I've Never Used A Keyboard Like This Before
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- Опубліковано 9 чер 2024
- Howdy! Today I want to talk about one of the weirdest keyboards I've ever used and how it's changing my approach to...well...everything.
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You painted a very accurate history here. Actually, the Hammond organ is a keyboard that has expression features you can activate with the knee or tabs. Synthesizers, especially analog ones, are built to produce endless variations during playing, at least if you dedicate one hand to it. There is also aftertouch, which can provide some kind of live expression. So, live sound modulation has been a feature sought after for a long time by keyboard manufacturers. The Wave was a brilliant attempt, except it was not fully compatible with MIDI parameters, and consequently, the sound bank was very limited. By the way, the Osmose makes me dubitative because, despite the entertainment it brings to keyboard players, I'm not sure this synth may shine when surrounded by a whole arrangement. Some instruments, especially richly textured ones, tend to take up too much room and make mixing very challenging.
Congrats the guitar man !! Woot woot
You can totally set up a keyboard properly to be a pitch bendable lead instrument.
Pitch wheels suck.
You need a 4 axis stick. Not even gonna get into tweaking the aftertouch.
Really neat and innovative device you featured just the same.
Thanks for the cool video.🎶✌️
You have become the typical UA-camr now… endless mindless content for the masses.
I dig your casual demeanour in these videos. Too many cats are all hyped up, fake, salesy, etc.
With you it feels like a relaxing low key chat about stuff.
I think I'm not the only pianist who wiggles their fingers (inexplicably) when playing - it feels expressive like we're adding vibrato (even though we're not). Finally a keyboard that will actually translate those moves into musical expression!
Congrats! I've had my Osmose for about 6 months and I can confirm that even though it's amazingly intuitive, the learning curve is long. Every time I play it (or use it as a controller) I learn something new gesturally that requires repetition and practice in order to make it applicable in a real world scenario. In a few more years, I expect there will be a whole generation of MPE virtuosos and the tech will start to really show it's potential. It's a completely new era for us keyboard kids (I started learning and playing piano at about age 6.) BTW, I also just picked up a GS Music e7 desktop polysynth, which is MPE enabled and makes an incredible addition to the Eagan Matrix by adding raw analog power. The recent Noisy 2 and MPE banks for Phase Plant are also pretty amazing and much more doable for hands-on sound design.
How well does it work as a midi controller, if you try to approach it like a regular keyboard with non-MPE instruments? Do the wiggly keys feel awkward at first when played in that context? Just wondering if it'd be a good replacement for a main controller when I don't need extra expressivity.
@@AdamsOlympia It's... different, but it works fine for me in non-MPE modes. For example, with the e7 desktop, I tend to turn on MPE on both ends to play leads and certain rhythmic/arp stuff, but even in "normal" mode, when I'm comping or laying down pads and don't want the pitch bendy stuff, the extra throw on the channel aftertouch is much more expressive than a standard controller or synth. Like I said, it's a long learning curve and you need to take into account that it will take some time to adjust. If you're a strong player with good technique, it'll come together with practice.
Sadly, I have not had the opportunity to get my hands on one. I can certainly tell from watching others try to play it, shows it truly is a a whole new instrument.😁🎶🎹🎶Play On
Surge XT vst plugin is MPE and is free. There is even a full playlist someone made how to make MPE presets with it here on youtube . all free. I'm waiting for my jamstik guitar to come in the mail right now. it's MPE midi guitar.
@@AdamsOlympiaI think it sounds fine as a regular midi controller for non mpe synths. The classic keyboard mode is a blast. The key wiggle pitchbend works when hooked up to a vintage midi synth. It also allows the fine tuning of the pitchbend amount of key wiggle for the connected synth.
It's not true old synths were without expression before Moog. Actually some acient synthesisers were capable of expression in much better way than modwheel. Notable examples being Odens Martenot and Ondioline.
Also if you are into keyboard/guitar hybrids definitely check out Harpejji.
I can't remember the exact model but some russian synths from the 70s let you wiggle the keys around for vibrato. You've been able to do what's described in this vid on a Roli Seaboard for over 10 years, this is not new
Mod wheel wasn't the only game. Some setups use pedals or breath control too. I'm surprised they never got a mention though.
The editing and visual style are absolutely wonderful. Amazing job, bud.
It's wild to me that your version of "Not a major video" is still so much more interesting and well put together than anything I can do.
And I've also had the ipulse to vibrate the the keys on a piano hoping that one day it'll suddenly just articulate lol
The Yamaha GX-1, the "Dream Machine" had an upper keyboard that could do the vibrato thing by shaking your finger...using vertical and horizontal aftertouch. This was introduced back in 1973 and only a handful made it out of Japan, and usually by big names like Keith Emerson, Stevie Wonder, and John Paul Jones. It was more a test bed which lead directly to the CS-80. The GX-1 was also massive and not very portable. The CS-80 was like a laptop compared to the size of the GX-1.
Glad to hear you are busy.
That definitely looks like awesome kit.
Don't be afraid to make videos just about gear. I like gear and so do the rest of us.
Ya, but it's the road to perdition
Idk I like the videos where he goes completely off the rails because I can relate to that 😂 gear is cool tho.
Perhaps a bit tooo much at times.😜
@Obscurity202 I don't think anyone doesn't dislike those videos. I just don't think they should have to avoid making gear videos because of how certain people have reacted in the past or that it might feel like too easy of a video. I'm sure there's a lot of reasons why Cameron or Benn Jordan don't make them as much anymore. At the end of the day we all got into this because we love the gear and want to hear someone gush about gear too.
The road to purrditchin
is the realm where internet memes abound
of cats digging holes.
Good man, giving us the distraction, but also the reminder to get back to work. Thanks man.
Hell Yeah, I just bought on of these last month and it'll be here in early July. When I demo'd it at the store it blew mind how natrually all the music was being written on the spot and how inspiring all the presets were. Looovveeee hearing you play with this and can't wait to hear what you release with it!
I'm waiting for a young keyboardist to get so good at this thing that it changes everything
What about an old person who is so bad at it, that it changes everything? If expressive e wants to send me one, I would give it one hell of a try!
why wait when u can try urself
@@AlchemicalAudiolmao
Great video as usual! But can we talk about the filmic look? Holy cow, I feel like I'm watching a movie at my local theater! Crushed blacks, lots of grain, dust and dirt - love it!
This is such a good video. Seriously, from beginning to end. Great storytelling without being UA-cam-y. Thank you
I wish all UA-cam videos would sign off like that.
Was thinking the same thing. I hope this becomes a regular outro!
Roli : Am I a joke to you
Yes
Playing Osmose is a totally unique vibe. I used mine on my recent album and was blown away by how it felt to play it. I've never really been a guitarist (though I have played double bass a long time ago), so really this was more of a voyage of discovery for me than a return home. Anyway, the subtlety of the experience is wonderful.
Incidentally, I'd argue that while it's true that you can't bend notes on a piano, you... kinda can. You can "imply" different amounts of bending by the time you spend on the "grace note". It's a subtle skill but worth learning.
This is pretty cool. Thanks for working with it and sharing your thoughts -- as always.
love my Roli Seaboard
Thank you, I needed to see this!
Eyyy my fav channel atm Venus, looking forward to it!
Ooh yeah. That’s it. The “articulation” defo what I imagined
For me, the Osmose has taken over as my main controller keyboard (the one in front of the monitor anyway). It isn't the best for a lot of things (like a straight up piano), but it is good enough and then it excels at the type of MPE control I want. It is kind of a great sweet spot. My only issue in production is that it generates a lot of extra MIDI information (even in classic or poly aftertouch keyboard modes) like pitch bend, the expression pedal (even after repeated calibrations) is noisy (could be my pedal, but I don't get that plugging it into other keyboards), and the sustain pedal is doesn't send discrete 0 and 127 events, but the full continuum. This can be cool sometimes for plugins that actually can use that (I think pianoteq can possibly?) but usually when editing events after the fact, it is a pain. Most of these MIDI I deal with MIDI post-processing.
The main problem with stuff like this is that a person literally needs to be an octopus and a millionaire to enjoy playing music on it for real. To elaborate, I am sure this thing is great on its own two feet, but to make the most of this, it would need to be paired up with something like a Montage or a Fantom, and while that could technically be done, its not very practical overall. Now if this had a robust set of synth controls built in along with premium electronics, it would be a lot cooler but it would also cost as much as a sports car. So there is my humble opinion. It could be fun, but its basic as well as cutting edge, so somewhat limited and risky. Expression is extremely important, and I do hope this catches on because its innovative and creative.
I don't have an Osmose, but I have several mpe controllers -- Linnstrument, Erae Touch, Striso -- and they are absolute game changers. The Linnstrument is my main controller. It's so nice to have the responsiveness.
What a coincidence, I just watched somebody used this exact instrument in a music (musics actually, he made several arrangements). This keyboard really pushes the performance ceiling even higher. The music that used this sounds much more natural and more 'real'
Already have a Roli Seabord...i absolute adorei it for flutes/solo violins etc...But the minute i saw this i went crazy for it!
Hey man, always a joy to watch your cinematic essays on music production. This keyboard has been on my radar too, and it's not a question IF but WHEN I'm going to buy it. So much potential, but not easy to master... Still, not having to draw automation or record different tracks to achieve selective modulation/ pitch FX etc. will be worth it.
Cool video, but a small remark here: piano is actually not that old, clavichord had it's place until ~17s century (which had a huge impact since those guys didn't have the same response to expression and didn't have long sustain and the invention of piano actually has affected music writing).
He said the piano is hundreds of years old and it is. It is now the 21st century so by definition the 17th century is hundreds of years ago.
@FireAngelOfLondon actually, he said hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds, definitely needed a correction.
@@originaljunglist93 Thanks, exactly this 🙏
thank you! ... I've been looking at this thing pretty hard...
ARP made a pro-soloist keyboard in the late 70s that had pressure and side-to-side expression on each key.
I remember having the thin plastic record that came in keyboard magazine with Herbie Hancock demonstrating it.
First of all: Your videos, good Sir, are just soo damn well made it‘s crazy. They themselves deserve to be regarded as art!
Second: I‘ve already had the pleasure of using the osmose myself and also tried implementing it into my works (results on my channel if anybody‘s interested :) ) and I‘m really hyped to see how it will evolve in the future!
Anyways, thank you Mr Venus Theory for yet another amazing video!!
i think this is my favorite video because of your final comments, really made it 🤌 perfect
I think it’s funny you say “recovering guitarist” because a lot of us that got deep into synthesizers have been falling off the wagon lately. I just bought my first new guitar in 15 years.
You should try a shakuhachi. I bet, you would have fun with it after a while. I'm learning it. So many microexpressions, which changes the sound so drastically.
I really struggled with the embouchre on the Shakuhachi, I really love the sound of it as an instrument, but it definately is not like other flutes.
This was not only a fun video but really nicely done! Definitely worth doing. ❤
ondes martenot, one of the first electronic keyboards (1921) has keys which affect the tone when you wobble them.
My first synth, an ensoniq ESQ-1 (1986) had a feature where the pitch bend would only affect keys held down, but not those "held" by the footswitch
Ooh. This looks neat. This would be a lot of fun with sound design.
What a lovely piece. Also, you have always done great videos, so ones like these are super fun too!
Dude! Good to see you again! I have been seriously jonesing for an Osmose and hope to be able to pick one up ere long!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this amazing keyboard.
8:39 when the riff is so fancy you gotta go pinky out
The osmose paved the way for the Arturia Polybrute 12. The true MPE king!
Well done. Keep us posted on that score for the game. I'm interested in hearing it and playing the game.
I recently saw Robert Rich play the Haken Continuum and it was absolutely mesmerizing. The Osmose has captured my attention and interest, as well, and it was very cool to see you use it. Thanks for sharing.
played one at my friend's studio. seems rad, very expressive.
That's intense!! I love the look of this. I think I'll wait until the 66 key version and then it will be all I want!
"As a recovering guitar player..." 😂 Beautiful turn of phrase. Love your humour Cameron.
The bending-thing that you are talking about is the missing point in my synth journey of the last years. Like you I started to play guitar. In my case 20 years ago. And when I learned about the mod wheel it Was a cool experience but not that bending that my muscle memory wants my fingers to do. I am really happy that someone designed this new synth. I hope that this design will be used in the synth of the future.
Thankx for great vid...( sometimes i edit samples while watching UA-cam)... !
NewFangled generate ! never heard of that one ! It sounds SO GOOD !!
Pair the Osmose with the Polybrute 12 (supports mpe in/out), trust me on that one 😊
Wow, that thing is awesome.
Good to see Vince Gilligan taking up new hobbies. Bravo Vince
Hmm none of the sounds really inspired me tbh but I'm interested to know more about the haptics of this board. Intrerseting stuff!
Hey! Great video. I'm curious to know your opinion on one thing though: do you think it would be even better with more octaves, or the size is enough for your use case?
Hey Cam, hi from the UK! Interesting to see a take on the Osmose that is not so glowing and gushing! Also coming from a guitar background I was close to buying an Osmose when it came out but am currently more interested (when circumstances permit) in trying to use a Boss GM800 and associated pickups to control VST’s such as Equator and Pigments. Using a dual cable method to mix the output with more-standard guitar sounds from my Valeton processor should be pretty mind blowing. Wonder whether you’d thought of trying the GM800 with Pigments? Would be interested to hear your take on it! Best. John
Love my KMI K-Board 4 Pro... so much so that I bought two of them for a greater range and for playing two instruments. They can often be found on sale. Doesn't have the cool synth engine, but extremely cool for playing SWAM instruments and the slide in the Y direction is very cool.
Only gripe I have with the K Boards is that they are 48 keys instead of the 49 which would have provided 4 complete octaves from C to C instead of the last one cutting off at B. Picky picky.😅 And yeah, Generate is way cool and MPE! A super synth to play with a wind controller.
Oh hell yeah. If anyone should be messing with Osmose, it's you. I had the pleasure of working with the Expressive E guys on launch of this thing and getting to mess with it the first time was... mindblowing to say the least.
From my observation, skilled piano players are at the largest disadvantage learning to play the Osmose because they are used to a more heavy handed approach to deal with those keys. It's more in the category of nuance of a stringed instrument, and a little "feel" goes a very long way.
Just got my Osmose back from it being left behind after I moved, had no room to take it. Love this thing, nothing else is really like it right now. Currently my only controller, & I feel it is the only one I really need. ☺️
glides are the most impressive for me, the fact that it recognizes separate voices is really unique
I also started with guitar and bass; I also have a KMI K-Board Pro 4 for MPE, but the Osmose format is much more familiar. I'm anticipating many more future keyboards, especially synths and workstations, to start adding MPE capable keyboards.
My Osmose is my go-to lead synth; paired with my Roland Fantom EX (unless I need a keytar), I have nearly everything I need; for everything else, I have my Hammond SkX
Cheers!
Thanks for the argument!
Was that Ground Branch?!
I absolutely LOVE that game and the work of that team.
Oh, and cool synth too! Gonna have to get my hands on one of those!
I like the beard coming in bro. Great video too, osmose looks awesome
I've been so interested in this keyboard since it came out it's the only piece of hardware I've seen that I feel like would actually make a significant difference to me
Oh yeah! Short video, but great content ...
A few weeks ago, I was like: I need an MPE controller. A Joué Play or ROLI Seaboard or something else.
But I came across the GeoShred controller app (MacOS) or MuseLead (Android) and MIDI PolyGrid (both OS) and it works ok for me. I just needed a new toy.
This Osmose is another concept. Away from the touch technology to - I don't know - piezos in the back of the keys. Therefore there may need this long extensions of the keys ...
I saw some videos on the webpage. Great stuff!
Thanks for sharing!
Amazing - can you say what synths and/or patches you were playing to get those sounds?
I love the video dude
the vaultboy in the background keeps getting me
the osmose is one of my fav things. still learning hard to play it. not using the sounds of itself much, but its truly awesome as an mpe controller. used it quite a lot recently for my videos and slowly getting better at this :)
Used to use 90s Workstations from KORG back then, and i always though the keyboards would evolve more then they have. Feels like mono (or few) voices synth came back to hard and de m-evolved what we had (yes im saying some old 90's synt could do some amazing stuff) now most today use only a few octaves on there AKAI keyboards/Controllers, that have very low quality and may even miss the fundamentals.
Great video, and interesting instrument /controller. If what your saying is true, that it have expressive touch we may finally see a new master keybaoard.
That sound you played at the end sounded amazing. My tip would be to play around with Rhodes plugins on that thing since the harmonies i have found uniqe in them, like string like properties. 2 keys beside one can even sound cool done right. Rhodes sound is my favorite so i might be partial 😂
Any ways, end of morning rambelings.
Wow wow this looks amazing to have 😮
Don't forget earlier synthesizers with pitch bend. Hey, you know how you can wiggle the keys from side to side on the Osmose to get that vibrato effect? You could also do it with the Ondioline, perhaps as far back as the '40s.
The Osmose is incredible! We love ours! ❤
Great expressive keyboard 🎹 with that being said, adjusting parameters using polyphonic after touch make all sorts of these nuances available
How exciting to be pioneer in virtuosity for a new instrument
By the way, clavichords, which have been around since the 15th century, can bend pitch and do vibrato on individual notes. Their keys are simple levers, and if you press them, the part in contact with the string will put pressure on the string and change the pitch.
That would be awesome playing the new spitfire strings sample pack for nord 4.
🤤 I've been drooling over the Osmose since it hit the market. Now that it is available again, I will hopefully be able to grab one, before it is too late. Glad you got one. The moment I heard it, I knew it would be a good fit for you. I want to hear what it sounds like in Hip-Hop
Osmose and Exquis are my MPE duo. Different input methods, great expression capabilities. It mostly depends on the instrument and how I want to play that instrument. Osmose is great for the pads and chords, while Exquis is fun for melodies. The latter also has an ingenious layout for entering chords, but the flat angle on a table is not great for me to play it. I need to invest in a good stand, so I can position it at an angle to have a relaxed hand position. I just need space for it, which I don't have at the moment.
For the producers that want to get the most out of their current midi keyboards, I feel like a lot of factory presets could benefit from a bit of velocity and or key mapping additions to the parameters making any preset so much more expressive to play
A great video, I want to know if in 6 months it is still your go to!
The mask1 also has a mixed playing style option. No poly at or note wiggle, but it's pretty nice and has that cool note mixed glide sound you described !!
I tried an osmose out though, not long ago, and I only wish it had more hands on hardware eaganmatrix parameter access on the front panel. I don't mind software options but have a difficult time with only a couple knobs to access for a sound engine.
That said I love the way the Haken engine sounds and love how it plays. Though I'm not honestly used to the key wiggle just yet. I'm worried I might break it off i wiggle too much. But it looks well built.
Interesting. And great video, as always !
As a controller, is it that different from a seaboard ?
A unique specialty instrument.
I noticed from videos about the seaboard that a slow vibrato on a sax was not impressive: like a three step system where you'd want 127 steps in the sideway key movement tracking, but even 10 steps would be great.
Can you give me any indication of how well the Osmosis translates a natural, subtle and slow vibrato on a sax sound?
If it does, I'd go for it in a heartbeat.
What was I thinking when I bought an EWI when I have little skills on regular keys to begin with.. Oh yeah I know: I love sax so much.
I'm usually more into vintage stuff but this one has overlap: it seems exciting to compose pieces based on its best behaviours and characteristics: that's what attracted me since I did the sideway vibration thing forever anyway.
Ooh that sweet Mellotron sax...
Hats off for your presentation style btw: wonderfully relaxed with little fun personal sidenotes yet informative to the max.
I'm ok with one Dr. Mix.
Thank you good sir, thank you
The modern piano with all the octaves, the expressiveness and all that makes it so wonderfull is not that old, it appeared somewhere around 1860. Before that, it had less octaves (the first ones only had four octaves) was less powerful and was designed around 1710, and was demonstrated around 1730 to dear JS Bach (who apparently hated the sound of the instrument, the high notes being too soft).
These look amazing, still waiting for someone to really get this right, and I *think* this may be it. Thanx for your review.. its a funny thing, the limitation of key based instruments vs strings, or somehting like brass, dont get me started! Show me an amazing 'sampled brass' and Ill eat my korg. Its a bit like how we describe dimensions in the physical realm.. these instruments have a whole nother 'd' or expression to play with - with some, that additional d offers damn near all of the feel. Seems a bit unfair, but super exciting to see this getting better and i cant wait to try this badboy
As to bends, the littlest brother of the DX7, the DX100, made it possible to apply the pitch wheel to one note at a time in chords. It’s been 30 years, so I don’t remember exactly how it worked. I just remember that I was able to conjure up a steel guitar patch and play it in ways that had people in low places hootin and hollerin. The DX7 did not have the option, and I don’t know whether anything else in the DX line had it. I kinda wish I never sold my DX100.
possibly similar to ESQ-1 - pitch bend did not affect notes held via the footswitch (unless you wanted it to)
When he played in the Mahavishnu Orchestra, Jan Hammer used to bend notes on his MiniMoog as expressively as any guitar player.
Have you ever experimented with MIDI pickups on a guitar?
I am no keyboard whizz, but the Fishman Tripleplay is freakishly accurate once dialled in.
Very pleased for you I think you could in time do this keyboard justice the shame is there will be many keyboard players who may not have the abilities to put this keyboard through its paces you mentioned a racing car and in the exact same context there are only an elite who can actually make the car virtually almost fly round the track these guys have a unique almost insane skill set.
I worked in recording rehearsal studios for over ten years and in that time not one keyboard player would in my opinion be able to play that instrument simply because there are many different ways to play keys and the Osmose requires the same very unique type of player not only a synth player not really a pianist but a soloist.
In the right hands it could be amazing unfortunately it’s a rare breed and not many could afford the machine
There is also one very important note whenever talking about keyboards, the main difference that removes the expression in comparison to say a guitar is the indirect element of striking a wooden or plastic key that then through various mechanical processing hits the string. On the other hand with a guitar you are completely in total contact with the string this is why string to skin instruments always bring a totally natural feel and expression to playing, this keyboard unfortunately could not get to that level but hats off it improves on the experience if and only if you have the abilities and something in your soul to give the world as a player.
As for me it’s way out of my pay grade but as a possible substitute I could buy a cheaper controller keyboard for a fraction of the price plug in a couple of expression pedals pour lighter fuel all over it and see how well it burns.
Why don't you talk more about the ROLI Rise?
I would like to know what the difference with the Expressive E. I have already played on a Rise, and for me, it is the pinnacle of what can be done, thanks to its unique texture. But if we overlay real piano notes, doesn't it somewhat break its playability and interest ?
What do you think ?
And if you've never played on a Rise, you really should try it.
Exactly. I feel like this thing is the LUMI equivalent, which has per note bending, but lacking the 48-note slide (bend) of the Seaboard.
i've wanted one so bad since i saw the first introduction videos, about a year(?) before it was eventually released. for a while, i wondered if it was REALLY going to happen.. i love playing percussion and acoustic guitar, so synthesizers/samplers have been inherently dissatisfying to play-- very cool sounds, but.....
It is not true that the first synthesizers "just made noise" without expression! Please check about the Mixtur Trautonium ! A wonderfully expressive german instrument from the 30s :) (and obviously the Ondes Martenot)
So, I'm only 2 min into this, and I think I can see where it is going, which is cool and good and progress...however, I understand what you mean, and as a former human who played with musics, I started with piano at 5, but really wanted guitar, so got one when I was 7...the relationship with, as you said, stringed instruments is much more delicate and nuanced, as it captures and allows you to emote, all the analog microtonalities and movements...it made a lot more sense when someone explained to me that a piano is actually a percussion instrument (because the noise is created by a hammer striking a string) therefore much more limited in its expression...synths are i think maybe something closer to the range of personal expression, but imo still kind of bound by more digital type parameters...
Having said all that though, love all forms of musical expression and don't buy into too much malarkey lol...
Thx for the vid!!!
I played one in a store it was fantastic