Just goes to prove that you have to be HONEST with yourself in your shooting. I need to work more on the fundamentals myself. The more you master the basics the easier everything else becomes. Thanks for this video, I really learned a lot. 😃🇺🇸
Excellent and accurate video. Always love hearing what Karl has to say and to learn from his experience. Keep these videos coming. Also the joke at 4:23 was amazing!
Thank you and as always great information. I've got my rig built up and can print good groups but could you do a video or share some knowledge on building dope? Like what data to record or how to organize it so I don't have a mass amount of data in chaos?
Density altitude is a combination of pressure, temperature and humidity. It is a single number for determining the drag while the bullet is in the air. You can get devices to give you this number. Air temperature effects muzzle velocity, hot powder burns faster and will produce a higher muzzle velocity. Now it isn't just air temperature, you can leave your ammo baking in the sun and it will burn faster then if it was at ambient temp so it is best to keep your ammo in the shade so you can create charts for ambient air temperature vs muzzle velocity. Now that you can figure out your DA (Density altitude) and MV (Muzzle velocity) then you can plug them into a ballistic calculator and it will give you your scope dial info. One thing to remember is that not all lots of bullets/ammo are going to be the same, the BC can vary from lot to lot so you may need to true your ballistic calculator. An example would be if it said that my dope is 4.5 mils at 400 yards and I am hitting low then I know I should adjust the BC lower which will cause the calculator to give you more adjustment. The error may not just be in the BC though, it could be in your scope. Same example, calc gives 4.5 mil and I am hitting low... this could also mean that the scope isn't actually adjusting by .1 mil every click but slightly less. OR you can have cant in the way you mounted your scope and this will also inject error into the calculator, causing you to think both the BC is lower than it really is and that you miscalculated wind (A canted scope will hit low and to the right or left). There is a tall target test you should do at 100 yards to make sure your scope is level (search bryan litz tall target test in youtube) and get the error in tracking. Then once you have that figured out you can calculate the true BC of the bullet you are shooting and adjust that. Once that is done all you will need to do is accurately calculate distance and wind and you will be on target.
Thanks Randy. It's always good to hear that a veteran precision shooter is watching and agreeing. I wish I could get into the precision rifle world a little deeper. Maybe someday. Thanks for watching. TR
Well said I have friends with very expensive weapon systems I hurt your feelings all the time with their own gun because they want to shoot a mile away and don't understand the concept great video keep them coming
i need to run my snipers through some 10 rd grouping drills. its easy to get side tracked with other drills and other training points and forget the basics. good video.
Tactical Rifleman if you get a chance, I'd love some videos regarding dope collection. The army seems to be moving us towards tracking MV with magnetospeeds...we've not had the best luck with ABC's via the truing method. Seems like it's always a guessing game. It works, just not as good as I'd like. I feel like the truing method requires us to lie about either the MV or the BC or both and I have a hard time keeping hard copy dope cards because of it.
Really enjoyed this video Karl. Here’s my comment and question. Put two different but equally skilled shooters on the same precision rifle , with the same quality hand loaded ammo. Two excellent shooters can employ excellent marksmanship skills but at the same time be imposing different forces on that gun. Hence getting two different results down range. I’ve personally seen it happen. What’s your opinion on this? Thanks in advance if you decide to respond. Keep up the great videos and I’ll keep watching.
Brother, you hit the nail right on the head... Just because they bought the best rifle/ammo combo and have been to the same schools, that does not make them equal shooters. You mentioned "different forces on that gun"; most viewers will equate that to just loading of the bipod (leaning into the gun). However, depending on shooting position, there are many points of contact. Heart beats and body tremors can be passed to the gun. That said, my most common observation is that most shooters don't properly size the gun to them... specifically the scope. A shooter must ensure that the diopter (eye piece) is properly adjusted for his individual eye sight. I have caught myself fudging this step from time to time, and my accuracy has paid for it. Also, Parallax bites a lot of shooters in the ass, either by the not caring or them forgetting to adjust for the next target. My second biggest observation is that, while they have had the classes, most shooters don't focus on the basics of marksmanship (position/breathing/smooth trigger squeeze).
Good info. Vertical dispersion usually becomes more apparent at distance (300+ yds) when I have a large ES/SD in velocity. I've had 77 gr OTM (Magtech) with a 100+ FPS ES that shot close to MOA at 100, but at 400 had up to 8" (2 MOA) in vertical dispersion. My 6.5 bolt guns have SD in low double digits (with handloads) and shoot really close to 1/2 MOA. The ammo is very consistent. The bolt guns remain close to 1/2 MOA to 800 yds.
I agree with almost everything but I will put my custom loads against any factory load. There are soooo many more factors involved than just projectile and powder. Case length and headspace alone are giant factors at long range shooting! Not to mention how close the round is to the LANS. You can make a crappy rifle shoot pretty well by loading custom rounds for it.
I had a rifle that I bought good glass but cheap rings and after about 200rounds my groups got super wierd like I would shoot a good sub moa group on zero, it was usually about a .5 moa rifle but figured I just wasnt shooting that well that day but as soon as I set the rifle down and came back the zero was way off but the group was about the same. I did game of rezeroing and then having it be wildly off again for about 40 minutes before I realized that one of the screws in my front scope ring had sheared in half and so that scope ring wasn't putting any tension what so ever on the scope. Never cheaped out on rings after that
A lot of really good information here. I would add that it's important to remember that a single shot group isn't entirely diagnostic as there are mixed pictures of wind, barrel warm up on heavy training days, and of course shooter error. I know that I for one will have different errors when cold bore / cold shooter compared to later in the training session when I'm getting fatigued. Lots of groups help distill out the real answers. Great video!
Thanks for your service and the videos I thoroughly enjoy them. I grew up admiring you guys who are members of the special operations community as my heroes. I'm curious now that you are out do you firearms training for civilians? If so where would I look to book a class?
You can reach out to us on the message board, and let us know what kind of training you are looking for. Also, we will have our new training website up this week... tacticalrifleman.com, and it should have a list of upcoming classes. We can come to you, or you can come to one of training facilities that we have teaming agreements with. TR
I have a body issue I know. 2 wks ago at 150 yds I shot a group just over 1 1/4" and today with the same gun, same ammo I was shooting groups over 3" at 200 yds and just a month ago my groups were 1 7/8" at 200. I just go again and hope my 64 yr old brain and nervous system settles down for that outing lol. Keep em coming!
Bob, that's still good shooting. Next time, forget about the target or shot group... and focus on maintaining identical/perfect position, repeatable for every shot. Breathing & smooth Trigger Squeeze, repeatable for every shot. I don't want one perfect shot... rather, I want 5 shots that are done IDENTICAL. Once you master this, you'll start seeing that heart beat moving your glass. Next step, shooting between beats. Master the basics, and focus on consistency; and those tight groups will grow even tighter. Strength & Honor, TR.
Great video! One load I was testing in my 6.5 Creedmoor shot sub 1/4" MOA at 200 yds with a 24x scope (one hole). It opened up at 300 yds to 1/2- 3/4 MOA. I'm thinking it's because of my old eyes (shooter error). Or could it be something else? Wind drift multiplying, etc. I have not tested ES on my reloads. No meth on the 300 yd day either.
That's some great shooting... even for the accurate 6.5 Don't fret it opening up a bit. Yes, it could have been a bit of wind/spin drift/mirage; or it just could have been your eyes/position or a dozen other factors or variables that we didn't cover. The point is that you have established a baseline, which is great. Now, go out and check those same groups at 900m. Again, great shooting, and thanks for watching. TR
Another excellent video. Everybody wants to run before they learn how to walk, but its mastering the basics that truly gets the job done in the end. Thanks for the great info on pattern diagnostics and a great presentation, kudos!
90% of issues that arise when I'm having one of those days are me. Failure on fundamentals, mental failures, poor wind reading. When I'm on my game I am a 1 minute shooter out to 300 (max distance on the range). The rifle will do better. My goal is first to become a consistent 1 Minute shooter. Then really put the rifle to work. Range time is critical. It is hard to maintain skills if you do not put in the time. I work off of not how many times I fire but how well I maintain the groups. I might be wrong but rain or shine I find if I start stretching the groups I'm failing to do something.
Boy was this great. The clarification, superb. I was once told the difference between accuracy and precision was can you get near your target or can you hit your target. But this was truly great. Way to go over there fellas! Nailed it again. 🇺🇸 👍
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Very clear/concise concepts on fundamentals of marksmanship and why this happens or doesn't happen.... even a Meth addict could understand maybe lol. A novice shooter can learn a lot watching your videos.
Karl, Great content as always. what you said is everything that was preached to me at sniper school when I went thru and I believe and know every bit of what you said to be true.
I’ll start this off by saying I am a good shooter but no marksman. I sighted in my $6k rifle using 143 grain Hornady ELD-x and my average group was 0.6-0.7 inches at 100 yards. I have never tried to shoot a group past 200 yards but I can tell you that the mirage off the barrel and out at distance can make shooting groups incredibly tough. Sometimes the optic is blurry and I’m using a $2,700 Valdada Recon G-2 so it’s not cheap by any means. Shooting at distance is very tough and I wouldn’t say factory ammo is better than an experienced hand load dialed for your rifle. I have seen guys produce sub 1/2 MOA shot groups at 100 with loads their rifle likes. You 1 MOA or 1/2 MOA rifle is like a cone of accuracy and not an exact pinpoint spot on a target. So you could still have a 1/2 or better gun, you just need to shoot enough groups to know what your dealing with. I hate guys who shoot 3 shot groups or just shoot 1 group and say this gun is a ……lol
steel on target, Karl! (all pun intended) Know the limitation of the tool, the user, the environment, the tactics....and the adversary. With TACA1, I use 0.5 MOA standard to measure the user accuracy against the mechanical (rifle+ammo+optics) accuracy With the AK shortie, I use minute-of-heart for 100 and minute-of-torso for 200 LOL At what point do you introduce speed to the drill, Karl? Shoot till failure point and find that sweet spot of speed vs. accuracy
Actually, we do have a number of "speed" drills for the sniper teams, and yes, most are loosely based on establishing where the team's limit is for speed without loss of acceptable accuracy.
I have a friend that when we went out to the range last time he was stringing rounds vertically 5-6” at 100 yards. I asked to shoot the rifle I shot 1.5 inches with same bullets @ 100 yards. Which for this rifle was respectable. I observed him as he shot and his follow through was weak and his trigger control needed help and by the time we finished our training session he was shooting 1.5-2 inches which we are fine tuning. Little bit at a time.
Amen to that. Most of the time, it is NOT the rifle. Money can buy Precision, but only training can buy Accuracy. Thanks for helping him out and thanks for watching, TR.
Scotty, great to hear from you, and I'm glad you like the video. I need your help. When you get settled in Florida, help me find a local place where I can come teach courses. We are going to ramp up teaching courses to the private sector, and am looking for locations across the US that we can do a facility rental or partner agreement. Depending on the subject, I mostly just need a classroom and flat range. I don't currently have a place in Florida. Thanks in Advance. TR.
Tactical Rifleman Hey Top here's one place I am going to try and get a membership to. It has long range short range CQB pistol shotgun carbine Sniper Ranges out to 1200 or 1500 contact info is on the site page I'm sure. I'll keep looking as soon as I can get down there. It's in the area of Pensacola Fort Walton Beach That's Eglin AFB Hulbert Field AFB and Duke Army Air Field and 7th Grp www.coreshooting.com/
Cool. Once you get down there and feel them out, see if they are game for working with us to setup a Tactical Rifleman class down there every so often. Thanks in Advance, TR
Love this channel.... anyone know what the radio chatter is saying in the beginning lol I'd have to respond.... um thats very broken and unreadable.... say your last.
When you talked about bad ammo stinging shots high and low even the quality of the brass can affect chamber pressure. High quality (match) brass will be more consistent on the flash hole and case wall thickness while cheap brass will have greater deviation from case to case and lot to lot and the same goes with primers.
Amen, Brother. I agree 100%. However, this video was already going to be long. So, I tried to keep the contents to the basics. That said, we plan on filming another video that will cover all factors that effect Accuracy. Thanks for chiming in. Strength & Honor, TR.
Internet ninja reporting for duty. As a special forces sniper, you would probably prefer to self-load your ammo each time to ensure consistency? I mean, if you have to take a tactical shot in a hostage situation you wouldn't want to rely on bad ammo. Thanks for adding another sniper video, was epic as per usual. Also, do you guys sell the tactical rifleman apparel? The skull is epic.
Marius, I do hand load ammo. However, for military ops, I would rely on good Mil Spec Match ammo, like the M-118LR. As for apparel... Yep, we sell it. Just click on the logo at the end of the video, and it'll take you to our store. Only t-shirts, hoodies, and coffee cups for now. We are trying to find a place that does hats & patches, but they all have "minimum order" numbers that are insane. Thanks for watching. TR
Hey Karl, love your videos. Quick question. Let's say I'm going out for the day, light kit, and I'm gonna be walking a lot. What would you recommend for steadying my rifle for a long range shot from prone? I usually just use my pack off my back but my buddy says I would do better if I carry some sort of shooting sticks/bipod. Just wondering what your thoughts were on this. Keep up the good vids, and thanks for doing what you do.
A couple of my pig hunting buddies use sticks and bipods, and I think it largely comes down to shooter and terrain. Bipod vs Pack I personally don't see much of a difference and prefer to use the pack since I have it with me anyway and it keeps weight off the end of the rifle, however some of the sticks can help you steady a shot while kneeling and even standing fully upright. For my friends that use them I have seen the sticks be incredibly useful in terrain where there is a lot of ground clutter and you don't have anything off the ground to rest the pack or bipod on, although I don't think they are quite as stable as a pack or bipod.
The key to long range accuracy is consistency. So, if you zero with a bipod, then use a bipod for that 1,200m shot. Everything must be the same. That said, I practice shooting 6" to 6ft off the ground; as that is what we find in combat. Same with hunting. Practice shooting every 6 inches from ground to standing. You'll find you suck at different heights. Then, find ways to make you better that those heights. When I deer/hog hunt, I run a Bipod. I do have shooting sticks, but I can usually find a suitable rest(tree fork, truck fender, spotter's shoulder) faster than busting out the sticks. Again, just my opinion. Thanks for watching. TR.
Hi, i am a Manager and work 14 hours a day 7 days a week on a remote Western Australian cattle station (ranch in the USA) consisting of 3.000.000 acres or roughly 12.000 square kilometers and feral dogs,horses,camels,donkey's and cats (and some of worlds deadliest snakes (killed one last night in my office) are a constant issue. i wont shoot animals at long range due to risk of injuring animal instead of killing it outright as to do so would be irrisponsible and cruel but i do like to shoot at long ranges. I have just purchsed (along with a marlin 30/30 lever action and 2 x 12G shotguns for closer in action-snakes especially) a Tikka T3x A1 tactical in .308 with Vortex strike eagle 5-25-50 scope and wondering what is best way to illiminate heart beat as i seem to have this issue and notice a movement which pulls my reticule to my left about an inch on targets over 100-200meters which i am sure you know over longer range may as well be several meters. Any advice on how i can illiminate this (besides dying for you keyboard ninja's) as it is my only constant issue when shooting. Thanks not only for your video's but for your service, glad you made it home in one piece! Cheers mate, Paul
I bought a good 308 and a correct 3-9x50 to begin with. I was shooting cheap ammo to learn and now I shoot match ammo. I am already able to shoot MOA group. I still learn and try to correct my mistakes. Now after 100 rounds (for this gun...) at 100m (lying in 3 feet of snow), I gonna try some grouping at 200m. I will start from scratch when the snow will be gone. My plan is to be able to shoot 500m at the end of the summer and 1000m next summer. I will shoot 20 rounds of this gun every month. But many more of something else to stay sharpe. Am I on the good way?
Ok, I just about pissed my pants with "If you're a meth addict, you're probly not gonna make a good sniper" subscribed. liked. Minus very good perspective & info. I think I'll leave the hot rails at home before I go check my groups from now on.;) Bamf vid fellas.
that 500m group is real yummy Teach me sensei .5moa is about my limit(.308 Tikka CTR in German Gun Stock + Razor HDG2 27x) at 100y with a bipod and sock off a bench. Once i move out to 500y, and get into the prone, my groups open waay up(~7in). I definitely need to work on improving my prone position. Most definitely something wrong. Lots of vertical stringing, but not even that is consistent.
Thank you for this perspective on accuracy vs precision. It is informative, presented clearly and well. Sure it is basics but fundamentals are never out of style. I would also like to say with all due respect, thank you for your service in the defense of our nation. If it were not for our military we might not be enjoying this video with the freedom to watch it as we can.
Enter NRA Long Range Competitions. These facilitate learning about everything important to good shooting. Most overlooked by the novice is how to analyze shooter error. Here's the crux of it: Analysis is essentially attempting to determine the cause of misplaced shots. Different sizes and shapes of shot groups can occur because of a multitude of problems/errors, making it difficult to discern all the possible causes for misplaced shots in some instances; yet, since all shooter errors originate from position/act of firing inconsistency, and incorrect compensation for effects on trajectory, not hitting where aimed can be quickly resolved without troubleshooting by simply attending to what’s important to good shooting, (i.e. sight alignment and trigger control). Still, correctly analyzing the cause of shot misplacement can hasten error correction. Without the aid of a coach to observe and question the shooter about how the shot looked, the shooter has two methods of analysis, call/strike corollary, and group assessment. Each of these methods can be expedited with a spotting scope. Call/strike corollary which shows shots are on call and where desired indicates proper sight adjustment for distance/conditions and proper execution of the two firing tasks. Shots on call but not where desired indicates proper sight alignment, and sight adjustment but movement of the rifle, possibly from poor trigger control. Shots off call, the bullet striking someplace other than where it was thought to hit, may mean sights are misaligned, inconsistent sight picture, or sights not adjusted correctly to account for distance to target, slope, or wind and weather conditions. Vertical group assessment shows good trigger control and poor elevation. Some of the possible causes of vertical grouping are: 1. Poor follow through 2. Changing sight picture 3. A very low position 4. Changing sight alignment 5. Failure to maintain proper eye sight alignment 6. Changing distance from eye to front sight 7. Varying rifle butt position in shoulder 8. Position of left elbow wrong (rifle fired from right shoulder) 9. Not enough head pressure Horizontal group assessment shows good elevation and poor trigger control. Some of the possible causes of horizontal grouping are: 1. High right shoulder 2. High vertical position 3. Jerking the trigger 4. Varying head pressure 5. Movement of the right elbow 6. No stability of position 7. Change in sight picture 8. Failure to maintain proper sight alignment Initially, an expert coach should be solicited to observe the shooter’s position. This is because a correct position will be at first unnatural; and therefore, the shooter will not understand when he’s built the position properly. The coach can correct visible errors; better assuring the shooter is developing muscle memory for a correct position from the start.
I invested in season 2. Friends didn't. I got fooled by a game I truly had held out for, thinking it still has potential. It's never too late, but man. Definitely boycotting season 3. I have the points to get it without spending money, because I already did, but still considering just saving'em.
Then of course we can include the Coriolis effect on the longer shots as well as spin drift. Sniping is not only an art , it is a science and a philosophy as well it would seem.
Normally, but you see how a poor shooter can just as easily miss left or right as he can high or low. Especially when shooting from non-standard less stable positions. Thanks for watching, TR
It would be interesting to see you do a video about fighting at night against a near-peer adversary, when you can't use normal illuminators and lasers. I understand that even Isis and the Taliban has been getting their hands on some NODs, so I wonder if this is becoming more of an issue. Obviously I'm not asking you to spill any specific TTP's, but just a general overview would be nice.
John, that's the issue... we do teach these TTPs in classes, but we don't want these tactics out there, open source. Here at Tactical Rifleman, we are all about share techniques, but NOT tactics. If you want tactics, you'll have to sign up for a class. Thanks for watching, TR.
My SR-25 MK-11 was a 1.25 MOA gun. I carried them from the initial invasion of Afghanistan through 2007. Yes, I know they are marketed as "sub MOA." I call a Apple an "Apple."
Dude you have got to learn. When you say shot group stringing up and down now it's going to string all around. There isn't three things that make up accuracy. Just as much as velocity SD and so on CONDITION S are y-you don't grab the turret immediately. Mr. Military don't know it oh and then runs his mouth on the great deal that it does and I appreciate your videos.
From what I know and testing I’ve done you’ve left out variables that could cause accuracy problems. Say you have 2 308s both 20” weapons both have the a 1:10 twist. They may not shoot the same ammo as well as the other rifle. But in my experiences and training shooters that’s where most of the problems are.
While I agree that you can improve accuracy by matching ammo to a particular weapon; in the military, we are often restricted to using military issue ammo. So, more often than not, the errors are usually shooter induced. Thanks for chiming in and thanks for watching. Strength & Honor, TR
I was also military. When not all the rifles would shoot good they went back to get worked over. New barrel whatever it needed to shoot. But not all the people that watch your channel are military so I’m just saying you got to think of that to. M118LR won’t shoot out of all 308s just like MK262 won’t shoot in all 556s. Explaining more about bullet weight and twist rates to shoot the ammo can help out the guys that couldn’t join but are enthusiasts. Just trying to help you out giving you info that I thought you missed that could help your viewers. I only say all this stuff cause I build custom rifles now for a living and these are things that I’ve also ran into with lots of calibers. Just giving you perspective for all of you audience.
Jay, thanks for the comments... You're right, we should do a video on all of the factors that play into making a Precision Weapon System. Put some notes together... like a rough outline, and let me know if you can be ready to film later this Summer. You can do the video with me. Seriously, the point of putting together Tactical Rifleman was to bring together subject matter experts (SMEs) to talk about whatever passion they had (Shoot/Move/Communicate). I could do this, but I prefer to have others on film. Let me know if you are interested. We could help pimp your guns. Strength & Honor, TR.
Yep... I love my Leatherman. I carry a Surge on my War belt, with extra bits & saw blades, when teaching classes or in the field. I also carry a Wave everywhere else.
In addition, once I'm on at 500m, I like to jump straight back to the 900m berm to confirm/true my Ballistic Computer. That big of a jump will really show if your shit is "OFF." If more people did this, they wouldn't just be out "plinking" at the 1500m UKD Range.
"If you're a meth addict, you're probably not going to be a good sniper". Classic!!
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Concerned Citizen they'd hock that shit for a few hundred bucks, buy dope, get a motel room, and overdose.... Problem solved.
I will help them get off drugs permanently.
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My thoughts exactly!!
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They are beter known for their spray and pray technique.
Over the last year or so this channel has risen and proven itself as one of the best tactical UA-cam channels.
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I do not think sniper videos are boring, keep posting them. Thanks for the pics.
Agreed, videos like this are perhaps the most important ones regardless of views
Tango Chaser Definitely slow jerk material.
Yes, this is the best tactical instruction channel out there.
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Quote of the day "if you're a meth addict you probably won't make a good sniper"
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Ha twas a good one, gave me a chuckle.
Just goes to prove that you have to be HONEST with yourself in your shooting. I need to work more on the fundamentals myself. The more you master the basics the easier everything else becomes. Thanks for this video, I really learned a lot. 😃🇺🇸
Mr. Cool True story. Bullsh*t artists and tall tale fishermen need not apply.
Mastering the fundamentals is a lifelong pursuit!
Excellent and accurate video. Always love hearing what Karl has to say and to learn from his experience. Keep these videos coming.
Also the joke at 4:23 was amazing!
Thank you and as always great information. I've got my rig built up and can print good groups but could you do a video or share some knowledge on building dope? Like what data to record or how to organize it so I don't have a mass amount of data in chaos?
Density altitude is a combination of pressure, temperature and humidity. It is a single number for determining the drag while the bullet is in the air. You can get devices to give you this number. Air temperature effects muzzle velocity, hot powder burns faster and will produce a higher muzzle velocity. Now it isn't just air temperature, you can leave your ammo baking in the sun and it will burn faster then if it was at ambient temp so it is best to keep your ammo in the shade so you can create charts for ambient air temperature vs muzzle velocity. Now that you can figure out your DA (Density altitude) and MV (Muzzle velocity) then you can plug them into a ballistic calculator and it will give you your scope dial info. One thing to remember is that not all lots of bullets/ammo are going to be the same, the BC can vary from lot to lot so you may need to true your ballistic calculator. An example would be if it said that my dope is 4.5 mils at 400 yards and I am hitting low then I know I should adjust the BC lower which will cause the calculator to give you more adjustment. The error may not just be in the BC though, it could be in your scope. Same example, calc gives 4.5 mil and I am hitting low... this could also mean that the scope isn't actually adjusting by .1 mil every click but slightly less. OR you can have cant in the way you mounted your scope and this will also inject error into the calculator, causing you to think both the BC is lower than it really is and that you miscalculated wind (A canted scope will hit low and to the right or left). There is a tall target test you should do at 100 yards to make sure your scope is level (search bryan litz tall target test in youtube) and get the error in tracking. Then once you have that figured out you can calculate the true BC of the bullet you are shooting and adjust that. Once that is done all you will need to do is accurately calculate distance and wind and you will be on target.
Great video Karl. I’ve been shooting precision rifle for 50 years. Great points.
Thanks Randy. It's always good to hear that a veteran precision shooter is watching and agreeing. I wish I could get into the precision rifle world a little deeper. Maybe someday. Thanks for watching. TR
Well said I have friends with very expensive weapon systems I hurt your feelings all the time with their own gun because they want to shoot a mile away and don't understand the concept great video keep them coming
i need to run my snipers through some 10 rd grouping drills. its easy to get side tracked with other drills and other training points and forget the basics. good video.
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Tactical Rifleman if you get a chance, I'd love some videos regarding dope collection. The army seems to be moving us towards tracking MV with magnetospeeds...we've not had the best luck with ABC's via the truing method. Seems like it's always a guessing game. It works, just not as good as I'd like. I feel like the truing method requires us to lie about either the MV or the BC or both and I have a hard time keeping hard copy dope cards because of it.
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If you're a meth addict and a sniper, your training philosophy should be "You need to take a hit to make a hit." Lol...nice video, sir.
Beautifully and expertly explaining a complex subject. Thanks!
Really enjoyed this video Karl. Here’s my comment and question.
Put two different but equally skilled shooters on the same precision rifle , with the same quality hand loaded ammo. Two excellent shooters can employ excellent marksmanship skills but at the same time be imposing different forces on that gun. Hence getting two different results down range. I’ve personally seen it happen.
What’s your opinion on this?
Thanks in advance if you decide to respond. Keep up the great videos and I’ll keep watching.
Brother, you hit the nail right on the head... Just because they bought the best rifle/ammo combo and have been to the same schools, that does not make them equal shooters. You mentioned "different forces on that gun"; most viewers will equate that to just loading of the bipod (leaning into the gun). However, depending on shooting position, there are many points of contact. Heart beats and body tremors can be passed to the gun. That said, my most common observation is that most shooters don't properly size the gun to them... specifically the scope. A shooter must ensure that the diopter (eye piece) is properly adjusted for his individual eye sight. I have caught myself fudging this step from time to time, and my accuracy has paid for it. Also, Parallax bites a lot of shooters in the ass, either by the not caring or them forgetting to adjust for the next target. My second biggest observation is that, while they have had the classes, most shooters don't focus on the basics of marksmanship (position/breathing/smooth trigger squeeze).
Tactical Rifleman Outstanding! Thanks for passing down the knowledge
Good info.
Vertical dispersion usually becomes more apparent at distance (300+ yds) when I have a large ES/SD in velocity.
I've had 77 gr OTM (Magtech) with a 100+ FPS ES that shot close to MOA at 100, but at 400 had up to 8" (2 MOA) in vertical dispersion.
My 6.5 bolt guns have SD in low double digits (with handloads) and shoot really close to 1/2 MOA. The ammo is very consistent.
The bolt guns remain close to 1/2 MOA to 800 yds.
awesome how calm that guy on the ground is. a real pro!
Really enjoy these presentations. Very clear and complete information. Karl knows his shit!
I agree with almost everything but I will put my custom loads against any factory load. There are soooo many more factors involved than just projectile and powder. Case length and headspace alone are giant factors at long range shooting! Not to mention how close the round is to the LANS. You can make a crappy rifle shoot pretty well by loading custom rounds for it.
Agreed
I had a guy next to me on the range that didn’t tighten the scope hardware on the rifle and it drove him nuts for hours.
Agreed... You've gotta have good glass
I had a rifle that I bought good glass but cheap rings and after about 200rounds my groups got super wierd like I would shoot a good sub moa group on zero, it was usually about a .5 moa rifle but figured I just wasnt shooting that well that day but as soon as I set the rifle down and came back the zero was way off but the group was about the same. I did game of rezeroing and then having it be wildly off again for about 40 minutes before I realized that one of the screws in my front scope ring had sheared in half and so that scope ring wasn't putting any tension what so ever on the scope. Never cheaped out on rings after that
A lot of really good information here. I would add that it's important to remember that a single shot group isn't entirely diagnostic as there are mixed pictures of wind, barrel warm up on heavy training days, and of course shooter error. I know that I for one will have different errors when cold bore / cold shooter compared to later in the training session when I'm getting fatigued. Lots of groups help distill out the real answers. Great video!
Amen... Thanks for chiming in, and great comments. Strength & Honor, TR
Thanks for your service and the videos I thoroughly enjoy them. I grew up admiring you guys who are members of the special operations community as my heroes. I'm curious now that you are out do you firearms training for civilians? If so where would I look to book a class?
You can reach out to us on the message board, and let us know what kind of training you are looking for. Also, we will have our new training website up this week... tacticalrifleman.com, and it should have a list of upcoming classes. We can come to you, or you can come to one of training facilities that we have teaming agreements with. TR
Thanks Karl, I appreciate your videos.
Can you review a small segment of velocity to achieve accuracy at certain ranges?
Excellent info, really useful not just for Operators Operating Operationally, but also for your everyday civilian target shooter. Thanks, Karl!
I have a body issue I know. 2 wks ago at 150 yds I shot a group just over 1 1/4" and today with the same gun, same ammo I was shooting groups over 3" at 200 yds and just a month ago my groups were 1 7/8" at 200. I just go again and hope my 64 yr old brain and nervous system settles down for that outing lol. Keep em coming!
Bob, that's still good shooting. Next time, forget about the target or shot group... and focus on maintaining identical/perfect position, repeatable for every shot. Breathing & smooth Trigger Squeeze, repeatable for every shot. I don't want one perfect shot... rather, I want 5 shots that are done IDENTICAL. Once you master this, you'll start seeing that heart beat moving your glass. Next step, shooting between beats. Master the basics, and focus on consistency; and those tight groups will grow even tighter. Strength & Honor, TR.
Great video!
One load I was testing in my 6.5 Creedmoor shot sub 1/4" MOA at 200 yds with a 24x scope (one hole). It opened up at 300 yds to 1/2- 3/4 MOA. I'm thinking it's because of my old eyes (shooter error). Or could it be something else? Wind drift multiplying, etc. I have not tested ES on my reloads. No meth on the 300 yd day either.
That's some great shooting... even for the accurate 6.5 Don't fret it opening up a bit. Yes, it could have been a bit of wind/spin drift/mirage; or it just could have been your eyes/position or a dozen other factors or variables that we didn't cover. The point is that you have established a baseline, which is great. Now, go out and check those same groups at 900m. Again, great shooting, and thanks for watching. TR
Another excellent video. Everybody wants to run before they learn how to walk, but its mastering the basics that truly gets the job done in the end. Thanks for the great info on pattern diagnostics and a great presentation, kudos!
Thanks Steve!!!
Hell Yeah! More cool sniper stuff!
90% of issues that arise when I'm having one of those days are me. Failure on fundamentals, mental failures, poor wind reading. When I'm on my game I am a 1 minute shooter out to 300 (max distance on the range). The rifle will do better. My goal is first to become a consistent 1 Minute shooter. Then really put the rifle to work. Range time is critical. It is hard to maintain skills if you do not put in the time. I work off of not how many times I fire but how well I maintain the groups. I might be wrong but rain or shine I find if I start stretching the groups I'm failing to do something.
Boy was this great. The clarification, superb. I was once told the difference between accuracy and precision was can you get near your target or can you hit your target. But this was truly great. Way to go over there fellas! Nailed it again. 🇺🇸 👍
Thanks
Would love to hear some combat stories, Karl! Hopefully you consider it for the next video idea. :)
We just launched our Patreon and one of the perks is "Story time" with Karl where he will get into some combat stories. check it out: www.patreon.com/TacticalRifleman
Very clear/concise concepts on fundamentals of marksmanship and why this happens or doesn't happen.... even a Meth addict could understand maybe lol. A novice shooter can learn a lot watching your videos.
Thanks for watching, TR
Karl, Great content as always. what you said is everything that was preached to me at sniper school when I went thru and I believe and know every bit of what you said to be true.
Thanks for watching. I miss the old days of being a “sniper school student.” TR
Great video Karl!
Thankyou. Very good advice.
good info. liked the way you explained
I’ll start this off by saying I am a good shooter but no marksman. I sighted in my $6k rifle using 143 grain Hornady ELD-x and my average group was 0.6-0.7 inches at 100 yards. I have never tried to shoot a group past 200 yards but I can tell you that the mirage off the barrel and out at distance can make shooting groups incredibly tough. Sometimes the optic is blurry and I’m using a $2,700 Valdada Recon G-2 so it’s not cheap by any means. Shooting at distance is very tough and I wouldn’t say factory ammo is better than an experienced hand load dialed for your rifle. I have seen guys produce sub 1/2 MOA shot groups at 100 with loads their rifle likes. You 1 MOA or 1/2 MOA rifle is like a cone of accuracy and not an exact pinpoint spot on a target. So you could still have a 1/2 or better gun, you just need to shoot enough groups to know what your dealing with. I hate guys who shoot 3 shot groups or just shoot 1 group and say this gun is a ……lol
steel on target, Karl! (all pun intended)
Know the limitation of the tool, the user, the environment, the tactics....and the adversary.
With TACA1, I use 0.5 MOA standard to measure the user accuracy against the mechanical (rifle+ammo+optics) accuracy
With the AK shortie, I use minute-of-heart for 100 and minute-of-torso for 200 LOL
At what point do you introduce speed to the drill, Karl? Shoot till failure point and find that sweet spot of speed vs. accuracy
Actually, we do have a number of "speed" drills for the sniper teams, and yes, most are loosely based on establishing where the team's limit is for speed without loss of acceptable accuracy.
I have a friend that when we went out to the range last time he was stringing rounds vertically 5-6” at 100 yards. I asked to shoot the rifle I shot 1.5 inches with same bullets @ 100 yards. Which for this rifle was respectable. I observed him as he shot and his follow through was weak and his trigger control needed help and by the time we finished our training session he was shooting 1.5-2 inches which we are fine tuning. Little bit at a time.
Amen to that. Most of the time, it is NOT the rifle. Money can buy Precision, but only training can buy Accuracy. Thanks for helping him out and thanks for watching, TR.
This was some great advice Top I will take full advantage of it ASAP after I get settled in Florida
Scotty, great to hear from you, and I'm glad you like the video. I need your help. When you get settled in Florida, help me find a local place where I can come teach courses. We are going to ramp up teaching courses to the private sector, and am looking for locations across the US that we can do a facility rental or partner agreement. Depending on the subject, I mostly just need a classroom and flat range. I don't currently have a place in Florida. Thanks in Advance. TR.
Tactical Rifleman Hey Top here's one place I am going to try and get a membership to. It has long range short range CQB pistol shotgun carbine Sniper Ranges out to 1200 or 1500 contact info is on the site page I'm sure. I'll keep looking as soon as I can get down there. It's in the area of Pensacola Fort Walton Beach That's Eglin AFB Hulbert Field AFB and Duke Army Air Field and 7th Grp
www.coreshooting.com/
Cool. Once you get down there and feel them out, see if they are game for working with us to setup a Tactical Rifleman class down there every so often. Thanks in Advance, TR
Love this channel.... anyone know what the radio chatter is saying in the beginning lol I'd have to respond.... um thats very broken and unreadable.... say your last.
When you talked about bad ammo stinging shots high and low even the quality of the brass can affect chamber pressure. High quality (match) brass will be more consistent on the flash hole and case wall thickness while cheap brass will have greater deviation from case to case and lot to lot and the same goes with primers.
Amen, Brother. I agree 100%. However, this video was already going to be long. So, I tried to keep the contents to the basics. That said, we plan on filming another video that will cover all factors that effect Accuracy. Thanks for chiming in. Strength & Honor, TR.
Yep. Old bench guys would say. Trim thin to win. Brass prep very important
Another awsome video always looking forward to your videos very informative thank you
Omg! Meth addict statement was classic!
Internet ninja reporting for duty. As a special forces sniper, you would probably prefer to self-load your ammo each time to ensure consistency? I mean, if you have to take a tactical shot in a hostage situation you wouldn't want to rely on bad ammo.
Thanks for adding another sniper video, was epic as per usual. Also, do you guys sell the tactical rifleman apparel? The skull is epic.
Marius, I do hand load ammo. However, for military ops, I would rely on good Mil Spec Match ammo, like the M-118LR. As for apparel... Yep, we sell it. Just click on the logo at the end of the video, and it'll take you to our store. Only t-shirts, hoodies, and coffee cups for now. We are trying to find a place that does hats & patches, but they all have "minimum order" numbers that are insane. Thanks for watching. TR
Check out TUFF Products. They are great and fully support the gun and training industries.
Great advice always
Sniping is *so much harder* than people give it credit for... and I was already giving you guys lots of credit!
Thanks Jake.
Army Sniper School is 5 weeks long for a reason. I went through in 1996.
Sniper videos are the best :)
As always, solid material
Hey Karl, love your videos. Quick question. Let's say I'm going out for the day, light kit, and I'm gonna be walking a lot. What would you recommend for steadying my rifle for a long range shot from prone? I usually just use my pack off my back but my buddy says I would do better if I carry some sort of shooting sticks/bipod. Just wondering what your thoughts were on this. Keep up the good vids, and thanks for doing what you do.
A couple of my pig hunting buddies use sticks and bipods, and I think it largely comes down to shooter and terrain. Bipod vs Pack I personally don't see much of a difference and prefer to use the pack since I have it with me anyway and it keeps weight off the end of the rifle, however some of the sticks can help you steady a shot while kneeling and even standing fully upright. For my friends that use them I have seen the sticks be incredibly useful in terrain where there is a lot of ground clutter and you don't have anything off the ground to rest the pack or bipod on, although I don't think they are quite as stable as a pack or bipod.
Sounds legit. Thanks for the input!
The key to long range accuracy is consistency. So, if you zero with a bipod, then use a bipod for that 1,200m shot. Everything must be the same. That said, I practice shooting 6" to 6ft off the ground; as that is what we find in combat. Same with hunting. Practice shooting every 6 inches from ground to standing. You'll find you suck at different heights. Then, find ways to make you better that those heights. When I deer/hog hunt, I run a Bipod. I do have shooting sticks, but I can usually find a suitable rest(tree fork, truck fender, spotter's shoulder) faster than busting out the sticks. Again, just my opinion. Thanks for watching. TR.
Thank you 😊
Hi, i am a Manager and work 14 hours a day 7 days a week on a remote Western Australian cattle station (ranch in the USA) consisting of 3.000.000 acres or roughly 12.000 square kilometers and feral dogs,horses,camels,donkey's and cats (and some of worlds deadliest snakes (killed one last night in my office) are a constant issue. i wont shoot animals at long range due to risk of injuring animal instead of killing it outright as to do so would be irrisponsible and cruel but i do like to shoot at long ranges. I have just purchsed (along with a marlin 30/30 lever action and 2 x 12G shotguns for closer in action-snakes especially) a Tikka T3x A1 tactical in .308 with Vortex strike eagle 5-25-50 scope and wondering what is best way to illiminate heart beat as i seem to have this issue and notice a movement which pulls my reticule to my left about an inch on targets over 100-200meters which i am sure you know over longer range may as well be several meters. Any advice on how i can illiminate this (besides dying for you keyboard ninja's) as it is my only constant issue when shooting. Thanks not only for your video's but for your service, glad you made it home in one piece! Cheers mate, Paul
Adjust your position so the heartbeat is seen through scope
Wow. There is a lot of good info in this video. Keep it up.
I bought a good 308 and a correct 3-9x50 to begin with. I was shooting cheap ammo to learn and now I shoot match ammo. I am already able to shoot MOA group. I still learn and try to correct my mistakes. Now after 100 rounds (for this gun...) at 100m (lying in 3 feet of snow), I gonna try some grouping at 200m. I will start from scratch when the snow will be gone. My plan is to be able to shoot 500m at the end of the summer and 1000m next summer. I will shoot 20 rounds of this gun every month. But many more of something else to stay sharpe. Am I on the good way?
Solid plan. You are doing great. TR
Another superb video, great information.
Ok, I just about pissed my pants with "If you're a meth addict, you're probly not gonna make a good sniper" subscribed. liked. Minus very good perspective & info. I think I'll leave the hot rails at home before I go check my groups from now on.;) Bamf vid fellas.
that 500m group is real yummy
Teach me sensei
.5moa is about my limit(.308 Tikka CTR in German Gun Stock + Razor HDG2 27x) at 100y with a bipod and sock off a bench. Once i move out to 500y, and get into the prone, my groups open waay up(~7in). I definitely need to work on improving my prone position. Most definitely something wrong. Lots of vertical stringing, but not even that is consistent.
I really like the sniper videos. Do you think you could do one on how to better shoot from a sitting position?
Sure, I'll add to the list
Very cool! Can't wait for it
Great vid guys!
Thank you for this perspective on accuracy vs precision. It is informative, presented clearly and well. Sure it is basics but fundamentals are never out of style.
I would also like to say with all due respect, thank you for your service in the defense of our nation. If it were not for our military we might not be enjoying this video with the freedom to watch it as we can.
Enter NRA Long Range Competitions. These facilitate learning about everything important to good shooting. Most overlooked by the novice is how to analyze shooter error. Here's the crux of it: Analysis is essentially attempting to determine the cause of misplaced shots. Different sizes and shapes of shot groups can occur because of a multitude of problems/errors, making it difficult to discern all the possible causes for misplaced shots in some instances; yet, since all shooter errors originate from position/act of firing inconsistency, and incorrect compensation for effects on trajectory, not hitting where aimed can be quickly resolved without troubleshooting by simply attending to what’s important to good shooting, (i.e. sight alignment and trigger control). Still, correctly analyzing the cause of shot misplacement can hasten error correction.
Without the aid of a coach to observe and question the shooter about how the shot looked, the shooter has two methods of analysis, call/strike corollary, and group assessment. Each of these methods can be expedited with a spotting scope.
Call/strike corollary which shows shots are on call and where desired indicates proper sight adjustment for distance/conditions and proper execution of the two firing tasks. Shots on call but not where desired indicates proper sight alignment, and sight adjustment but movement of the rifle, possibly from poor trigger control. Shots off call, the bullet striking someplace other than where it was thought to hit, may mean sights are misaligned, inconsistent sight picture, or sights not adjusted correctly to account for distance to target, slope, or wind and weather conditions.
Vertical group assessment shows good trigger control and poor elevation. Some of the possible causes of vertical grouping are:
1. Poor follow through
2. Changing sight picture
3. A very low position
4. Changing sight alignment
5. Failure to maintain proper eye sight alignment
6. Changing distance from eye to front sight
7. Varying rifle butt position in shoulder
8. Position of left elbow wrong (rifle fired from right shoulder)
9. Not enough head pressure
Horizontal group assessment shows good elevation and poor trigger control. Some of the possible causes of horizontal grouping are:
1. High right shoulder
2. High vertical position
3. Jerking the trigger
4. Varying head pressure
5. Movement of the right elbow
6. No stability of position
7. Change in sight picture
8. Failure to maintain proper sight alignment
Initially, an expert coach should be solicited to observe the shooter’s position. This is because a correct position will be at first unnatural; and therefore, the shooter will not understand when he’s built the position properly. The coach can correct visible errors; better assuring the shooter is developing muscle memory for a correct position from the start.
Solid!
I invested in season 2. Friends didn't. I got fooled by a game I truly had held out for, thinking it still has potential. It's never too late, but man. Definitely boycotting season 3. I have the points to get it without spending money, because I already did, but still considering just saving'em.
Yes sir
Then of course we can include the Coriolis effect on the longer shots as well as spin drift. Sniping is not only an art , it is a science and a philosophy as well it would seem.
another great video
What group or who were you hunting in Africa if you're allowed to divulge?
Just a training op.
In the competitive world, once the equipment is sorted out, elevation errors are on the shooter, windage errors are on the coach.
Normally, but you see how a poor shooter can just as easily miss left or right as he can high or low. Especially when shooting from non-standard less stable positions. Thanks for watching, TR
thanks for video
Ya great info and explanation
Great vid
Can i master my accuracy with quite precision ar15 or i should purchase tikka t3 in .308? I have access to 300 metres range (i know its not too much).
There are many extremely accurate AR rifles out there. Master what you have, before you spend more money on a new gun.
It would be interesting to see you do a video about fighting at night against a near-peer adversary, when you can't use normal illuminators and lasers. I understand that even Isis and the Taliban has been getting their hands on some NODs, so I wonder if this is becoming more of an issue. Obviously I'm not asking you to spill any specific TTP's, but just a general overview would be nice.
John, that's the issue... we do teach these TTPs in classes, but we don't want these tactics out there, open source. Here at Tactical Rifleman, we are all about share techniques, but NOT tactics. If you want tactics, you'll have to sign up for a class. Thanks for watching, TR.
Good stuff.
What causes the group to spread out horizontaly?
Wind. Shooter error. Possibly bad rifle. However, bad rifle would spread uniformly in all directions, not just horizontally.
Karl.. 1/2 MOA rifles are a great thing to be sure. How often are rifles used, real world / down range, that are much less accurate? 1moa or more...
My SR-25 MK-11 was a 1.25 MOA gun. I carried them from the initial invasion of Afghanistan through 2007. Yes, I know they are marketed as "sub MOA." I call a Apple an "Apple."
Marvin Brock look at the old 303 brits 4” @100yards same everything 2”@500yards. Some need the distance to get better accuracy. Bullet stabilization.
Did the guy on the ground fall asleep
C'mon dude I'm not giving up the meth. Quit trying to shoot down my sniper dreams.
Love the knowledge and information given. Thank you for your time. I enjoy watching the content you put out to us!
Thanks for watching.
4:24 you’re welcome
Yesterday I was a sub moa shooter at 25 yards. When I moved to 100 yards I became a 5 moa shooter...what happened 😳
Dude you have got to learn. When you say shot group stringing up and down now it's going to string all around. There isn't three things that make up accuracy. Just as much as velocity SD and so on CONDITION S are y-you don't grab the turret immediately. Mr. Military don't know it oh and then runs his mouth on the great deal that it does and I appreciate your videos.
Are meth addicts good at anything other then guessing the weight or copper?
They are cheaper than steel targets
Tactical Rifleman hahahahaha
They are really good at finding stuff in the carpet too ;-)
Chris Brown Lol that's funny as hell bro
9 meth addicts disliked this video...btw this is the best channel i saw until now for sniping advises. keep them coming guys
From what I know and testing I’ve done you’ve left out variables that could cause accuracy problems. Say you have 2 308s both 20” weapons both have the a 1:10 twist. They may not shoot the same ammo as well as the other rifle. But in my experiences and training shooters that’s where most of the problems are.
While I agree that you can improve accuracy by matching ammo to a particular weapon; in the military, we are often restricted to using military issue ammo. So, more often than not, the errors are usually shooter induced. Thanks for chiming in and thanks for watching. Strength & Honor, TR
I was also military. When not all the rifles would shoot good they went back to get worked over. New barrel whatever it needed to shoot. But not all the people that watch your channel are military so I’m just saying you got to think of that to. M118LR won’t shoot out of all 308s just like MK262 won’t shoot in all 556s. Explaining more about bullet weight and twist rates to shoot the ammo can help out the guys that couldn’t join but are enthusiasts. Just trying to help you out giving you info that I thought you missed that could help your viewers. I only say all this stuff cause I build custom rifles now for a living and these are things that I’ve also ran into with lots of calibers. Just giving you perspective for all of you audience.
Jay, thanks for the comments... You're right, we should do a video on all of the factors that play into making a Precision Weapon System. Put some notes together... like a rough outline, and let me know if you can be ready to film later this Summer. You can do the video with me. Seriously, the point of putting together Tactical Rifleman was to bring together subject matter experts (SMEs) to talk about whatever passion they had (Shoot/Move/Communicate). I could do this, but I prefer to have others on film. Let me know if you are interested. We could help pimp your guns. Strength & Honor, TR.
What scope is on the PSR used in this video
Schmidt & Bender
Seriously good shit right here. Thanks again Karl.
BLD Lightpainting time didn't permit a more eloquent comment. I'll work on it😉
Your throwback pictures at the end are badass!
I have to work on my fundamentals, my shooting is not consistent.
If you’re a meth addict had me rolling lol
I’m sure Karl could give chuck Norris a run for his money.
Nah, Chuck is the man. Thanks for watching, TR
Karl, were you ever been in a Leatherman commercial?
Yes, Karl was in a Leatherman video once upon a time.
I thought so
Yep... I love my Leatherman. I carry a Surge on my War belt, with extra bits & saw blades, when teaching classes or in the field. I also carry a Wave everywhere else.
Any chance of getting some hats in your apparel range? Cheers guys
Working on Patches and hats... but that shit aint cheap unless you buy 1,000 each. Maybe soon. I want one too. Thanks for watching. TR>
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Far from boring.
Excellent lesson Karl. #JakeHunter88
500 hundred on paper to make sure you an the equipment are under 1 m.o.a. before going long. Good idea.
In addition, once I'm on at 500m, I like to jump straight back to the 900m berm to confirm/true my Ballistic Computer. That big of a jump will really show if your shit is "OFF." If more people did this, they wouldn't just be out "plinking" at the 1500m UKD Range.
I shoot consistently consistent 😉
Foist
dang it
I thought 500 was long range :( to me 300 is long range lol
it might be deez nutz! ha got em!