“Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s foes will be those of his own household. He who loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he who loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and he who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for my sake will find it." (Luke 10:34-39) Those are hard words to put into practice. Thank you, Kim and Jackie.
@@mikewilliams235 When I hear Jesus say, "If you love me, you will keep my commandments" (John 14:15) and "You are my friends if you do what I command you" (John 15:14) and "If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commandments and abide in his love" (John 15:10), it speaks to a hard reality. According to Jesus, those who desire to have a relationship with Him (i.e., those who believe in Him and want to love Him) MUST follow His teachings and the more thorough teachings on faith and morals of His Church. Faith in Him (and love for Him) comes with behavioral conditions. According to Jesus, you can't divorce the two. Fr. James Martin likes to argue that Jesus never spoke about homosexuality specifically, and that is true. However, St. Paul did and God the Father has in his Dialogues with St. Catherine of Siena. There is a lot of moral teaching in the Catechism that Jesus never addressed directly. That's why He left us a Church -- a teaching authority, guided by the Holy Spirit, to clarify God's teachings on faith and morals. "Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." (Matthew 7:21). Anyone who would say "Lord" to Jesus has faith in Him.
Lee Moraglio Great point and I love the scripture quotes you put up. Fr James Martin may need to revisit the Old Testament and read about Sodom and Gomorrah.
@@heavyrain5949 Didn't say "like", but "love". To love is to will the good of the other, and wanting the best for their soul. It's not meant to be easy.
@@heavyrain5949 Semantics? Not at all, friend. Again, to love someone - to truly love them - is to will the good of them. This love can be expressed in many ways, but, it's not synonymous with liking or disliking them, or, an aspect of their life.
"When we love Jesus first, we can love others right." Couldn't agree more with those powerful words! Thank you for sharing. You guys rock! God bless you both!
Thank-you for sharing this. I've had to have the conversation Kim's mom had with her, with a dearly beloved one (with as much love and gentleness and truth as I could, after much prayer), and thankfully it went better than I might've imagined.... But it was still so hard. And this loved one isn't yet a practicing Christian. So it was a balm for my heart to hear at least one person (Kim) saying that I made the right choice by choosing to have that hard conversation -- and more importantly than any question of my 'rightness', it's a balm for my heart to see Kim living in union with the Lord now, and knowing that she's in a good place. This gives me hope for my friend: a visual image that it's possible. And thank you both for talking about the seriousness with which we have to approach interactions between male-female people, too. We're not loving anyone if we're being hypocritical. Jesus is the way, for *all* of us.
So you told someone it was wrong for them to be who they are because of a book of fiction you’ve invested so much in? Wow, judgmental and self righteous much? 🤦🏼♂️
Being someone who married another Catholic but outside the church and without all the preparation (and now on the brink of divorce - not my choice) I WISH someone would have confronted me about doing it God’s way and with the guidance of the Church. God’s way is always the best way.
Sick Politics thank you so much for that encouragement. My husband said he wants out before getting it blessed so he can have an “out” - meaning annulment. We’ve been married 10 years and raised a Catholic family. Unfortunately, I believe he’s lost in the devils lies right now. Please pray for our family.
Seasonal Living I will pray for your family. Pray for him every day; even though you think your prayers aren’t answered. Let God heal your heart ❤️ and your family. There is a priest who says “don’t worry if you did everything right. Sometimes there are some people who have a stone heart and don’t let God get into them; pray for them. Their souls need your prayers.” He has helped to restore marriages who had been divorced for years. And also he has helped divorced people to heal when their partner does not want to change. He says: we can always forgive a repentant soul, but sometimes there are people who doesn’t want to be forgiven. Still you have to forgive them, find a priest or and spiritual director to analyze your own case since each marriage is different and particular. Let them help you to see if there’s something that could be done. Blessings 😉 (my marriage was restored and I can say it came stronger than ever because it was heal in Christ, my husband was an atheist; and I wasn’t catholic and thanks to our conversion we are building a true marriage with God in the center of our lives).
Maddox Ford that’s why it is important to go to a priest or an spiritual advisor. I know a priest who has help women to annulled their marriage. Now, in case the marriage it’s not annulled, but she remarried she still can attend mass any time, and join to catholic groups etc. Divorce people need our love and support, the only thing they cannot do it to receive the Eucharist but not because a priest does not want to but for some biblical reason. But she can always pray the spiritual Eucharist prayer. There is a priest who works a lot with divorce people unfortunately he only speaks Spanish. I’ve tried to find his videos translated into English but I haven’t succeeded. I invite you to come back home and forgive us in case we haven’t been good brothers or sisters.
I think the bottom line for the Catholic Church is that since no children can come from the same sex marriage, it can’t be a real marriage. I think most people would say well if that’s the way you feel then please don’t come to my ceremony or my reception after. It lets people know what you value and obviously you don’t value your friend or family member because you value God first. I don’t know where in the Bible it says that this is OK to treat people as not worthy because they are homosexual. If I go to a protestant same-sex wedding somehow that’s going to keep my friends out of Heaven? Love one another as I have Loved you. Isn’t that what it says Jesus said.? This reminds me that there is a big divide between the love of Jesus and the institution of the Catholic Church. Why are you a reckoning I shouldn’t even receive communion because of some of my attitudes or. The people I vote for. The world changes. Jesus was a man of his world
Marianne Havisham how? If you’re marrying someone unequally yoked...God doesn’t want that. That’s the one thing God asked when you’re considering marrying someone. Why would I go to, let’s say my sister, my sister’s wedding if I know she’s marrying someone that will tear her down spiritually?
I encourage anyone going through these comments to just pause and say a quick prayer. For everyone. Those who wouldn’t go. Those who would go. Same sex couples. Heterosexual couples. We all need Jesus and each other’s prayers🥺 we need to have love, compassion and respect for one another, we must have that FIRST if we are to ever learn from one another and call our selves followers of Christ💖 May God bless you all!💕
I just get scared of losing my friends, I've lost so many already. It's so hard to have a conversation with people these days, it's scary. I wish that we can just all support each other but I do understand your point. I'm Catholic but many things are just confusing me and I just feel lost.
Father Mike Schmitz has great way of talking to the young and getting to the point in extraordinary way of explaining. Remember how the Scripture talks about friends, that close real friends are a gift far over acquaintances. There are those who needs you love, then there are those who sharpens you (like iron sharpening iron) - your true friends.
Perfect love (for and with God) drives out all fear - you may and likely will still lose friends but if that's because of your faithfulness to and love for Jesus they are not your friends. True friends want the best for us and from us as well as for and from themselves, and that can never be achieved apart from Christ. Allow Him to help you clean your house inside and outside, and then be grateful for it, and He will bless you in ways that you can't imagine! God bless, Andrew
Hey fellow MG :) I can definitely relate to the loss of friendship. Lean into the bible, and lean into speakers that have had the opportunity to do deep dives - learn from them. It helps make it feel less overwhelming.
I’ve lost all my friends at first. However I’ve made some new ones from going to mass, participating in church functions, and becoming a Knight of Columbus. Friends will come and go, but a relationship with Jesus is eternal. Looking back now, I’d rather have the friends I’ve gained from my parish than the ones that kept me in my sinful ways. I don’t want to have to go to confession for something I did with my old “friends.” It’s like apologizing for have them. 🤷🏻♂️
Marianne Havisham disagreeing with someone’s beliefs or actions does not equate to not loving that person. It is too easy to label someone homophobic because they believe differently than you. Ironically there is no derogatory name for people who disagree with people who believe in the traditional view of marriage.
Marianne Havisham it also is not bullying to not attend a ceremony you do not believe in. We had a friend that did not attend our wedding because we are Catholic and he is Baptist. That was not bullying either.
Marianne Havisham I can understand where you might draw that conclusion if you do not understand the Catholic Church’s teaching on sexuality and marriage. If you are open to trying to understand I recommend read John Paul 2 ‘s theology of the body or Edward Sri’s book Men, Women and the Mystery of Love. At the very least though you may disagree you might better understand our point of view.
Marianne Havisham That’s great! I don’t think you have to be Catholic. The ideas expressed will like I said at the least give understanding and express a love and respect of all people. Neither is terribly long. I found Dr. Sri’s the easiest read.
No, there's a legitimate place for the longer answer here. Yes, the *bottom line* may still be 'no', but when human hearts are vulnerable, more words are sometimes necessary to take proper care of them.
I really appreciate that people like you guys who are on the other side of the issue care so much about taking the hatred out of disagreement. ☺ No matter what we believe, being loving, understanding, and respectful is the best thing we can do as people. Thanks for sharing you thoughts.
Thank you for sharing this topic. Mother Angelica, from EWTN, once answer pretty much the same as you did to a caller, because we love them not only this short life but to eternity we don't want their soul to be lost. God bless you Ladies.
My homosexual sister was going to be married this year. We've really never talked about my beliefs. As far as I know, she thinks I'm still a bit socially liberal like I used to be, so she's assumed I would just go. The pandemic caused her to postpone the wedding, so thanks be to God I have more time to have this conversation. Ascension always comes in clutch with videos I need.
I went through this with my sister as well and had the talk. I did not go. And we still have a relationship. She still is “married” to a woman but I still pray for her. I hope your sister will come to Christ instead!
Ben honestly it’s been an ongoing conversation so it wasn’t the first time we had talked about it. She really seemed to realize that not everyone shares her beliefs and she accepts that. It’s been a few years now since they got married.
Thank you for this video! I was recently thinking about it. I find it sometimes scary to navigate my way through this secular world as a young catholic and this gave me hope.
I’ve lost all my friends at first. However I’ve made some new ones from going to mass, participating in church functions, and becoming a Knight of Columbus. Friends will come and go, but a relationship with Jesus is eternal. Looking back now, I’d rather have the friends I’ve gained from my parish than the ones that kept me in my sinful ways. I don’t want to have to go to confession for something I did with my old “friends.” It’s like apologizing for have them. 🤷🏻♂️
This is SUPER hard, especially in today’s world that teaches people their sexuality IS their identity. I absolutely love your message of leading with LOVE, and the gently reminder that authentic love is SUPPOSED to be deliberate and difficult. Love for Jesus FIRST! 🙌Beautiful job, ladies!! 💜
No, nobody teaches you your sexuality is your identity (in fact, if it is, you're boring). They just teach you to accept yourself the way you were born, instead of forcing to to live a lie
I think the idea of "having a conversation" is key; treat people like human beings. You're right, it doesn't mean we can't dislike something that a loved one does that is against God. We're all human, and who among us is without sin? I can imagine someone condemning homosexuality, and then watching porn. "Hate the sin, love the sinner." "Every saint has a past; every sinner has a future."
Loving God first is crucial and there is no argument. However it is very important how one presents this cause one might unintentionally turn one away from God. This is why the conversation is so important and I can't stress that enough. God Bless.
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I enjoy Kim videos a lot. I wish we could see her more often! (And I know we already see her a lot 😅)
My Grandmother is Catholic and she attended my same-sex wedding with nothing but love and acceptance. As did other family members and friends who are Christian. The the only way to love your friends and family is to love them for who they are and rejoice in their happiness.
You don't get to decide what and how to love. That's up to God. If God says no, then no. Same sex weddings are in contempt of God and love of self. To get to heaven one must have contempt of self and love for God.
@@pastorbri he also never mentioned that downloading illegal copies of movies is condemned. But that is obviously stealing. Same sex unions violate the commandment "thou shalt not committ adultery". There ya go buddy boyo
I think your attendance at a same sex marriage is tacit approval. Does anybody attend a wedding that does not approve of that marriage? It’s tough love not to attend.
All Catholics struggle with sins, whatever the sin is, it takes us away from salvation. It is Catholic teaching that those who knowingly violate God's teaching is guilty of a greater sin than those who unknowingly sin. People who are outside the Church and unaware of the Church's teachings will be justified by God alone; so if they reject the Church, we do not need to condemn them because they have condemned themselves, because if they want to welcome Christ into their hearts they will convert and denounce their sinful actions. I think attending their ceremonies do not imply that you endorse them, if in your conscience you know it is wrong, and in your actions you do not give approval, because it is outside the Church. As a Catholic I have been inside other religious buildings, or present at some 'pagan' festivals, but I did not partake, believe, or agree with their beliefs. It is a different story if the Church decides that the ceremony can be celebrated in the Church, under the Church's authority, then you must not attend and protest against it. "𝐼𝑓 𝑎𝑛 𝑢𝑛𝑏𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑖𝑛𝑣𝑖𝑡𝑒𝑠 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑡𝑜 𝑎 𝑚𝑒𝑎𝑙 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑝𝑜𝑠𝑒𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑔𝑜, 𝑒𝑎𝑡 𝑤ℎ𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑖𝑠 𝑠𝑒𝑡 𝑏𝑒𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑒 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑢𝑡 𝑟𝑎𝑖𝑠𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎𝑛𝑦 𝑞𝑢𝑒𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑜𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑔𝑟𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑑 𝑜𝑓 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑠𝑐𝑖𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑒. 𝐵𝑢𝑡 𝑖𝑓 𝑠𝑜𝑚𝑒𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑦𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑦𝑜𝑢, “𝑇ℎ𝑖𝑠 ℎ𝑎𝑠 𝑏𝑒𝑒𝑛 𝑜𝑓𝑓𝑒𝑟𝑒𝑑 𝑖𝑛 𝑠𝑎𝑐𝑟𝑖𝑓𝑖𝑐𝑒,” 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑛 𝑑𝑜 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑒𝑎𝑡 𝑖𝑡, 𝑜𝑢𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑠𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑟𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑖𝑛𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑚𝑒𝑑 𝑦𝑜𝑢, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑘𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑠𝑐𝑖𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑒- 𝐼 𝑚𝑒𝑎𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑜𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟’𝑠 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑠𝑐𝑖𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑒, 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑦𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝑜𝑤𝑛. 𝐹𝑜𝑟 𝑤ℎ𝑦 𝑠ℎ𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑚𝑦 𝑙𝑖𝑏𝑒𝑟𝑡𝑦 𝑏𝑒 𝑠𝑢𝑏𝑗𝑒𝑐𝑡 𝑡𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑗𝑢𝑑𝑔𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝑠𝑜𝑚𝑒𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑒𝑙𝑠𝑒’𝑠 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑠𝑐𝑖𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑒? 𝐼𝑓 𝐼 𝑝𝑎𝑟𝑡𝑎𝑘𝑒 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑛𝑘𝑓𝑢𝑙𝑛𝑒𝑠𝑠, 𝑤ℎ𝑦 𝑠ℎ𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝐼 𝑏𝑒 𝑑𝑒𝑛𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑐𝑒𝑑 𝑏𝑒𝑐𝑎𝑢𝑠𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑐ℎ 𝐼 𝑔𝑖𝑣𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑛𝑘𝑠? 𝑆𝑜, 𝑤ℎ𝑒𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑒𝑎𝑡 𝑜𝑟 𝑑𝑟𝑖𝑛𝑘, 𝑜𝑟 𝑤ℎ𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑑𝑜, 𝑑𝑜 𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑦𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑔𝑙𝑜𝑟𝑦 𝑜𝑓 𝐺𝑜𝑑. 𝐺𝑖𝑣𝑒 𝑛𝑜 𝑜𝑓𝑓𝑒𝑛𝑠𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝐽𝑒𝑤𝑠 𝑜𝑟 𝑡𝑜 𝐺𝑟𝑒𝑒𝑘𝑠 𝑜𝑟 𝑡𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑐ℎ𝑢𝑟𝑐ℎ 𝑜𝑓 𝐺𝑜𝑑, 𝑗𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑎𝑠 𝐼 𝑡𝑟𝑦 𝑡𝑜 𝑝𝑙𝑒𝑎𝑠𝑒 𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑦𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑖𝑛 𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑦𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝐼 𝑑𝑜, 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑠𝑒𝑒𝑘𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑚𝑦 𝑜𝑤𝑛 𝑎𝑑𝑣𝑎𝑛𝑡𝑎𝑔𝑒, 𝑏𝑢𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝑚𝑎𝑛𝑦, 𝑠𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑚𝑎𝑦 𝑏𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑣𝑒𝑑." - 1 Corinthians 10 : 27-33 -
Would love to see a similar video about secular weddings. Many of us don't understand the true nuances of what the church teaches and how we enter into this. Particularly the navigation of friends who are non Christians vs. Protestants vs. Catholics who have fallen away.
Thank you for addressing this difficult topic. Kim, your genuine care for sisters and brothers in Christ is so apparent, and I truly appreciate both of you ladies being wonderful examples of women serving God. Bless you both!
The problem in this world today is that everyone wants to try to be lenient and accepting of other people's actions. It's the prevailing moral relativism in our society today. There has to be a point where we as Christians need to take a a stand and say, "No, I don't approve or condone this action because it is against my beliefs. " This cultural fear of not wanting to hurt other people's feelings and trying to just get along and not create ripples in the pond is just a denial to the call our Lord and Savior has brought upon us. As our Lord Jesus states, narrow is the road that leads to heaven.
I'm gay...and was raised Catholic...went thru 7+ years of counseling and 5 priests....only to feel more alone and abandoned. God gave me no choice to be gay and put me in an impossible place. I really dont care about marriage or a "ceremony ",...if it stayed btwn a man and women for the sake of children, that's fine and I get that. All I know is I think I've finally found someone to love, and for once I'm not alone...and if the Catholic or Christian community cant accept that, then I guess I never belonged there in the first place.
I’m a practicing Catholic and I disagree with this video. I feel as though God is love and love is love. It breaks my heart that the church that is built to help you grow close to the lord, did the opposite. I understand you and I hear you. Please know that our church is man made and what you feel in your heart is what’s real. As long as you have a relationship with Jesus and do for others, don’t let the rest bother you. Jesus lives you for you. Our church will evolve ..
You’re never alone. Jesus is always with you, and although it’s hard to understand, Jesus is enough. Having a robust prayer life will never lead to loneliness. Trust in the Lord and He will always make the right path known.
I know how that feels. And considering how many Catholic people (like in this video) are condemning something that one can't control and neither it hurts anyone, I'm not surprised by the number of people leaving the Church. It's almost like they want that🤔
I am also gay, and I was raised as Catholic and studied in a Catholic school. I still do pray. There are some teachings of the Catholic and Christian about homosexuality that are really misguided. Be true to who you are. Being gay is not linked to being sexually promiscous. We know some hetero's who struggle with that. If the Catholic & Christian views us this way still, then fine. All I know is that my heart knows the truth. And the truth is that I am gay and I love truly, and I want a meaningful relationship that is healthy for my emotional, mental, and spiritual.
Thank you so much for posting this! I was put in this situation years ago. I was so torn. I tried to convey love and support to my friend, unfortunately to no avail. We are no longer friends along with others. I am glad in a way that I was given this decision. Those people that are no longer my friends are people who claim to be accepting of everyone and yet, cannot accept me and my beliefs. I pray for them.
Nick Gagnon True love cares for the eternal soul. To really be caring is to point anyone to the Truth. If you know the Truth, then you are obligated to point out and correct others. Otherwise that sin you see will be blamed on you come your judgement.(Ezekiel 33:8). To believe or not to believe will not change Truth. Truth will remain.
This is where it gets tricky for me. I'm Catholic, as are you all, so is it bad to go to a non-catholic wedding? Because it's not a sacramental marriage. In fact, sometimes it's not even a Christian marriage. Would it still be okay to go to that ceremony? Because they're heterosexual.
If they aren’t Catholic, marriage is still valid for them, even if they aren’t married in the Catholic church. So there is no problem to atted that wedding ceremony. Although if they are Catholic or at least one of them is, then the marriage isn’t valid in front of God. That’s the answer I got from priests. I hope it´s clear for you now! :)
The Catholic Church opposes same-sex marriage for more reasons than just scriptural ones. The Church opposes same-sex marriage because she understands that marriage between one man and one woman is one of the hallmarks of a functioning society that needs to be respected and safeguarded regardless of whether or not somebody is a Christian. I got into a huge argument with a former roommate of mine when he asked me if I would go to my son’s same-sex wedding (if I were a parent). It’s definitely something that bangs at a lot of nerves for people.
My mom had a friend who was Catholic but was unsure as to whether to attend a same-sex wedding. She asked the priest in her parish if it was ok and he told her "well, you don't want to cause resentment or hurt anyone's feelings so it would not be a problem to attend." 😑😑😑 She attended and she said she felt a pit in her stomach the whole time because it just didn't feel right at all. She told my mom about this and my mom told her that that priest was absolutely wrong for giving such misleading advice and then explained to her why. I'm glad you guys gave the correct approach to this topic. God bless you!
I thank God that I have never been in that position, especially these days when the general public are so quick to jump to rash judgement rather than respecting someone's religious beliefs, which to them are more important than ANYTHING.
@@munginosal2135 Food, water and shelter are basic human rights. Marriage in a church comes down to what God (the creator of the church) wanted. You wouldn't walk into an Indian restaurant and demand they serve you Chinese food would you?
@@jmurray01 I agree with what you’re saying, and it is mung inosal who missed the initial point, however what I believe mung inosal meant to convey the torture and persecution of homosexuals in countries like Iran and Sudan.
I would say to go. Here's why. God calls us to love one another as we love Him. He presents us with challenges to face and we need to be there for each other. It doesn't mean you have to be 100% supportive of their decision, but you know how someone says, "love the sinner, not the sin?" I think of this situation as saying, "I'll risk my entire relationship with the sinner because of this sin." We live in a time where society views these things as gray area, sometimes even the black to Catholicism's white. It doesn't mean you have to ruin the wedding or embrace everything about the wedding. Just be there to witness. If they ask you how you feel, be honest but respectful. I would feel guilty to avoid supporting a loved one just because they've made a decision I thought was wrong. If anything, that's when they'll need you more. Imagine if God just abandoned us after choosing another human over Him at one point. He wouldn't, especially if we ask for His mercy. In the end, I do believe choosing Him is right, but isn't He present in others too? I don't know if this is absolutely right or wrong. Only God knows. But refusing someone completely because of who they are as a human only seems stubborn to me. That's how my mentality would be in this situation... If you practice Catholicism and know in your heart that you are loyal to Him, God would be inside of you during the same-sex wedding. What do you all think? I have to say, in the end, I would go. I think of not going as parallel with avoiding protestant services because you don't believe it's the truth. Obviously I wouldn't believe it's the truth, but Knowledge and Understanding are virtues and gifts of the Holy Spirit. More experience with other children of God, even if they aren't Catholics, will allow the world to live more peacefully and harmoniously. And I think that will do more good for God than not going. Think about it from their understanding. If Catholics shut you out for not being present, do you really think that's going to help them understand our faith? Not trying to start any arguments, but I am interested to hear your thoughts if you disagree. By all means, I welcome a peaceful discussion.
I agree with everything you say. I also just want to add that the worst thing we can be as Catholics is judgemental of others. This applies if I were going to a wedding with a couple that was having premarital sex. Many people can fall under this but that doesn't mean people won't go to the wedding. I think in a similar way we shouldn't judge others on their choices to be married or not
Jesus was found among the sinners. We are commanded to love and not judge. And by our light the world will know Jesus. Judging, belittling, condemning and disrespecting people of different beliefs is not our place. Did Jesus send away the Samaritan? No.
Amy Cruz I attended that wedding.... it was my brother. I regret having attended, it’s nothing to “celebrate.” I wrote him later and encouraged him to get an annulment and marry in the church. He has not.
@@clairenicholls it doesn't matter if your catholic or.protestant if your either your Christian sorry but no other religion outside of catholicism and.or.being protestant had a relationship.with God sorry but it is fact i will 5 examples Unitarian deny Trinity Mormons deny JESUS IS God Plus practice idtolatary JEV WITNESS DENY HOLY SPSITY scientology is not protestant it is a cult And Jewish dont know Jesus thus don't have Holy Spirit Sorry but these religions cant know love....because God is love how can they know God unless they change Protestant s and roman Catholics share same.baptism...where as other religions dont..
@@ryand391 not all Protestants recognize the same Baptism as the Catholic Church. But for sure we need to love each other although the disagreement, we can't hate.
I definitely would not. In fact, I wouldn’t even attend the wedding of someone who I felt was getting unjustly remarried, despite how I felt about them. If you attend an unbiblical wedding, you are affirming that ceremony.
Joseph Logsdon in my case it’s a family member so I’m sure God will forgive me just as he will them. If these people are good to you and have been there for you you’re wrong to not show up in my opinion
You sound like a horrible person. You say you love them, but in reality, you just love hurting them. I hope they find better people to be around than you.
My daughter asked me if I could attend her ssw and I said I didn’t know. We’ve been estranged almost a year. I love her and miss her but she’s told me unless I change my beliefs she wants nothing to do with me. I’m searching for something that says I’m wrong but I’ve not found it. I’d love to be wrong because I love my daughter so much but I also know that true love doesn’t flinch in the face of uncomfortable things. True love gave His life for all sin. I can not in good conscience celebrate that or any other sin. I’m so torn. I could have my daughter back if I would just say yes. (ps: this was a hypothetical wedding)
Hi, I think you're doing the right thing by standing up for what you believe. Read also what your daughter says "Unless you change your beliefs, I want nothing to do with you". Is this love? She's the one telling you that you need to be different for her to love you, not the other way round. Stay strong and keep praying! The Lord will bring her back to you
@@nickgagnon3626 When you go to a wedding you are celebrating and accepting that union. Going to an SSW would be you affirming, and celebrating a sinful lifestyle. The Bible is very clear on homosexuality, it is not to be taken lightly.
Thank you for acknowledging the difficulty and the need for love and sensitivity. I appreciate your emphasis to do and speak “ for Christ; not to be Right, but for Christ”.
Do you really think that a conversation could change somebody's decision about a same-sex wedding? I don't think any words could change anything here. If we want to represent Christ, we know what's the right thing to do here (not participating). Not participating might be a sign to a person that we're not ok with somebody's choice. It doesn't mean that we despise a person or something. It's about expressing love and not supporting something that is not love (according to the Gospel).
I don’t think the goal is necessarily to change someone’s mind on the spot, but to respect them enough to explain why you won’t be attending. It probably wouldn’t stop the wedding, but it’s an opportunity to emphasize how much you love them instead of just ghosting them.
If two people love each other what is not to support? It comes down that people feel same sex love is either not real love. But truly, if you were gay, you would feel the love and know it to be true. There would be no question of its holiness.
The interesting thing about the doctrine of the Church as a Catholic the answer is already there. Whether we attended a Parochial school or RCIA as adults were learn the Catechism. In fact I would recommend any Catholic to get themselves a copy or go to either the USCCB or Vatican Catechism online to look up something which you might not know and I can guarantee the answer is there. For instance chastity and homosexuality is addressed CCC 2357-2359 and whether or not same sex marriage is recognized by the Church CCC 1603-1605 and the definition of sin CCC 1849-1851 and how we cooperate in sin 1868-1869. Basically if you attend a same sex wedding you would be approving of the same sex marriage as marriage is a celebration when the truth of the matter according to God marriage is exclusively only between a man and woman as mentioned in the Catechism.
I felt dirty watching this. Like the mere act of my watching was an endorsement of judging others, deciding my way is superior to theirs, and ultimately- unkindness. Are my beliefs and the couple marrying supposed to align as same? Do we not all attend weddings all the time of couples different than us? A Jewish couple or Hindu or Mormon or Jehovah's Witness or agnostic/atheist couple... do we decline the invite because it's a black couple jumping the broom? Or because the couple are meat-eating carnivores, or because someone is an addict? An unrepentant ex-con? Or belonging to a different political party- or that supports a candidate or president we absolutely never could? Should we decline wedding invitations from couples who don't shop local? Or who kneel for the national anthem? Or don't buy union-only goods? Or that shops at Walmart? Or that doesn't recycle? Or- HERE'S a really good one! Should we/should we not RSVP in the affirmative for the wedding of a couple who has attended a same-sex wedding themselves? Sure it sounds ridiculous- even silly/petty at first- but is that not a fair question? Can we support someone who supports someone we've decided we can't or won't support ourselves? And if one's a sinner- aren't they both? I wonder if the Jewish guest concerns themselves w/ whether or not their Baptist friends marrying, eat pork? If any of these situations I've posed seems silly/petty? Then this whole question just might be silly/petty also. When we die God will not ask us about the 2 fellas across the street who married... or the girl at work who had an abortion... or the man in the next-door apartment who now calls themself a woman. But God WILL ask us if we loved these people like He calls us to do. And SOME OF US HAVEN'T.
Thank you so much for this ladies. You definitely handled this really gently and still honestly. I'm personally convicted for not handling others well in relation to difficult conversations. Thank you so much for this example and insight.
World would be a so much better place if you spend %10 of the energy you spent for discriminaton, to fight for the climate change, woman empowetement, animal rights and etc. God wants you to love any creature cuz everything belongs to God and comes from God. Believe me, God doesn’t care if you attend a wedding or not, God cares about how much love you spread, how much you help.
I do have friends and family member in the same situation, If I get invited I would say "I care for you and I love you but I love my God the most and everyday I try to keep and strengthen my faith and I pray that you won't mind this decision "
What if you are invited to a non-Catholic wedding (ex. Muslim, Sikh, Jewish, Buddhist, etc wedding)? Am I called at that time to illuminate the Gospel to the couple despite the fact that I know and respect that they follow a different faith? Not attending their wedding will only hurt everyone all around especially when you're good friends. I have also attended my childhood friend's civil wedding. She is an atheist (maybe agnostic, since she allows me to pray for her.) I love her dearly, and would want her to go to heaven, however, she does not agree with the teachings of the Catholic church. Whenever I bring up my (the church's) point of view on certain subjects like: abortion, same-sex marriage, and euthanasia, we are able to have have a civil discussion, however, she still thinks that the church's stance is wrong. I feel that I have done all I can to share the Gospel with her. She does agree with the church's teachings on forgiveness and mercy, but not when it comes to abortion, same-sex marriage, and euthanasia. She feels that by deciding what is morally right and wrong, or by not accepting our brothers and sisters' choices/sexual preferences, we are not loving them. I remain her friend because we grew up together, however, aside from praying for her and her husband, I do not know what else I can do. Is there something more I can do? I would be really sad if she and her husband weren't in heaven. They are good people. It's just, I don't think they've encountered Jesus in a transformative way, yet. I've used dialogue techniques I learned from Stephanie Grey and other apologists. I do not "force the Gospel" on other people, I instead build relationships with people while telling them what I think when the question comes up or when they ask me what I think about it. I have also met women who have had abortions and men whose partners have had an abortion. And, their pain is so real that it's almost palpable. I just think that encountering people where they are is so much more difficult than saying yes or no based on the Gospel. I've learned that when emotions are involved, reason will not reach a person, no matter how much I tell them the truth.
@@carolannnoble3981 I apologize. You are absolutely correct that Protestants are Christians! I did not mean to imply otherwise (I have edited my post to reflect this.) By my statement about different religion/faith, my focus was more on the Muslim and Sikh, Judaism, Buddhism, etc. Most of my school friends growing up were not Catholic or Christian. I have also been told by my few friends/classmates from other Christian denominations that I would go to hell for being a Catholic, and to be saved I would need to be baptized/born again in their church. When I politely told them that I've already been baptized in the name of God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and, that I, too, believe that Jesus Christ is my savior and Lord, they still insist that I am not Christian, I am Catholic. So, please forgive me for pointing out that there is a difference between being Catholic and other Christian denominations. Catholic weddings are always done in front of the alter in a church (at least they are supposed to be), however, I have been to protestant weddings at different locations: beach, park, public gardens, halls, etc. So, I wanted to know if I'm not supposed to go to these weddings as well, since they are not the same as a Catholic wedding.
I agree with your first question: it would be weird if you could not attend the wedding of a person with a different faith. You’re there to be a friend, not for their religion. But to the rest of your post and especially the last sentence, has it ever occured to you that your friend isn’t ”lost” and that it’s not that she’s not listening to ”reason” when you tell her your ”truth”. Maybe she has a good understanding of catholicism and has chosen to reject it because it’s not reasonable to her. Studies have shown that atheists know more about religion than many religious people do.
@Mike Cranston And who sets the rules here God or man? Does a good parent cater to their child's every desire? No, they follow the path of goodness and what is right in God's eyes, not each other's.
Matt Pietsch if you believe Leviticus, wear only one type of fabric, don’t eat pork or shellfish, and send your wife outside of your neighborhood on her period. Also, it is expected that you wash your hands before walking into church and don’t forget to NEVER mix meat and cheese together. SMH
So how does that work after they get married? How do you still have a relationship with them considering that they are now living together and doing things as a married couple?
You celebrate the person and not their actions. The same way you may continue your relationship with someone that got married for a third time or with a couple who decided to have in vitro. You will still love those children but you don't have to celebrate the way the children were conceived.
@@IAmJeka is invitro a sin? That's the first time I hear that, really interesting. I Have to look deeper into that now. I used to work at a fertility clinic.
So apparently the church views assisted methods of reproduction to be okay like treatments that help you achieve childbirth through sex, just not IVF because it " replaces sex with technology." Aha... I had no clue! 👍🏽
@@GardenMinistry. The reason why the Church considers it so is because you're entrusting it to a scientist and their ways of creation and not the way God made it, which is procreation. That's why I think we do anyway.
I love these videos. Kim Zember you are awesome. I love all the Ascension presentations; Fr Mike, Jackie and Bobby, Fr. Mark Mary. Y'all are helping me so much. My daughter kinda came out as a bisexual, and a very dear friend of mine married a woman; I couldn't even bring myself to tell her how I felt and I went MIA from her life. I have been feeling so down about the whole thing. Watching y'all talking about this, gives me hope and courage. Gos bless y'all.
Please do! My most religious relatives have distanced themselves permanently from me and my spouse. If there is one way to convince someone that you do not have the Spirit of God, just exclude and stop loving them. Better to out-love them and qualify the love with expressions of truth than you reject them, actively or passively.
Too many people are religious but don't have a real relationship with the Holy Trinity. Judging others is not the way. Love them, accept them and pray for them. And attend their wedding! 99.9% of people live in sin, we don't need to point it out. Why is this world so evil?
My sister has a sister-in-law who is gay (we’ll call her Ashley). When I’ve talked about the same subject with her, she’s told me that they would go to a gay wedding if she got married. When I asked more about it, they explained to me that they, as Catholics, could never agree or support same sex marriage. And Ashley is fully aware that they disagree with her lifestyle choices. However, going to the wedding to them isn’t an act of support of their union. Rather their attendance means that they love both Ashley and whoever her partner is, and they want them to know that even if they don’t support the union between them, ultimately my sister and her husband just want them to be happy, and want them to know they are loved no matter what. Especially by God. Do you think this approach is appropriate? Or do you think it’s like trying to sugarcoat a bitter pill?
Christians should go to same sex weddings if asked, if its a catholic thing that makes u homophobic, its time to find a new faith. Homophobia is a terrible lifestyle choice so don't do it!
Thank you for this much needed advice. It's been a question I've asked both Fr. Mike and Fr. Mark Mary and feel very grateful that you were able to answer. God Bless you and all at Ascension Presents.
I think it’s important to have the conversation and be honest no matter what your decision is. If I were getting married, I would want to know if someone I invited to my wedding wasn’t fully supportive of it, for whatever reason.
I don't know for sure but I'm pretty sure you can. It doesn't have to be Catholic to be a marriage, otherwise there wouldn't have been marriage until Jesus came, and everyone would be commiting the sin of unmarried sex.
If you get invited to a wedding of somone whom you care about then go and wish them a happy marriage, it does NOT matter if it’s same sex or not! Go support the person! This video is BS
Maybe if your religious beliefs compel you to refuse being in attendance at the most important event in a loved one's life, you and your beliefs are the problem, not them
I appreciate, Kim, what you said about your Mom and your relationship as the both of you chartered those waters. My struggle with my daughter's choices are not homosexuality, but of other beliefs that are being twisted by the world view. I appreciate what you shared because it gives me hope and a renewed sence of peace that God will get us through this.
I understand what you say,life here in Ireland has become so secular in such a short time, every part of our society are giving anti catholic/ faith/ God messages. My kids are being bombarded with it. I am so grateful to God that I found this site and listening to these wonderful people and Fr Mike had strengthened my faith and given me the answers I need when different questions arise. God go with you.
My daughter is in a same sex relationship and I have always been open to it as I love her, however I have just turned back to God after being away for too long Now I don’t know what to do about this, she is not open to talking about it with me. Please pray for us and God bless you for your own strength in this Kim.
I would appreciate any gentle explanation for my question, please. I don't really understand why we can attend heterosexual weddings that are outside of the church but not homosexual ones. Because isn't, in the eyes of the Church, a wedding supposed to be in the church to bond the couple together under Christ? Why can a heterosexual "marriage" (through the state) be celebrated then? I don't really understand
Absolutely agree Eleanor. Surely if you are going to base the decision on the 'sanctity of marriage' surely this must be applied to heterosexual secular couples too. Or to even extend it further, all people who do not understand marriage as Catholics too e.g. protestants.
Actually you do understand. Any wedding that takes place without acknowledging the union before God should not be attended or supported. Marriage does not exist outside of God. In Christ, Andrew
@@clairenicholls that is what I thought. At least, from what I see, catholic people still attend secular, heterosexual weddings as much as Catholic weddings. So I didn't really understand why it seemed "okay" to attend if it really isn't supported.
@@Ezekiel336-16 that is what I thought. With that being said, any marriage outside of the church isn't really a marriage, so why can't a person attend a secular (heterosexual or homosexual) "wedding" and just recognize it as an illegitimate wedding.
A lot of signage going up in people's front yards with the words "Love is love" with the implication that same-sex marriage and/or cohabitation = Biblical/Christian marriage. And I'm sure some even think this signage means things currently illegal are ok. So here again, nothing has changed since biblical times but we need these encouraging messages from Ascension Presents. God is love.
This video is dripping in homophobia. Before anyone tells me that 'you didn't need to watch it if you felt differently' I understand that. I watched this video because I wanted to try and open my heart to someone who felt this way towards the LGBTQ+ community, becuase I was trying to be tolerant and understanding, which I believe are core values of the Catholic and Christian lifestyle. One thing that stood out to me was that these two women automaticlly assumed that this same-sex couple was having pre-martial sex and living together. What if they weren't? Also, in the description box, how dare you say people were "suffering for same-sex attraction" It is not a illness, in any way shape or form. It is love. The Church stands for love, Jesus loved, God loves all his children, so how dare you say something a person never ever choose is an illness. This video is despicable and disgusting. I hope these two women learn to love and not judge and hate. A disgrace againest God.
My relationship with my sister has been strained and basically ruined because I didn’t attend her same-sex wedding. I tried to explain to her my position as a practicing Catholic in a loving way and texted her well wishes on her special day however she has resented me ever since. I have not seen her in almost 3 years and she even was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer last summer and didn’t want me to “step up to the plate” then because I didn’t even attend her wedding. I wish it was as easy as having a loving conversation but when someone identifies as gay, it is their entire identity. In their eyes, you cannot separate their actions from who they are as a person. All they will see is “red” if you try and explain your position and that is what happened to me. I pray that her heart will be softened one day but I also fear that I won’t get the chance to make amends at least on this side of heaven. 🙏
then you have urself to blame and ur homophobia......lets hope others can see the danger of homophobia in your story. Homophobia is a wicked sin. I pray your heart will be softened.
This makes me so so sad. A consequence of our strict adherence to societal roles, and thus we end up breaking relationships. I just… wow This is why I’m not a Christian anymore
I believe this answered my question at 3:00, quote, "I asked the Lord to help me to not ever support anything that He does not support." Yes was thinking about this - my question is should I attend a marriage of a woman to a divorced man? She has never been married, he was divorced by his wife. He did not want to divorce. They have four children. They are protestant so I don't believe they have gone through a process of annulment or if they would qualify for it even if they were Catholic. Note: annulments have certain criteria to be met before they are granted..
There is nothing worse than a busybody. People who boycott weddings & funerals usually have the biggest beam in their own eyes. If you can’t attend your child’s wedding, then go join a cloistered order somewhere.
People today have lost all knowledge of why God made marriage in the first place. Marriage isn't for Lust, the main purpose for marriage is for establishing a family, or procreation. Because the world is run by Satan today, everything God has ordained is now called bad, and all that God has condemned is now called good. "Woe to you that , : that put darkness for light, and light for darkness: that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter." [Isaias (Isaiah) 5:20]
I'm glad you evantually came to the point, that it's not only about same-sex "wedding", but also other things. I'd also mention ceremonies of your friends that break their marriage promise, leave their husband/wife to "marry" a new person. But as you say, I think, it's not enough to just boycott a ceremony, you also have to stay in contact, offer discussion and assure these people you're not leaving and hating them, you just disagree with this decision and don't promote it.
In a loving way, I would say no and be honest about why but if they love you back then they should probably know you by now and be understanding in return. Like you said it may cause a little strife because people want to be accepted, but in the end it’ll only grow into respect.
When I saw the title I feared you guys would say it's ok to attend. I know the Church was clear before Vatican II on this subject. Thank you. Yes one's soul is way more important than their perceived happiness during this short earthly life. ❤🙏 God-bless you both.
_(for anyone who disagrees with this video…)_ “Loving someone does not mean loving everything they do.” “When we love Jesus first we love each other right.” Such great words. Truly loving someone means wanting the best for their soul. If you wouldn’t tell your friend when he’s doing something wrong, are you really his friend? Do you really love him? Yes, Jesus loved everyone, even the sinners, yet he confronted and corrected them (if you’re wondering when He does this, it’s all over the Gospels). Also, as Catholics, we know that God instituted marriage between man and woman, and not man & man or woman & woman (read Article 7 of the _Catechism of the Catholic Church_ ). What they’re saying in this video is not just “what some old Bishop tells you” or what “men wearing white robes living in Castles” would tell you (quotes are from other comments here). It’s the truth, this is the teaching of the Church. Read Pope St. John Paul II’s _Love & Responsibility_ and read up on his _Theology of the Body_ and you will not only see that marriage is between man and woman but why it must be so.
My hot take: I'm catholic. And I am 100% okay with gay marriage. I would not second guess attending a wedding of people I care about or love if that wedding was between two men or two women.
Maybe under the letter of the law (civilly) you can argue but you cannot argue sacramentally. It’s an anti-sacrament, it is intrinsically disordered. In order for marriage to be completed a consummated act has be done and it cannot be done in an ordered way.
The answer of course is "no." However, are we really obliged to tell why we aren't going in great detail? Of course if we are pushed then they asked for it. Otherwise just a simple "I will not be attending" on the rsvp.
@Ashley Slack If they are your friends or family why would you not attend, yes you can pray for them but everyone must find their way to God, that's just my opinion because the Lord knows I'm a sinner that's why I ain't judging as I'm not equipped to do so.
@Ashley Slack good luck You keep missing the point though. Yes you can and should make the judgment that behavior is sinful, Ashley with all due respect I think it is yourselves that are missing the point. God made it clear "do not judge or you will be judged by the same standard 7 fold" He could not have been any clearer, but if you are not a sinner then you go ahead and judge.
We are talking about a lifstyle here chosen by 2 adults so I think it is between them and God and none of my business because it does not affect me, they are doing no harm to anyone but perhaps their own souls.
“Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s foes will be those of his own household. He who loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he who loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and he who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for my sake will find it." (Luke 10:34-39) Those are hard words to put into practice. Thank you, Kim and Jackie.
Sorry, Matthew 10:34-39
Lol...I knew what you meant
If you read v32 and 33 you will see that Jesus wasn't talking about behaviour at all but about faith in Him.
@@mikewilliams235 When I hear Jesus say, "If you love me, you will keep my commandments" (John 14:15) and "You are my friends if you do what I command you" (John 15:14) and "If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commandments and abide in his love" (John 15:10), it speaks to a hard reality. According to Jesus, those who desire to have a relationship with Him (i.e., those who believe in Him and want to love Him) MUST follow His teachings and the more thorough teachings on faith and morals of His Church. Faith in Him (and love for Him) comes with behavioral conditions. According to Jesus, you can't divorce the two. Fr. James Martin likes to argue that Jesus never spoke about homosexuality specifically, and that is true. However, St. Paul did and God the Father has in his Dialogues with St. Catherine of Siena. There is a lot of moral teaching in the Catechism that Jesus never addressed directly. That's why He left us a Church -- a teaching authority, guided by the Holy Spirit, to clarify God's teachings on faith and morals. "Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." (Matthew 7:21). Anyone who would say "Lord" to Jesus has faith in Him.
Lee Moraglio Great point and I love the scripture quotes you put up. Fr James Martin may need to revisit the Old Testament and read about Sodom and Gomorrah.
"When you love Jesus first, you can love each other right."
"Loving someone doesn't mean love everything they do". That's right.
That's a pretty big part of someone not to like
@@heavyrain5949
Didn't say "like", but "love".
To love is to will the good of the other, and wanting the best for their soul. It's not meant to be easy.
@@Multipurpose_Bagel
Semantics
@@heavyrain5949
Semantics? Not at all, friend.
Again, to love someone - to truly love them - is to will the good of them. This love can be expressed in many ways, but, it's not synonymous with liking or disliking them, or, an aspect of their life.
@@Multipurpose_Bagel
Oh but it is buddy ;)
"When we love Jesus first, we can love others right." Couldn't agree more with those powerful words! Thank you for sharing. You guys rock! God bless you both!
which shows us homophobics can not really be christian.
Thank-you for sharing this. I've had to have the conversation Kim's mom had with her, with a dearly beloved one (with as much love and gentleness and truth as I could, after much prayer), and thankfully it went better than I might've imagined.... But it was still so hard. And this loved one isn't yet a practicing Christian. So it was a balm for my heart to hear at least one person (Kim) saying that I made the right choice by choosing to have that hard conversation -- and more importantly than any question of my 'rightness', it's a balm for my heart to see Kim living in union with the Lord now, and knowing that she's in a good place. This gives me hope for my friend: a visual image that it's possible.
And thank you both for talking about the seriousness with which we have to approach interactions between male-female people, too. We're not loving anyone if we're being hypocritical. Jesus is the way, for *all* of us.
So you told someone it was wrong for them to be who they are because of a book of fiction you’ve invested so much in? Wow, judgmental and self righteous much? 🤦🏼♂️
Being someone who married another Catholic but outside the church and without all the preparation (and now on the brink of divorce - not my choice) I WISH someone would have confronted me about doing it God’s way and with the guidance of the Church. God’s way is always the best way.
You can always heal your marriage it’s never too late.
Sick Politics thank you so much for that encouragement. My husband said he wants out before getting it blessed so he can have an “out” - meaning annulment. We’ve been married 10 years and raised a Catholic family. Unfortunately, I believe he’s lost in the devils lies right now. Please pray for our family.
Seasonal Living I will pray for your family. Pray for him every day; even though you think your prayers aren’t answered. Let God heal your heart ❤️ and your family. There is a priest who says “don’t worry if you did everything right. Sometimes there are some people who have a stone heart and don’t let God get into them; pray for them. Their souls need your prayers.” He has helped to restore marriages who had been divorced for years. And also he has helped divorced people to heal when their partner does not want to change. He says: we can always forgive a repentant soul, but sometimes there are people who doesn’t want to be forgiven. Still you have to forgive them, find a priest or and spiritual director to analyze your own case since each marriage is different and particular. Let them help you to see if there’s something that could be done. Blessings 😉 (my marriage was restored and I can say it came stronger than ever because it was heal in Christ, my husband was an atheist; and I wasn’t catholic and thanks to our conversion we are building a true marriage with God in the center of our lives).
Martha de la Cruz that’s an incredible testimony! Thank you so very much for your thoughtful advice. I will definitely consider it. ❤️
Maddox Ford that’s why it is important to go to a priest or an spiritual advisor. I know a priest who has help women to annulled their marriage. Now, in case the marriage it’s not annulled, but she remarried she still can attend mass any time, and join to catholic groups etc. Divorce people need our love and support, the only thing they cannot do it to receive the Eucharist but not because a priest does not want to but for some biblical reason. But she can always pray the spiritual Eucharist prayer. There is a priest who works a lot with divorce people unfortunately he only speaks Spanish. I’ve tried to find his videos translated into English but I haven’t succeeded. I invite you to come back home and forgive us in case we haven’t been good brothers or sisters.
I’d also say this applies to a heterosexual couple that are marrying haphazardly or maybe half-heartedly. Would you all agree?
I think the bottom line for the Catholic Church is that since no children can come from the same sex marriage, it can’t be a real marriage. I think most people would say well if that’s the way you feel then please don’t come to my ceremony or my reception after. It lets people know what you value and obviously you don’t value your friend or family member because you value God first. I don’t know where in the Bible it says that this is OK to treat people as not worthy because they are homosexual. If I go to a protestant same-sex wedding somehow that’s going to keep my friends out of Heaven? Love one another as I have Loved you. Isn’t that what it says Jesus said.? This reminds me that there is a big divide between the love of Jesus and the institution of the Catholic Church. Why are you a reckoning I shouldn’t even receive communion because of some of my attitudes or. The people I vote for. The world changes. Jesus was a man of his world
Marianne Havisham how? If you’re marrying someone unequally yoked...God doesn’t want that. That’s the one thing God asked when you’re considering marrying someone.
Why would I go to, let’s say my sister, my sister’s wedding if I know she’s marrying someone that will tear her down spiritually?
arranged marriages
Yes, I turned down a maid of honor job because the bride told me she planned on a divorce as soon as she had a baby.
@Marianne Havisham what is deeply offensive?
Someone loves you so much that they want to save your soul, not just put a momentarily smile on your face... that's the point! that's it!
Africa Rodriguez So you would rather them pretend to be something or someone they are not just to appease your views of right and wrong.
South West Londoner Brown boom! Exactly!
It’s funny how Christians are perfectly fine with lying in these cases.🤣😂
@@kyleblake4594 they are not christians, you can NOT be both christian and homophobic as the 2 lifestyles do not go together.
Pastor Brian, you can't serve two masters, that lifestyle doesn't go together!
That response for your Mother had full of Wisdom and Love... God bless her. Her message will inspire a lot of people
I encourage anyone going through these comments to just pause and say a quick prayer. For everyone. Those who wouldn’t go. Those who would go. Same sex couples. Heterosexual couples. We all need Jesus and each other’s prayers🥺 we need to have love, compassion and respect for one another, we must have that FIRST if we are to ever learn from one another and call our selves followers of Christ💖 May God bless you all!💕
I just get scared of losing my friends, I've lost so many already. It's so hard to have a conversation with people these days, it's scary. I wish that we can just all support each other but I do understand your point. I'm Catholic but many things are just confusing me and I just feel lost.
Father Mike Schmitz has great way of talking to the young and getting to the point in extraordinary way of explaining.
Remember how the Scripture talks about friends, that close real friends are a gift far over acquaintances. There are those who needs you love, then there are those who sharpens you (like iron sharpening iron) - your true friends.
Perfect love (for and with God) drives out all fear - you may and likely will still lose friends but if that's because of your faithfulness to and love for Jesus they are not your friends. True friends want the best for us and from us as well as for and from themselves, and that can never be achieved apart from Christ. Allow Him to help you clean your house inside and outside, and then be grateful for it, and He will bless you in ways that you can't imagine! God bless, Andrew
Hey fellow MG :) I can definitely relate to the loss of friendship. Lean into the bible, and lean into speakers that have had the opportunity to do deep dives - learn from them. It helps make it feel less overwhelming.
I’ve lost all my friends at first. However I’ve made some new ones from going to mass, participating in church functions, and becoming a Knight of Columbus. Friends will come and go, but a relationship with Jesus is eternal. Looking back now, I’d rather have the friends I’ve gained from my parish than the ones that kept me in my sinful ways. I don’t want to have to go to confession for something I did with my old “friends.” It’s like apologizing for have them. 🤷🏻♂️
In case of friendship, it's not only you have to show your support to your friend.
But, your friend have to support you too.
Both part have to listen
The one who loves you most is the person who is willing to risk all , to suffer to be honest with you and to hold to truth.
Marianne Havisham disagreeing with someone’s beliefs or actions does not equate to not loving that person. It is too easy to label someone homophobic because they believe differently than you. Ironically there is no derogatory name for people who disagree with people who believe in the traditional view of marriage.
Marianne Havisham it also is not bullying to not attend a ceremony you do not believe in. We had a friend that did not attend our wedding because we are Catholic and he is Baptist. That was not bullying either.
Marianne Havisham I can understand where you might draw that conclusion if you do not understand the Catholic Church’s teaching on sexuality and marriage. If you are open to trying to understand I recommend read John Paul 2 ‘s theology of the body or Edward Sri’s book Men, Women and the Mystery of Love. At the very least though you may disagree you might better understand our point of view.
Marianne Havisham That’s great! I don’t think you have to be Catholic. The ideas expressed will like I said at the least give understanding and express a love and respect of all people. Neither is terribly long. I found Dr. Sri’s the easiest read.
Short answer: No!
Long answer: No!!!!
I think we all knew what the answer to this one would be.
+1
No, there's a legitimate place for the longer answer here. Yes, the *bottom line* may still be 'no', but when human hearts are vulnerable, more words are sometimes necessary to take proper care of them.
short answer YES.
Long answer YEEEAAAHHHHHHHHHH!
@@batman-robin-soundtrack are u really a christian?????
I really appreciate that people like you guys who are on the other side of the issue care so much about taking the hatred out of disagreement. ☺ No matter what we believe, being loving, understanding, and respectful is the best thing we can do as people. Thanks for sharing you thoughts.
They're not taking out hatred, this is just hate with hugs. The message is still the same.
Thank you for sharing this topic. Mother Angelica, from EWTN, once answer pretty much the same as you did to a caller, because we love them not only this short life but to eternity we don't want their soul to be lost. God bless you Ladies.
thats how we should feel on homophobics
My homosexual sister was going to be married this year. We've really never talked about my beliefs. As far as I know, she thinks I'm still a bit socially liberal like I used to be, so she's assumed I would just go. The pandemic caused her to postpone the wedding, so thanks be to God I have more time to have this conversation. Ascension always comes in clutch with videos I need.
I went through this with my sister as well and had the talk. I did not go. And we still have a relationship. She still is “married” to a woman but I still pray for her. I hope your sister will come to Christ instead!
@@erint6540 That's very brave! I am trying to muster up the courage to have the talk myself.
Ben honestly it’s been an ongoing conversation so it wasn’t the first time we had talked about it. She really seemed to realize that not everyone shares her beliefs and she accepts that. It’s been a few years now since they got married.
@Ben you can do it
@Mike Cranston you're not Catholic, are you?
Thank you for this video! I was recently thinking about it. I find it sometimes scary to navigate my way through this secular world as a young catholic and this gave me hope.
I’ve lost all my friends at first. However I’ve made some new ones from going to mass, participating in church functions, and becoming a Knight of Columbus. Friends will come and go, but a relationship with Jesus is eternal. Looking back now, I’d rather have the friends I’ve gained from my parish than the ones that kept me in my sinful ways. I don’t want to have to go to confession for something I did with my old “friends.” It’s like apologizing for have them. 🤷🏻♂️
Knight of Columbus. Sounds interesting, what is it?
@@tomboyraider1015 Catholic charitable men's group.
This is SUPER hard, especially in today’s world that teaches people their sexuality IS their identity. I absolutely love your message of leading with LOVE, and the gently reminder that authentic love is SUPPOSED to be deliberate and difficult. Love for Jesus FIRST! 🙌Beautiful job, ladies!! 💜
No, nobody teaches you your sexuality is your identity (in fact, if it is, you're boring). They just teach you to accept yourself the way you were born, instead of forcing to to live a lie
sadly homophobics have bigotry as their identity which is worse.....
@claire98 living a life avoiding sin is not a lie
I think the idea of "having a conversation" is key; treat people like human beings. You're right, it doesn't mean we can't dislike something that a loved one does that is against God. We're all human, and who among us is without sin? I can imagine someone condemning homosexuality, and then watching porn.
"Hate the sin, love the sinner."
"Every saint has a past; every sinner has a future."
Loving God first is crucial and there is no argument. However it is very important how one presents this cause one might unintentionally turn one away from God. This is why the conversation is so important and I can't stress that enough. God Bless.
I enjoy Kim videos a lot. I wish we could see her more often! (And I know we already see her a lot 😅)
Jesus was criticised for spending time with outcasts, yet he still did it. I still don’t see what’s so wrong with attending a same-sex wedding
My Grandmother is Catholic and she attended my same-sex wedding with nothing but love and acceptance. As did other family members and friends who are Christian. The the only way to love your friends and family is to love them for who they are and rejoice in their happiness.
You don't get to decide what and how to love. That's up to God. If God says no, then no.
Same sex weddings are in contempt of God and love of self. To get to heaven one must have contempt of self and love for God.
Your Grandmother is a saint. God bless her.
@@claudius_drusus_ you must hate Jesus as he never mentioned nor condemned LGBT folk.
thank God for people like your gran!
@@pastorbri he also never mentioned that downloading illegal copies of movies is condemned. But that is obviously stealing. Same sex unions violate the commandment "thou shalt not committ adultery".
There ya go buddy boyo
I think your attendance at a same sex marriage is tacit approval. Does anybody attend a wedding that does not approve of that marriage? It’s tough love not to attend.
its also NOT love to not attend. Simple as.
All Catholics struggle with sins, whatever the sin is, it takes us away from salvation. It is Catholic teaching that those who knowingly violate God's teaching is guilty of a greater sin than those who unknowingly sin. People who are outside the Church and unaware of the Church's teachings will be justified by God alone; so if they reject the Church, we do not need to condemn them because they have condemned themselves, because if they want to welcome Christ into their hearts they will convert and denounce their sinful actions.
I think attending their ceremonies do not imply that you endorse them, if in your conscience you know it is wrong, and in your actions you do not give approval, because it is outside the Church. As a Catholic I have been inside other religious buildings, or present at some 'pagan' festivals, but I did not partake, believe, or agree with their beliefs. It is a different story if the Church decides that the ceremony can be celebrated in the Church, under the Church's authority, then you must not attend and protest against it.
"𝐼𝑓 𝑎𝑛 𝑢𝑛𝑏𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑖𝑛𝑣𝑖𝑡𝑒𝑠 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑡𝑜 𝑎 𝑚𝑒𝑎𝑙 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑝𝑜𝑠𝑒𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑔𝑜, 𝑒𝑎𝑡 𝑤ℎ𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑖𝑠 𝑠𝑒𝑡 𝑏𝑒𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑒 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑢𝑡 𝑟𝑎𝑖𝑠𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎𝑛𝑦 𝑞𝑢𝑒𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑜𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑔𝑟𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑑 𝑜𝑓 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑠𝑐𝑖𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑒. 𝐵𝑢𝑡 𝑖𝑓 𝑠𝑜𝑚𝑒𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑦𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑦𝑜𝑢, “𝑇ℎ𝑖𝑠 ℎ𝑎𝑠 𝑏𝑒𝑒𝑛 𝑜𝑓𝑓𝑒𝑟𝑒𝑑 𝑖𝑛 𝑠𝑎𝑐𝑟𝑖𝑓𝑖𝑐𝑒,” 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑛 𝑑𝑜 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑒𝑎𝑡 𝑖𝑡, 𝑜𝑢𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑠𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑟𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑖𝑛𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑚𝑒𝑑 𝑦𝑜𝑢, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑘𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑠𝑐𝑖𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑒- 𝐼 𝑚𝑒𝑎𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑜𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟’𝑠 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑠𝑐𝑖𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑒, 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑦𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝑜𝑤𝑛. 𝐹𝑜𝑟 𝑤ℎ𝑦 𝑠ℎ𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑚𝑦 𝑙𝑖𝑏𝑒𝑟𝑡𝑦 𝑏𝑒 𝑠𝑢𝑏𝑗𝑒𝑐𝑡 𝑡𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑗𝑢𝑑𝑔𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝑠𝑜𝑚𝑒𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑒𝑙𝑠𝑒’𝑠 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑠𝑐𝑖𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑒? 𝐼𝑓 𝐼 𝑝𝑎𝑟𝑡𝑎𝑘𝑒 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑛𝑘𝑓𝑢𝑙𝑛𝑒𝑠𝑠, 𝑤ℎ𝑦 𝑠ℎ𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝐼 𝑏𝑒 𝑑𝑒𝑛𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑐𝑒𝑑 𝑏𝑒𝑐𝑎𝑢𝑠𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑐ℎ 𝐼 𝑔𝑖𝑣𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑛𝑘𝑠?
𝑆𝑜, 𝑤ℎ𝑒𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑒𝑎𝑡 𝑜𝑟 𝑑𝑟𝑖𝑛𝑘, 𝑜𝑟 𝑤ℎ𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑑𝑜, 𝑑𝑜 𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑦𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑔𝑙𝑜𝑟𝑦 𝑜𝑓 𝐺𝑜𝑑. 𝐺𝑖𝑣𝑒 𝑛𝑜 𝑜𝑓𝑓𝑒𝑛𝑠𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝐽𝑒𝑤𝑠 𝑜𝑟 𝑡𝑜 𝐺𝑟𝑒𝑒𝑘𝑠 𝑜𝑟 𝑡𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑐ℎ𝑢𝑟𝑐ℎ 𝑜𝑓 𝐺𝑜𝑑, 𝑗𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑎𝑠 𝐼 𝑡𝑟𝑦 𝑡𝑜 𝑝𝑙𝑒𝑎𝑠𝑒 𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑦𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑖𝑛 𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑦𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝐼 𝑑𝑜, 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑠𝑒𝑒𝑘𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑚𝑦 𝑜𝑤𝑛 𝑎𝑑𝑣𝑎𝑛𝑡𝑎𝑔𝑒, 𝑏𝑢𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝑚𝑎𝑛𝑦, 𝑠𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑚𝑎𝑦 𝑏𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑣𝑒𝑑."
- 1 Corinthians 10 : 27-33 -
Would love to see a similar video about secular weddings. Many of us don't understand the true nuances of what the church teaches and how we enter into this. Particularly the navigation of friends who are non Christians vs. Protestants vs. Catholics who have fallen away.
I would be interested in learning Ascension Presents’ views on non-Catholic or non-Christian marriage. Would the reaction be the same?
I'm with you guys... struggling to understand the difference
so long as a same sex couple does a christian wedding, whats the issue?
Thank you for addressing this difficult topic. Kim, your genuine care for sisters and brothers in Christ is so apparent, and I truly appreciate both of you ladies being wonderful examples of women serving God. Bless you both!
its homophobia that is the difficult topic.
Nailed it when she said your not loving them when you are not desiring heaven for them.
@@mypublicchannel3884 Well I like you.
thats why we must heal homophobia as it is not loving.
The problem in this world today is that everyone wants to try to be lenient and accepting of other people's actions. It's the prevailing moral relativism in our society today. There has to be a point where we as Christians need to take a a stand and say, "No, I don't approve or condone this action because it is against my beliefs. " This cultural fear of not wanting to hurt other people's feelings and trying to just get along and not create ripples in the pond is just a denial to the call our Lord and Savior has brought upon us. As our Lord Jesus states, narrow is the road that leads to heaven.
Jesus also said to love thy neighbor
I'm gay...and was raised Catholic...went thru 7+ years of counseling and 5 priests....only to feel more alone and abandoned. God gave me no choice to be gay and put me in an impossible place. I really dont care about marriage or a "ceremony ",...if it stayed btwn a man and women for the sake of children, that's fine and I get that. All I know is I think I've finally found someone to love, and for once I'm not alone...and if the Catholic or Christian community cant accept that, then I guess I never belonged there in the first place.
I’m a practicing Catholic and I disagree with this video. I feel as though God is love and love is love. It breaks my heart that the church that is built to help you grow close to the lord, did the opposite. I understand you and I hear you. Please know that our church is man made and what you feel in your heart is what’s real. As long as you have a relationship with Jesus and do for others, don’t let the rest bother you. Jesus lives you for you. Our church will evolve ..
You’re never alone. Jesus is always with you, and although it’s hard to understand, Jesus is enough. Having a robust prayer life will never lead to loneliness. Trust in the Lord and He will always make the right path known.
I know how that feels. And considering how many Catholic people (like in this video) are condemning something that one can't control and neither it hurts anyone, I'm not surprised by the number of people leaving the Church. It's almost like they want that🤔
I am also gay, and I was raised as Catholic and studied in a Catholic school. I still do pray. There are some teachings of the Catholic and Christian about homosexuality that are really misguided. Be true to who you are. Being gay is not linked to being sexually promiscous. We know some hetero's who struggle with that. If the Catholic & Christian views us this way still, then fine. All I know is that my heart knows the truth. And the truth is that I am gay and I love truly, and I want a meaningful relationship that is healthy for my emotional, mental, and spiritual.
Bear you are perfect the way you are :)
Thank you so much for posting this! I was put in this situation years ago. I was so torn. I tried to convey love and support to my friend, unfortunately to no avail. We are no longer friends along with others. I am glad in a way that I was given this decision. Those people that are no longer my friends are people who claim to be accepting of everyone and yet, cannot accept me and my beliefs. I pray for them.
@Nick Gagnon Not true, my friend.
Nick Gagnon True love cares for the eternal soul. To really be caring is to point anyone to the Truth. If you know the Truth, then you are obligated to point out and correct others. Otherwise that sin you see will be blamed on you come your judgement.(Ezekiel 33:8). To believe or not to believe will not change Truth. Truth will remain.
But from their perspective, it would seem that you were not accepting of their beliefs, no?
but as homophobia is a sin and a crime against God....looks like you were the one who missed out.....as you will with God.
@Jess-wp5in not going to a wedding due to personal beliefs is not the same as ending the friendship because of beliefs.
This is where it gets tricky for me. I'm Catholic, as are you all, so is it bad to go to a non-catholic wedding? Because it's not a sacramental marriage. In fact, sometimes it's not even a Christian marriage. Would it still be okay to go to that ceremony? Because they're heterosexual.
Interesting concept. Following.
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If they aren’t Catholic, marriage is still valid for them, even if they aren’t married in the Catholic church. So there is no problem to atted that wedding ceremony. Although if they are Catholic or at least one of them is, then the marriage isn’t valid in front of God. That’s the answer I got from priests. I hope it´s clear for you now! :)
@@prasatorisko What does a marriage being "valid for them" mean and how does it differ from being "valid in front of God"?
The Catholic Church opposes same-sex marriage for more reasons than just scriptural ones. The Church opposes same-sex marriage because she understands that marriage between one man and one woman is one of the hallmarks of a functioning society that needs to be respected and safeguarded regardless of whether or not somebody is a Christian. I got into a huge argument with a former roommate of mine when he asked me if I would go to my son’s same-sex wedding (if I were a parent). It’s definitely something that bangs at a lot of nerves for people.
My mom had a friend who was Catholic but was unsure as to whether to attend a same-sex wedding. She asked the priest in her parish if it was ok and he told her "well, you don't want to cause resentment or hurt anyone's feelings so it would not be a problem to attend." 😑😑😑 She attended and she said she felt a pit in her stomach the whole time because it just didn't feel right at all. She told my mom about this and my mom told her that that priest was absolutely wrong for giving such misleading advice and then explained to her why. I'm glad you guys gave the correct approach to this topic. God bless you!
😔Pray for our priests.
@@marianniezayas1531 It's so sad...
See it as a blessing in disguise now she knows in the future to go with whatever she feels is right and not to be pressured by anyone.
@Nick Gagnon Participating in something evil puts your soul in danger. Not good at all.
it was the homophobia she had that was not right.......shame really. If they have the homophobia healed they would be glad to have been there.
I thank God that I have never been in that position, especially these days when the general public are so quick to jump to rash judgement rather than respecting someone's religious beliefs, which to them are more important than ANYTHING.
Yeah because your religious beliefs are denying a group of people basic human rights in a lot of countries.
@@munginosal2135 Food, water and shelter are basic human rights. Marriage in a church comes down to what God (the creator of the church) wanted. You wouldn't walk into an Indian restaurant and demand they serve you Chinese food would you?
@@jmurray01 Clearly, you missed the point.
@@claire98 I don't think I did, but we are all entitled to our opinions. God bless.
@@jmurray01 I agree with what you’re saying, and it is mung inosal who missed the initial point, however what I believe mung inosal meant to convey the torture and persecution of homosexuals in countries like Iran and Sudan.
I would say to go. Here's why. God calls us to love one another as we love Him. He presents us with challenges to face and we need to be there for each other. It doesn't mean you have to be 100% supportive of their decision, but you know how someone says, "love the sinner, not the sin?" I think of this situation as saying, "I'll risk my entire relationship with the sinner because of this sin." We live in a time where society views these things as gray area, sometimes even the black to Catholicism's white. It doesn't mean you have to ruin the wedding or embrace everything about the wedding. Just be there to witness. If they ask you how you feel, be honest but respectful. I would feel guilty to avoid supporting a loved one just because they've made a decision I thought was wrong. If anything, that's when they'll need you more. Imagine if God just abandoned us after choosing another human over Him at one point. He wouldn't, especially if we ask for His mercy. In the end, I do believe choosing Him is right, but isn't He present in others too? I don't know if this is absolutely right or wrong. Only God knows. But refusing someone completely because of who they are as a human only seems stubborn to me. That's how my mentality would be in this situation... If you practice Catholicism and know in your heart that you are loyal to Him, God would be inside of you during the same-sex wedding. What do you all think? I have to say, in the end, I would go. I think of not going as parallel with avoiding protestant services because you don't believe it's the truth. Obviously I wouldn't believe it's the truth, but Knowledge and Understanding are virtues and gifts of the Holy Spirit. More experience with other children of God, even if they aren't Catholics, will allow the world to live more peacefully and harmoniously. And I think that will do more good for God than not going. Think about it from their understanding. If Catholics shut you out for not being present, do you really think that's going to help them understand our faith? Not trying to start any arguments, but I am interested to hear your thoughts if you disagree. By all means, I welcome a peaceful discussion.
I agree with everything you say. I also just want to add that the worst thing we can be as Catholics is judgemental of others. This applies if I were going to a wedding with a couple that was having premarital sex. Many people can fall under this but that doesn't mean people won't go to the wedding. I think in a similar way we shouldn't judge others on their choices to be married or not
Amen! 🙏
Thank you Superman
Jesus was found among the sinners. We are commanded to love and not judge. And by our light the world will know Jesus. Judging, belittling, condemning and disrespecting people of different beliefs is not our place. Did Jesus send away the Samaritan? No.
and Jesus would attend a same sex wedding!
So what is your position for attending a wedding of divorced Catholic couples remarrying and not annulled ?
Amy Cruz I attended that wedding.... it was my brother. I regret having attended, it’s nothing to “celebrate.” I wrote him later and encouraged him to get an annulment and marry in the church. He has not.
It would be the same principle, I would imagine.
All i know is it won't be allowed in a catholic wedding
I feel you. Horrible to think that though we believe and love the same God that being 'Catholic' creates exclusion rather than loving inclusion
@@clairenicholls it doesn't matter if your catholic or.protestant if your either your Christian sorry but no other religion outside of catholicism and.or.being protestant had a relationship.with God sorry but it is fact i will 5 examples
Unitarian deny Trinity
Mormons deny JESUS IS God
Plus practice idtolatary
JEV WITNESS DENY HOLY SPSITY
scientology is not protestant it is a cult
And Jewish dont know Jesus thus don't have Holy Spirit
Sorry but these religions cant know love....because God is love how can they know God unless they change
Protestant s and roman Catholics share same.baptism...where as other religions dont..
@@ryand391 not all Protestants recognize the same Baptism as the Catholic Church. But for sure we need to love each other although the disagreement, we can't hate.
I definitely would not. In fact, I wouldn’t even attend the wedding of someone who I felt was getting unjustly remarried, despite how I felt about them. If you attend an unbiblical wedding, you are affirming that ceremony.
@Xeino nope cant
Xeino I’m not Catholic. To me, the denomination doesn’t matter nearly as much as believing in Christ.
Joseph Logsdon in my case it’s a family member so I’m sure God will forgive me just as he will them. If these people are good to you and have been there for you you’re wrong to not show up in my opinion
@Marianne Havisham God doesn't make affirming agreements with sinful actions! In Christ, Andrew
You sound like a horrible person. You say you love them, but in reality, you just love hurting them. I hope they find better people to be around than you.
My daughter asked me if I could attend her ssw and I said I didn’t know. We’ve been estranged almost a year. I love her and miss her but she’s told me unless I change my beliefs she wants nothing to do with me. I’m searching for something that says I’m wrong but I’ve not found it. I’d love to be wrong because I love my daughter so much but I also know that true love doesn’t flinch in the face of uncomfortable things. True love gave His life for all sin. I can not in good conscience celebrate that or any other sin. I’m so torn. I could have my daughter back if I would just say yes. (ps: this was a hypothetical wedding)
Why could you not go to her wedding?
Hi, I think you're doing the right thing by standing up for what you believe. Read also what your daughter says "Unless you change your beliefs, I want nothing to do with you". Is this love? She's the one telling you that you need to be different for her to love you, not the other way round. Stay strong and keep praying! The Lord will bring her back to you
@@nickgagnon3626 It’s a same sex “wedding”. That’s the whole topic of the video.
@@GovtWatchdog Yeah, its a wedding. So?
@@nickgagnon3626 When you go to a wedding you are celebrating and accepting that union. Going to an SSW would be you affirming, and celebrating a sinful lifestyle. The Bible is very clear on homosexuality, it is not to be taken lightly.
The answer is NO! Now the question is about the approach to give that answer. In that regards this video is fantastic!
actually the answer is yes.
Now do “Can I attend my friend’s divorce trial?”
XD
Thank you! Hipocrites!
Such an important topic..thanks Kim and Jackie
I needed to listen to this. Thank you so much for sharing on this very important topic. May God bless you.
and the answer is yes we should go if asked.
There is no such thing as a same sex wedding (lust) Marriage is a contract between a man and a woman proclaimed by almighty God.
Wow this was an amazing video, that showed me how to stand up for my beliefs in a loving way 🙏🏼❤️
sadly homophobics can not show how to stand up for any beliefs in a loving way
Thank you for acknowledging the difficulty and the need for love and sensitivity. I appreciate your emphasis to do and speak “ for Christ; not to be Right, but for Christ”.
and Christ would go to a same sex wedding.
Do you really think that a conversation could change somebody's decision about a same-sex wedding?
I don't think any words could change anything here.
If we want to represent Christ, we know what's the right thing to do here (not participating).
Not participating might be a sign to a person that we're not ok with somebody's choice. It doesn't mean that we despise a person or something.
It's about expressing love and not supporting something that is not love (according to the Gospel).
I don’t think the goal is necessarily to change someone’s mind on the spot, but to respect them enough to explain why you won’t be attending. It probably wouldn’t stop the wedding, but it’s an opportunity to emphasize how much you love them instead of just ghosting them.
What you just said is, I think, what she was also saying.
Nick Gagnon we’re not saying same sex attraction is a choice. We’re saying getting married is a choice. Do you not agree?
If two people love each other what is not to support? It comes down that people feel same sex love is either not real love. But truly, if you were gay, you would feel the love and know it to be true. There would be no question of its holiness.
The interesting thing about the doctrine of the Church as a Catholic the answer is already there. Whether we attended a Parochial school or RCIA as adults were learn the Catechism. In fact I would recommend any Catholic to get themselves a copy or go to either the USCCB or Vatican Catechism online to look up something which you might not know and I can guarantee the answer is there. For instance chastity and homosexuality is addressed CCC 2357-2359 and whether or not same sex marriage is recognized by the Church CCC 1603-1605 and the definition of sin CCC 1849-1851 and how we cooperate in sin 1868-1869.
Basically if you attend a same sex wedding you would be approving of the same sex marriage as marriage is a celebration when the truth of the matter according to God marriage is exclusively only between a man and woman as mentioned in the Catechism.
I felt dirty watching this. Like the mere act of my watching was an endorsement of judging others, deciding my way is superior to theirs, and ultimately- unkindness. Are my beliefs and the couple marrying supposed to align as same? Do we not all attend weddings all the time of couples different than us? A Jewish couple or Hindu or Mormon or Jehovah's Witness or agnostic/atheist couple... do we decline the invite because it's a black couple jumping the broom? Or because the couple are meat-eating carnivores, or because someone is an addict? An unrepentant ex-con? Or belonging to a different political party- or that supports a candidate or president we absolutely never could? Should we decline wedding invitations from couples who don't shop local? Or who kneel for the national anthem? Or don't buy union-only goods? Or that shops at Walmart? Or that doesn't recycle? Or- HERE'S a really good one! Should we/should we not RSVP in the affirmative for the wedding of a couple who has attended a same-sex wedding themselves? Sure it sounds ridiculous- even silly/petty at first- but is that not a fair question? Can we support someone who supports someone we've decided we can't or won't support ourselves? And if one's a sinner- aren't they both? I wonder if the Jewish guest concerns themselves w/ whether or not their Baptist friends marrying, eat pork? If any of these situations I've posed seems silly/petty? Then this whole question just might be silly/petty also. When we die God will not ask us about the 2 fellas across the street who married... or the girl at work who had an abortion... or the man in the next-door apartment who now calls themself a woman. But God WILL ask us if we loved these people like He calls us to do. And SOME OF US HAVEN'T.
Oh my gosh thank you for this, and btw I am stealing the "I Love You Second" line.
Thank you so much for this ladies. You definitely handled this really gently and still honestly. I'm personally convicted for not handling others well in relation to difficult conversations. Thank you so much for this example and insight.
Hmm...I am a catholic, and it's not a big problem to me to attend the same sex wedding. We are all people, and we need to respect each other 😊
oh well said
World would be a so much better place if you spend %10 of the energy you spent for discriminaton, to fight for the climate change, woman empowetement, animal rights and etc. God wants you to love any creature cuz everything belongs to God and comes from God. Believe me, God doesn’t care if you attend a wedding or not, God cares about how much love you spread, how much you help.
Word. It is difficult to put God first no matter what.
I find it easy as I would just go as love is what matters.
I do have friends and family member in the same situation, If I get invited I would say "I care for you and I love you but I love my God the most and everyday I try to keep and strengthen my faith and I pray that you won't mind this decision "
so you wouldn't want to support their love as christians should???? Bit weird.
What if you are invited to a non-Catholic wedding (ex. Muslim, Sikh, Jewish, Buddhist, etc wedding)? Am I called at that time to illuminate the Gospel to the couple despite the fact that I know and respect that they follow a different faith? Not attending their wedding will only hurt everyone all around especially when you're good friends.
I have also attended my childhood friend's civil wedding. She is an atheist (maybe agnostic, since she allows me to pray for her.) I love her dearly, and would want her to go to heaven, however, she does not agree with the teachings of the Catholic church. Whenever I bring up my (the church's) point of view on certain subjects like: abortion, same-sex marriage, and euthanasia, we are able to have have a civil discussion, however, she still thinks that the church's stance is wrong. I feel that I have done all I can to share the Gospel with her. She does agree with the church's teachings on forgiveness and mercy, but not when it comes to abortion, same-sex marriage, and euthanasia. She feels that by deciding what is morally right and wrong, or by not accepting our brothers and sisters' choices/sexual preferences, we are not loving them.
I remain her friend because we grew up together, however, aside from praying for her and her husband, I do not know what else I can do. Is there something more I can do? I would be really sad if she and her husband weren't in heaven. They are good people. It's just, I don't think they've encountered Jesus in a transformative way, yet.
I've used dialogue techniques I learned from Stephanie Grey and other apologists. I do not "force the Gospel" on other people, I instead build relationships with people while telling them what I think when the question comes up or when they ask me what I think about it. I have also met women who have had abortions and men whose partners have had an abortion. And, their pain is so real that it's almost palpable. I just think that encountering people where they are is so much more difficult than saying yes or no based on the Gospel. I've learned that when emotions are involved, reason will not reach a person, no matter how much I tell them the truth.
Remember that Protestants are different denominations of Christianity. Protestantism is NOT a different faith/religion.
@@carolannnoble3981 I apologize. You are absolutely correct that Protestants are Christians! I did not mean to imply otherwise (I have edited my post to reflect this.) By my statement about different religion/faith, my focus was more on the Muslim and Sikh, Judaism, Buddhism, etc.
Most of my school friends growing up were not Catholic or Christian. I have also been told by my few friends/classmates from other Christian denominations that I would go to hell for being a Catholic, and to be saved I would need to be baptized/born again in their church.
When I politely told them that I've already been baptized in the name of God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and, that I, too, believe that Jesus Christ is my savior and Lord, they still insist that I am not Christian, I am Catholic.
So, please forgive me for pointing out that there is a difference between being Catholic and other Christian denominations. Catholic weddings are always done in front of the alter in a church (at least they are supposed to be), however, I have been to protestant weddings at different locations: beach, park, public gardens, halls, etc. So, I wanted to know if I'm not supposed to go to these weddings as well, since they are not the same as a Catholic wedding.
I agree with your first question: it would be weird if you could not attend the wedding of a person with a different faith. You’re there to be a friend, not for their religion.
But to the rest of your post and especially the last sentence, has it ever occured to you that your friend isn’t ”lost” and that it’s not that she’s not listening to ”reason” when you tell her your ”truth”. Maybe she has a good understanding of catholicism and has chosen to reject it because it’s not reasonable to her. Studies have shown that atheists know more about religion than many religious people do.
as a Christian we should support all legal weddings if done in love......we can share faith better that way.
@@pastorbri not homosexual ones
Loving a person's soul and wanting heaven for them is true love, even if they can't see it themselves.
@Mike Cranston And who sets the rules here God or man? Does a good parent cater to their child's every desire? No, they follow the path of goodness and what is right in God's eyes, not each other's.
@Mike Cranston I believe Leviticus and Romans before I believe Mike Cranston.
@Mike Cranston I guess you fall into the scripture is not God breathed camp?
Matt Pietsch if you believe Leviticus, wear only one type of fabric, don’t eat pork or shellfish, and send your wife outside of your neighborhood on her period.
Also, it is expected that you wash your hands before walking into church and don’t forget to NEVER mix meat and cheese together. SMH
@@kyleblake4594 how bout Romans Chapter 1 then
So how does that work after they get married? How do you still have a relationship with them considering that they are now living together and doing things as a married couple?
Yes. I'd like to know that too.
You celebrate the person and not their actions. The same way you may continue your relationship with someone that got married for a third time or with a couple who decided to have in vitro. You will still love those children but you don't have to celebrate the way the children were conceived.
@@IAmJeka is invitro a sin? That's the first time I hear that, really interesting. I Have to look deeper into that now. I used to work at a fertility clinic.
So apparently the church views assisted methods of reproduction to be okay like treatments that help you achieve childbirth through sex, just not IVF because it " replaces sex with technology." Aha... I had no clue! 👍🏽
@@GardenMinistry. The reason why the Church considers it so is because you're entrusting it to a scientist and their ways of creation and not the way God made it, which is procreation. That's why I think we do anyway.
I love these videos. Kim Zember you are awesome. I love all the Ascension presentations; Fr Mike, Jackie and Bobby, Fr. Mark Mary. Y'all are helping me so much. My daughter kinda came out as a bisexual, and a very dear friend of mine married a woman; I couldn't even bring myself to tell her how I felt and I went MIA from her life. I have been feeling so down about the whole thing. Watching y'all talking about this, gives me hope and courage.
Gos bless y'all.
Classic Jackie, assuming the role of "allowing" people to attend a same sex wedding.
something not right with this
Truth and Love can not be separated. Tell them in a caring way that you can not attend and tell them why. It is a perfect time to share the Gospel.
Please do! My most religious relatives have distanced themselves permanently from me and my spouse. If there is one way to convince someone that you do not have the Spirit of God, just exclude and stop loving them. Better to out-love them and qualify the love with expressions of truth than you reject them, actively or passively.
Too many people are religious but don't have a real relationship with the Holy Trinity. Judging others is not the way. Love them, accept them and pray for them. And attend their wedding! 99.9% of people live in sin, we don't need to point it out. Why is this world so evil?
My sister has a sister-in-law who is gay (we’ll call her Ashley). When I’ve talked about the same subject with her, she’s told me that they would go to a gay wedding if she got married. When I asked more about it, they explained to me that they, as Catholics, could never agree or support same sex marriage. And Ashley is fully aware that they disagree with her lifestyle choices. However, going to the wedding to them isn’t an act of support of their union. Rather their attendance means that they love both Ashley and whoever her partner is, and they want them to know that even if they don’t support the union between them, ultimately my sister and her husband just want them to be happy, and want them to know they are loved no matter what. Especially by God. Do you think this approach is appropriate? Or do you think it’s like trying to sugarcoat a bitter pill?
Christians should go to same sex weddings if asked, if its a catholic thing that makes u homophobic, its time to find a new faith. Homophobia is a terrible lifestyle choice so don't do it!
Thank you for this much needed advice. It's been a question I've asked both Fr. Mike and Fr. Mark Mary and feel very grateful that you were able to answer. God Bless you and all at Ascension Presents.
I think it’s important to have the conversation and be honest no matter what your decision is. If I were getting married, I would want to know if someone I invited to my wedding wasn’t fully supportive of it, for whatever reason.
but why would anyone not support love as a reason for marriage?
I have never seen so much internalized homophobia, this hurts to watch.
“Conversion” ... it’s really sad.
So very hepful and charitable!!! Thank you very much. We pray for strength and wisdom ... 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
question would they attend a non catholic wedding aka Christian or/and non Christian wedding Jewish, Hindu, etc.?
Wanted to ask the same question.
I don't know for sure but I'm pretty sure you can. It doesn't have to be Catholic to be a marriage, otherwise there wouldn't have been marriage until Jesus came, and everyone would be commiting the sin of unmarried sex.
This is a very interesting video. Thanks for sharing your perspective.
Love and Law are different, but Love is greater.
Thank you so much for this video.
Can you make a video like this one about FIV?
If you get invited to a wedding of somone whom you care about then go and wish them a happy marriage, it does NOT matter if it’s same sex or not! Go support the person! This video is BS
Maybe if your religious beliefs compel you to refuse being in attendance at the most important event in a loved one's life, you and your beliefs are the problem, not them
I appreciate, Kim, what you said about your Mom and your relationship as the both of you chartered those waters. My struggle with my daughter's choices are not homosexuality, but of other beliefs that are being twisted by the world view. I appreciate what you shared because it gives me hope and a renewed sence of peace that God will get us through this.
but no one chooses homosexuality!
I understand what you say,life here in Ireland has become so secular in such a short time, every part of our society are giving anti catholic/ faith/ God messages. My kids are being bombarded with it. I am so grateful to God that I found this site and listening to these wonderful people and Fr Mike had strengthened my faith and given me the answers I need when different questions arise. God go with you.
@@accrice9758 so u believe father mikes lies on LGBT issues?
My daughter is in a same sex relationship and I have always been open to it as I love her, however I have just turned back to God after being away for too long Now I don’t know what to do about this, she is not open to talking about it with me. Please pray for us and God bless you for your own strength in this Kim.
I would appreciate any gentle explanation for my question, please.
I don't really understand why we can attend heterosexual weddings that are outside of the church but not homosexual ones. Because isn't, in the eyes of the Church, a wedding supposed to be in the church to bond the couple together under Christ? Why can a heterosexual "marriage" (through the state) be celebrated then?
I don't really understand
I don’t think we’re technically supposed to support any marriage outside the church.
Absolutely agree Eleanor. Surely if you are going to base the decision on the 'sanctity of marriage' surely this must be applied to heterosexual secular couples too.
Or to even extend it further, all people who do not understand marriage as Catholics too e.g. protestants.
Actually you do understand. Any wedding that takes place without acknowledging the union before God should not be attended or supported. Marriage does not exist outside of God. In Christ, Andrew
@@clairenicholls that is what I thought. At least, from what I see, catholic people still attend secular, heterosexual weddings as much as Catholic weddings. So I didn't really understand why it seemed "okay" to attend if it really isn't supported.
@@Ezekiel336-16 that is what I thought. With that being said, any marriage outside of the church isn't really a marriage, so why can't a person attend a secular (heterosexual or homosexual) "wedding" and just recognize it as an illegitimate wedding.
A lot of signage going up in people's front yards with the words "Love is love" with the implication that same-sex marriage and/or cohabitation = Biblical/Christian marriage. And I'm sure some even think this signage means things currently illegal are ok. So here again, nothing has changed since biblical times but we need these encouraging messages from Ascension Presents. God is love.
This video is dripping in homophobia. Before anyone tells me that 'you didn't need to watch it if you felt differently' I understand that. I watched this video because I wanted to try and open my heart to someone who felt this way towards the LGBTQ+ community, becuase I was trying to be tolerant and understanding, which I believe are core values of the Catholic and Christian lifestyle. One thing that stood out to me was that these two women automaticlly assumed that this same-sex couple was having pre-martial sex and living together. What if they weren't? Also, in the description box, how dare you say people were "suffering for same-sex attraction" It is not a illness, in any way shape or form. It is love. The Church stands for love, Jesus loved, God loves all his children, so how dare you say something a person never ever choose is an illness. This video is despicable and disgusting. I hope these two women learn to love and not judge and hate. A disgrace againest God.
My relationship with my sister has been strained and basically ruined because I didn’t attend her same-sex wedding. I tried to explain to her my position as a practicing Catholic in a loving way and texted her well wishes on her special day however she has resented me ever since. I have not seen her in almost 3 years and she even was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer last summer and didn’t want me to “step up to the plate” then because I didn’t even attend her wedding. I wish it was as easy as having a loving conversation but when someone identifies as gay, it is their entire identity. In their eyes, you cannot separate their actions from who they are as a person. All they will see is “red” if you try and explain your position and that is what happened to me. I pray that her heart will be softened one day but I also fear that I won’t get the chance to make amends at least on this side of heaven. 🙏
then you have urself to blame and ur homophobia......lets hope others can see the danger of homophobia in your story. Homophobia is a wicked sin. I pray your heart will be softened.
@Sick Politics how is hate and bigotry the right thing???????
@Sick Politics I agree which is why we must warn people of the truth that homophobia is a sin.
Thank you ladies for this amazing video and for your willingness to be vulnerable for the sake of so many souls. God bless you both!
This makes me so so sad. A consequence of our strict adherence to societal roles, and thus we end up breaking relationships. I just… wow
This is why I’m not a Christian anymore
Jesus said, if they hate you know they hated me first. The hate is real, but His love is far, far greater.
Beautiful video! What a graceful and loving way to respond!
but it is homophobia that is the real issue
I believe this answered my question at 3:00, quote, "I asked the Lord to help me to not ever support anything that He does not support."
Yes was thinking about this - my question is should I attend a marriage of a woman to a divorced man?
She has never been married, he was divorced by his wife. He did not want to divorce. They have four children. They are protestant so I don't believe they have gone through a process of annulment or if they would qualify for it even if they were Catholic. Note: annulments have certain criteria to be met before they are granted..
There is nothing worse than a busybody. People who boycott weddings & funerals usually have the biggest beam in their own eyes. If you can’t attend your child’s wedding, then go join a cloistered order somewhere.
good point
People today have lost all knowledge of why God made marriage in the first place. Marriage isn't for Lust, the main purpose for marriage is for establishing a family, or procreation. Because the world is run by Satan today, everything God has ordained is now called bad, and all that God has condemned is now called good. "Woe to you that , : that put darkness for light, and light for darkness: that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter."
[Isaias (Isaiah) 5:20]
Exactly!
that guy is attempting to reverse everything that God made...
I'm glad you evantually came to the point, that it's not only about same-sex "wedding", but also other things. I'd also mention ceremonies of your friends that break their marriage promise, leave their husband/wife to "marry" a new person.
But as you say, I think, it's not enough to just boycott a ceremony, you also have to stay in contact, offer discussion and assure these people you're not leaving and hating them, you just disagree with this decision and don't promote it.
or just go!
Such a great video!!!❤️🤍🙏🏼🙌🏼
Amazing conversation! Keep it up! You are awesome and in the light!
Well spoken ladies. Thank you
In a loving way, I would say no and be honest about why but if they love you back then they should probably know you by now and be understanding in return. Like you said it may cause a little strife because people want to be accepted, but in the end it’ll only grow into respect.
Nick Gagnon that’s just...not true at all. Are you Catholic?
so you would say no to 2 people in love? Hows that christian?
I cannot judge others! I pray for their salvation.
me too, I pray for homophobics to repent.
When I saw the title I feared you guys would say it's ok to attend. I know the Church was clear before Vatican II on this subject. Thank you. Yes one's soul is way more important than their perceived happiness during this short earthly life.
❤🙏
God-bless you both.
IT IS OK TO ATTEND
_(for anyone who disagrees with this video…)_
“Loving someone does not mean loving everything they do.” “When we love Jesus first we love each other right.” Such great words.
Truly loving someone means wanting the best for their soul. If you wouldn’t tell your friend when he’s doing something wrong, are you really his friend? Do you really love him? Yes, Jesus loved everyone, even the sinners, yet he confronted and corrected them (if you’re wondering when He does this, it’s all over the Gospels).
Also, as Catholics, we know that God instituted marriage between man and woman, and not man & man or woman & woman (read Article 7 of the _Catechism of the Catholic Church_ ). What they’re saying in this video is not just “what some old Bishop tells you” or what “men wearing white robes living in Castles” would tell you (quotes are from other comments here). It’s the truth, this is the teaching of the Church. Read Pope St. John Paul II’s _Love & Responsibility_ and read up on his _Theology of the Body_ and you will not only see that marriage is between man and woman but why it must be so.
My hot take: I'm catholic. And I am 100% okay with gay marriage. I would not second guess attending a wedding of people I care about or love if that wedding was between two men or two women.
Then your not Catholic
Maybe under the letter of the law (civilly) you can argue but you cannot argue sacramentally. It’s an anti-sacrament, it is intrinsically disordered. In order for marriage to be completed a consummated act has be done and it cannot be done in an ordered way.
This came at the right time. Thank you.
The answer of course is "no."
However, are we really obliged to tell why we aren't going in great detail?
Of course if we are pushed then they asked for it. Otherwise just a simple "I will not be attending" on the rsvp.
The reason why they encourage that is because it's an opportunity to evangelize and invite people to ask questions about your religion and God
@@Amanda-xd8ic I don't think you understand how people work.
@@claire98 True, some people wouldn't want to ask questions but some would. It's up to them, and you never know if you don't put yourself out there.
the answer is yes
It's not our job to judge it is our job to pray.
@Ashley Slack If they are your friends or family why would you not attend, yes you can pray for them but everyone must find their way to God, that's just my opinion because the Lord knows I'm a sinner that's why I ain't judging as I'm not equipped to do so.
Don’t forget love thy neighbor as thy self
@Ashley Slack good luck You keep missing the point though. Yes you can and should make the judgment that behavior is sinful, Ashley with all due respect I think it is yourselves that are missing the point. God made it clear "do not judge or you will be judged by the same standard 7 fold" He could not have been any clearer, but if you are not a sinner then you go ahead and judge.
We are talking about a lifstyle here chosen by 2 adults so I think it is between them and God and none of my business because it does not affect me, they are doing no harm to anyone but perhaps their own souls.
@@goodluck-mx4qr its NOT a choice to be LGBT.