Perfect B+ for Fulltime LIVING In!!! NEW FLOORPLAN!
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- Опубліковано 23 січ 2022
- 2022 Tiffin Wayfarer 25JW - Thank you to Tiffin
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Some of us like dinettes and love U shaped dinettes. Stop saying people don’t need them. 🤯😂
100% agree my minimum spec of motorhome includes a U-shaped dinette and couch.
If Matt says you don’t need it, YOU DO NOT NEED IT‼️ 😂
Agreed. I need a table way more than a couch. Matt definitely doesn't speak for me. And I really dislike the murphy beds.
Beautiful motorhome. Awesome design Tiffin!! Love everything about this especially the washer/dryer and beautiful kitchen. The hideaway TV is a nice feature. Only negative is the location of the control and monitoring panel. No way I could reach it without a step stool. Also, LOVE that Tiffin updated the OCCC. That was the determining factor why we initially didn’t buy the Wayfayer back in 2019.
At 5' tall I would need a ladder ;)
Me too…5’2” so I’d also need a step stool
Most likely an app to use to access the controls
Outdoor storage non existent!
Love my 21 Wayfarer LW more with Huge garage plus ++ outdoor storage
I just ask this afternoon another dealership and the cargo capacity is 740 lbs. i have the photo of the yellow sticker with same configuration as the review ( propane with washer dryer). The only issue i found is my Vin indicates a 2021 model when the title was indicating NEW 2023. But i didn’t know the JW model was existing in 2021…..??? My dealership said the JW was 740 lbs the RW was 840 lbs and the LW was a bit over 1000 lbs
Love this setup for a B+ size RV. The only critique I have is the upper cabinets located behind the Murphy bed. I couldn’t really store anything in them that I need regularly since it would require me to drop the bed to gain access. Also, the bottom of the Murphy bed looks like a great big white board to me. It would be really cool and totally useful if it is, but if it isn’t, then it is stark to look at. I am short, so access to the monitors and the over counter convection microwave would require a step ladder which is a given in my life anyway. Love that they included washer/dryer so you can full time more easily. I’ve wanted to full time, but I am single-no kids, so I don’t want or need a huge RV with multiple sleeping berths and don’t want to drive a bus. But everyone needs to wash clothes! Laundromats are problematic for me because it takes a long time to accumulate enough laundry for them to be cost and time effective. Love the amount of counter space in kitchen. There is room to actually cook. Beautiful coach. Nice to see something on the market finally that would fit my needs.
Ok so this is the first time I’m impressed with a class B motor home. I normally make fun of these but this thing had storage a good shower had decent room and storage. Color me impressed
This would be my ideal motorhome to tour America.
Love the desk, tv, kitchen, washer/dryer absolutely adore.
2 things I have an issue with, above the couch the bottom of the bed it's boring needs a mirror or something to break up the wall /couch colour scheme.
Above the cab, if you could have a locked down strorage area for above the cab, if no bed is needed.
But this is the one I would buy, somewhere to work and then relax.
Goorrrgggeeeooouuusss!!! ❤️
Be neat if who ever got this one painted a nice mural on that wall where the couch/ bed is😁
@@annihilatedbutcomingback1119 or used it to put up family pictures, artwork, etc.
@@Charmayne7 oh ya that's a great idea too, I actually like that there's nothing there , so many fun things could be done 🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗
Move the controls to above the door and within reach. (We own a 25rw … we love it). We removed the over cab cushions and use that space for storage. It’s perfect for our current 2- on the excursion !
This might be the best RV I've seen ever!!! I love the size of it.
This is a really nice rig! Love the big kitchen and large bath and shower. Could definitely see myself cruising around the country in this. You guys do great reviews; love your honesty and funny style. Keep up the great work!
OMG - love that unit. Like all the storage, the combo washer/dryer, the roomy kitchen, the entrance door and sliding screen and the bathroom & shower. I would want the bunk over for the grandkids. No dislikes except the price.
MSRP ….. WOW
I can't believe I'm saying this... I would consider purchasing this RV for fulltime RV-ing! IT's FANTASTIC! Thank you for this video Matt and Wil... and Colin too!!!
Just watched this today. YAY, FINALLY! a washer in a smaller RV! Love it!
Great presentation! A vast improvement of my 2017 Wayfarer QW. We had the 65th model in production. The standard features in JW were not even available in the first model year. Such as: Bigfoot hydraulic stabilizers; Solar Panels; 2,000 watt inverter; the revise MB cockpit area and outside cameras. All these items had to be purchased after market. This is a tremendous first with the combo w/d option. Hope they received a lot of orders for this unit. Say hi to Trent Tiffin. Best, Steve & Deb from Western Mass.
Love the 2nd sleeping space, the bathroom, and the washer and dryer. I would love it if they got rid of the cabinet above the TV and move the TV up. Then make the desk a flip up. So can use Murphy without the slide being out if needed.
Awesome coach excellent quality coach very impressive I didn't know this was even possible thanks for the review
Matt & Will, we agree with you on 2 things we do not like but our number 3 thing we do not like is that loud generator, and the mattress needs to be thicker. Stay safe with this weather J.& G
Great review Matt and Will, nice unit, love the Kitchen, bathroom and murphy bed!!!
I love this RV. I love the bathroom and roomy shower. The automatic bed is a great feature. There is also great counter space in the galley. Improvement ideas would be put the controls in a more reasonable location for people who aren't 6'+, a couple shelves in the second closet for linens, ditch the cutting board and make it a place for knives. Velcro or secure the couch cushions and add a picture above the couch. I am happy to see the generator.
That was a beautiful motorhome, and the washer/dryer is totally awesome!
OK Matt... As wonderful as the inside is.... Did you and Will even notice all of that storage on the outside of a B+!?!? Did you guys even notice that awesome outside wet area with the enclosed dump area... Overall I'd say this thing is really set up well... To be that small and pack all of that in to a small box is impressive!!! And that shower .... why has everyone else not started doing this???
I need a dinette or something to use as a desk. Toss in a couple folding chairs or stools, and that desk can be a dining area. Every part of this coach is perfect. Love it!
I love the layout! Never thought I would on a B+.
Love the flip tv/desk. Love the combo washer/dryer. and Love the huge bathroom :)
Matt I am in love with this and I was very disappointed when I found out that the Murphy can only be used with the slide out. So I took some initiative and called Greg a technician at the factory and he said that he would check to see if the tv from the Midas would be available to swap out the desk and hopefully the Murphy will work. He’s supposed to be getting back with me Monday
I am 5’1” and I would need a ladder to reach that control/monitoring panel lol, so that is a no go for me. Also noticed there wasn’t a clothing rod in that cabinet underneath the control panels. Kind of weird. Also think Airstream Atlas does the Murthy bed sofa combo better but did like the TV setup with a pullout desk. All in all a great floor plan with some needed tweaks.
Wow what a great coach. Lots to like for sure. Never saw a W/D in one. The shower is huge. Decent CCC too. Lots of nice space and glad it’s missing the dinette too. Love it. ✌🏼
The occc is wrong. It is 740 lbs. i have the photo of the yellow sticker for a wayfarer 2023 JW 25. It is 740 lbs with this configuration propane and all the options including the washer dryer. It would be fantastic if it was 1150 lbs but it is NOT.
Wow nice bathroom prolly what most people wonder about, and great design washer dryer setup wow
WOW, just WOOOWWWWWW! What a great design and the washer-dryer... You hit it out of the park. I believe this is "the one"!
FANTASTIC floor plan!!! Love the color(s) and features.
Love the new 23 tiffin wayfarer twin bed model it’s great. The three nice big drawers in the kitchen are very usable and one of my big must haves is a satellite connection which tiffin does the best of.
Great tour the back bathroom really works in this layout. The Murphy bed looked easy to use. Seemed the fit and finishes could have been a bit better. Especially for a Tiffin. Thanks for sharing 👍
Love the washer/dryer, the shower and the tankless hot water! The desk/TV station is also really cool! I like having an overhead bunk and I really like how the did the struts for lifting part of the overhead bunk out of the way. The aircraft door and screen is also a great feature. Tiffin did a great job! The only thing I don't like is there is no dinette.
Tv is a bad idea as you have to clear the desk to raise the tv and you lose storage in the desk.
Thanks Matt and Will!
This will be my present to myself when I hit the big time. Lol. A perfect RV for me in a perfect world. Thanks for the great video.
Great Layout!! Love the galley kitchen, counter space and built-in desk/tv and forget about that bathroom - absolutely love the step in/down shower!! A true contender to LTV options...would love to see a modernization of styling...maybe someday, American designers/builders will learn how to make rounded and smooth edges, moving away from panel doors???
this is the best floor plan for me. perfect space, no slides heck yes👍👍👌😃
This is an incredible Floor plan! Good decor choices Tiffin! Washer Dryer? SOLD! Love it!
I really liked the entry door, the tankless hot water, and the desk/TV. One dislike is there is no window in the overhead bunk area, but I'm glad it has the bunk over the cab. Second dislike is the controls are two high and hard to reach. I love the combo washer/dryer!
Styling looks pretty dated but it’s amazing they put a washer dryer in such a short rv. I kinda like the desk but I think it needs a little work. The bathroom sink is funny looks like a ramen bowl 🤣. Looking forward to what tiffin comes up in the future seems like they’re trying to listen to what people want now.
I love this one!! Thanks guys!
Matt is at it again with another amazing RV review.
If my kids were out of this house this would be high up on my list of an empty nester rig! WOW
Great video.... amazing shower will look small in it. Washer , dryer, .. what I would add.
Bunk over cab, at least 475 pounds. The TV looked sloppie and unfinished. A simple wood frame around the TV could work. With RV, camp sites been ripped off. Why not have small SECURTY domes up high in the outside corners.
Also, the back of the RV looked great, but if there were rubber. Small bumpers in the back cornors.
They could protect, the body. That is one cool, RV, I owned a 45 foot prevost in 93. Never again
Parking it sucked. Driving g in LA sucked. Punks banging on the sides at wallmarts. And parking it cost as much as getting, a high end hotel suite. Great RV, tiff, did a great job.
Fix the TV, raw wood showing. And hide the wires some how .
Kitchen is awesome and love all the inside storage.
The three things I love are: 1)washer/dryer
2) bigger kitchen
3) shower
Three things I dont like;
1) front bunk too small/no windows
2) small slideout (make it a full slide so coach is roomier)
3) not a fan of murphy bed (area)
❤️it but make it better
1: Add lighted exhaust hood over stove venting outside
2: 1 lp & induction cook top
3: Move control panels
4: Rather have side by side or stackable washer dryer
5: European double pane acrylic windows with built in blinds
6: Metal a/c ductwork
7: Rear Ladder
With 2 americans and water this rv is past maximum weight
Great RV. Good review guys. You are the deal makers. And the deal breakers. Hi Andrea! Cheers!!!
Nice vehicle!!
I am 5'1" and would not be able to see or reach controls with a step stool.
I appreciate you include the cargo carry capacity in your videos, it’s usually very difficult to find. Also, I love the dinettes and wouldn’t buy an RV without one!
This is THE ONE!!!👏👏👏 I would definitely put some kind of ART DECO on the bottom of the Murphy Bed! I would have to ask Andrea what that is though. Lol❤️
Man this is a wonderful little unit for sure. I love the colors, love the bathroom very tastefully done, love the sofa, kitchen and really love the desk and tv layout(all though I would have to paint something around the TV , the raw wood just doesnt look good). But this unit has everything I would want in a RV tankless hotwater heater to the solar and even the bed space for taking the grandkids with me.... everything in one nice neat package. Only 2 things I wish I could change is the controls to be more reachable and of course a much better price. lol other than that it couldn't be more perfect. oh maybe a fireplace but where would you put it?
VERY impressive! Unfortunately the night of those controls is a deal breaker for me. Well done guys. Thanks for going all the way out to Tiffin for us.
That’s beautiful 🤩 lots of storage!!
I’m 4”10 I couldn’t reach or see the tank levels or switches!🙁 Other than that beautiful B+!!!
Great floor plan, love the finishes
Pretty amazing OCCC with a W/D combo on board. It was hard to tell for sure but it doesn't look like you could service or remove it with dismantling the casework though.
The occc is wrong. It is 740 lbs with this configuration and the external tv. I have the proof. I have the picture of the yellow sticker for Wayfarer 2023 JW 25. It is 740 lbs. it would be fantastic to be 1150 lbs but it is wrong. Probably this is a prototype that was weighted before the options like the washer dryer (148 les) and generator (203 lbs) and the cell and wifi booster or the vaccum. I have the full list of option included in the 740 lbs cargo if you want.
Great unit,, awesome layout. One recommendation, make the Murphy bed bigger and manual. Take a look at Renagade or leasure coaches bed set up. Also great washer/dryer and love the kitchen set up. 9 out of 10. Work the bed issue and you have a 10.
Beautiful. Great floor plan. 👏
I would use bunk over the cab to sleep and switch out the Murphy bed with a U shaped dinette. Sweet kitchen and central vac is awesome!
Love that bathroom and office space👍 Those controls way up are ridiculous. Should not need to drag out a stool to see them.
Thank you👍
As always love you guys!!!
I like the electric shades. They are less sensitive to human pull down pressure & angles.
I saw this unit at the Tampa show. The best shower out of all the class C competition. Washer dryer combo is a big plus too. The oven is too high, it needs to be under the stove top. There needs to be a window over the cab and I would rather have a televator than a fold away tv/ desk. This unit is super nice it just needs a few tweaks.
Best I’ve ever seen
and has raised the bar for sure !
Thank you for the videos! Leg supports on the murphy bed need to be more like the Winnebago View/Navion 24D (actually the whole murphy bed setup is better - don't need to remove the cushions, slats under mattress, leg support storage/setup, and still have storage underneath). I still love Tiffin, but Winnebago has a better design on the murphy bed.
Add fireplace at tv Move control panel ! Finally somebody put w/!!!!❤
Wow!! Love this.
Will you do a comparison video of the MIDAS?
love, love this one! It's the one I want !
Omg..one of my favorites so far. I'd live in that no worries.
Great product makes the Winnebago view look ancient !!
Bunk over cab, cutting board, switches in cupboard dislikes.
Love tv placement, w/d combo, desk
Prices have gotten outrageous.
I’ll wait til the bubble pops (it will) and there’s tons on the lot at steep discounts.
right> these prices are not realistic
I'd suggest buying used then. People have been waiting for the "bubble to pop" and "prices to come down to reality" even way before the pandemic. Remember nobody pays MSRP so your real price will usually be 15-30% less or even bigger depending on situation.
Finally shower walls that go to the ceiling.
I wish there was a fully electric lithium/solar version without propane and a wider /longer bed AND a larger TV. The washer/dryer is ABSOLUTELY great and puts that motorhome on out list of the top 2 for us.Central Vac :-) I am in love
There is already one lithium and one 190w Go power solar panels. The top roof cannot handle more than two to my opinion. I would upgrade to a lithionics 320a (68 lbs) and 3000w xantrex (16.5 lbs onstead of 14.7 lbs for the xantrex 2000). But electric battery cannot provide the energy for heating. A simple heater use 1500w. Propane is the way to go for the cooktop and heater. They also propose a Elwell hydronic heating system which use diesel and delete the propane tank. The gas cooktop is replaced with induction cooktops. The Elwell use 0.6 L /hour of Diesel. The coach is limited by the 11030 lbs of the 3500xd chassis. And the cargo for the 2023 jw 25 is 740 lbs and not 1150 lbs as the review specify. I have the yellow sticker picture of a wayfarer identical (propane + washer dryer) it is only 740 lbs. i think for this coach we must remove the generator (203 lbs) which is also very expensive and of course the single lithium battery and replace it with the 4096wh 320a at 12.8V lithionics that have the second alternator port. Adding s second alternator 5500w would replace the generator.
I don't know if the Wingamm RVs are considered a B+ but those and this are the best I've seen yet.
This thing is really cool. Wandering if that bed would come down with the slide in? With slide out there was room between it and the desk/TV.
Wowsa ... they have been listening ... I agree that drawer is just weird. That actually has good counter space and no one wants to cut up anything over a drawer. That Bathroom is to die for 👍.... I would need a stool to operate that panel. Just hope you don't stop to late and trip over stool while looking for it .. 😉
Beautiful perfect layout
Can't believe I missed this one and may come close to my reconsidering the single sofa/murphybed either/or arrangement, but probably still prefer the dedicated two living area of the RW so couples don't have to turn in at the same time...or one doesn't have a place to sit if one turns in early (or sleeps in). Was impressed with the OCCC of 1150 knowing it had some heavyweight items - leveling, porcelain toilet, diesel generator standard that are options on others if even available. Was absolutely floored with the washer dryer, not that Tiffin is the only one that offers it but it was included in the OCCC! As a side note, kudos to Bob Tiffin. On another forum an individual relayed his discussion with Bob at Hershey who indicated low OCCC was a major corporate concern and he was instituting a focus group to address everything in the build. That is why you see a major improvement between 20/21 model years and the removal of heavy items like solid wood paneling and panels (carryover from Tiffin's Class A heritage as they designed the Wayfarer). Dropping that front window that you like probably saves 150lbs as reflected in competition's lower OCCC with it. Yes, I would like the front loft window, but 150lb savings is nice and can forego the window..
Back on subject, so much I like too much to list, but just a couple little minor things. An easy DIY, but the TV...paint the underside either flat black or match cabinet color rather than the bare, unfinished plywood. It is so distracting. Then the instruments - irrespective of where they are, move them forward to the front as you are not going to be placing items in front of the controls that would have to move to access the controls. Controls being so high is also an issue. The most obvious fix - but not DIY due to cabling - would be to flop the floors, placing the control unit where the storage floor is with the storage raised above.
1150lbs is an error. The real occc is 740lbs. I have the picture of a yellow sticker on another dealerships. The cargo of the 25 JW with this configuration (propane and washer dryer) and just an additional external tv is 740lbs. I have the proof. I don’t know where they get the 1150 lbs on this review. It is 740 lbs.
I have the list of options that are included for this yellow sticker occc values if you want. I think it is with all options, booster cell and wifi, 12v compressor fridge, side cameras, lithium battery, washer dryer, wheels aluminium, vaccum, and more. I have the full list on my computer. The cargo of 740lbs is for occuants, cargo and water. The fuel and LP propane are already full with Tiffin calculation. Personally i would remove the generator and install Lithionics 320ah (68 lbs) and additional 190w panel.(30 lbs) Of course i would remove the original single lithium battery (26 lbs) and the external tv.(14.1 lbs). But the generator (203 lbs) is a go. The sound is horrible and they are forbidden in campground most of the time. I would use the alternator or install a second alternator 5500w kit. The alternator is 216amp standard which is good.
Love this floor plan.
Really impressive!
I wish it could sleep 4. The driver and passenger seats swiveling would be great. Definitely could use a windshield over the bunk. Otherwise, an awesome Class B!
I’m adding this to my short list of favorites. This and the Wonder RTB and the Ekko
Great review guys! Question: I couldn’t see in the video how someone is supposed to get in and out of the bunk while the Murphy bed is deployed. It seems like the bed would block the ladder. It wouldn’t be much fun to have our son just jump down onto our bed in the middle of the night when he needs to hit the head.
Other than that and the placement of the controls, this rig is awesome!
That is a fault of most of the front end beds and over the cab sleepers. Not sure how they would resolve it. Good point though.
Beautiful MH. Can u really keep a tv flat? Never heard of that but I suppose it’s special? Some design or pic on the Murphy bed. Would be nice. Love the kitchen and bath
I like how you keep calling it a B+, but you know it's on a cutaway chassis so it's a C class lol besides I haven't seen any B+'s with a bunk over the cab lol nice interior colours, not so nice exterior colours but tiffin made up for it with the washer/dryer combo 👍the TV/desk combo would make a good dinette. tiffin is a great company that builds nice RVs! keep up the good work tiffin!!
They could so easily have put all of the control and monitoring guages over the entry door. I am tall, put still could not easily read those guages. Wish there was a ladder (but I get the shortage..weird) Love the storage, laundry and bath. They really covered it all. And if you were using this as an office the murphy bed backing makes a great erasable whiteboard. Great capacity load. Definitely could do this fulltime or seasonal fulltime. Well done Tiffin. Desk and TV is a winner...great for on the road work. If you wanted to make this a work station, get one of those foldable footstool with a detachable cushion. Could also be used from the sofa and stored in the over-the-cab. Tiffin you can do better on the load capacity of the over-the-cab bed...come on folks....no way two people could sleep up there and a window would be a great idea too. Still would consider this a first choice at this price point.
This a a nice beautiful Tiffin motorhome.
My likes are the tv the washer and dryer in a class B+. And the bathroom. I don’t like that the buttons are too high up to reach for the controls. Other than that it’s a great class B+. Thank you Matt and Wil.
Got anything like this NOT on a Mercedes? I really love this one and would buy it if it was on a Ford or Chevy.
The ford transit didn’t have the GVWR to afford it. The sprinter has 11030 lbs max and the cargo left occc on this is 740 lbs ( proof with yellow sticker). A transit currently cannot. But i heard the new transit 2023 increase the GVWR to 11000 so in theory it could if Tiffin would want it. The sprinter 2023 change the engine to a 2.0 L 4 cyl bi turbo diesel next year and the 3.0 l diesel is discontinued. So in the future, why not. The transit will have sync 4 big screen and better maintenance service and less cost. It could be good for Tiffin to switch.
In the storage closet next to the washer/dryer need to put a clothes rod to hang clothes. I like the valances. Like the triangle of power, the bathroom, the TV cabinet/desk. Don't like the overhead bunk "ramp". Need a shelf in the under cabinets of the work station.
Question: can you walk around the bottom of the bed when it is down?
As a whole it is a very nice unit.
I love the fact you finally say no dinette.... I keep looking for ones with no dinette...this rv is perfect with they did the theator lounge with this .
i will say this surprised me. pleasantly surprised me. the best class b i've ever seen.
Aww man! I wish this had come out before the Tampa show. By the time I got to the Tiffin area, I was so exhausted, I didn't really look at anything. I would have loved to check this one out.
Great floorplan! I'm even ok with the 74" bed because of the size of this RV. I always like a murphy bed for small units like this, because I don't have to remake the bed every night, but the bed is out of the way during the day. I also love the TV / desk area. I think that's a fantastic idea and implementation, and is something I would 100% use. Sinking the floor of the shower down like they did was a great idea. I was shocked to see how much room Wil had in there. Add the good size fridge and the very unexpected W/D, and this is as close to perfect (for me) that I've ever seen. Great job Tiffin!!!
The #1 thing I'd change is the chassis. I just find the Mercedes chassis to be too expensive and have too little CCC for me. I'd much rather it be on the AWD Transit chassis. Also, the doors on the fridge should open the other way so that the opening is in the direction of the kitchen counter.
Make the shelf in the ‘controls’ cabinet adjustable then the controls would be acceptable by most, change round sink to rectangle, not enough cargo capacity. Washer / Dryer combo space, office / desk space, and Murphy bed are great.
This rig is fire, it's so pleasant to look at. The desk, washer/dryer, kitchen, and bathroom are soooo gooood! I don't like the controls placement, the useless bunk bed, slide, and power murphy bed but those are minor issues for the rest of the conveniences. The make and model name should be in the video title.
This is awesome. I am 6 foot 8inches and I think this shower and bathroom would be awesome, plus enough towing to pull my pop-up behind me for the kids. LOLS.
One word.....WOW.
Very beautiful Class B++. It is nice to see a coach that can accommodate someone close to 6'5".
However, the TV should have been a Televator. If it was an issue of hiding the outlets and wires, installing a double sliding door or a door that opens out and up, creating a small shelf.
Outstanding!
Love it! Wish you showed the storage under the couch and chairs under there used for desk or dining. Wish you showed the 2 lagun tables attached at sofa for size perspective. I am only 5'2" and could mot reach those controls..step stool would be a hassle. Lithium batteries and solar would be great with 2nd alternator so they could get rid of generator and propane! Wish the outdoor storage bays were larger..make 1 bay instead of 2!
I like the desk space, but the underside of the desktop looked unfinished. Would take a smaller kitchen for a king bed, too. Otherwise really liked it, especially the sizable bathroom and shower.