I love how salty Garak is after he finds out about Bashir's enhancement. He could never say it aloud, but he's clearly affronted that Bashir was able to keep such a big secret from him. XD
It could be he figured it out and felt special, and is more mad that the secret got out so sloppily. Partly from his life as a spy, partly for no longer having that dirt on Bashir, and partly because he likely had this great setup to reveal he knows, all ruined. Garak loved that Cardassian book that talked about trials that explain the guilt of criminals perfectly, he probably had some Danganronpa style full explanation thing ready to spring, and then in stumbles a couple old farts to poop al over it.
I think it's kinda funny in a way. Bashir acted all altruistic and principled, while all along being more like Garak than he would let on. Perhaps Garak had discovered that secret and *that* is what initially drew him to the doctor. Though, I suspect Garak would really be more upset about not realizing when Bashir had been replaced by a Changeling for however long it'd been since they last used the older uniforms.
I don't think he's flirting- I think he's pissed. I don't think he likes " the new Bashir ". Sorry, Garak, but being a friend/boyfriend of a real life agent " ages " you. Deal with it, cry baby.
It's difficult to remain flippant and boyish when you're surrounded by death and destruction. As a doctor, he's always there for the aftermath, the most horrific part of many battles. That's enough to age anyone.
Considering that Cardassians flirt by being argumentative, Garak is coming on to Bashir really strongly here. Its positively indecent. I know hes cute, but geez....Control yourself Garak!
Actually it kind of does. Kira constantly reminds Dukat she hates him, which Dukat being a Cardassian probably finds attractive. He also would know better than to respond in kind with, since Kira is not a cardassian.
One thing I've just noticed about this scene - this looks like its happening in one of the Defiant's corridors. Good detail to set the scene that the ship is on a war footing, with cabinets and trolleys in the corridors because there's no extra space for it all perhaps haha - makes the ship look messy after continual combat operations. Which is exactly what you'd expect I suppose.
And I'm a lesbian and I also think Bashir is attractive. Especially with his uniform open like that, and his coyness and cute smile in the end of this scene.
RNG in a nutshell. Playing FGO, many times I got my characters with a 80% chance of criting *and they don't crit.* >:x So yeah, Bashir was on to something there.
I work as a statistician. I genuinely am curious as to how he supposedly calculated the probabilistic results of a sector wide, months (years?) long war.
Drama always likes to pretend that something like this is actually calculable, when it clearly isn’t or they’d be trillionaire stock traders right now. The future is fundamentally unknowable, black swan events, etc. Even with perfect knowledge of the sector, the error bars are larger than the signal.
@@thegreenmanofnorwich the scene takes place way after Robinson was told to tone it down. Way after Garak had forced half-cardassian women for love interest. You can't use "actor played character gay" argument post Season 2.
By far one of the best scenes in the entire franchise. The way it so perfectly sums up the complex relationship of these characters is flawless. A masterclass in Character Writing.
Garak is pissed off to know there is someone smarter than him on the ship. That's just not right!!! "Plain, simple Garak" is merely camouflage for his genius! Now this young whippersnapper has the nerve to be brilliant?! Oh, the gall of this Starfleet whelp! 😂🤣
I know, right? Also, I don't know where you're from, but if you've recently driven in Georgia/Florida, then you would have phrased your comment "Can they like kiss already? ...Jesus" Just putting that there for anyone who might get it.
@@richa16x There's a stretch of road in the US South where someone is paid to have tacky religious billboards put up. They're meant to be messages from "Jesus." But they're written, for example, like: "I'm still in control ...Jesus" instead of: "I'm still in control -Jesus." A dash would mean "from" or "by" or something. But they use an ellipses, which means the billboards read like your original comment with "Jesus" just tacked on at the end.
A klingon kiss is a fist to the jaw. im concerned a cardassian one is a knife in the back. Not hitting anything vital, but close enough to tickle them.
dang it! I read a lot fanfic about Garak/Bashir lately and now I'm sad, that nothing more than friendship ever happend between them in the actual series. * sigh *
@@wanderkind0 Thats an understatement. upon seeing him for the first time during the scene. His first thought was: Hes te most beautiful man I have ever seen His second thought was: I want to fuck that guy
When this first aired I was obsessed with this scene to no extent as the idea of Bashir being able to calculate the chances of survival being at such a low level was amazing to me. So about 6 months after it I sat down with a calculator and a pencil and paper and worked out the exact formula that would work to hit a 32.7% chance of survival using only the information known in this episode. It was actually something like 32.7335325% of a chance but rounding down to that was fair.
@@narutoluvr9977 no, I know it sounds like it but I have had about 3 of these moments in my life where I fixated on 1 small minor detail in a book/movie/TV show where I needed to work it out. It's not so much autism but a small grain of sand in your shoe that is just annoying you when you think of it. Either that's extremely mild autism or the more likely possibility it was just a person wondering if it's possible to do that, then working it out
@@UA-camhandlesaresilly Well, even if he was, I thought it through quickly and thought, though there would be assumptions involved, we can take real world physics plus examples of rules laid down by the show plus some reasonable assumptions to get something, surely? I don't have time, but now I want to rewatch the whole show, and then see what I could work out, myself. That's why it sounded so reasonable, I could do it myself, so why not someone else? XP played myself, perhaps.
I love how salty Garak is after he finds out about Bashir's enhancement. He could never say it aloud, but he's clearly affronted that Bashir was able to keep such a big secret from him. XD
It could be he figured it out and felt special, and is more mad that the secret got out so sloppily. Partly from his life as a spy, partly for no longer having that dirt on Bashir, and partly because he likely had this great setup to reveal he knows, all ruined. Garak loved that Cardassian book that talked about trials that explain the guilt of criminals perfectly, he probably had some Danganronpa style full explanation thing ready to spring, and then in stumbles a couple old farts to poop al over it.
Garak wants to feel special. LOL
pumpkinofdoom is this the first episode where Garak knows? Or is there one before this where he references Bashir’s augmentations?
I think it's kinda funny in a way. Bashir acted all altruistic and principled, while all along being more like Garak than he would let on.
Perhaps Garak had discovered that secret and *that* is what initially drew him to the doctor.
Though, I suspect Garak would really be more upset about not realizing when Bashir had been replaced by a Changeling for however long it'd been since they last used the older uniforms.
Garak deep down admires this deception.
Like an old married couple
Arguing is a form of courtship with Cardassians ;)
It's funny how you take into account that cardassians flirt by arguing
I don't think he's flirting- I think he's pissed. I don't think he likes " the new Bashir ". Sorry, Garak, but being a friend/boyfriend of a real life agent " ages " you. Deal with it, cry baby.
stop trying to ruin garak with your gay j wish worldview
I have a simple requirement: I see Garak, I click.
Same, but for me it also applies to Quark and Odo
Yup Odo, Kira, or Quark
It's difficult to remain flippant and boyish when you're surrounded by death and destruction. As a doctor, he's always there for the aftermath, the most horrific part of many battles. That's enough to age anyone.
And that's why Garak is frustrated. He never saw war from such perspective before.
Plus being a friend/boyfriend of a real life spy.
It's so confusing how irl I'm only attracted to women, but that outfit on Bashir... (him in general...)
He's a special flavour of Bisexual.
I think it's also those big doe like eyes.
I’m sorry but these two act so fucking married and it’s really fucking hilarious XD
They really should have pushed the implied gay angle for both of them. Or Bi in Bashir's case.
@@mmjahink I agree!!
Considering that Cardassians flirt by being argumentative, Garak is coming on to Bashir really strongly here. Its positively indecent.
I know hes cute, but geez....Control yourself Garak!
That doesn't explain Dukat and Kira.
Actually it kind of does. Kira constantly reminds Dukat she hates him, which Dukat being a Cardassian probably finds attractive. He also would know better than to respond in kind with, since Kira is not a cardassian.
@@DragblackerI raise you one: that scene between Dukat and Garak during the Klingon attack.
Julian’s outfit is so hot here wtf
One thing I've just noticed about this scene - this looks like its happening in one of the Defiant's corridors. Good detail to set the scene that the ship is on a war footing, with cabinets and trolleys in the corridors because there's no extra space for it all perhaps haha - makes the ship look messy after continual combat operations. Which is exactly what you'd expect I suppose.
"Not so boyish anymore, Doctor."
Said like an insult, but it could easily be interpreted as "You've grown into a man."
I'm surprised Garak isn't more impressed by how much having a genetically enhanced brain could help in espionage.
He's just angry that Bashir was able to keep it secret. Or that he couldn't figure it out before the thing became public knowledge.
i love how they made bashir’s outfit way sluttier later in the show.
Please tell me I'm not the only one who thinks Bashir looks extra sexy wearing his uniform like that
Yeah, he is kind of sexy with his uniform like that.
You are. He might as well just take the jacket off and wear short sleeves like McCoy sometimes did if it's hindering his work so.
And I'm a lesbian and I also think Bashir is attractive. Especially with his uniform open like that, and his coyness and cute smile in the end of this scene.
He could wear a black garbage bag and still look sexy!
Thing is...low probability is not a guarantee of failure...just as high probability isn't a guarantee of success.
RNG in a nutshell. Playing FGO, many times I got my characters with a 80% chance of criting *and they don't crit.* >:x
So yeah, Bashir was on to something there.
Roll a nat 20 and watch the wormhole aliens put their prophetic foot up the founders' wet backsides.
I work as a statistician.
I genuinely am curious as to how he supposedly calculated the probabilistic results of a sector wide, months (years?) long war.
I had a friend tell me the further in the future u go the less accurate your going to be
Drama always likes to pretend that something like this is actually calculable, when it clearly isn’t or they’d be trillionaire stock traders right now. The future is fundamentally unknowable, black swan events, etc.
Even with perfect knowledge of the sector, the error bars are larger than the signal.
I'm so glad they reverted his character back to normal after this episode. i'd hate having him be an asshole the rest of the trilogy.
Dear Garak...re the low percentage Bashir quoted....look up the English at Agincourt or Taffy 3 at the Battle off Samar.
He really gets up in that personal space, doesn't he
im sorry but...how do you interrupt that as anything other than flirting?
They're adorable together.
I think you mean "interpret".
Umm ... Because it's *not* flirting? It's two friends bickering. Good grief! You'd probably think they were flirting if they were discussing mold.
@@Chocobear555 Andrew Robinson specifically acted their scenes together as Garak being sexually interested in Bashir.
@@thegreenmanofnorwich the scene takes place way after Robinson was told to tone it down. Way after Garak had forced half-cardassian women for love interest. You can't use "actor played character gay" argument post Season 2.
not to mention his stint in that Dominion POW camp.
By far one of the best scenes in the entire franchise. The way it so perfectly sums up the complex relationship of these characters is flawless. A masterclass in Character Writing.
Garak is pissed off to know there is someone smarter than him on the ship. That's just not right!!! "Plain, simple Garak" is merely camouflage for his genius! Now this young whippersnapper has the nerve to be brilliant?! Oh, the gall of this Starfleet whelp! 😂🤣
I think it was more that his verbal sparring partner had been "cheating."
It’s uncanny how much Alexander Siddig and James Callis both look alike and come across so similarly (and are now both in Star Trek!)
"If i was a vulcan, then why are you pissing me off?"
Can they like kiss already? jesus...
I know, right? Also, I don't know where you're from, but if you've recently driven in Georgia/Florida, then you would have phrased your comment "Can they like kiss already? ...Jesus" Just putting that there for anyone who might get it.
@@RoseETempest
hahaha I'm from the Netherlands :P
@@richa16x then just take a moment to feel my jealousy. It's stronger than Garashir subtext.
@@RoseETempest
wait what I don't get it? :o
@@richa16x There's a stretch of road in the US South where someone is paid to have tacky religious billboards put up. They're meant to be messages from "Jesus." But they're written, for example, like: "I'm still in control ...Jesus" instead of: "I'm still in control -Jesus." A dash would mean "from" or "by" or something. But they use an ellipses, which means the billboards read like your original comment with "Jesus" just tacked on at the end.
All that banter. Just kiss him already! >:/
A klingon kiss is a fist to the jaw. im concerned a cardassian one is a knife in the back. Not hitting anything vital, but close enough to tickle them.
This is changeling Bashir right???
Nope. Changeling Bashir did his best to get along with everyone. And that happened before the secret was out. This is just Julian.
dang it! I read a lot fanfic about Garak/Bashir lately and now I'm sad, that nothing more than friendship ever happend between them in the actual series. * sigh *
If it makes you feel any better, Andrew Robinson has straight-up said that he played Garak as attracted to Bashir from the get-go.
@@wanderkind0
Thats an understatement.
upon seeing him for the first time during the scene.
His first thought was: Hes te most beautiful man I have ever seen
His second thought was: I want to fuck that guy
mmm you're not
When this first aired I was obsessed with this scene to no extent as the idea of Bashir being able to calculate the chances of survival being at such a low level was amazing to me.
So about 6 months after it I sat down with a calculator and a pencil and paper and worked out the exact formula that would work to hit a 32.7% chance of survival using only the information known in this episode. It was actually something like 32.7335325% of a chance but rounding down to that was fair.
i say this with utmost respect and as an autistic person myself: have you ever been evaluated for autism
@@narutoluvr9977 no, I know it sounds like it but I have had about 3 of these moments in my life where I fixated on 1 small minor detail in a book/movie/TV show where I needed to work it out.
It's not so much autism but a small grain of sand in your shoe that is just annoying you when you think of it.
Either that's extremely mild autism or the more likely possibility it was just a person wondering if it's possible to do that, then working it out
So the writers didn't make it up? It actually follows the show's own shown info and logic?
That's awesome.
@@chillinchumhe’s just pulling your chain.
@@UA-camhandlesaresilly Well, even if he was, I thought it through quickly and thought, though there would be assumptions involved, we can take real world physics plus examples of rules laid down by the show plus some reasonable assumptions to get something, surely?
I don't have time, but now I want to rewatch the whole show, and then see what I could work out, myself.
That's why it sounded so reasonable, I could do it myself, so why not someone else? XP played myself, perhaps.