I'm hoping they do something where the first half of the show is Lucifer is shown as "good" atleast to Charlie and just the second half of the show being the main antagonist of the show
i actually have a theory that originally lucifer intended for all of the pride ring to function like the hotel but ultimately failed and the reson he is unsupportive of charlie is because he doesn't want her to be disappointed like he was
@@aawallace98 tbh I feel like that's something he would do and considering he's the sin of pride he doesn't want to put out that he tried to make that work but failed in the process. I also think Charlie's mom (Lilith) might be supporting this idea because she thinks charlie could make it happen because she doesn't seem to be as prideful as her father and has people helping, while Lucifer (being the person he is) put a UNHEALTHY amount of pride into the idea and didn't want the help of others that caused it to crash. You're really good at making theorizes! You even got me thinking lol.
its a scary thought at the end. by culling the weak demons every year the strong grow stronger. the power they fear is being bred by their actions. the only thing really keeping this from coming true is that sinners are more into their own benefit and not so much conquest. with alastor being as strong as he is it makes me wonder what the princes think of him.
I think it was at some point said that Lucifer has a mutual respect with alastor after his arrival and displays of power. Though it also seems that alastor understands he's a small fry next to Lucifer or the other beings directly created by god, like stolas as it was confirmed that in raw power stolas us more powerful than alastor as I assume the higher ranking of the goetia are
@@lando8295 It was rather stated, that if Alastor and Lucifer were to meet each other, Alastor would be in no way scared of Lucifer and they would mutually respect each other as well. It was also stated that Stolas, as part of the Ars Goetia should have more power than Alastor (although it was also stated, that even the creator does not know the ceiling of Alastor's full power nor the full range of his abilities (and capabilities).
@@szabosandor8783 fair enough, I must admit my specific quoting knowledge is a little fuzzy. But I think my theory still stands on the actual power comparisons, and I think that heaven born entities (the higher ranking ones of course, not cherubs) have some of the greatest natural power, to a point that someone like charlie (even if only in raw potential) dwarfs alastor and other overlords
I'm pretty sure it's an overpopulation thing. Since all sinners are confined to the pride ring then it's extremely overpopulated so violence is encouraged in order to keep things manageable. Since it's Lucifer's decree that sinners can't go to the other rings, it would be logically...his fault
I believe Viv said that the angels are altered by Hell's energy when they visit. That may explain the horns and the need for masks. A word that we could use for Heaven's counterpart for sinners is saints. Adam would be a saint and the cherubs would be Heavenborn.
I think it would be really weird if they called every person that died and went to heaven a “saint” because saints are actually few exceptional humans that are recognized and officialized as such by the church. However, calling dead people that went to heaven “angels” wouldn’t be that weird, because we actually say things like this lol “don’t worry son, now your little sister is a little angel in heaven and she’s looking out for you!” Things like that.
@@xxmension04xx47I think that is bc the real Adam would be in hell as he is one reasons humans even go to hell along with Eve and he betrayed god. So I think he was just named after him
Adam is just a high ranking Angel. Lucifer is THE archangel of angels. The only one i can think of that would be close to Lucifer in power is Michael. I hope we'll see more angels in the show! Especially Gabriel. He/she is the holder of the horn that opens the gates of heaven so maybe if someone gets redeemed, Gabriel will show up ☺
In the Bible, it's stated that we are made in the image of God. When we die and go to heaven, we will become like God. So, becoming an angel is actually a downgrade. Angel literally means "messager of God." Why would the Viziepop crew make the first human an angel instead of a reverend type character who commands a legion of angels? Don't get me wrong, the Rockstar aspect is fine, and even taking the role Exterminator is interesting, but why an angel?
@@Ash__1991 yeah, and I sometimes think lilth as a man pretending to be a girl who left the garden and turned into the first female demon so she could have kids when I read some versions from other people's view of the bible.
@@Ash__1991 If so, there has to be a reference to how Islam views the belief in angels as women as evil and goes on about it for a weirdly long amount of time.
Imagine if we get to see Alastor playing the angels for fools. It would absolutely fit into his character to benefit the hotel, so he gets his entertainment, as well as screwing the angels over for even MORE entertainment. After all, to him, the world is a stage, and a stage is a world of entertainment.
@dapper dabber How could he possibly defeat the powerful angels (unless he is one himself or a true demon)? They can alter minds, which we know from when Gabriel removes a man's ability to speak (not the vocal chords, as that couldn't heal instantly, and that is not the wording used). They could just leave him in a coma if they felt like it.
@@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana yea but don’t think that is in the show, I might be wrong here because I didn’t watch the live streams, also think they meant the cherubs rather than the powerful angels themselves
@@MarshyMellow1223 Well if you are going to apply logic to the universe to predict things, a lot of things in the show doesn’t make sense. Mostly because the pop culture view on the supernatural topics doesn’t make any sense. Partially because the show’s world is retroactively built around moral issues rather than doing its own thing. Though we got a true demon appearance when the Helluva boss gang got trapped. I was really disappointed they didn’t go with a demon was controlling the entire anti demon organisation, because it would be a good showcase of their power and make for a memorable moment. Though this certainly isn’t the stupidest use of demon powers I have seen in fiction where true demons are a rarity. Though any one with true demons in it a lot eventually gives them better motives and actions due to the cognitive dissonance needed to believe this is sensible not being enough.
Wait Adam?! As in the first man?! That Adam?! Ohhh boy if that's the same one, that is pretty unexpected. And makes a lot of sense why he doesn't like Lucifer or Lilith. Lilith did kind of say screw you in the garden before being banished and Lucifer did marry her instead.
Maybe Lucifer and Lillith married because they both hate Adam. Lillith hate him because Adam demand some kind of patriarchy and God's permitted it. Lucifer hate him because God made Adam as a superior to Lucifer. Maybe Adam is some kind of spoiled child because he being God's favorite. Feels kinda realistic and related relationship if their marriage started with that same hatred toward Adam. And maybe Lillith and Lucifer are not really a bad person. Maybe Heaven is the place of authotity, and no one can think differently. So people there always following rules like puppets. And Hell is land of freedom as long as you can survive it.
@@quincyconnors9391 at time she really did think she was above Adam though. I still find it funny because they’re personalities were very similar and so were their attitudes and it’s come on… you really expected them NOT TO CLASH?
One comment I remember hearing was that angels and demons have different forms when visiting the opposite realm. It might be that the exterminators ware the LED masks in hell to hide that, or it could be that they act like radiation suits to keep them from feeling the effects and fully changing form.
So I was thinking after Deepcut said if Adam could fight Lucifer, just imagine if later on in the show they actually have a brawl. Lucifer vs Adam when?
Also, I love the idea that Lucifer is still serving Heaven in his own way by keeping Hell under control. It's a very Hades-esque interpretation of the character, and I love me some Greek myth.
He is also the angel of Divine fire and light, I really hope we're going to see Raphael the angel of healing, I hope he is sweet, kind hearted and careing , not some sort of jerk that just do his job cause he was told to do it .
Depends on how they'll adapt the story. Depending on how much they take from Paradise Lost, which a lot of stories involving Lucifer do, Sin and Death both exist because of him.
@@Kwiitchi nope, you're wrong. He's called the "Angel of death" because he's a guide for the souls whose body died He's totally an angel of God and has nothing to do with grim reaper. In the other hand, grim reaper is death itself
@@josuesolar1771 Michael is asisting him as well, but in Christianety Archangel Michael is the one that is doing this only and is also the angel of the apocalips .
"Unlike the sinners, who are known to have features they hate, and thus are stuck hating aspects of himself, for the rest of existence such as Angel Dust with his feet." This leaves me wondering about characters like Alastor; if this is the case, I can't see anything about Al that he hates about himself. He just seems entirely content not only being in Hell, but with everything about himself....I'm wondering if any of Alastor's family ended up in heaven...a common fan theory is that his mother of course did, which would lead to some interesting confrontations in the show since it looks like we DO get to see Extermination Day play out.
I can see Alastor hating the antler horns on his head as it would remind him of his death. While he may not be bothered being in Hell, I can see him hating being reminded of his death because he may see it as a moment of lack of awareness.
Some fans believe that Alastor has a deer tail, this could very likely be the thing that Alaster hates about himself because IF he does have a deer tail he seems to always keep it hidden underneath his clothes.
Oh I didn't think about the antlers and tail....the tail I can definitely see him hiding because people IMMEDIATELY would think it's cute, which....he'd probably HATE. As for the antlers I can see him hating that moment of being caught unaware which would in turn lead to why (I THINK I could be wrong) he never sleeps.
Alastor is an interesting cookie. He seems to be at peace with ending up in hell, like he was so far gone that ethernal damnation was right in his opinion. Wich make an interesting challange for charlie.
@@MrRobot-0 I really don't think Charlie could get Alastor to change even if she tried. "The chance they had was the life they lived before the punishment is THIS! There is no undoing what is done." Al is indeed very interesting. He seems to have his own code, does seem to respect women, unless they point an angel tipped blade at him, and doesn't seem to just outright attack unless he's the one provoked. He also seems to be close enough with Husk and Niffity that they aren't really all that surprised by him, or his outburst at the end. He also seems to be on friendly terms with Rosie, another cannibal. So he's not exactly a lone wolf as many think. But would he come to care about the Hazbin crew? Remains to be seen.
I wonder if any other angels from theology are in the show. I thinking something along the lines of saints like Gabriel and Michael. As for Angel's sister she (in the show lore) she may have been different from the rest of her family. Also the cause of her demise may have been self sacrifice on her part. Just a hypothesis though.
Michael and Gaberial were angels and not saints. Saints are humans. Idk why they call them saints when they were never humans in the first place. But they are arch angels.
Angels are terrifying. In the Bible, Gabriel straight-up removes a man's ability to speak. Not by the voice box, as he regains it instantaneously. Gabriel literally went into someone's mind and altered it from within. I am kind of sick of media depowering angels and demons. Sure they are both basically invincible in a fair fight, but you could easily give them a motive tangential to the humans/protagonists. Many stories do that and manage to make a compelling plot without depowering them. In fact, it forces the story to be a mind game, rather than mindless punching, with is a good thing. I wish they just showcase the true strength of true angels and true demons, which can give the story a sense of scale and give it weight.
I'm so exited,I've been waiting for an episode to come because hazbin hotel was 3 years ago! Let's hope we get to see all the interesting characters, like Adam,Lute and Lucifer!
The more we get hints about Heaven and get peaks at Heaven characters like Adam. The more I’m starting to realize that Heaven is not all what it’s cracked up to be. That perhaps someone is better down there than up there
That's a big fan theory that was fed by the opening of HelluvaBoss ep4 CHERUBS. When Collin is filling out that massive pile of paperwork (with NO help) there is a poster on the wall with a quote signed by God. I can't remember the exact wording but basically says to dump the people you can't use.
If anything it reminds of that musical The Devil's Carnival, it has Heaven be this like dictator place. Almost like Nazi Germany, while Hell is this crazy circus. However if you watch the prequel for that film Alleluia! The Devil's Carnival!, you kind of understand that Hell's resident are more sympathetic. That Heaven is very nit picky while Hell is basically like society just a tad more violent.
I...honestly hope that's not the case as it significantly fucks up the narrative. I'd rather have heaven be a place that the cast can reach towards and become better people for. I REALLY don't want it to be that heaven sucks too. It just feels...lazy and not as narratively cohesive if this show is about redemption as it claims to be
@@BuckerydogSchmuckeryDog Yeah, just doing a complete 180 on whose the good guys and who are the bad guys is one of the laziest and dumbest "twists" out there.
The Exorcist angels have a fair bit in common with Powers an order of angels from actual Christian lore, Powers are angels largely dedicated to fighting fallen angels and demons which is pretty similar to the Exorcists A somewhat unrelated detail is that Lucifer is likely a fallen Seraphim, the highest order of angels being just below God, so their likely aren't many angels above Lucifer that could smite him, that being said in Christian lore the Cherubim are the order just below Seraphim yet in Helluva Boss the cherubs seem pretty low down in the heaven hierarchy comparable to imps so Viv seems to be taking creative liberties so it's hard to say how similar to real lore things will be
In hazibin lore? Maybe, but that would suck because it would make them the biblically inaccurate version of seraphim, and I would rather go the old Jewish Verizon of the seraphim. If we are talking about real life, then yeah no, he wasn't a seraphim as all the evidence and media surrounding him from pre-medieval times and early medieval times depicts him as anything but a seraphim, and he disguises himself as a CHERUB just to TALK TO THE SERAPHIM. Plus, as stated old seraphim didn't look like the modern Six winged humans versions, nor the clump of wings with eyes like they do today. And he was said to beautiful because of how much humanoid like and glowing he was. Something the more lower angels looked like. But yeah, the powers is a comment I made as being a possible inspiration for exorcists. I wonder if a group will be like the virtues and the other one group, which would be the politicians, gardeners, and farmers of angels dealing with the fauna & flora of the world & afterlife like with the dogs souls as a reference to the movie "all dogs go to heaven."
@@zionthedragon8866 Well I mean Lucifer's throne in the art of him looks like a dark Seraphim with black wings and red eyes so maybe that's a hint? also I'm not an exert on this stuff just to be clear
@@nathanblackburn1193 red eyes have nothing to do with seraphim irl, and what *do* you think a seraphim looks like? I am thinking of the [old] Torahic accurate seraphim. Not the equivalent naked human seraphim that is basically like the naked baby cupid cherub comparison for them. The baby and naked human with six wings are both the modern cutesized version of them. But irl, Lucifer was never a seraphim in any known writings as far as we know, and it would be wrong to suggest otherwise on this fact. At the most he was possibly one of the political angels [forgot their name ATM] who can seduce and influence men & women so easily and tell them the secrets. Hazbin it may be different, but irl not the case. I hope hazbin doesn't go the "lucifer was a seraphim and they are six winged humanoid angels" route, as I am tired of that modernized and boring down grade of the seraphim.
@@zionthedragon8866 What? I mean in Lucifer's Hazbin art he's sitting on a throne that has the back designed to look like a bunch of black wings with red eyes on them, aren't traditional Seraphim a bunch of wings with eyes? Plus Lucifer in Hazbin could be concealing his true form
@@nathanblackburn1193 the modern version is a pair of wings with eyes AND the human with six wings, just how cherubs are totally naked cupid babies. Which is why I hope they don't name drop seraphim as that, and instead use them for something else and have Lucifer be a different angel and not recreate him in this world's lore to be a former seraphim.
Also I just noticed the layer that you made for 7 hells are actually kind of like the color of the rainbow like Charlie says 🎶inside of every demon is a rainbow🎶
This is the kind of content I can’t wait to see! I’m so excited for Hazbin! For awhile, there’s only so much excitement I could have for a pilot. After some time, I moved on from it and now I’m so happy to see not just new designs, but new characters as well. I love Adam’s angelic look too, I always love stories with angels and demons so it’s nice to see them both!
Here’s how I think the Heaven Hierarchy will go from top to bottom God (naturally) Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, Uriel and Azrael (the princes of Heaven, this is where I believe Lucifer was) Jesus (if he exists in the show I can see him being a high-ranking figure) Adam (I personally think the Exorcists are elite soldiers apart of Heaven’s military and Adam is the “general” or whatever it’s called also since he was the first human made in God’s image in makes sense that he’d be ranked so high) The Seraphim (said to be the highest ranking Angels and may be the Heaven equivalent of the Ars Goetia) Archangels (possibly the equivalent of Overlords) Exorcists Saints (obviously they’d be above natural Angels since God loves them so much) Natural Angels like Cherubs
yeah no Micheal Gabriel and etc are archangels. It’s said that seraphim’s are next to gods throne so they would be top and throne angels would be up there too
I know Michale and Gabriel are archangels the reason I put them so high is because they are Lucifer’s brothers and thus should be higher than the other angels
@@HanaBanana08 I agree, if some are mirrored of Hell, makes sense then for the son of God be next and above others. Like how Charlie is just under her father Lucifer (save for her mother) and is above others in Hell.
In some of the lore regarding Lucifers fall he does turn into a red dragon form before being officially defeated by Michael. And when Charlie does go to her full demon form, she does take on dragon like features.
Uh, no? Horns and wings are a common thing on demons, also he took the form of a hydra using the modern definition of a dragon in the modern christian "new" testament, and that was purely symbolic, just like the usage of serpent and snake for him, as snake and reptiles are used more symbolically than literally. Also, did you not see Adam with horns? Those features you call "dragon" are not just a hell or Lucifer thing.
@@laranakeyaleicen There is an image created by Albrecht Dürer called 'St. Michael slaying the Dragon". Created in 1498. In the image the ArchAngel Michael is fighting a seven headed dragon, with each of the heads representing each of the seven sin. In biblical mythology Lucifer faced Michael in battle. When he was being bested by his brother Angel, Lucifer took on the form of a dragon. Unfortunately, despite taking this form he was ultimately defeated by Michael and sent plunging into Hell.
@@lapwing1111I mean, sure, he wanted to take the place of God, but he was also the one angel that wanted free-will for the others angels. Because yes that's a thing.
I like to think that there are 7 circles of heaven, one for the heavenly virtues. They aren't set above eachother, because that would imply that some angels are less valued than others (We can't have that imperfections, can we?) and Humility (The opposite of Pride) would be set in the center, with the other circles in a spiral around it. However, the further out the circle is, the lower down to earth it is. It isn't noticeable, but when angels do, they just reason its easiest for angels like Gabriel to fly to earth. This is just a lil' headcanon I have.
Was definitely not expecting the Adam and Lute reveal and that’s definitely an interesting theory at the end about what started the extermination. It would alleviate Heaven’s fear of the Sinners rebelling and Hell (or at least the Pride Ring) would get the energy from those erased.🤔 Plus, Lucifer would still get the pleasure of taking those souls away from Heaven. I wouldn’t be surprised if the suits were to keep the exterminators from being corrupted by Hell (whether it’s just exposure to the environment or if it could happen if they were bitten/scratched by anyone there 🤔). Excited either way to found out.😉
I feel like there may be a possibility that the reason angels may want to busy themselves is due to heaven being boring, if you’re in bliss constantly it doesn’t feel like bliss anymore.
Angels can mess with human minds, which we know from their ability to remove speech (not the physical action, but the mental capacity to formulate thoughts in a language). They could busy themselves using their vast supernatural powers, and just lightly messing with the humans.
Angels are immensely powerful, able to remove human's mental ability to speak (as in conceptualise language). They probably have something to do, otherwise, they can just prank the humans.
I kind of think the opposite. Every high ranking being and the archangels must be so busy with work. Keeping the blessed happy, maintaining heaven, deciding who goes to heaven, watching the galaxy and overall doing various work in earth and hell.
My personal theory for the structure in Heaven so far is that it will be more pop culture based than biblical. Like with the Cherubim being based on the imagery of renaissance era cupid, while the biblical Cherubim are very powerful creatures. Instead, focus mainly on 7 Archangels (Michael, Raphael and Gabriel definitely being among them) as equivalents for the 7 princes of hell, corresponding to 7 heavenly virtues such as charity, diligence, humility etc. with a spin on them being insufferable and hypocritical. There's also a possibility that there're 6 Archangels since Lucifer would be one before his fall and Adam replacing him, adding to the my-wife's-ex rivalry and possible sky daddy's favourite rivalry between Lucifer and Adam. I really don't think Jesus would make an appearance since it would be too touchy touchy and a no no from the business side of the things. And then add some Thrones and Seraphim once or twice as biblical angels for the memes. I imagine they'd be akin to Ars Goetia demons.
Actually there may be some truth to appearance to C.H.E.R.U.B crew. Some descriptions say they have one face of a human, one of a bull and one of a lion. So who knows maybe they will evolve into C.H.E.R.U.B by merging their souls together?
I think horns form when the angels come down from heaven and into hell. So Their true, heavenly forms, may not have horns and only when they are down in hell do they have hellish forms. It might also show why they wear hazmat like suits, So that their bodies don't get more corrupt by the evil energy that hell has, or that they can still contain their own holy energy so they can return back to heaven.
It’ll be interesting to see whether the show goes with Lucifer being cast out of heaven for rebelling or being assigned hell to manage it!😮i prefer the former but if it’s the latter I won’t mind. Both options are enticing!
If Adam is in fact the first human God created, than Lucifer and him have history which could make for some awkward and interesting interactions between the two
Yeah he hated him because Adam without any merit was created as a supperior to him. And his wife is Adam's ex-wife who in the past Adam demanded her to be submissive wife
I imagine the reason why they would never kill Lucifer is like the reasoning Amenadiel wanted Lucifer to go back to hell in the TV show Lucifer, there always has to be someone who rules Hell to keep everything functioning and everyone in line. If Lucifer is taken out then another angel would have to take his place and in the context of Hazbin Adam would most likely be next in line since he is God's right hand man
I think there are many other fallen angels in Hellaverse besides Lucifer, and besides if he disappeared then his daughter Charlie would take over the throne
@@Mirartium736 I think Osmodeus is supposed to be in Fallen Angel as well but I'm not sure. And yeah Charlie would be next in line so yeah you're right, but on the other hand she is openly against the extermination and we all know the vast majority of Hell doesn't want to be redeemed and actually like the extermination for the simple fact that it boosts up their businesses. Look at the pilot we have a but you're taking parts from the street to reuse as meat for his shop, have two characters taking a holy weapon to most likely use or sell on the black market so it can be melted down into different weapons like the sniper rifle, and even Rosie who might be a reoccurring character being a friend of Alastor became the sole owner of that shop she co-owned when her was exterminated. So my point being if Charlie did become leader of hell and failed to get people to become redeemed most likely Angels would have her smited and have someone else put in charge but we'll have the extermination as planned normally. But that's just a theory of something that might not even come up as an issue
In Hazbin hotel though Charlie is the heir to the throne. So if Lucifer is killed then I presume Charlie will take over or worst case scenario Lilith will. So I don’t think Hazbin Hotel has the same issue that the Lucifer TV show does.
@@Allthingsasian I mentioned in a separate comment that Charlie would most likely try to Institute her Rehabilitation method but of course most sinners won't go for that and they would most likely have to bring back the extermination. But Lilith would be a good candidate as well
I'm assuming the exorcists are like a black ops of archangels, and I doubt Adam outranks Lucifer. I don't think he's powerful enough to take him on personally.
I think the same. According to Vivziepop, exorcists are quite low in the hierarchy of Heaven, unlike Great Archangels (like Lucifer) who are literally right below God in the hierarchy
@@Mirartium736 yeah that's true I actually follow another UA-cam page that studies all form of mythology and judeo Christian folklore and I remember a video on the hierarchy of angels and demons.
I imagine my own version of Heaven hierarchy- God (King) Goddess (Queen) Jesus (Prince) 7 holy virtues Seraphs Demi-lords Saints Dominions/Thrones Heaven kittens Cherubs
@@goddessbettyd5614 some of thought sounds bizarre and doesn't seem like what's going to happen, but most of this could happen minus a few things. Unless vizi just wants to completely more "gods" to contridict with Abrahamic religions all round. I mean yeah to a small degree she has done that, with exorcists being the replacement for powers, but atleast they have some merit or basis in pre-existing stuff. Like some head canons I can understand, but some I can't to a degree.
I do not know how well this translates to the show, but the usual jobs of the angels (Simplified): Lower class angels (Angels, Archangels, Principalities) figure out what needs to be done on Earth and get it done. Several angels (or Cherubs, as the show calls them) serve an archangel, and several archangels serve under a Principality. Principalities are like Regional Managers and oversee all angelic activity for a specified group or area on Earth, e.g. the Angel of Portugal is responsible for Portugal. Middle class angels (Powers, Virtues, Dominions) carry out special missions like fighting evil, performing emergency interventions, moving the stars around, and generally translating God's Will into actionable plans for the lower angels to carry out. The Powers are the most like the Exorcists - Their job is to go fight Evil wherever it is. The Virtues are notable for being the highest rank of angel to interact with living humans on a regular basis- they perform special interventions, provide inspiration, and control the natural universe. The Dominions, the highest ranking angels in this group, translate God's will into actual plans for the lower-ranking angels to carry out. Dominions, which are addressed as Lord/Your Lordship, strike me as the angelic equivalent of the Ars Goetia. Upper class angels (Ophanim/Wheels/Thrones, Cherubim, Seraphim), who act as God's escorts and yesmen. Their entire existence revolves around God, around serving and praising God. They never get involved with Earthly affairs (save for the one Cherubim assigned to protect the Garden of Eden), and a living human might die or go mad in their presence.
(Obviously my opinion, others might think differently) so, ok listen I like the character design for Adam I think it’s cool, but tbh I expected more out of this design if he’s the literal Leader of The Exterminators, like you know what I’m saying
Completely. For all the praise on Vivzie’s art style, designs, and stories, she really seems to not put much effort when it comes to heaven and it’s people.
I might be wrong but Viziepop did say that other religions will be explored in the show so is it possible that for example we could be Buddhism which believes in reincarnation so we might see a person in hell who is trying to redeem themselves be able to fully redeem themselves through a new life then seeing if they go to heaven or hell
Hell in Buddhism, known as Naraka, in Naraka you aren’t sent there by Divine Punishment but rather accumulation of negative karma, also torment in Naraka isn’t forever but it can last from hundreds of millions to sextillions of years, and it has purpose it’s meant to purge you of negative karma so you can get reincarnated into a better life, I would love to see some Dharmic ideas work their way into Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss, I mean heck the Angels themselves could be classified as Devas (Gods) and heck even the Devas are not immortal they can live for quintillions of years but still a finite number
Islam ,Christianity ,Judaism are partially the same. I hope they don't break it up with it making it an avarage of all of them. Buddism, Shinto should be looked into but older and newer ones would be also interesting. Also i wonder how cults will be shown.
I want an episode with Charlie’s hiding a bunch of sinners within a hotel, an angel trying to bust down the door or trying to get in and Lucifer just stops in the middle and just like we see his power that would be so cool
@@kingd3799 I personally hope that Lucifer tries to be a good dad, but he inevitably keeps screwing up. For example, he might have said that the hotel wouldn't work since the sinners are too degenerated and he probably thinks that the sinners would try to use her and hurt her. He clearly doesn't mind providing the hotel and the resources. However, he probably screwed up with the delivery, since Charlie thinks that he doesn't believe in her, and that he provided the hotel because he wanted to see her fail.
i don't know but based on how they only wear masks and follow orders almost mechanically i suggest the hypothesis that the Exterminators are machines with slight sentience , and as for the idea that they fear that sinners might become strong enough that they do the exterminations to stop their possible "rebellion" is basically what my OC Acricius is , a sinner strong enough that heaven fears him , everything that happens in the story im working on is non canon except what i know already , the rest is made up stuff that doesn't fit Viv's story , but i still need to work on these things.....
Me personally, I kinda want the angels to represent order and law, while demons are chaos and freedom. Like complementaries but also contradictions that don’t get along to well in the extremes. Having both protagonist and antagonist angels and demons would be interesting too. But I’m excited to see where vivziepop and the crew take it either way! I also wondered if there was going to be no free will in heaven like yk how it would actually function. But the cherubs had free will, making them very human… So does that mean all angels and virtues ( humans that became angels ) have free will? If so.. that would mean you could get kicked out of heaven very easily once you get there making heaven quiet, empty and underpopulated. And if they don’t get kicked out they would probably have to “purify” themselves somehow. maybe even it’s forced by some authority. This could make heaven an authoritarian dystopia, just 1984 but abrahamic addition. Since they all have free will in heaven, this means that they will mess up at some point. Making heaven’s system not perfect… So they either get kicked out, or god suppresses the sin in heaven by covering it up or rehabilitating the angels with free will to keep up the whole paradise appearance. While Yahweh or some high ranking angel keeps majority of heaven population ignorant to keep angels from realizing the sin in heaven; and to keep humans believing it’s paradise. This could make for an interesting dystopia where heaven is an authoritarian dystopia, opposite of hells anarchy dystopia. And humans having to pick their poison of an afterlife when they die. Believing that one is good and one is bad even though they both have flaws. Maybe there’s a group of protagonists or just a single angel in heaven as a protagonist, along with the ones we know in hell. And protagonist/protagonists in heaven and hell start off fighting each other because of their species relationship for the past thousands of years. As well as other angels and demons convincing them to fight each other because their supposed to be each-others enemy. But end up realizing that they have similar goals of coexistence and fixing their broken systems that they live in. Along with groups of antagonist angels and demons representing the cruel extremes and products of the dystopias they live in. God himself could be seen as a cruel iron fisting dictator rather than a righteous loving father. The possibilities are endless! I doubt that’s the direction of the show but its an interesting thought. But that’s just what happens when you humanize angels and demons, god and Lucifer. Anyway I’m done rambling it’s just really interesting. And I’m curious to see the direction of the show. :)
In my point of view heaven and hell are coming from the same point but in different ways. Hell is having the freedom to do what you want regardless of how it effects others. Heaven is having the freedom and free will.... but realizing what their choices do to others and either preventing, undoing or making up for it. Both are centered around free will and freedom. It's just how you use it that defines heaven or hell. Why would God be a dictator when they made the universe. If God wanted everything to be good and holy, then he wouldn't have made freedom and free will. God gave all of creation options and choices, letting them explore the world as themselves. Gods more like a parent letting their children make their own mistakes and their own lives, no matter how miserable they make it or if it hurts them. It's their lives, not the parents. Thats why the cherubs are kicked out of heaven. They particpated in taking a life and didn't realize their part in it, blaming IMP instead. They didn't recognize what their actions had done and didn't seek to make it right. Hence the boot. Lucifer fell because of his pride - his own pride did not let him see, admit or retify what his rebellion did to creation. Hence given the boot.
When the exorcist angels come to mind, think of the Purge. The angels basically have it made etc, think of them as the rich and wealthy bored out of their minds with no blood, no gore, no violence and not really much of anything sparking any kind of excitement and then what comes to their minds to clear steam and do whatever they want? (The Purge.) And while in hell the rest are all the unlucky ones (Sinners) all in the streets getting slaughtered.
I know that horns are common on Christan demons because they are supposed to represent a broken halo. Perhaps exterminators, and maybe more than a few former humans, have horns because they are barely allowed in heaven. Even though they make the cut they still have a vice that could get them tossed if it goes too far. For example I actually think most of the exterminators are actually humans that enjoyed violence on earth, but didn't overly indulge in it to counter their good deeds. So as reward theses individuals are given a holiday where they can actually indulge in it past the point it would be called sin, extermination day.
I think most exterminators were probably soldiers or cops when they were alive. Since killing is one of the highest sins in the bible they might have been automatically marked to go to hell but lived righteously enough that they were allowed into heaven, thus giving them the ability to travel to hell and resistance to demonic energy. They might be considered too strong willed or desensitized to act of murder for it corrupt them
With the sinner demons having characteristics on their bodies that they hate, I was curious about something. I'm autistic. Certain sounds or textures can set me off. I was thinking that, in Hell, it's not necessarily about appearance. Maybe if I went to Hell in that universe, I would have a fur texture I hate, or I would have dog ears, so bad sounds could be magnified, making meltdowns more likely.
Can you kill a exercise in hell like using the gun that striker had on episode 5. Also you can see a golden eye thing in the background witch is pretty cool. And what would God look like in hazbin hotel or helluva boss?
I really want lucifer to be the kind of character that won’t let anyone disrespect heaven, despite being a fallen angel. Idk, it just seems interesting.
Judging by how Cain was never mentioned at all during the pilot of HH or 1st season of HB, even though he was the FIRST MURDERER, makes me believe that he could be like an antagonist to the Hazbin hotel staff, or it would be a shock if he got into heaven and works as an elite exterminator. I can't wait to see Adam, Eve, Abel, Cain and Michael interact with each other and the protagonists.
3:33 Guys, did you notice that their faces started glitching? Okay so here's my theory. If you rewatch the pilot, you will see a sinner dies before Angel Dust's introduction. Death actually exists in "hell" although originally it is supposed to be an eternal suffering. Then, the whole arc of Stolas is preventing HIS ASSASINATION. So why do exterminators glitch? Maybe both heaven and hell are basically not real heaven and hell. Probably the hell and heaven we see in Vivziepop's animations are basically could be part of an another dimension, or part of a purgatory where every soul is given a 2nd chance to live before going to the real hell and heaven (which we havent seen it yet). That means that everything we see is a game. Everyone who died from Earth are sent to a game where they play as a training ground for either to be redeemed and cleansed (ahem, Charlie's plans planning to send HALF of the POPULATION to heaven in order to prevent overpopulation as an alternative proposal) or die under exterminators. Another purpose of why exterminators MIGHT be sent to kill, it might be because of death penalty (if there are actually laws). It might be also that Charlie will create a second purgatory where everyone will give a chance to be cleansed (namingly Hazbin Hotel).
Angelic overlords would probably be the Archangels, God's seven archangels are: Michael, Raphael, Gabriel, Uriel, Sariel, Raguel, and Remiel. They would probably be in charge of hell, Just under God himself of course. (I really hope we get to see the Big Man at some point in Hazbin or Helluva Boss.)
If we ever see the "archangels" of the heavenly virtues, I really want Cassiel (the archangel of temperance) to have a bird motif to counter Beelzebub's fly/bee motif since Temperance opposes Gluttony in the heavenly virtues
fun act god know lucifer was going to threat his position and that human where going to suffer due to sin, but he allow it on purpose so human could have free will to choose either be good or bad, so lucifer just got play to stay in hell to manage the human souls, that could be a reason why angel dont try to kill him
I'm really hoping we get to see Lucifer vs Michael, kinda like in Netflix's Lucifer show. Especially in hell, Michael flies down and confronts Lucifer (maybe) about his plants to rob God of purer souls. Now that would be awesome.
personally i'm genuinely curious if they're going to add in the arch-Angels, and what they'll do with their designs and personalities, and will the arch-angels be opposites of the fallen ones? like..will the arch-angel of love and Asmodeus be reflections of eachother? Would lucifer still have some kind of contact with his "Family" in heaven? or would they despise him for his actions? would they even know about charlie? would they support her cause of redemption for sinners? or would they try sabotaging her plans? and if Adam is planned to be in hazbin hotel, will Eve join him? will Mary appear at some point? would she be a merciful and loving woman or would she become some sort of heavenly tyrant?
@Naomi Reed "like..will the arch-angel of love and Asmodeus be reflections of eachother? " it would be funny if they were a hypocrite as well, loathing and banning anything lewd while being really lewd with their partner.
Maybe the structure of heaven in the Vivzieverse will take some influence from buddhism where there are seven gods of happiness that each are imbued with six virtue and one sin. But at the inverse of hell all the natural born angel are more likely to be found in the "less humble" ring, and the righteous former human population is all over the place.
I think in a livestream viv said lucifer was an archangel. So, if you wanted to know what kind of angel, he was specifically I think that's what she said.
interesting how the angel rankings may be different to the original, as cherubim's are in the highest rank next to god. Although we may not know what Heavens or the ranks of angels are gonna be like.
i wonder if Mephistopheles will be in the show's and if he is what will he be. i really hope he is the father of hellhounds in the show's as i think it would be clever as Mephistopheles made the Faustian bargain a thing and for all intents and purposes dragged Faust to hell similar in a way to how hellhounds hunt sinner to bring them to hell.
I'm surprised there hasn't been any info if the there would be a Dante in the show(s) given how Dante is commonly associated with Hell (example: Dante's inferno. Novelization and/or game), but I'm sure that hasn't been addressed to avoid copyright from the DMC series.
I think the reason that Exterminations happen is because of this quote from George A. Romero: "When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth", hinting that when Hell gets overpopulated, anyone that dies won't go to hell and become a zombie or their sinner form on Earth.
And it would explain folklore monsters. With them being former sinners now monsters. It would also be understandbale since most sinners gain weird transformations.
A cool head canon I have is that those sinners who are killed yearly are reborn on earth for another chance to do better in human life to get to heaven. This is more comforting then them just going poof :(
If someone has had enough, the fear of the angels in the heaven shall become a reality. Just like how Marley made the Rumbling a reality out of fear and greed.
As a jew in israel I dont remember a charactar named lilith or any other wife of adam exept eve And i also learned that eve and adam both were kicked out of the garden of eden (גן עדן in hebrew ) for breaking the only law which was eating the forbidin fruit
As a Catholic same. I heard that Lilith being being Adam’s first wife was in a Jewish Mythology but I didn’t know if it was true. I think mostly people heard about it and ran with it without checking sources. To me Lilith doesn’t make any sense because I thought Eve’s punishment for eating the forbidden fruit was to be obedient to Adam. Makes me think she was his equal before. And if you think about it Adam listened to Eve and ate the forbidden fruit too. If Eve wasn’t his equal he could have simply commanded her to not eat the forbidden fruit
Lilith is apocryphal and not in the Bible itself. Basically a nasty version of someone else’s god, like Beelzebub. She’s the mother of demons and personality responsible for SIDS. There are amulets in the archeological record that were ment to protect children from Lilith. So at some point she was believed in, but didn’t survive to modern day.
I think it will be a pretty interesting turn of events if Lucifer never "fell", but simply just accepted the job of punishing sinners, given a great amount of power and even a royal title. This would make him a really interested antagonist as he will try to sabotage his own daughter if he sees her methods are actually working.
Imagine the exterminator angels are the highest ranking angels that payed to be exterminators because they basically get to start a purge while having a "just" cause and not feel guilty
All these theories make me excited for Hazbin Hotel to come out, It will be Interesting to see all of these Character’s Speak and Interact in Hazbin Hotel, I’m Interested to see what it will be like~
I would love it if in the end, after angels and demons viciously fight over each other's respective realm and who is to dominate both, they finally manage to enter God's tower of residence so he can have the last word on the matter - only to find out that he has long since left this universe as a total failure and went off to start creation anew someplace else. Meaning, there is no real power behing "good" and "evil" anymore, they're basically the same, just carrying on the illusion because they assumed there'd be a higher force behind everything. This is not likely to happen, as Vivzie already said she will not include God himself into her story, but it would be a nice outcome.
How the Heirarchy of Angels work 1st Sphere: contemplates and adores god directly(the freaky looking ones) Seraphim Name means the burning ones, and they are Attendants at the Throne of God. They praise God singing, “Holy Holy Holy is the Lord of Hosts!” Cherubim Name means the Fullness of Wisdom, and theyContemplate God’s providence. Assigned to protect special places. Thrones Represent the steadfastness of the love of God. The contemplate God’s power and judgment, and they appear as the most unlike the others when revealed. 2nd Sphere: Fulfil God's plan in the universe (close to both how they look like) Dominions Lord over the lower choirs and humanity. They take illumination from the higher hierarchies and govern the universe. Virtues Run the operation of movement in the universe. They are often associated with planets, elements, seasons, and nature. Powers Assist in governing the natural order. They are warrior angels tasked with fighting the war against the demonic choirs. 3rd Sphere: Interact and serve humanity closely (the more human-like ones) Principalities Princes of the lowest triad assigned to care and guard communities, kingdoms, states, and parishes. They are associated with transitions in power. Archangels Leader angels assigned to communicate and carryout God’s important plans for man. Michael, Gabriel, and Rafael are the only 3 names we know. Angels Angels are closest to the material world and humanity. The lowest choir is where we get the majority of our personal guardian angels.
I really need to know what happens at the exterminations. Do they specific sinner? Can you fight back? What if they want to kill more sinners? What if they start killing imp?
Because Adam has a guitar I think he is the new head of choir angel, which in the Bible is said to be gods right hand man. The job used to belong to Lucifer before he became a fallen angel
What angels are you most curious about?
Idk
The exterminators. They seem really interesting. Really hope we get to see a lot of them in the series, I'm really excited to see Eve the most though
Michael
Maybe Eve or the other arch angels like azrael or the others
Metatron
I'm hoping they do something where the first half of the show is Lucifer is shown as "good" atleast to Charlie and just the second half of the show being the main antagonist of the show
i actually have a theory that originally lucifer intended for all of the pride ring to function like the hotel but ultimately failed and the reson he is unsupportive of charlie is because he doesn't want her to be disappointed like he was
@@aawallace98 perhaps, as long as they don't pull a white diamond and make him (the embodiment of evil) good
@@aawallace98 sorry but that sounds really stupid even as a ‘theory’
@@aawallace98 tbh I feel like that's something he would do and considering he's the sin of pride he doesn't want to put out that he tried to make that work but failed in the process. I also think Charlie's mom (Lilith) might be supporting this idea because she thinks charlie could make it happen because she doesn't seem to be as prideful as her father and has people helping, while Lucifer (being the person he is) put a UNHEALTHY amount of pride into the idea and didn't want the help of others that caused it to crash. You're really good at making theorizes! You even got me thinking lol.
@@alfredomuniz8852 I bet 10 bucks he's behind the army of executioner angels or those exterminators
its a scary thought at the end. by culling the weak demons every year the strong grow stronger. the power they fear is being bred by their actions. the only thing really keeping this from coming true is that sinners are more into their own benefit and not so much conquest. with alastor being as strong as he is it makes me wonder what the princes think of him.
Exactly.
I think it was at some point said that Lucifer has a mutual respect with alastor after his arrival and displays of power. Though it also seems that alastor understands he's a small fry next to Lucifer or the other beings directly created by god, like stolas as it was confirmed that in raw power stolas us more powerful than alastor as I assume the higher ranking of the goetia are
@@lando8295 It was rather stated, that if Alastor and Lucifer were to meet each other, Alastor would be in no way scared of Lucifer and they would mutually respect each other as well. It was also stated that Stolas, as part of the Ars Goetia should have more power than Alastor (although it was also stated, that even the creator does not know the ceiling of Alastor's full power nor the full range of his abilities (and capabilities).
@@szabosandor8783 fair enough, I must admit my specific quoting knowledge is a little fuzzy. But I think my theory still stands on the actual power comparisons, and I think that heaven born entities (the higher ranking ones of course, not cherubs) have some of the greatest natural power, to a point that someone like charlie (even if only in raw potential) dwarfs alastor and other overlords
I'm pretty sure it's an overpopulation thing. Since all sinners are confined to the pride ring then it's extremely overpopulated so violence is encouraged in order to keep things manageable. Since it's Lucifer's decree that sinners can't go to the other rings, it would be logically...his fault
I believe Viv said that the angels are altered by Hell's energy when they visit. That may explain the horns and the need for masks. A word that we could use for Heaven's counterpart for sinners is saints. Adam would be a saint and the cherubs would be Heavenborn.
well slight problem, Adam is said to be a native angel
correct me if im wrong, but isnt the image of adam in heaven? if it is, then they wouldnt be altered by hell
I think it would be really weird if they called every person that died and went to heaven a “saint” because saints are actually few exceptional humans that are recognized and officialized as such by the church.
However, calling dead people that went to heaven “angels” wouldn’t be that weird, because we actually say things like this lol “don’t worry son, now your little sister is a little angel in heaven and she’s looking out for you!” Things like that.
@@xxmension04xx47I think that is bc the real Adam would be in hell as he is one reasons humans even go to hell along with Eve and he betrayed god. So I think he was just named after him
@@Fernandanatac Uh the canonized saints are just those souls that we know are in heaven. A human soul being in heaven makes them a saint.
I'm just so excited for this show to truly be a show
We all are
The floor is made out of floor
@@TeenWithACarrotIDK walls are made for me to stalk people
@@slaperofallfish speaking of walls, guess who's inside them?
@@synkt8759 my uncle?
Adam is just a high ranking Angel.
Lucifer is THE archangel of angels. The only one i can think of that would be close to Lucifer in power is Michael.
I hope we'll see more angels in the show! Especially Gabriel. He/she is the holder of the horn that opens the gates of heaven so maybe if someone gets redeemed, Gabriel will show up ☺
In the Bible, it's stated that we are made in the image of God. When we die and go to heaven, we will become like God. So, becoming an angel is actually a downgrade. Angel literally means "messager of God." Why would the Viziepop crew make the first human an angel instead of a reverend type character who commands a legion of angels? Don't get me wrong, the Rockstar aspect is fine, and even taking the role Exterminator is interesting, but why an angel?
Gaberial is a he, also he is sometimes the same power as Michael, so it really depends.
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Id like to think that Gabriel is a woman.
@@Ash__1991 yeah, and I sometimes think lilth as a man pretending to be a girl who left the garden and turned into the first female demon so she could have kids when I read some versions from other people's view of the bible.
@@Ash__1991 If so, there has to be a reference to how Islam views the belief in angels as women as evil and goes on about it for a weirdly long amount of time.
Imagine if we get to see Alastor playing the angels for fools. It would absolutely fit into his character to benefit the hotel, so he gets his entertainment, as well as screwing the angels over for even MORE entertainment. After all, to him, the world is a stage, and a stage is a world of entertainment.
@dapper dabber How could he possibly defeat the powerful angels (unless he is one himself or a true demon)?
They can alter minds, which we know from when Gabriel removes a man's ability to speak (not the vocal chords, as that couldn't heal instantly, and that is not the wording used). They could just leave him in a coma if they felt like it.
@@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana yea but don’t think that is in the show, I might be wrong here because I didn’t watch the live streams, also think they meant the cherubs rather than the powerful angels themselves
@@MarshyMellow1223 Well if you are going to apply logic to the universe to predict things, a lot of things in the show doesn’t make sense. Mostly because the pop culture view on the supernatural topics doesn’t make any sense. Partially because the show’s world is retroactively built around moral issues rather than doing its own thing.
Though we got a true demon appearance when the Helluva boss gang got trapped.
I was really disappointed they didn’t go with a demon was controlling the entire anti demon organisation, because it would be a good showcase of their power and make for a memorable moment. Though this certainly isn’t the stupidest use of demon powers I have seen in fiction where true demons are a rarity.
Though any one with true demons in it a lot eventually gives them better motives and actions due to the cognitive dissonance needed to believe this is sensible not being enough.
@@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavanadude, it’s its own fictional universe that is simply pulling from Christian mythos… stop overanalyzing
@@OwlpoAnimations The subconscious of writers ✍ tends to have a mind of its own..
Wait Adam?! As in the first man?! That Adam?! Ohhh boy if that's the same one, that is pretty unexpected. And makes a lot of sense why he doesn't like Lucifer or Lilith. Lilith did kind of say screw you in the garden before being banished and Lucifer did marry her instead.
@Loony Toony
its is kinda dark that adam would have a fun time killing his children...
Don’t forget Lucifer was also the snake. So it’s a double frick you.
@@quincyconnors9391 yeah, that is true
Maybe Lucifer and Lillith married because they both hate Adam. Lillith hate him because Adam demand some kind of patriarchy and God's permitted it. Lucifer hate him because God made Adam as a superior to Lucifer. Maybe Adam is some kind of spoiled child because he being God's favorite.
Feels kinda realistic and related relationship if their marriage started with that same hatred toward Adam. And maybe Lillith and Lucifer are not really a bad person. Maybe Heaven is the place of authotity, and no one can think differently. So people there always following rules like puppets. And Hell is land of freedom as long as you can survive it.
@@quincyconnors9391 at time she really did think she was above Adam though.
I still find it funny because they’re personalities were very similar and so were their attitudes and it’s come on… you really expected them NOT TO CLASH?
One comment I remember hearing was that angels and demons have different forms when visiting the opposite realm. It might be that the exterminators ware the LED masks in hell to hide that, or it could be that they act like radiation suits to keep them from feeling the effects and fully changing form.
So I was thinking after Deepcut said if Adam could fight Lucifer, just imagine if later on in the show they actually have a brawl. Lucifer vs Adam when?
right?
You have predicted the future.
Also, I love the idea that Lucifer is still serving Heaven in his own way by keeping Hell under control. It's a very Hades-esque interpretation of the character, and I love me some Greek myth.
I really hope we will see uriel,the archangel of wisdom
And maybe also the angel of death
He is also the angel of Divine fire and light, I really hope we're going to see Raphael the angel of healing, I hope he is sweet, kind hearted and careing , not some sort of jerk that just do his job cause he was told to do it .
Yeah, Azreal would make a really badass edition to the roster. He's like if an angel was the grim reaper.
Depends on how they'll adapt the story. Depending on how much they take from Paradise Lost, which a lot of stories involving Lucifer do, Sin and Death both exist because of him.
@@Kwiitchi nope, you're wrong.
He's called the "Angel of death" because he's a guide for the souls whose body died
He's totally an angel of God and has nothing to do with grim reaper.
In the other hand, grim reaper is death itself
@@josuesolar1771 Michael is asisting him as well, but in Christianety Archangel Michael is the one that is doing this only and is also the angel of the apocalips .
Hope we see Michael,Raphael,Gabriel,Uriel and Metatron. Maybe sandolph. They’re awsome in the SMT/persona
I think we will 100% see at least Michael, Gabriel, Raphael and Uriel at least like aren’t they the most popular Angels after Lucifer?
Maybe Raisel, Zaphkiel, Zadkiel. It remind me of Date A Live
If raphael dosen't appear carrying a dead fish around im not interested xd
We also need Azrael
I hope that Gabriel gets dubbed by Gianni
"Unlike the sinners, who are known to have features they hate, and thus are stuck hating aspects of himself, for the rest of existence such as Angel Dust with his feet."
This leaves me wondering about characters like Alastor; if this is the case, I can't see anything about Al that he hates about himself. He just seems entirely content not only being in Hell, but with everything about himself....I'm wondering if any of Alastor's family ended up in heaven...a common fan theory is that his mother of course did, which would lead to some interesting confrontations in the show since it looks like we DO get to see Extermination Day play out.
I can see Alastor hating the antler horns on his head as it would remind him of his death. While he may not be bothered being in Hell, I can see him hating being reminded of his death because he may see it as a moment of lack of awareness.
Some fans believe that Alastor has a deer tail, this could very likely be the thing that Alaster hates about himself because IF he does have a deer tail he seems to always keep it hidden underneath his clothes.
Oh I didn't think about the antlers and tail....the tail I can definitely see him hiding because people IMMEDIATELY would think it's cute, which....he'd probably HATE. As for the antlers I can see him hating that moment of being caught unaware which would in turn lead to why (I THINK I could be wrong) he never sleeps.
Alastor is an interesting cookie.
He seems to be at peace with ending up in hell, like he was so far gone that ethernal damnation was right in his opinion.
Wich make an interesting challange for charlie.
@@MrRobot-0 I really don't think Charlie could get Alastor to change even if she tried. "The chance they had was the life they lived before the punishment is THIS! There is no undoing what is done." Al is indeed very interesting. He seems to have his own code, does seem to respect women, unless they point an angel tipped blade at him, and doesn't seem to just outright attack unless he's the one provoked. He also seems to be close enough with Husk and Niffity that they aren't really all that surprised by him, or his outburst at the end. He also seems to be on friendly terms with Rosie, another cannibal. So he's not exactly a lone wolf as many think. But would he come to care about the Hazbin crew? Remains to be seen.
I wonder if any other angels from theology are in the show. I thinking something along the lines of saints like Gabriel and Michael.
As for Angel's sister she (in the show lore) she may have been different from the rest of her family. Also the cause of her demise may have been self sacrifice on her part. Just a hypothesis though.
I think Michael or Gabriel was the general of heaven, so maybe he’s Adams boss or something.
@@Kate.Somethingorother I would imagine that all the Archangels are ranked higher than Adam.
Michael and Gaberial were angels and not saints. Saints are humans. Idk why they call them saints when they were never humans in the first place. But they are arch angels.
@@zionthedragon8866 in catholic tradition, angels can also be saints in some instances.
I don’t think a powerful mob family would allow a member to go straight. My guess she was murdered by her own family.
Angels are terrifying. In the Bible, Gabriel straight-up removes a man's ability to speak. Not by the voice box, as he regains it instantaneously. Gabriel literally went into someone's mind and altered it from within.
I am kind of sick of media depowering angels and demons. Sure they are both basically invincible in a fair fight, but you could easily give them a motive tangential to the humans/protagonists. Many stories do that and manage to make a compelling plot without depowering them.
In fact, it forces the story to be a mind game, rather than mindless punching, with is a good thing.
I wish they just showcase the true strength of true angels and true demons, which can give the story a sense of scale and give it weight.
Yeah most stories tend to use them as fodders for the mcs.
I'm so exited,I've been waiting for an episode to come because hazbin hotel was 3 years ago! Let's hope we get to see all the interesting characters, like Adam,Lute and Lucifer!
I know same, I’m just looking forward to lute why idk I like the design
The more we get hints about Heaven and get peaks at Heaven characters like Adam. The more I’m starting to realize that Heaven is not all what it’s cracked up to be. That perhaps someone is better down there than up there
That's a big fan theory that was fed by the opening of HelluvaBoss ep4 CHERUBS. When Collin is filling out that massive pile of paperwork (with NO help) there is a poster on the wall with a quote signed by God. I can't remember the exact wording but basically says to dump the people you can't use.
Oh yeah I remember that, it was like friends are only stepping stones , once you make it to the top ditch them
If anything it reminds of that musical The Devil's Carnival, it has Heaven be this like dictator place. Almost like Nazi Germany, while Hell is this crazy circus. However if you watch the prequel for that film Alleluia! The Devil's Carnival!, you kind of understand that Hell's resident are more sympathetic. That Heaven is very nit picky while Hell is basically like society just a tad more violent.
I...honestly hope that's not the case as it significantly fucks up the narrative. I'd rather have heaven be a place that the cast can reach towards and become better people for. I REALLY don't want it to be that heaven sucks too. It just feels...lazy and not as narratively cohesive if this show is about redemption as it claims to be
@@BuckerydogSchmuckeryDog Yeah, just doing a complete 180 on whose the good guys and who are the bad guys is one of the laziest and dumbest "twists" out there.
The Exorcist angels have a fair bit in common with Powers an order of angels from actual Christian lore, Powers are angels largely dedicated to fighting fallen angels and demons which is pretty similar to the Exorcists
A somewhat unrelated detail is that Lucifer is likely a fallen Seraphim, the highest order of angels being just below God, so their likely aren't many angels above Lucifer that could smite him, that being said in Christian lore the Cherubim are the order just below Seraphim yet in Helluva Boss the cherubs seem pretty low down in the heaven hierarchy comparable to imps so Viv seems to be taking creative liberties so it's hard to say how similar to real lore things will be
In hazibin lore? Maybe, but that would suck because it would make them the biblically inaccurate version of seraphim, and I would rather go the old Jewish Verizon of the seraphim.
If we are talking about real life, then yeah no, he wasn't a seraphim as all the evidence and media surrounding him from pre-medieval times and early medieval times depicts him as anything but a seraphim, and he disguises himself as a CHERUB just to TALK TO THE SERAPHIM. Plus, as stated old seraphim didn't look like the modern Six winged humans versions, nor the clump of wings with eyes like they do today. And he was said to beautiful because of how much humanoid like and glowing he was. Something the more lower angels looked like.
But yeah, the powers is a comment I made as being a possible inspiration for exorcists. I wonder if a group will be like the virtues and the other one group, which would be the politicians, gardeners, and farmers of angels dealing with the fauna & flora of the world & afterlife like with the dogs souls as a reference to the movie "all dogs go to heaven."
@@zionthedragon8866 Well I mean Lucifer's throne in the art of him looks like a dark Seraphim with black wings and red eyes so maybe that's a hint? also I'm not an exert on this stuff just to be clear
@@nathanblackburn1193 red eyes have nothing to do with seraphim irl, and what *do* you think a seraphim looks like? I am thinking of the [old] Torahic accurate seraphim. Not the equivalent naked human seraphim that is basically like the naked baby cupid cherub comparison for them. The baby and naked human with six wings are both the modern cutesized version of them.
But irl, Lucifer was never a seraphim in any known writings as far as we know, and it would be wrong to suggest otherwise on this fact. At the most he was possibly one of the political angels [forgot their name ATM] who can seduce and influence men & women so easily and tell them the secrets. Hazbin it may be different, but irl not the case.
I hope hazbin doesn't go the "lucifer was a seraphim and they are six winged humanoid angels" route, as I am tired of that modernized and boring down grade of the seraphim.
@@zionthedragon8866 What? I mean in Lucifer's Hazbin art he's sitting on a throne that has the back designed to look like a bunch of black wings with red eyes on them, aren't traditional Seraphim a bunch of wings with eyes? Plus Lucifer in Hazbin could be concealing his true form
@@nathanblackburn1193 the modern version is a pair of wings with eyes AND the human with six wings, just how cherubs are totally naked cupid babies. Which is why I hope they don't name drop seraphim as that, and instead use them for something else and have Lucifer be a different angel and not recreate him in this world's lore to be a former seraphim.
I always assumed the masks/horn are similar to an executioners hood, to avoid sinners coming after them for revenge the next extermination.
Also I just noticed the layer that you made for 7 hells are actually kind of like the color of the rainbow like Charlie says
🎶inside of every demon is a rainbow🎶
Doomguy knows it’s just ammo
I always wanted to see Adam and Eve ever since I knew this show.
Well, that was not what I expected Adam to look and be like.
I wonder if instead of overlords, they have Shepards
This is the kind of content I can’t wait to see! I’m so excited for Hazbin! For awhile, there’s only so much excitement I could have for a pilot. After some time, I moved on from it and now I’m so happy to see not just new designs, but new characters as well. I love Adam’s angelic look too, I always love stories with angels and demons so it’s nice to see them both!
Here’s how I think the Heaven Hierarchy will go from top to bottom
God (naturally)
Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, Uriel and Azrael (the princes of Heaven, this is where I believe Lucifer was)
Jesus (if he exists in the show I can see him being a high-ranking figure)
Adam (I personally think the Exorcists are elite soldiers apart of Heaven’s military and Adam is the “general” or whatever it’s called also since he was the first human made in God’s image in makes sense that he’d be ranked so high)
The Seraphim (said to be the highest ranking Angels and may be the Heaven equivalent of the Ars Goetia)
Archangels (possibly the equivalent of Overlords)
Exorcists
Saints (obviously they’d be above natural Angels since God loves them so much)
Natural Angels like Cherubs
I think Jesus is above Michael, Uriel and the rest, also they are Archangels.
yeah no Micheal Gabriel and etc are archangels. It’s said that seraphim’s are next to gods throne so they would be top and throne angels would be up there too
I know Michale and Gabriel are archangels the reason I put them so high is because they are Lucifer’s brothers and thus should be higher than the other angels
@@HanaBanana08 I agree, if some are mirrored of Hell, makes sense then for the son of God be next and above others. Like how Charlie is just under her father Lucifer (save for her mother) and is above others in Hell.
Jesus is right under God
In some of the lore regarding Lucifers fall he does turn into a red dragon form before being officially defeated by Michael. And when Charlie does go to her full demon form, she does take on dragon like features.
Uh, no? Horns and wings are a common thing on demons, also he took the form of a hydra using the modern definition of a dragon in the modern christian "new" testament, and that was purely symbolic, just like the usage of serpent and snake for him, as snake and reptiles are used more symbolically than literally. Also, did you not see Adam with horns? Those features you call "dragon" are not just a hell or Lucifer thing.
Lol what r u even saying 😂 who said he turned into a dragon? 💀
@@laranakeyaleicen There is an image created by Albrecht Dürer called 'St. Michael slaying the Dragon". Created in 1498. In the image the ArchAngel Michael is fighting a seven headed dragon, with each of the heads representing each of the seven sin.
In biblical mythology Lucifer faced Michael in battle. When he was being bested by his brother Angel, Lucifer took on the form of a dragon. Unfortunately, despite taking this form he was ultimately defeated by Michael and sent plunging into Hell.
@@victoryangel29unfortunately?
@@lapwing1111I mean, sure, he wanted to take the place of God, but he was also the one angel that wanted free-will for the others angels. Because yes that's a thing.
I like to think that there are 7 circles of heaven, one for the heavenly virtues. They aren't set above eachother, because that would imply that some angels are less valued than others (We can't have that imperfections, can we?) and Humility (The opposite of Pride) would be set in the center, with the other circles in a spiral around it. However, the further out the circle is, the lower down to earth it is. It isn't noticeable, but when angels do, they just reason its easiest for angels like Gabriel to fly to earth. This is just a lil' headcanon I have.
Was definitely not expecting the Adam and Lute reveal and that’s definitely an interesting theory at the end about what started the extermination. It would alleviate Heaven’s fear of the Sinners rebelling and Hell (or at least the Pride Ring) would get the energy from those erased.🤔 Plus, Lucifer would still get the pleasure of taking those souls away from Heaven.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the suits were to keep the exterminators from being corrupted by Hell (whether it’s just exposure to the environment or if it could happen if they were bitten/scratched by anyone there 🤔). Excited either way to found out.😉
I feel like there may be a possibility that the reason angels may want to busy themselves is due to heaven being boring, if you’re in bliss constantly it doesn’t feel like bliss anymore.
Seeing as in hell you can do almost anything you want so maybe in heaven there could be a lot of rules to follow so it must be boring
Angels can mess with human minds, which we know from their ability to remove speech (not the physical action, but the mental capacity to formulate thoughts in a language). They could busy themselves using their vast supernatural powers, and just lightly messing with the humans.
Angels are immensely powerful, able to remove human's mental ability to speak (as in conceptualise language). They probably have something to do, otherwise, they can just prank the humans.
Honestly, I could see that, like they're so bored that most of the angels are actually in tears.
I kind of think the opposite. Every high ranking being and the archangels must be so busy with work. Keeping the blessed happy, maintaining heaven, deciding who goes to heaven, watching the galaxy and overall doing various work in earth and hell.
My personal theory for the structure in Heaven so far is that it will be more pop culture based than biblical. Like with the Cherubim being based on the imagery of renaissance era cupid, while the biblical Cherubim are very powerful creatures. Instead, focus mainly on 7 Archangels (Michael, Raphael and Gabriel definitely being among them) as equivalents for the 7 princes of hell, corresponding to 7 heavenly virtues such as charity, diligence, humility etc. with a spin on them being insufferable and hypocritical. There's also a possibility that there're 6 Archangels since Lucifer would be one before his fall and Adam replacing him, adding to the my-wife's-ex rivalry and possible sky daddy's favourite rivalry between Lucifer and Adam. I really don't think Jesus would make an appearance since it would be too touchy touchy and a no no from the business side of the things. And then add some Thrones and Seraphim once or twice as biblical angels for the memes. I imagine they'd be akin to Ars Goetia demons.
They could just reference Jesus or show a picture of him if not wanting to show him
@@shadowwolf2564 if they do I hope they show him as an ugly medieval baby
Actually there may be some truth to appearance to C.H.E.R.U.B crew. Some descriptions say they have one face of a human, one of a bull and one of a lion. So who knows maybe they will evolve into C.H.E.R.U.B by merging their souls together?
honestly see Jesus as a reble teenager XD
I think horns form when the angels come down from heaven and into hell. So Their true, heavenly forms, may not have horns and only when they are down in hell do they have hellish forms. It might also show why they wear hazmat like suits, So that their bodies don't get more corrupt by the evil energy that hell has, or that they can still contain their own holy energy so they can return back to heaven.
It’ll be interesting to see whether the show goes with Lucifer being cast out of heaven for rebelling or being assigned hell to manage it!😮i prefer the former but if it’s the latter I won’t mind. Both options are enticing!
If Adam is in fact the first human God created, than Lucifer and him have history which could make for some awkward and interesting interactions between the two
Yeah he hated him because Adam without any merit was created as a supperior to him. And his wife is Adam's ex-wife who in the past Adam demanded her to be submissive wife
I imagine the reason why they would never kill Lucifer is like the reasoning Amenadiel wanted Lucifer to go back to hell in the TV show Lucifer, there always has to be someone who rules Hell to keep everything functioning and everyone in line. If Lucifer is taken out then another angel would have to take his place and in the context of Hazbin Adam would most likely be next in line since he is God's right hand man
I think there are many other fallen angels in Hellaverse besides Lucifer, and besides if he disappeared then his daughter Charlie would take over the throne
@@Mirartium736 I think Osmodeus is supposed to be in Fallen Angel as well but I'm not sure. And yeah Charlie would be next in line so yeah you're right, but on the other hand she is openly against the extermination and we all know the vast majority of Hell doesn't want to be redeemed and actually like the extermination for the simple fact that it boosts up their businesses. Look at the pilot we have a but you're taking parts from the street to reuse as meat for his shop, have two characters taking a holy weapon to most likely use or sell on the black market so it can be melted down into different weapons like the sniper rifle, and even Rosie who might be a reoccurring character being a friend of Alastor became the sole owner of that shop she co-owned when her was exterminated. So my point being if Charlie did become leader of hell and failed to get people to become redeemed most likely Angels would have her smited and have someone else put in charge but we'll have the extermination as planned normally. But that's just a theory of something that might not even come up as an issue
In Hazbin hotel though Charlie is the heir to the throne. So if Lucifer is killed then I presume Charlie will take over or worst case scenario Lilith will. So I don’t think Hazbin Hotel has the same issue that the Lucifer TV show does.
@@Allthingsasian I mentioned in a separate comment that Charlie would most likely try to Institute her Rehabilitation method but of course most sinners won't go for that and they would most likely have to bring back the extermination. But Lilith would be a good candidate as well
I'm assuming the exorcists are like a black ops of archangels, and I doubt Adam outranks Lucifer. I don't think he's powerful enough to take him on personally.
I think the same. According to Vivziepop, exorcists are quite low in the hierarchy of Heaven, unlike Great Archangels (like Lucifer) who are literally right below God in the hierarchy
@@Mirartium736 yeah that's true I actually follow another UA-cam page that studies all form of mythology and judeo Christian folklore and I remember a video on the hierarchy of angels and demons.
It could be that whole exorcists are low in the hierarchy, Adam himself is a much more special case in being the manager of them.
They are basically special forces
I´m just excited to see what they look like in heaven since their form change depending on if they are in hell or heaven
I imagine my own version of Heaven hierarchy-
God (King)
Goddess (Queen)
Jesus (Prince)
7 holy virtues
Seraphs
Demi-lords
Saints
Dominions/Thrones
Heaven kittens
Cherubs
@@goddessbettyd5614 some of thought sounds bizarre and doesn't seem like what's going to happen, but most of this could happen minus a few things. Unless vizi just wants to completely more "gods" to contridict with Abrahamic religions all round. I mean yeah to a small degree she has done that, with exorcists being the replacement for powers, but atleast they have some merit or basis in pre-existing stuff.
Like some head canons I can understand, but some I can't to a degree.
I just imagine Lucifer and Lilith acting all lovey-dovey just to piss Adam off even more. Lilith used to be his ex-wife after all. 😂
I do not know how well this translates to the show, but the usual jobs of the angels (Simplified):
Lower class angels (Angels, Archangels, Principalities) figure out what needs to be done on Earth and get it done. Several angels (or Cherubs, as the show calls them) serve an archangel, and several archangels serve under a Principality. Principalities are like Regional Managers and oversee all angelic activity for a specified group or area on Earth, e.g. the Angel of Portugal is responsible for Portugal.
Middle class angels (Powers, Virtues, Dominions) carry out special missions like fighting evil, performing emergency interventions, moving the stars around, and generally translating God's Will into actionable plans for the lower angels to carry out. The Powers are the most like the Exorcists - Their job is to go fight Evil wherever it is. The Virtues are notable for being the highest rank of angel to interact with living humans on a regular basis- they perform special interventions, provide inspiration, and control the natural universe. The Dominions, the highest ranking angels in this group, translate God's will into actual plans for the lower-ranking angels to carry out. Dominions, which are addressed as Lord/Your Lordship, strike me as the angelic equivalent of the Ars Goetia.
Upper class angels (Ophanim/Wheels/Thrones, Cherubim, Seraphim), who act as God's escorts and yesmen. Their entire existence revolves around God, around serving and praising God. They never get involved with Earthly affairs (save for the one Cherubim assigned to protect the Garden of Eden), and a living human might die or go mad in their presence.
That last line on the video caved me chils.
Amazing theory.
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What about Seraphim? They sound pretty cool, “the burning ones”, angels with six wings, highest hierarchy of angels.
0:53 nobody: ACTUALLY NOBODY AT ALL: the angeldust plushie: 👁👄👁
(Obviously my opinion, others might think differently) so, ok listen I like the character design for Adam I think it’s cool, but tbh I expected more out of this design if he’s the literal Leader of The Exterminators, like you know what I’m saying
Completely. For all the praise on Vivzie’s art style, designs, and stories, she really seems to not put much effort when it comes to heaven and it’s people.
Oh yea yea, I totally get what you're saying. Idk he looks... goofy?
Adam is a teenager what do you expect him to be? Serious?
I might be wrong but Viziepop did say that other religions will be explored in the show so is it possible that for example we could be Buddhism which believes in reincarnation so we might see a person in hell who is trying to redeem themselves be able to fully redeem themselves through a new life then seeing if they go to heaven or hell
Hell in Buddhism, known as Naraka, in Naraka you aren’t sent there by Divine Punishment but rather accumulation of negative karma, also torment in Naraka isn’t forever but it can last from hundreds of millions to sextillions of years, and it has purpose it’s meant to purge you of negative karma so you can get reincarnated into a better life, I would love to see some Dharmic ideas work their way into Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss, I mean heck the Angels themselves could be classified as Devas (Gods) and heck even the Devas are not immortal they can live for quintillions of years but still a finite number
Christianity is basically the only religion that makes hell permanent, even among other Abrahamic’s
imagine Odin or Zeus making an appearance
Islam ,Christianity ,Judaism are partially the same. I hope they don't break it up with it making it an avarage of all of them.
Buddism, Shinto should be looked into but older and newer ones would be also interesting. Also i wonder how cults will be shown.
@@temkin9298 Technically every religion is a cult.
I want an episode with Charlie’s hiding a bunch of sinners within a hotel, an angel trying to bust down the door or trying to get in and Lucifer just stops in the middle and just like we see his power that would be so cool
I would be down to see Lucifer and Michael throw hands.
@@paudiedaly22 oh god dude that would be sick and quick side note I hope Lucifer turns out to be a good dad to Charlie
@@kingd3799 I personally hope that Lucifer tries to be a good dad, but he inevitably keeps screwing up.
For example, he might have said that the hotel wouldn't work since the sinners are too degenerated and he probably thinks that the sinners would try to use her and hurt her.
He clearly doesn't mind providing the hotel and the resources.
However, he probably screwed up with the delivery, since Charlie thinks that he doesn't believe in her, and that he provided the hotel because he wanted to see her fail.
@@paudiedaly22 YES! That’s what I want he said it perfectly.
i don't know but based on how they only wear masks and follow orders almost mechanically i suggest the hypothesis that the Exterminators are machines with slight sentience , and as for the idea that they fear that sinners might become strong enough that they do the exterminations to stop their possible "rebellion" is basically what my OC Acricius is , a sinner strong enough that heaven fears him , everything that happens in the story im working on is non canon except what i know already , the rest is made up stuff that doesn't fit Viv's story , but i still need to work on these things.....
Me personally, I kinda want the angels to represent order and law, while demons are chaos and freedom. Like complementaries but also contradictions that don’t get along to well in the extremes. Having both protagonist and antagonist angels and demons would be interesting too. But I’m excited to see where vivziepop and the crew take it either way!
I also wondered if there was going to be no free will in heaven like yk how it would actually function. But the cherubs had free will, making them very human… So does that mean all angels and virtues ( humans that became angels ) have free will? If so.. that would mean you could get kicked out of heaven very easily once you get there making heaven quiet, empty and underpopulated. And if they don’t get kicked out they would probably have to “purify” themselves somehow. maybe even it’s forced by some authority. This could make heaven an authoritarian dystopia, just 1984 but abrahamic addition. Since they all have free will in heaven, this means that they will mess up at some point. Making heaven’s system not perfect… So they either get kicked out, or god suppresses the sin in heaven by covering it up or rehabilitating the angels with free will to keep up the whole paradise appearance. While Yahweh or some high ranking angel keeps majority of heaven population ignorant to keep angels from realizing the sin in heaven; and to keep humans believing it’s paradise. This could make for an interesting dystopia where heaven is an authoritarian dystopia, opposite of hells anarchy dystopia. And humans having to pick their poison of an afterlife when they die. Believing that one is good and one is bad even though they both have flaws. Maybe there’s a group of protagonists or just a single angel in heaven as a protagonist, along with the ones we know in hell. And protagonist/protagonists in heaven and hell start off fighting each other because of their species relationship for the past thousands of years. As well as other angels and demons convincing them to fight each other because their supposed to be each-others enemy. But end up realizing that they have similar goals of coexistence and fixing their broken systems that they live in. Along with groups of antagonist angels and demons representing the cruel extremes and products of the dystopias they live in. God himself could be seen as a cruel iron fisting dictator rather than a righteous loving father. The possibilities are endless! I doubt that’s the direction of the show but its an interesting thought. But that’s just what happens when you humanize angels and demons, god and Lucifer.
Anyway I’m done rambling it’s just really interesting. And I’m curious to see the direction of the show. :)
In my point of view heaven and hell are coming from the same point but in different ways.
Hell is having the freedom to do what you want regardless of how it effects others.
Heaven is having the freedom and free will.... but realizing what their choices do to others and either preventing, undoing or making up for it.
Both are centered around free will and freedom. It's just how you use it that defines heaven or hell.
Why would God be a dictator when they made the universe. If God wanted everything to be good and holy, then he wouldn't have made freedom and free will. God gave all of creation options and choices, letting them explore the world as themselves.
Gods more like a parent letting their children make their own mistakes and their own lives, no matter how miserable they make it or if it hurts them. It's their lives, not the parents.
Thats why the cherubs are kicked out of heaven. They particpated in taking a life and didn't realize their part in it, blaming IMP instead. They didn't recognize what their actions had done and didn't seek to make it right. Hence the boot.
Lucifer fell because of his pride - his own pride did not let him see, admit or retify what his rebellion did to creation. Hence given the boot.
When the exorcist angels come to mind, think of the Purge.
The angels basically have it made etc, think of them as the rich and wealthy bored out of their minds with no blood, no gore, no violence and not really much of anything sparking any kind of excitement and then what comes to their minds to clear steam and do whatever they want? (The Purge.)
And while in hell the rest are all the unlucky ones (Sinners) all in the streets getting slaughtered.
Thank you Haro for having to stare at Cherubs all day
I know that horns are common on Christan demons because they are supposed to represent a broken halo. Perhaps exterminators, and maybe more than a few former humans, have horns because they are barely allowed in heaven. Even though they make the cut they still have a vice that could get them tossed if it goes too far. For example I actually think most of the exterminators are actually humans that enjoyed violence on earth, but didn't overly indulge in it to counter their good deeds. So as reward theses individuals are given a holiday where they can actually indulge in it past the point it would be called sin, extermination day.
I think most exterminators were probably soldiers or cops when they were alive. Since killing is one of the highest sins in the bible they might have been automatically marked to go to hell but lived righteously enough that they were allowed into heaven, thus giving them the ability to travel to hell and resistance to demonic energy. They might be considered too strong willed or desensitized to act of murder for it corrupt them
Interesting
This is some good fuel for the lore of the show
Any thoughts on whether or not we might see God themself or will they be an all-powerful bystander, getting name dropped
I have some ideas, but I'm waiting for a few more things to play out before getting into it.
My question is do the Exorcists honor leap year or is it always 365 days between cleanses?
With the sinner demons having characteristics on their bodies that they hate, I was curious about something. I'm autistic. Certain sounds or textures can set me off. I was thinking that, in Hell, it's not necessarily about appearance. Maybe if I went to Hell in that universe, I would have a fur texture I hate, or I would have dog ears, so bad sounds could be magnified, making meltdowns more likely.
Well, I guess, but not ever person with you condition is the same, so it would be different for each one.
@@zionthedragon8866 Of course. It was merely a thought experiment.
That makes sense. What if that little sheep Alastor saved in that comic was allergic to wool while alive? Like how is something that adorable in hell?
@@bearstarpresents2264 That makes sense!
I wonder what would an armor made out of the material of angelic weapons make a sinner or a natural born demon immune to the Annual extermination?
I never thought I'd hear the term "Hellborn Angel"
also I believe the shows Cherubs are more so based off Cherubs and less so based off the Cherubim
Cherubs and Cherubim are the same thing.
Can you kill a exercise in hell like using the gun that striker had on episode 5. Also you can see a golden eye thing in the background witch is pretty cool. And what would God look like in hazbin hotel or helluva boss?
So Adam is what you call the grand inquisitor of the exorcist angels
I really want lucifer to be the kind of character that won’t let anyone disrespect heaven, despite being a fallen angel. Idk, it just seems interesting.
Judging by how Cain was never mentioned at all during the pilot of HH or 1st season of HB, even though he was the FIRST MURDERER, makes me believe that he could be like an antagonist to the Hazbin hotel staff, or it would be a shock if he got into heaven and works as an elite exterminator.
I can't wait to see Adam, Eve, Abel, Cain and Michael interact with each other and the protagonists.
@Paudie Daly
why didnt you mention seth?
@@chongwillson972 I honestly forgot about him
3:33 Guys, did you notice that their faces started glitching?
Okay so here's my theory. If you rewatch the pilot, you will see a sinner dies before Angel Dust's introduction. Death actually exists in "hell" although originally it is supposed to be an eternal suffering. Then, the whole arc of Stolas is preventing HIS ASSASINATION.
So why do exterminators glitch? Maybe both heaven and hell are basically not real heaven and hell. Probably the hell and heaven we see in Vivziepop's animations are basically could be part of an another dimension, or part of a purgatory where every soul is given a 2nd chance to live before going to the real hell and heaven (which we havent seen it yet).
That means that everything we see is a game. Everyone who died from Earth are sent to a game where they play as a training ground for either to be redeemed and cleansed (ahem, Charlie's plans planning to send HALF of the POPULATION to heaven in order to prevent overpopulation as an alternative proposal) or die under exterminators.
Another purpose of why exterminators MIGHT be sent to kill, it might be because of death penalty (if there are actually laws). It might be also that Charlie will create a second purgatory where everyone will give a chance to be cleansed (namingly Hazbin Hotel).
No it's because they have masks on Viv that is not their real face
Angelic overlords would probably be the Archangels, God's seven archangels are: Michael, Raphael, Gabriel, Uriel, Sariel, Raguel, and Remiel.
They would probably be in charge of hell, Just under God himself of course.
(I really hope we get to see the Big Man at some point in Hazbin or Helluva Boss.)
If we ever see the "archangels" of the heavenly virtues, I really want Cassiel (the archangel of temperance) to have a bird motif to counter Beelzebub's fly/bee motif since Temperance opposes Gluttony in the heavenly virtues
fun act god know lucifer was going to threat his position and that human where going to suffer due to sin, but he allow it on purpose so human could have free will to choose either be good or bad, so lucifer just got play to stay in hell to manage the human souls, that could be a reason why angel dont try to kill him
I'm really hoping we get to see Lucifer vs Michael, kinda like in Netflix's Lucifer show.
Especially in hell, Michael flies down and confronts Lucifer (maybe) about his plants to rob God of purer souls. Now that would be awesome.
personally i'm genuinely curious if they're going to add in the arch-Angels, and what they'll do with their designs and personalities, and will the arch-angels be opposites of the fallen ones? like..will the arch-angel of love and Asmodeus be reflections of eachother? Would lucifer still have some kind of contact with his "Family" in heaven? or would they despise him for his actions? would they even know about charlie? would they support her cause of redemption for sinners? or would they try sabotaging her plans? and if Adam is planned to be in hazbin hotel, will Eve join him? will Mary appear at some point? would she be a merciful and loving woman or would she become some sort of heavenly tyrant?
@Naomi Reed
"like..will the arch-angel of love and Asmodeus be reflections of eachother? "
it would be funny if they were a hypocrite as well, loathing and banning anything lewd while being really lewd with their partner.
Ok. Totally not related. But it’s low-key exciting to have a character with the same name as you. hope we get to see more of Molly.☺️
Maybe the structure of heaven in the Vivzieverse will take some influence from buddhism where there are seven gods of happiness that each are imbued with six virtue and one sin. But at the inverse of hell all the natural born angel are more likely to be found in the "less humble" ring, and the righteous former human population is all over the place.
Gotta love that Christmas is the purge o clock for Hell.
For me it would be really cool if they made purgatory a thing, where if someone wasn’t good enough to go to heaven but wasnt bad enough to enter hell.
I think in a livestream viv said lucifer was an archangel. So, if you wanted to know what kind of angel, he was specifically I think that's what she said.
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I’m interested in what part Adam is going to take in the story
I can’t wait to finally see Adam and Lute😍
interesting how the angel rankings may be different to the original, as cherubim's are in the highest rank next to god. Although we may not know what Heavens or the ranks of angels are gonna be like.
I can’t wait for the Cain and Abel reveal
I’m still waiting on for Michel to show up
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i wonder if Mephistopheles will be in the show's and if he is what will he be. i really hope he is the father of hellhounds in the show's as i think it would be clever as Mephistopheles made the Faustian bargain a thing and for all intents and purposes dragged Faust to hell similar in a way to how hellhounds hunt sinner to bring them to hell.
I'm surprised there hasn't been any info if the there would be a Dante in the show(s) given how Dante is commonly associated with Hell (example: Dante's inferno. Novelization and/or game), but I'm sure that hasn't been addressed to avoid copyright from the DMC series.
I think the reason that Exterminations happen is because of this quote from George A. Romero: "When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth", hinting that when Hell gets overpopulated, anyone that dies won't go to hell and become a zombie or their sinner form on Earth.
And it would explain folklore monsters. With them being former sinners now monsters.
It would also be understandbale since most sinners gain weird transformations.
In this universe, Deadly Sins like Asmodeus, Mammon, Satan and the rest are fallen angels, just like Lucifer, right? It's just logical.
Of course. Except propably Leviathan. He is ancient sea monster
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i can just imagine michael descending down the sky and just throwing hands with the crew
A cool head canon I have is that those sinners who are killed yearly are reborn on earth for another chance to do better in human life to get to heaven. This is more comforting then them just going poof :(
Kinda disappointed with the design of Adam, seems like it could use a bit more in it.
If someone has had enough, the fear of the angels in the heaven shall become a reality. Just like how Marley made the Rumbling a reality out of fear and greed.
As a jew in israel I dont remember a charactar named lilith or any other wife of adam exept eve
And i also learned that eve and adam both were kicked out of the garden of eden (גן עדן in hebrew ) for breaking the only law which was eating the forbidin fruit
As a Catholic same. I heard that Lilith being being Adam’s first wife was in a Jewish Mythology but I didn’t know if it was true. I think mostly people heard about it and ran with it without checking sources. To me Lilith doesn’t make any sense because I thought Eve’s punishment for eating the forbidden fruit was to be obedient to Adam. Makes me think she was his equal before. And if you think about it Adam listened to Eve and ate the forbidden fruit too. If Eve wasn’t his equal he could have simply commanded her to not eat the forbidden fruit
Lilith is apocryphal and not in the Bible itself. Basically a nasty version of someone else’s god, like Beelzebub. She’s the mother of demons and personality responsible for SIDS. There are amulets in the archeological record that were ment to protect children from Lilith. So at some point she was believed in, but didn’t survive to modern day.
@@moondivine2288 as another Catholic I gotta agree too, I’m kinda confused
I wonder if we will see Michael aswell, considering how him and Lucifier squared off in the War of Heaven.
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Imagine being born on extermination day, that would suck.
I think it will be a pretty interesting turn of events if Lucifer never "fell", but simply just accepted the job of punishing sinners, given a great amount of power and even a royal title. This would make him a really interested antagonist as he will try to sabotage his own daughter if he sees her methods are actually working.
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Imagine the exterminator angels are the highest ranking angels that payed to be exterminators because they basically get to start a purge while having a "just" cause and not feel guilty
In fact, the Cherubim (Cherubs) are second in the hierarchy of angels, just below the Seraphim (Seraphs).
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I think the only one who can smite Lucy is God and Michael, maybe Gabriel and Raphael too, but others is below him
I would love it if in the end, after angels and demons viciously fight over each other's respective realm and who is to dominate both, they finally manage to enter God's tower of residence so he can have the last word on the matter - only to find out that he has long since left this universe as a total failure and went off to start creation anew someplace else. Meaning, there is no real power behing "good" and "evil" anymore, they're basically the same, just carrying on the illusion because they assumed there'd be a higher force behind everything.
This is not likely to happen, as Vivzie already said she will not include God himself into her story, but it would be a nice outcome.
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How the Heirarchy of Angels work
1st Sphere: contemplates and adores god directly(the freaky looking ones)
Seraphim
Name means the burning ones, and they are Attendants at the Throne of God. They praise God singing, “Holy Holy Holy is the Lord of Hosts!”
Cherubim
Name means the Fullness of Wisdom, and theyContemplate God’s providence. Assigned to protect special places.
Thrones
Represent the steadfastness of the love of God. The contemplate God’s power and judgment, and they appear as the most unlike the others when revealed.
2nd Sphere: Fulfil God's plan in the universe (close to both how they look like)
Dominions
Lord over the lower choirs and humanity. They take illumination from the higher hierarchies and govern the universe.
Virtues
Run the operation of movement in the universe. They are often associated with planets, elements, seasons, and nature.
Powers
Assist in governing the natural order. They are warrior angels tasked with fighting the war against the demonic choirs.
3rd Sphere: Interact and serve humanity closely (the more human-like ones)
Principalities
Princes of the lowest triad assigned to care and guard communities, kingdoms, states, and parishes. They are associated with transitions in power.
Archangels
Leader angels assigned to communicate and carryout God’s important plans for man. Michael, Gabriel, and Rafael are the only 3 names we know.
Angels
Angels are closest to the material world and humanity. The lowest choir is where we get the majority of our personal guardian angels.
I really need to know what happens at the exterminations. Do they specific sinner? Can you fight back? What if they want to kill more sinners? What if they start killing imp?
Because Adam has a guitar I think he is the new head of choir angel, which in the Bible is said to be gods right hand man. The job used to belong to Lucifer before he became a fallen angel