Excellent, Rabbi! A lot of things that need to be said and cleared up in this video. You present it in an accessible way that most people can understand and relate to.
*_ACTUALLY THE TRUE FOLLOWERS OF YESHUAH SAW HIM AS PROPHET NOT A DIVINE GOD, AND BASED IN TORAH TORAH MORAL MITZVAH IS FOR EVERYONE EVEN FOR GOYM NO JEWISH, GREEK NEW TESTAMENT IS EUROPEAN MADE EVEN NAZARINES DIDNT ANTHING TO DO WITH IT. IM A FORMER CHRISTIAN FOR OVER 35 YEARS AND CHRISTIAN MINISTER, BUT THE ANCESTOS WHO END THE LIFE OF THE JESUS WAS TERMINATED BY THE ANCESTORS OF CHRISTIANITYTHE EUROPEAN, AN THE BEST PROOF IS GREEK NEW TESTAMENT, ONE MORE TIME GREEK NEW TESTAMENT, NOT HEBEW TESTAMENT, THE HEBREW LANGUAGE WAS BOTH THE NATIONAL AND RELIGIOUS LANGUAGE OF FIRST CENTURY ISRAEL NOT GREEK, THE GREEK LANGUAGE WAS HATED IN THAT TIME, AND THE COMMON LANGUAGE NOT RELIGIOUS LANGUAGE WAS ARAMAIC, JEUS/YESHUAH I NIT THE THE TRUE PROPHET YESHUAH, BUT GECORROMAN GOD JESUS,HA SATAN INVENTION, EVIL INCARNATED._*
@@NaseerAhmed-sc5bl Exactly, the Nazarenes were upon the truth before Islam. Nazarenes: Jesus was not divine but the Messiah Muslims: Jesus was not divine but the Messiah Nazarenes: Jesus was only for the Israelites, not gentiles Muslims: Jesus was only for the Israelites, not gentiles. Nazarenes: Jesus's crucifixion was just an appearance. Muslims: Jesus's crucifixion was just an appearence Nazarenes: Jesus did not abrogate the law, he came to fulfill it after it was corrupted. Muslims: Jesus did not abrogate the law, he came to fulfill it after it was corrupted. And who knows a Nazarene (Jesus) better than the Nazarenes?
Early Christianity was non trinity Christianity, one god and Jesus Christ is the Prophet of God, and they follow the Torah and the Gospel of the Nazarenes
@@gabrielleangelica1977 not really. The Quran is a hodgepodge of WAY MUCH MORE Xtian offshoots(Isa creating Rukh? Straight from the Infancy Gospel of Thomas. Isa crucifixion being fake? Partially stolen from Docetics, but the Docetics consider Jesus fully divine. Mortal Isa? Taken from Ebionites, however Ebionites teach that Jesus was born naturally, sired by Joseph. The Ebionites agree with the Adoptionists that Jesus was adopted by God but Ebionites maintain Jesus was not divine after the adoption) that the Abbasids crammed into a holy book. Muhammad was based on the Abbasidized version of many Jewish sages and Christian kings who used the Messianic title MHMD. Most Umayyads were Unitarians, with the king who commissioned the Dome of the Rock, Abd al-Malik, using the same Messianic title MHMD. What about location of Muhammad? Look at the Lakhmid king Ilyas ibn Qabisah al-Tayaye(also used the title MHMD and also served as a mediator for the Sassanids and the Byzantines). BUT he was based in Kufa(formerly Hira'a.) Islam is the motherload of syncretism but ignored contradictions(and with the Gnostic influence saying contradictions are good, it doesn't matter to them).
Hello Goodbye 😂 Jesus was the last of the Israelite prophets who came to for fill the law of the prophet the Jews track record following the prophets of god isn’t a good one there were many Israelite prophets which were send to them which they had murdered now he comes Jesus who criticised the Jewish elders for changing the law of Moses and leaving the commandments of god this let the Jewish elders to scorn Jesus they then decide to hatch plot to murder Jesus got saved by god the Ebionites was sect who were Christian but who followed the law of Moses they were circumcised they didn’t eat pork they believed Jesus was prophet and not a godhead the Jewish elders saw them as threat just like Jesus was first the Ebionites was not Jewish second they followed the law of Moses which the Jews were trying to wash there hands off and because the Ebionites followed Jesus this is what made Jewish elder to make the Ebionites in to heretics and they Jewish elders had them murdered the Jewish religion has always been about protecting the Jewish identity
Answers Ahmed * The Jewish faith is about praising the Eternal One blessed be the name. You apparently have an agenda. (I believe that Muslims secretly hate the Jews.)
@@NaseerAhmed-sc5bl * Misinformation is what you have been taught. Yes, there are prophecies that have came true. What about the Temple prophecies? What about the prophecies about the judgement of the nations listed in the Tanaach? (And even Ishmael was prophesied to become great nations).
Unbelievable! I am appalled because I took the Rabbi at his word and looked up 'see what the church fathers said about the Jews' and could hardly bear to read such a vile outpouring of hate and bile. Truly shook me, I would never have believed it if anyone else had said that but I trust the Rabbi and he was absolutely correct.
@@ardisilir They attacked the Jews as Christ killers, blinded by Satan and as people who had lost God's favor and resorted to sinful deeds. They very much attacked the Jews as peoples, not simply their teachings.
Just read what the gospels said about the Jews, with Luke being the worst. Starting in Lk 23:24: "24 The verdict of Pilate was that their demand should be granted. 25 So he released the man who had been imprisoned for rebellion and murder, for whom they asked, and he handed Jesus over to them to deal with as they wished." In the next several verses Luke has *the Jews* lead out Jesus and crucify him. It's only later that the Roman soldiers even show up! (verse 36) This is just pure insanity!!! Even more so once you learned that Roman execution crosses are three dimensional, and crucified by penetration, not just holding in place with nails, and contrast with what Leviticus has to say about the like. They were basically structurally male assemblies modelled after Priapus! Of course the Christians had to lie about that too.
How can it be unbelievable? If jesus was god. And the jews killed god. How could a christian forgive them, unless they followed the teaching of turning the other cheek. They are wrong. But its easy to see how they thought it their duty.
Great historical lecture. Rabbi Tovia is correct it was inconvenient for early church to have the Ebionites around so the church crushed them early as they could, as they did to the Arian church and many other subgroups deemed a thorn on the side of the patristic church's trinitarian orthodox doctrine. Ironically Bar Kochba persecuted the Ebionites as well, mainly cause they did not fight at his side against Rome or accept his messianic claims.
The Essenes were before the Ebionites, correct? I believe they existed before the time of Jesus and then until after the Fall of Jerusalem. thanks for the lecture, Rabbi. mind if I ask you a few questions some time?
The Essenes are listed in Epiphanius “Panarion”. They are among 80 sects he includes as committing heresies. The Ebionites are listed as well. He wrote this in the late 4th Century. You don’t include dead people in a list of active heretical Christian sects. The Ebionites are listed as well and in that section Ebionites hold that Paul was of a Greek mother and father, wanted to marry Popea, a daughter of Caiaphas, adopted Judaism, was circumcised and rejected by the girl. On reading it, I wondered if Caiaphas was created later as a villain and the whole Christ trial & execution was entirely a Roman deal. Maybe it was just Pilate & Paul who knew Mark gave him the story. Mark is supposedly a disciple of Peter but there is no mention of them together. Barnabas, his uncle, is linked to Peter and only vaguely.
ACTUALLY THE TRUE FOLLOWERS OF YESHUAH EBIONITES SAW HIM AS PROPHET NOT A DIVINE GOD, AND BASED IN TORAH TORAH MORAL MITZVAH IS FOR EVERYONE EVEN FOR GOYM NO JEWISH, GREEK NEW TESTAMENT IS EUROPEAN MADE EVEN NAZARINES DIDNT ANTHING TO DO WITH IT. IM A FORMER CHRISTIAN FOR OVER 35 YEARS AND CHRISTIAN MINISTER, BUT THE ANCESTOS WHO END THE LIFE OF THE JESUS WAS TERMINATED BY THE ANCESTORS OF CHRISTIANITYTHE EUROPEAN, AN THE BEST PROOF IS GREEK NEW TESTAMENT, ONE MORE TIME GREEK NEW TESTAMENT, NOT HEBEW TESTAMENT, THE HEBREW LANGUAGE WAS BOTH THE NATIONAL AND RELIGIOUS LANGUAGE OF FIRST CENTURY ISRAEL NOT GREEK, THE GREEK LANGUAGE WAS HATED IN THAT TIME, AND THE COMMON LANGUAGE NOT RELIGIOUS LANGUAGE WAS ARAMAIC, JEUS/YESHUAH I NIT THE THE TRUE PROPHET YESHUAH, BUT GECORROMAN GOD JESUS,HA SATAN INVENTION, EVIL INCARNATED.
It appears that Jesus was a Jew from the Middle East and he was an outstanding person and teacher of Jewish law. And little did he had to do anything about Christianity. I think Mr. Paul infused Jewish monotheism with Roman paganism to attract the pagans to his cult. It's my humble opinion, not to offend anyone but to encourage critical thinking.
He definitely had a lot to do with Christianity. Also what infusion did Paul put? All Paul advocated was that Gentiles do not have to keep the “works” of the Mosaic law. What we would call the “ceremonial” law today. Circumcision, Sabbaths, Sacrifices, Food observances etc. The “moral” law stood firm and was expanded on by Jesus and was preached by Paul. Non of this nonsense of “faith alone” saves, Paul never in his wildest dreams thought faith was merely mental affirmation of Jesus, faith was intertwined with works for him just not “works of the law”.
@@youngknowledgeseeker but the Paulinists added their own ceremonialism. Sacraments, the Rosary where you pray to Mary more times than to God(Hail Mary is recited more times than Glory Be)
This has been the best video content that I've seen of yours so far, in about 20 videos. I respect how much respect you have to historical accuracy, as well as your fair and balanced approach to answering these questions. It seems Christianity could benefit from regaining some of the Ebionite ideology.
I believe Jesus was a Jew and firmly rooted in the Jewish faith and culture. When asked by the disciples " who should lead when you have gone?" he told them go to my brother James, he will be your leader. There was no question of creating a new religion. The majority of Jesus's followers were all Jews and would go on to follow their religion. Their leader was a Jew who followed the laws of Judaism, there wasn't any need to change. It is likely that they held him to be a Messiah but at the same time fully human.
Shalom dear rabbi my brother, At present times there are some sects in Christianity who keep law still they believe in Jesus christ sacrifice. And they do not believe in trinity but in oness of God Yehwah Unitarian Christian YHWH Witness Missianic Christian
Tovia is right in 90%...Ebionites and Nazarenes (per the Panarion of Epiphanius) believed that Jesus was born of Mary and Joseph, and that he was the adopted Son of God at his Baptism, and that Jesus insisted on obedience to the Torah (oral Torah), and that he replaced the sacrificial system with water baptism for the remission of sin.
@@brenosantana1458 Thanks for the reply... Specifically....From the Clementine Literature... Homily Book 3: Chapter 47: The foreknowledge of Moses. To this Peter answered; “The Torah of God was given by Moses, without writing, to seventy wise men, to be handed down, so that the government might be carried on by succession. But after Moses was taken up, it was written down by someone, but not by Moses. For in the law itself, it is written; “And Moses died, and they buried him near the house of Phogor, and no one knows his sepulcher till this day.” But how could Moses write that Moses died? And after about 500 years or thereabouts after the time after Moses, it was found lying in the temple which was built, and after another 500 years, it was carried away, and being burnt in the time of Nebuchadnezzar it was destroyed, and thus being written after Moses, and often lost, even this shows the foreknowledge of Moses, because he, foreseeing its disappearance, did not write it, but those who wrote it, being convicted of ignorance through their not foreseeing its disappearance, were not prophets.” This is the very same reason that there are no books written by Jesus.
Define law ? - the law of Moses was corrupted from the original and Paul is false. Ebionite was a derogatory term for the true disciples who were neither Jews or Christians
@@malcolmdavid722 You asked: "Define law ?" My reply: Torah is more defined as "instruction" and not so much as Law. "Instruction" is a positive term and "Law" is more of a negative term. You said; " - the law of Moses was corrupted from the original and Paul is false." My reply: I agree with that statement. You said: "Ebionite was a derogatory term for the true disciples who were neither Jews or Christians". My reply: I will disagree with that somewhat. Ebionites were true Jews as being part of the Nazarene sect of Judaism (Nazarenes being one of the 7 sects of Judaism at the time of the Apostles). Epiphanius in the Panarion (as you may already know) goes into detail on both.
@@thenazareneperspective2734 Good points ! But re your last para: Some were indeed Yehudim, but clearly not all, as some may have been either from other dispersed lost tribes (thus not of Judah/Yehudim) and or Roman, and or gentile converts. So in that sense they were not ‘all Jews’ and we should be more accurate. Whilst they were indeed one of the sects in those days, I do not consider them part of Judaism either (which is a different religion) as they did not read just the 24 ‘public’ books of the Jewish Tanahk “for the worthy and the unworthy” but also read and knew the 70 ‘hidden’ books “for the wise amongst the people”held exclusively at the 2nd temple, with 2 copies at Alexandria, plus the scroll copies at Dameshek/Qumran. Hence Mat 22:23 and Mark 12:18 Messiah castigating them for not knowing the scripture of Toviyahu (which was one of the hidden 70) Thus they were not an offshoot of Judah-ism, which conducted animal sacrifice and it is more the case that Judaism was the one departing from the ancient Hebraic truth as recorded by Jude in 41ad “go back to the faith once delivered unto the Patriarchs” ie go and read ALL 94 Hebrew books not just the 24 which Rome later recounted as the OT39. Equally I would disagree with the term ‘apostles’ which was first introduced and first stated by ha Satan that he would “send HIS apostles to deceive mankind” where by contrast Yeshua had ‘disciples’ who followed his teaching to the very letter, not make up their own doctrine and version of the truth These 2 terms have of course been muddled up, misused and mistranslated ever since….. Ebionites was a derogatory term for the vegetable eating Tzadokite Issayim, Essenoi (Greek) Essene (English) who did not eat dead flesh, conduct animal sacrifice and read ALL the 94 Hebrew scriptures not just the 24 public books, some with Greek names. But don’t worry 2Ws are coming soon to correct this mess. Blessings
They have certainly disbelieved who say, “Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary” while the Messiah has said, “O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.” Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers. (Surah 5:72)
Rabbi singer is correct. He read Matthew and was totally correct. The only way for "your righteousness to exceed that of the pharisees and the scribes" would mean a believer would have to know the written Torah by heart like a scribe and would need to know all the oral law like a pharisee would. Yeshua would appear offensively Jewish to modern Christians. If anything he started Hasadut not Christianity!
I disagree. Jesus taught adherence to the Law given to Moses by God. He rebuked the pharisees for their adherence to the Talmud, aka Rabbinical tradition. The Talmud was given from man to man. But the Law was given to Moses by God.
Lance Bloom Jesus also was in a few disagreements with Moses because he new that Moses Gave in to the evil spirit a few times.....this is the true reason the devil wanted the body of Moses.
Yeshua actually pointed all the way back to Genesis. When he pointed out that Moses had allowed/modified Yahs law. When he allowed them to unlawfully divorce due to the hardest of their hearts/minds. Have to take it back to the original Genesis Basics. Before animals were APART of the human diet. As Man moved futher away from the original truth & way of life. More rules/laws/regulations were added as a result
ACTUALLY THE TRUE FOLLOWERS OF YESHUAH EBIONITES SAW HIM AS PROPHET NOT A DIVINE GOD, AND BASED IN TORAH TORAH MORAL MITZVAH IS FOR EVERYONE EVEN FOR GOYM NO JEWISH, GREEK NEW TESTAMENT IS EUROPEAN MADE EVEN NAZARINES DIDNT ANTHING TO DO WITH IT. IM A FORMER CHRISTIAN FOR OVER 35 YEARS AND CHRISTIAN MINISTER, BUT THE ANCESTOS WHO END THE LIFE OF THE JESUS WAS TERMINATED BY THE ANCESTORS OF CHRISTIANITYTHE EUROPEAN, AN THE BEST PROOF IS GREEK NEW TESTAMENT, ONE MORE TIME GREEK NEW TESTAMENT, NOT HEBEW TESTAMENT, THE HEBREW LANGUAGE WAS BOTH THE NATIONAL AND RELIGIOUS LANGUAGE OF FIRST CENTURY ISRAEL NOT GREEK, THE GREEK LANGUAGE WAS HATED IN THAT TIME, AND THE COMMON LANGUAGE NOT RELIGIOUS LANGUAGE WAS ARAMAIC, JEUS/YESHUAH I NIT THE THE TRUE PROPHET YESHUAH, BUT GECORROMAN GOD JESUS,HA SATAN INVENTION, EVIL INCARNATED.
Would it be possible that the Dead Sea Scrolls were written by Ebionites? James brother of J was known as James the Just - which is a phrase the Dead Sea Scrolls name - Would James be an Ebionite?
Very interesting. I want to dig up and read all the early Christian writings I can. I want to find out for myself just how reflective the Ebionites were of James and the early church. Because I find it hard to believe that the early church, as a whole, including their pillars (James, Peter, etc) denounced Paul and yet we just have absolutely almost no record of it. Obviously some people are just going to comment “oh because they just buried an destroyed all the letters opposing him”, I mean...maybe...but boy will the evidence need to be there for that. In Acts and Galatians we do see that there were 100% Jews who HATED Paul, and disagreed with him, but never ALL of them and never the major leading figures like James or Peter. However this is merely one account and one arguably biased toward Paul. I am wondering just how solidly scholars think the Ebionites represent in full “original” Christianity... Edit: In the same way, generally, people don't think Marcion represented Paul, I hesitate to let the Ebionites represent James.
I think it was in the Pseudo Clementines or the Homilies where Peter is on record of reading Paul the riot act after Paul "opposed Peter to his face." And in Acts James has Paul pay for the fulfillment of some brothers' vows and he starts out fully compliant, but then we hear of Paul bringing a gentile into the Jews only area of the Temple, Paul is evicted and excommunicated, and the Romans have to save him from an angry mob. We hear nothing of James after that. I wonder why? 🤔
Paul was Herodian. He was a liar and fool of hope. A heathen. Burn his letters. Aban or Peter did not write 1 and 2 Peter btw. Paul faked his conversion and YA'OHshai warned to not listen to someone who says they saw him in wilderness... Plus Paul cant even keep his story correct about his fake conversion. Paul was an OP for dem Romans. No one dies for your sins too. Burn Paul's letters.
"why isn't there evidence of the church denouncing Paul before they accepted his teachings?" "The church burned the letters so as to not seem as if god's organization can change its mind, which implies that it was wrong about something, which would be bad for it's reputation" "There's going to need to be evidence for that." "...they deliberately destroyed it, so they wouldn't look bad" "Yeah but there needs to be evidence of that" "They have a history of destroying artifacts, people, and books that disagree with their teachings" "Is there evidence of that?" "Multiple historical accounts." "I mean real evidence. Where are the ashes?" "Where are the ashes from things burned thousands of years ago?" "Yes."
The answer is found in clement homilies (roberts donaldson ed) Paul was the chief apostle of satan who first used that moniker for his apostates, today the term has been muddled with disciples Peter and James never agreed with Paul who led people astray onto the false wide path which is only realised once the truth is understood. Paulicans will also suffer in the tribulation as they have no defence mechanism
Kudos Rabbi Singer, a very good & truthful synopsis of the Ebionites. One small point maybe I disagree with: many if not most historians have come to the conclusion that early on the Ebionites & Nazarenes were the same group only divided by location. Later on they split over the virgin birth issue, the Nazarenes adopted the Orthodox belief whereas the Ebionites maintained a strictly adoptionist Christology.
That's right. I would go so far as to say that the Nazarenes of later times were not the nazarenes of the first century. Acts says Paul was a "ringleader" of the nazarene sect. The nazarenes were originally probably, gentiles and hellenist jews. Ebionites were closer to the truth.
@@MinisterRedPill I give little credence to most of the so called new testament, some of it maybe based on the original Gospels(Ebionites, Nazarenes & Hebrews all had their own Gospel in Aramaic or Hebrew) so I would attest the Orthodox were boosting Paul's notoriety in Acts. All of the original Gospels were sought out & burnt along with whoever possessed such scripture by the Orthodox after Nicene, when the Ebionites were declared the worst of all heretics. Paul was considered a false prophet by the Ebionites, likely the reason he avoided Jerusalem
As a Calligrapher, when he mentions the manuscripts were being copied onto Vellum at 17:05 I was truly impressed. The Rabbi really does know his stuff!
In this respect tovia is correct although I don't like his moral attacks on jesus , he is correct that early jewish followers of jesus did not all believe jesus was the son of god perse !ebionites ,nazarenes,etc..although some might have !
Rabbi again your criticism of Christianity is spot on, but you fail to apply the same standards to yourself. Jewish faith changed immensely in its long history and still does today.
He stated that he was showing that Messianic Jews are told that they're adopting a Chritianity similar to what was present in the First Century, but they're not. He's talking about actual church history. He's debunking Messianic Christianity.
@@cheryldeboissiere1851 Thanks for the reply, and you are the only one who has ever noted that there were that many "heretical" heresies. If I may ask, to what (if any) religious belief do you belong? If you are a Pauline Christian, then the teachings of the Nazarene/Ebionites would be heresy. If you are a Jew, the Nazarenes/Ebionites were sects of Judaism....which again would be heretical sects to Paulinists. Epiphanius was a defender of Paulinism (Christianity)....so, anything he had researched and deemed to be a heresy, then anything he had to write (which was a lot) in regard to the 7 sects of Judaism and in particular, Nazarene Judaism, would instead be true. So, I ask again, what religion do you associate with? It helps to know from what perspective you are looking at this.
Funny how people listen to others yet don't hear what they say. If Bart understood correctly as I bet he did, then he would know the Nazarenes & Ebionites agreed on mostly everything except the virgin birth. This is why the so called church fathers called the Ebionites the worst of all Heretics.
@@xxredjayxx that is what I believe after decades of serious study. Sadly all the text of the Ebionites was sought after & destroyed by the Orthodox. Not to mention all Ebionite leaders were at first exiled & later killed. The Ebionites did not just fade away, they were declared the worst heretics and put down like sick animals. This is the #1 reason for leaving my faith in Christianity.
@@xxredjayxx don’t invent an idea out of your ass. The Ebionites who were strict in following the teachings of Jesus and disassociated themselves so strictly from Paul and believed that Jesus preached only to Isrealites, have literally NO reason to invent this. Most importantly not from the pagan polytheists whom they saw as filthy.
@@robbielee2148 some survived in the Middle East til the 10 century some say but was absorbed into Islam and it’s said this is the type of Christian Muhammad encountered in Arabia thus is why he said the Christians were monotheist because how they viewed Jesus is the same exact way Muslims view Jesus because if Muhammed encountered catholic Pauline Christianity it would’ve viewed it as polytheism and would’ve sought to destroy and violently suppress it
There were Ebionites who accepted the Virgin birth. These were the true ones that were in Arabia that the Prophet Muhammad's wife Khadijah belonged.: Bromiley, Geoffrey W (1982), International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, E-J, p. 9, "Origen was the first to distinguish between two types of Ebionites theologically: those who believed in the Virgin Birth and those who rejected it" THE FORMATION OF THE EARLY CHURCH by Jostein Adna (The Ebionites Use of the Gospel of the Hebrews) - Page 269 Following Origen(Cels 5:61) Eusebius makes a distinction between the two kinds of Ebionites: One group denied the virgin birth and others did not. When describing the latter group Eusebius notes that, despite the fact that they accepted the Virgin Birth, they were still heretics especially because they were zealous in observing the law and because they rejected the letters of Paul,calling him Apostate.....
@@sapphyx26 You mean a man that preached what the prophets of the old testament taught. There is a reason many religious Jews would prefer to pray in a mosque than to even step foot in a church.
its always true that history is written by the winners. James The Brother of Jesus - Leader of the Apostles - Leader of the EBIONITES was declared heretics by Greek convert of Paul.
Yet all the gospels, letters, acts, and revelations werre written by greeks 😂 so calling paul a greek convert yet not acknowledging that everything was written in koine Greek is foolish
Test the psylosybin mushrooms. You will know for yourself what they believe. " if they eat of the fruit of thr tree of knowledge, they shall become as gods and know the difference between right and wrong" Probably not the exact wording of the quote. But close enough.
I think it's more like Jesus the Nazorean (Brancher) because archeologists have dug up evidence that Nazareth was just a small hamlet or even a single family farm.
There is argument that the remnants of Ebionite beliefs can be seen in Islam. Muhammad had interaction with Ebionite tribes in northern Arabia and repackaged their faith as Islam.
Lorene Rae Ward this guy is Jew who believe Jesus is bastards second the Ebionites were people who believe Jesus was a prophet he wasn’t the son of god or a godhead the Ebionites were people who were Christians but were following Jewish law the Jewish leaders or the Jewish elders who had problem with them because they were following the law of Moses when Jesus came he criticise the Jews for leaving the mosaic law and for following Jewish elders this made the Jews scorn Jesus because he accuse them of leaving the commandments of god now since Jesus was the last of the Israelite prophets and he heavily criticised them this made the Jews plan to kill Jesus but god saved him since the Jews had killed many prophets which god send to them they weren’t going to tolerate Jesus the Ebionites were considered as heretic because they the followed the law of Moses and followed Jesus this made the Jesus elder 😡 at them
@@NaseerAhmed-sc5bl * Again, there is the assumption that the "New Testament" is factual. Read what it actually says and not what you pastors and imams say that it says. You will start to see the truth. You will eventually understand the real message of the Hebrew Bible if you don't falter. So many times people assume that what other's say is honest and he is a trustworthy person who is deligent at his studies. Carefully proceed in your search for honesty and truth!
@@maxprescott9371 It's because the churches today are established on falsehoods. Such the trinity doctrine, partipating in celebrations of Christmas and Easter. What's mind boggling is Christians know these things are pagan and have no Biblical foundation.
Without getting into a time machine and travelling back to that time but most scholars agree that Christianity as it is generally understood, began as a rejection of the Jewish Temple and a movement in its own direction. Were the Essenes influential, or perhaps the school that was possibly started by the author of the Book of Sirach (found in most compilations of the Jewish Apocrypha)? What cannot be disputed is the presence of the Roman Empire and its Hellenistic influences, cast a long shadow over the region!
Pulsar Stargrave Jesus was the last of the Israelite prophets the Jews had never likes the prophet of god and many they had murdered them with there own hand 🖐 now here comes Jesus who criticised the Jewish elders for leaving the commandments of god and trying to change the law of Moses this brought scorn to Jesus by Jewish elders they then hatched a plan to murder him and god saved him the Ebionites were Christian who followed the mosaic law Ie the law of Moses and they said Jesus is prophet not the son of god or godhead the Jewish elders saw the Ebionites as threat because they weren’t Jewish second because they were following the law Moses and they followed Jesus the Jewish religion has always been about to protect Jewish identity so they considered Ebionites to be heretic and they murder them as well
There was a high priest problem in those days. The Romans deposed the high priest Annas and replaced him. A lot of Jews felt that being high priest was a life time appointment and did not accept the Romans appointment of a replacement. In effect, there were two high priests. This situation had to be awkward. Let me add that even though a High Priest wanted the execution of Jesus, there is an littleun mentioned text of the Clementine who lived in Rome and is sometimes thought of as a early Pope. When asked by Christians if they can do sacrifices, he told them that if you really wanted to do them, then arrange for the High Priest in Jerusalem to sacrifice a dove for you. That implies that respect for the High Priesthood lingered somewhat until the destruction of the temple.
@@theman4445 There were lots of movements back then, on the mystical level as well as the political. I haven't heard too many stories about the influence of BUDDHISM and other religions from the east and I think many scholars overlook them! I assume that comes from Western chauvinism but I could be wrong!
Many buddhists think jesus was a reincarnation of the buddha. I have also read of links between the buddhists and the druiduc religions of europe. Which were then incorporated into christianity. Alistair crowleys book on yoga mentioned the same idea also. And there us definately a connectiom between hunduism, buddhism and altered states if conciouness. Wheather through austerities, meditations or comsumption. The first time you eat the mushrooms. All the religious art will make much more sense and i felt that i could see their inspiration in a way i never did before. Liberty caps. The fruit of the tree of knowledge
What about the Nazarenes (James, Peter, John, Paul and apostles.)? The Nazarenes were Jesus' sect. They were distinctive only in their belief that Jesus was Messiah. If modern "Christians" returned to the Nazarene faith and kept Torah, Sabbath, food laws etc. Then the "10 Lost Tribes" of Israel would in effect no longer be lost. Ezekial's "Dry Bones" prophecy would come to pass. Please advise.
No it wouldn't come to pass the way the modern "Christians" preach it. The reason that they didn't last is that they saw that the prophecies that they attributed to "Jesus" were false! The generation that were with him saw with their own eyes that he was not coming back before they died. The Temple prophecy was false too. There are still stones standing of the second Temple (almost 2000 years after that was written down as Scripture.)
Jesus said that He is the Truth= Torah, The Way= Torah, and the Life=Torah. . End time remnant will be those who have the faith of Jesus and guard the commandments of God. Rev 14:12 I believe!
If you actually take your time with Paul/Shaul, you will see he advocated learning and keeping Torah. He saw the Law of Sin and Death(like the law of gravity) as something bad. And that Yeshuas actions rescued people from the charges set against them when they are sincerely repetitive or just unlearned. This is why he took the nazarite vows and why he circumcised his pupil. This is why he was zealous while he believed the false witnesses and why he was zealous after he stopped believing the false reports. People took his letters out of context to justify the things he tried teaching against.
What is use when he say that it’s not necessary to follow and doesn’t make a difference?well according to you Christians doesn’t matter what a Christian do he commits murder,rape lie steal it doesn’t matter because you think Jesus the messiah died for your sins how stupid and Ironic
That therein is the problem. The law is our life blood. It is the good Yeshua was trying to restore. Yeshua was the last prophet, the last one to restore torah. Paul was alive during the time of the men that walked with Yeshua. Why do we need him?
False. Paul was corrected in acts 21 by james and the elders for teaching against the laws. He went through a evolution. He really was teaching against torah at first
Often, I don't agree with the Rabbi's ultimate conclusions, but hot damn... the guy is FAR more educated in church history than the vast majority of folks who make a living inside the Christian Church (whatever facet). Nice work. Bravo.
*ACTUALLY THE TRUE FOLLOWERS OF YESHUAH EBIONITES SAW HIM AS PROPHET NOT A DIVINE GOD, AND BASED IN TORAH TORAH MORAL MITZVAH IS FOR EVERYONE EVEN FOR GOYM NO JEWISH, GREEK NEW TESTAMENT IS EUROPEAN MADE EVEN NAZARINES DIDNT ANTHING TO DO WITH IT. IM A FORMER CHRISTIAN FOR OVER 35 YEARS AND CHRISTIAN MINISTER, BUT THE ANCESTOS WHO END THE LIFE OF THE JESUS WAS TERMINATED BY THE ANCESTORS OF CHRISTIANITYTHE EUROPEAN, AN THE BEST PROOF IS GREEK NEW TESTAMENT, ONE MORE TIME GREEK NEW TESTAMENT, NOT HEBEW TESTAMENT, THE HEBREW LANGUAGE WAS BOTH THE NATIONAL AND RELIGIOUS LANGUAGE OF FIRST CENTURY ISRAEL NOT GREEK, THE GREEK LANGUAGE WAS HATED IN THAT TIME, AND THE COMMON LANGUAGE NOT RELIGIOUS LANGUAGE WAS ARAMAIC, JEUS/YESHUAH I NIT THE THE TRUE PROPHET YESHUAH, BUT GECORROMAN GOD JESUS,HA SATAN INVENTION, EVIL INCARNATED* .
You're right the apostle James protected the Ebionites or at least Ebionite THINKING Christians In the church in Jerusalem. After the Romans destroyed Jerusalem the Ebionites we're scattered and disappeared into history. But maybe Mohammed talked to some and they preached the OT to him and a non trinitarian Jesus.
Jo Hino; some scholars believe that small groups of Ebionites survived in Arabia & that these Torah observant followers of Jesus influenced Mohammed’s view of who Jesus was.
bb1111116 their is no proof of that lol, why are you guys so adamant to disprove Islam. We were right after all. The early Christians even knew that Jesus was not God.
Yes, if the original earliest Christians, lead by Jesus' brother James (James would know his brother and his teachings) for 30 years never believed that Jesus was the son of God, divine, born of a virgin, died for our sins, etc., then it should make one wonder where these ideas came from and every Christian should ask themselves the same question. The answer would be ROME and it's pagan beliefs. It's very sad that Christians do not know their own history, if they did, most would not be Christian today, but those described as the "strangers" in Isaiah 56 who take hold of His (the Most High's) covenant and join themselves to the Most High (most also do not even know what the covenant is).
M. Ruth; 1. Where did the ideas of the divine Jesus come from? * The letters of Paul & the books in the New Testament with the name John associated with them. 2. Where did the virgin birth come from? * The additions to Mark in Matthew & Luke.
Rabbi have you considered how much less food there would we were not allowed to cross-breed animals I'm speaking as a gardener sometimes very good idea put two shades in one whole
Somehow, I suspect that Ignatius of Antioch and the other Apostolic Fathers would disagree that the Ebionites were the first Christians. They certainly were the first heretics being a continuation of the Judaizer faction that disagreed with the counsel of Jerusalem in Acts 15. I do agree that Christianity is a leap from Judaism as Christ said on another topic, "Mark 2:22, And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the wine will burst the skins, and both the wine and the wineskins will be ruined. Instead, new wine is poured into new wineskins."
Rabbi - Tovia I Have One Question Please. Please Answe Me from Book of Moses The Holy - Torah. Question is That - The Muslim Womens Dont Pray & fasting durring The Menstruation Periods. 🧞♀️ But This is not in Quran. Quran & Menstruation ? Quran 2- 222 >> And They ask You about menstruation. Say, "It is harm So keep away from wives during menstruation. & Do not approach them until they are pure. I Think A Women can pray durring the Menstruation periods.
Please people think a little bit. The concept of Messiah is a JEWISH concept it comes from a Hebrew word Mashiach and it has clear conditions for someone to be the Messiah, that person needs to meet ALL of those conditions . You can not just come and completely destroy that and re-invent the concept and say Jesus was the Messiah just because Christianity says so. Jesus does not meet ANY of the requirements. Please look it up . As much as it may frustrate Christians, Jesus was JEW he was not a Christian , he never was and he never will be and so you can't interpret who Messiah was, based on Christian interpretations. That's like someone coming and inventing a sandwich and calling it "pizza" and saying that pizza is now going to be a sandwich going forward, No, it simply isn't. Otherwise, nothing would make sense, anyone could come up with any idea and change all definitions of things and there would be chaos... Please look up what Messiah conditions have to be met in Judaism, learn something and not just follow up like sheep what they tell you. It is unreal to me that Christians venerate a Jew as their God , yet know NOTHING about Judaism
Who HE is. I AM Big difference is that Josiah was an ACTUAL physical descendant of David.....that is what made him a king, not "following" David's example. And jesus isn't a physical descendant of David.....according to even the NT.
Your lectures are always illuminate our understanding By the way . . could you please tell what's this song your show always ends with.. It's soothing to listen to this
I am glad you enjoyed it. It is Adon Olam, "Sovereign of the Universe." Send me a request for the song at toviasinger1@aol.com. I'll be glad to send it to you. It is copyright free.
t3ddyt3ddy Muhammad ﷺ couldn’t even read or write his own name and didn’t tell a single lie in 40 years prior to his Prophethood - 2 facts grudgingly attested by even his fiercest enemies. The Ebionites and early Christians were the true followers of Jesus. Abrahamic (non trinity) Monotheism and belief that Jesus was the Messiah Today their equivalent are the Muslims
Peace Fulness Yes a ‘false prophet’ who singlehandedly dug an entire pagan nation out of the dark grave of 360 statue god idolatry to pure Abrahamic Monotheism Yes a ‘false prophet’ who has been responsible for bringing more former pagans worldwide to pure Old Testament 1st Commandment Abrahamic Monotheism than all the other ‘true’ prophets combined. A ‘false prophet’ who has eradicated and vanquished more idolatry and statue worship worldwide than all the other ‘true’ prophets combined. Even Jews grudgingly admit that Muslims are 100% Monotheists and are the only people along with them who worship the same God as them without idolatry or association (shutfus/shirk) Therefore even Jews are forced to admit that 99.9% of the people today who worship the true God with true non idolatrous belief are people who follow a ‘false prophet’ - 👏
Amphy Con The entire New Testament canon was formulated by followers of Paul - the self declared ‘13th apostle’ The Book of Acts was most probably written by the physician of Paul so is NOT an impartial account of events as the writer is Paul’s friend writing THEIR side of the story. It’s funny how all the epistles of Paul survived but none of the detailed writings of James the Just and his followers and any writings of the original apostles have survived. The 4 gospel authors are unknown and written in the 3rd person (non eyewitness accounts). And a lot of the letters and books of the New Testament have been forged under names of apostles by other authors as Bart Ehrman has clearly proved in his book ‘Forged’ It’s a shame Jesus was such a poor incompetent teacher during his ministry that he had to return in a vision to a brute of a Jew who was killing Christians 5 minutes ago - and then appoint him the ‘13th apostle’ after his ascension to heaven and make this 13th apostle author the majority of the New Testament 🤔 "For the moment my only belief is that nothing ought to be believed with-out good reason, and that what is believed without good reason is that which is believed without knowledge of its origin: and I must with the best of reasons approach this inquiry with uneasiness when I find one affirmed to be an apostle [Paul], of whom in the list of the apostles in the gospel I find no trace. So when I am told that he was subsequently promoted by our Lord, by now at rest in heaven, I find some lack of foresight in the fact that Christ did not know beforehand that he would have need of him, but after setting in order the office of apostleship and sending them out upon their duties, considered it necessary, on an impulse and not by deliberation, to add another, by compulsion so to speak and not by design" - Tertullian Bring me a SINGLE trinitarian from the first 2 centuries after Jesus. A SINGLE statement outlining the doctrine from the first 2 centuries from anyone - open challenge
Amphy Con So All the 'heresies' of people denying Jesus's divinity kept coming and regularly resurfacing from the actual areas where Jesus lived and preached and walked and the Holy Land (Syria/Palestine) and all the 'pure' teachings of Jesus were rigrouously defended and remained in Rome and Europe with the Gentiles??? This is totally absurd! John Toland comments on this unsettling predicament in his book 'The Nazarenes' “Since the Nazarenes or Ebionites are by ALL the church historians unanimously acknowledged to have been the first Christians, or those who believed in Christ among the Jews with which, his own people, he lived and died, they having been the witness of his actions, and of whom were ALL the Apostles, considering this, I say how was it possible for them to be the first out of all others (for they were the first to be made heretics), who should form wrong conceptions of the doctrines and designs of Jesus? And how did the Gentiles who believed in Jesus much later after his death by the preachings of persons that never knew him get truer notions of these things, and where could they have got their information from if not from these believing Jews (Nazarenes)?” - John Toland - ‘The Nazarenes’ My response to the above statement: Yes! Exactly! From where indeed????
James the brother of the lord in his writings says his father Joseph, was a widow and was 84 and Mary was 14 and that he was not the father of Jesus. His sons James, Jude, John etc were then older sons from his first marriage and not the direct blood brothers of Jesus. Jesus never said he was God. So much has been added and changed its often difficult to know, but James was the leader of the early church and would have know the truth more than anyone being directly involved. Ebionites believed the 10 Commandments of God were valid forever, but not the laws of Moses which had been fulfilled, some also followed the Nazerite Law. Today the definition of what is 'the law' is very muddled and not specific.
good information, but the contradiction needs to be addressed: how could the ebonites be vegetarian, and also practice animal sacrifice. The two ideas contradict each other. My guess is that the ebonites did not see animal sacrifice as part of christianity, but there were Jews who were not ebonies who held on to old beliefs.
So, why is it with all the information that is available, knowing the letter J , came into (English) language In The 17th century, that folks refuse to acknowledge a Hebrews name , that was born in Israel , before the common era, as in Yashua. I mean really, if a Israeli can't acknowledge His birth name, How are you supposed to separate from the True Messiah, and a false Messiah?
The Ebionites and their messiah were Jews. Why do you and others refer to the Ebionites as Christians? The Ebionites were established before one of the first Jewish-Christian schisms initiated by Simon Magus (the human basis of the Saul/Paul character). But that was not a radical break. Magus' dogma applied god-fearer Torah to non-Jew Greeks who awaited the second coming of the Ebionites' Jewish messiah. What do you think the likelihood is that Yehoshua the Egyptian was the Ebionite messiah? What variant of the 'Yehoshua' name did the Ebionites use to refer to their messiah?
Why would James the brother of Yeshua believe something that was not true I am a Essene ebounite Nazarite Hebrew and we don't and will never believe Yeshua was Devine he was the Nov. True profit and we reject Trinity it is a lie and Oneness Doctrine Jesus was not the father Yeshua was the prophet Deuteronomy 18 the show us the way he was the way he was righteous prophet very righteous profit and Paul was a liar then to James John Peter the ebionites and 2000 years does not make him a truth-teller a lie that is a lie has always been a lie and will always be a lie anyone that rejects the Ebounites are Antichrist
I agree with you brother how come THE JEWISH MESSIAH not in his lifetime break the commandments of Moses and after that someone comes and say that jesus appeared to him and said law doesn’t matter ?why during his time on earth he endorsed and took grave risk to call jews to follow The law and after leaving earth say to someone that wasn’t an apostle that law doesn’t matter
@@287_shaikhmustafa7 shalom b'nai or yes you are very correct Paul was considered an apostate from the law that means they considered him the Antichrist but there was certain laws that the lying pen Of The Scribe such as the p of the Torah understand that people think that Moses wrote the Torah that is the furthest thing from the truth you have Yahwistic source that is called the J source then you have the E Source which is the El Shaddai Source or Elohim source then you have the they deuteronomist source then comes the
@@287_shaikhmustafa7 then comes the p source which is the Priestly source which was written around 600 BC by the scribes of Josiah being a false Doctrine which is the sacrificial system all the in profits came to prophesy about the sacrificial system Isaiah 1 Jeremiah 7 Ezekiel 22 Ezekiel 23 Amos 5 Psalms 40 Psalms 50 Psalm 78 Proverbs I forget which one there's 43 scriptures that the sacrificial system was false look them up for yourself Numbers Chapter 11 understand there was only Mana in the desert because if they brought all the flocks and animals out of Egypt for the sacrifice then why was there Mana why was they craving meat and he sent them quail and all the quill that he sent them while it was still in their mouth hey gave a plague to the Eaters of the meat you have to understand certain things that yahushua came to come against with the sacrificial system because it's a lie the lying pen Of The Scribe a famous saying Buy yahushua was stop the sacrifice in the eating of meat or rap will never cease from you
Question: could a person hold the beliefs of the Ebionites and be considered Jewish? Would they be allowed to hold such beliefs be considered “Orthodox” Jews?
Ted Stout I'm not a Jew myself, but I know some Jews who believe Jesus is the Messiah, yet are fully practicing Jews who reject Catholic ideas like the Trinity. In essence, they consider Jesus to be a righteous man who taught Scripture well, and believe that he will return as the Messiah instead of some unknown man filling that role. But practically, they are Jews. They go to an orthodox synagogue, wear tefillin, etc. Although I myself am unconverted (but lean much more toward Judaism that Christianity), I can't say if Jews accept them as Jewish, but from what I've seen, they are accepted.
The issue with this is the BIBLE itself the writers, church fathers, etc. The ebionites weren't those who experienced the ressurection of Christ nor were the eyewitnesses. Also, prophecy show that the messiah is the LORD the bringer of the covenant.
Concerning the Ebionites Hippolytus says: "The Ebionites, however, acknowledge that the world was made by Him Who is in reality God, but they propound legends concerning the Christ similarly with Cerinthus and Carpocrates. They live conformably to the customs of the Jews, alleging that they are justified according to the law, and saying that Jesus was justified by fulfilling the law. And therefore it was, (according to the Ebionites,) that (the Saviour) was named (the) Christ of God and Jesus, since not one of the rest (of mankind) had observed completely the law. For if even any other had fulfilled the commandments (contained) in the law, he would have been that Christ. And the (Ebionites allege) that they themselves also, when in like manner they fulfil (the law), are able to become Christs; for they assert that our Lord Himself was a man in a like sense with all (the rest of the human family) (Ἐβιωναῖοι δὲ ὁμολογοῦσι τὸν κόσμον ὑπὸ τοῦ ὄντως θεοῦ γεγονέναι· τὰ δὲ περὶ τὸν Χριστὸν ὁμοίως τῷ Κηρίνθῳ καὶ Καρποκράτει μυθεύουσιν. Ἔθεσιν Ἰουδαϊκοῖς ζῶσι, κατὰ νόμον φάσκοντες δικαιοῦσθαι, καὶ τὸν Ἰησοῦν λέγοντες δεδικαιῶσθαι ποιήσαντα τὸν νόμον· διὸ καὶ Χριστὸν αὐτὸν τοῦ θεοῦ ὠνομάσθαι, καὶ Ἰησοῦν, ἐπεὶ μηδεὶς αὐτῶν ἐτέλεσε τὸν νόμον· εἰ γὰρ καὶ ἕτερός τις πεποιήκει τὰ ἐν νόμῳ προστεταγμένα, ἦν ἂν ἐκεῖνος ὁ Χριστός. Δύνασθαι δὲ καὶ ἑαυτοὺς ὁμοίως ποιήσαντας, χριστοὺς γενέσθα· καὶ γὰρ καὶ αὐτὸν ὁμοίως ἄνθρωπον εἶναι πᾶσι λέγουσιν.).” Hippolytus of Rome (Ἱππόλυτος Ῥώμης) (170-235 AD), Refutation of All Heresies (Κατὰ πασῶν αἱρέσεων ἔλεγχος), Book VII, Chapter 22 (chapter 34 in Greek). Psalm 69:33 King James Version (KJV) 33 For the Lord heareth the poor (אביונים = Ebionites = πτωχοὶ [LXX]), and despiseth not his prisoners. ἰδέτωσαν πτωχοὶ καὶ εὐφρανθήτωσαν· ἐκζητήσατε τὸν Θεόν, καὶ ζήσεται ἡ ψυχὴ ὑμῶν, כי־שמע אל־אביונים יהוה ואת־אסיריו לא בזה׃ Hebrew Text. Peter, James, and John require that Paul collect money for the “poor (οἱ πτωχοὶ = Ebionites)” in Jerusalem: Galatians 2:8-12 King James Version (KJV) 8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:) ὁ γὰρ ἐνεργήσας Πέτρῳ εἰς ἀποστολὴν τῆς περιτομῆς, ἐνήργησε καὶ ἐμοὶ εἰς τὰ ἔθνη 9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision. καὶ γνόντες τὴν χάριν τὴν δοθεῖσάν μοι, Ἰάκωβος καὶ Κηφᾶς καὶ Ἰωάννης, οἱ δοκοῦντες στῦλοι εἶναι, δεξιὰς ἔδωκαν ἐμοὶ καὶ Βαρναβᾷ κοινωνίας, ἵνα ἡμεῖς εἰς τὰ ἔθνη, αὐτοὶ δὲ εἰς τὴν περιτομήν· 10 Only they would that we should remember the poor (τῶν πτωχῶν); the same which I also was forward to do. μόνον τῶν πτωχῶν ἵνα μνημονεύωμεν, ὃ καὶ ἐσπούδασα αὐτὸ τοῦτο ποιῆσαι. 11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. Ὅτε δὲ ἦλθε Πέτρος εἰς Ἀντιόχειαν, κατὰ πρόσωπον αὐτῷ ἀντέστην, ὅτι κατεγνωσμένος ἦν. 12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision. πρὸ τοῦ γὰρ ἐλθεῖν τινας ἀπὸ Ἰακώβου, μετὰ τῶν ἐθνῶν συνήσθιεν· ὅτε δὲ ἦλθον, ὑπέστελλε καὶ ἀφώριζεν ἑαυτόν, φοβούμενος τοὺς ἐκ περιτομῆς. Romans 15:25-27 King James Version (KJV) 25 But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints. νυνὶ δὲ πορεύομαι εἰς Ἰερουσαλήμ, διακονῶν τοῖς ἁγίοις. 26 For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor (τοὺς πτωχοὺς = Ebionites) saints which are at Jerusalem. εὐδόκησαν γὰρ Μακεδονία καὶ Ἀχαΐα κοινωνίαν τινὰ ποιήσασθαι εἰς τοὺς πτωχοὺς τῶν ἁγίων τῶν ἐν Ἰερουσαλήμ. 27 It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things. εὐδόκησαν γάρ, καὶ ὀφειλέται αὐτῶν εἰσιν. εἰ γὰρ τοῖς πνευματικοῖς αὐτῶν ἐκοινώνησαν τὰ ἔθνη, ὀφείλουσι καὶ ἐν τοῖς σαρκικοῖς λειτουργῆσαι αὐτοῖς. The authors of the Dead Se Scrolls refer to themselves as Ebionites: 4Q171 2:7-12 7 Ps 37:10 I will stare at his place and he will no longer be there. Its interpretation concerns all the wickedness at the end 8 of the forty years, for they will be completed and upon the earth no [wic]ked person will be found. 9 Ps 37:11 And the poor shall possess the land and enjoy peace in plenty. Its interpretation concerns 10 the congregation of the poor (האביונים = the Ebionites) who will tough out the period of distress and will be rescued from all the snares of 11 Belial (בליעל). Afterwards, all who shall po[sse]ss the land will enjoy and grow fat with everything enjoy[able to] 12 the flesh. 7 ואתבוננה על מקומו ואיננו פשרו על כול הרשעה לסוף 8 ארבעים השנה אשר יתמו ולוא ימצא בארץ כול איש 9 ר]שע וענוים ירשו ארץ והתענגו על רוב שלום פשרו על] 10 עדת האביונים אשר יקבלו את מועד התענית ונצלו מכול פחי 11 [בליעל ואחר יתענגו כול יו[ר]שי הארץ והתדשנו בכול תענ[וג 12 בשר
@@helorumtheknightsofmambrin2155 have you tried them? They are the closest to god ive ever felt. I believe they are the "fruit of the tree of knowledge" But i cant prove it. To take the sacrament under the stars is a religious experience far superior to anything i have experienced in organised religions. Which included a stint as a monk. Liberty caps grow around september in northern europe. Every country has its own variation. The true sacrament, in my humble opinion. P.s. Lsd is a synthesised version with similar effects, and more standardised doses. Easier to procure in cities all year round. P.p.s. i know this is illiegal in many countries so i am not condoning or advising anyone to break the laws of man.
Because we know more about what they didn't believe than what they do. The Gospel of the Ebionites is a lost work that only has seven surviving quotations. There are really only four interesting things about them that have survived: 1) They believed that Jesus was ordained/adopted as the Son of God at his baptism. 2) They were vegetarians (some historians speculate that they believed that the Roman pagans were tainting the meat and making it not kosher just by being around). 3) They followed the Torah, unlike Pauline Christians, and insisted that gentile converts follow the Torah. 4) They believed that Jesus had come to put an end to the sacrifice/sin offering system, but not necessarily any other stuff.
@@jagnestormskull3178 You can piecemeal stuff from the Q gospel and the epistle of James. Ordained son of god based on a mystical experience has about as much weight as Paul falling off his horse and going blind. The primary face is works discussed in the Yacovian Epistle is a vow of poverty in service to the mission. Peity can be interpreted in that light. I think that his protest on sin offerings has more to do with who was doing the sacrifices than the sacrifices itself. Jesus appears to uphold a local ethos that was shared by other galileans, that the religious system imposed by Hycanus was corrupted, this appears to be the POV of the essenes also. So the resistence to the offerings is to deprive the Temple of its revenue.
@@MinisterRedPill I did not imagine the source, in fact there are three current published scholarly reconstructions. But since you orobably don read the scholarly literature . . . . .
@@Darisiabgal7573 I actually do, for various different things. That doesn't mean that everything they say is valid or true. The "Q" narrative is just as mystical as the experience you deny of the others.
Huge problem is Christians can not see the New Testament is a fraudulent fabrication built on a foundation of more porky pies that are consumed in England each year. Used to be one of them until I began to read history.
@@joegarry8983 Paul was definitely Jewish. He says so himself that he was a Pharisee from a long line of Pharisees. Acts of the Apostles, 5 (written c. 80-90 CE) speaks of Paul's teacher Gamaliel as a man held in great esteem by all Jews and as the Jewish law teacher of Paul the Apostle in Acts 22:3. Gamaliel the Elder, or Rabban Gamaliel I, was a leading authority in the Sanhedrin in the early first century AD. He was the son of Simeon ben Hillel and grandson of the great Jewish teacher Hillel the Elder. Gamaliel remains revered as the last great Rabbi in the Second Temple period. This was Paul's teacher.
@@clarkewi Original followers of Jesus, the Ebionites referred to him as a liar and a deceiver and personally I would go along with that view, do not think any student of the great Gamaliel would say the law was a curse and human sacrifice in the O.T. is abomination.
Matthew 5:17, is very important to me, while Christians ✝️ claim Jesus will bless all who believes in him, inlwayss figured then we would be blessed to keep the law! To know truth, to be able to repent effectively, and would know the laws and obey the laws! ...
As a christian i find the rabbi very interesting. I am a christian because i believe after jedus was executed, his clos friends experienced jesus as if he was alive. Whethet pyhsical or spiritual can be discussed. I believe that same ecperience is available to us now. Jesus calls us to follow the heart of the law. To quote micah. Love mercy, do justice and wslk humbly with the lord your God. Blessings to all.
So in what way did Christ fulfil the law? Christians say the Jewish ceremonial laws were fulfilled through the crucifixion. Christ being a one time sacrifice for all men for all time, according to the New Testament.
It's like when u learn islam from the evangelism Christian.... They well tell u Muslim worship moon god, they will tell u Muslim pagan believer...which is the opposite,
I'm not sure if I can submit a question here or if you have already made material that'll answer my question. My question is how on Earth is it possible for Jacob and Rebecca to knowingly try to deceive and you search the blessings from Isaac to Esau? And if the intention of Isaac was to give the blessing 2 Esau then wouldn't it be binding on Esau in the first place? And why would God allow this blessing to be usurped unjustly? And when I read this I wanted to pull my hair out because it was so confusing
Isa Hakim everything that happens is G-d's will. So if Jacob usurped the blessing. That was intended to happen. There is no such thing as "good or bad or unjust". There are the laws of G-d and his will. If G-d allows it to happen then it serves a purpose. There are only events that serve the one. The moment you try to override your own will to an event. Such as "why did this happen? or why would G-d allow this?" That's your prerogative attempting to control the great will. You will never control the one. That's why Xhistians failed and why their cult is dying. Trying to hijack G-d's will never work. The one will do as he wishes and you're just here for the ride.
Madson Barbosa Filho I think you misunderstand my point. I I mean Muslim so hopefully I don't sound too arrogant in saying this but I understand the concept of even if you take every step correctly and do everything in your capacity to make something happen if it's not written for you by Allah then it is what it is. My point here is the idiocy of the story. So it says that Rebecca put sheepskin on Jacob. Not only that but you mean to tell me that Isaac one of the most important Prophets in history you mean to tell me that he couldn't recognize the voice of his own son? And he couldn't tell the difference between human hair and sheep's wool? So what we see is this theme in the Bible where it seems like someone was trying to rewrite history. For example it smile is the first born of Abraham and while he receives a promise or blessing from God that does not include the promise of Israel or the promised land Palestine whatever you want to call it. But here's my thing the promise that was made to Abraham was specifically for his descendants so how then do you prove that you are included in this promise? Because the promise of the land or the Covenant that God made with Abraham it's very specific and it does not say that people who adhere to the Jewish religion will be entitled to this land promise or Covenant it says that specifically the descendants of Abraham is who the Covenant is made with. So even if you can trace your genealogy to a Semitic people it doesn't even necessarily mean that Georgia sending of Abraham specifically. And Arabs have the Blood of Abraham so how would you know if your genealogy is not from you know parts of Abraham's family that the promise is not included for? It's too much fukery for me and not enough sensible reasonable logical answers
Madson Barbosa Filho so in short I'm challenging the authenticity of the story. And how can I look at people who are supposed to be prophets of God and you know look up to their example or you know trust them to be honest when over and over again there's nothing but stories of them you know engaged in treacherous deceitful disgusting behavior these aren't Role Models these aren't people to take Knowledge from you can't even trust them to be you no honorable to their own family or brothers or whatever it is they're all killing each other and deceiving each other for power and land and worldly things
Isa Hakim Alright you made a lot of strange claims. So ill do my best to make it simple. A: Abraham was old and dying. So he was not of his senses. G-d let the blessing go to Jacob and he was his mother's favorite. In Judaism mothers are the gate through which you are made Jewish. You're adding gentile aspects to how the story "should go" in your mind. You claim to be a Muslim which makes you doing that very strange. Arabic/ Muslim history is full of aspects very similar to Judaism and have very little to do with the gentile world. Arabs and Muslims betrayed each other constantly. The Caliphates waged war on each other. The Turks conquered the Arabs. The Sunnis and Shia constantly genocide and betray each other etc etc etc. Your concept of "just" sounds like cartoon justice. Which is child like justice that assumes life goes as you think it should. Rather then how G-d made it so. B: you assault holy texts for being stupid and illogical. Which is asinine at best. Both Xhistianity and Islam are forged on Torah being 100% true. The difference between both is that Xhistians see Yoshke as G-d and discredit Muhammad and Islam. Islam sees Yoshke as a prophet and discredits the saints and disbelieve Xhistians. Both believe Torah is divine and unaltered. Both see Torah as the word of G-d. If you go the atheist route and claim Torah is false or altered you simply do not believe abrahamic faiths. Because if Torah is false then all Abrahamic faiths fall apart. So that stance is nonsensical. Im postulating these points on basic logic and theological credit. All religions are full of people with "dark" aspects. All humans have yetzer hara. A smart individual would take advice from a person with wordly experience. People who wear holiness often do it for appearance sakes. Jews have struggled with G-d since weve come onto the earth. All humans struggle with yetzer hara. You're no saint yourself and likely have done a large list of sins. No one is perfect as only G-d is perfection. We follow our laws and do our best to strive for holiness. Yet we don't shy away from the gritty and dark details of our history. So you have to explain yourself in way where you don't sound like a wishy washy child. Im being blunt with you because you claim to be a Muslim. Ishmael is my kin so his covenant does matter to me as a Jew. If a Muslim claims silly talking points it irks me. Because it shames Ishmael.
Isa Hakim Ishmael was promised a great nation. He and his seed fulfilled this. The Muslims destroyed Rome and Persia. The ummayyds conquered large parts of Rome. The Islamic empires were bigger then european ones. Muslims today are a massive nation of peoples. Ishmael was given his own covenant and progeny. This happened for him. The land of Israel is promised to the Jewish people. Although at times Muslims have freed israel from foreign usurpers. Such the first jihad done by Muhammad's ummah and salahin's conquest of the kingdom of Jerusalem. If you read history without emotions and stop trying to hijack G-d's will it makes a lot more sense. Children cry when the baby gazelle gets eaten by the lion on national geographic. They throw a tantrum and ask their parents to change it. As if their will should stop nature itself from taking its course. This is why I said to consider child like visions of "what should be". I'm sure many Xhistians cried asking for Muslims not to conquer and butcher them. Yet that was G-d's will. Just like the vise versa happening today from western armies. G-d's will happens weather you find it fair or not. Moses didn't even get to see Israel. Jews dealt with 2000 years of persecution from Xhistians. So your idea of "fair" just isnt realistic. The world has no such thing. It's all G-d's will. The same as how Hasatan is an agent of G-d. All serve the one.
Before I even comment here...I'm going to remind perhaps even Tovia of the story of Gameliel II and Ima Shalom, which I loosely call "the Ass Kicked over the Lamp." That particular Talmudic passage points out one thing about anything called an "Evangelion." That the "Evangelion" originated ONLY after the Second Temple was destroyed...at a time when the Galut had started. The philosopher judge that Gameliel II and Ima Shalom are talking to is indicative of the reality of that post-2nd Temple destruction time...of Samaritans and Hellenicists and a few others being in positions of authority under the Romans. I don't consider "the dude from Nazareth" version of Jesus to even have been heard of at that particular moment. Clearly there wasn't one in 40-50 c.e. when Philo died...and Philo was BIG on the ideas that were woven into very early ChrEstianity/Christianity. "Dude from Nazareth" is noticeably absent from Philo's works, though you could find a conceptual Logos and aleph-yod-shin in Philo's works. There's a LOT of different/new material that crops up around mid-2nd century. All of a sudden, even a "birth story". Tales of various apostles, too. Before Acts. Even one called The Acts of Paul/Acts of Paul and Thecla...though THAT one was clearly caught out as a fable. So yes, we DO hear of "Ebionites," but they're a bit weird to get a handle on. And...there's a bit of an association with the Clementine literature where James the Just is leader of a Jerusalem-based church and where "Paul" is akin to Simon Magus. Except...practically ALL mentions even of James the Just seem to crop up exactly around that same mid-2nd century period...in Hegessipus and Hegessipus-influenced copies of Josephus, Protevengelion of James, even whatever was the precursor of Acts. It's also a period where we've got someone claiming to be a student of "John" while being a bit narky at "Mark" or "Marcion. But thankfully we have an independent source, outside of the various ChrEstian/Christian groups of the time who tells us a bit more of the mid-2nd century dude writing so much stuff...under Death of Peregrinus Proteus. There's a forger/huckster from Parium with a lot of aliases, who apparently IS the person the "saints" Ignatius and Polycarp are drawn from. This idiot from Parium only even enters Iudea between Kitos and Bar Kochba. So...that's the earliest you would have even REALLY had "Christians" of the "i"-spelling. NOT before. Definitely, then, the "Ebionites" are not REAL. Not if they're working on what this fool from Parium was writing about a "James the Just." And...the second century material is NOT as identical to a 70 c.e. Evangelion as people think. For starters, the original Greek meaning of Evangelion. "Good News of a Military Victory." Good news ONLY to the groups BENEFITTING from a Roman win. Something written/proclaimed by a King (a last one) with FLAVIAN blessing. A first writer who was actually educated, rich and a king, who had a Mark in his name. There I'll draw on both Talmud references to Herod Agrippa for further detail. So...the mid-2nd century forger-huckster adds a LOT of material. Though it's still decades before Irenaeus and the new proto-Catholics take forging one step further. One of the things this forger/huckster writes is Protevangelion of James. In essence the FIRST birth story Jesus. The title itself tells us something...that it's meant to be a "prequel" to the Evangelion. If we used Star Trek analogies...if a 70 c.e. Evangelion was "Star Trek the Original Series," then Protevangelion of James would be Star Trek Enterprise...and a 190 c.e. Matthew and Luke would be Star Trek Discovery. Now...this still makes Protevangelion LATER than the original Evangelion no matter WHAT Protevangelion of James purports to be. One thing that obviously seems to have been missing in the original Evangelion was any "birth story" for its ISU character. That makes sense, because the "god/angel/allegory" ISU/Jesus came BEFORE "dude from Nazareth." And around 190 c.e., Irenaeus brings in Matthew and Luke birth stories. With Gospel of Luke having NO real existence before Irenaeus. So..."Ebionites" arise from the second-century huckster/forger's material. He was pretty big around Syriac areas...and obviously had fans picking different aspects of his forging. Why did this mid-2nd century forger/huckster have any spleen to vent at BOTH Mark AND Paul? Well, I think he actually knew "Paul" was really Mark, as groups BEFORE Irenaeus were aware, but just didn't tell many people. This huckster/forger, according to Death of Peregrinus Proteus, was BOOTED from a Chrestian/Christian group. From "Ebionites?" Let's get real...nope. From an EARLIER form of ChrEstianity that had been around since 70 c.e. One arising from Samaritan/Hellenicist/Herodian origins...where the active name was "Mark/Marqe. Irenaeus tells us that his "teacher," who he calls Polycarp, was asked "Recognise US, Poycarp." That's a distortion of an earlier, ChrEstian/Gnostic "orthodoxy" that the idiot from Parium was eventually booted from. From that time, the twerp from Parium wasn't big on Mark...and if he knew Mark was who Paul REALLY was...eventually the idiot from Parium would have laid the foundations of the "Paul" we're MORE familiar with, but who also has a ridiculous origin point in Tarsus. I know Tovia deals with the scholarship on this whole subject...but I prefer digging UNDER the "established" story of Christianity, since it's full of post-190 c.e. Irenaean distortions of just about everything. And I tossed out "Simon Magus" stuff ages ago, because it's a huge misdirection. Samaritans don't KNOW a Simon Magus. The really ACTIVE name for them has been..."MARQE. Mark. Likewise, the COPTS think Peter took away from Mark THE apostle's glory. Two groups ESPECIALLY hit by the Commodus-era appearance of Irenaeus...who, by his own admission, was tied to the Imperial Household. It's quite interesting that the progenitor of Irenaeus' group was that mid-2nd century forger huckster. And...since one of the hucker/forger's aliases was Hegessipus...think for a minute what that means to Josephan studies. We have a forger/huckster in the mid-2nd century, around the Tenth of Antoninus, 147 c.e., effectively making out he's a new Josephus. Hegesippus is where we get ideas of "christians" spelt with an "i" supposedly fleeing to Petra or even existing prior to 70 c.e. Hegessipus is the one trying to tell us of a Jerusalem church initially run by a "family of Jesus." Weirdly, the names "Hegessipus" used for that could have been taken wholesale from the Herodian family tree. Seriously...a LOT didn't exist in the "christian" side of the subject till around the end of that Kitos/Bar Kochba period. Go back BEFORE Kitos and you only have "the Good" in Roman/Flavian eyes, the Samaritans, the Hellenicist-Jews, the Greeks, and up to 100 c.e., Herod Agrippa. Curious that the idea to make a Jewish-SEEMING branch of Christians only really cropped up AFTER Celsus had said something in his more CONSTRUCTIVE criticisms of the ChrEstian groups he was aware of before Irenaeus came into the picture. Even there..."Ebionites" really didn't exist till someone wrote of them mid-2nd century...same as "dude from Nazareth" Jesus didn't exist until the second century either. That will be one thing I'll have to respectfully disagree with Tovia about.
@@inongbalee3092 Try reading some ancient works in one sitting...like Justin "Martyr's" Dialogue or even Lucian's Passing of Peregrinus Proteus. What I wrote was a reader's digest edition.
@@inongbalee3092 Admittedly, I didn't realise at the time I wrote it just how much I wrote...looking at it tonight, I gave myself six lashes of the wet shoelace for writing so much.
We need to find the direct contemporary writings of jesus or his followers ,until then we cannot really say for sure who jesus or his apostles really thought he was ,however no one can deny jesus was a reformist jew!
@@abrahamalexander4369 the Basilidians didn't belief Jesus was crucified and there were also other early Christian groups. I think it's unknown if the ebonites believed this but it can certainly be accepted that they also didn't belief it. They were actually connected to Peter and James who opposed Paul (the one who preached that without believing in the rescurrtion your faith is in vain)
Ngl looking back, a fat lot of my beliefs as a Christian were Ebionitic, though I do ended up seeing *some* times Paul was on point(but overall his epistles are full of crap)
Thank you - you turned a light on for me that settled feelings of things not quite right and could never get answers from the Church.
Excellent, Rabbi! A lot of things that need to be said and cleared up in this video. You present it in an accessible way that most people can understand and relate to.
*_ACTUALLY THE TRUE FOLLOWERS OF YESHUAH SAW HIM AS PROPHET NOT A DIVINE GOD, AND BASED IN TORAH TORAH MORAL MITZVAH IS FOR EVERYONE EVEN FOR GOYM NO JEWISH, GREEK NEW TESTAMENT IS EUROPEAN MADE EVEN NAZARINES DIDNT ANTHING TO DO WITH IT.
IM A FORMER CHRISTIAN FOR OVER 35 YEARS AND CHRISTIAN MINISTER, BUT THE ANCESTOS WHO END THE LIFE OF THE JESUS WAS TERMINATED BY THE ANCESTORS OF CHRISTIANITYTHE EUROPEAN, AN THE BEST PROOF IS GREEK NEW TESTAMENT, ONE MORE TIME GREEK NEW TESTAMENT, NOT HEBEW TESTAMENT, THE HEBREW LANGUAGE WAS BOTH THE NATIONAL AND RELIGIOUS LANGUAGE OF FIRST CENTURY ISRAEL NOT GREEK, THE GREEK LANGUAGE WAS HATED IN THAT TIME, AND THE COMMON LANGUAGE NOT RELIGIOUS LANGUAGE WAS ARAMAIC, JEUS/YESHUAH I NIT THE THE TRUE PROPHET YESHUAH, BUT GECORROMAN GOD JESUS,HA SATAN INVENTION, EVIL INCARNATED._*
The ebionites saw Paul as apostate antichrist.
Paul was most likely Josephus. Jesus was most likely the Prince of Edessa.
Jam 187 Paul was apostate who went away from the mosaic law and started preaching to gentiles
@@chinesesteel2713 Pot does a lot of interesting things, but never this clearly as someone speaking like a dumbass. (And no, I'm not a xtian.)
@@chinesesteel2713 if anything he was likely Simon Magus
@@NaseerAhmed-sc5bl Exactly, the Nazarenes were upon the truth before Islam.
Nazarenes: Jesus was not divine but the Messiah
Muslims: Jesus was not divine but the Messiah
Nazarenes: Jesus was only for the Israelites, not gentiles
Muslims: Jesus was only for the Israelites, not gentiles.
Nazarenes: Jesus's crucifixion was just an appearance.
Muslims: Jesus's crucifixion was just an appearence
Nazarenes: Jesus did not abrogate the law, he came to fulfill it after it was corrupted.
Muslims: Jesus did not abrogate the law, he came to fulfill it after it was corrupted.
And who knows a Nazarene (Jesus) better than the Nazarenes?
There's a striking similarity between early Muslims, Ebioniten and Jews
What do you mean by early Christians?
Early Christianity was non trinity Christianity, one god and Jesus Christ is the Prophet of God, and they follow the Torah and the Gospel of the Nazarenes
Yes, Islam is closest to early Christianity!
@@gabrielleangelica1977 not really. The Quran is a hodgepodge of WAY MUCH MORE Xtian offshoots(Isa creating Rukh? Straight from the Infancy Gospel of Thomas. Isa crucifixion being fake? Partially stolen from Docetics, but the Docetics consider Jesus fully divine. Mortal Isa? Taken from Ebionites, however Ebionites teach that Jesus was born naturally, sired by Joseph. The Ebionites agree with the Adoptionists that Jesus was adopted by God but Ebionites maintain Jesus was not divine after the adoption) that the Abbasids crammed into a holy book. Muhammad was based on the Abbasidized version of many Jewish sages and Christian kings who used the Messianic title MHMD. Most Umayyads were Unitarians, with the king who commissioned the Dome of the Rock, Abd al-Malik, using the same Messianic title MHMD. What about location of Muhammad? Look at the Lakhmid king Ilyas ibn Qabisah al-Tayaye(also used the title MHMD and also served as a mediator for the Sassanids and the Byzantines). BUT he was based in Kufa(formerly Hira'a.) Islam is the motherload of syncretism but ignored contradictions(and with the Gnostic influence saying contradictions are good, it doesn't matter to them).
Yes, thank you so much for these talks. I really appreciate them. You are my Rabbi Tovia Singer.
Hello Goodbye 😂 Jesus was the last of the Israelite prophets who came to for fill the law of the prophet the Jews track record following the prophets of god isn’t a good one there were many Israelite prophets which were send to them which they had murdered now he comes Jesus who criticised the Jewish elders for changing the law of Moses and leaving the commandments of god this let the Jewish elders to scorn Jesus they then decide to hatch plot to murder Jesus got saved by god the Ebionites was sect who were Christian but who followed the law of Moses they were circumcised they didn’t eat pork they believed Jesus was prophet and not a godhead the Jewish elders saw them as threat just like Jesus was first the Ebionites was not Jewish second they followed the law of Moses which the Jews were trying to wash there hands off and because the Ebionites followed Jesus this is what made Jewish elder to make the Ebionites in to heretics and they Jewish elders had them murdered the Jewish religion has always been about protecting the Jewish identity
Hello Goodbye god saved Jesus
Answers Ahmed * The Jewish faith is about praising the Eternal One blessed be the name. You apparently have an agenda. (I believe that Muslims secretly hate the Jews.)
@@NaseerAhmed-sc5bl * "Jesus" (the one that "Christians" worship, was not a prophet.
@@NaseerAhmed-sc5bl * Misinformation is what you have been taught. Yes, there are prophecies that have came true. What about the Temple prophecies? What about the prophecies about the judgement of the nations listed in the Tanaach? (And even Ishmael was prophesied to become great nations).
Unbelievable! I am appalled because I took the Rabbi at his word and looked up 'see what the church fathers said about the Jews' and could hardly bear to read such a vile outpouring of hate and bile. Truly shook me, I would never have believed it if anyone else had said that but I trust the Rabbi and he was absolutely correct.
the holy fathers attack the teachings of the jews, not the personns, of the jews.
@@ardisilir They attacked the Jews as Christ killers, blinded by Satan and as people who had lost God's favor and resorted to sinful deeds. They very much attacked the Jews as peoples, not simply their teachings.
just read NT remarks about the Jewa
Just read what the gospels said about the Jews, with Luke being the worst. Starting in Lk 23:24: "24 The verdict of Pilate was that their demand should be granted. 25 So he released the man who had been imprisoned for rebellion and murder, for whom they asked, and he handed Jesus over to them to deal with as they wished." In the next several verses Luke has *the Jews* lead out Jesus and crucify him. It's only later that the Roman soldiers even show up! (verse 36) This is just pure insanity!!! Even more so once you learned that Roman execution crosses are three dimensional, and crucified by penetration, not just holding in place with nails, and contrast with what Leviticus has to say about the like. They were basically structurally male assemblies modelled after Priapus! Of course the Christians had to lie about that too.
How can it be unbelievable?
If jesus was god. And the jews killed god. How could a christian forgive them, unless they followed the teaching of turning the other cheek.
They are wrong. But its easy to see how they thought it their duty.
Great historical lecture. Rabbi Tovia is correct it was inconvenient for early church to have the Ebionites around so the church crushed them early as they could, as they did to the Arian church and many other subgroups deemed a thorn on the side of the patristic church's trinitarian orthodox doctrine. Ironically Bar Kochba persecuted the Ebionites as well, mainly cause they did not fight at his side against Rome or accept his messianic claims.
The Essenes were before the Ebionites, correct? I believe they existed before the time of Jesus and then until after the Fall of Jerusalem. thanks for the lecture, Rabbi. mind if I ask you a few questions some time?
The Essenes are listed in Epiphanius “Panarion”. They are among 80 sects he includes as committing heresies. The Ebionites are listed as well. He wrote this in the late 4th Century. You don’t include dead people in a list of active heretical Christian sects. The Ebionites are listed as well and in that section Ebionites hold that Paul was of a Greek mother and father, wanted to marry Popea, a daughter of Caiaphas, adopted Judaism, was circumcised and rejected by the girl. On reading it, I wondered if Caiaphas was created later as a villain and the whole Christ trial & execution was entirely a Roman deal. Maybe it was just Pilate & Paul who knew Mark gave him the story. Mark is supposedly a disciple of Peter but there is no mention of them together. Barnabas, his uncle, is linked to Peter and only vaguely.
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Correct; they date back to sometime in the Second Century BCE.
ACTUALLY THE TRUE FOLLOWERS OF YESHUAH EBIONITES SAW HIM AS PROPHET NOT A DIVINE GOD, AND BASED IN TORAH TORAH MORAL MITZVAH IS FOR EVERYONE EVEN FOR GOYM NO JEWISH, GREEK NEW TESTAMENT IS EUROPEAN MADE EVEN NAZARINES DIDNT ANTHING TO DO WITH IT.
IM A FORMER CHRISTIAN FOR OVER 35 YEARS AND CHRISTIAN MINISTER, BUT THE ANCESTOS WHO END THE LIFE OF THE JESUS WAS TERMINATED BY THE ANCESTORS OF CHRISTIANITYTHE EUROPEAN, AN THE BEST PROOF IS GREEK NEW TESTAMENT, ONE MORE TIME GREEK NEW TESTAMENT, NOT HEBEW TESTAMENT, THE HEBREW LANGUAGE WAS BOTH THE NATIONAL AND RELIGIOUS LANGUAGE OF FIRST CENTURY ISRAEL NOT GREEK, THE GREEK LANGUAGE WAS HATED IN THAT TIME, AND THE COMMON LANGUAGE NOT RELIGIOUS LANGUAGE WAS ARAMAIC, JEUS/YESHUAH I NIT THE THE TRUE PROPHET YESHUAH, BUT GECORROMAN GOD JESUS,HA SATAN INVENTION, EVIL INCARNATED.
ESSENES WERE NOT EXACTLY BEFORE, THEY WERE CONVERTED BY YESHUAH TIME..
It appears that Jesus was a Jew from the Middle East and he was an outstanding person and teacher of Jewish law. And little did he had to do anything about Christianity. I think Mr. Paul infused Jewish monotheism with Roman paganism to attract the pagans to his cult. It's my humble opinion, not to offend anyone but to encourage critical thinking.
He definitely had a lot to do with Christianity. Also what infusion did Paul put? All Paul advocated was that Gentiles do not have to keep the “works” of the Mosaic law. What we would call the “ceremonial” law today. Circumcision, Sabbaths, Sacrifices, Food observances etc. The “moral” law stood firm and was expanded on by Jesus and was preached by Paul. Non of this nonsense of “faith alone” saves, Paul never in his wildest dreams thought faith was merely mental affirmation of Jesus, faith was intertwined with works for him just not “works of the law”.
@@youngknowledgeseeker but the Paulinists added their own ceremonialism. Sacraments, the Rosary where you pray to Mary more times than to God(Hail Mary is recited more times than Glory Be)
@@demonking86420 where lol .dont lie
This has been the best video content that I've seen of yours so far, in about 20 videos. I respect how much respect you have to historical accuracy, as well as your fair and balanced approach to answering these questions.
It seems Christianity could benefit from regaining some of the Ebionite ideology.
I believe Jesus was a Jew and firmly rooted in the Jewish faith and culture. When asked by the disciples " who should lead when you have gone?" he told them go to my brother James, he will be your leader. There was no question of creating a new religion. The majority of Jesus's followers were all Jews and would go on to follow their religion. Their leader was a Jew who followed the laws of Judaism, there wasn't any need to change. It is likely that they held him to be a Messiah but at the same time fully human.
He came for that which was lost, the lost tribes of Israel. Ezekiel’s prophesy of the 2 sticks & the dry bones
Thank you for that all-encompassing lecture. It was amazing and so full of information.
Shalom dear rabbi my brother,
At present times there are some sects in Christianity who keep law still they believe in Jesus christ sacrifice.
And they do not believe in trinity but in oness of God Yehwah
Unitarian Christian
YHWH Witness
Missianic Christian
Tovia is right in 90%...Ebionites and Nazarenes (per the Panarion of Epiphanius) believed that Jesus was born of Mary and Joseph, and that he was the adopted Son of God at his Baptism, and that Jesus insisted on obedience to the Torah (oral Torah), and that he replaced the sacrificial system with water baptism for the remission of sin.
Oral Torah? Where did you get this?
@@brenosantana1458 Thanks for the reply...
Specifically....From the Clementine Literature...
Homily Book 3: Chapter 47: The foreknowledge of Moses.
To this Peter answered; “The Torah of God was given by Moses, without writing, to seventy wise men, to be handed down, so that the government might be carried on by succession. But after Moses was taken up, it was written down by someone, but not by Moses. For in the law itself, it is written; “And Moses died, and they buried him near the house of Phogor, and no one knows his sepulcher till this day.” But how could Moses write that Moses died? And after about 500 years or thereabouts after the time after Moses, it was found lying in the temple which was built, and after another 500 years, it was carried away, and being burnt in the time of Nebuchadnezzar it was destroyed, and thus being written after Moses, and often lost, even this shows the foreknowledge of Moses, because he, foreseeing its disappearance, did not write it, but those who wrote it, being convicted of ignorance through their not foreseeing its disappearance, were not prophets.”
This is the very same reason that there are no books written by Jesus.
Define law ? - the law of Moses was corrupted from the original and Paul is false.
Ebionite was a derogatory term for the true disciples who were neither Jews or Christians
@@malcolmdavid722
You asked: "Define law ?"
My reply: Torah is more defined as "instruction" and not so much as Law. "Instruction" is a positive term and "Law" is more of a negative term.
You said; " - the law of Moses was corrupted from the original and Paul is false."
My reply: I agree with that statement.
You said: "Ebionite was a derogatory term for the true disciples who were neither Jews or Christians".
My reply: I will disagree with that somewhat. Ebionites were true Jews as being part of the Nazarene sect of Judaism (Nazarenes being one of the 7 sects of Judaism at the time of the Apostles). Epiphanius in the Panarion (as you may already know) goes into detail on both.
@@thenazareneperspective2734 Good points ! But re your last para:
Some were indeed Yehudim, but clearly not all, as some may have been either from other dispersed lost tribes (thus not of Judah/Yehudim) and or Roman, and or gentile converts. So in that sense they were not ‘all Jews’ and we should be more accurate.
Whilst they were indeed one of the sects in those days, I do not consider them part of Judaism either (which is a different religion) as they did not read just the 24 ‘public’ books of the Jewish Tanahk “for the worthy and the unworthy” but also read and knew the 70 ‘hidden’ books “for the wise amongst the people”held exclusively at the 2nd temple, with 2 copies at Alexandria, plus the scroll copies at Dameshek/Qumran.
Hence Mat 22:23 and Mark 12:18 Messiah castigating them for not knowing the scripture of Toviyahu (which was one of the hidden 70)
Thus they were not an offshoot of Judah-ism, which conducted animal sacrifice and it is more the case that Judaism was the one departing from the ancient Hebraic truth as recorded by Jude in 41ad “go back to the faith once delivered unto the Patriarchs” ie go and read ALL 94 Hebrew books not just the 24 which Rome later recounted as the OT39.
Equally I would disagree with the term ‘apostles’ which was first introduced and first stated by ha Satan that he would “send HIS apostles to deceive mankind” where by contrast Yeshua had ‘disciples’ who followed his teaching to the very letter, not make up their own doctrine and version of the truth
These 2 terms have of course been muddled up, misused and mistranslated ever since…..
Ebionites was a derogatory term for the vegetable eating Tzadokite Issayim, Essenoi (Greek) Essene (English) who did not eat dead flesh, conduct animal sacrifice and read ALL the 94 Hebrew scriptures not just the 24 public books, some with Greek names.
But don’t worry 2Ws are coming soon to correct this mess. Blessings
They have certainly disbelieved who say, “Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary” while the Messiah has said, “O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.” Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers. (Surah 5:72)
Islam got it right!
@@gabrielleangelica1977 lol they didnt . muslims believes in vrigin birth while ebionites didn't
Rabbi singer is correct. He read Matthew and was totally correct. The only way for "your righteousness to exceed that of the pharisees and the scribes" would mean a believer would have to know the written Torah by heart like a scribe and would need to know all the oral law like a pharisee would. Yeshua would appear offensively Jewish to modern Christians. If anything he started Hasadut not Christianity!
I disagree. Jesus taught adherence to the Law given to Moses by God. He rebuked the pharisees for their adherence to the Talmud, aka Rabbinical tradition. The Talmud was given from man to man. But the Law was given to Moses by God.
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Jesus also was in a few disagreements with Moses because he new that Moses
Gave in to the evil spirit a few times.....this is the true reason the devil wanted the body of Moses.
Well, what else does it take? Oh let me guess, a relationship with Paul!
Ok, so what does that have to do with Christ's righteousness?!
Yeshua actually pointed all the way back to Genesis. When he pointed out that Moses had allowed/modified Yahs law. When he allowed them to unlawfully divorce due to the hardest of their hearts/minds. Have to take it back to the original Genesis Basics. Before animals were APART of the human diet. As Man moved futher away from the original truth & way of life. More rules/laws/regulations were added as a result
If you want to follow an example, treat everyone with the care and respect David gave Saul.
Rabbi you are a gem! Love your vids with Dr Robert Price.
I would love to hear your thoughts on Gnostics.
ACTUALLY THE TRUE FOLLOWERS OF YESHUAH EBIONITES SAW HIM AS PROPHET NOT A DIVINE GOD, AND BASED IN TORAH TORAH MORAL MITZVAH IS FOR EVERYONE EVEN FOR GOYM NO JEWISH, GREEK NEW TESTAMENT IS EUROPEAN MADE EVEN NAZARINES DIDNT ANTHING TO DO WITH IT.
IM A FORMER CHRISTIAN FOR OVER 35 YEARS AND CHRISTIAN MINISTER, BUT THE ANCESTOS WHO END THE LIFE OF THE JESUS WAS TERMINATED BY THE ANCESTORS OF CHRISTIANITYTHE EUROPEAN, AN THE BEST PROOF IS GREEK NEW TESTAMENT, ONE MORE TIME GREEK NEW TESTAMENT, NOT HEBEW TESTAMENT, THE HEBREW LANGUAGE WAS BOTH THE NATIONAL AND RELIGIOUS LANGUAGE OF FIRST CENTURY ISRAEL NOT GREEK, THE GREEK LANGUAGE WAS HATED IN THAT TIME, AND THE COMMON LANGUAGE NOT RELIGIOUS LANGUAGE WAS ARAMAIC, JEUS/YESHUAH I NIT THE THE TRUE PROPHET YESHUAH, BUT GECORROMAN GOD JESUS,HA SATAN INVENTION, EVIL INCARNATED.
Would it be possible that the Dead Sea Scrolls were written by Ebionites? James brother of J was known as James the Just - which is a phrase the Dead Sea Scrolls name - Would James be an Ebionite?
Very interesting. I want to dig up and read all the early Christian writings I can. I want to find out for myself just how reflective the Ebionites were of James and the early church. Because I find it hard to believe that the early church, as a whole, including their pillars (James, Peter, etc) denounced Paul and yet we just have absolutely almost no record of it. Obviously some people are just going to comment “oh because they just buried an destroyed all the letters opposing him”, I mean...maybe...but boy will the evidence need to be there for that.
In Acts and Galatians we do see that there were 100% Jews who HATED Paul, and disagreed with him, but never ALL of them and never the major leading figures like James or Peter. However this is merely one account and one arguably biased toward Paul. I am wondering just how solidly scholars think the Ebionites represent in full “original” Christianity...
Edit: In the same way, generally, people don't think Marcion represented Paul, I hesitate to let the Ebionites represent James.
I think it was in the Pseudo Clementines or the Homilies where Peter is on record of reading Paul the riot act after Paul "opposed Peter to his face."
And in Acts James has Paul pay for the fulfillment of some brothers' vows and he starts out fully compliant, but then we hear of Paul bringing a gentile into the Jews only area of the Temple, Paul is evicted and excommunicated, and the Romans have to save him from an angry mob. We hear nothing of James after that. I wonder why? 🤔
Paul was Herodian. He was a liar and fool of hope. A heathen. Burn his letters. Aban or Peter did not write 1 and 2 Peter btw. Paul faked his conversion and YA'OHshai warned to not listen to someone who says they saw him in wilderness... Plus Paul cant even keep his story correct about his fake conversion. Paul was an OP for dem Romans. No one dies for your sins too. Burn Paul's letters.
"why isn't there evidence of the church denouncing Paul before they accepted his teachings?"
"The church burned the letters so as to not seem as if god's organization can change its mind, which implies that it was wrong about something, which would be bad for it's reputation"
"There's going to need to be evidence for that."
"...they deliberately destroyed it, so they wouldn't look bad"
"Yeah but there needs to be evidence of that"
"They have a history of destroying artifacts, people, and books that disagree with their teachings"
"Is there evidence of that?"
"Multiple historical accounts."
"I mean real evidence. Where are the ashes?"
"Where are the ashes from things burned thousands of years ago?"
"Yes."
The answer is found in clement homilies (roberts donaldson ed) Paul was the chief apostle of satan who first used that moniker for his apostates, today the term has been muddled with disciples
Peter and James never agreed with Paul who led people astray onto the false wide path which is only realised once the truth is understood. Paulicans will also suffer in the tribulation as they have no defence mechanism
Wow 4 replies all deleted. Utube #1 in war against free speech.
Kudos Rabbi Singer, a very good & truthful synopsis of the Ebionites. One small point maybe I disagree with: many if not most historians have come to the conclusion that early on the Ebionites & Nazarenes were the same group only divided by location. Later on they split over the virgin birth issue, the Nazarenes adopted the Orthodox belief whereas the Ebionites maintained a strictly adoptionist Christology.
That's right. I would go so far as to say that the Nazarenes of later times were not the nazarenes of the first century. Acts says Paul was a "ringleader" of the nazarene sect. The nazarenes were originally probably, gentiles and hellenist jews. Ebionites were closer to the truth.
@@MinisterRedPill I give little credence to most of the so called new testament, some of it maybe based on the original Gospels(Ebionites, Nazarenes & Hebrews all had their own Gospel in Aramaic or Hebrew) so I would attest the Orthodox were boosting Paul's notoriety in Acts. All of the original Gospels were sought out & burnt along with whoever possessed such scripture by the Orthodox after Nicene, when the Ebionites were declared the worst of all heretics. Paul was considered a false prophet by the Ebionites, likely the reason he avoided Jerusalem
As a Calligrapher, when he mentions the manuscripts were being copied onto Vellum at 17:05 I was truly impressed. The Rabbi really does know his stuff!
@NAA Apologist exactly. I'm a working class nobody from London, and I know that too.
Nodding... 😊
They all converted to Islam that’s why you never hear about them anymore… but if you read between the lines, they are here still 😅
@@gabrielleangelica1977islam is the final testament
@@tajamulislam3879 false testament more likely
@desolat3264 no they didn't otherwise why would they claim Isa "had no father"?
In this respect tovia is correct although I don't like his moral attacks on jesus , he is correct that early jewish followers of jesus did not all believe jesus was the son of god perse !ebionites ,nazarenes,etc..although some might have !
Agreed 💯
Rabbi again your criticism of Christianity is spot on, but you fail to apply the same standards to yourself. Jewish faith changed immensely in its long history and still does today.
He stated that he was showing that Messianic Jews are told that they're adopting a Chritianity similar to what was present in the First Century, but they're not. He's talking about actual church history. He's debunking Messianic Christianity.
I agree, he also questions Jesus existence yet he believes Moses existed despite 0 evidence (less so then the evidence for Jesus existence)
What about Microsoft Quill?.
Bart Hermann has a great book that talks about the various sects. It's called Lost Christianities
Error-man is a Pauline. He goes after apostles, Luke, anybody who is not Paul or makes Paul stupid
They rejected Paul, but Paul also rejected some of Jesus teachings (following Moses laws, keeping Sabbath day, Circumcision eating of Pork etc....)
Also, the Ebionites and Nazarenes were accepted sects of Judaism at that time, again per Epiphanius.
Accepted? How do you get that from the Panarion? It’s a list of 80 heresies.
@@cheryldeboissiere1851 Thanks for the reply, and you are the only one who has ever noted that there were that many "heretical" heresies. If I may ask, to what (if any) religious belief do you belong? If you are a Pauline Christian, then the teachings of the Nazarene/Ebionites would be heresy. If you are a Jew, the Nazarenes/Ebionites were sects of Judaism....which again would be heretical sects to Paulinists.
Epiphanius was a defender of Paulinism (Christianity)....so, anything he had researched and deemed to be a heresy, then anything he had to write (which was a lot) in regard to the 7 sects of Judaism and in particular, Nazarene Judaism, would instead be true.
So, I ask again, what religion do you associate with? It helps to know from what perspective you are looking at this.
@@cheryldeboissiere1851 Every reputable sect of Judaism would be heresy to a Pauline Christian.
According to Bart Ehrman, half the Ebionites believed in Jesus' virgin birth and half didn't
Virgin birth is a pagan idea thrown into the story. look at the origins of Romulus and Remus. It was added in to help convert Romans/Greeks
Funny how people listen to others yet don't hear what they say. If Bart understood correctly as I bet he did, then he would know the Nazarenes & Ebionites agreed on mostly everything except the virgin birth. This is why the so called church fathers called the Ebionites the worst of all Heretics.
@@xxredjayxx that is what I believe after decades of serious study. Sadly all the text of the Ebionites was sought after & destroyed by the Orthodox. Not to mention all Ebionite leaders were at first exiled & later killed. The Ebionites did not just fade away, they were declared the worst heretics and put down like sick animals. This is the #1 reason for leaving my faith in Christianity.
@@xxredjayxx don’t invent an idea out of your ass. The Ebionites who were strict in following the teachings of Jesus and disassociated themselves so strictly from Paul and believed that Jesus preached only to Isrealites, have literally NO reason to invent this. Most importantly not from the pagan polytheists whom they saw as filthy.
@@robbielee2148 some survived in the Middle East til the 10 century some say but was absorbed into Islam and it’s said this is the type of Christian Muhammad encountered in Arabia thus is why he said the Christians were monotheist because how they viewed Jesus is the same exact way Muslims view Jesus because if Muhammed encountered catholic Pauline Christianity it would’ve viewed it as polytheism and would’ve sought to destroy and violently suppress it
There were Ebionites who accepted the Virgin birth. These were the true ones that were in Arabia that the Prophet Muhammad's wife Khadijah belonged.:
Bromiley, Geoffrey W (1982), International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, E-J, p. 9, "Origen was the first to distinguish between two types of Ebionites theologically: those who believed in the Virgin Birth and those who rejected it"
THE FORMATION OF THE EARLY CHURCH by Jostein Adna
(The Ebionites Use of the Gospel of the Hebrews) - Page 269
Following Origen(Cels 5:61) Eusebius makes a distinction between the two kinds of Ebionites: One group denied the virgin birth and others did not. When describing the latter group Eusebius notes that, despite the fact that they accepted the Virgin Birth, they were still heretics especially because they were zealous in observing the law and because they rejected the letters of Paul,calling him Apostate.....
I stopped when I saw filth: "Prophet Muhammad".
@@sapphyx26 You mean a man that preached what the prophets of the old testament taught. There is a reason many religious Jews would prefer to pray in a mosque than to even step foot in a church.
I enjoy your insight Sir.
its always true that history is written by the winners. James The Brother of Jesus - Leader of the Apostles - Leader of the EBIONITES was declared heretics by Greek convert of Paul.
Yet all the gospels, letters, acts, and revelations werre written by greeks 😂 so calling paul a greek convert yet not acknowledging that everything was written in koine Greek is foolish
Paul of tarsus was a crazy.
Enjoyed this history on the Ebionites.
Dawn Van Naam this Jew is lair
Ah beautiful. 😔 Notice he didn't say, "He is a liar." It needed to be"Jew." Happy to see religion purifying hearts and minds around the world.
informative verse
Revelation 14:12
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
I guess Islam teaches mostly the same as what these Ebionites did
@Zengine LOL Source and evidence please?
mista haych i just love how these guys just say anything based on assumptions 😂
No, the Muslims believe in the Virgin birth.
@Aaliyah Powell Ebionites followed the true message of Jesus. What people follow now is a corruption.
Muslims believe in the virgin birth. And don’t believe in the death of Jesus or that he died for the sins of man.
We do not know what the Ebionites believed... We only know what they did NOT believe.
Test the clementine literature.
Test the psylosybin mushrooms.
You will know for yourself what they believe.
" if they eat of the fruit of thr tree of knowledge, they shall become as gods and know the difference between right and wrong"
Probably not the exact wording of the quote. But close enough.
Mind blowing.
Would 'Ebionite' or 'Nazarene' relate to Jesus as 'Jesus of Nazareth'?
I think it's more like Jesus the Nazorean (Brancher) because archeologists have dug up evidence that Nazareth was just a small hamlet or even a single family farm.
Thank you Rabbi...........
There is argument that the remnants of Ebionite beliefs can be seen in Islam. Muhammad had interaction with Ebionite tribes in northern Arabia and repackaged their faith as Islam.
The ebionotes were following true teachings of Jesus not the corrupt Trinity concept.
Islam is the final testament 💯
Thank you so much dear rabbi!!
Islam is pretty much a return of Ebionites.
They copied us that’s all
Islam is the last testament
Islam is just a pile of copy-paste bits..
Rabbi Tovia Singer ROCKS!!!
Thank you so very mush. You are such a great teacher.
You are getting too mushy.
@@johnb1877: Hey, finally a comment of yours I can give a thumbs up to! I see what you did there!
Lorene Rae Ward this guy is Jew who believe Jesus is bastards second the Ebionites were people who believe Jesus was a prophet he wasn’t the son of god or a godhead the Ebionites were people who were Christians but were following Jewish law the Jewish leaders or the Jewish elders who had problem with them because they were following the law of Moses when Jesus came he criticise the Jews for leaving the mosaic law and for following Jewish elders this made the Jews scorn Jesus because he accuse them of leaving the commandments of god now since Jesus was the last of the Israelite prophets and he heavily criticised them this made the Jews plan to kill Jesus but god saved him since the Jews had killed many prophets which god send to them they weren’t going to tolerate Jesus the Ebionites were considered as heretic because they the followed the law of Moses and followed Jesus this made the Jesus elder 😡 at them
@@NaseerAhmed-sc5bl * Again, there is the assumption that the "New Testament" is factual. Read what it actually says and not what you pastors and imams say that it says. You will start to see the truth. You will eventually understand the real message of the Hebrew Bible if you don't falter. So many times people assume that what other's say is honest and he is a trustworthy person who is deligent at his studies. Carefully proceed in your search for honesty and truth!
@@NaseerAhmed-sc5bl * Misinformation.
I appreciate Rabbi Tovia's ability to teach and explain these "sects" -- I also trust his overall "take."
@@maxprescott9371 It's because the churches today are established on falsehoods. Such the trinity doctrine, partipating in celebrations of Christmas and Easter. What's mind boggling is Christians know these things are pagan and have no Biblical foundation.
@@maxprescott9371he does
Thank you
Without getting into a time machine and travelling back to that time but most scholars agree that Christianity as it is generally understood, began as a rejection of the Jewish Temple and a movement in its own direction. Were the Essenes influential, or perhaps the school that was possibly started by the author of the Book of Sirach (found in most compilations of the Jewish Apocrypha)? What cannot be disputed is the presence of the Roman Empire and its Hellenistic influences, cast a long shadow over the region!
Pulsar Stargrave Jesus was the last of the Israelite prophets the Jews had never likes the prophet of god and many they had murdered them with there own hand 🖐 now here comes Jesus who criticised the Jewish elders for leaving the commandments of god and trying to change the law of Moses this brought scorn to Jesus by Jewish elders they then hatched a plan to murder him and god saved him the Ebionites were Christian who followed the mosaic law Ie the law of Moses and they said Jesus is prophet not the son of god or godhead the Jewish elders saw the Ebionites as threat because they weren’t Jewish second because they were following the law Moses and they followed Jesus the Jewish religion has always been about to protect Jewish identity so they considered Ebionites to be heretic and they murder them as well
There was a high priest problem in those days. The Romans deposed the high priest Annas and replaced him. A lot of Jews felt that being high priest was a life time appointment and did not accept the Romans appointment of a replacement. In effect, there were two high priests. This situation had to be awkward. Let me add that even though a High Priest wanted the execution of Jesus, there is an littleun mentioned text of the Clementine who lived in Rome and is sometimes thought of as a early Pope. When asked by Christians if they can do sacrifices, he told them that if you really wanted to do them, then arrange for the High Priest in Jerusalem to sacrifice a dove for you. That implies that respect for the High Priesthood lingered somewhat until the destruction of the temple.
What do you think about the connection between the essenes / early christians and mushrooms (the fruit of the tree of knowledge)?
@@theman4445 There were lots of movements back then, on the mystical level as well as the political. I haven't heard too many stories about the influence of BUDDHISM and other religions from the east and I think many scholars overlook them! I assume that comes from Western chauvinism but I could be wrong!
Many buddhists think jesus was a reincarnation of the buddha.
I have also read of links between the buddhists and the druiduc religions of europe. Which were then incorporated into christianity. Alistair crowleys book on yoga mentioned the same idea also.
And there us definately a connectiom between hunduism, buddhism and altered states if conciouness. Wheather through austerities, meditations or comsumption.
The first time you eat the mushrooms. All the religious art will make much more sense and i felt that i could see their inspiration in a way i never did before.
Liberty caps.
The fruit of the tree of knowledge
What about the Nazarenes (James, Peter, John, Paul and apostles.)? The Nazarenes were Jesus' sect. They were distinctive only in their belief that Jesus was Messiah. If modern "Christians" returned to the Nazarene faith and kept Torah, Sabbath, food laws etc. Then the "10 Lost Tribes" of Israel would in effect no longer be lost. Ezekial's "Dry Bones" prophecy would come to pass. Please advise.
No it wouldn't come to pass the way the modern "Christians" preach it. The reason that they didn't last is that they saw that the prophecies that they attributed to "Jesus" were false! The generation that were with him saw with their own eyes that he was not coming back before they died. The Temple prophecy was false too. There are still stones standing of the second Temple (almost 2000 years after that was written down as Scripture.)
All that Jesus said is true.
Jesus said that He is the Truth= Torah, The Way= Torah, and the Life=Torah. . End time remnant will be those who have the faith of Jesus and guard the commandments of God. Rev 14:12 I believe!
If you actually take your time with Paul/Shaul, you will see he advocated learning and keeping Torah. He saw the Law of Sin and Death(like the law of gravity) as something bad. And that Yeshuas actions rescued people from the charges set against them when they are sincerely repetitive or just unlearned. This is why he took the nazarite vows and why he circumcised his pupil. This is why he was zealous while he believed the false witnesses and why he was zealous after he stopped believing the false reports. People took his letters out of context to justify the things he tried teaching against.
Recommended reading: scholar Thielman
What is use when he say that it’s not necessary to follow and doesn’t make a difference?well according to you Christians doesn’t matter what a Christian do he commits murder,rape lie steal it doesn’t matter because you think Jesus the messiah died for your sins how stupid and Ironic
That therein is the problem. The law is our life blood. It is the good Yeshua was trying to restore.
Yeshua was the last prophet, the last one to restore torah.
Paul was alive during the time of the men that walked with Yeshua. Why do we need him?
False. Paul was corrected in acts 21 by james and the elders for teaching against the laws. He went through a evolution. He really was teaching against torah at first
@@287_shaikhmustafa7 this just proves you have no idea what the Bible says
Often, I don't agree with the Rabbi's ultimate conclusions, but hot damn... the guy is FAR more educated in church history than the vast majority of folks who make a living inside the Christian Church (whatever facet). Nice work. Bravo.
*ACTUALLY THE TRUE FOLLOWERS OF YESHUAH EBIONITES SAW HIM AS PROPHET NOT A DIVINE GOD, AND BASED IN TORAH TORAH MORAL MITZVAH IS FOR EVERYONE EVEN FOR GOYM NO JEWISH, GREEK NEW TESTAMENT IS EUROPEAN MADE EVEN NAZARINES DIDNT ANTHING TO DO WITH IT.
IM A FORMER CHRISTIAN FOR OVER 35 YEARS AND CHRISTIAN MINISTER, BUT THE ANCESTOS WHO END THE LIFE OF THE JESUS WAS TERMINATED BY THE ANCESTORS OF CHRISTIANITYTHE EUROPEAN, AN THE BEST PROOF IS GREEK NEW TESTAMENT, ONE MORE TIME GREEK NEW TESTAMENT, NOT HEBEW TESTAMENT, THE HEBREW LANGUAGE WAS BOTH THE NATIONAL AND RELIGIOUS LANGUAGE OF FIRST CENTURY ISRAEL NOT GREEK, THE GREEK LANGUAGE WAS HATED IN THAT TIME, AND THE COMMON LANGUAGE NOT RELIGIOUS LANGUAGE WAS ARAMAIC, JEUS/YESHUAH I NIT THE THE TRUE PROPHET YESHUAH, BUT GECORROMAN GOD JESUS,HA SATAN INVENTION, EVIL INCARNATED* .
You're right the apostle James protected the Ebionites or at least Ebionite THINKING Christians In the church in Jerusalem. After the Romans destroyed Jerusalem the Ebionites we're scattered and disappeared into history. But maybe Mohammed talked to some and they preached the OT to him and a non trinitarian Jesus.
Jo Hino; some scholars believe that small groups of Ebionites survived in Arabia & that these Torah observant followers of Jesus influenced Mohammed’s view of who Jesus was.
bb1111116 their is no proof of that lol, why are you guys so adamant to disprove Islam. We were right after all. The early Christians even knew that Jesus was not God.
Yes, if the original earliest Christians, lead by Jesus' brother James (James would know his brother and his teachings) for 30 years never believed that Jesus was the son of God, divine, born of a virgin, died for our sins, etc., then it should make one wonder where these ideas came from and every Christian should ask themselves the same question. The answer would be ROME and it's pagan beliefs. It's very sad that Christians do not know their own history, if they did, most would not be Christian today, but those described as the "strangers" in Isaiah 56 who take hold of His (the Most High's) covenant and join themselves to the Most High (most also do not even know what the covenant is).
M. Ruth; 1. Where did the ideas of the divine Jesus come from? * The letters of Paul & the books in the New Testament with the name John associated with them. 2. Where did the virgin birth come from? * The additions to Mark in Matthew & Luke.
Actually some group of Ebionites believed in the virgin birth.
He is the son of God, but not in a trinitarian way.
Rabbi, you offered about 5 minutes of excellent information. I had to mine it from mostly unfocused rambling.
1st century Ebionites believed Jesus died for your sins? Where is the source for that?
I knew there had to hv been an Iao dodo head in the comments
They probably didn't beleive in substitutionary atonement according to wikipedia
@@3wolfsdown702
So Christ was born 5 yrs b4 Christ ... 👌🏾🆗️
Rabbi have you considered how much less food there would we were not allowed to cross-breed animals I'm speaking as a gardener sometimes very good idea put two shades in one whole
Somehow, I suspect that Ignatius of Antioch and the other Apostolic Fathers would disagree that the Ebionites were the first Christians. They certainly were the first heretics being a continuation of the Judaizer faction that disagreed with the counsel of Jerusalem in Acts 15. I do agree that Christianity is a leap from Judaism as Christ said on another topic, "Mark 2:22, And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the wine will burst the skins, and both the wine and the wineskins will be ruined. Instead, new wine is poured into new wineskins."
I cant find the book against the jews. Can someone point me to where i can find it.
Rabbi - Tovia
I Have One Question
Please.
Please Answe Me from
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Question is That - The Muslim
Womens Dont Pray & fasting durring The
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This is not in Quran.
Quran & Menstruation ?
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Please people think a little bit. The concept of Messiah is a JEWISH concept it comes from a Hebrew word Mashiach and it has clear conditions for someone to be the Messiah, that person needs to meet ALL of those conditions . You can not just come and completely destroy that and re-invent the concept and say Jesus was the Messiah just because Christianity says so. Jesus does not meet ANY of the requirements. Please look it up . As much as it may frustrate Christians, Jesus was JEW he was not a Christian , he never was and he never will be and so you can't interpret who Messiah was, based on Christian interpretations. That's like someone coming and inventing a sandwich and calling it "pizza" and saying that pizza is now going to be a sandwich going forward, No, it simply isn't. Otherwise, nothing would make sense, anyone could come up with any idea and change all definitions of things and there would be chaos... Please look up what Messiah conditions have to be met in Judaism, learn something and not just follow up like sheep what they tell you. It is unreal to me that Christians venerate a Jew as their God , yet know NOTHING about Judaism
I don't understand what you're trying to say
Who HE is. I AM Big difference is that Josiah was an ACTUAL physical descendant of David.....that is what made him a king, not "following" David's example. And jesus isn't a physical descendant of David.....according to even the NT.
yes, that's what I'm saying, that Jesus did NOT meet the requirements to be the Messiah
Guillermo Del Solar Agreed.
Marcus Maddox If Joseph isn't his father....he has no connection to David whatsoever.
...Thanks for the info... What did the "sect of the Nazarenes" believe?...
Islam
@@Kakeshii Uhh, No, Wrong!... Keep searching it out! ; )
@@Kakeshii Islam 1.0 not Muhammad's nonsense
Ebionites make the most sense
Agree
As a Unitarian that leans Noahide, I guess you can call me a modern day Ebionite...
Islam!
@@gabrielleangelica1977 Ebionites didn't believe that Jesus's miraculous born. Not Islam. Sect of Ancient Jews.
Your lectures are always illuminate our understanding
By the way
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. could you please tell what's this song your show always ends with..
It's soothing to listen to this
I am glad you enjoyed it. It is Adon Olam, "Sovereign of the Universe." Send me a request for the song at toviasinger1@aol.com. I'll be glad to send it to you. It is copyright free.
Tovia Singer I sent you an email. I too enjoy that song.
Yes Rabbi Singer is such a great teacher.
The Ebionites did not give any creedence to Paul. They believed he was a false apostle. That's why they were erased from Christianity.
Paul was false apostle
@@tajamulislam3879again wrong
Completely degrading Paul is foolish considering that you can use his letters to prove biblical unutarianism
Where there Ebionites living in Medina at the time of Mohammed?
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Muhammad ﷺ couldn’t even read or write his own name and didn’t tell a single lie in 40 years prior to his Prophethood - 2 facts grudgingly attested by even his fiercest enemies.
The Ebionites and early Christians were the true followers of Jesus.
Abrahamic (non trinity) Monotheism and belief that Jesus was the Messiah
Today their equivalent are the Muslims
The closest christians at the time were “arian” christians in persia. FAR away from mecca/madina
Peace Fulness
Yes a ‘false prophet’ who singlehandedly dug an entire pagan nation out of the dark grave of 360 statue god idolatry to pure Abrahamic Monotheism
Yes a ‘false prophet’ who has been responsible for bringing more former pagans worldwide to pure Old Testament 1st Commandment Abrahamic Monotheism than all the other ‘true’ prophets combined.
A ‘false prophet’ who has eradicated and vanquished more idolatry and statue worship worldwide than all the other ‘true’ prophets combined.
Even Jews grudgingly admit that Muslims are 100% Monotheists and are the only people along with them who worship the same God as them without idolatry or association (shutfus/shirk)
Therefore even Jews are forced to admit that 99.9% of the people today who worship the true God with true non idolatrous belief are people who follow a ‘false prophet’ - 👏
Amphy Con
The entire New Testament canon was formulated by followers of Paul - the self declared ‘13th apostle’
The Book of Acts was most probably written by the physician of Paul so is NOT an impartial account of events as the writer is Paul’s friend writing THEIR side of the story.
It’s funny how all the epistles of Paul survived but none of the detailed writings of James the Just and his followers and any writings of the original apostles have survived.
The 4 gospel authors are unknown and written in the 3rd person (non eyewitness accounts). And a lot of the letters and books of the New Testament have been forged under names of apostles by other authors as Bart Ehrman has clearly proved in his book ‘Forged’
It’s a shame Jesus was such a poor incompetent teacher during his ministry that he had to return in a vision to a brute of a Jew who was killing Christians 5 minutes ago - and then appoint him the ‘13th apostle’ after his ascension to heaven and make this 13th apostle author the majority of the New Testament 🤔
"For the moment my only belief is that nothing ought to be believed with-out good reason, and that what is believed without good reason is that which is believed without knowledge of its origin: and I must with the best of reasons approach this inquiry with uneasiness when I find one affirmed to be an apostle [Paul], of whom in the list of the apostles in the gospel I find no trace. So when I am told that he was subsequently promoted by our Lord, by now at rest in heaven, I find some lack of foresight in the fact that Christ did not know beforehand that he would have need of him, but after setting in order the office of apostleship and sending them out upon their duties, considered it necessary, on an impulse and not by deliberation, to add another, by compulsion so to speak and not by design" - Tertullian
Bring me a SINGLE trinitarian from the first 2 centuries after Jesus. A SINGLE statement outlining the doctrine from the first 2 centuries from anyone - open challenge
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So All the 'heresies' of people denying Jesus's divinity kept coming and regularly resurfacing from the actual areas where Jesus lived and preached and walked and the Holy Land (Syria/Palestine) and all the 'pure' teachings of Jesus were rigrouously defended and remained in Rome and Europe with the Gentiles??? This is totally absurd!
John Toland comments on this unsettling predicament in his book 'The Nazarenes'
“Since the Nazarenes or Ebionites are by ALL the church historians unanimously acknowledged to have been the first Christians, or those who believed in Christ among the Jews with which, his own people, he lived and died, they having been the witness of his actions, and of whom were ALL the Apostles, considering this, I say how was it possible for them to be the first out of all others (for they were the first to be made heretics), who should form wrong conceptions of the doctrines and designs of Jesus?
And how did the Gentiles who believed in Jesus much later after his death by the preachings of persons that never knew him get truer notions of these things, and where could they have got their information from if not from these believing Jews (Nazarenes)?”
- John Toland - ‘The Nazarenes’
My response to the above statement: Yes! Exactly! From where indeed????
James the brother of the lord in his writings says his father Joseph, was a widow and was 84 and Mary was 14 and that he was not the father of Jesus. His sons James, Jude, John etc were then older sons from his first marriage and not the direct blood brothers of Jesus.
Jesus never said he was God. So much has been added and changed its often difficult to know, but James was the leader of the early church and would have know the truth more than anyone being directly involved.
Ebionites believed the 10 Commandments of God were valid forever, but not the laws of Moses which had been fulfilled, some also followed the Nazerite Law.
Today the definition of what is 'the law' is very muddled and not specific.
That Gospel was not written by James.
good information, but the contradiction needs to be addressed: how could the ebonites be vegetarian, and also practice animal sacrifice. The two ideas contradict each other. My guess is that the ebonites did not see animal sacrifice as part of christianity, but there were Jews who were not ebonies who held on to old beliefs.
The only time I will ever agree with Tovia. I myself a major of biblical studies consider myself an Ebionite.
So, why is it with all the information that is available, knowing the letter J , came into (English) language In The 17th century, that folks refuse to acknowledge a Hebrews name , that was born in Israel , before the common era, as in Yashua. I mean really, if a Israeli can't acknowledge His birth name, How are you supposed to separate from the True Messiah, and a false Messiah?
The Ebionites and their messiah were Jews.
Why do you and others refer to the Ebionites as Christians?
The Ebionites were established before one of the first Jewish-Christian schisms initiated by Simon Magus (the human basis of the Saul/Paul character).
But that was not a radical break.
Magus' dogma applied god-fearer Torah to non-Jew Greeks who awaited the second coming of the Ebionites' Jewish messiah.
What do you think the likelihood is that Yehoshua the Egyptian was the Ebionite messiah?
What variant of the 'Yehoshua' name did the Ebionites use to refer to their messiah?
Why would James the brother of Yeshua believe something that was not true I am a Essene ebounite Nazarite Hebrew and we don't and will never believe Yeshua was Devine he was the Nov. True profit and we reject Trinity it is a lie and Oneness Doctrine Jesus was not the father Yeshua was the prophet Deuteronomy 18 the show us the way he was the way he was righteous prophet very righteous profit and Paul was a liar then to James John Peter the ebionites and 2000 years does not make him a truth-teller a lie that is a lie has always been a lie and will always be a lie anyone that rejects the Ebounites are Antichrist
If you beleive that he was a prophet , that would be what the muslims believe - that he was a prophet of god , which is also the eubanite view
I agree with you brother how come THE JEWISH MESSIAH not in his lifetime break the commandments of Moses and after that someone comes and say that jesus appeared to him and said law doesn’t matter ?why during his time on earth he endorsed and took grave risk to call jews to follow The law and after leaving earth say to someone that wasn’t an apostle that law doesn’t matter
@@287_shaikhmustafa7 shalom b'nai or yes you are very correct Paul was considered an apostate from the law that means they considered him the Antichrist but there was certain laws that the lying pen Of The Scribe such as the p of the Torah understand that people think that Moses wrote the Torah that is the furthest thing from the truth you have Yahwistic source that is called the J source then you have the E Source which is the El Shaddai Source or Elohim source then you have the they deuteronomist source then comes the
@@287_shaikhmustafa7 then comes the p source which is the Priestly source which was written around 600 BC by the scribes of Josiah being a false Doctrine which is the sacrificial system all the in profits came to prophesy about the sacrificial system Isaiah 1 Jeremiah 7 Ezekiel 22 Ezekiel 23 Amos 5 Psalms 40 Psalms 50 Psalm 78 Proverbs I forget which one there's 43 scriptures that the sacrificial system was false look them up for yourself Numbers Chapter 11 understand there was only Mana in the desert because if they brought all the flocks and animals out of Egypt for the sacrifice then why was there Mana why was they craving meat and he sent them quail and all the quill that he sent them while it was still in their mouth hey gave a plague to the Eaters of the meat you have to understand certain things that yahushua came to come against with the sacrificial system because it's a lie the lying pen Of The Scribe a famous saying Buy yahushua was stop the sacrifice in the eating of meat or rap will never cease from you
@@JohnSmith-pr8qj test the book of revelation.
Question: could a person hold the beliefs of the Ebionites and be considered Jewish? Would they be allowed to hold such beliefs be considered “Orthodox” Jews?
Ted Stout I'm not a Jew myself, but I know some Jews who believe Jesus is the Messiah, yet are fully practicing Jews who reject Catholic ideas like the Trinity. In essence, they consider Jesus to be a righteous man who taught Scripture well, and believe that he will return as the Messiah instead of some unknown man filling that role. But practically, they are Jews. They go to an orthodox synagogue, wear tefillin, etc. Although I myself am unconverted (but lean much more toward Judaism that Christianity), I can't say if Jews accept them as Jewish, but from what I've seen, they are accepted.
what i am getting out of this chat, is that you really cant govern the world by a particular religious doctrine or dogma, its a recipe for horrors.
Simply, the Ebionite beliefs would have undermined the role of the virgin Mary.
The issue with this is the BIBLE itself the writers, church fathers, etc. The ebionites weren't those who experienced the ressurection of Christ nor were the eyewitnesses. Also, prophecy show that the messiah is the LORD the bringer of the covenant.
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Concerning the Ebionites Hippolytus says:
"The Ebionites, however, acknowledge that the world was made by Him Who is in reality God, but they propound legends concerning the Christ similarly with Cerinthus and Carpocrates. They live conformably to the customs of the Jews, alleging that they are justified according to the law, and saying that Jesus was justified by fulfilling the law. And therefore it was, (according to the Ebionites,) that (the Saviour) was named (the) Christ of God and Jesus, since not one of the rest (of mankind) had observed completely the law. For if even any other had fulfilled the commandments (contained) in the law, he would have been that Christ. And the (Ebionites allege) that they themselves also, when in like manner they fulfil (the law), are able to become Christs; for they assert that our Lord Himself was a man in a like sense with all (the rest of the human family) (Ἐβιωναῖοι δὲ ὁμολογοῦσι τὸν κόσμον ὑπὸ τοῦ ὄντως θεοῦ γεγονέναι· τὰ δὲ περὶ τὸν Χριστὸν ὁμοίως τῷ Κηρίνθῳ καὶ Καρποκράτει μυθεύουσιν. Ἔθεσιν Ἰουδαϊκοῖς ζῶσι, κατὰ νόμον φάσκοντες δικαιοῦσθαι, καὶ τὸν Ἰησοῦν λέγοντες δεδικαιῶσθαι ποιήσαντα τὸν νόμον· διὸ καὶ Χριστὸν αὐτὸν τοῦ θεοῦ ὠνομάσθαι, καὶ Ἰησοῦν, ἐπεὶ μηδεὶς αὐτῶν ἐτέλεσε τὸν νόμον· εἰ γὰρ καὶ ἕτερός τις πεποιήκει τὰ ἐν νόμῳ προστεταγμένα, ἦν ἂν ἐκεῖνος ὁ Χριστός. Δύνασθαι δὲ καὶ ἑαυτοὺς ὁμοίως ποιήσαντας, χριστοὺς γενέσθα· καὶ γὰρ καὶ αὐτὸν ὁμοίως ἄνθρωπον εἶναι πᾶσι λέγουσιν.).” Hippolytus of Rome (Ἱππόλυτος Ῥώμης) (170-235 AD), Refutation of All Heresies (Κατὰ πασῶν αἱρέσεων ἔλεγχος), Book VII, Chapter 22 (chapter 34 in Greek).
Psalm 69:33 King James Version (KJV)
33 For the Lord heareth the poor (אביונים = Ebionites = πτωχοὶ [LXX]), and despiseth not his prisoners. ἰδέτωσαν πτωχοὶ καὶ εὐφρανθήτωσαν· ἐκζητήσατε τὸν Θεόν, καὶ ζήσεται ἡ ψυχὴ ὑμῶν, כי־שמע אל־אביונים יהוה ואת־אסיריו לא בזה׃ Hebrew Text.
Peter, James, and John require that Paul collect money for the “poor (οἱ πτωχοὶ = Ebionites)” in Jerusalem:
Galatians 2:8-12 King James Version (KJV)
8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:) ὁ γὰρ ἐνεργήσας Πέτρῳ εἰς ἀποστολὴν τῆς περιτομῆς, ἐνήργησε καὶ ἐμοὶ εἰς τὰ ἔθνη 9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision. καὶ γνόντες τὴν χάριν τὴν δοθεῖσάν μοι, Ἰάκωβος καὶ Κηφᾶς καὶ Ἰωάννης, οἱ δοκοῦντες στῦλοι εἶναι, δεξιὰς ἔδωκαν ἐμοὶ καὶ Βαρναβᾷ κοινωνίας, ἵνα ἡμεῖς εἰς τὰ ἔθνη, αὐτοὶ δὲ εἰς τὴν περιτομήν· 10 Only they would that we should remember the poor (τῶν πτωχῶν); the same which I also was forward to do. μόνον τῶν πτωχῶν ἵνα μνημονεύωμεν, ὃ καὶ ἐσπούδασα αὐτὸ τοῦτο ποιῆσαι. 11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. Ὅτε δὲ ἦλθε Πέτρος εἰς Ἀντιόχειαν, κατὰ πρόσωπον αὐτῷ ἀντέστην, ὅτι κατεγνωσμένος ἦν. 12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision. πρὸ τοῦ γὰρ ἐλθεῖν τινας ἀπὸ Ἰακώβου, μετὰ τῶν ἐθνῶν συνήσθιεν· ὅτε δὲ ἦλθον, ὑπέστελλε καὶ ἀφώριζεν ἑαυτόν, φοβούμενος τοὺς ἐκ περιτομῆς.
Romans 15:25-27 King James Version (KJV)
25 But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints. νυνὶ δὲ πορεύομαι εἰς Ἰερουσαλήμ, διακονῶν τοῖς ἁγίοις. 26 For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor (τοὺς πτωχοὺς = Ebionites) saints which are at Jerusalem. εὐδόκησαν γὰρ Μακεδονία καὶ Ἀχαΐα κοινωνίαν τινὰ ποιήσασθαι εἰς τοὺς πτωχοὺς τῶν ἁγίων τῶν ἐν Ἰερουσαλήμ. 27 It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things. εὐδόκησαν γάρ, καὶ ὀφειλέται αὐτῶν εἰσιν. εἰ γὰρ τοῖς πνευματικοῖς αὐτῶν ἐκοινώνησαν τὰ ἔθνη, ὀφείλουσι καὶ ἐν τοῖς σαρκικοῖς λειτουργῆσαι αὐτοῖς.
The authors of the Dead Se Scrolls refer to themselves as Ebionites:
4Q171 2:7-12 7 Ps 37:10 I will stare at his place and he will no longer be there. Its interpretation concerns all the wickedness at the end 8 of the forty years, for they will be completed and upon the earth no [wic]ked person will be found. 9 Ps 37:11 And the poor shall possess the land and enjoy peace in plenty. Its interpretation concerns 10 the congregation of the poor (האביונים = the Ebionites) who will tough out the period of distress and will be rescued from all the snares of 11 Belial (בליעל). Afterwards, all who shall po[sse]ss the land will enjoy and grow fat with everything enjoy[able to] 12 the flesh.
7 ואתבוננה על מקומו ואיננו פשרו על כול הרשעה לסוף
8 ארבעים השנה אשר יתמו ולוא ימצא בארץ כול איש
9 ר]שע וענוים ירשו ארץ והתענגו על רוב שלום פשרו על]
10 עדת האביונים אשר יקבלו את מועד התענית ונצלו מכול פחי
11 [בליעל ואחר יתענגו כול יו[ר]שי הארץ והתדשנו בכול תענ[וג
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Thank you. Do you or believe in the connection between the essenes and mushrooms?
@@theman4445 I looked at Allegro's arguments; and though I find the theory fascinating, I am not, as of yet, convinced.
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have you tried them?
They are the closest to god ive ever felt.
I believe they are the "fruit of the tree of knowledge" But i cant prove it.
To take the sacrament under the stars is a religious experience far superior to anything i have experienced in organised religions. Which included a stint as a monk.
Liberty caps grow around september in northern europe. Every country has its own variation.
The true sacrament, in my humble opinion.
P.s.
Lsd is a synthesised version with similar effects, and more standardised doses. Easier to procure in cities all year round.
P.p.s. i know this is illiegal in many countries so i am not condoning or advising anyone to break the laws of man.
What is missing from the video are the actual beliefs they practice and sayings quoted.
Because we know more about what they didn't believe than what they do. The Gospel of the Ebionites is a lost work that only has seven surviving quotations. There are really only four interesting things about them that have survived:
1) They believed that Jesus was ordained/adopted as the Son of God at his baptism.
2) They were vegetarians (some historians speculate that they believed that the Roman pagans were tainting the meat and making it not kosher just by being around).
3) They followed the Torah, unlike Pauline Christians, and insisted that gentile converts follow the Torah.
4) They believed that Jesus had come to put an end to the sacrifice/sin offering system, but not necessarily any other stuff.
@@jagnestormskull3178 You can piecemeal stuff from the Q gospel and the epistle of James.
Ordained son of god based on a mystical experience has about as much weight as Paul falling off his horse and going blind.
The primary face is works discussed in the Yacovian Epistle is a vow of poverty in service to the mission. Peity can be interpreted in that light. I think that his protest on sin offerings has more to do with who was doing the sacrifices than the sacrifices itself. Jesus appears to uphold a local ethos that was shared by other galileans, that the religious system imposed by Hycanus was corrupted, this appears to be the POV of the essenes also. So the resistence to the offerings is to deprive the Temple of its revenue.
@@Darisiabgal7573"Q" source is nothing more than a figment of your wild imagination.
@@MinisterRedPill I did not imagine the source, in fact there are three current published scholarly reconstructions. But since you orobably don read the scholarly literature . . . . .
@@Darisiabgal7573 I actually do, for various different things. That doesn't mean that everything they say is valid or true. The "Q" narrative is just as mystical as the experience you deny of the others.
The Ebionites were TOO JEWISH for the Pope
Christians conveniently forget that Jesus was a Jew.
Huge problem is Christians can not see the New Testament is a fraudulent fabrication built on a foundation of more porky pies that are consumed in England each year. Used to be one of them until I began to read history.
And all his apostles, and all of his followers, and Paul.
@@clarkewi Have huge doubts regarding Saul, dont think most Jews back in those days were fully paid up Roman citizens.
@@joegarry8983 Paul was definitely Jewish. He says so himself that he was a Pharisee from a long line of Pharisees. Acts of the Apostles, 5 (written c. 80-90 CE) speaks of Paul's teacher Gamaliel as a man held in great esteem by all Jews and as the Jewish law teacher of Paul the Apostle in Acts 22:3. Gamaliel the Elder, or Rabban Gamaliel I, was a leading authority in the Sanhedrin in the early first century AD. He was the son of Simeon ben Hillel and grandson of the great Jewish teacher Hillel the Elder. Gamaliel remains revered as the last great Rabbi in the Second Temple period. This was Paul's teacher.
@@clarkewi Original followers of Jesus, the Ebionites referred to him as a liar and a deceiver and personally I would go along with that view, do not think any student of the great Gamaliel would say the law was a curse and human sacrifice in the O.T. is abomination.
Matthew 5:17, is very important to me, while Christians ✝️ claim Jesus will bless all who believes in him, inlwayss figured then we would be blessed to keep the law! To know truth, to be able to repent effectively, and would know the laws and obey the laws! ...
As a christian i find the rabbi very interesting. I am a christian because i believe after jedus was executed, his clos friends experienced jesus as if he was alive. Whethet pyhsical or spiritual can be discussed. I believe that same ecperience is available to us now. Jesus calls us to follow the heart of the law. To quote micah. Love mercy, do justice and wslk humbly with the lord your God. Blessings to all.
So in what way did Christ fulfil the law?
Christians say the Jewish ceremonial laws were fulfilled through the crucifixion. Christ being a one time sacrifice for all men for all time, according to the New Testament.
It's like when u learn islam from the evangelism Christian.... They well tell u Muslim worship moon god, they will tell u Muslim pagan believer...which is the opposite,
It's Christianity that is so Pagan! 🗿
In the end what matters is Jesus, he is the only way, the truth.❤
Which Torah?
Good question. They didn't considered the sacrifices nor the eating of meat.
Apparently Houston Baptist University is a little more well known than I believed it to be.
Roman's 1:3-4 and clearly states that Jesus was born by a normal human birth. I dont understand why Christian's cant understand this.
Although this early Jewish-Christian sect of the Ebonites (circa. early 1st-2nd C.E.) was considered heretical, and their teachings on certain aspects have certainly deviated from pure Christian doctrine, what they said about Christ as an Angel is corroborative evidence of the antiquity of this tradition and teaching going back to the Earliest Christians and to the Jews themselves, as confirmed by writings among the DSS or Dead Sea Scrolls and Philo Judaeus.
Here is what Epiphanius had to say on what they taught in this regard:
GREEK TEXT: “...καὶ [16.] τούτου ἕνεκα Ἰησοῦν γεγεννημένον ἐκ σπέρματος ἀνδρὸς λέγουσι καὶ ἐπιλεχθέντα καὶ οὕτω κατὰ ἐκλογὴν υἱὸν θεοῦ κληθέντα ἀπὸ τοῦ ἄνωθεν εἰς αὐτὸν ἥκοντος Χριστοῦ ἐν εἴδει περιστερᾶς. οὐ φάσκουσι δὲ ἐκ θεοῦ πατρὸς αὐτὸν γεγεννῆσθαι, ἀλλὰ κεκτίσθαι ὡς ἕνα τῶν ἀρχαγγέλων [καὶ ἔτι περισσοτέρως], αὐτὸν δὲ κυριεύειν καὶ ἀγγέλων καὶ πάντων τῶν ὑπὸ τοῦ παντοκράτορος πεποιημένων...” - (Panarion 30.16, 4-5; Κατὰ Ἐβιωναίων, τῆς δὲ ἀκολουθίας. MPG.)
EPIPHANIUS OF SALAMIS (circa. 310-403 C.E.): “...And on this account they say that Jesus was begotten of the seed of a man, and was chosen; and so by the choice of God he was called the Son of God from the Christ that came into him from above in the likeness of a dove. And they deny that he was begotten of God the Father, but say that he was created as one of the archangels, yet greater, and that he is Lord of the angels and of all things made by the Almighty...” - (Pages 8-10, Panarion 30.16,4-5; Montague Rhode James in The Apocryphal New Testament, Oxford: Clarendon Press 1924)
EPIPHANIUS OF SALAMIS (circa. 310-403 C.E.): “...They say that Christ was not begotten of God the Father, but created as one of the archangels ... that he rules over the angels and all the creatures of the Almighty...” - (Panarion 30.16,4-5; The Nazarenes of Mount Carmel Copyright © 1999-2006.)
Oh great Yacub save us from the Ebionites.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I'm not sure if I can submit a question here or if you have already made material that'll answer my question.
My question is how on Earth is it possible for Jacob and Rebecca to knowingly try to deceive and you search the blessings from Isaac to Esau? And if the intention of Isaac was to give the blessing 2 Esau then wouldn't it be binding on Esau in the first place? And why would God allow this blessing to be usurped unjustly? And when I read this I wanted to pull my hair out because it was so confusing
Isa Hakim everything that happens is G-d's will. So if Jacob usurped the blessing. That was intended to happen. There is no such thing as "good or bad or unjust". There are the laws of G-d and his will. If G-d allows it to happen then it serves a purpose. There are only events that serve the one. The moment you try to override your own will to an event. Such as "why did this happen? or why would G-d allow this?" That's your prerogative attempting to control the great will. You will never control the one. That's why Xhistians failed and why their cult is dying. Trying to hijack G-d's will never work. The one will do as he wishes and you're just here for the ride.
Madson Barbosa Filho I think you misunderstand my point. I I mean Muslim so hopefully I don't sound too arrogant in saying this but I understand the concept of even if you take every step correctly and do everything in your capacity to make something happen if it's not written for you by Allah then it is what it is. My point here is the idiocy of the story. So it says that Rebecca put sheepskin on Jacob. Not only that but you mean to tell me that Isaac one of the most important Prophets in history you mean to tell me that he couldn't recognize the voice of his own son? And he couldn't tell the difference between human hair and sheep's wool? So what we see is this theme in the Bible where it seems like someone was trying to rewrite history. For example it smile is the first born of Abraham and while he receives a promise or blessing from God that does not include the promise of Israel or the promised land Palestine whatever you want to call it. But here's my thing the promise that was made to Abraham was specifically for his descendants so how then do you prove that you are included in this promise? Because the promise of the land or the Covenant that God made with Abraham it's very specific and it does not say that people who adhere to the Jewish religion will be entitled to this land promise or Covenant it says that specifically the descendants of Abraham is who the Covenant is made with. So even if you can trace your genealogy to a Semitic people it doesn't even necessarily mean that Georgia sending of Abraham specifically. And Arabs have the Blood of Abraham so how would you know if your genealogy is not from you know parts of Abraham's family that the promise is not included for? It's too much fukery for me and not enough sensible reasonable logical answers
Madson Barbosa Filho so in short I'm challenging the authenticity of the story. And how can I look at people who are supposed to be prophets of God and you know look up to their example or you know trust them to be honest when over and over again there's nothing but stories of them you know engaged in treacherous deceitful disgusting behavior these aren't Role Models these aren't people to take Knowledge from you can't even trust them to be you no honorable to their own family or brothers or whatever it is they're all killing each other and deceiving each other for power and land and worldly things
Isa Hakim Alright you made a lot of strange claims. So ill do my best to make it simple. A: Abraham was old and dying. So he was not of his senses. G-d let the blessing go to Jacob and he was his mother's favorite. In Judaism mothers are the gate through which you are made Jewish. You're adding gentile aspects to how the story "should go" in your mind. You claim to be a Muslim which makes you doing that very strange. Arabic/ Muslim history is full of aspects very similar to Judaism and have very little to do with the gentile world. Arabs and Muslims betrayed each other constantly. The Caliphates waged war on each other. The Turks conquered the Arabs. The Sunnis and Shia constantly genocide and betray each other etc etc etc. Your concept of "just" sounds like cartoon justice. Which is child like justice that assumes life goes as you think it should. Rather then how G-d made it so. B: you assault holy texts for being stupid and illogical. Which is asinine at best. Both Xhistianity and Islam are forged on Torah being 100% true. The difference between both is that Xhistians see Yoshke as G-d and discredit Muhammad and Islam. Islam sees Yoshke as a prophet and discredits the saints and disbelieve Xhistians. Both believe Torah is divine and unaltered. Both see Torah as the word of G-d. If you go the atheist route and claim Torah is false or altered you simply do not believe abrahamic faiths. Because if Torah is false then all Abrahamic faiths fall apart. So that stance is nonsensical. Im postulating these points on basic logic and theological credit. All religions are full of people with "dark" aspects. All humans have yetzer hara. A smart individual would take advice from a person with wordly experience. People who wear holiness often do it for appearance sakes. Jews have struggled with G-d since weve come onto the earth. All humans struggle with yetzer hara. You're no saint yourself and likely have done a large list of sins. No one is perfect as only G-d is perfection. We follow our laws and do our best to strive for holiness. Yet we don't shy away from the gritty and dark details of our history. So you have to explain yourself in way where you don't sound like a wishy washy child. Im being blunt with you because you claim to be a Muslim. Ishmael is my kin so his covenant does matter to me as a Jew. If a Muslim claims silly talking points it irks me. Because it shames Ishmael.
Isa Hakim Ishmael was promised a great nation. He and his seed fulfilled this. The Muslims destroyed Rome and Persia. The ummayyds conquered large parts of Rome. The Islamic empires were bigger then european ones. Muslims today are a massive nation of peoples. Ishmael was given his own covenant and progeny. This happened for him. The land of Israel is promised to the Jewish people. Although at times Muslims have freed israel from foreign usurpers. Such the first jihad done by Muhammad's ummah and salahin's conquest of the kingdom of Jerusalem. If you read history without emotions and stop trying to hijack G-d's will it makes a lot more sense. Children cry when the baby gazelle gets eaten by the lion on national geographic. They throw a tantrum and ask their parents to change it. As if their will should stop nature itself from taking its course. This is why I said to consider child like visions of "what should be". I'm sure many Xhistians cried asking for Muslims not to conquer and butcher them. Yet that was G-d's will. Just like the vise versa happening today from western armies. G-d's will happens weather you find it fair or not. Moses didn't even get to see Israel. Jews dealt with 2000 years of persecution from Xhistians. So your idea of "fair" just isnt realistic. The world has no such thing. It's all G-d's will. The same as how Hasatan is an agent of G-d. All serve the one.
Too bad the Ebionite beliefs did not prevail. Things would be a lot different in the world if christians kept the commands.
Islam.
The Catholic Church celebrates ishtar and tamus. It’s why Mary was so important to keep the goddess of fertility (paganism) replace the true story.
Before I even comment here...I'm going to remind perhaps even Tovia of the story of Gameliel II and Ima Shalom, which I loosely call "the Ass Kicked over the Lamp."
That particular Talmudic passage points out one thing about anything called an "Evangelion." That the "Evangelion" originated ONLY after the Second Temple was destroyed...at a time when the Galut had started. The philosopher judge that Gameliel II and Ima Shalom are talking to is indicative of the reality of that post-2nd Temple destruction time...of Samaritans and Hellenicists and a few others being in positions of authority under the Romans.
I don't consider "the dude from Nazareth" version of Jesus to even have been heard of at that particular moment. Clearly there wasn't one in 40-50 c.e. when Philo died...and Philo was BIG on the ideas that were woven into very early ChrEstianity/Christianity. "Dude from Nazareth" is noticeably absent from Philo's works, though you could find a conceptual Logos and aleph-yod-shin in Philo's works.
There's a LOT of different/new material that crops up around mid-2nd century. All of a sudden, even a "birth story". Tales of various apostles, too. Before Acts. Even one called The Acts of Paul/Acts of Paul and Thecla...though THAT one was clearly caught out as a fable.
So yes, we DO hear of "Ebionites," but they're a bit weird to get a handle on. And...there's a bit of an association with the Clementine literature where James the Just is leader of a Jerusalem-based church and where "Paul" is akin to Simon Magus.
Except...practically ALL mentions even of James the Just seem to crop up exactly around that same mid-2nd century period...in Hegessipus and Hegessipus-influenced copies of Josephus, Protevengelion of James, even whatever was the precursor of Acts.
It's also a period where we've got someone claiming to be a student of "John" while being a bit narky at "Mark" or "Marcion.
But thankfully we have an independent source, outside of the various ChrEstian/Christian groups of the time who tells us a bit more of the mid-2nd century dude writing so much stuff...under Death of Peregrinus Proteus. There's a forger/huckster from Parium with a lot of aliases, who apparently IS the person the "saints" Ignatius and Polycarp are drawn from.
This idiot from Parium only even enters Iudea between Kitos and Bar Kochba. So...that's the earliest you would have even REALLY had "Christians" of the "i"-spelling. NOT before.
Definitely, then, the "Ebionites" are not REAL. Not if they're working on what this fool from Parium was writing about a "James the Just."
And...the second century material is NOT as identical to a 70 c.e. Evangelion as people think.
For starters, the original Greek meaning of Evangelion. "Good News of a Military Victory." Good news ONLY to the groups BENEFITTING from a Roman win. Something written/proclaimed by a King (a last one) with FLAVIAN blessing. A first writer who was actually educated, rich and a king, who had a Mark in his name. There I'll draw on both Talmud references to Herod Agrippa for further detail.
So...the mid-2nd century forger-huckster adds a LOT of material. Though it's still decades before Irenaeus and the new proto-Catholics take forging one step further.
One of the things this forger/huckster writes is Protevangelion of James. In essence the FIRST birth story Jesus. The title itself tells us something...that it's meant to be a "prequel" to the Evangelion. If we used Star Trek analogies...if a 70 c.e. Evangelion was "Star Trek the Original Series," then Protevangelion of James would be Star Trek Enterprise...and a 190 c.e. Matthew and Luke would be Star Trek Discovery. Now...this still makes Protevangelion LATER than the original Evangelion no matter WHAT Protevangelion of James purports to be. One thing that obviously seems to have been missing in the original Evangelion was any "birth story" for its ISU character. That makes sense, because the "god/angel/allegory" ISU/Jesus came BEFORE "dude from Nazareth."
And around 190 c.e., Irenaeus brings in Matthew and Luke birth stories. With Gospel of Luke having NO real existence before Irenaeus.
So..."Ebionites" arise from the second-century huckster/forger's material. He was pretty big around Syriac areas...and obviously had fans picking different aspects of his forging.
Why did this mid-2nd century forger/huckster have any spleen to vent at BOTH Mark AND Paul? Well, I think he actually knew "Paul" was really Mark, as groups BEFORE Irenaeus were aware, but just didn't tell many people. This huckster/forger, according to Death of Peregrinus Proteus, was BOOTED from a Chrestian/Christian group. From "Ebionites?" Let's get real...nope. From an EARLIER form of ChrEstianity that had been around since 70 c.e. One arising from Samaritan/Hellenicist/Herodian origins...where the active name was "Mark/Marqe.
Irenaeus tells us that his "teacher," who he calls Polycarp, was asked "Recognise US, Poycarp." That's a distortion of an earlier, ChrEstian/Gnostic "orthodoxy" that the idiot from Parium was eventually booted from.
From that time, the twerp from Parium wasn't big on Mark...and if he knew Mark was who Paul REALLY was...eventually the idiot from Parium would have laid the foundations of the "Paul" we're MORE familiar with, but who also has a ridiculous origin point in Tarsus.
I know Tovia deals with the scholarship on this whole subject...but I prefer digging UNDER the "established" story of Christianity, since it's full of post-190 c.e. Irenaean distortions of just about everything.
And I tossed out "Simon Magus" stuff ages ago, because it's a huge misdirection.
Samaritans don't KNOW a Simon Magus. The really ACTIVE name for them has been..."MARQE. Mark. Likewise, the COPTS think Peter took away from Mark THE apostle's glory.
Two groups ESPECIALLY hit by the Commodus-era appearance of Irenaeus...who, by his own admission, was tied to the Imperial Household. It's quite interesting that the progenitor of Irenaeus' group was that mid-2nd century forger huckster.
And...since one of the hucker/forger's aliases was Hegessipus...think for a minute what that means to Josephan studies. We have a forger/huckster in the mid-2nd century, around the Tenth of Antoninus, 147 c.e., effectively making out he's a new Josephus. Hegesippus is where we get ideas of "christians" spelt with an "i" supposedly fleeing to Petra or even existing prior to 70 c.e. Hegessipus is the one trying to tell us of a Jerusalem church initially run by a "family of Jesus." Weirdly, the names "Hegessipus" used for that could have been taken wholesale from the Herodian family tree.
Seriously...a LOT didn't exist in the "christian" side of the subject till around the end of that Kitos/Bar Kochba period.
Go back BEFORE Kitos and you only have "the Good" in Roman/Flavian eyes, the Samaritans, the Hellenicist-Jews, the Greeks, and up to 100 c.e., Herod Agrippa.
Curious that the idea to make a Jewish-SEEMING branch of Christians only really cropped up AFTER Celsus had said something in his more CONSTRUCTIVE criticisms of the ChrEstian groups he was aware of before Irenaeus came into the picture.
Even there..."Ebionites" really didn't exist till someone wrote of them mid-2nd century...same as "dude from Nazareth" Jesus didn't exist until the second century either.
That will be one thing I'll have to respectfully disagree with Tovia about.
Wow nice essay
@@inongbalee3092 Try reading some ancient works in one sitting...like Justin "Martyr's" Dialogue or even Lucian's Passing of Peregrinus Proteus. What I wrote was a reader's digest edition.
@@GeorgeHall-geehall1 on UA-cam comment sections?
@@GeorgeHall-geehall1 on UA-cam comment sections?
@@inongbalee3092 Admittedly, I didn't realise at the time I wrote it just how much I wrote...looking at it tonight, I gave myself six lashes of the wet shoelace for writing so much.
We need to find the direct contemporary writings of jesus or his followers ,until then we cannot really say for sure who jesus or his apostles really thought he was ,however no one can deny jesus was a reformist jew!
Ebionites also didn't believe Jesus was crucified
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@@abrahamalexander4369 the Basilidians didn't belief Jesus was crucified and there were also other early Christian groups. I think it's unknown if the ebonites believed this but it can certainly be accepted that they also didn't belief it. They were actually connected to Peter and James who opposed Paul (the one who preached that without believing in the rescurrtion your faith is in vain)
they believe it
The did believe in it
Evangelicals be crazy. I know . Used to be one.
Ngl looking back, a fat lot of my beliefs as a Christian were Ebionitic, though I do ended up seeing *some* times Paul was on point(but overall his epistles are full of crap)