay Dilemma & being a Ultra Malay chauvinist.
Sorry. No such thing as Roti Prata in Malaysia. They have Roti Chani.😮
@@1968gadgetyoCase in point, they do not want to consider it as a synonym! 🫢
@@whizzardblizzard5696 No. The Malaysian will say Singapore stole the original idea from them and re-brand the item. Then Uncle Roger will slam Singapore for stealing Malaysian ideas. 🤔
Whether Malaysia will continue to flip flop is still based on their own policies and the acceptance of their own citizens.
What type of lives they pursue does not depend on the views of other nations.
Changes can only be made by their own citizens.
Good video. A small correction though, the National Language Act 1963/67 wasn't the reason the medium of instruction of schools switched to malay. Article 152 of the Federal Constitution permits the use of languages other than malay in schools. The law merely compels the federal and state governments to use the national language for "official purposes". English schools specifically were closed at the primary and secondary levels after the May 13 race riots of 1969.
Singapore, as part of Malaya, shared a similar history with regards to vernacular schools in 4 major languages: english, malay, chinese, tamil. After the initial separation of Singapore from the rest of Malaya via the creation of the Malayan Union, and subsequently the Federation of Malaya, Singapore and the Federation had diverging approaches to vernacular education. Malaysia designated malay medium schools as national schools with all others being labelled national-type, while in Singapore there was equal treatment for all 4 language streams. Also, Malaysia only allowed for 4 language streams at the primary level, with malay or english at the secondary level. Thus, after May 13, a political decision was made by then Education Minister Abdul Rahman Yaakob to announce the conversion of all english medium schools to the malay medium. He did this without consulting the Cabinet and gained enough political mileage to return to Sarawak as the next Chief Minister in 1970.
Long story short, constitutionally speaking english schools are not a problem, Article 152 was the same when Singapore was still in the Federation. In the end, the problem is not so much legal as it is political.
Malaysia boleh. They boleh at corruption. 😂
If y'all notice, quite a lot of Malay words are substitution from English words. This could make Malaysians less proficient and less reliance on the English language. It's a problem.
Recently a friend of my dad’s sent me a job posting from someone asking for the post to be sent to people in his network. It was the UN recruiting for a local officer in Malaysia. He said, and I quote, ‘they have received a lot of applicants but none of them have a good enough command of English for the position’. Note the role requires a masters degree from a ‘reputable university’ and fluency in English and Malay. I did not apply because I don’t have an interest in becoming a bureaucratic hack but it shed light on the reality of the failures of our education system. They extended the deadline by 2 weeks.
Singapore has a government comprising of international corporation grade members, that's why they are so successful.
what are you talking about? Most of our ministers are organically selected from civil services.
It’s not just about the language. A population that is less educated is easier to control and manipulate.
The fate and future of Malaysia have already been firmly grounded and oneself would be able to extrapolate its potential future development. Interestingly, Malaysia's "Federal Constitution of Malaysia", is written in the English Language whereas, the entire country's Education System presently is based primarily on Bahasa Melayu, thus in reality, most Malaysians present times, do not understand nor are taught nor even able to read their own country's Constitution. That can tell you plenty ... about this country's future ....
My late great grandma too couldn't read the consitution neither but she lived through the Brits colonials, the Japs occupation and the commies terrorism. She lived her life fully. Who wrote the constitution anyway? Monkeys?
Singapore’s use of English as a first language is indeed a smart choice. English, being an international language, facilitates business, education, and international relations, making Singapore a global hub while still allowing it to maintain its national identity with its Chinese, Malay, and Indian communities. I wonder why Malaysia doesn’t embrace the benefits of English in the same way and instead focuses primarily on Malay proficiency, fearing that it might change people’s identities. I don’t believe that children will lose their identities as Chinese, Malay, or Indian just by learning English. For example, my aunts and uncles studied many subjects in English during their time and remained loyal to their Chinese identity. I remember studying in a national school in 1976, where we began with mostly Malay textbooks, with only one English book. Before 1976, the situation was the opposite. I didn’t change my identity; I still identify strongly as Chinese. However, my proficiency in English suffered because we had limited English instruction. Our English teacher didn’t finish the curriculum, which left many students struggling. This was during Datuk Mahathir’s tenure as Prime Minister, when the education system shifted to prioritize Malay subjects. While he himself benefited from English education, many Malaysian children struggled with English because of these policies. I believe that while Malay is rightly the national language and should be taught in some subjects, it’s equally important to maintain English learning in many textbooks as well. We need to ensure that students have the opportunity to excel in English, as it is crucial for our country’s development and integration into the global economy. Unity can still be fostered through a strong good moral education that promotes love for the country, compassion for all living beings-including animals-people-by encouraging a vegan or plant-based diet to avoid killing them for food, and respect for everyone. If we embrace these values, our world could become a paradise of peace and harmony. During this urgent time, Pls be vegan for world peace to save yourself and everything and watch this--> www.suprememastertv.com. Thank You..May u be well n peace.
Its a fight of nationalism vs practicality.
Practicality is the one that puts progress and wealth forward.
Malaysia can chose whichever they want but why always criticizing Singapore?
Simple : the reason is envious!! Or to be direct '"red eye" ( jealous)😅😅.It is in their character, come to Singapore to earn the kind of money which their country cannot provide and repay this favour by criticizing Singapore(ans). When we go over to Malaysia to spend money they criticized we caused congestion, speeding, litering, causes their inflation to go up, etc. Of course it takes to hands to clap, some Singaporeans are inconsiderate but overall most of are stil law abiding over there. Who wants to break the law and get caught and pressurise to give "kopi money"?😅😅
It does not matter if the language is English, Malay, Chinese or Tamil.
If the citizens of both countries are happy where they are and where their future holds, that is the most important and already a blessing.
As friendly neighbours, let's wish each other the very best in our future endeavours as our fates are intertwined, like it or not.
I am Malaysian senior citizen. I volunteered teaching English grammar . Free of charge. Commencing July 2024 until today. It's true the malay student below the minimun
score. Mostly 20- 30/100.
The education system should start English lessofrom fr std 1. But the subject should not be compulsory in examinations.
When I sat for mce in 1970, we were never not taught 1st 2nd 3rd person. Without grammar knowledge, zero chance to learn a european language. I went to top notch boarding school.
Why kept saying Singapore been kick out.
If one day Singapore angry then stop the Malaysia permit to work in Singapore how ??
Malaysia used to have great English govt-run schools' legacy of the previous British government rules.Politicians ruined everything.They abolished English schools but kept Chinese and Tamil schools.
Bro, the Malay wanted all of these school gone.
Chinese and Indian fought to preserve their culture.
English has been the international language before most of us were even born. Not just useful for international business but also further education, with lots of books & materials in English. And lately Mandarin chinese is 2nd most useful due to China's rise in business and trade. Germans, French, Italians are very proud of their language but always keen to learn English, aware of it's importance. Sadly for some malays who think learning English will detoriate their "malayness". Whether it's due to hatred towards the West or insecurity, i can't really say.
Fact is, learning a foreign language will not make one lose his own identity!!!
😢Pathetic mentality.....
Long time ago, Malaysian PM and Education Department came out with this startling, yet ludicrous reason if Malaysians are not proficient in speaking, writing and reading in BM, there will be no loyalty and patriotism among its citizens, Malaysians would not be a United People, hence came the total reversal on using English as a medium of instruction in public school for all students, from there on, our students standard of English language continue to slide, until present day . Thank to our national leaders.
Malaysia does flip and flop over proficiency in English. Nothing gets done. We have lazy stupid politicians.
Not Malaysia but Putrajaya only. Shouldn’t involve the rest of Malaysians who want change and reforms in education.
Aims of Education: 1 Reading 2 writing 3 calculating . Contents of Education: 1 Science 2 Technology 3 Engineering 4 Arts 5 Mathematics . Purposes of Education: 1 Nurturing the Humanities 2 culture and 3 connoisseurship . English has just happened to be the best source of information
That’s the foresight of a brilliant leader where the country’s n people’s interests, not selfish personal interests,comes first, During the late fifties n sixties, when we spoke our mother tongue, beside English in class, we would be reprimanded by the Headmaster, let alone the teachers. Things suddenly ‘ overturned ‘ when this guy became the Education Minister in the seventies. He changed the whole structure of the Education system, emphasising Bahasa Malaysia as the medium of instruction. Of course we love n respect the BM but English was ‘ equally ‘ important ‘. He sent his children overseas n when they came back, they became political leaders, leaving our children hanging in the balance. Many of our graduates find it difficult to find a job in International companies as they require English but many cannot write a simple sentence. But before his retirement, he stressed on the importance of English, but far too late. But l see many Malay n Chinese parents nowadays send their children to English tuition classes.. What a encouraging sight. Nothing is too late.
During the early generation the education system was in English and the standerd was high.
He and cronies and pas are heroes of Australia, canada, singapore and many states. Thank you for sendind malaysian talents to us all these years.
Until ALL Malaysians can speak English those who DO will take it and go.
My English is not that good so I can only comment "Within You’ll Remain" By Tokyo Square to Boleh Land ❤
I agree. I was educated in Singapore and could compare it with Malaysia. When I worked in Malaysia, the locals were so much behind in thinking and language
I'm Singaporean born and bred. In Singapore we have lots of foreigners and big foreign companies. That's why our English is decent.
I liken Singapore to a Western MNC. That was one of the key reasons why Singaporeans are able to adapt to using English in their daily conversation.
…you’re a humble person for using the word,decent! 😜
The mother tongue in singapore is declining especially for chinese.
@@muhdhusni9227the younger software engineers doesn't need to use Mandarin in banks especially when their bosses are Europeans or indians in sg. Mandarin are only used in Chinese banks or in departments dealing with Taiwan credit card products.
I wouldn't even use the word decent but "Just Enough" to get the message across people. It's literally singlish or directly word for word from mandarin and people can't even speak proper mandarin when approached. No need to boast
The outcome in the society and economic development speaks for itself.
Compare both the education systems and school administrations along with facilities across both countries to see the sharp contrast. Iant it obvious?
Mahatair was the prime minister, Anwar pmx was the minister of education. Please get this right. As u can see he Anwar is not even bothered to make this right - sighting that it very difficult n needs time.
Remember history properly who was where and did what
You got it right
Please try to seperate National Language and Official Language.
When a country nationalise without considering future impacts, things fall apart!
0:00 My only concern is, why is there a need to insult potential volunteers? 🤷♂
If you prefer to engage local teachers, just say so. The MP's comment is just unnecessary.
Huge chip on his shoulders.
As a teacher, I do think both countries could use help in teaching English proficiency at schools, especially how to pronounce words in English. There is a reason why Arabs people pays teachers from western countries to teach their students English, so they learn to speak it properly. The Montessori curriculum is a good way to teach English, since it starts from learning all the phonemes. Start at age 3, when the sensitive period for Language is happening! So they will become more eloquent when expressing themselves.
Righteousness exalts a nation
Testament to
Proverbs 11:11
Please we already do not have enough teachers here in Singapore
@thulomanchay Agreed... Although teaching is a noble profession, sadly, most qualified individuals, including scholars, have opted to build their careers in the other industries.
Singaporean here. I would say that Singapore's situation is unique in that there was no obvious language choice at that time. English as the medium of education evades the problem of siding with any race which makes it a good choice. That is, every race is a little bit unhappy, but will not be totally upset. This is unlike malaysia which has establish itself as a Malay country and thus difficult to justify ditching their own language for another language. So, I wouldn't say we are smarter, but our pioneers did took advantage of a problem to make it a strength.
Yes, but at the time wasn't Singapore like 70% Chinese? Isn't Malaysia like 40% Malay, 40% Hindu and 20% Chinese? I think it was in 1965.
The emphasis of creating the New Malay language as the pride identity of Malaysia ahead of any outside connectivities condemned the Malaysian people to a inward stagnation
Basically, no one outside Malaysia give a damn of translating precisely data and knowledge into this newly created language.
The market for Malay is too small.
Hence, the self imposed barriers to progress.
@thulomanchay you forget Philippines.
Still , it is a case where the infancy of creating a language from scratch where no written form existed with mixed in national prestige.
There are geopolitical hurdles.
Malay ain't Indonesian.
Malay is a loose identity promoted in Malaysia with predominantce in West Malaysia. The same goes for only a small part of Indonesia mainly around the Rio islands .
@thulomanchay manage.... But they don't share same text. You forget the nationalism , else they be one nation.
Same time , there are a lot of sub groups especially within Indonesia who will not be caught dead to be Malay.
The origins before independence may bear a similarity, but after nationhood there is an effort to move away.
That's why Malay ain't going to be internationally accepted.
If there is an acceptance , it will be Indonesia . With Malay as a sub set.
Of course the Malays won't buy it.
Fundamental quirks.
Baharsa is language. Malayu is a definition. Just for your academic interest.
@thulomanchay nay. You missed the crux. Not many in this world bother to come to grips with Malay like English.
Neither with Indonesia coming to grips using standardized Malay.
Tagalog the similar version in Philippines is the best anti example. No one bothers coming to grips with Tagalog from Indonesia and Malaysia . Although there are similar nouns , in phonetics , they are only entertained only when necessary.
80%+ in each country don't give a damn for cross border usage.
Another thing. These languages have no written form before independence, they borrow the English alphabet. For Nationality, they tend to spell the same thing different without any vocal associations with English pronunciations.
Ha ha. On the China diaspora, you are clearly doing it from an armchair . The Chinese language ain't what you conclude to be.
Nay. . The languages in Malay , Indonesia , Philippines , although sharing a vocal association before nationalism, are still a evolving thingy. Meaning any new term especially in technology, would be directly sub into their sentences , not necessarily meaning exactly the same.
This would be changed at a later date to a national spelling and local pronunciation later.
Hence, you are dealing with coming to grips with a language that ain't final.
Here, you are not even accounting for data and facts translation.
I don't think you know the situation for the Malay language to be progressive in the modern age.
@thulomanchay ha ha. A dream.same with EU. Why not France and England, after all, before King John, the Plantagenet Royals owned most of France.
Nay. It won't happened.
The frictions between different communities won't allow such an event.
Since before the Europeans as on Portuguese arrived in these parts, the Achehness in Sumatera and the Malays in Malacca have had fought for centuries. Wars akin to Rome and Hannibal.
Indonesia is governed from Java. There is a dominance of Javanese.
Your Bali ain't Indonesia Mainstream
A small subset considered a minority with Indonesia. Not considered Malay by Malays at all.
I dubbed your language picked up will be seriously useful in other parts of Indonesia , Malaysia.
To entertain a tourist is one thing. To use it to compete with locals for a living is totally on a different level.
Why don't the whole world speak one lingo. Cannot be English
Ha ha. You get the gist of the problem?
Put in this way. To call a Javanese Malay can be very unhealthy.
Singapore english teachers will have plenty of work in Singapore.
To teach in rural Malaysia may not be attractive to them since thay are used to cities convenience.
Volunteers will not be many.
Roti prata country
Is that a bad thing though? hmm😊
Roti canai
I remember how difficult it was for me going from Malaysian public school to Singapore. I had to ask my maths teacher what minus meant as I only knew Malay maths terminology. Back then Malaysian education wasn't as bad as now, though I could see the rot forming. Best thing that ever happened to me was moving to Singapore. I wasn't treated as a second class person and I worked my butt off to excel at school. I'd never go back to Malaysia.
I’m Singaporean, Malaysia is our neighbour and brother. Why all these bad mouthing? If they want to do it their way, let them do it. The early leaders in Singapore chose a different path. It could have gone both ways. As Singaporeans, we should help our neighbours within our means. If you can’t help then keep silent and stay neutral. We are doing well from past decades nationalism. It is not a given that it will always be the same. Think before commenting. Help when you can if not don’t create unnecessary friction🙏🏽❤️
@@vjyfit Why someone should help an apartheid country like malaysia??
Lack of political will, used to staying in the comfort zone and absence of moral courage to change the status quo are the reason for this.
Private school and college for chinese and indian refused to use and include Malay language in their education curriculum. It's severe that chinese minister almost can't speak Malay language without reading papers while at the parliament assembly.
I remember about 20 years ago when Malaysia wanted to build up English proficiency in Malaysia school. I thought that was a positive step forward.
My friend from Sabah told me the effort would fail. He said his aunt volunteered and was chosen to be an English teacher. He said his aunt's English proficiency was poor at best and worse than his. He pointed out that I knew his English proficiency and it was not good at all. Using that as a marker, do I feel his aunt was qualified to be English teacher. It was obvious, by Singapore standard, she was not qualified at all. That was why the efforted failed miserable.
Corruption is so deep rooted in Malaysia, it’s beyond help. It’s like stage four cancer.
Malaysia win god medals in corruption every year
Malaysia win gold medal in corruption every year
When our country English has deteriorated to what is to day. Yet we still have leaders whom do not want to admit and are continuing to self pride that we still have good sufficient English teachers around.
With very good English educated Citizens yes. Many of them were not in the teaching professional, many doing their own businesses, employed in private sectors, even Government servants but not in the teaching sector, many good English teachers were in the private school, colleges and universities.
So to filled up our vacuum in our education sectors the nearest availability having almost the same given culture Singapore English teachers if willing to assist us is the most suitable advantages to us.
What else if both the Primers can have their mutual of understanding agreement. Wasn’t that wonderful?
I had met many malays in malaysia these are 50yrs onwards they speak very fluent english..
The statement in the beginning by Malaysian politicians saying that Malaysia has plenty of "experienced" English teachers and Singaporeans aren't that proficient in English anyway, is total and absolute rubbish. I had the privilidge of teaching both Malaysian and Singaporean undergrads for 5 years in an English-speaking university, plus another 1 plus year in professional academia. The ones that had the most challenge in adapting to an English speaking environment are unsurprisingly, the Malaysians and especially if they haven't taken any English enrichment classes. No it's not discrimination, it's fact, to deny otherwise would be ACTUAL discrimination against these students because you're too proud to acknowledge a problem and continue to exarcebate the problem.
As a singaporean who speaks american english, I have to agree that most singaporean doesn't speak english but in fact a mixture of singlish or dialect. It is our own uniqueness and i believe most people would turn their head if they hear singlish spoken overseas and find it amusing. Personally, I would love to see singapore giving dialects more freedom and chances.
Speaking of education...Malaysian colleagues shared that they were glad that they're able to send their kids to study in singapore(Even if the cost is much higher) because education system seems more "complete" here than malaysia. They also mentioned that education in malaysia are often prioritising muslim friends when it comes to subsidies or any form of help (Might be a form of personal POV but i believe citizens have eyes to see and heart to feel)
Everyone in Singapore are required to speak proper English in more formal settings, such as during presentations in school or at work. It is rather strange for you to assume that "most singaporean doesn't speak english" as if the majority are incapable of code-switching.
I was wondering the wtf is "rawt" until somebody point out is american way of saying "route". Sounds weird.
Wah American accent!
>"most singaporean doesn't"
>"education in malaysia are"
> *american english*
Sure sis, whatever you say
We (Singapore) never initiate this idea. Malaysia can carry on to do what deem fit for their nation.
Because Mr Lee KY was our founding father 🙏
He made the hard choices, sold it as necessary to attract foreign investment, emasculated the groups that would have weaponized it against him and then built on his success for his next hard choice.
And now he is seen as a visionary.
Deservedly.
tahniah pada Singapore. you deserve it. Malaysia masih berusaha untuk memperbaiki Dari Semasa ke semasa utk memajukan ENGLISH dlm budaya memandang kan terdapat pelbagai Kaum,bangsa dan etnik termasuk budaya dan adat yg masih dijaga hingga sekarang.Saya ingin bertanya,
jika benar Singapore lebih maju Dari Malaysia, bijak kewangan, bijak uruskan negara,pandai uruskan masa depan utk rakyat Singapopre Malah rakyat² nya rasa bersyukur dan bertuah dapat keluar Dari Malaysia, UNTUK APA LAGI nak ambil tahu dan buang masa dgn beri komen² negative pada Malaysia ? apa manfaat nya? apa kepuasan nya? selagi tak dapat nak MEMBANDINGKAN KEHEBATAN dgn menghina atau pandang rendah pada rakyat Malaysia atau kerajaannya, selagi itukah tak dapat rasa negara Singapore hebat? tentu tidak. jadi sudah² lah. Malaysia atau Singapore, masing² ada masalah tersendiri yg perlu mereka hadap. nak tolong ke tak nak, masing² ada sebab dan hak. kita negara berjiran. SEPATUTNYA merapatkan, bukan bermusuh dgn nak banding kan siapa lagi HEBAT? Cari kelemahan dan kesalahan ? is it worth it?
We are united not just because of English, but much contribution due to National Service
Mahathir will always be compared to LKY, as a benchmark. Who did better? Today we live to see the results
Both Singapore and Malaysia have a history closely related and intertwined. But we do not interfere in each other’s internal political affairs. What language Malaysia would like to use in their schools and universities is entirely up to them.
Blamed previous PM M, he was too proud to admit that Singapore is more developed than herself
I see many comments on Singaporeans' command of English being actually worse than Malaysians' stating they use an improper localised English called Singlish that's hard to understand. While that's true, it applies to casual speech, it's never used in written English obviously and they stop using it at the drop of a hat when required or in a professional setting.
Singlish is the same as any other colloquial dialect used by English speakers - the use of slang, short cuts and words borrowed from other local langauges. Singaporeans speak fast and with an accent, which takes some getting used to. But, no harder than getting used to Australian, New Zealand, and South African accents and vernacular. And, infinitely easier than trying to understand some British accents!
I think English should be introduced at kindergarten level before primary and secondary education. So that students will be comfortable with the language and gradually become proficient on it. To suddenly start it on mathematics and science at one go, it will be worrisome to those who lack in the language and those who feel that the importance of the Malay language will decline. It should be discussed further for the betterment of future generations.
Their flip flopping is done on purpose--to win non-Malay votes in the short term.
But the long term trajectory is still the same--sticking to Malay since the early 70s.
Thanks to these Malaysian policies and politicians, Singapore has become RELATIVELY ahead economically and technologically. Singapore has a lot to thank Malaysia for its success. Please note that immediately after independence in 1957 to 1968, the medium of instruction in schools was English. It was this pioneer generation that actually set up the Malaysian economy and industrialisation which was slowed down by its stupid policies. 😢
I don’t think Malaysia would necessarily need English educators from Singapore or even need to be full on fluent in English. They just need to get their priorities right. Look at Japan now. If they aren’t so xenophobic and Japan is only for Japanese only shutting their doors to “outsiders” literally speaking, they wouldn’t have fallen behind. As for Malaysia, if you put religion and race before meritocracy for obvious reasons, well, then you’ll stay where you are.
Going to the stone age
Malaysia does NOT need foreigners to teach English in schools as they already have a pool of capable local teachers. All the MoE needs to do is to look out for them and tap into their talents. The nation also has brilliant minds to design a curriculum that lasts - but many are sidelined for political reasons, or they left retired early out of frustration.
Actually they won't stay where they are. They will continue sliding down the ladder of excellence.
@@kevchua67Agreed. Many retired professionals with excellent English would be willing to be trained as teachers. But no, Malaysia prefers to spend money on foreigners than retraining and paying their own citizens who are willing to serve.
Japan , Korea , China did not speak much english but excell in modern science and technology surpassing most of english speaking countries.
They send students to top english speaking universities.
@@reidzasawai7521..HOW TO TEACH AN UNEDUCATED WORLD VIEW CANDIDATES THAT'S DONT WANT PROGRESS TO EXCEL....GOOD LUCK TO MALAYSIA😢😢😢😢😢
It's good that Malaysian politicians object to some countries including Singapore which generously offer help to solve their problems. They can win some political credit and votes in the process. They can solve the problems themselves. If they don't see it as a problem and are happy where they are where education of their citizens is concerned, so be it. The leaders and royalties themselves have other means - by sending their children overseas where English is the main medium of instruction. You see many Malaysian families got their children to wake up at 4 am every morning to send their children to schools in Singapore, but not the other way round. If Malaysian leaders are contented with such an arrangement, let the status quo remains. When you see no problem, see no issues, there is no need for solution. Don't worry, be happy.
malaysia is malaysia and singapore is singapore. everyone have their own vision for the country. Obviously, malays want to use malay as their national language. it's the same as if you're spain, germans or whatever. And in these countries they have their own geniuses. Doesn't mean you have to know english to become an expert in anything. English is just a tool for communications. Unlike english folks, most other non-english countries are bilinguals. They can speak different and many languages.
And Malaysia remains the kampong champion because “malayness”😂
@@realgrilledsushi
No harm for that.
Some Malaysian chinese able to speak malay, chinese , english and own dialects like hakka, hokkien or canto. I do think that mastering average language level for multi lingual speaker actually do more advantaged then single language user. Malaysia education is not easy for some as we need juggle different language subjects particularly if you study chinese, english and malay under Primary and Secondary school curriculum.
In my opinion, it would be best to maintain Malay as the medium of instruction in national schools. The demographics of the country still favour this arrangement. Nearly 70% of the population are Malays and other indigenous ethnicities from Sabah and Sarawak who are more comfortable speaking Malay and Borneon languages which are closer to Malay than to English. In addition, a large portion of the population are residing in rural areas where very little or no English is spoken or used. If the entire national school system were to switch to using English overnight, even for science and mathematics, many of these students would struggle to understand their lessons. What is important in education is not the language used to teach but to ensure that the students fully comprehend what they are being taught. This is best achieved by using the language which the students are most comfortable and familiar with. We see the same situation in schools in advanced countries like Germany, France, Sweden, Denmark, Japan, South Korea and Taiwan. Despite English not being the medium of instruction in their schools, their technological prowess is world renowned and they are among the most prosperous nations on earth. Clearly Malaysia has been following the correct and most logical path in her effort to integrate and unify her people though the use of a common national language.
As long as there are Lordship status, unity is a nonsense word. Will you befriend some one thst is superior to you? You won't and you stay away from them..Sane with Lordship, they too are migrants from Micronesia.
@@truthful3777 sorry but I do not fully comprehend your comment. Care to explain in layman's language?
Yes, please continue with the Malay language.
All Singaporean kepo here about other country. Their country let them decide !