Matt I am in love with this and I was very disappointed when I found out that the Murphy can only be used with the slide out. So I took some initiative and called Greg a technician at the factory and he said that he would check to see if the tv from the Midas would be available to swap out the desk and hopefully the Murphy will work. He’s supposed to be getting back with me Monday
Love this setup for a B+ size RV. The only critique I have is the upper cabinets located behind the Murphy bed. I couldn’t really store anything in them that I need regularly since it would require me to drop the bed to gain access. Also, the bottom of the Murphy bed looks like a great big white board to me. It would be really cool and totally useful if it is, but if it isn’t, then it is stark to look at. I am short, so access to the monitors and the over counter convection microwave would require a step ladder which is a given in my life anyway. Love that they included washer/dryer so you can full time more easily. I’ve wanted to full time, but I am single-no kids, so I don’t want or need a huge RV with multiple sleeping berths and don’t want to drive a bus. But everyone needs to wash clothes! Laundromats are problematic for me because it takes a long time to accumulate enough laundry for them to be cost and time effective. Love the amount of counter space in kitchen. There is room to actually cook. Beautiful coach. Nice to see something on the market finally that would fit my needs.
Beautiful motorhome. Awesome design Tiffin!! Love everything about this especially the washer/dryer and beautiful kitchen. The hideaway TV is a nice feature. Only negative is the location of the control and monitoring panel. No way I could reach it without a step stool. Also, LOVE that Tiffin updated the OCCC. That was the determining factor why we initially didn’t buy the Wayfayer back in 2019.
I just ask this afternoon another dealership and the cargo capacity is 740 lbs. i have the photo of the yellow sticker with same configuration as the review ( propane with washer dryer). The only issue i found is my Vin indicates a 2021 model when the title was indicating NEW 2023. But i didn’t know the JW model was existing in 2021…..??? My dealership said the JW was 740 lbs the RW was 840 lbs and the LW was a bit over 1000 lbs
Move the controls to above the door and within reach. (We own a 25rw … we love it). We removed the over cab cushions and use that space for storage. It’s perfect for our current 2- on the excursion !
Matt & Will, we agree with you on 2 things we do not like but our number 3 thing we do not like is that loud generator, and the mattress needs to be thicker. Stay safe with this weather J.& G
Ok so this is the first time I’m impressed with a class B motor home. I normally make fun of these but this thing had storage a good shower had decent room and storage. Color me impressed
This would be my ideal motorhome to tour America. Love the desk, tv, kitchen, washer/dryer absolutely adore. 2 things I have an issue with, above the couch the bottom of the bed it's boring needs a mirror or something to break up the wall /couch colour scheme. Above the cab, if you could have a locked down strorage area for above the cab, if no bed is needed. But this is the one I would buy, somewhere to work and then relax. Goorrrgggeeeooouuusss!!! ❤️
OMG - love that unit. Like all the storage, the combo washer/dryer, the roomy kitchen, the entrance door and sliding screen and the bathroom & shower. I would want the bunk over for the grandkids. No dislikes except the price.
This is a really nice rig! Love the big kitchen and large bath and shower. Could definitely see myself cruising around the country in this. You guys do great reviews; love your honesty and funny style. Keep up the great work!
I can't believe I'm saying this... I would consider purchasing this RV for fulltime RV-ing! IT's FANTASTIC! Thank you for this video Matt and Wil... and Colin too!!!
Great presentation! A vast improvement of my 2017 Wayfarer QW. We had the 65th model in production. The standard features in JW were not even available in the first model year. Such as: Bigfoot hydraulic stabilizers; Solar Panels; 2,000 watt inverter; the revise MB cockpit area and outside cameras. All these items had to be purchased after market. This is a tremendous first with the combo w/d option. Hope they received a lot of orders for this unit. Say hi to Trent Tiffin. Best, Steve & Deb from Western Mass.
Love the 2nd sleeping space, the bathroom, and the washer and dryer. I would love it if they got rid of the cabinet above the TV and move the TV up. Then make the desk a flip up. So can use Murphy without the slide being out if needed.
I love this one so much that I came back to rewatch the video. I think I figured out the deal with the controls, but they're still a pain. In the video @18:28 it looks like there's a hinge at the bottom of that panel, and gaps all the way around, as if it's meant to fold down, maybe to access wiring or something? If so, it's possible that the shelf is there to support the panel when it's down so that it doesn't flop around or break off? I could also be totally wrong. I'd love to hear from Tiffin on this one.
The three things I love are: 1)washer/dryer 2) bigger kitchen 3) shower Three things I dont like; 1) front bunk too small/no windows 2) small slideout (make it a full slide so coach is roomier) 3) not a fan of murphy bed (area)
Love the new 23 tiffin wayfarer twin bed model it’s great. The three nice big drawers in the kitchen are very usable and one of my big must haves is a satellite connection which tiffin does the best of.
I love this RV. I love the bathroom and roomy shower. The automatic bed is a great feature. There is also great counter space in the galley. Improvement ideas would be put the controls in a more reasonable location for people who aren't 6'+, a couple shelves in the second closet for linens, ditch the cutting board and make it a place for knives. Velcro or secure the couch cushions and add a picture above the couch. I am happy to see the generator.
I really liked the entry door, the tankless hot water, and the desk/TV. One dislike is there is no window in the overhead bunk area, but I'm glad it has the bunk over the cab. Second dislike is the controls are two high and hard to reach. I love the combo washer/dryer!
I need a dinette or something to use as a desk. Toss in a couple folding chairs or stools, and that desk can be a dining area. Every part of this coach is perfect. Love it!
I am 5’1” and I would need a ladder to reach that control/monitoring panel lol, so that is a no go for me. Also noticed there wasn’t a clothing rod in that cabinet underneath the control panels. Kind of weird. Also think Airstream Atlas does the Murthy bed sofa combo better but did like the TV setup with a pullout desk. All in all a great floor plan with some needed tweaks.
OK Matt... As wonderful as the inside is.... Did you and Will even notice all of that storage on the outside of a B+!?!? Did you guys even notice that awesome outside wet area with the enclosed dump area... Overall I'd say this thing is really set up well... To be that small and pack all of that in to a small box is impressive!!! And that shower .... why has everyone else not started doing this???
Pretty amazing OCCC with a W/D combo on board. It was hard to tell for sure but it doesn't look like you could service or remove it with dismantling the casework though.
The occc is wrong. It is 740 lbs with this configuration and the external tv. I have the proof. I have the picture of the yellow sticker for Wayfarer 2023 JW 25. It is 740 lbs. it would be fantastic to be 1150 lbs but it is wrong. Probably this is a prototype that was weighted before the options like the washer dryer (148 les) and generator (203 lbs) and the cell and wifi booster or the vaccum. I have the full list of option included in the 740 lbs cargo if you want.
If you're looking at this size rig, I'd recommend a Travato for sure. It's about the same size, but the Travato doesn't really look like an RV for sure so you can park stealth much easier. We park at golf courses, medical centers or similar places all the time. They have a G and K versions, both with options for lithium or Genny. We chose the lithium and love it. We travel part time for now, but don't stay in one place very long. It charges while driving or you can do an auto start while parked, but we haven't had to plug in for shore power even once during our past several trips and 15k miles. The K version has 2 twin beds on each side, and they convert to virtually a King. Not many RVs can claim this, but esp class Bs. This for us, sets this model apart from every other class B. The wet bath is small for sure, but it's in the very back and you can set it up for showers outside with a privacy curtain. It just has a sleek look as well, not so "boxy" looking and we get comments and stares everywhere. Yes it's pricey, esp the L model, but you get what you pay for. Safe travels
Hate to hear that for your experience. Ours has been fine so far and we're not necessarily easy on it. Our power seems fine for the weight and size. Some don't like Promasters for sure, but you'll see a lot of opinions. Amazon puts millions of miles on Promasters every day and they seem to like their performance. To each his own@@flatearthdays
I appreciate you include the cargo carry capacity in your videos, it’s usually very difficult to find. Also, I love the dinettes and wouldn’t buy an RV without one!
I wish there was a fully electric lithium/solar version without propane and a wider /longer bed AND a larger TV. The washer/dryer is ABSOLUTELY great and puts that motorhome on out list of the top 2 for us.Central Vac :-) I am in love
There is already one lithium and one 190w Go power solar panels. The top roof cannot handle more than two to my opinion. I would upgrade to a lithionics 320a (68 lbs) and 3000w xantrex (16.5 lbs onstead of 14.7 lbs for the xantrex 2000). But electric battery cannot provide the energy for heating. A simple heater use 1500w. Propane is the way to go for the cooktop and heater. They also propose a Elwell hydronic heating system which use diesel and delete the propane tank. The gas cooktop is replaced with induction cooktops. The Elwell use 0.6 L /hour of Diesel. The coach is limited by the 11030 lbs of the 3500xd chassis. And the cargo for the 2023 jw 25 is 740 lbs and not 1150 lbs as the review specify. I have the yellow sticker picture of a wayfarer identical (propane + washer dryer) it is only 740 lbs. i think for this coach we must remove the generator (203 lbs) which is also very expensive and of course the single lithium battery and replace it with the 4096wh 320a at 12.8V lithionics that have the second alternator port. Adding s second alternator 5500w would replace the generator.
❤️it but make it better 1: Add lighted exhaust hood over stove venting outside 2: 1 lp & induction cook top 3: Move control panels 4: Rather have side by side or stackable washer dryer 5: European double pane acrylic windows with built in blinds 6: Metal a/c ductwork 7: Rear Ladder
Thank you for the videos! Leg supports on the murphy bed need to be more like the Winnebago View/Navion 24D (actually the whole murphy bed setup is better - don't need to remove the cushions, slats under mattress, leg support storage/setup, and still have storage underneath). I still love Tiffin, but Winnebago has a better design on the murphy bed.
I would remove the generator (203 lbs) the occc is really 740 lbs and not 1150 lbs as mentioned in the review. I have the picture of a yellow sticker for the wayfarer 2023 JW 25. The alternator is good 216 amp. I would add a second alternator 5500 w. No need for generator and add instead a lithionics 320a 4096wh which has the alternator port.
Love the washer/dryer, the shower and the tankless hot water! The desk/TV station is also really cool! I like having an overhead bunk and I really like how the did the struts for lifting part of the overhead bunk out of the way. The aircraft door and screen is also a great feature. Tiffin did a great job! The only thing I don't like is there is no dinette.
Isn’t a B+ supposed to have cabinets over the cab versus a bunk? Also it would have been better televator(?) versus the current position of the TV. Do they have this model with theater seating? Cargo capacity is great.
Man this is a wonderful little unit for sure. I love the colors, love the bathroom very tastefully done, love the sofa, kitchen and really love the desk and tv layout(all though I would have to paint something around the TV , the raw wood just doesnt look good). But this unit has everything I would want in a RV tankless hotwater heater to the solar and even the bed space for taking the grandkids with me.... everything in one nice neat package. Only 2 things I wish I could change is the controls to be more reachable and of course a much better price. lol other than that it couldn't be more perfect. oh maybe a fireplace but where would you put it?
This rig is fire, it's so pleasant to look at. The desk, washer/dryer, kitchen, and bathroom are soooo gooood! I don't like the controls placement, the useless bunk bed, slide, and power murphy bed but those are minor issues for the rest of the conveniences. The make and model name should be in the video title.
I'd suggest buying used then. People have been waiting for the "bubble to pop" and "prices to come down to reality" even way before the pandemic. Remember nobody pays MSRP so your real price will usually be 15-30% less or even bigger depending on situation.
Great video.... amazing shower will look small in it. Washer , dryer, .. what I would add. Bunk over cab, at least 475 pounds. The TV looked sloppie and unfinished. A simple wood frame around the TV could work. With RV, camp sites been ripped off. Why not have small SECURTY domes up high in the outside corners. Also, the back of the RV looked great, but if there were rubber. Small bumpers in the back cornors. They could protect, the body. That is one cool, RV, I owned a 45 foot prevost in 93. Never again Parking it sucked. Driving g in LA sucked. Punks banging on the sides at wallmarts. And parking it cost as much as getting, a high end hotel suite. Great RV, tiff, did a great job. Fix the TV, raw wood showing. And hide the wires some how .
I saw this unit at the Tampa show. The best shower out of all the class C competition. Washer dryer combo is a big plus too. The oven is too high, it needs to be under the stove top. There needs to be a window over the cab and I would rather have a televator than a fold away tv/ desk. This unit is super nice it just needs a few tweaks.
Can't believe I missed this one and may come close to my reconsidering the single sofa/murphybed either/or arrangement, but probably still prefer the dedicated two living area of the RW so couples don't have to turn in at the same time...or one doesn't have a place to sit if one turns in early (or sleeps in). Was impressed with the OCCC of 1150 knowing it had some heavyweight items - leveling, porcelain toilet, diesel generator standard that are options on others if even available. Was absolutely floored with the washer dryer, not that Tiffin is the only one that offers it but it was included in the OCCC! As a side note, kudos to Bob Tiffin. On another forum an individual relayed his discussion with Bob at Hershey who indicated low OCCC was a major corporate concern and he was instituting a focus group to address everything in the build. That is why you see a major improvement between 20/21 model years and the removal of heavy items like solid wood paneling and panels (carryover from Tiffin's Class A heritage as they designed the Wayfarer). Dropping that front window that you like probably saves 150lbs as reflected in competition's lower OCCC with it. Yes, I would like the front loft window, but 150lb savings is nice and can forego the window.. Back on subject, so much I like too much to list, but just a couple little minor things. An easy DIY, but the TV...paint the underside either flat black or match cabinet color rather than the bare, unfinished plywood. It is so distracting. Then the instruments - irrespective of where they are, move them forward to the front as you are not going to be placing items in front of the controls that would have to move to access the controls. Controls being so high is also an issue. The most obvious fix - but not DIY due to cabling - would be to flop the floors, placing the control unit where the storage floor is with the storage raised above.
1150lbs is an error. The real occc is 740lbs. I have the picture of a yellow sticker on another dealerships. The cargo of the 25 JW with this configuration (propane and washer dryer) and just an additional external tv is 740lbs. I have the proof. I don’t know where they get the 1150 lbs on this review. It is 740 lbs. I have the list of options that are included for this yellow sticker occc values if you want. I think it is with all options, booster cell and wifi, 12v compressor fridge, side cameras, lithium battery, washer dryer, wheels aluminium, vaccum, and more. I have the full list on my computer. The cargo of 740lbs is for occuants, cargo and water. The fuel and LP propane are already full with Tiffin calculation. Personally i would remove the generator and install Lithionics 320ah (68 lbs) and additional 190w panel.(30 lbs) Of course i would remove the original single lithium battery (26 lbs) and the external tv.(14.1 lbs). But the generator (203 lbs) is a go. The sound is horrible and they are forbidden in campground most of the time. I would use the alternator or install a second alternator 5500w kit. The alternator is 216amp standard which is good.
In the storage closet next to the washer/dryer need to put a clothes rod to hang clothes. I like the valances. Like the triangle of power, the bathroom, the TV cabinet/desk. Don't like the overhead bunk "ramp". Need a shelf in the under cabinets of the work station. Question: can you walk around the bottom of the bed when it is down? As a whole it is a very nice unit.
I like the desk space, but the underside of the desktop looked unfinished. Would take a smaller kitchen for a king bed, too. Otherwise really liked it, especially the sizable bathroom and shower.
Great Layout!! Love the galley kitchen, counter space and built-in desk/tv and forget about that bathroom - absolutely love the step in/down shower!! A true contender to LTV options...would love to see a modernization of styling...maybe someday, American designers/builders will learn how to make rounded and smooth edges, moving away from panel doors???
This is THE ONE!!!👏👏👏 I would definitely put some kind of ART DECO on the bottom of the Murphy Bed! I would have to ask Andrea what that is though. Lol❤️
Styling looks pretty dated but it’s amazing they put a washer dryer in such a short rv. I kinda like the desk but I think it needs a little work. The bathroom sink is funny looks like a ramen bowl 🤣. Looking forward to what tiffin comes up in the future seems like they’re trying to listen to what people want now.
Beautiful MH. Can u really keep a tv flat? Never heard of that but I suppose it’s special? Some design or pic on the Murphy bed. Would be nice. Love the kitchen and bath
Washer/dryer combo, no step up at shower, and 12volt compressor fridge gets thumbs up. Bed near entry door, no dinnette, and poorly placed control panel gets the thumbs down.
For me and my husband would be a perfect RV but I would like to upgrade the kitchen I would like to have an oven and 3 burners instead of 2 it has a plenty space on the counter top, pattern of the balance isn’t my favorite and the control panel is to hard to reach out liked a lot with some improvements we aren’t looking nothing bigger than this it’s perfect for 2 people and drive around the world awesome 👍🏻👋🏻🙏😷
The ford transit didn’t have the GVWR to afford it. The sprinter has 11030 lbs max and the cargo left occc on this is 740 lbs ( proof with yellow sticker). A transit currently cannot. But i heard the new transit 2023 increase the GVWR to 11000 so in theory it could if Tiffin would want it. The sprinter 2023 change the engine to a 2.0 L 4 cyl bi turbo diesel next year and the 3.0 l diesel is discontinued. So in the future, why not. The transit will have sync 4 big screen and better maintenance service and less cost. It could be good for Tiffin to switch.
Make the shelf in the ‘controls’ cabinet adjustable then the controls would be acceptable by most, change round sink to rectangle, not enough cargo capacity. Washer / Dryer combo space, office / desk space, and Murphy bed are great.
This is a fine unit RV I love it just right for me the only question I would have is the mattress is I like to have a full size mattress not the foam 4 inches everything else I can live with and is good for off-roads forgot to ask if it's a 4x4
They could so easily have put all of the control and monitoring guages over the entry door. I am tall, put still could not easily read those guages. Wish there was a ladder (but I get the shortage..weird) Love the storage, laundry and bath. They really covered it all. And if you were using this as an office the murphy bed backing makes a great erasable whiteboard. Great capacity load. Definitely could do this fulltime or seasonal fulltime. Well done Tiffin. Desk and TV is a winner...great for on the road work. If you wanted to make this a work station, get one of those foldable footstool with a detachable cushion. Could also be used from the sofa and stored in the over-the-cab. Tiffin you can do better on the load capacity of the over-the-cab bed...come on folks....no way two people could sleep up there and a window would be a great idea too. Still would consider this a first choice at this price point.
Wow what a great coach. Lots to like for sure. Never saw a W/D in one. The shower is huge. Decent CCC too. Lots of nice space and glad it’s missing the dinette too. Love it. ✌🏼
The occc is wrong. It is 740 lbs. i have the photo of the yellow sticker for a wayfarer 2023 JW 25. It is 740 lbs with this configuration propane and all the options including the washer dryer. It would be fantastic if it was 1150 lbs but it is NOT.
I wish it could sleep 4. The driver and passenger seats swiveling would be great. Definitely could use a windshield over the bunk. Otherwise, an awesome Class B!
Great unit,, awesome layout. One recommendation, make the Murphy bed bigger and manual. Take a look at Renagade or leasure coaches bed set up. Also great washer/dryer and love the kitchen set up. 9 out of 10. Work the bed issue and you have a 10.
In my view, this is the best floor plan for a Class B+. Well done Tiffin. However, I can't understand anyone at Tiffin saw that it was a good idea to place all the control panels way back up there . It needs fixing and bring forward for ease of use.
Love it! Wish you showed the storage under the couch and chairs under there used for desk or dining. Wish you showed the 2 lagun tables attached at sofa for size perspective. I am only 5'2" and could mot reach those controls..step stool would be a hassle. Lithium batteries and solar would be great with 2nd alternator so they could get rid of generator and propane! Wish the outdoor storage bays were larger..make 1 bay instead of 2!
Great B+ but worry about CCC, which I don't believe was mentioned. Everything is beautiful but I have one nitpicky thing that I have about a lot of motorhomes. I don't want to look at the toilet in the door of the bathroom which you see from everywhere in the unit. I prefer the toilet out of sight. But that's just me.
They said 1150 lbs but it is wrong. It is 740 lbs. i have a photo of a yellow sticker for the same model 2023 jw 25. It includes all options and propane configuration with full diesel tank and full LP tank. 740 left for occupants and cargo and water. Matt’s have probably a prototype weighted differently…
Great tour the back bathroom really works in this layout. The Murphy bed looked easy to use. Seemed the fit and finishes could have been a bit better. Especially for a Tiffin. Thanks for sharing 👍
I wish that tv was on a televator. Would be a much cleaner look and only lose a little bit of storage underneath it but there is honestly plenty of storage in this rig. Add a televator…would make a huge difference. Can the bed come down with the slide closed?
Love this! 3 dislikes - A swivel or angle option TV/desk so you can see it from the swivel seats with more electrical, Lagoon table for the couch and or swivel seats, and a larger convection microwave for pizza. 3 Likes - Love the floorplan, the shower, the W/D. ( Would love some outdoor "hookup/electrical" options, for kitchen, tv, shower, computer), solar package, 4 wheel package option.
Class C period the kitchen in the rear everything will bounce and be destroyed over time been there done that could have put a manual televator in for the tv and no dinette is a fail
The wayfarer has sumo spring which help the ride. I don’t think so. Everything bounce in a rv. The tv furniture serve as a dinette wirh two provided chairs and there is two table the big surface (when tv is closed) and the table under that can slide. It can be use as computer desk as well. It is the best feature to my opinion with the bathroom and washer dryer. The sofa has also two table that can be attached for multi purpose.
Some of us like dinettes and love U shaped dinettes. Stop saying people don’t need them. 🤯😂
100% agree my minimum spec of motorhome includes a U-shaped dinette and couch.
If Matt says you don’t need it, YOU DO NOT NEED IT‼️ 😂
Agreed. I need a table way more than a couch. Matt definitely doesn't speak for me. And I really dislike the murphy beds.
Matt I am in love with this and I was very disappointed when I found out that the Murphy can only be used with the slide out. So I took some initiative and called Greg a technician at the factory and he said that he would check to see if the tv from the Midas would be available to swap out the desk and hopefully the Murphy will work. He’s supposed to be getting back with me Monday
Love this setup for a B+ size RV. The only critique I have is the upper cabinets located behind the Murphy bed. I couldn’t really store anything in them that I need regularly since it would require me to drop the bed to gain access. Also, the bottom of the Murphy bed looks like a great big white board to me. It would be really cool and totally useful if it is, but if it isn’t, then it is stark to look at. I am short, so access to the monitors and the over counter convection microwave would require a step ladder which is a given in my life anyway. Love that they included washer/dryer so you can full time more easily. I’ve wanted to full time, but I am single-no kids, so I don’t want or need a huge RV with multiple sleeping berths and don’t want to drive a bus. But everyone needs to wash clothes! Laundromats are problematic for me because it takes a long time to accumulate enough laundry for them to be cost and time effective. Love the amount of counter space in kitchen. There is room to actually cook. Beautiful coach. Nice to see something on the market finally that would fit my needs.
Just watched this today. YAY, FINALLY! a washer in a smaller RV! Love it!
Beautiful motorhome. Awesome design Tiffin!! Love everything about this especially the washer/dryer and beautiful kitchen. The hideaway TV is a nice feature. Only negative is the location of the control and monitoring panel. No way I could reach it without a step stool. Also, LOVE that Tiffin updated the OCCC. That was the determining factor why we initially didn’t buy the Wayfayer back in 2019.
At 5' tall I would need a ladder ;)
Me too…5’2” so I’d also need a step stool
Most likely an app to use to access the controls
Outdoor storage non existent!
Love my 21 Wayfarer LW more with Huge garage plus ++ outdoor storage
I just ask this afternoon another dealership and the cargo capacity is 740 lbs. i have the photo of the yellow sticker with same configuration as the review ( propane with washer dryer). The only issue i found is my Vin indicates a 2021 model when the title was indicating NEW 2023. But i didn’t know the JW model was existing in 2021…..??? My dealership said the JW was 740 lbs the RW was 840 lbs and the LW was a bit over 1000 lbs
Move the controls to above the door and within reach. (We own a 25rw … we love it). We removed the over cab cushions and use that space for storage. It’s perfect for our current 2- on the excursion !
Matt & Will, we agree with you on 2 things we do not like but our number 3 thing we do not like is that loud generator, and the mattress needs to be thicker. Stay safe with this weather J.& G
Ok so this is the first time I’m impressed with a class B motor home. I normally make fun of these but this thing had storage a good shower had decent room and storage. Color me impressed
This would be my ideal motorhome to tour America.
Love the desk, tv, kitchen, washer/dryer absolutely adore.
2 things I have an issue with, above the couch the bottom of the bed it's boring needs a mirror or something to break up the wall /couch colour scheme.
Above the cab, if you could have a locked down strorage area for above the cab, if no bed is needed.
But this is the one I would buy, somewhere to work and then relax.
Goorrrgggeeeooouuusss!!! ❤️
Be neat if who ever got this one painted a nice mural on that wall where the couch/ bed is😁
@@annihilatedbutcomingback1119 or used it to put up family pictures, artwork, etc.
@@Charmayne7 oh ya that's a great idea too, I actually like that there's nothing there , so many fun things could be done 🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗
OMG - love that unit. Like all the storage, the combo washer/dryer, the roomy kitchen, the entrance door and sliding screen and the bathroom & shower. I would want the bunk over for the grandkids. No dislikes except the price.
MSRP ….. WOW
This is a really nice rig! Love the big kitchen and large bath and shower. Could definitely see myself cruising around the country in this. You guys do great reviews; love your honesty and funny style. Keep up the great work!
I can't believe I'm saying this... I would consider purchasing this RV for fulltime RV-ing! IT's FANTASTIC! Thank you for this video Matt and Wil... and Colin too!!!
Any more plus with w/d
the cutting board to be brought out of the drawer and placed over the stove top to get more useable counter space?
How could you live with the generator noise?!!!
Wow nice bathroom prolly what most people wonder about, and great design washer dryer setup wow
Great presentation! A vast improvement of my 2017 Wayfarer QW. We had the 65th model in production. The standard features in JW were not even available in the first model year. Such as: Bigfoot hydraulic stabilizers; Solar Panels; 2,000 watt inverter; the revise MB cockpit area and outside cameras. All these items had to be purchased after market. This is a tremendous first with the combo w/d option. Hope they received a lot of orders for this unit. Say hi to Trent Tiffin. Best, Steve & Deb from Western Mass.
Love the 2nd sleeping space, the bathroom, and the washer and dryer. I would love it if they got rid of the cabinet above the TV and move the TV up. Then make the desk a flip up. So can use Murphy without the slide being out if needed.
Awesome coach excellent quality coach very impressive I didn't know this was even possible thanks for the review
I love this one so much that I came back to rewatch the video. I think I figured out the deal with the controls, but they're still a pain.
In the video @18:28 it looks like there's a hinge at the bottom of that panel, and gaps all the way around, as if it's meant to fold down, maybe to access wiring or something? If so, it's possible that the shelf is there to support the panel when it's down so that it doesn't flop around or break off?
I could also be totally wrong. I'd love to hear from Tiffin on this one.
The three things I love are: 1)washer/dryer
2) bigger kitchen
3) shower
Three things I dont like;
1) front bunk too small/no windows
2) small slideout (make it a full slide so coach is roomier)
3) not a fan of murphy bed (area)
Nice vehicle!!
I am 5'1" and would not be able to see or reach controls with a step stool.
WOW, just WOOOWWWWWW! What a great design and the washer-dryer... You hit it out of the park. I believe this is "the one"!
Love the new 23 tiffin wayfarer twin bed model it’s great. The three nice big drawers in the kitchen are very usable and one of my big must haves is a satellite connection which tiffin does the best of.
Great review Matt and Will, nice unit, love the Kitchen, bathroom and murphy bed!!!
I love this RV. I love the bathroom and roomy shower. The automatic bed is a great feature. There is also great counter space in the galley. Improvement ideas would be put the controls in a more reasonable location for people who aren't 6'+, a couple shelves in the second closet for linens, ditch the cutting board and make it a place for knives. Velcro or secure the couch cushions and add a picture above the couch. I am happy to see the generator.
19:11 if you look close the shelf has a piano hinge on it. I do believe it drops down so you can get to switches. Let me know if I’m right. ?
I really liked the entry door, the tankless hot water, and the desk/TV. One dislike is there is no window in the overhead bunk area, but I'm glad it has the bunk over the cab. Second dislike is the controls are two high and hard to reach. I love the combo washer/dryer!
I need a dinette or something to use as a desk. Toss in a couple folding chairs or stools, and that desk can be a dining area. Every part of this coach is perfect. Love it!
That was a beautiful motorhome, and the washer/dryer is totally awesome!
I am 5’1” and I would need a ladder to reach that control/monitoring panel lol, so that is a no go for me. Also noticed there wasn’t a clothing rod in that cabinet underneath the control panels. Kind of weird. Also think Airstream Atlas does the Murthy bed sofa combo better but did like the TV setup with a pullout desk. All in all a great floor plan with some needed tweaks.
OK Matt... As wonderful as the inside is.... Did you and Will even notice all of that storage on the outside of a B+!?!? Did you guys even notice that awesome outside wet area with the enclosed dump area... Overall I'd say this thing is really set up well... To be that small and pack all of that in to a small box is impressive!!! And that shower .... why has everyone else not started doing this???
I love the layout! Never thought I would on a B+.
Pretty amazing OCCC with a W/D combo on board. It was hard to tell for sure but it doesn't look like you could service or remove it with dismantling the casework though.
The occc is wrong. It is 740 lbs with this configuration and the external tv. I have the proof. I have the picture of the yellow sticker for Wayfarer 2023 JW 25. It is 740 lbs. it would be fantastic to be 1150 lbs but it is wrong. Probably this is a prototype that was weighted before the options like the washer dryer (148 les) and generator (203 lbs) and the cell and wifi booster or the vaccum. I have the full list of option included in the 740 lbs cargo if you want.
What is the width and length
Bunk over cab, cutting board, switches in cupboard dislikes.
Love tv placement, w/d combo, desk
If you're looking at this size rig, I'd recommend a Travato for sure. It's about the same size, but the Travato doesn't really look like an RV for sure so you can park stealth much easier. We park at golf courses, medical centers or similar places all the time. They have a G and K versions, both with options for lithium or Genny. We chose the lithium and love it. We travel part time for now, but don't stay in one place very long. It charges while driving or you can do an auto start while parked, but we haven't had to plug in for shore power even once during our past several trips and 15k miles. The K version has 2 twin beds on each side, and they convert to virtually a King. Not many RVs can claim this, but esp class Bs. This for us, sets this model apart from every other class B. The wet bath is small for sure, but it's in the very back and you can set it up for showers outside with a privacy curtain. It just has a sleek look as well, not so "boxy" looking and we get comments and stares everywhere. Yes it's pricey, esp the L model, but you get what you pay for. Safe travels
promaster is garbage, had to lemon law my Travato due to Fiat/Chrysler engine issues and has no power
Hate to hear that for your experience. Ours has been fine so far and we're not necessarily easy on it. Our power seems fine for the weight and size. Some don't like Promasters for sure, but you'll see a lot of opinions. Amazon puts millions of miles on Promasters every day and they seem to like their performance. To each his own@@flatearthdays
I appreciate you include the cargo carry capacity in your videos, it’s usually very difficult to find. Also, I love the dinettes and wouldn’t buy an RV without one!
I wish there was a fully electric lithium/solar version without propane and a wider /longer bed AND a larger TV. The washer/dryer is ABSOLUTELY great and puts that motorhome on out list of the top 2 for us.Central Vac :-) I am in love
There is already one lithium and one 190w Go power solar panels. The top roof cannot handle more than two to my opinion. I would upgrade to a lithionics 320a (68 lbs) and 3000w xantrex (16.5 lbs onstead of 14.7 lbs for the xantrex 2000). But electric battery cannot provide the energy for heating. A simple heater use 1500w. Propane is the way to go for the cooktop and heater. They also propose a Elwell hydronic heating system which use diesel and delete the propane tank. The gas cooktop is replaced with induction cooktops. The Elwell use 0.6 L /hour of Diesel. The coach is limited by the 11030 lbs of the 3500xd chassis. And the cargo for the 2023 jw 25 is 740 lbs and not 1150 lbs as the review specify. I have the yellow sticker picture of a wayfarer identical (propane + washer dryer) it is only 740 lbs. i think for this coach we must remove the generator (203 lbs) which is also very expensive and of course the single lithium battery and replace it with the 4096wh 320a at 12.8V lithionics that have the second alternator port. Adding s second alternator 5500w would replace the generator.
❤️it but make it better
1: Add lighted exhaust hood over stove venting outside
2: 1 lp & induction cook top
3: Move control panels
4: Rather have side by side or stackable washer dryer
5: European double pane acrylic windows with built in blinds
6: Metal a/c ductwork
7: Rear Ladder
With 2 americans and water this rv is past maximum weight
Love the flip tv/desk. Love the combo washer/dryer. and Love the huge bathroom :)
Thank you for the videos! Leg supports on the murphy bed need to be more like the Winnebago View/Navion 24D (actually the whole murphy bed setup is better - don't need to remove the cushions, slats under mattress, leg support storage/setup, and still have storage underneath). I still love Tiffin, but Winnebago has a better design on the murphy bed.
Very LOUD generator! Are they all that loud? Love the model!
I would remove the generator (203 lbs) the occc is really 740 lbs and not 1150 lbs as mentioned in the review. I have the picture of a yellow sticker for the wayfarer 2023 JW 25. The alternator is good 216 amp. I would add a second alternator 5500 w. No need for generator and add instead a lithionics 320a 4096wh which has the alternator port.
Love the washer/dryer, the shower and the tankless hot water! The desk/TV station is also really cool! I like having an overhead bunk and I really like how the did the struts for lifting part of the overhead bunk out of the way. The aircraft door and screen is also a great feature. Tiffin did a great job! The only thing I don't like is there is no dinette.
Tv is a bad idea as you have to clear the desk to raise the tv and you lose storage in the desk.
Isn’t a B+ supposed to have cabinets over the cab versus a bunk? Also it would have been better televator(?) versus the current position of the TV. Do they have this model with theater seating? Cargo capacity is great.
Check out the 25rw. With theater seats. Its what we have
Man this is a wonderful little unit for sure. I love the colors, love the bathroom very tastefully done, love the sofa, kitchen and really love the desk and tv layout(all though I would have to paint something around the TV , the raw wood just doesnt look good). But this unit has everything I would want in a RV tankless hotwater heater to the solar and even the bed space for taking the grandkids with me.... everything in one nice neat package. Only 2 things I wish I could change is the controls to be more reachable and of course a much better price. lol other than that it couldn't be more perfect. oh maybe a fireplace but where would you put it?
This will be my present to myself when I hit the big time. Lol. A perfect RV for me in a perfect world. Thanks for the great video.
This rig is fire, it's so pleasant to look at. The desk, washer/dryer, kitchen, and bathroom are soooo gooood! I don't like the controls placement, the useless bunk bed, slide, and power murphy bed but those are minor issues for the rest of the conveniences. The make and model name should be in the video title.
This is an incredible Floor plan! Good decor choices Tiffin! Washer Dryer? SOLD! Love it!
I don't know if the Wingamm RVs are considered a B+ but those and this are the best I've seen yet.
This thing is really cool. Wandering if that bed would come down with the slide in? With slide out there was room between it and the desk/TV.
Prices have gotten outrageous.
I’ll wait til the bubble pops (it will) and there’s tons on the lot at steep discounts.
right> these prices are not realistic
I'd suggest buying used then. People have been waiting for the "bubble to pop" and "prices to come down to reality" even way before the pandemic. Remember nobody pays MSRP so your real price will usually be 15-30% less or even bigger depending on situation.
Great video.... amazing shower will look small in it. Washer , dryer, .. what I would add.
Bunk over cab, at least 475 pounds. The TV looked sloppie and unfinished. A simple wood frame around the TV could work. With RV, camp sites been ripped off. Why not have small SECURTY domes up high in the outside corners.
Also, the back of the RV looked great, but if there were rubber. Small bumpers in the back cornors.
They could protect, the body. That is one cool, RV, I owned a 45 foot prevost in 93. Never again
Parking it sucked. Driving g in LA sucked. Punks banging on the sides at wallmarts. And parking it cost as much as getting, a high end hotel suite. Great RV, tiff, did a great job.
Fix the TV, raw wood showing. And hide the wires some how .
I would use bunk over the cab to sleep and switch out the Murphy bed with a U shaped dinette. Sweet kitchen and central vac is awesome!
I saw this unit at the Tampa show. The best shower out of all the class C competition. Washer dryer combo is a big plus too. The oven is too high, it needs to be under the stove top. There needs to be a window over the cab and I would rather have a televator than a fold away tv/ desk. This unit is super nice it just needs a few tweaks.
Can't believe I missed this one and may come close to my reconsidering the single sofa/murphybed either/or arrangement, but probably still prefer the dedicated two living area of the RW so couples don't have to turn in at the same time...or one doesn't have a place to sit if one turns in early (or sleeps in). Was impressed with the OCCC of 1150 knowing it had some heavyweight items - leveling, porcelain toilet, diesel generator standard that are options on others if even available. Was absolutely floored with the washer dryer, not that Tiffin is the only one that offers it but it was included in the OCCC! As a side note, kudos to Bob Tiffin. On another forum an individual relayed his discussion with Bob at Hershey who indicated low OCCC was a major corporate concern and he was instituting a focus group to address everything in the build. That is why you see a major improvement between 20/21 model years and the removal of heavy items like solid wood paneling and panels (carryover from Tiffin's Class A heritage as they designed the Wayfarer). Dropping that front window that you like probably saves 150lbs as reflected in competition's lower OCCC with it. Yes, I would like the front loft window, but 150lb savings is nice and can forego the window..
Back on subject, so much I like too much to list, but just a couple little minor things. An easy DIY, but the TV...paint the underside either flat black or match cabinet color rather than the bare, unfinished plywood. It is so distracting. Then the instruments - irrespective of where they are, move them forward to the front as you are not going to be placing items in front of the controls that would have to move to access the controls. Controls being so high is also an issue. The most obvious fix - but not DIY due to cabling - would be to flop the floors, placing the control unit where the storage floor is with the storage raised above.
1150lbs is an error. The real occc is 740lbs. I have the picture of a yellow sticker on another dealerships. The cargo of the 25 JW with this configuration (propane and washer dryer) and just an additional external tv is 740lbs. I have the proof. I don’t know where they get the 1150 lbs on this review. It is 740 lbs.
I have the list of options that are included for this yellow sticker occc values if you want. I think it is with all options, booster cell and wifi, 12v compressor fridge, side cameras, lithium battery, washer dryer, wheels aluminium, vaccum, and more. I have the full list on my computer. The cargo of 740lbs is for occuants, cargo and water. The fuel and LP propane are already full with Tiffin calculation. Personally i would remove the generator and install Lithionics 320ah (68 lbs) and additional 190w panel.(30 lbs) Of course i would remove the original single lithium battery (26 lbs) and the external tv.(14.1 lbs). But the generator (203 lbs) is a go. The sound is horrible and they are forbidden in campground most of the time. I would use the alternator or install a second alternator 5500w kit. The alternator is 216amp standard which is good.
In the storage closet next to the washer/dryer need to put a clothes rod to hang clothes. I like the valances. Like the triangle of power, the bathroom, the TV cabinet/desk. Don't like the overhead bunk "ramp". Need a shelf in the under cabinets of the work station.
Question: can you walk around the bottom of the bed when it is down?
As a whole it is a very nice unit.
I like the desk space, but the underside of the desktop looked unfinished. Would take a smaller kitchen for a king bed, too. Otherwise really liked it, especially the sizable bathroom and shower.
Great Layout!! Love the galley kitchen, counter space and built-in desk/tv and forget about that bathroom - absolutely love the step in/down shower!! A true contender to LTV options...would love to see a modernization of styling...maybe someday, American designers/builders will learn how to make rounded and smooth edges, moving away from panel doors???
If my kids were out of this house this would be high up on my list of an empty nester rig! WOW
This is THE ONE!!!👏👏👏 I would definitely put some kind of ART DECO on the bottom of the Murphy Bed! I would have to ask Andrea what that is though. Lol❤️
Styling looks pretty dated but it’s amazing they put a washer dryer in such a short rv. I kinda like the desk but I think it needs a little work. The bathroom sink is funny looks like a ramen bowl 🤣. Looking forward to what tiffin comes up in the future seems like they’re trying to listen to what people want now.
Matt is at it again with another amazing RV review.
Beautiful MH. Can u really keep a tv flat? Never heard of that but I suppose it’s special? Some design or pic on the Murphy bed. Would be nice. Love the kitchen and bath
Wow!! Love this.
Will you do a comparison video of the MIDAS?
Best I’ve ever seen
and has raised the bar for sure !
Washer/dryer combo, no step up at shower, and 12volt compressor fridge gets thumbs up. Bed near entry door, no dinnette, and poorly placed control panel gets the thumbs down.
Great product makes the Winnebago view look ancient !!
Great RV. Good review guys. You are the deal makers. And the deal breakers. Hi Andrea! Cheers!!!
For me and my husband would be a perfect RV but I would like to upgrade the kitchen I would like to have an oven and 3 burners instead of 2 it has a plenty space on the counter top, pattern of the balance isn’t my favorite and the control panel is to hard to reach out liked a lot with some improvements we aren’t looking nothing bigger than this it’s perfect for 2 people and drive around the world awesome 👍🏻👋🏻🙏😷
Got anything like this NOT on a Mercedes? I really love this one and would buy it if it was on a Ford or Chevy.
The ford transit didn’t have the GVWR to afford it. The sprinter has 11030 lbs max and the cargo left occc on this is 740 lbs ( proof with yellow sticker). A transit currently cannot. But i heard the new transit 2023 increase the GVWR to 11000 so in theory it could if Tiffin would want it. The sprinter 2023 change the engine to a 2.0 L 4 cyl bi turbo diesel next year and the 3.0 l diesel is discontinued. So in the future, why not. The transit will have sync 4 big screen and better maintenance service and less cost. It could be good for Tiffin to switch.
Make the shelf in the ‘controls’ cabinet adjustable then the controls would be acceptable by most, change round sink to rectangle, not enough cargo capacity. Washer / Dryer combo space, office / desk space, and Murphy bed are great.
The shelf under the control panel looks to have a piano hinge on it where it could drop down and out of the way. Not sure but looks that way.
This is a fine unit RV I love it just right for me the only question I would have is the mattress is I like to have a full size mattress not the foam 4 inches everything else I can live with and is good for off-roads forgot to ask if it's a 4x4
Kitchen is awesome and love all the inside storage.
They could so easily have put all of the control and monitoring guages over the entry door. I am tall, put still could not easily read those guages. Wish there was a ladder (but I get the shortage..weird) Love the storage, laundry and bath. They really covered it all. And if you were using this as an office the murphy bed backing makes a great erasable whiteboard. Great capacity load. Definitely could do this fulltime or seasonal fulltime. Well done Tiffin. Desk and TV is a winner...great for on the road work. If you wanted to make this a work station, get one of those foldable footstool with a detachable cushion. Could also be used from the sofa and stored in the over-the-cab. Tiffin you can do better on the load capacity of the over-the-cab bed...come on folks....no way two people could sleep up there and a window would be a great idea too. Still would consider this a first choice at this price point.
Love this one! I am 5ft so the controls are too high.
this is the best floor plan for me. perfect space, no slides heck yes👍👍👌😃
Wow what a great coach. Lots to like for sure. Never saw a W/D in one. The shower is huge. Decent CCC too. Lots of nice space and glad it’s missing the dinette too. Love it. ✌🏼
The occc is wrong. It is 740 lbs. i have the photo of the yellow sticker for a wayfarer 2023 JW 25. It is 740 lbs with this configuration propane and all the options including the washer dryer. It would be fantastic if it was 1150 lbs but it is NOT.
I wish it could sleep 4. The driver and passenger seats swiveling would be great. Definitely could use a windshield over the bunk. Otherwise, an awesome Class B!
Love that bathroom and office space👍 Those controls way up are ridiculous. Should not need to drag out a stool to see them.
Great unit,, awesome layout. One recommendation, make the Murphy bed bigger and manual. Take a look at Renagade or leasure coaches bed set up. Also great washer/dryer and love the kitchen set up. 9 out of 10. Work the bed issue and you have a 10.
I like the electric shades. They are less sensitive to human pull down pressure & angles.
In my view, this is the best floor plan for a Class B+. Well done Tiffin. However, I can't understand anyone at Tiffin saw that it was a good idea to place all the control panels way back up there . It needs fixing and bring forward for ease of use.
Love it! Wish you showed the storage under the couch and chairs under there used for desk or dining. Wish you showed the 2 lagun tables attached at sofa for size perspective. I am only 5'2" and could mot reach those controls..step stool would be a hassle. Lithium batteries and solar would be great with 2nd alternator so they could get rid of generator and propane! Wish the outdoor storage bays were larger..make 1 bay instead of 2!
Add fireplace at tv Move control panel ! Finally somebody put w/!!!!❤
Great B+ but worry about CCC, which I don't believe was mentioned. Everything is beautiful but I have one nitpicky thing that I have about a lot of motorhomes. I don't want to look at the toilet in the door of the bathroom which you see from everywhere in the unit. I prefer the toilet out of sight. But that's just me.
They said 1150 lbs but it is wrong. It is 740 lbs. i have a photo of a yellow sticker for the same model 2023 jw 25. It includes all options and propane configuration with full diesel tank and full LP tank. 740 left for occupants and cargo and water.
Matt’s have probably a prototype weighted differently…
FANTASTIC floor plan!!! Love the color(s) and features.
I’m adding this to my short list of favorites. This and the Wonder RTB and the Ekko
Can you take out the shelf -- t to get at the controls !!?
Except for the placement of controls, this is a wonderful design. The bed over the cab is not a great design but I'd want it for our grandson.
Great tour the back bathroom really works in this layout. The Murphy bed looked easy to use. Seemed the fit and finishes could have been a bit better. Especially for a Tiffin. Thanks for sharing 👍
Did you check the drawers under the control panel? Maybe one of them pulls out to be a stool?
Thanks Matt and Will!
I wish that tv was on a televator. Would be a much cleaner look and only lose a little bit of storage underneath it but there is honestly plenty of storage in this rig. Add a televator…would make a huge difference. Can the bed come down with the slide closed?
Love this! 3 dislikes - A swivel or angle option TV/desk so you can see it from the swivel seats with more electrical, Lagoon table for the couch and or swivel seats, and a larger convection microwave for pizza. 3 Likes - Love the floorplan, the shower, the W/D. ( Would love some outdoor "hookup/electrical" options, for kitchen, tv, shower, computer), solar package, 4 wheel package option.
That’s beautiful 🤩 lots of storage!!
I’m 4”10 I couldn’t reach or see the tank levels or switches!🙁 Other than that beautiful B+!!!
Omg..one of my favorites so far. I'd live in that no worries.
I love this one!! Thanks guys!
Class C period the kitchen in the rear everything will bounce and be destroyed over time been there done that could have put a manual televator in for the tv and no dinette is a fail
The wayfarer has sumo spring which help the ride. I don’t think so. Everything bounce in a rv. The tv furniture serve as a dinette wirh two provided chairs and there is two table the big surface (when tv is closed) and the table under that can slide. It can be use as computer desk as well. It is the best feature to my opinion with the bathroom and washer dryer. The sofa has also two table that can be attached for multi purpose.