+Antonis Rountas Back in them days everyone was packing, specially traders. This is the dark ages, there aint no such thing as chivalry and honor yet. People would rob you without a thought, apart from the Saxons. They were more tame because of their more good Christian nature.
It was really interesting to see this interaction. The initial fear and hesitation, the attempts at peaceful existence, the mistrust, the misunderstanding, and finally the clash.
Precisely - that's what I though too. Great writing and great acting - and brilliant idea of turning to OE and ON to show their communication problems and misunderstandings. And the terror in the eyes of the poor housecarls - shifting between hope and disillusion.
Its really complete bullshit. The Saxons were every bit as savage and hearty as the norse. Only people who feared them were the Christian monks in their monasteries whove forsworn violence...
@New King I don't really understand the point you're trying to make, but the norwegian vikings at least, were wiped out by the christianization of Norway. The brutal and warmongering norse religion became illegal to practice when Olaf the second came to power in Norway, thus the norse religion quickly faded.
@New King lol the Anglos got fucked by the Vikings, never heard about Danelaw and the Viking king of England? Scandinavians changed your language your genetic makeup (I'm afraid it didn't help with removing your ugliness) but still if it wasn't for the Vikings England would have never have become so strong if the vikings didn't help build up their defences. You should thank the Vikings for establishing your country. Thank them for your looks because without the Vikings you would have looked a bit worse. (Especially your women) 😂
Richard Strong ragner wanted to just make a profit he thinks ahead like later he starts thinking about setting up farming community's he is smarter then a lot of the others
***** Not really, the Vikings came originally from Norway and Sweden. The Danes were just a Germanic Tribe who came from Denmark and from Northern Germany Just like the Saxons and Jutes. But they looked similar to Vikings because they had the same religion and way of life and stuff.
tomurg Nonsense ;) Danes came from Southern Sweden - conqured some tribes in Eastern "Denmark" and merged over time with theJutes (Jutland ), Angles and N. Frisians ( both S. Jutland ). But they were already closely related Germanic tribes with similar languages, culture and religion.
Bjowolf2 I think you're referring to the warlike Anglo-Saxon war bands that swept into Britain in the 5th century. By the time of the first Viking invasion the vast majority of Anglo-Saxons were devout Christians and probably partly Celtic or from an assimilated Celtic background. You only have to look at some of the names of their early Kings list genealogy( names such as Ceol, Cerdic, Cenwalh or Cadwalla which are all Brittonic Celtic names). In 800 AD. the Anglo-Saxon mission was assisting the Franks to convert the continental Saxons/Frisians across the sea.
It always bugged me that the Saxons seemed always portrayed as either fat and arrogant, or scrawny, weak and frightened. Though Christianized, the Saxons were still a warrior people capable of holding their own in battle.
The Saxons weren’t that much different than the Vikings. I just started this series and there’s so many inaccurate portrayals. The Saxons always seem to lose even with heavy armor and weapons
@@AlexKomnenos geographically speaking the Saxons were only from a few doors down from the Danes. Extremely similar cultures - one just Christianized a lot sooner.
"Old English" is An ancient form of (Germanic) not German, there's a difference. Germans copied their ethnic name off of the term "Germanic" At that time of Europe, no such a thing as the term German or a country called Germany. The term "Germanic" came way before the term German and as a obvious reference should give you a hint as to which term originated from which and why it's wrong of what you wrote. "Old English is an ancient form of Low German" No it isn't its an ancient form of "Germanic" Like I said, there's a difference.
I know the Deutsch don't call themselves German, but I hate when people call Germanics as German, as in pertaining to the Deutsch when they're not. German itself is an inaccurate word for the Deutsche people, as it is derived from Germania.
"Are you traders?" "Yes, we are traders in the pillage-and-plunder-busines." Quite a funny question when you standing in front of a horde with swords and shields and axes.
TOFKAS01 being armed and armoured wouldn't of been that suspicious seeing as everyone needed to defend themselves. Take into consideration that the show plays off the idea this was the second time the Vikings had landed on their shores.
Well, you know, Travis Fimmel is English, German and Scottish... Wait, that's basically Anglo-Saxon... 😁 If I did a Viking movie, I would only have Scandinavians as Vikings, and Northern Germans/English/Dutch as Saxons... The Danes could pick their sides... 😁 I'd want for the Vikings: Dolf Lundgren, Stellan Skarsgard, Richard Dean Anderson, Mads Mikkelsen, maybe Viggo Mortensen (he could go either way, along with Mads) and some strongmen: Magnus Von Magnusson, Svend Carlson, etc. For the Saxons, I'll take Jason Statham, Scott Atkins, Jeff Bridges, Daniel Craig (yeah, Craig could pass for a Viking, yeah, yeah), Brian Shaw (strongman), Kelsey Grammar and Kenneth Branaugh... 😁👍 I know Mel Gibson would want in on this... I haven't made up my mind about Irish/Celtic Vikings like Gibson, but I don't doubt his enthusiasm... 😁😂🤣😂😁👍
@@juventus1056 Close, but still different... The blonde thing is extremely common of course around the Baltic Sea, Central Norway, and parts of Denmark closer to Sweden, but the whole of Scandinavia is still known for being quite blonde, obviously. SW Norway and Lapland being among the locales in Scandinavia where you'll see more folks with brown hair or darker hair, of course... The Anglo-Saxons were from Angeln, in Southern Jutland-Denmark, and Schleswig-Holstein and Lower Saxony in Northern Germany. So of course there were plenty of blonde Saxons, but they still had somewhat more brown haired genes than the Vikings. Of course, people talk about North Germanic vs. West Germanic languages, culture, etc. Basically, the Saxons were a bit more brown haired than the Vikings, and had a little bit different culture/organization/laws, etc. So yes and no. Similar, but different. If you read some of the older tales of Robin Hood for instance, there are some differences they describe between the blonde Normans (scoundrels) and the (more honorable, etc.) brown haired Saxons (and yes, I know that dark brown and black hair was more common among the Celts that became part of the makeup of the English Saxons over time, thus making the difference somewhat more striking between the two groups, esp. for Normans that had no Gallic blood, etc.), but the Saxons still had, overall more of a brownish-blonde hair color when coming originally from Northern Germany, etc., not the platinum blonde hair color of much of Scandinavia/Scandinavians, etc.).
@@juventus1056 They are both from the same stock, Just migrated different routes and times. The English are Anglo-Saxon/Norse/Celt basically, all the same.
The anglo saxons rarely lost major battles against the Danes. The problem wasn't they couldn't beat the Vikings, it's that the vikings were in and out of a settlement far too quick to get a group to kill them.
Yup the Vikings were equivalent of surprise terrorist and bomb attacks. Never know where and when they’ll strike. In Pitched battles it’s a different story and the Saxons had great success there.
Vikings also had their hands full with Baltic vikings like Curonians. They were also sea raiders and could match them as far as ferocity and raiding ability.
The English didn't have Housecarls until the time of Danelaw. It was imported from Viking traditions. The word itself is a Norse loanword: no one ever said "husceorl" or "house-churl".
Wow, all I was doing was watching this video, then I foolishly decided to look at the comment section. All it is is some race war of saxons vs vikings.
I've seen Norwegians and Icelanders mentioning that Saxon is very similar to their modern languages, and were able to follow much of it without major issues. Some guy who studies old Norse also mentioned that he was able to understand almost perfectly what the actors were saying without having heard Saxon ever before. I guess the writers exaggerate about the mutual intelligibility between old Norse and Saxon, in most instances they could communicate in an almost identical level.
***** Exactly right. One of the reasons English lost gendered nouns was because the Saxons and Norsemen differed in gender for certain nouns. Besides that, the languages would have been almost identical.
Perhaps, the Angles and Saxons were descended from Northmen themselves??? and is why the languages are very similar. Archaeology only goes so far to paint them as coming from Schleswig-Holstein, originally part of (Denmark), then Prussia annexed it and it became part of Germany, So one can assume that the Anglo-Saxons are very closely related to the Norse, as Denmark was traditionally a country with a strong viking heritage.
January January The Anglo-Saxons and Northmen were both descended from a common Germanic source. The Anglo-Saxons were from its western branch, and the Northmen from its northern branch.
Henry Whitmore Well, not quite - only partially at the basic level, and that is what the writers are trying to reflect in this scene. You have to keep in mind that they have propably never heard the weird, but mysteriously familiar language of the other party before, so they are only able to pick up a few words here and there - but what they do get is worrying ;-) To a Dane living in the East of DK, who grew up with Swedish TV as well as his own Danish TV channel(s), Swedish ( 80 - 90 % the same vocabulary and grammar as Danish, but with a very different pronounciation ) is fairly easy to understand, but to a Jute from Jutland in the West of DK, who didn't have that opportunity before cable TV and internet, and who is hearing Swedish for the "first" time ( or nearly ), it will take some time and a serious effort to tune in - and vice versa. Even we East Danes get in trouble over there some times in the worst cases ( where the tonality is more like rural Northern English - and even the grammar has some NW Germanic features (a la Anglisc) ). It's a bit like an American of today meeting someone who speaks in a rural English accent - trying to make sense of what is being said to him. He will get some words here and there, but often miss the whole meaning. These two Germanic peoples were linguistically about 500 years apart at this stage, as the split up of Germanic into the West and North Germanic branches had occured around 200 - 400 AD. And there were probably already relatively large regional differences ( different dialects ) prior to that, when you consider how large a region "Germanic" was spoken in.
Once upon a time, these were the same people. Beowulf shows us that in the 5th and 6th centuries, there were ties between the Anglo-Saxons -- the East Angles in particular -- and the pre-Viking Danes and Swedes, or more accurately, the Geats. The way that Beowulf, a Swedish Geat, shows up on the shores of Denmark and has an immediate conversation with Hrothgar's jarls indicates that they spoke the same language, and for various dynastic reasons, probable descendants of Hrothgar's clan through Wealtheow in East Anglia took it upon themselves to commit the Beowulf epic to writing. Wealtheow is described multiple times in the sagas as being the daughter of an English king, and there is good reason to suspect that the Anglo-Saxon Wuffing family was one and the same as the Wulfing clan with marriage ties to the Danish Scylding dynasty. This seems to explain why the English, particularly those of Wuffing/Anglian descent (rather than Saxon or Frisian), thought it so important to immortalize the story, as it cemented their dynastic origins in the god Odin, who by this point had become a mortal king in their Christian mythology. The intermarriages between Anglian and Danish peoples likely implies that they either also spoke the same language, or the early Anglian dialect of the Ingvaeonic branch of proto-Germanic was mutually intelligible with the old Norse of the Northern branch of proto-Germanic, or at least more closely related than any proto-Old English would have been to early Dutch or German. To sum up the differences, the Anglo-Saxon, Anglo-Frisian Ingvaeonic speakers were coastal peoples with easy access to both England and Scandinavia, and therefore more closely affiliated with Scandinavians, while southern continental Germans such as the Alemanni, Bavarians, Thuringians, Heruls, Vandals, Goths, Lombards, Burgundians, etc. were more closely in contact with the Franks, and ultimately, the Romans, whose world was obviously very different.
What I hate is how Viking warriors in simple tunics somehow manage fuck up heavily armoured soldiers. I know this is only a show but the Saxons shouldn't be always fucking up in battle when they have metal armour.
+Hugo França Your probably correct but I wish I could time travel back to that Era and give the christians rifles and galting guns so they can just mow the Norsemen down.
+Hugo França The Mongols and the Huns weren't Christian yet they did that as well. Plus the Romans were still pagan when they did their first genocide on Carthage. The Romans, Vikings and the Mongols were happy to rape the people they conquered well before Christ was born. The Egyptians also established dictatorships. While the church did brutal things, the pagans were no better.
+Declan m Also think of the millions of tribesmen that were sacrificed by the Atzecs just because their religion demands them to do. I'm fucking sick of people glorifying the pagans and downgrading the christians.
I’m glad people are calling out how hilariously bad this show is in it depiction of the Anglo-Saxons. The Saxons were incredible warriors and the Vikings always knew that. In this show they have Saxons dressed up pleather armour all frail and weakly looking. Most of the time they don’t even look English, swarthy little men. Vikings were a damn tuff but the Saxons were easily their match.
Very true... although the series is purposefully heavily fictionized to add Norse mythology elements throughout it would be nice to have an accurate depiction of how tough the Saxons were rather than just fodder..
@@Caine61 I agree with your thoughts. It’s definitely going to lean with the Vikings, name says it all haha. I just think it would be much better if they depicted the Anglo-Saxons for what they truly were. In a way it takes away from the Vikings victories in battles by having them win against a bunch of cowardly wimps. In reality they had to fight their asses off for the victories they did manage. They also often fought their asses off and got their asses kicked by the very strong Anglo-Saxons.
@@UstashaMe84 Agreed, the Anglo Saxons of their times were definitely fierce. I know the show had to distinguish their appearances for the viewers but the other reality was that Vikings and Saxons had very similar if not identical armor sets, aside from perhaps specific shield designs or clothing. If you haven't seen it, I recommend "The Last Kingdom" on Netflix. It portrays the Saxons in a much better light as competent fighters and is way more historically accurate than Vikings (and an overall better show IMHO).
@@Caine61 I do like the show last Kingdom a bit better but I still don’t think they did a great job. Alfred!!? Horrible choice.. again a weakly pathetic king. Alfred was a warrior ffs! I think both shows make the Anglo-Saxons look like clowns. I stopped a few seasons into Viking so I dunno if they ever end up having any bad ass Anglo-Saxon characters.
@@UstashaMe84 Hmm well if you ever return to it, Bishop Heahmund in Vikings is pretty badass and the Alfred in Vikings ends up being better than the one in Last Kingdom. The Last Kingdom's Alfred had a strong presence but as soon as they made him frail and ill it was hard to take him too seriously. Aside from that, the only Saxons from Vikings that I thought were cool was Aethelwulf though you've probably have already seen him.
It is actually a mystery to me how the language got to be called "English" out of all the peoples that crossed the North Sea: Jutes, Saxons, Frisians, Angles. Yet the language was called after one of these groups, that I don't even think was the dominant one? Has someone looked into this?
+Nyme Nos Yeah, I had a feeling they would be connected in this series in some way. The Seer gives me no doubt those 2 are linked in some way for this series. If Odin made an appearance, Loki can too.
100% accurate or not this is still a great show. It has made me go away and spend hours researching these people and the Vikings history so for those who complain it is not entirely accurate (and they have a point) I am sure it encourages other people like me interested in history to find out what they can. Hopefully the History Channel keeps this going for a few seasons as the Vikings did so much! Love the characters in this too!
Some sentences in Old English in the video sounds so much like German to us who don't speak German... 2:12 and 2:08 the most. Its fun to think that English practically developed from German (Angles and Saxes, later Anglo-Saxons, were Germanic tribes that moved to Britain during great migrations of 5-6th century, less than 250 years before ''Vikings'' story).
Germany didn't exist and if you want to use that analogy, then all Germanics are Scandinavian since that's where they originated from but then migrated to other parts of Europe.
misteraxl1 In order to demonstrate how closely the linguistic affinity between Anglo-Saxons and Germans was, I have written only 2 lines from the Lord's Prayer. One text version in Old High German and one text version in Old English. It is obvious that to that time has existed a common language continuum .From the times of Hengist and Horsa up to Harold Godwinson, the "Old -Saxons" (North Germans) could understand the Anglo-Saxons without problems, because the two ethnicities formed a common language continuum for more than 500 years - until 1066. Old High German : ......si giheilagot thin namo (geheiligt werde dein Name) Old English :.....si þin nama gehalgod (hallowed be thy name) Old High german :......inti ni gileitest unsih in costunga,(und führe uns nicht inVersuchung) Old English :.......and ne gelæd þu us on costnunge (and lead us not in temptation) The Angles, Saxons and Jutes were West Germanic tribes. But "West Germanic"can be equated with "German", so it is not a snub of the English, when one speak of them as from emigrated "german tribes”.
***** No this is a point that has already been made. Germanic should not be equated with German. The notions of Germany and German are much more modern concepts. As has already been said Germanic languages such as English, Dutch or Swedish did not develop from German but from Proto-Germanic. It may seem like a trivial point but it's actually quite important when considering the history of the Germanic peoples.
***** No, not from German, but from North West Germanic ( Frisian, Anglian, Saxon, Jutish )- aka. Ingvaeonic + later contributions and substantial structural changes via Norse ( Old Danish & Norwegian ). Even today large portions of our basic vocabularies are still very similar across the North Sea - as soon as you learn to see through our peculiar spelling traditions. And modern ( and Middle ) English has lost most of its WG features and is in many ways much more like a North Germanic ( Scandinavian ) language ( Danish, Norwegian, Swedish ) grammatically. So picking up English is fairly easy for Scandinavians - even after 1000 - 1200 years. It's like we already speak some "weird" variant of basic "pseudo English" from the offset ( even if you can't hear it on the fly ) and therefore don't have to think very much - unlike with German and its dreaded WG Grammar. A few examples: E: Can you see what the meaning is of these words? D: Kan du (thou) se, hvad (!) mening-en er (!) ( ~"are") af disse ord? G: Kanst (!) du sehen was die "Meinung" ( Bedeutung ) von dieser Wörter ist(!) ? E: Shall we go out now? D: Skal vi [ve] gå [go] ud nu [noo]? G: Sollen wir jetzt ( nun) draussen ("auss") gehen (!)? E: Let us find him, so that we can give him his new cow. D: Lad os [us] finde ham, så [so] (at) vi kan give ham hans nye [ne(w)-e] ko. G: Lass uns ihm finden, so dass wir ihm seine neue Kuh geben können (!). And so on and on ;-)
I highly doubt the Anglo-Saxons of those days would be so scared, or that any tribe for that matter would be intimidated by 30-60 visitors, being home. It's ridiculous how they try so hard to make the Vikings seem like superior men. The only thing I respect and can sort of believe is the decay in the aggressiveness (or the rise in peacefulness) of the post-Christian Anglo-Saxons (not to the point of this show though). Meanwhile the Pagan Vikings were agressive conquerors with barely any concept of peace and brotherhood. That I can believe, it makes sense.
I mean, in this case I'd say it's justified. These are basically a jumped up peasant militia (even if they are working for the king, these aren't like knights or something where they'd be anything other than locals), there's no reason to assume they'd be on-tier with the Vikings. Think of it like your average beat cop meeting a team of SOG operators - obviously the SOG are going to be in a class of their own in that encounter. Once the actual Anglo-Saxon warriors were brought into the fray, however? You're right they shouldn't have been the out-of-shape and often oafish characters that Vikings portrayed them as.
They still do - as soon as they drop all that fancy French and Latin show off stuff and go back to talking like normal people again ;-) Now that would be a really interesting experiment - maybe an idea for the next reality show on TV? "Back to Our Germanic Roots" Lexical Distance Among the Languages of Europe: elms.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/lexicaldistanceielangs.jpg
@@Bjowolf2 You ever heard of Anglish? It's basically English but with only Germanic words. Here's an Anglish version of the atomic theory called "uncleftish beholding" by Poul Anderson: warwick.ac.uk/fac/cross_fac/complexity/people/students/dtc/students2011/maitland/fun/
@@misterbearmore4633 Ja, for vi [ve] haver nær [nair] de samme (w)ord(s) efter tusinde år [Or] (yeARs), så [sO] en Engelsk-tal(k)ende person kan ofte se hvad mening {v}ore (our, OE ure!) simple Danske ord haver efter just få [foa] ((a) few ) sekunder.
@@ossybe6530 No, eyeliner is and was present amongst most muslim nations, too. And muslims as whole, especially the Arabs do not hesitate admiting the attractivness of others, because it surpresses one's ego.
Lord Seth The language the Anglo-Saxons are speaking is (Old English/Anglo-Saxon), not Saxon. "Saxon" is the language the original North Germans spoke.
Such a poor representation of the Saxons. The Vikings would’ve been well matched by any Saxon Fyrd of Theigns and Huscarls. They always portray the Saxons as weak, couldn’t be further from the truth. The Vikings knew this which is why they chose secrecy and deceit when they raided, in and out before the local authorities could find out. If the Viking raiders were surrounded or trapped by any well trained Saxon Fyrds or Franks they were usually decimated and quite handily dispatched and their ships burned or captured, especially a bit later in the Viking age when they started catching on to the Vikings game.
Interestingly enough it’s mostly Scandinavian people here telling the truth. Embarrassingly inaccurate depiction of the Anglo-Saxons who were absolutely vicious warriors. Vikings and Anglo-Saxons were very equally matched, they kicked each other’s asses for years. It’s mostly American “Vikaboos” that are in here with wild claims because they saw a show and like Viking culture. I mean shit I love Viking culture too, it’s definitely awesome but these guys are idiots lol.
so cool.. legit blows my mind that could be interpreted as Swedish or Old Norse with different spellings. i know neither, only spanish and italian, but that is just super fucking cool to me
This is why I can't take this wildly exaggerated Viking series seriously. The Anglo-Saxons weren't at all well-groomed, matter a fact they were less sophisticated and much less cleanly than the Vikings. Anglo-Saxon armies never rode horses, they fought on foot and were usually small with only a few hundred men, and Saxon warriors didn't wear metal armor or use metal shields, they wore wool tunics and used wooden shields with whatever weapons they could find ranging from spears, swords, battle axes, bows and arrows ...etc. They formed shield walls, yelled battle cries, and pushed fearlessly into battle. They fought like Spartans and they were no pussies like how you see them being portrayed in this historically inaccurate clip. There's a reason Vikings tried at all costs to avoid facing these Saxon warriors on the battlefield. Saxon warriors embraced battle and it was the Vikings who were reluctant to face the Anglo-Saxons in open combat. After witnessing the menacing sight of a fearless aggressive Anglo-Saxon army, the Vikings would flee to the safety of their longboats and find somewhere else to raid in the British Isles.
It is also a gross inaccuracy to think of the vikings as Spartan like barbarians whose strength and fierceness was their greatest advantage. This is very much wrong, as almost all Northmen who went viking were farmers and traders that got a boat and decided to explore for profit, and then went back home to continue farming. They won a lot of battles because they were well armed, came and went quickly, and attacked little defended villages. They also started with time to trade far more than they stole/raided, as trading was actually far more easier way to get wealth when viking, and were mostly explorers who sailed to far away lands to trade and get rich. They were basically a combination of farmers and merchants who knew how to fight and would attack if they wanted to, but were most of the time home with a farm and a family.
ThorirPP I've noticed these wild exaggerations of Viking invisibility myself. There's a reason Vikings used longboats such as they were light, slim, and aerodynamic, making it easier for them to escape with speed and agility. Now why would Vikings need to escape if they were so invisible in battle? Because they weren't particularly good at it. Norse raiders were opportunists, they weren't after a fight, they wanted wealth so they raided monasteries and small villages and farms - slaughtering men, women and children that were basically like them and taking anything and everything of value because that's the way they did it at home. When the army arrived, guess what, they fled to the safety of their longboats and booked it on the high seas. They didn't heroically face the army in combat because that wasn't their strength. Vikings hoards only defeated armies when they held the overwhelming numerical advantage, which happened quite a bit in the later years because Western European armies were small while the stories of great wealth in Europe attracted massive fleets of Norsemen who lived off of raiding and plundering rival farms in Scandinavia.
"There's a reason Vikings used longboats such as they were light, slim, and aerodynamic" Yes but no one north of the east-roman empire was capable of building bigger ships in these times. The know-how was just not available. "Norse raiders were opportunists, they weren't after a fight" Like all pirates in history. But on the other side of the battlefield, you also didnt had the professionals. The anglo-saxon also only had the milicia and only a few trained fighters. "They didn't heroically face the army in combat because that wasn't their strength" Only if they wanted to stay. The great heathen army of 865 conquerend northumbria and east-anglia in just a few years. But of course the norsemen were mostly settlers and farmers not fighters, but the early medieval period didnt had this amount of specialisation like in the later centuries. Normaly you had your homestead and this gave you the duty of having some kind of weapon to defend yourself. In later ages the "duty to fight" became a "right to fight" and limited to the professional knights and soldiers.
TOFKAS01 I should've been more specific. The longships that were built by Vikings were made primarily for speed and agility, whereas the longships used by other kingdoms at the same time were much heavier and their main functions were transport and warfare. Also, Anglo Saxon kingdoms had virtually no navy, so Vikings would've been escaping their archers and spearmen. Now The Great Heathen Army taken at it's posterior was a collection of Norse raiders, united under a common cause or the desire for land. They were still farmers, traders, and foremost raiders that up until then only fought in hit and run scenarios, so fighting a pitched battle was not their niche, which is why you see that most Vikings victories after which came by way of surprise invasion or ambush. They conquered the land of barbaric tribes with greater numbers, better weapons, and better armor, but they never could conquer the more organized kingdoms in Wessex and Mercia until King Cnut's leadership. Also the Norwegians and Danish never conquered Northumbria, rather several dominions gave into Vikings demands and handed land over to Norse settlers.
my english lit read Beowulf (oldest piece of literature found to date in AngloSaxon/Old English) in Anglo-Saxon as if it were a second nature... it was so beautiful! We had to learn the old english for that book as hell, incredibly challenging but interesting too
Steven Onevathana I think they are trying to talk norwegian, not actual norse. I could understand bits an peaces, their accents ruined some of it though.
BadassRandomness Nah, I don't think it's modern Norwegian. He's drying to pronounce the old Norse "Hvat segir hann? Hver er hann?" but has such a thick accent that I had to read the Icelandic subtitles to understand his bad pronounciation. They should hire more Norwegian and Icelandic actors for this show to pronounce things better.
***** Right! It would be good to have the pronunciation ‘sharpend’. I believe, that Old Saxon must have sounded more like Dutch in the ‘song’ of it. Some English dialects still have a melody with a “touch” of “Dutch”. Even Shakespeare must be pronounced old fashioned to get the rimes and the ambiguities right. When Americans try to pronounce Old English it gets too untrustworthy. It’s like when High German speaking in Hamburg pronounce Low German (Plat Deutsch). It sounds too High German. I have heard Old Plat Deutsch spoken, it’s a totally different melody and had a Dutch song/melody. Low German is close to Frisian and Frisian is close to Old English. Even in Denmark we have a hard time trying to imitate each other’s dialects. By the way, I assume that there are dialectic or pronunciation differences in Icelandic too? Where I come from in South Jutland we can hear a difference for each 10 km. Is it easier for an Icelandic to understand/learn Danish (or Norsk Bokmål) than English?
Hugin We have a pretty common way of speaking in Iceland, but in Northern Iceland people speak more harshly. You can hear slight dialects when you speak to old people who grew up in more isolated farms but most people nowadays just speak in common Icelandic dialect. I can't really say since I've known English since the age of 7 and only started learning Danish at the age of 12, but I would assume Danish, Bokmål and especially Nynorsk is easier to learn, since it's closer.
Concerning wrong chronology. I season two of Vikings they mention ‘Svein Forkbeard’. He attacked London in the year 1013. He was King of Denmark and son of Harald Bluetooth. Ragnar Lothbrok lived much earlier … if he really existed.
don't know what's the fuss...britain is a combination of vikings,germans,celtic,romans and iberic people...it's a combination of northern and southern europe and a very proud one!!
Yeah, they tried to make the Northumbrians out to be pussies. Truth is that they wouldn't be offering their medallions and talking about bribing them to go away. It would have been immediate carnage.
***** Anglo-Saxon records show them successfully bribing norse raiders on several occasions. These were not pussy, but tactical and strategical moves. It gave them time to muster a larger force to defend against the norse next time they returned, which they always did.
TheLuNaTiK89 ***** it's not the bribing that I'm worried about in the show: the anglo saxons are all depicted as quivering in fear whilst desparately trying to save their skin. They wear silly-looking armour and helmets, and for reasons that I cannot make out seem to all have dark hair and eyes... contrast this with the norsemen who are largely depicted as strong, handsome and aryan/germanic-looking, wearing no armour and showing zero fear. you get the point
Not so much different than you think, angles and saxons where basically neighbors of the jutes, almost same language and culture. Vikings would even use the same weapons and equipment as the saxons including fighting style. It's just portrait that way so you can tell who is who
@@nd77u The Anglo-Saxon poem Beowulf was also brought over to East Anglia by the Wuffing clan, who appear to be descendants of the Danish king Hrothgar, whose wife was probably an Angle. The Angles in particular appear to have had close ties with the Danes and Geats, and lived incredibly close by in Jutland.
I've been researching more about this event and I found that in 789 a group of 3 viking lobbyists sailed up to portland and the reeve of Dorchester named beaduheard thought they were trader's and himself with a few men went out to greet them. Then the vikings killed him and his men. Poor beaduheard :(
I finally understand this scene now!! Rollo got a new necklace fitted for him as big as it was...and so Floki wanted one as well, although smaller of course lol
In real history the “Vikings” were jsut as good as fighters as the Anglo Saxons on the battle field, however in this disgustingly innaccurate show they made the Anglo Saxons look weak
alekzander2010 Mmm,not quite....Modern English is totally different from Old English (is not intelligible to me, an native speaker. As Old French became the dominant aristocratic language after the Normans for 350 years the sound shift and simplification of the language from the Middle Ages diverged the language rather dramatically from the other West Germanic languages like Frisian or Dutch. Therefore; I have huge problems in translating an Old Anglo-Saxon sentence like: "ġewurþe þīn willa, on eorðan swā swā on heofonum".....
@@joannechisholm4501danish? It’s old Norse,probably west old Norse,not danish,danish split like around 1200 BC,much later than west Germanic languages from each other
Aethewald Aedilric after analyzing the book christians adhere to the bible I must say there are lots pretty ridiculous laughable ignorant hypocritical contradictions that any man/woman who follows the dogwash will be less then what his true potential is
They really made this scene good,I could feel teh fear in anglo saxon soldiers,I had that tension in my blood like its a real battle,they made this scene great.
It's a terrible scene actually. Anglo Saxon beat the Vikings 9/10 when they dont run off after killing elderly, women and children before Anglo-saxons are alerted, smh the Vikings were actually the biggest cowards of the Germanic tribes!
Many everyday-words in English has derived from Danish or Donsk, ok, so now I understand why some Englishman explained his trip to Denmark to sound quite alike, when he heard other talk Danish to eachother in the start, he quickly discovered it wasn't English though.. also.. so many lovely soft d's.. I love them..
A "soft d" is our version of the "eth"-sound - ca. -th, just slightly less pronounced than in English. We stop as soon as our tongues hit our front teeth, and don't stick out tongues out at people, unlike certain other folks - we are polite people, you see. For example: både [boa'th-e] = both (!), hede [he'th-e] = heath, fråde [froa'th-e] = froth, død [doe'th] = death, ved [veth] ~ with (originally ), ned [neth] = down, as in be-neath, bad [bath] = bath, måned [moa-ne'th] = month, fader [fa'th-er], moder [mo'th-er], broder [bro'th-er] = father / mother / brother (!!!) ... But our th-'s have all turned to d-'s now - thou = thu --> do, that = det etc.
Bjowolf2 Yes what abot the 'soft d'. I wonder if someone has researched where Danish, English and in fact Icelandic have the ‘soft’ ‘d’ from… Did the Danish Vikings use it too? , Did the English get it from Old Norse/”Dansk Tongue”? Too bad they hadn’t invented the tape recorder back then ;-)
Hugin Well, it was probably a common feature from way back, which was later on lost in Swedish & Norwegian. The Icelanders still have their curly d ( eth) to express this sound. For some reason we have lost that, even though we still pronunce these soft ds. including some now that werent there originally - for example "gade" [gath-e] vs. ON "gata" - as in modern Swedish. But think of Jutish Law of 1241, which starts with the words "Mæth logh skal land byggas" = Med lov skal land bygges / ... skal man land bygge " = "With law shall a nation (land) be built" ). Here we still see this th-sound expressed in the writing - namely "mæth" vs. "med", which is act. pronounced [mæth] even today.
It’s just hilarious because genetically Danes, Angles, Jutes and Saxons are so close you wouldn’t even see the difference, same goes for the culture AND the language. At this point in time the languages were still mutually intelligible and they would’ve worn the same kind of clothing and so forth. They’re making it seem like a huge clash of cultures which it really wasn’t. The adaptation of xtianity was a recent one for the English, so they were still quite familiar with Germanic paganism too.
You know, I find it rather disturbing that people actually relate these people to be figures that they look up to (despite this being a show, I'm pretty sure that at least half of the fans should know how bad they were). The Vikings were known for being the one of the (if not, the most) brutal warriors in their time and we have the evidence to support that.
Super old comment now, but there's nothing disturbing about a group of people retaliating against a monastery whose chief priest and scholar, Alcuin, was head religious advisor in Charlemagne's Carolingian court, where he conspired to have Frankish forces push through Saxony and Jutland and into Denmark, beyond the Danevirke, to further forcibly spread Christianity. And this was after decapitating almost 5,000 Saxons, just ever so slightly south of the wall. The Danes, having a culture of oath swearing, loyalty, gift-giving (ring-giving), honesty, and honor, weren't particularly interested in also having all their heads cut off in brutal, bloody fashion by the very Roman Christians who'd inherited their political tactics from that former empire, home of the gory colosseum and quintessential imperial backstabbing and conniving, and so took matters into their own hands. This is not to say that, when taken as a whole on a centuries-long timespan, the Scandinavians were entirely innocent themselves, even prior to the corrupting influence of Christianity, but the majority of the brutality of the world at that time was the result of fear of outsiders, famines, and overpopulation, and neither side was free of guilt in their quests for the survival of their people; but of course, if anything, it was definitely the Christians and their Crusades-loving Church leaders whose violence was of a more tactical, political, power-seeking character. The bottom line: This is a TV show, and a somewhat dumb one at that, and if you think the characters in the show are what the historical figures on which they are based were like, you should probably turn off the TV and go do some research.
The leather armour in this just looks laughable. They would have worn mail and iron or leather jerkins. This stuff has obviously been brought from a LARP store and passed off as "Historically accurate". And not one of those men looks like a real man of the time would. They would have been weathered, hard faced men who would've greeted the Vikings with a great deal of suspicion, if not hostility.
i think this was after their sacking of the monastery... Ragnar returns after Athelstan tells him about Northumbria and how King Aelle is rich as fuck.
Gordonblues no, shieldmaidens were very common in the 8th century to the 10th century. Until Christianity came along and made them 2nd class citizens. Unless you were Queen Gunnild..
That actually did happen, probably not super common but it not unheard of. Just like there actually were black Vikings in the later years of the Viking Age that came about because Vikings would let promising folk who were an asset to the shield wall join their crews.
Yes, the viking-series clearly rides the gender-mainstream of today. There are not much evidence of female viking warriors and its not very belivable that woman fought in a shieldwall on a regular base (definately not a small girlie-girl like Katheryn Winnick). But im sure that a lot of woman of that age definately were capable of defending themself. Because in the nordic society, the gender roles were more equal then in the later christian period. Woman enjoyed a wider range of freedom and self-determination and for sure a lot of woman learned to fight at least with an axe, a knife or a spear. At least the settlers who went to the danelaw in england or iceland or even vineland knew that they were in a potential hostile region and you can count on it that the wife of a nordic settler definately knew how to defend her home. But these women were not looking like 21th century actresses. Those were hard working farmers and used to a life of hard work.
For those discrediting the Anglo-Saxons historical place pre Christianity please take note. They were pagan, Their main God Woden corresponds with the Norse Odin. The days of the week are Monday(Moonday) Tuesday (Tyrsday) Wednesday (Woden or Odin's day) Thursday (Thur, Thunor or Thor's day) Friday (Frigg or Freya's day) and Saturday (Roman God Saturn's day). Just saying this Viking superiority is a little bit overblown. See the Alfred The Great or the Battle of Stamford Bridge to see the Anglo Saxons weren't all pathetic easily beaten bags of pus compared to the Viking 'supermen' bullshit story
+Spentastic tired of this bullshit, they didn't be live in Odin, there don't exist any sources on their mythology, it's assumed to be parallel to Norse Mythology but that's assumptions.
Adam Fleitman Well, you're the one who said you're showing it. And if you present this show to students in a way that gives them the impression that it is the slightest bit historically accurate, then you're a lousy teacher.
(Sees them walking in the beach, carrying axes and shields):
"Are you traders?"
"...Yes, traders!" - :D.
+Antonis Rountas Back in them days everyone was packing, specially traders. This is the dark ages, there aint no such thing as chivalry and honor yet. People would rob you without a thought, apart from the Saxons. They were more tame because of their more good Christian nature.
+Antonis Rountas Maybe they sell axes and shields? Those are samples to show the quality.
+King Barry Scott "more good Christian nature"...
Ivan Kornelius Different story, same shit.
+Ivan Kornelius çà c'est un film au cinéma!!!
It was really interesting to see this interaction. The initial fear and hesitation, the attempts at peaceful existence, the mistrust, the misunderstanding, and finally the clash.
Precisely - that's what I though too. Great writing and great acting -
and brilliant idea of turning to OE and ON to show their communication
problems and misunderstandings. And the terror in the eyes of the
poor housecarls - shifting between hope and disillusion.
Its really complete bullshit. The Saxons were every bit as savage and hearty as the norse. Only people who feared them were the Christian monks in their monasteries whove forsworn violence...
Fr loki was like so we just taking stuff now
Fuck. I really just wanted a peaceful trade. God dammit, Floki.
Story of every Civ game I play.
+Grindstone lol yes
Norwegians and peace? Pft, never.
@Matthew Sparks indeed, and their sexual assault has skyrocketed
Still not as awkward as my first dates.
abdou salem تراك تاكي في جده مسوي اول دايت قلك ههههه
Ha!....hahaha
Well that went to shit. I feel kinda sorry for the sheriff.
+1987MartinT yeah man, he seems kind of nice person
seemed*
Grindstone alright dude
He just wanted a peaceful trade so he could go back to his wife and kids and watch TV.
They didn't have TV in the dark ages.
Drug deal gone bad
+way2tehdawn Medieval style
meth.. well a lot more then once if we take a look at Floki..
way2tehdawn they just wanted that spice
In truth the Anglo Saxons of those times were as tough as nails.
@New King Not really. Christianity wiped them out.
@New King I don't really understand the point you're trying to make, but the norwegian vikings at least, were wiped out by the christianization of Norway. The brutal and warmongering norse religion became illegal to practice when Olaf the second came to power in Norway, thus the norse religion quickly faded.
@New King Yes it is.
@New King lol the Anglos got fucked by the Vikings, never heard about Danelaw and the Viking king of England?
Scandinavians changed your language your genetic makeup (I'm afraid it didn't help with removing your ugliness) but still if it wasn't for the Vikings England would have never have become so strong if the vikings didn't help build up their defences.
You should thank the Vikings for establishing your country.
Thank them for your looks because without the Vikings you would have looked a bit worse. (Especially your women) 😂
@@gustaf3811 You are an idiot!
Once again Floki fucks things up.
Well, he might not be able to any more.
He just wanted a souvenir
he fucks everything up
you know what warriors are like always wanting a trophy
Richard Strong ragner wanted to just make a profit he thinks ahead like later he starts thinking about setting up farming community's he is smarter then a lot of the others
1:54 holy shit lol, that voice
***** He wasn't a Viking in Ironclad but a Dane actually.
***** Not really, the Vikings came originally from Norway and Sweden. The Danes were just a Germanic Tribe who came from Denmark and from Northern Germany Just like the Saxons and Jutes. But they looked similar to Vikings because they had the same religion and way of life and stuff.
Damn why did they kill him off so quickly, he should have been Ragnar's right hand man the entire series, he is just awesome as whatever he plays
tomurg
Nonsense ;)
Danes came from Southern Sweden - conqured some tribes in Eastern "Denmark" and merged over time with theJutes (Jutland ), Angles and N. Frisians ( both S. Jutland ). But they were already closely related Germanic tribes with similar languages, culture and religion.
Bjowolf2 I think you're referring to the warlike Anglo-Saxon war bands that swept into Britain in the 5th century. By the time of the first Viking invasion the vast majority of Anglo-Saxons were devout Christians and probably partly Celtic or from an assimilated Celtic background. You only have to look at some of the names of their early Kings list genealogy( names such as Ceol, Cerdic, Cenwalh or Cadwalla which are all Brittonic Celtic names). In 800 AD. the Anglo-Saxon mission was assisting the Franks to convert the continental Saxons/Frisians across the sea.
It always bugged me that the Saxons seemed always portrayed as either fat and arrogant, or scrawny, weak and frightened. Though Christianized, the Saxons were still a warrior people capable of holding their own in battle.
Thanks.
The Saxons weren’t that much different than the Vikings. I just started this series and there’s so many inaccurate portrayals. The Saxons always seem to lose even with heavy armor and weapons
@@AlexKomnenos geographically speaking the Saxons were only from a few doors down from the Danes. Extremely similar cultures - one just Christianized a lot sooner.
Based on an actual event, when the first Norse landed in Wessex in 789. The sheriff asked them to go to the king, but they ended up killing him
Only difference was, they landed with 3 ships not with one like here.
I don't care if I have to read subtitles, but I love hearing them speak in the languages they originally spoke.
damnit floki, just can't help yourself.
Love the Anglo-Saxons language. Sounds really cool.
Yuri Ivanov
Just two words for the same thing ;-)
Very true. :)
Old English is a very close relative of Old saxon (= Old low german)
"Old English" is An ancient form of (Germanic) not German, there's a difference. Germans copied their ethnic name off of the term "Germanic" At that time of Europe, no such a thing as the term German or a country called Germany. The term "Germanic" came way before the term German and as a obvious reference should give you a hint as to which term originated from which and why it's wrong of what you wrote. "Old English is an ancient form of Low German" No it isn't its an ancient form of "Germanic" Like I said, there's a difference.
I know the Deutsch don't call themselves German, but I hate when people call Germanics as German, as in pertaining to the Deutsch when they're not. German itself is an inaccurate word for the Deutsche people, as it is derived from Germania.
I think they got off on the wrong foot
Or wrong boat.
"Are you traders?"
"Yes, we are traders in the pillage-and-plunder-busines."
Quite a funny question when you standing in front of a horde with swords and shields and axes.
TOFKAS01 being armed and armoured wouldn't of been that suspicious seeing as everyone needed to defend themselves. Take into consideration that the show plays off the idea this was the second time the Vikings had landed on their shores.
Most traders were also armed to protect their goods, although I'm not quite sure if they were to this extent
They are axe and shield traders.. Clearly.
This is rather amusing, seeing as most of the people playing as the 'Vikings' are of Anglo-Saxon descent.
Well, you know, Travis Fimmel is English, German and Scottish... Wait, that's basically Anglo-Saxon... 😁
If I did a Viking movie, I would only have Scandinavians as Vikings, and Northern Germans/English/Dutch as Saxons... The Danes could pick their sides... 😁
I'd want for the Vikings: Dolf Lundgren, Stellan Skarsgard, Richard Dean Anderson, Mads Mikkelsen, maybe Viggo Mortensen (he could go either way, along with Mads) and some strongmen: Magnus Von Magnusson, Svend Carlson, etc.
For the Saxons, I'll take Jason Statham, Scott Atkins, Jeff Bridges, Daniel Craig (yeah, Craig could pass for a Viking, yeah, yeah), Brian Shaw (strongman), Kelsey Grammar and Kenneth Branaugh... 😁👍
I know Mel Gibson would want in on this... I haven't made up my mind about Irish/Celtic Vikings like Gibson, but I don't doubt his enthusiasm... 😁😂🤣😂😁👍
But aren’t they the same people vikings and Saxons both from Denmark
@@juventus1056 Close, but still different...
The blonde thing is extremely common of course around the Baltic Sea, Central Norway, and parts of Denmark closer to Sweden, but the whole of Scandinavia is still known for being quite blonde, obviously. SW Norway and Lapland being among the locales in Scandinavia where you'll see more folks with brown hair or darker hair, of course...
The Anglo-Saxons were from Angeln, in Southern Jutland-Denmark, and Schleswig-Holstein and Lower Saxony in Northern Germany. So of course there were plenty of blonde Saxons, but they still had somewhat more brown haired genes than the Vikings. Of course, people talk about North Germanic vs. West Germanic languages, culture, etc. Basically, the Saxons were a bit more brown haired than the Vikings, and had a little bit different culture/organization/laws, etc.
So yes and no. Similar, but different. If you read some of the older tales of Robin Hood for instance, there are some differences they describe between the blonde Normans (scoundrels) and the (more honorable, etc.) brown haired Saxons (and yes, I know that dark brown and black hair was more common among the Celts that became part of the makeup of the English Saxons over time, thus making the difference somewhat more striking between the two groups, esp. for Normans that had no Gallic blood, etc.), but the Saxons still had, overall more of a brownish-blonde hair color when coming originally from Northern Germany, etc., not the platinum blonde hair color of much of Scandinavia/Scandinavians, etc.).
BenjaminGessel ok Tnx
@@juventus1056 They are both from the same stock, Just migrated different routes and times. The English are Anglo-Saxon/Norse/Celt basically, all the same.
The anglo saxons rarely lost major battles against the Danes. The problem wasn't they couldn't beat the Vikings, it's that the vikings were in and out of a settlement far too quick to get a group to kill them.
Yup the Vikings were equivalent of surprise terrorist and bomb attacks. Never know where and when they’ll strike. In Pitched battles it’s a different story and the Saxons had great success there.
Vikings also had their hands full with Baltic vikings like Curonians. They were also sea raiders and could match them as far as ferocity and raiding ability.
Obviously no Saxon huscarls present or this would have turned out much differently.. just saying saxons weren't push overs, not by a long shot
Pretty sure *Northumbria was a Saxon kingdom, obviously with a thick Celtic bond aswell
The English didn't have Housecarls until the time of Danelaw. It was imported from Viking traditions. The word itself is a Norse loanword: no one ever said "husceorl" or "house-churl".
We still aren't!
Erik Langskald
Nope, Anglian - and therefore a closer OE accent to ON.
温祺伟 The literal translation in swedish today would be "house man" :). cheers!
Wow, all I was doing was watching this video, then I foolishly decided to look at the comment section. All it is is some race war of saxons vs vikings.
well it's in English so i guess we know who won
LOL, tell that to any discriminators in the comment section.
1ZombieRob
Only because we are polite - and then you speak semi-Danish anyway ;-)
Not a race war - just a little friendly argument between brothers and close cousins.
1ZombieRob But....but the Anglo-Saxons weren't English, that's like calling the Gauls French
I hope they show battles were the Anglo-Saxons beat the Vikings, because it happened often. That's if they want to be historically accurate.
They already did that in few episodes.
Yess, you beat us so much you gave us half your country.
TheJames1745 Im Canadian not English.Your skum ancestors conquered nothing.They only murdered the weak.
norwegans are born with built in knee pads.your country is a socialist welfare shithole.
TheJames1745 There is no free health care in Canada.What's it like being an Obama zombie?
Vikings would have been able to understand the Saxons without a translator...
I've seen Norwegians and Icelanders mentioning that Saxon is very similar to their modern languages, and were able to follow much of it without major issues. Some guy who studies old Norse also mentioned that he was able to understand almost perfectly what the actors were saying without having heard Saxon ever before. I guess the writers exaggerate about the mutual intelligibility between old Norse and Saxon, in most instances they could communicate in an almost identical level.
***** Exactly right. One of the reasons English lost gendered nouns was because the Saxons and Norsemen differed in gender for certain nouns. Besides that, the languages would have been almost identical.
Perhaps, the Angles and Saxons were descended from Northmen themselves??? and is why the languages are very similar. Archaeology only goes so far to paint them as coming from Schleswig-Holstein, originally part of (Denmark), then Prussia annexed it and it became part of Germany, So one can assume that the Anglo-Saxons are very closely related to the Norse, as Denmark was traditionally a country with a strong viking heritage.
January January The Anglo-Saxons and Northmen were both descended from a common Germanic source. The Anglo-Saxons were from its western branch, and the Northmen from its northern branch.
Henry Whitmore Well, not quite - only partially at the basic level, and that is what the writers
are trying to reflect in this scene. You have to keep in mind that they have propably never heard
the weird, but mysteriously familiar language of the other party before, so they are only able to
pick up a few words here and there - but what they do get is worrying ;-)
To a Dane living in the East of DK, who grew up with Swedish TV as well as his own Danish TV channel(s),
Swedish ( 80 - 90 % the same vocabulary and grammar as Danish, but with a very different pronounciation )
is fairly easy to understand, but to a Jute from Jutland in the West of DK, who didn't have that
opportunity before cable TV and internet, and who is hearing Swedish for the "first" time ( or nearly ), it
will take some time and a serious effort to tune in - and vice versa. Even we East Danes get in trouble
over there some times in the worst cases ( where the tonality is more like rural Northern English -
and even the grammar has some NW Germanic features (a la Anglisc) ).
It's a bit like an American of today meeting someone who speaks in a rural English accent - trying
to make sense of what is being said to him. He will get some words here and there, but often
miss the whole meaning.
These two Germanic peoples were linguistically about 500 years apart at this stage, as the split up
of Germanic into the West and North Germanic branches had occured around 200 - 400 AD. And
there were probably already relatively large regional differences ( different dialects ) prior to that,
when you consider how large a region "Germanic" was spoken in.
I love the sound of these old languages. I would watch the whole show with these 😍
Once upon a time, these were the same people. Beowulf shows us that in the 5th and 6th centuries, there were ties between the Anglo-Saxons -- the East Angles in particular -- and the pre-Viking Danes and Swedes, or more accurately, the Geats. The way that Beowulf, a Swedish Geat, shows up on the shores of Denmark and has an immediate conversation with Hrothgar's jarls indicates that they spoke the same language, and for various dynastic reasons, probable descendants of Hrothgar's clan through Wealtheow in East Anglia took it upon themselves to commit the Beowulf epic to writing. Wealtheow is described multiple times in the sagas as being the daughter of an English king, and there is good reason to suspect that the Anglo-Saxon Wuffing family was one and the same as the Wulfing clan with marriage ties to the Danish Scylding dynasty. This seems to explain why the English, particularly those of Wuffing/Anglian descent (rather than Saxon or Frisian), thought it so important to immortalize the story, as it cemented their dynastic origins in the god Odin, who by this point had become a mortal king in their Christian mythology.
The intermarriages between Anglian and Danish peoples likely implies that they either also spoke the same language, or the early Anglian dialect of the Ingvaeonic branch of proto-Germanic was mutually intelligible with the old Norse of the Northern branch of proto-Germanic, or at least more closely related than any proto-Old English would have been to early Dutch or German. To sum up the differences, the Anglo-Saxon, Anglo-Frisian Ingvaeonic speakers were coastal peoples with easy access to both England and Scandinavia, and therefore more closely affiliated with Scandinavians, while southern continental Germans such as the Alemanni, Bavarians, Thuringians, Heruls, Vandals, Goths, Lombards, Burgundians, etc. were more closely in contact with the Franks, and ultimately, the Romans, whose world was obviously very different.
Well...that escalated quickly.
Yep it really went up a notch .
What I hate is how Viking warriors in simple tunics somehow manage fuck up heavily armoured soldiers. I know this is only a show but the Saxons shouldn't be always fucking up in battle when they have metal armour.
+Declan m the saxons wear also just leather armor, not metal.
+Let´s Nervmichdochnet That's quite true but I think the series gave them metal armour so that you could easily tell them apart when they fight.
+Hugo França Your probably correct but I wish I could time travel back to that Era and give the christians rifles and galting guns so they can just mow the Norsemen down.
+Hugo França The Mongols and the Huns weren't Christian yet they did that as well. Plus the Romans were still pagan when they did their first genocide on Carthage. The Romans, Vikings and the Mongols were happy to rape the people they conquered well before Christ was born. The Egyptians also established dictatorships. While the church did brutal things, the pagans were no better.
+Declan m Also think of the millions of tribesmen that were sacrificed by the Atzecs just because their religion demands them to do. I'm fucking sick of people glorifying the pagans and downgrading the christians.
3:26 if i saw that huge guy walk to me i wouldve crapped my pants
I'm so glad that King Ecgbert came along. He's my favorite; a total genius who actually rivals the vikings, and even bests them at points.
Love how they kinda understand each other due to them still being very archaic versions of English and the Nordic language
I’m glad people are calling out how hilariously bad this show is in it depiction of the Anglo-Saxons. The Saxons were incredible warriors and the Vikings always knew that. In this show they have Saxons dressed up pleather armour all frail and weakly looking. Most of the time they don’t even look English, swarthy little men. Vikings were a damn tuff but the Saxons were easily their match.
Very true... although the series is purposefully heavily fictionized to add Norse mythology elements throughout it would be nice to have an accurate depiction of how tough the Saxons were rather than just fodder..
@@Caine61 I agree with your thoughts. It’s definitely going to lean with the Vikings, name says it all haha. I just think it would be much better if they depicted the Anglo-Saxons for what they truly were. In a way it takes away from the Vikings victories in battles by having them win against a bunch of cowardly wimps. In reality they had to fight their asses off for the victories they did manage. They also often fought their asses off and got their asses kicked by the very strong Anglo-Saxons.
@@UstashaMe84 Agreed, the Anglo Saxons of their times were definitely fierce. I know the show had to distinguish their appearances for the viewers but the other reality was that Vikings and Saxons had very similar if not identical armor sets, aside from perhaps specific shield designs or clothing.
If you haven't seen it, I recommend "The Last Kingdom" on Netflix. It portrays the Saxons in a much better light as competent fighters and is way more historically accurate than Vikings (and an overall better show IMHO).
@@Caine61 I do like the show last Kingdom a bit better but I still don’t think they did a great job. Alfred!!? Horrible choice.. again a weakly pathetic king. Alfred was a warrior ffs! I think both shows make the Anglo-Saxons look like clowns. I stopped a few seasons into Viking so I dunno if they ever end up having any bad ass Anglo-Saxon characters.
@@UstashaMe84 Hmm well if you ever return to it, Bishop Heahmund in Vikings is pretty badass and the Alfred in Vikings ends up being better than the one in Last Kingdom. The Last Kingdom's Alfred had a strong presence but as soon as they made him frail and ill it was hard to take him too seriously. Aside from that, the only Saxons from Vikings that I thought were cool was Aethelwulf though you've probably have already seen him.
nice how anglo saxon still speek their Frysian
*Anglo-Saxon
Same thing.
Batavosphere If so, English would be called Frisian, not English.
Wolfeon Yeah.... i guess u know better then experts on the matter. Hurah we hot a new genius
It is actually a mystery to me how the language got to be called "English" out of all the peoples that crossed the North Sea: Jutes, Saxons, Frisians, Angles. Yet the language was called after one of these groups, that I don't even think was the dominant one? Has someone looked into this?
Floki is Loki...similar attitude
+Nyme Nos Yeah, I had a feeling they would be connected in this series in some way. The Seer gives me no doubt those 2 are linked in some way for this series. If Odin made an appearance, Loki can too.
100% accurate or not this is still a great show. It has made me go away and spend hours researching these people and the Vikings history so for those who complain it is not entirely accurate (and they have a point) I am sure it encourages other people like me interested in history to find out what they can. Hopefully the History Channel keeps this going for a few seasons as the Vikings did so much! Love the characters in this too!
Some sentences in Old English in the video sounds so much like German to us who don't speak German... 2:12 and 2:08 the most. Its fun to think that English practically developed from German (Angles and Saxes, later Anglo-Saxons, were Germanic tribes that moved to Britain during great migrations of 5-6th century, less than 250 years before ''Vikings'' story).
Germany didn't exist and if you want to use that analogy, then all Germanics are Scandinavian since that's where they originated from but then migrated to other parts of Europe.
misteraxl1 yep.
Wir sind Northmen
unthser Köenig Aelle
I got some parts of it.
misteraxl1
In order to demonstrate how closely the linguistic affinity between Anglo-Saxons and Germans was, I have written only 2 lines from the Lord's Prayer. One text version in Old High German and one text version in Old English. It is obvious that to that time has existed a common language continuum .From the times of Hengist and Horsa up to Harold Godwinson, the "Old -Saxons" (North Germans) could understand the Anglo-Saxons without problems, because the two ethnicities formed a common language continuum for more than 500 years - until 1066.
Old High German : ......si giheilagot thin namo (geheiligt werde dein Name)
Old English :.....si þin nama gehalgod (hallowed be thy name)
Old High german :......inti ni gileitest unsih in costunga,(und führe uns nicht inVersuchung)
Old English :.......and ne gelæd þu us on costnunge (and lead us not in temptation)
The Angles, Saxons and Jutes were West Germanic tribes. But "West Germanic"can be equated with "German", so it is not a snub of the English, when one speak of them as from emigrated "german tribes”.
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No this is a point that has already been made. Germanic should not be equated with German. The notions of Germany and German are much more modern concepts. As has already been said Germanic languages such as English, Dutch or Swedish did not develop from German but from Proto-Germanic. It may seem like a trivial point but it's actually quite important when considering the history of the Germanic peoples.
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No, not from German, but from North West Germanic ( Frisian, Anglian, Saxon, Jutish )- aka. Ingvaeonic + later contributions and substantial structural changes via Norse ( Old Danish & Norwegian ).
Even today large portions of our basic vocabularies are still very similar across the North Sea - as soon as you learn to see through our peculiar spelling traditions. And modern ( and Middle ) English has lost most of its WG features and is in many ways much more like a North Germanic ( Scandinavian ) language ( Danish, Norwegian, Swedish ) grammatically. So picking up English is fairly easy for Scandinavians - even after 1000 - 1200 years. It's like we already speak some "weird" variant of basic "pseudo English" from the offset ( even if you can't hear it on the fly ) and therefore don't have to think very much - unlike with German and its dreaded WG Grammar.
A few examples:
E: Can you see what the meaning is of these words?
D: Kan du (thou) se, hvad (!) mening-en er (!) ( ~"are") af disse ord?
G: Kanst (!) du sehen was die "Meinung" ( Bedeutung ) von dieser Wörter ist(!) ?
E: Shall we go out now?
D: Skal vi [ve] gå [go] ud nu [noo]?
G: Sollen wir jetzt ( nun) draussen ("auss") gehen (!)?
E: Let us find him, so that we can give him his new cow.
D: Lad os [us] finde ham, så [so] (at) vi kan give ham hans nye [ne(w)-e] ko.
G: Lass uns ihm finden, so dass wir ihm seine neue Kuh geben können (!).
And so on and on ;-)
I highly doubt the Anglo-Saxons of those days would be so scared, or that any tribe for that matter would be intimidated by 30-60 visitors, being home.
It's ridiculous how they try so hard to make the Vikings seem like superior men. The only thing I respect and can sort of believe is the decay in the aggressiveness (or the rise in peacefulness) of the post-Christian Anglo-Saxons (not to the point of this show though). Meanwhile the Pagan Vikings were agressive conquerors with barely any concept of peace and brotherhood. That I can believe, it makes sense.
I mean, in this case I'd say it's justified. These are basically a jumped up peasant militia (even if they are working for the king, these aren't like knights or something where they'd be anything other than locals), there's no reason to assume they'd be on-tier with the Vikings. Think of it like your average beat cop meeting a team of SOG operators - obviously the SOG are going to be in a class of their own in that encounter.
Once the actual Anglo-Saxon warriors were brought into the fray, however? You're right they shouldn't have been the out-of-shape and often oafish characters that Vikings portrayed them as.
Oh yes never underestimate....us Saxons....🇩🇪...they were always fit for fighting against vikings
I love how the show makes the anglo saxons look weak when in reality they basically sent the Vikings to extinction lol
If not for William the Bastard's conquest of England in 1066, the English would probably speak like Ragnar and these chaps today.
They still do - as soon as they drop all that fancy French and Latin show off stuff
and go back to talking like normal people again ;-)
Now that would be a really interesting experiment - maybe an idea for the next reality show on TV? "Back to Our Germanic Roots"
Lexical Distance Among the Languages of Europe:
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@@Bjowolf2 You ever heard of Anglish? It's basically English but with only Germanic words. Here's an Anglish version of the atomic theory called "uncleftish beholding" by Poul Anderson: warwick.ac.uk/fac/cross_fac/complexity/people/students/dtc/students2011/maitland/fun/
@@misterbearmore4633 Yes, thank you 😉
@@misterbearmore4633 Ja, for vi [ve] haver nær [nair] de samme (w)ord(s) efter tusinde år [Or] (yeARs), så [sO] en Engelsk-tal(k)ende person kan ofte se hvad mening
{v}ore (our, OE ure!) simple Danske ord haver efter just få [foa] ((a) few ) sekunder.
@@Bjowolf2 Oh, if only we wrote like this.
I love that dude's eye liner. Just like his girlfriend next to him
Bart Gielingh Fun fact, the (male) scandinavians of the time wore eyeliner. The arab writers who saw it said it was quite attractive.
Didn't know that.
The Arabs were gay then.
@@ossybe6530
No, eyeliner is and was present amongst most muslim nations, too.
And muslims as whole, especially the Arabs do not hesitate admiting the attractivness of others, because it surpresses one's ego.
@@fisebilillah4406 Male arabs in Morocco or Saudi Arabia also hold hands while walking down the street. It's to suppress one's ego ;)
I like how you can understand some words in old English and old Norse and how some are similar to modern English and even modern German.
Ragnars' army meets Anglo-Saxons
lol thats not a army its a raiding party only 1 freakig ship 30 guys max
I counted 21
They should've understood each other to a degree.. Both old english and old Norse are sister languages, also these languages sounds similar.
I miss when Vladimir Kulich was in this show.
Little known fact, "Anglo-Saxons" is ancient Numa-numa, meaning 'angel scissors', because they liked that stuff.
But... what about the numa numa?!
Saxon is very beautiful
If you mean the language, then it's actually Old English, not Saxon (and yeah, I know your comment is 4 months old).
Lord Seth The language the Anglo-Saxons are speaking is (Old English/Anglo-Saxon), not Saxon. "Saxon" is the language the original North Germans spoke.
It's Northumbrian Anglican
@@hannahdyson5603 Later to become Geordie
Such a poor representation of the Saxons. The Vikings would’ve been well matched by any Saxon Fyrd of Theigns and Huscarls. They always portray the Saxons as weak, couldn’t be further from the truth. The Vikings knew this which is why they chose secrecy and deceit when they raided, in and out before the local authorities could find out. If the Viking raiders were surrounded or trapped by any well trained Saxon Fyrds or Franks they were usually decimated and quite handily dispatched and their ships burned or captured, especially a bit later in the Viking age when they started catching on to the Vikings game.
Interestingly enough it’s mostly Scandinavian people here telling the truth. Embarrassingly inaccurate depiction of the Anglo-Saxons who were absolutely vicious warriors. Vikings and Anglo-Saxons were very equally matched, they kicked each other’s asses for years. It’s mostly American “Vikaboos” that are in here with wild claims because they saw a show and like Viking culture. I mean shit I love Viking culture too, it’s definitely awesome but these guys are idiots lol.
Rollo: Vad säger han? Rollo speaking Swedish right there
Old Norse: Hvat Segya Hann?
so cool.. legit blows my mind that could be interpreted as Swedish or Old Norse with different spellings. i know neither, only spanish and italian, but that is just super fucking cool to me
This is why I can't take this wildly exaggerated Viking series seriously. The Anglo-Saxons weren't at all well-groomed, matter a fact they were less sophisticated and much less cleanly than the Vikings. Anglo-Saxon armies never rode horses, they fought on foot and were usually small with only a few hundred men, and Saxon warriors didn't wear metal armor or use metal shields, they wore wool tunics and used wooden shields with whatever weapons they could find ranging from spears, swords, battle axes, bows and arrows ...etc. They formed shield walls, yelled battle cries, and pushed fearlessly into battle. They fought like Spartans and they were no pussies like how you see them being portrayed in this historically inaccurate clip. There's a reason Vikings tried at all costs to avoid facing these Saxon warriors on the battlefield. Saxon warriors embraced battle and it was the Vikings who were reluctant to face the Anglo-Saxons in open combat. After witnessing the menacing sight of a fearless aggressive Anglo-Saxon army, the Vikings would flee to the safety of their longboats and find somewhere else to raid in the British Isles.
It is also a gross inaccuracy to think of the vikings as Spartan like barbarians whose strength and fierceness was their greatest advantage. This is very much wrong, as almost all Northmen who went viking were farmers and traders that got a boat and decided to explore for profit, and then went back home to continue farming. They won a lot of battles because they were well armed, came and went quickly, and attacked little defended villages. They also started with time to trade far more than they stole/raided, as trading was actually far more easier way to get wealth when viking, and were mostly explorers who sailed to far away lands to trade and get rich. They were basically a combination of farmers and merchants who knew how to fight and would attack if they wanted to, but were most of the time home with a farm and a family.
ThorirPP
I've noticed these wild exaggerations of Viking invisibility myself. There's a reason Vikings used longboats such as they were light, slim, and aerodynamic, making it easier for them to escape with speed and agility. Now why would Vikings need to escape if they were so invisible in battle? Because they weren't particularly good at it. Norse raiders were opportunists, they weren't after a fight, they wanted wealth so they raided monasteries and small villages and farms - slaughtering men, women and children that were basically like them and taking anything and everything of value because that's the way they did it at home. When the army arrived, guess what, they fled to the safety of their longboats and booked it on the high seas. They didn't heroically face the army in combat because that wasn't their strength. Vikings hoards only defeated armies when they held the overwhelming numerical advantage, which happened quite a bit in the later years because Western European armies were small while the stories of great wealth in Europe attracted massive fleets of Norsemen who lived off of raiding and plundering rival farms in Scandinavia.
"There's a reason Vikings used longboats such as they were light, slim, and aerodynamic"
Yes but no one north of the east-roman empire was capable of building bigger ships in these times. The know-how was just not available.
"Norse raiders were opportunists, they weren't after a fight"
Like all pirates in history. But on the other side of the battlefield, you also didnt had the professionals. The anglo-saxon also only had the milicia and only a few trained fighters.
"They didn't heroically face the army in combat because that wasn't their strength"
Only if they wanted to stay. The great heathen army of 865 conquerend northumbria and east-anglia in just a few years.
But of course the norsemen were mostly settlers and farmers not fighters, but the early medieval period didnt had this amount of specialisation like in the later centuries. Normaly you had your homestead and this gave you the duty of having some kind of weapon to defend yourself. In later ages the "duty to fight" became a "right to fight" and limited to the professional knights and soldiers.
TOFKAS01
I should've been more specific. The longships that were built by Vikings were made primarily for speed and agility, whereas the longships used by other kingdoms at the same time were much heavier and their main functions were transport and warfare. Also, Anglo Saxon kingdoms had virtually no navy, so Vikings would've been escaping their archers and spearmen. Now The Great Heathen Army taken at it's posterior was a collection of Norse raiders, united under a common cause or the desire for land. They were still farmers, traders, and foremost raiders that up until then only fought in hit and run scenarios, so fighting a pitched battle was not their niche, which is why you see that most Vikings victories after which came by way of surprise invasion or ambush. They conquered the land of barbaric tribes with greater numbers, better weapons, and better armor, but they never could conquer the more organized kingdoms in Wessex and Mercia until King Cnut's leadership. Also the Norwegians and Danish never conquered Northumbria, rather several dominions gave into Vikings demands and handed land over to Norse settlers.
my english lit read Beowulf (oldest piece of literature found to date in AngloSaxon/Old English) in Anglo-Saxon as if it were a second nature... it was so beautiful!
We had to learn the old english for that book as hell, incredibly challenging but interesting too
"Freondas! On godes naman...AH!!"
Frank Sellers Yes, I like the acting of the English sheriff.
温祺伟 Yes, a real dialogue seeker ;-)
And look where that got him ...
Swiþe god min freond!
Floki wouldn't exist in real life encounters like that. And if he did, he'd have been offed a long time ago.
I’m pretty sure if the people from today especially in the current generation were in Flokis time setting, they wouldn’t even make it past childhood
1:05 i would not need any translation for that, as i would understand what he said there anyway
I thought Old Norse wasn't the same as Norwegian. Probably similar. How much of the viking's speech did you understand?
Steven Onevathana I think they are trying to talk norwegian, not actual norse. I could understand bits an peaces, their accents ruined some of it though.
BadassRandomness Nah, I don't think it's modern Norwegian. He's drying to pronounce the old Norse "Hvat segir hann? Hver er hann?" but has such a thick accent that I had to read the Icelandic subtitles to understand his bad pronounciation. They should hire more Norwegian and Icelandic actors for this show to pronounce things better.
***** Right! It would be good to have the pronunciation ‘sharpend’.
I believe, that Old Saxon must have sounded more like Dutch in the ‘song’ of it.
Some English dialects still have a melody with a “touch” of “Dutch”.
Even Shakespeare must be pronounced old fashioned to get the rimes and the ambiguities right.
When Americans try to pronounce Old English it gets too untrustworthy.
It’s like when High German speaking in Hamburg pronounce Low German (Plat Deutsch).
It sounds too High German. I have heard Old Plat Deutsch spoken, it’s a totally different melody and had a Dutch song/melody.
Low German is close to Frisian and Frisian is close to Old English.
Even in Denmark we have a hard time trying to imitate each other’s dialects.
By the way, I assume that there are dialectic or pronunciation differences in Icelandic too?
Where I come from in South Jutland we can hear a difference for each 10 km.
Is it easier for an Icelandic to understand/learn Danish (or Norsk Bokmål) than English?
Hugin We have a pretty common way of speaking in Iceland, but in Northern Iceland people speak more harshly. You can hear slight dialects when you speak to old people who grew up in more isolated farms but most people nowadays just speak in common Icelandic dialect.
I can't really say since I've known English since the age of 7 and only started learning Danish at the age of 12, but I would assume Danish, Bokmål and especially Nynorsk is easier to learn, since it's closer.
That blonde huge dude speaks and looks the role fantastically well.
Concerning wrong chronology. I season two of Vikings they mention ‘Svein Forkbeard’. He attacked London in the year 1013.
He was King of Denmark and son of Harald Bluetooth. Ragnar Lothbrok lived much earlier … if he really existed.
I love how tiny the armies are.
Both Vikings and Anglo Saxon’s had very similar armor and was way cooler than in this show
Waiting to see the Anglo Saxons end the viking invasions!
I watched a few episodes of the series and its miles better than most rubbish put out today,
don't know what's the fuss...britain is a combination of vikings,germans,celtic,romans and iberic people...it's a combination of northern and southern europe and a very proud one!!
STFU.
Yeah, in a few years, it will also have Middle Eastern, African and South Asian mixture to it. Very nice!
@@rohailsheikh9105 Ewww
@@rohailsheikh9105 Not nice at all
there's a definite anti-anglo saxon bias in this programme
still a bloody good show nonetheless
Yeah, they tried to make the Northumbrians out to be pussies. Truth is that they wouldn't be offering their medallions and talking about bribing them to go away. It would have been immediate carnage.
***** Something wrong? You seem a little upset.
***** Anglo-Saxon records show them successfully bribing norse raiders on several occasions. These were not pussy, but tactical and strategical moves. It gave them time to muster a larger force to defend against the norse next time they returned, which they always did.
TheLuNaTiK89 ***** it's not the bribing that I'm worried about in the show: the anglo saxons are all depicted as quivering in fear whilst desparately trying to save their skin. They wear silly-looking armour and helmets, and for reasons that I cannot make out seem to all have dark hair and eyes...
contrast this with the norsemen who are largely depicted as strong, handsome and aryan/germanic-looking, wearing no armour and showing zero fear.
you get the point
***** Your bitchy comment was typed by a bitch.
How to distinguish Vikings vs Anglo Saxons according to this show:
Vikings = no helmet
Anglo Saxons = helmet
Yes and apparently we are swarthy almost Mediterranean looking people lol. Most the Anglo-Saxons look French haha.
Ragnar was cheated out of some good Ale right here, that's the real reason he hates Floki.
love how they show this scene in the authentic languages to rly emphasize the cultural differences
Not so much different than you think, angles and saxons where basically neighbors of the jutes, almost same language and culture. Vikings would even use the same weapons and equipment as the saxons including fighting style.
It's just portrait that way so you can tell who is who
@@nd77u The Anglo-Saxon poem Beowulf was also brought over to East Anglia by the Wuffing clan, who appear to be descendants of the Danish king Hrothgar, whose wife was probably an Angle. The Angles in particular appear to have had close ties with the Danes and Geats, and lived incredibly close by in Jutland.
Old English and old Norse were very similar,the saxons n Vikings are not historically accurate and the cultural differences were pretty few
Studying both of these languages in part, and their histories, so this is helpful :)
I've been researching more about this event and I found that in 789 a group of 3 viking lobbyists sailed up to portland and the reeve of Dorchester named beaduheard thought they were trader's and himself with a few men went out to greet them. Then the vikings killed him and his men. Poor beaduheard :(
Didn't expect that viking tall guy at 1:54 is the voice of jarl ulfric stormcloak 😦😦
true
"No-one expects the Danish invasion!" ( Well, I just had to say that, didn't I? :o) )
The Vikings here are Norwegian
@@Felix-fx1zu Nonsense 🙄
I finally understand this scene now!! Rollo got a new necklace fitted for him as big as it was...and so Floki wanted one as well, although smaller of course lol
Fuck that looked good where can I watch this?
History channel season 2 just now ended almost two weeks ago. If you know your T.V. Provider you can watch the episodes on History channels website.
or on the internet, type "vikings history channel online free" on google
This scene was perfect in so many ways, my only gripe would be the armor and lack of colors
Gf: i think he's cheating on me right now I'm so done with him.
Me and the boys:
Loki..I mean Floki always starting some shit XD
My family on my mother's side our from Staffordshire. A very great Saxon part of England
Hello from Staffordshire, or should I say Mercia
As someone with both viking and anglo saxon heritage, this was the scariest thing I watched to be honest
In real history the “Vikings” were jsut as good as fighters as the Anglo Saxons on the battle field, however in this disgustingly innaccurate show they made the Anglo Saxons look weak
I live in holland and Old Norse is pretty understandable for me knowing dutch
Same for any other Germanic language
English speakers could understand the Saxons if written down.
alekzander2010 Mmm,not quite....Modern English is totally different from Old English (is not intelligible to me, an native speaker. As Old French became the dominant aristocratic language after the Normans for 350 years the sound shift and simplification of the language from the Middle Ages diverged the language rather dramatically from the other West Germanic languages like Frisian or Dutch. Therefore; I have huge problems in translating an Old Anglo-Saxon sentence like: "ġewurþe þīn willa, on eorðan swā swā on heofonum".....
What kind of dialet or language did they are speaking?
Is it an ancient english ( anglo-saxan) and the nordic language ( said by Ragnar's men)?
Angle old English and Danish
They are Angle the ancestors the English.
@@joannechisholm4501danish? It’s old Norse,probably west old Norse,not danish,danish split like around 1200 BC,much later than west Germanic languages from each other
1:52 WOW, now that is a Viking!
It's like the actors went back in time and borrowed an actual Viking
Yeah, but this man is actually a Slav. I mean actor.
Why would you not add the fight scene in..
This is soooo bullshit Saxons where verry good warriors
Christianity made them weak and stupid
crackshack2 Christianity can't make you weak or stupid.
***** Do you like to come to random people and comment laughing?
Aethewald Aedilric
after analyzing the book christians adhere to the bible
I must say there are lots pretty ridiculous laughable ignorant hypocritical contradictions that any man/woman who follows the dogwash will be less then what his true potential is
i want to know why the Anglos didnt instantly charge and try to kill the vikings
Anglo warriors ate vikings for goddamn breakfast
Was it really a trap? Or did Floki just fuck everything up?
can't be sure. but they knew church was raided by northmen. so it was dangerous
Sevv9220 Floki fucked it up I think 😂
Both.
They really made this scene good,I could feel teh fear in anglo saxon soldiers,I had that tension in my blood like its a real battle,they made this scene great.
Tenias que hablar compa rollo y la cagaste. Pero aun así eres la verga. De mis. Personajes favoritos
It's a terrible scene actually. Anglo Saxon beat the Vikings 9/10 when they dont run off after killing elderly, women and children before Anglo-saxons are alerted, smh the Vikings were actually the biggest cowards of the Germanic tribes!
army, thats not an army thats a group of 10 people
im not sure but i dont belive you call a small group of soldiers "an army" but idk
what language are they speaking now?
Old Norse and Old English
BrazenDirigibles thx so much!
Northumbrian dialect of Old English most probably. I believe the West Saxon dialect is the closest to modern English
BrazenDirigibles but how did vikings understand old english language?
I don't know. I've never seen the show.
Many everyday-words in English has derived from Danish or Donsk, ok, so now I understand why some Englishman explained his trip to Denmark to sound quite alike, when he heard other talk Danish to eachother in the start, he quickly discovered it wasn't English though.. also.. so many lovely soft d's.. I love them..
Scandinavian pronouns into Englisc, their them, nouns? many, skin skirt sky leg........ too many to mention.
A "soft d" is our version of the "eth"-sound - ca. -th, just slightly less pronounced than in English. We stop as soon as our tongues hit our front teeth, and don't stick out tongues out at people, unlike certain other folks - we are polite people, you see.
For example: både [boa'th-e] = both (!), hede [he'th-e] = heath,
fråde [froa'th-e] = froth, død [doe'th] = death, ved [veth] ~ with (originally ),
ned [neth] = down, as in be-neath, bad [bath] = bath,
måned [moa-ne'th] = month, fader [fa'th-er], moder [mo'th-er], broder [bro'th-er]
= father / mother / brother (!!!) ...
But our th-'s have all turned to d-'s now - thou = thu --> do, that = det etc.
Bjowolf2 Yes what abot the 'soft d'. I wonder if someone has researched where Danish, English and in fact Icelandic have the ‘soft’ ‘d’ from… Did the Danish Vikings use it too? , Did the English get it from Old Norse/”Dansk Tongue”?
Too bad they hadn’t invented the tape recorder back then ;-)
Hugin Well, it was probably a common feature from way back, which was later on lost
in Swedish & Norwegian.
The Icelanders still have their curly d ( eth)
to express this sound.
For some reason we have lost that, even though we still pronunce these soft ds.
including some now that werent there originally - for example "gade" [gath-e] vs. ON "gata" - as in modern Swedish.
But think of Jutish Law of 1241, which starts
with the words "Mæth logh skal land byggas" = Med lov skal land bygges / ... skal man land bygge " = "With law shall a nation (land) be built" ).
Here we still see this th-sound expressed in the writing - namely "mæth" vs. "med", which is act. pronounced [mæth] even today.
Hugin
da.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%90
Watching it again, I feel sorry for the sheriff
"Are you traders?"
"Yes, traders."
"What do you trade?"
"Can't you see? I thought it was quite obvious. We trade axes and shields."
It’s just hilarious because genetically Danes, Angles, Jutes and Saxons are so close you wouldn’t even see the difference, same goes for the culture AND the language. At this point in time the languages were still mutually intelligible and they would’ve worn the same kind of clothing and so forth.
They’re making it seem like a huge clash of cultures which it really wasn’t. The adaptation of xtianity was a recent one for the English, so they were still quite familiar with Germanic paganism too.
floki is like if you are giving away shit don't leave me out. the look on his face tho they should leave his ass at home
You know, I find it rather disturbing that people actually relate these people to be figures that they look up to (despite this being a show, I'm pretty sure that at least half of the fans should know how bad they were).
The Vikings were known for being the one of the (if not, the most) brutal warriors in their time and we have the evidence to support that.
Thats why we love them all hail the god Ivar
And yet we love Ragnar and Lagertha and Floki anyway
Super old comment now, but there's nothing disturbing about a group of people retaliating against a monastery whose chief priest and scholar, Alcuin, was head religious advisor in Charlemagne's Carolingian court, where he conspired to have Frankish forces push through Saxony and Jutland and into Denmark, beyond the Danevirke, to further forcibly spread Christianity. And this was after decapitating almost 5,000 Saxons, just ever so slightly south of the wall. The Danes, having a culture of oath swearing, loyalty, gift-giving (ring-giving), honesty, and honor, weren't particularly interested in also having all their heads cut off in brutal, bloody fashion by the very Roman Christians who'd inherited their political tactics from that former empire, home of the gory colosseum and quintessential imperial backstabbing and conniving, and so took matters into their own hands. This is not to say that, when taken as a whole on a centuries-long timespan, the Scandinavians were entirely innocent themselves, even prior to the corrupting influence of Christianity, but the majority of the brutality of the world at that time was the result of fear of outsiders, famines, and overpopulation, and neither side was free of guilt in their quests for the survival of their people; but of course, if anything, it was definitely the Christians and their Crusades-loving Church leaders whose violence was of a more tactical, political, power-seeking character.
The bottom line: This is a TV show, and a somewhat dumb one at that, and if you think the characters in the show are what the historical figures on which they are based were like, you should probably turn off the TV and go do some research.
That sheriff guy was nice I hope he survived I think he just got knocked out.
I didn't know there was a movie? that's cool anyway but sucks for that dude
+Mr Gobol there isn't
I liked the sheriff. At least he intended for them all to be peaceful.
+Mr Gobol He died, Jon Snow chopped his head off.
The leather armour in this just looks laughable. They would have worn mail and iron or leather jerkins. This stuff has obviously been brought from a LARP store and passed off as "Historically accurate". And not one of those men looks like a real man of the time would. They would have been weathered, hard faced men who would've greeted the Vikings with a great deal of suspicion, if not hostility.
This show never passed on as historically accurate and it didn't ever need to..
Wow, who did the dubbing? I thought the TV-show was in modern English? This is great stuff.
Well that escelated quikly
It did, didn't it? Yeah, it jumped up a notch!
So did the Anglo-Saxon speak scandinavian here or is ragnar speaking anglo saxon? So confused.
Ragnar learned with athelstan
This was before he met Athelstan wasn't it? Their first landing
i think this was after their sacking of the monastery... Ragnar returns after Athelstan tells him about Northumbria and how King Aelle is rich as fuck.
aimannorzahariwod
Oh! I'll have to rewatch the series I think :D
Northern European People could comprehend Old English and
Old Norse.
Old English sounds nice, interesting and charming, without this vocabulary from Latin and French like in today's English
+krl1831 there is french in english?, can you give me an example
+World's Future Leader people, journey, continue
what is that in french?
+World's Future Leader these English(today) words just derive from French
+krl1831 It's frysian
This scene really captures some of the tension of actual violence...
Bleh, I've seen worse.
Women on the raid? Seriously? Isn't this more 21st century than 9th century?
Gordonblues they had shield maidens which are woman warriors
Gordonblues no, shieldmaidens were very common in the 8th century to the 10th century. Until Christianity came along and made them 2nd class citizens. Unless you were Queen Gunnild..
Rather have a Nordic women fighting next to me than you. Unless you are a Nordic women? :D
That actually did happen, probably not super common but it not unheard of. Just like there actually were black Vikings in the later years of the Viking Age that came about because Vikings would let promising folk who were an asset to the shield wall join their crews.
Yes, the viking-series clearly rides the gender-mainstream of today.
There are not much evidence of female viking warriors and its not very belivable that woman fought in a shieldwall on a regular base (definately not a small girlie-girl like Katheryn Winnick). But im sure that a lot of woman of that age definately were capable of defending themself.
Because in the nordic society, the gender roles were more equal then in the later christian period. Woman enjoyed a wider range of freedom and self-determination and for sure a lot of woman learned to fight at least with an axe, a knife or a spear. At least the settlers who went to the danelaw in england or iceland or even vineland knew that they were in a potential hostile region and you can count on it that the wife of a nordic settler definately knew how to defend her home.
But these women were not looking like 21th century actresses. Those were hard working farmers and used to a life of hard work.
Anyone know what episode this was?
Not particularly but I do know it was released in the first season of the show.
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For those discrediting the Anglo-Saxons historical place pre Christianity please take note. They were pagan, Their main God Woden corresponds with the Norse Odin. The days of the week are Monday(Moonday) Tuesday (Tyrsday) Wednesday (Woden or Odin's day) Thursday (Thur, Thunor or Thor's day) Friday (Frigg or Freya's day) and Saturday (Roman God Saturn's day). Just saying this Viking superiority is a little bit overblown. See the Alfred The Great or the Battle of Stamford Bridge to see the Anglo Saxons weren't all pathetic easily beaten bags of pus compared to the Viking 'supermen' bullshit story
Fuck sorry I forgot Sunday which is the day of the sun
+Spentastic Alfred was a christian....
+Spentastic tired of this bullshit, they didn't be live in Odin, there don't exist any sources on their mythology, it's assumed to be parallel to Norse Mythology but that's assumptions.
Yup, showing this in my World History class tomorrow.
Not a good idea as it doesn't really tell you anything about viking or saxons.
Just going to provide a few minutes of entertainment. Nothing more. Thanks for trying to tell me how to do my job though.
Adam Fleitman Well, you're the one who said you're showing it. And if you present this show to students in a way that gives them the impression that it is the slightest bit historically accurate, then you're a lousy teacher.
Floki god damnit you can't just take peoples' things like that-
I feel really bad for that Saxon who was trying to make peace.