The general public have the legal right to roam anywhere on public land and see, photograph and video anything they are able to view without being caused alarm, harassment and distress. It is the duty of the police to enforce this legal right.
@@JoeyRhubarb I had to watch it back closely, you're correct. On the fleece above all the other police logos. At least toilet cleaners are useful and know their job!
The whole point of these video is to ruffle feathers and upset people but fair play its making him money just feel sorry for the security guards they don't get paid enough to deal with grey area stuff like this.
@@alanmellor6739 he's actually showing how our rights and laws are not followed /respected by the police or any authority. The only feathers that are ruffled are the feathers of incompetence.
It is in fact an offence to prevent or to attempt to prevent a person from going about their lawful business. The PCSO's and security have broken the law.
The PCSO said you are making people feel “uncomfortable.” Crime is on the increase and the police (and plastic police = PCSO) priority is their concern about people feeling ‘uncomfortable.’ Well done for standing up against such ridiculous tyranny.
and surely you noticed the cameras o n t h e i r c h e s t s ... ... yet another case of 'our cameras good, your camera bad' (because we can't control the content)
@@MrAndrewFarrow If The CIty really is part of England, then why does the monarch need permission form the Lord Mayor to go there? 🤔 Agree with what you've been saying about Canary Wharf being private land though. The same rules apply as for any other publically accessible private land - you're free to go there until asked to leave by the landowner or their agent.
What is wrong with these security people?....The Met police are a disgrace utterly clueless and an embarrassment. Also, she is pretending to be a police officer, clearly saying Police Staff on her badge. The last security woman filming you and complaining that you're filming her 😑 you couldn't make it up.
@@chrisfs150 They can absolutely legally trespass you from Canary Wharf in its entirety. Canary Wharf is privately owned, this includes all land. The walkways are not owned by the council.
As an ex police officer ,these so called security guards need to be taught the law by the companies they work for ,because they are talking utter rubbish ,
You are very much mistaken. Canary Wharf is private property and filming there (even when you're stood in the road) is no different to filming on any other private property. The only parts that are the public highway are Westferry Road and Westferry Circus and also Marsh Wall. The rest is all private property.
@@NickLeaits private property absolutely but most importantly also a public place so they cant prevent filming , luckily uk law is clear on this... Which is why the police and security didn't remove him nor arrest him...
Walking whilst filming is another channel that regularly films there, as I expect he is local to London. He stands his ground, doing his photography. In fact the dude outside the HSBC, was in a recent video he showed.
A mass audit of Canary Wharf happens every year on the occasion of the London Marathon. Thousands are out with cameras filming, taking stills etc. Not a single word from so called Security, Polizi, or Uncle Tom Cobley. Not a single word uttered. Amazing !!!! Like the idea of a mass audit at other times though.
I find two things particularly shocking about this: 1) How can the security and police in this area STILL not understand the laws and what they can enforce. You’d have thought by now they would all know - but they make it up as they go! 2) imagine the pure arrogance that just because it’s the financial district, that means they control everything and everyone. They are no more special than you and I, and have no more rights than anyone. Canary Wharf clearly needs more auditors to visit to bring them all up to scratch.
The Peoples Comfort Support Officer needs to be trained in the freedom of public photography. For goodness sake, how many dash cams and even people just walking around with their eyes open, pass through Canary Walk each day? The 'Uncomfortable People' really need to get blinds or privacy glass.
Or move to another country were public photography is not allowed. How about the Hong Kong and Shanghai bank moving back home if they do not like our laws.
Great video DJ... Glad to see you standing your ground when they told you to leave. I'm really enjoying the video because I haven't been to London for years and it's lovely to see canary wharf and other interesting places via video , thank you 👏👏👏👍👍👍💖
You shouldn't let any security or police interrogate you for carrying out a perfectly legal activity, don't answer any of their questions and carry on with what you're doing.
This place need every auditor in the country to audit this place on mass…who do these people think they are that they can control what people do on the street..they are our streets not the corporations streets
It's taking the American "model", You're making me feel uncomfortable/ how would you feel? You're filming children ( er, maybe - so what? One auditor had a girl come out and imply the 5 male auditors were being creepy for filming primarily women , from outside the business.I don't believe the business was "women only allowed" so all fair game for the camera.
If you are on a bus or train you dont go through any barriers or signs saying its a private estate. Also its possible to walk or cycle in without seeing them too.
It's worrying how many security people are making up the law on the spot. People shouldn't be struggling on a very basic level of dignity and knowledge. Those PCSO's were also struggling with the law and knowing what public areas are, they shouldn't lower themselves.
@@NickLea I know, yet there's publicly accessible areas of Canary Wharf which then get covered by public accessibility laws, and too many people struggle to comprehend that.
@@godsgod1677 So what are these "public accessibility" laws (serious question)? And please don't try saying "Section 33" as we all know that is totally irrelevant.
@@MrAndrewFarrow You don't know how to comprehend the law, which is okay most people don't. That's why we have courts, they will have a level of comprehension more akin to my understanding.
Before Canary Wharf was built the area contained public roads with an historic right of way. I am guessing that those rights of way were incorporated into the site.
If you have a look on old maps of the area then what is now Canary Wharf was then West India Dock and part of South Dock. These were private docks where goods from/to the Caribbean were imported and exported. If you compare the modern day map showing the outline of Canary Wharf (eg on Google maps) with historic maps of that area you will see that the only public roads in that area is what is today Westferry Road and Marsh Wall and the few roads to the west of there near to Limehouse Hole Stairs (there used to be a pier there). Before the area was developed there was no roundabout. Westferry Road used to be called Bridge Road. Marsh Wall did not exist and was built over old railway lines that served a large grain storage depot just to the west of Millwall Inner Dock. The roads to the west of Westferry Road are now a plaza containing various high rise buildings like the Canary Riverside Plaza Hotel. So, apart from Bridge Road, which is now Westferry Road and the plaza next to the river and Limehouse Hole Stairs there were not any public roads going through what is now Canary Wharf. I believe (although may be mistaken) that footpaths shown within Canary Wharf are "permissive" footpaths rather than a public right of way.
The worst thing about these people who hate being filmed is that they are always filming you themselves. Nothing worse than double standards and hypocrisy.
The Canary Wharf holding company insist that the whole area is private property. However Ken Livingstone who was mayor at the time of construction has challenged that concept. He says when they purchased the property they had to agree to a number of roads still being public access over which they have no authority.
The Metropolitan Police issued guidance to every Police force in the UK, stating it’s not illegal to film from public areas, the guidelines where issued owing to the massive amount of £££££ in compensation paid to Auditors and Photographers
Yep, guidelines mate, that the stasi disregard with impunity with no consequences. All they are worried about is the image and bad publicity associated with their disregard - the compensation itself is effectively paid by us, the taxpayer. They couldn't give a 💩
This needs to be taken up by someone all the way to the Supreme Court if required. There is nothing in the paperwork of canary wharf, other than their illegal permit system, that says you cannot film in public on streets or areas otherwise open to the public.
Canary Wharf in its entirety, is privately owned, hence all the land including walkways are privately owned, that allows public access. They can withdraw that access at anytime they want.
@MadDog_Rules they can't, though, as this is a condition of the planning and building. They must allow public access, even if it is privately owned land.
@@MadDog_Rulesto add more info, have a read of the London Plan and regulations around POPS, planners and property owners must stick to the stipulated regulations, even if they own the land, they agree to conditions.
@@geoffcarlton4047 Do you have a link to that, i couldn't find it. Have a feeling you're misunderstanding the context of it. Allowing public access, does not mean they can not remove you from this space and have their own policies in place. To drive into Canary Wharf, you have to pass through barriers, they can refuse entry if they want to. And obviously they are going to allow public access, people live there and work there 😅
@@chrisfs150 It isn't publicly owned, therefore it is not a public space, Canary Wharf is a private estate that is accessible to the public. As a privately owned estate, they can make any laws/rules they deem fit. If they don't want you filming there, they can trespass you. I think you're confusing a private building being filmed from a public walkway, that is owned by the Council, the walkway is not public, it's private, hence Canary Wharf being a private estate.
@@chrisfs150 Privately owned land can allow access to the public, they can also revoke that at any time they want. The walkway is not owned by the Council. So whilst the company who owns Canary Wharf, allows public access, the entirety of Canary Wharf, is privately owned and they can trespass anyone they want. You're confusing a privately owned building and a public walkway owned by the Council.
Not entirely private land as it is criss crossed by public footpaths that follow the lines of the new roads as part of the original planning permission as ex London mayor Ken Livingston pointed out when they tried to stop him filming there.
@tonyb1223 you are not correct in your assumptions and need to view youtube's terms and conditions to correct yourself. What is happening with most youtube content is actually considered art and intellectual property by the uploader that is then given publicity advertising by youtube or not that will earn youtube the money from the advertisers and youtube gives a "cut" to the owner. look at uk laws another way. A farmer owns a field that has a path on it that has been a right of way for decades. he owns the path, but may never block the path and if it's covered in seasonal growth he has to provide a work-around. Walkers on the path can stop, eat, take pictures, and all that one can do on a publicly owned path. The farmer can NOT stop those actions because it is not within his policies on his farm. The only caviet is if your actions scares his animals, but not his workers. They have no right to stop your freedom to film irrespective of what he then does with his film after the fact. He has no guarantee that he will be paid which is why its differnt from commercially made film. i hope this clears your confusions.
@@tonyb1223 check their planning permission, they have to respect all the public rights of way that were on the original property before Canary Wharf were allowed to build.
I believe you may be thinking about the Westfield shopping centre in Stratford. There is certainly video of Ken Livingstone speaking with the police there when they try to stop him filming (search "Ken Livingstone (Ex-mayor of London) Takes on Police over Filming"). Are you certain he also did the same in Canary Wharf? I believe (although may be mistaken) that the footpaths in Canary Wharf are "permissive" rather than public rights of way.
@NickLea I think you are correct with both your assumptions (on the location of Ken, and the original legal positioning of the paths) However, Ken makes valid points. It's also true that paths might indeed be private and new paths installed, but never without public consultation and never to the detriment of the paths in question. Also it's the "right of way" that is the cause for confusion for most, I feel. A right of way is just that irrespective of who owns the path. Just ask any farmer that has come across the Rambling Association. These owners want to stop the freedoms that a right of way might involve, and that includes filming.
Look, I am flabbergasted. I live very rural in outback Australia. To see this hustle and bustle, glass and concrete, everybody trying to hurt/worry everyone else. IT IS JUST ABSURD. How on Earth do you all live like that ? That last woman(?) sounded to me like she(?) was a guard at a Gulag........ How the other half live eh.
There is private property that is publicly accessible. In this instance, it is Private property INTENDED for public use. Essentially you're on a public street. Like a shopping mall. The pathways are intended for public use to access publicly accessible private businesses. Freely accessible public right of way will be in the Ts&Cs of renter's & leaseholder's contracts.
" Essentially you're on a public street. Like a shopping mall." A shopping mall is NOT a public street. It is private property to which the public are invited to enter if they have legitimate business there. Canary Wharf is no different.
"There is private property that is publicly accessible" Indeed. Have people never heard of a public footpath, for example? Private land over which the public have right of way.
That woman MAGDALENA security guard at the end of the film, I must admit that she is a great embarrassment to the Polish community in England, it's sad,
So many photographers regularly shooting this kind of stuff around London. It really is disgraceful that the commissioner of the MET Police hasn't educated his staff on the law. It makes the police come across as absolute clowns. Rediculous and shameful. No wonder the police are loosing public trust. It's also extremely shocking that so many police support staff turned up to speak to one photographer. Very clearly the intent was to intimidate a citizen who is going abroad his lawful business. Senior management need to understand that they are employees of the public and quit their intimidatory activities.
Because it’s obvious, one person walking around filming things poses far more danger than 1000s of people walking down the streets shouting genocidal slogans and waving the flag of a foreign country. Just part of living in batshit bonkers Britain.
“I’m just doing my job” says totally thick and ineffective plastic copper. Not doing it very well the watching audience thinks. At least one of them kept quiet. Best to not speak and for everyone to think you are stupid than speak for everyone to know you are.
What do they do with cars that have dash cams. Do they stop all the cars and tell the to turn there dash cams off. Totally ridiculous. Keep on the good work.
My own private estate covers 97 acres and I would be very grateful if you taxpayers would now fund an extensive road and rail network to help me get around it; as well as paying for police to ensure my privacy and protection. Thank you in advance for your generosity.
That dozy karen cop thinks that, because she speaks politely, she can FORCE people to what she wants. It's about time allthe "uncomfortable" people were charged for wasting police time. My shoes are uncomfortable (cos they're a size too small), but I wouldn't DREAM of phoning the police and asking them to have a word with the shopkeeper who sold them to me!!
Heres an idea ,why not invite a refugee from one of our hotels ,for a day out ,showing them around our fantastic architectural buildings. You would be welcomed to film any buildings of interest . Im sure you would be allowed to film what you like. 😊
Best line I have seen an auditor use on a copper was by Focus Pocus ......... "Is this the only right that I have that you want to take away or are there any others" They just had no answer 😂
Still amazes me that companies put these 20 ft high windows all around the lobby/reception area and decorate them so beautifully but then the employees tell us that we can’t photograph them. If they can be seen from a public space then they can be filmed from a public space. It’s really quite simple !
Same with many banks etc in the high street some with their computers on show, We installed glass "walls" but don't look in, Oh and if you look inside and see private information its your fault not ours. Crazy
Is it a private estate?? Not sure if someone mentioned it 😂 This is what happens when you employ people who's IQ starts with a decimal place. She definitely didn't have the IQ to understand the law.
Yes it is a private estate! They can make whatever rules they like. a bit like Disney Land!!! ... and if they don't like what you are doing ... they can ask you to leave ... like Disney Land.
WALKING FILMING,,,,Did exact same buildings yesterday,same security guard..the not allowed one ..but he was put in his place and told it was ok to film...SO a day later still NOT ALLOWED...
Why do they put these buildings in the middle of London if they are sensitive, build them on a remote Island in Scotland . PCSOs are poorly trained and have no understanding of law.
She's pretend police, all they are allowed to carry is tiewraps and a radio. They are one step up from a night watchman and have no real authority, the police dogs have more training and authority than them. I laugh at them, they think they are real police when they haven't had the training or know the laws, they are really a running joke. I love how most of the security know nothing about the law and make themselves look so dumb on youtube. You want to link these vids to their bosses and see how many of them still have a job in the morning.
She doesn’t know the law but keeps saying “they are not happy with you being here” and thinks that’s enough to move you on in case you hurt their feelings.
It's common with police not to investigate anything properly, they just demand/or request you move on. It's the new lazy policing model, to make lazy coppers duties even easier.
Every piece of land in this country is "privately-owned " and registered with land registry so on that basis we shouldn't be allowed to film anywhere😂😂😂
30:42 So she lied when she didn't deny being a police officer at the start of the "conversation". She didn't correct you and say that she was only a PCSO.
They hate it when someone has more knowledge than them. Very entertaining and they are actually beautiful buildings...thanks for showing us canary wharf
As someone who is disabled and can't visit places like that (even as I live in the uk). I appreciate videos such as this. The only way I get to see Canary Wharf is on the Apprentice tv show 😂 Also, I looked up photography laws there... Quote directly from Canary Wharf spokesman.. “We don’t prevent members of the public taking photos. It’s only for commercial photography that we require a permit. The security guards have to make that call - one of the issues that may cause confusion these days is that the public have increasingly sophisticated equipment which could cause security to question them. “We do ask commercial photographers for a permit because their projects can be intrusive and disruptive.” So umm, yea. Good luck with trying to stop people doing perfectly legal activities. And as for the PCSO, lying that she's a Police officer is illegal. If it wasn't for her being so nice, I'd report her. But yea, a nice personality with some understanding, goes a long way. That last woman seems to have been educated at the right time. That could have gone very badly for her. Thanks for the video
Yeah I used to live there and I had to walk though that street nearly everyday, security everywhere, cameras everywhere looking at everyone closely, spying on everyone's face... Very scary place for children to walk and adults too... Everyone on high alert day after day and year after year...
Online it says the whole area is private property owned by Canary Wharf Inc and permits are required if you posting on SM or for profit. 😮 that’s a big private area lol 😂 From the web page: You do not necessarily require a permit if: You are taking the images for solely amateur purposes and do not intend to reproduce them for media, sale or commercial benefit (for example you are a tourist, hobbyist or student); and your equipment is minimal (for example, nothing more than a camera and stationary tripod)
I could put on my website that anyone entering my property has to remove all clothing above the waist. I have as much chance of enforcing that as Canary Wharf has of enforcing their photography policies. 🤠
The Canary Wharf holding company insist that the whole area is private property. However Ken Livingstone who was mayor at the time of construction has challenged that concept. He says when they purchased the property they had to agree to a number of roads still being public access over which they have no author
Ever heard of public footpaths? They are paths on private land over which any public are allowed to use. Do you think that if a farmer puts up a sign on the public footpath crossing his land that photography is not allowed, it is legally enforceable?
The PCSO had not a clue of the law and was quite ignorant. You would be well to ask her to read up on the laws of filming in public. Keep up the good work as I like your videos and your style 😎👍😎
Being told to leave for doing a legal activity 🤦♂️....the Officer or PCSO needs to be educated or re-trained. The current standard is shocking 🤦♂️🤦♂️
The general public have the legal right to roam anywhere on public land and see, photograph and video anything they are able to view without being caused alarm, harassment and distress. It is the duty of the police to enforce this legal right.
You really are wrong about that, certainly in the UK. There is no "legal right to roam anywhere on public land". For example, try doing that on a military base and see how long it takes before you get arrested. On the other hand, you are correct that videoing from the public highway or other public right of way is perfectly lawful. The issue here is that nowhere in Canary Wharf (except for Westferry Road) is either a public highway or other public right of way.
@@NickLea I know where you are coming from and I know the definition of public land is land that belongs to the public through the goverment. And I know that the MOD is a government body and therefore "belongs to the public" However I was trying to point out that theres a difference between public land where there is an implied right of access (publicly owned government buildings etc) and MOD property which has no implied right of access unless specifically signed. Sorry for the confusion.
That PCSO lied by impersonating a police officer. What trash!!
The general public have the legal right to roam anywhere on public land and see, photograph and video anything they are able to view without being caused alarm, harassment and distress. It is the duty of the police to enforce this legal right.
They weren't pcso's, they were desk staff or station toilet cleaners.
@@whosasking0o Pretty sure it says PCSO on her jumper.
@@JoeyRhubarb I had to watch it back closely, you're correct. On the fleece above all the other police logos. At least toilet cleaners are useful and know their job!
@@MrAndrewFarrow they don't own public roads. He can film whatever he wants from public spot, he never entered the premises.
So if it's private property what is the PCSO doing there ? Is she moonlighting as a security guard ?
Most police work for corps, not the people.
It’s over 25 years since I last visited London - I have no desire to ever go back there.
Thirtyfive years since I was there. I was shocked as to how many languages were being spoken. It's like that countrywide now. Gutless politicians.
Me too
@@Ultradubmarine He is right though.
Me too
@@Ultradubmarine No, what is extreme is that seven out of ten new pupils in schools in London are Muslims.
The Ignorance of those PCSOs is Amazing and Embarrassing.
Shame on them.
Pcso admits she’s not sure but still asks you to leave and Id. If she had any sense she would have checked before opening her mouth.
@@MrAndrewFarrow no more cocaïne for you my friend
Pcso’s are useless and a total waste of time
@@MrAndrewFarrow Public space mate. If they ask him to leave then they need to ask EVERYONE to leave. Read up on the law lil man ;)
"I'm only doing my job" is the modern version of "I was only following orders"
It didn't work at the Nuremberg trials and it won't work in 2023 London
The whole point of these video is to ruffle feathers and upset people but fair play its making him money just feel sorry for the security guards they don't get paid enough to deal with grey area stuff like this.
It worked during Covid.... Everyone put up with "it's just my job" whilst everyone was put under house arrest because of an average flu season.
@@alanmellor6739 he's actually showing how our rights and laws are not followed /respected by the police or any authority. The only feathers that are ruffled are the feathers of incompetence.
It is in fact an offence to prevent or to attempt to prevent a person from going about their lawful business. The PCSO's and security have broken the law.
The PCSO said you are making people feel “uncomfortable.” Crime is on the increase and the police (and plastic police = PCSO) priority is their concern about people feeling ‘uncomfortable.’ Well done for standing up against such ridiculous tyranny.
I agree, to be honest the PCSO's make me feel more uncomfortable than a stranger with a camera.
wait until she reads the hurtful comments about her incompetance.
They don't even want a conversation they just want you to do what they say. Bunch of Agent Smiths.
and surely you noticed the cameras o n t h e i r c h e s t s ...
... yet another case of 'our cameras good, your camera bad' (because we can't control the content)
They have turned into feelings enforcement rather than law enforcement.
The fact that parts of the City can be considered "Private Estate" is actually ridiculous to begin with.
The City of London. Not to be confused with London isn't part of the UK. It's a separate entity. Hence, the Lord mayor and the MET.
@@Pull_a_Bharv Canary Wharf is a couple of miles East of the City of London which is a corporation
@MrAndrewFarrow OK, yeah, it's a nonsense conspiracy theory. You'll clearly the expert.
@@MrAndrewFarrow if publicly accessible it becomes a public place
@@MrAndrewFarrow If The CIty really is part of England, then why does the monarch need permission form the Lord Mayor to go there? 🤔 Agree with what you've been saying about Canary Wharf being private land though. The same rules apply as for any other publically accessible private land - you're free to go there until asked to leave by the landowner or their agent.
What is wrong with these security people?....The Met police are a disgrace utterly clueless and an embarrassment. Also, she is pretending to be a police officer, clearly saying Police Staff on her badge. The last security woman filming you and complaining that you're filming her 😑 you couldn't make it up.
If you, whistle loudly enough the dogs run
@@MrAndrewFarrow not legally but yes they can do that and then obviously they would be breaking the law
Blame there parenting
Not the coppers I met in London fifty or forty years ago ! They knew their city and The Law !
@@chrisfs150 They can absolutely legally trespass you from Canary Wharf in its entirety. Canary Wharf is privately owned, this includes all land. The walkways are not owned by the council.
As an ex police officer ,these so called security guards need to be taught the law by the companies they work for ,because they are talking utter rubbish ,
and what about the PCSO?
Well done standing up for your/our Rights. We need an army of people like you.
There is one
@@MrAndrewFarrow common law civil disobedience.
You can be trespassed for refusing to leave and they can ask you to leave for being a nuisance to security.
You are very much mistaken. Canary Wharf is private property and filming there (even when you're stood in the road) is no different to filming on any other private property. The only parts that are the public highway are Westferry Road and Westferry Circus and also Marsh Wall. The rest is all private property.
@@NickLeaits private property absolutely but most importantly also a public place so they cant prevent filming , luckily uk law is clear on this...
Which is why the police and security didn't remove him nor arrest him...
The dirty london council need to get this public area shite sorted with these entitled banks and other scummy conglomerates that are housed there.
It's not what you know, it's who you know. 🤔🤐
You're the first auditor I've seen who hasn't left when they asked. I'm impressed!
Walking whilst filming is another channel that regularly films there, as I expect he is local to London. He stands his ground, doing his photography. In fact the dude outside the HSBC, was in a recent video he showed.
@@MrAndrewFarrow it's publicly accessible though. They would have to ask every building if he's allowed there
You can't watch many auditing videos.
@@MrAndrewFarrow publicly accessible
Sitting here shaking my head in disbelief at these jobsworth security guards and plastic cops.
If that PCSO woman had been born in Germany in 1920 she could have had her dream job
the police did not attend the plastic police did who are NOT Met police , they were from Essex anyhow not in the Met
Would look lovely in Jackboots!
these muppets need to be warned and fined for wasting tax payers money.
Time for a mass audit of Canary Wharf.
Oh that would be great
I do find it funny how they get so upset. But what about google earth or any maps services .
A mass audit of Canary Wharf happens every year on the occasion of the London Marathon. Thousands are out with cameras filming, taking stills etc. Not a single word from so called Security, Polizi, or Uncle Tom Cobley. Not a single word uttered. Amazing !!!! Like the idea of a mass audit at other times though.
It’s fine for them to have cameras all over their buildings for “security reason ” yet we get question if we use our own cameras😂
You took the words out my mouth 😂
I find two things particularly shocking about this:
1) How can the security and police in this area STILL not understand the laws and what they can enforce. You’d have thought by now they would all know - but they make it up as they go!
2) imagine the pure arrogance that just because it’s the financial district, that means they control everything and everyone. They are no more special than you and I, and have no more rights than anyone.
Canary Wharf clearly needs more auditors to visit to bring them all up to scratch.
The work for the big corporations
Corporate cops doing the bidding of their masters.
Sorry to say but they have their pensions to look forward to and you are helping to pay for them,. How ungrateful they.are! Shirley Campion.
I'm surprised at Canary Wharf the security don't go around removing people's eye balls.
Lol
🤣🤣🤣 top notch comment!
The Peoples Comfort Support Officer needs to be trained in the freedom of public photography. For goodness sake, how many dash cams and even people just walking around with their eyes open, pass through Canary Walk each day? The 'Uncomfortable People' really need to get blinds or privacy glass.
Or move to another country were public photography is not allowed. How about the Hong Kong and Shanghai bank moving back home if they do not like our laws.
Great video DJ... Glad to see you standing your ground when they told you to leave. I'm really enjoying the video because I haven't been to London for years and it's lovely to see canary wharf and other interesting places via video , thank you 👏👏👏👍👍👍💖
You'll like tomorrow's video then... London again !
@@DJEMEDIA brilliant, I can't wait 😀😀😀
@chiltern4 you are the only one mentioning auditor.
@@chiltern4what business is it of yours?
You shouldn't let any security or police interrogate you for carrying out a perfectly legal activity, don't answer any of their questions and carry on with what you're doing.
That makes the video longer😅
Other than M O D Police you are about right. On M O D Land legimately, I have been threatened with deadly force !
WHAT they wanted to bum you.@@philiprufus4427
This place need every auditor in the country to audit this place on mass…who do these people think they are that they can control what people do on the street..they are our streets not the corporations streets
What you do is incredibly important - keep doing it!
It's annoying when the police are playing the uncomfortable card
Which law is this again ???
They make me feel uncomfortable when playing that card (and others)
It's taking the American "model",
You're making me feel uncomfortable/ how would you feel?
You're filming children ( er, maybe - so what?
One auditor had a girl come out and imply the 5 male auditors were being creepy for filming primarily women , from outside the business.I don't believe the business was "women only allowed" so all fair game for the camera.
The last security guard you encountered seemed quite hysterical. I don't think she can safely do her job...
Is there such a lack of fools we have to import them. Or is she just earning a few quid to help pay for her law degree at the university of thickos
Superb handling. Top level citizen journalism here.
If you are on a bus or train you dont go through any barriers or signs saying its a private estate.
Also its possible to walk or cycle in without seeing them too.
It's worrying how many security people are making up the law on the spot. People shouldn't be struggling on a very basic level of dignity and knowledge. Those PCSO's were also struggling with the law and knowing what public areas are, they shouldn't lower themselves.
The trouble is that the whole of Canary Wharf (with the exception of Westferry Road) is private property.
@@NickLea I know, yet there's publicly accessible areas of Canary Wharf which then get covered by public accessibility laws, and too many people struggle to comprehend that.
@@godsgod1677 So what are these "public accessibility" laws (serious question)? And please don't try saying "Section 33" as we all know that is totally irrelevant.
@@NickLea Type "public accessibility laws UK" into the google search bar. Kindly, how old are you?
@@MrAndrewFarrow You don't know how to comprehend the law, which is okay most people don't. That's why we have courts, they will have a level of comprehension more akin to my understanding.
Making people feel uncomfortable is not a crime, yet!
They are working on it
Before Canary Wharf was built the area contained public roads with an historic right of way. I am guessing that those rights of way were incorporated into the site.
They were as part of the planning permission
It is unlawful for a private company or individual to remove a public right of way.
If you have a look on old maps of the area then what is now Canary Wharf was then West India Dock and part of South Dock. These were private docks where goods from/to the Caribbean were imported and exported.
If you compare the modern day map showing the outline of Canary Wharf (eg on Google maps) with historic maps of that area you will see that the only public roads in that area is what is today Westferry Road and Marsh Wall and the few roads to the west of there near to Limehouse Hole Stairs (there used to be a pier there). Before the area was developed there was no roundabout.
Westferry Road used to be called Bridge Road. Marsh Wall did not exist and was built over old railway lines that served a large grain storage depot just to the west of Millwall Inner Dock.
The roads to the west of Westferry Road are now a plaza containing various high rise buildings like the Canary Riverside Plaza Hotel.
So, apart from Bridge Road, which is now Westferry Road and the plaza next to the river and Limehouse Hole Stairs there were not any public roads going through what is now Canary Wharf.
I believe (although may be mistaken) that footpaths shown within Canary Wharf are "permissive" footpaths rather than a public right of way.
@@Renegade1127 Not true. This happens regularly, unfortunately.
Correct Canary Wharf was sold by the Thatcher Government for private development and remains as Private Land with "limited" public access.@@NickLea
The worst thing about these people who hate being filmed is that they are always filming you themselves. Nothing worse than double standards and hypocrisy.
Stand your ground, the toothless tigers have nothing.
The Canary Wharf holding company insist that the whole area is private property. However Ken Livingstone who was mayor at the time of construction has challenged that concept. He says when they purchased the property they had to agree to a number of roads still being public access over which they have no authority.
Foreigner shouting at you telling you you cannot do a law abiding activity, my god we are doomed
Public access though 🤷♂️
@@MrAndrewFarrow privately owned but still a public place so legal for him to be there and to film there...
They try 😂
@steveclack1131 in their own country they know the rules here they are not taught the rules so they think its the same
This is Londonstan . We are the foreigners in our own land .
The Metropolitan Police issued guidance to every Police force in the UK, stating it’s not illegal to film from public areas, the guidelines where issued owing to the massive amount of £££££ in compensation paid to Auditors and Photographers
Yep, guidelines mate, that the stasi disregard with impunity with no consequences.
All they are worried about is the image and bad publicity associated with their disregard - the compensation itself is effectively paid by us, the taxpayer. They couldn't give a 💩
From permit to uncomfortable. Reeealy stretching there isn't she!?
This needs to be taken up by someone all the way to the Supreme Court if required. There is nothing in the paperwork of canary wharf, other than their illegal permit system, that says you cannot film in public on streets or areas otherwise open to the public.
These people have been around for decades ! The World War 11 Generation when they were in power had to slap them down !
Canary Wharf in its entirety, is privately owned, hence all the land including walkways are privately owned, that allows public access. They can withdraw that access at anytime they want.
@MadDog_Rules they can't, though, as this is a condition of the planning and building. They must allow public access, even if it is privately owned land.
@@MadDog_Rulesto add more info, have a read of the London Plan and regulations around POPS, planners and property owners must stick to the stipulated regulations, even if they own the land, they agree to conditions.
@@geoffcarlton4047 Do you have a link to that, i couldn't find it. Have a feeling you're misunderstanding the context of it. Allowing public access, does not mean they can not remove you from this space and have their own policies in place. To drive into Canary Wharf, you have to pass through barriers, they can refuse entry if they want to. And obviously they are going to allow public access, people live there and work there 😅
I feel uncomfortable that gangs of Romanians are ripping off unsuspecting tourists in central London.
You want the public to be able to access the land but want to restrict what you can do in public. How bout no.
I work in this street. I've been dying to see this security be tested by a auditor 😂😂😂😂
That is all it needs. Security guards need to be educated.
@@MrAndrewFarrowthey need educating that as a public place you CANT just remove people
Much like you yourself need educating on uk laws
@@chrisfs150 Can I ask what makes you an "expert"
@@chrisfs150 It isn't publicly owned, therefore it is not a public space, Canary Wharf is a private estate that is accessible to the public. As a privately owned estate, they can make any laws/rules they deem fit. If they don't want you filming there, they can trespass you. I think you're confusing a private building being filmed from a public walkway, that is owned by the Council, the walkway is not public, it's private, hence Canary Wharf being a private estate.
@@chrisfs150 Privately owned land can allow access to the public, they can also revoke that at any time they want. The walkway is not owned by the Council. So whilst the company who owns Canary Wharf, allows public access, the entirety of Canary Wharf, is privately owned and they can trespass anyone they want. You're confusing a privately owned building and a public walkway owned by the Council.
Why are the police patrolling a private estate, you would think any trespass would be a civil matter?
Not entirely private land as it is criss crossed by public footpaths that follow the lines of the new roads as part of the original planning permission as ex London mayor Ken Livingston pointed out when they tried to stop him filming there.
...And now criss crossed by land that is absolutely open to the public.
@tonyb1223 you are not correct in your assumptions and need to view youtube's terms and conditions to correct yourself.
What is happening with most youtube content is actually considered art and intellectual property by the uploader that is then given publicity advertising by youtube or not that will earn youtube the money from the advertisers and youtube gives a "cut" to the owner.
look at uk laws another way. A farmer owns a field that has a path on it that has been a right of way for decades. he owns the path, but may never block the path and if it's covered in seasonal growth he has to provide a work-around.
Walkers on the path can stop, eat, take pictures, and all that one can do on a publicly owned path. The farmer can NOT stop those actions because it is not within his policies on his farm. The only caviet is if your actions scares his animals, but not his workers.
They have no right to stop your freedom to film irrespective of what he then does with his film after the fact. He has no guarantee that he will be paid which is why its differnt from commercially made film.
i hope this clears your confusions.
@@tonyb1223 check their planning permission, they have to respect all the public rights of way that were on the original property before Canary Wharf were allowed to build.
I believe you may be thinking about the Westfield shopping centre in Stratford. There is certainly video of Ken Livingstone speaking with the police there when they try to stop him filming (search "Ken Livingstone (Ex-mayor of London) Takes on Police over Filming"). Are you certain he also did the same in Canary Wharf?
I believe (although may be mistaken) that the footpaths in Canary Wharf are "permissive" rather than public rights of way.
@NickLea I think you are correct with both your assumptions (on the location of Ken, and the original legal positioning of the paths)
However, Ken makes valid points.
It's also true that paths might indeed be private and new paths installed, but never without public consultation and never to the detriment of the paths in question.
Also it's the "right of way" that is the cause for confusion for most, I feel. A right of way is just that irrespective of who owns the path. Just ask any farmer that has come across the Rambling Association.
These owners want to stop the freedoms that a right of way might involve, and that includes filming.
Did she say she was Police? a PCSO isnt Police
"Police lite" limited powers , but they don't want you to know that.😅
She wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed, eh?
Essex Guuuuurl.
Not only is she not the sharpest knife in the drawer, she bears a strong resemblance to a spoon.
Look, I am flabbergasted. I live very rural in outback Australia. To see this hustle and bustle, glass and concrete, everybody trying to hurt/worry everyone else. IT IS JUST ABSURD. How on Earth do you all live like that ? That last woman(?) sounded to me like she(?) was a guard at a Gulag........ How the other half live eh.
There is private property that is publicly accessible. In this instance, it is Private property INTENDED for public use. Essentially you're on a public street. Like a shopping mall. The pathways are intended for public use to access publicly accessible private businesses. Freely accessible public right of way will be in the Ts&Cs of renter's & leaseholder's contracts.
" Essentially you're on a public street. Like a shopping mall." A shopping mall is NOT a public street. It is private property to which the public are invited to enter if they have legitimate business there. Canary Wharf is no different.
"There is private property that is publicly accessible"
Indeed. Have people never heard of a public footpath, for example? Private land over which the public have right of way.
And the police stand their listening to private security who they seem to be taking orders from....its pathetic
you are definitely getting better at this, well done
That woman MAGDALENA security guard at the end of the film, I must admit that she is a great embarrassment to the Polish community in England, it's sad,
She filmed him but he can’t film her, mmmmm.
Foreigners coming into our country, trying to tell us what to do. Just remember you’re a fooking guest
And an unwanted guest at that!
A Brit complaining about foreigners lol
So many photographers regularly shooting this kind of stuff around London. It really is disgraceful that the commissioner of the MET Police hasn't educated his staff on the law. It makes the police come across as absolute clowns. Rediculous and shameful. No wonder the police are loosing public trust.
It's also extremely shocking that so many police support staff turned up to speak to one photographer. Very clearly the intent was to intimidate a citizen who is going abroad his lawful business. Senior management need to understand that they are employees of the public and quit their intimidatory activities.
Because it’s obvious, one person walking around filming things poses far more danger than 1000s of people walking down the streets shouting genocidal slogans and waving the flag of a foreign country. Just part of living in batshit bonkers Britain.
“I’m just doing my job” says totally thick and ineffective plastic copper. Not doing it very well the watching audience thinks. At least one of them kept quiet. Best to not speak and for everyone to think you are stupid than speak for everyone to know you are.
What do they do with cars that have dash cams. Do they stop all the cars and tell the to turn there dash cams off. Totally ridiculous. Keep on the good work.
Why build high security glass buildings if worried about people looking in
My own private estate covers 97 acres and I would be very grateful if you taxpayers would now fund an extensive road and rail network to help me get around it; as well as paying for police to ensure my privacy and protection. Thank you in advance for your generosity.
As a viewer I am wheelchair bound and I never get to see these Places, I thankyou for doing what you do.
It's funny how you are not allowed to film HSBC whilst HSBC are allowed to continue to launder billions of pounds as the authorities turn a blind eye
That dozy karen cop thinks that, because she speaks politely, she can FORCE people to what she wants. It's about time allthe "uncomfortable" people were charged for wasting police time. My shoes are uncomfortable (cos they're a size too small), but I wouldn't DREAM of phoning the police and asking them to have a word with the shopkeeper who sold them to me!!
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Magdalena is the gift that keeps on giving! Go say hello to her if you are ever in the area she will love it! lol
Heres an idea ,why not invite a refugee from one of our hotels ,for a day out ,showing them around our fantastic architectural buildings. You would be welcomed to film any buildings of interest . Im sure you would be allowed to film what you like. 😊
Or carry a Palestinian flag, that would work too
or a back pack with a bit of string hanging out.@@philipnapier3585
Councils need to retain control of public spaces.
The change from public land to ‘publicly accessible’ actually means the loss of those spaces.
1,795 cameras and 500 security guards, seems very excessive for 97 acres, which converts to just 73 Football Pitches. Gosh.
1,795 cameras? No wonder I feel a bit paranoid when I’m walking in the city.
@@mediterraneandiet2483 10% of all the cctv cameras in the WORLD are in the UK and half of those are in London
These idiots are far too used to having people do exactly what they say.. get them told!!!!
Best line I have seen an auditor use on a copper was by Focus Pocus .........
"Is this the only right that I have that you want to take away or are there any others"
They just had no answer 😂
Brilliant focus was whats he doing now?
@@andrewstratford4753 I don't know but he is sadly missed. He could give a master class in auditing to everyone else in the field.
Focus Pocus is the best auditor I have EVER seen.
Focus Pocus is the only auditor who’s videos I rewatch. A master.
Still amazes me that companies put these 20 ft high windows all around the lobby/reception area and decorate them so beautifully but then the employees tell us that we can’t photograph them. If they can be seen from a public space then they can be filmed from a public space.
It’s really quite simple !
Same with many banks etc in the high street some with their computers on show, We installed glass "walls" but don't look in, Oh and if you look inside and see private information its your fault not ours. Crazy
Is it a private estate?? Not sure if someone mentioned it 😂 This is what happens when you employ people who's IQ starts with a decimal place. She definitely didn't have the IQ to understand the law.
Yes it is a private estate! They can make whatever rules they like. a bit like Disney Land!!! ... and if they don't like what you are doing ... they can ask you to leave ... like Disney Land.
They hate it when you know your rights and you make them sit like a dog.
WALKING FILMING,,,,Did exact same buildings yesterday,same security guard..the not allowed one ..but he was put in his place and told it was ok to film...SO a day later still NOT ALLOWED...
Hahahahha
Why do they put these buildings in the middle of London if they are sensitive, build them on a remote Island in Scotland .
PCSOs are poorly trained and have no understanding of law.
She's pretend police, all they are allowed to carry is tiewraps and a radio. They are one step up from a night watchman and have no real authority, the police dogs have more training and authority than them.
I laugh at them, they think they are real police when they haven't had the training or know the laws, they are really a running joke.
I love how most of the security know nothing about the law and make themselves look so dumb on youtube.
You want to link these vids to their bosses and see how many of them still have a job in the morning.
38:52 this private estate nonsense is ridiculous
Ask for their designation cards, then ask them why they're accosting an innocent citzen doing a legal activity.
“Takes FOUR PCSOs to apprehend a guy filming with a video camera” 😂😂😂
She's not a pcso, she's more important than that. She makes the tea for the person that makes the coffee.
😂
😂🤣🤣
She doesn’t know the law but keeps saying “they are not happy with you being here” and thinks that’s enough to move you on in case you hurt their feelings.
Right!.. They may forget to pay her wages at the end of the month! 😮
It's common with police not to investigate anything properly, they just demand/or request you move on. It's the new lazy policing model, to make lazy coppers duties even easier.
Every piece of land in this country is "privately-owned " and registered with land registry so on that basis we shouldn't be allowed to film anywhere😂😂😂
Every bit of land, with few exceptions, is owned by the Crown.
A PCSO doing her job😂 don't make me laugh. A dinner lady has more power...
I was more scared of my Lollipop Lady at Primary School! 😂😂😂
30:42 So she lied when she didn't deny being a police officer at the start of the "conversation". She didn't correct you and say that she was only a PCSO.
I want auditors to use the line. "Their policies do not supersede the law!"
Their policies don't effect anyone that's not an employee
Ultimately "pragmatism emerged as the victor here"!! You were absolutely right in emphasing what is "publicably accessible"!!
They hate it when someone has more knowledge than them. Very entertaining and they are actually beautiful buildings...thanks for showing us canary wharf
These security people are like programmed robots with only limited responses.
and limited understanding of English
As someone who is disabled and can't visit places like that (even as I live in the uk). I appreciate videos such as this. The only way I get to see Canary Wharf is on the Apprentice tv show 😂
Also, I looked up photography laws there...
Quote directly from Canary Wharf spokesman..
“We don’t prevent members of the public taking photos. It’s only for commercial photography that we require a permit. The security guards have to make that call - one of the issues that may cause confusion these days is that the public have increasingly sophisticated equipment which could cause security to question them.
“We do ask commercial photographers for a permit because their projects can be intrusive and disruptive.”
So umm, yea. Good luck with trying to stop people doing perfectly legal activities.
And as for the PCSO, lying that she's a Police officer is illegal. If it wasn't for her being so nice, I'd report her. But yea, a nice personality with some understanding, goes a long way.
That last woman seems to have been educated at the right time. That could have gone very badly for her.
Thanks for the video
Yeah I used to live there and I had to walk though that street nearly everyday, security everywhere, cameras everywhere looking at everyone closely, spying on everyone's face... Very scary place for children to walk and adults too... Everyone on high alert day after day and year after year...
As if by zooming into the actual security’s cameras on a building you see anything else but a camera. Utter madness being told not to film in public
Online it says the whole area is private property owned by Canary Wharf Inc and permits are required if you posting on SM or for profit. 😮 that’s a big private area lol 😂
From the web page:
You do not necessarily require a permit if:
You are taking the images for solely amateur purposes and do not intend to reproduce them for media, sale or commercial benefit (for example you are a tourist, hobbyist or student); and
your equipment is minimal (for example, nothing more than a camera and stationary tripod)
I could put on my website that anyone entering my property has to remove all clothing above the waist. I have as much chance of enforcing that as Canary Wharf has of enforcing their photography policies. 🤠
The Canary Wharf holding company insist that the whole area is private property. However Ken Livingstone who was mayor at the time of construction has challenged that concept. He says when they purchased the property they had to agree to a number of roads still being public access over which they have no author
Ever heard of public footpaths? They are paths on private land over which any public are allowed to use. Do you think that if a farmer puts up a sign on the public footpath crossing his land that photography is not allowed, it is legally enforceable?
Rubbish
Its amzing how people can NOT interprit the wording of the law (publicly accessible roads and footpaths) the main word here is accessible
They’ve all learnt a new word bless them :obviously: 🤣🤣🤣especially the dinner lady in a fancy dress uniform 🤣😂🤣
The PCSO had not a clue of the law and was quite ignorant. You would be well to ask her to read up on the laws of filming in public. Keep up the good work as I like your videos and your style 😎👍😎
Jesus Christ we now have feeling police in the streets of the uk
Yes Isint It A Total EMBARRESMENT
American bankers and min. wage security guards and corporate cops.
-London 2024
If its private what are the police doing there? Are they now in the pay of HSBC and co?
Perfect observation….
Being told to leave for doing a legal activity 🤦♂️....the Officer or PCSO needs to be educated or re-trained. The current standard is shocking 🤦♂️🤦♂️
The general public have the legal right to roam anywhere on public land and see, photograph and video anything they are able to view without being caused alarm, harassment and distress. It is the duty of the police to enforce this legal right.
@user-qr5xd3up6s its legally a public place as well as being privately owned. Uk law is very clear on this...
You really are wrong about that, certainly in the UK. There is no "legal right to roam anywhere on public land". For example, try doing that on a military base and see how long it takes before you get arrested.
On the other hand, you are correct that videoing from the public highway or other public right of way is perfectly lawful. The issue here is that nowhere in Canary Wharf (except for Westferry Road) is either a public highway or other public right of way.
@@NickLea Military bases in the UK are owned by the MOD so they are not public land anyway.
@@dave4728 OK, so what is your "definition" of public land? And how does your definition include the private property of Canary Wharf?
@@NickLea I know where you are coming from and I know the definition of public land is land that belongs to the public through the goverment. And I know that the MOD is a government body and therefore "belongs to the public" However I was trying to point out that theres a difference between public land where there is an implied right of access (publicly owned government buildings etc) and MOD property which has no implied right of access unless specifically signed. Sorry for the confusion.
Great video dje you stood up to them I can't see why filming canary wharf is not allowed
It's amazing how many permits and licenses you need to do things in a "free" society.
It's amazing how many people can't spell "licence."
The spelling was correct, it was the American spelling that was used.right spelling- just wrong continent, maybe the poster was from the U.S?
DJE Media what is the video camera are you using. That zoom is incredible and the video quality is really nice.
They just don’t know the bloody law still! Publicly accessible areas cannot restrict your right to film.
PCSO’s on repeat, what a waste of the public’s money.
She just repeats herself over & over.