DON’T BUY AN L-BRACKET for your Flip screen camera | Sony A7iv, A7siii, Canon R5, Canon R6
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- Опубліковано 15 лют 2023
- Today I have an alternative to an L-bracket if your camera has a flip screen ... and it works so much better than a standard L-bracket with all the use of that flippy screen!
geni.us/A7ivHalfCageUS (Click on the "right hand side" amazon link for the UK)
geni.us/SmallQuickReleasePlate Quick release plate (Compatible with Peak Design and arca swiss)
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Camera clip I always use: geni.us/PDCameraClip
(It's expensive but well worth it!)
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Hollyland Lark 150: geni.us/Lark150wirelessMic (Not the best but it does the job for now)
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Here are the links I forgot to put in the description! 😆 (That are also now in the description)
geni.us/A7ivHalfCageUS (Click on the "right hand side" amazon link for the UK)
geni.us/SmallQuickReleasePlate Quick release plate (Compatible with Peak Design and arca swiss)
Thanks for watching 😁👍
Can you also give a link for the gloves? 😅 Thats very inovative with the removable thumbs.
How I wish I've watched this before I bought my L-bracket for my A7IV. Great advice! Thanks for sharing.
In one of your previous videos you were demonstrating the Peak Design clip for your camera, I bought one and find it very useful especially when hiking around, I then realised that if I wanted to shoot vertical I had to remove the clip and fit my L bracket. Have been searching for some time for an L bracket that I can attach my PD clip. I wasn't even aware of cages for camera's. Many thanks for sharing, another thing to buy for my camera
I got to say I appreciate the practical advice and straight to the point nature of your videos. Thank you and keep up the good work. You made it a no-brainer to subscribe to your videos and like them.
That's brilliant! I cut out the side part of the L bracket on mine so I could rotate the screen on my A7 IV and then realized that I could not mount it on the tripod in portrait any longer. I thought I ruined a perfectly good L bracket. Now I have a solution to revive that L bracket. Thanks!
Loved the video,Mike. Your workaround looks great and well thought out. My family in Japan is finally going to see my Mom in the US in June, we are very excited. Along the same lines I hope you are doing well and every one you care about as well. Stay safe and warm.
That's great to hear Lance!! I bet you can't wait!!! 👍👍👍
You saved my L-Bracket habbit with the new A7iv camera. Thanks
Wow, you're a pro! Great presentation. Subscribed!
Hi Mike, brilliant video, I was looking at camera collars, but thanks to you I've gone right off 'em. I shoot canon DSLR's so a dedicated collar is never going to be available. I am an engineer and have made my own L brackets before. I will now be making half camera cages thanks to you.
Love your style of narration, no froth or flannel, just a straight, serious presentation of the facts and your own valuable experience and experience. Really resonates.
Bob
Thanks so much for your kind words Bob. This is the one reason I started my channel in the first place. So many people ramble on for hours on subjects that only need a fraction of the time.
It would be interesting to see what you produce. My A7C has taken quite a beating over the years and the only thing that has saved it is the cage I have it in.
Cheers
Mike
Great video !! Thanks for sharing!!
Mike, thanks for this great idea. Just fitted the halfcage to my A7Rv and it is a great solution. Not seen many videos lately.Hope you are back on soon
Very bright workaround!
Just ordered the small rig half cage and NEEWER Pack of 2 Quick Release Plate with Four Side Arca Type Slots, 1/4 Inch Screw, 38 mm Camera Tripod Mounting Adapter, Compatible with Peak Design Capture Backpack Clamp V3, Falcam F38, QPR-5, two for less than the price of one Peak Design 🙂. Great and very informative video, thanks a million, was getting very frustrated with the floppy screen on my newly acquired A7IV. Subscribed!
This is a great tip for those with regular flippy screens but if manufacturers start making screens like the A7R5, the regular L bracket seems just fine
Thank you for the idea! I tried the smallrig L-bracket for my sony a7iv but i didnt have enough room for the cord connecting my DJI lav mic. I returned the bracket after watching this video and went for the half cage. So far one week in, Im loving the adjustment! Though, instead of the peak design mount, I used the bracket that came with my pgytech mantispod. So far the rig works great on the mantis pod and feels so much more versatile! Cheers mike!
Awesome to hear it is working for you dude! The half cage is a fantastic bit of kit isn't it!!
Thanks for watching 😁👍
I've been waiting for this for my a7iv! haha thanks Mike 👍
No worries!! Thanks for watching Joe 😁👍
Hi Mike, I like your Frankenbracket! I just purchased the Atoll S and the Atoll X for my Sony A7IV. Another reviewer pointed out that he had vibration issue with the original Atoll when shooting Milky Way. I've mounted both and found the X is more stable but there's still some vibration. The X does allow for much larger lenses now, up to 90mm diameter. My primary lens is the Tamron 35-150 and I can easily get to the lens release button. I do shot Milky Way with a Sony 14mm, so the vibration issue is a concern. My testing has only been in my office on a Benro Rhino tripod and a hardwood floor, mother earth may provide a little more damping. I'm going to build your recommendation and see how that compares. Practicality definitely wins over beauty. I appreciate both of your reviews on L-Brackets! Thanks a million! Buying the bracket and clip via your links. We you get a commission if the US Amazon is used?
Excellent idea Mike, thanks.
No worries, thanks for watching Alex! 😁👍
Man I’m glad you made this video. Had an L bracket in my cart not realizing I wouldn’t be able to use my flippy screen as intended. I would have been so annoyed. Thanks!
It is so annoying...I did it with my a7c and ended up getting rid of the L bracket for the cage on that one.
I'm glad I saved you from that mistake. 😁👍
@Mike Smith Sincere thanks for making this video. I'd already bought an L-bracket for my flippy screen Canon R7 and just couldn't get on with it, what with the screen being impeded and it only having one anchor point (going out of alignment too easily). I've now got a SmallRig cage thanks to your suggestion and it's so much better. The camera body is already very compact, so I don't feel the cage makes it uncomfortably large to keep on all the time. By the way, for anchoring in an Arca-Swiss clamp in portrait orientation, I've found the (new-ish) two-bolt offset SmallRig plate no. 3154 fits perfectly (18mm centre to centre bolt spacing). Having two bolts, it won't loosen and get out of alignment like a one-bolt plate. Thanks again!
Interesting workaround, Mike. I've used SmallRig L-brackets for over 2 years on Fuji X-S10 & X-H2 (both of which have flippy screens). Yes, it does involve a bit more futzing around to use the flippy screen when you shoot in Horizontal formats on a tripod (less so in Vertical), but with practice I've found there is plenty of room to maneuver without a lot of hassle. Indeed, when I'm shooting from a tripod there is usually less urgency than when shooting handheld for street photography or other genres, and in the latter cases it is easy enough to remove the bracket. A cage also expands the overall footprint of the camera, which might be an issue in some circumstances.
That is true Warrick, I suppose it is what you get used to and what you have to hand. The great thing with photography is that there are so many different ways to get the same result, so it is great that we can customise these cameras in so many different ways.
Thanks for watching 😁👍
Good stuff Mike, thanks for the review.
No worries, thanks for watching!
@@mikesphotography I actually ordered one as soon as I finished watching your video.
Brilliant solution. I was just pondering a workaround to this problem.
Thanks very much. If you liked this, be sure to check out my latest video, where I have bought 5 of the latest brackets for the A7iv.
Here's the link: ua-cam.com/video/riydTFmQ4ow/v-deo.html
Thanks for watching 😁👍
@@mikesphotography Saw that video as well. Fun video. I actually just bought a Falcam cage which solved that issue.
Great idea! I struggle when using my L bracket when I need the side door open on my A7iv to plug in my intervalometer for astro photography plus it does get in the way of the flip screen as you show even when the bracket is extended out. I just ordered the rig thru your link. I may end up cutting the top part of the bracket since I only need an L type bracket. Keep these great videos coming.
Thanks very much Larry!! That would probably work well, just make sure to paint the cut, especially if you are going near seawater... aluminium and saltwater don't mix well at all...
Thanks for watching 😁👍
Hi Mike, thanks for a nice solution. I have the A7IV and also the L-bracket. I fully subscribe to the issues you raise using the L-bracket. My main fear has been to damage the flip screen by accidentally pushing or trapping it while turning the camera around or the like. Following your solution I purchased the half-cage and plate. So far it has only been tried out at home. However, I find there is one additional drawback to the half-cage solution. And that's when using my manual lenses, the Voigtlander 110mm, Lensbaby Burnside 35mm, and Samyang 35mm f1.2. These lenses all have the aperture ring close to the flange where the lens is attached to the camera. For my lenses and similarly constructed lenses the part of the the half-cage and the vertical plate protruding from the front of the camera makes manipulating the aperture ring a bit of a nuisance. So, while I agree to your 99% 'points' for the flipscreen and port access solution, for manual lens operation it's 30% in mý assessment. The flip screen solution does outweigh the other negatives, hence I keep the half-cage, but suggest Smallrig search for an even better solution.
Thanks for letting me know Erik.
I just checked out the Voigtlander 110 and I see what you mean.
I only have Tamron and Sony lenses, so I wasn't aware of this so that is great to know.
I suppose you could put the quick release plate further back, but then it gets in the way of the HDMI port, and because the half cage is still in front of the camera body, it would still get in the way.
Thanks for watching 😁👍
Cameras like Sony A7R V and S1H, GH6 have the perfect system, a screen that can be flipped but also tilted giving you best of both worlds.
There's a new concept released by Silence Corner. It is called Atoll. Other gear manufacturers (including SmallRig and Ulanzi/Falcam) copied it as well. It is basically a double-ring system that let's you rotate your camera 360 degrees around the lens axis. Very smart and compact solution.
It does look like a good option doesn't it.
I'm definitely going to get one to try out.
Thanks for watching 😁👍
Nice solution. I found with the A7R5 you can use the tilt screen mechanism to move the flip screen further away from the body so it can rotate freely away from a bracket. However, it’s still an extra action, so I might still go with someone similar to what you have shown.
I was wondering how the new tilt/flip screen on the A7R5 would cope with a normal L-bracket.
One good thing with amazon returns is that you could try it out and if it doesn't work, just send it back.
Thanks for watching 😁👍
Nice workaround, Mike. I'm personally happy with the SmallRig L bracket although it does make the setup rather bulky.
No worries Dei ... you're right, it does add a bit of bulk to it doesn't it.
Thanks for watching 😁👍
Nice Video Mike 🙂 nice to learn about camera gear etc before i get my own camera, soon hopefully!
Thanks very much!!
Before you know it, you'll have one!! 😁👍
@@mikesphotography YEP! Happy Friday Mike!! I like watching your video’s, even rewatched some edit video’s and some of the longer lasting video’s, because it’s relaxing to watch and to have on the side to look at when i sometimes are playing farming simulator 🙂. I also got some recently cool edits of the ferries in Oslo, that i really want to show you👀 if i can send a mail to you😊
I have had the same issue in the past but have found a different way to work around it. It will not suit everyone but it works for me. I have got an L bracket from Neewer that I can put on with the upright part of the bracket in the right hand side of my camera keeping it totally away from my flip out screen. Some people might not like the fact that it adds slightly to the side you hold to shoot but I find it works well for me. I still get the ability to shoot landscape or portrait. They are cheap but I haven't had to replace one yet except when I have upgraded camera. Hope this helps.
Thanks for sharing your solution to this problem Brett. 😁👍
Brilliant!
I have a smallrig half-cage it's soo nice. I discovered their products all the way back in 2019. Always good quality at fair prices.
They are good aren't they John. Not too bulky with a fair bit of protection.
Thanks for watching 😁👍
I recently bought the new foldable L-bracket from SmallRig (for Canon R5). It solves the problem and is really well designed.
Good to hear you like that one Brian.
Thanks for watching 😁👍
Hi! You can also try Nisi wizard w-63 or the original product that i forget the name 😬
McGyver Mike and his happy flippy hacks! I had this problem with my X-T4 though just continued to use it in a restricted way. In the end I sold it and bought a camera with just a tilting screen 😂🤣. L-brackets are such good bits of kit 👍
Haha!! Always trying to make the process easier!!
I've had a few comments here saying "I don't see the problem in just dropping the ballhead through 90 degrees." They will never know the joys that an L-bracket truly brings!! 😆😆
As always thanks for watching dude 😁👍
How did you go about getting the screen repaired on the A7C?
Nice thanks for sharing
Cool video!
Really creative solution. I personally don't like L-Brackets exactly because of the limiting of the flippy screen. Might consider the half cage solution.
It does seem to work really well. I've had a full cage on my A7C for a long time now and it really does work out well.
As always thanks for watching 😁👍
I've got a L-Bracket where the upright plate is an adjustable width from the body of the camera. I don't actually have a flip screen, but I use it to give space for cables coming out the side of the body. But it would work well for a flip screen. The specific one I've got is the 3 Legged Thing Ellie with the Peak Design base plate.
Nice. I've seen those and they look great.
As always thanks for watching 😁👍
thanks for this! I considered this solution for my a6700, as there is no good L-Bracket on the market. But i think it actually doesnt work cause of the SD and USB C Slot which i think cant be opened anymore...:/
Practical advice for irksome problem, Mike. I use your solution, per prior posts and comment replies (thanks). Worth the added weight and bulk. Cool idea for under tripod attachment. Surprised you used separate screwdriver instead of coin or built-in driver in base of cage. Clever “flippy counter” bit😊. My only question is how did you find that picnic table out in the wild? Very convenient. Any splinters? Cheers!
Haha! The picnic table was great although I had to have the sun over my right hand shoulder to protect the mic from the wind that was blowing on my back ... also my jacket was way to rustley for this one, so I'll either be in the office or doing more like this when it gets a bit warmer!! 😆
For the QR plate, it is a hex key so I have to use a driver for that, it would be far easier if they just had it as a flat head like the cage.
As always thanks for watching Paul 😁👍
any options for Olympus?
Got myself an L-Bracket for sony a7 iv removed the side and i am using strap slot on the bottom were the grip is so its not bothering or blocking me when i am taking picture and on the screw hole on the bottom of my camera i have the quick release plate for my gimbal and everthing is so simple no hassle at all. I wanna use my gimbal i remove the strap [Peak design] and put on my gimbal easy and then i dont wanna use gimbal remove and put back on my strap. Hasnt disapointed me
Genius idea. Looks like Smallrig only sells the Canon half cage with a cable clamp, which raises the price a bit over the Sony version without the cable clamp. By the time you add the extra plate, you might as well go with the Pro Media Gear L bracket. Definitely something to consider if the half cage was a little lower price though.
Now there we go! A company that thinks around a problem instead of ignoring it!! Thanks for sharing that company with us!!
With smallrig, they definitely bump the price up when all the accessories are added. It would be so much better to be able to buy the half cage on its own with the other bits as optional extras.
Thanks Craig!
I had this problem too. I use a smallrig full cage and mount a acra-type plate on the battery/sdcard side instead. I can use all the mic, HDMI, headphones ports but need to remove the plate to access the SD card. This will be ok since I hardly take out the SD card. I transfer photos/videos using USB C cable.
That's another way to do it Leo.
I have the full cage on my A7C and that has mounting options on the other side as well. Cages can be so handy and they definitely give a lot more protection around the camera body.
Thanks for watching and thanks for the tip 😁👍
Nice solution for the A7 iV. i developed an L bracket that fits the other way round thus ensuring the flippy screen is not compromised, works well enough on my wide angle lens. no issues using the tripod collar on the telephoto , best regards Barry
That's great to hear Barry! There's always ways to work around it and glad you got it sorted for your needs. 👍
@@mikesphotography The Allto collar as mentioned in the comments seems a great bit of kit and should work nicely on my new Tamron 20 40 f2.8, yes got another Tamron👍 Traded in my 16 35 Sony as I prefer the extra 5mm on the zoom end. How are you getting on with the 400.?
I did read another comment about the Atoll bracket getting in the way of the lens release button ... especially with bigger lenses, so might be worth looking into that before getting one.
I'm really liking the 50-400mm, great bit of kit ... and super sharp!!
Looking forward to trying it with the A6000 this week as well for a little more reach!! 👍
I was looking for an L-Bracket for my Sony A1 with battery grip, small rig have one and I can add a small plate like you have. Thank you for the idea 😊
No worries, great to hear I could help Alterick!
Thanks for watching 😁👍
You need to check out the new Atoll bracket. I got mind through the Kickstarter project for my Fuji XT 4. It is brilliant and can easily switch from landscape to portrait mode. Revolutionary design for fllppy screens .
The atol bracket looks good ... Although a few Sony users have commented here saying it does get in the way of the lens locking button.
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@@mikesphotographyI found it needed a bit of adjustment to get it work with all the Fuji lens I own. Happy with it now and can use my remote release with it rather than the timer.
That looks a great bit of kit, will check it out, many thanks👍👍😊
I've honestly never had a problem just dropping my ballhead 90 degrees and not having a cumbersome cage or other brackets attached to the camera. I prefer the more streamlined ergonomics.
No worries Stew, photography is one of those hobbies that has many ways to get the same result, which is great. 😁👍
Great recommendation, will look at that for my next camera the Sony A7IV. BTW - did not see the link for the small cage. Did I miss it?
Thanks Richard! Sorry, in my rush to get the video up this week, I forgot to put the link in there. Here it is:
geni.us/A7ivHalfCageUS (Click on the "right hand side" amazon link for the UK)
geni.us/SmallQuickReleasePlate Quick release plate (Compatible with Peak Design and arca swiss)
I hope that helps and thanks for watching 😁👍
Even though I shoot with the A7iii, which does not have an articulated viewfinder, I'm sorry, "Flippy Screen", I really enjoyed watching your work-around, Mike. One of these days I will upgrade, but the A7iii is really a great camera. I do sometimes wish I had opted for the A7Riii, just for the added ability to crop due to my lazy composition techniques, but for now is a "Non-Flippy-Screen" (in my best British accent) for me. I hope you and yours are well, my friend.
In passing, this past Fall I bought a cage directly from Ulanzi for my A7III and I'm quite pleased with its design and their prices and service. If you decide to hang on to your 'III' and want the protection, accessory options and extra grip of a cage I would include them in comparisons. I hand modified mine so it's always got a proper hex key secured out of the way just like most cages have a flat 'screw driver' in the bottom.
@@charlieross-BRM Thanks for the tip. I will check it out.
I'm lobbying to get the official name changed to flippy screen!! 😆
The a7riii is definitely a fantastic camera ... As soon as I got my a7iii, I wanted to sell my a7rii and upgrade to the riii and it is still a really viable camera today!!
All good here dude! I hope you and the family are great!! 😁👍
My Kenro ball head has a cut out so I can easily turn the camera for portrate shots and do not need an L bracket, surely not the only one.!!
There is a Smallrig foldable l-bracket 3984. do you know it? The 3984 was built especially for the Sony a7 iv / a7 s III
That looks a very interesting design! It would be interesting to see how sturdy the camera would be when mounted on the L bracket. I'm guessing the hinge would be pretty tight.
Thanks for watching and thanks for sharing 😁👍
Full cage is better for this video. It has all the benefits you said but also allows extension of camera length
I've been binge-watching your videos for the past 2 weeks and find your content approach very motivating and easy on the eyes. What head are you using to clamp onto the quick-release plate?
Thanks very much! Binge watching is always welcome here!! 😆
In this video, I am using the Ulanzi travel tripod:
www.ulanzi.com/products/ulanzi-coman-lightweight-travel-tripod
It is small and lightweight but a little flimsy, especially when using bigger lenses. I normally use that one to film from with the A7C and the 17-28mm, so a really light setup.
My normal tripod for landscapes is the Sirui: geni.us/Sirui-tripod-kit
which is a little more sturdy.
I hope that helps.
Thanks for watching 😁👍
@@mikesphotography Thanks Mike. I have the same back back strap quick releases system. I am hoping the Sirui head is compatible with the quick-release plates.
@@NYskyHI If you have the capture clip, it is compatible with the sirui head. 😁👍
@@mikesphotography thanks!!
Great option however from what see from I'm small rig all canon lenses do not aply
I have had the PD plate slip from an arca, might be human error but I am not sure it is fully arca compatible or if they tweek it for their proprietary mounts, at least the new ones.
I put my PD plate on the top of the camera and that seems to balance well if the holder is on a back pack strap, had to move it to the bottom to belt carry.
I've never really had a problem using the PD plates with the Arca swiss system, so not sure what's happening there.
Thanks for watching 👍
Grrr... wish you'd posted this a couple of weeks ago. I bought the L Bracket for my A7IV for a London trip and hated the restriction it imposes to the flippy screen. Thank for offering a solution.
Ah man ... nothing like bad timing. This is one of the reasons I buy things like this from Amazon, so if it doesn't work out, I can send it back for a full refund.
Thanks for watching Duncan 😁👍
@@mikesphotography My L Bracket has been returned to Amazon. I already had the full cage, which I prefer for the extended hand grip and you idea works just as well with that. I feel a bit dumb for not thinking of it myself. Cheers again Mike.
same problem on xt4 but the convenience of L-brecket is priceless
It is a great little invention ... and there are some commenters on here that will never know how much of a life changer it really is!!
Thanks for watching Leonardo 😁👍
brilliant
Thanks 😁👍
Thank you, you saved me from making a bad purchase.
No worries, great to have been able to help Nathan!
Thanks for watching 😁👍
There is one thing about these (now that I have one)--if you are using a Canon R5 with the EF-RF Drop-In Filter Adapter (as I do), the left-hand side of the cage blocks the filter if you attach a PeakDesign mount on it. I'm still working on a solution that allows me to use the cage with the adapter. Any tips would be welcome!
Good point. When you introduce other factors, like the drop in filter/adapter, they definitely have to be taken into account. Maybe in moving the PD quick release plate to the top or the bottom of the side of the cage?
@@mikesphotography Yeah that was my thought, too. It's on the list of things I'll try when I have a moment. I'll report back!
L bracket works just fine with this screen. Just put it at a slight angle and it works totally fine.
Thanks for your feedback David.
Hey Mike, are you up to date with the new rings for your brand new a7IV, which allow you to rotate the camera on tripod and do not hinder the problematic rotating screen? There's a new kind to discover....
Hey JC,
I have seen those, that's the atoll camera mount. It looks interesting but from the comments on here, it sounds like it does get in the way of the lens release button. Although smallrig have copied this design but with a solution to this problem.
Thanks for the tip, and as always thanks for watching my friend 😁👍
@@mikesphotography Yes, there are several manufacturers with a similar product, sunwayfoto and Ulanzi have theirs too, they all have the "small problem" of access to the lens release button, but Smallrig's problem is that it is only compatible with a few Sony cameras ... On the other hand, the rest have their little trick for the big fingers and the lens release button...😛😛😛😛 I just noticed that the Ulanzi also has a button on the ring to make it easy to release the lens.
After some research, I can't seem to find a half-cage that is compatible with the Canon R. Such a shame.
My tripod head allows me to rotate 90 degrees for portrait angles. Works perfectly for my needs.
Yep, the ball head will do that, but there's nothing quite like framing up a subject and just being able to quickly switch the camera by 90 degrees and have the camera pointing in exactly the same angle with no minute adjustments needed.
Thanks for watching 👍
Promediagear L-bracket does all this without plates. It is little more expensive but… This is great and cheaper solution though. 👍
I'll have to check that out. 👍
@@mikesphotography Here's the link for quick info. L-bracket is from 4:13 min. ua-cam.com/video/oX4cdiaGyRg/v-deo.html
This is why I purchased the Atoll S Rotating Camera Collar. Way better solution then your work around.
Although I've heard a lot of reports that it gets in the way of the release button for the lens. And with some bigger lenses, it really gets in the way ...
Hey! Have you looked into that TTartisan 50mm 1.4 tilt lens at all?
I've seen it, but not tried it yet. Looks like an interesting lens through.
I wish they would have put the shift into that one as well though ...
@@mikesphotography I agree! It’s an intriguing lens at that price though
Have you tried the Atoll by Silent Corner?
I haven't yet, but it looks great. I think smallrig and a few other companies also have a setup like that now as well.
I heard the atoll gets in the way of the lens release button a little but I really like how they are thinking outside the box with this concept.
Thanks for the recommendation. 😁👍
Forget everything about the L-brackets and just buy an Atoll or Sunway LS63 & LS75. All camera sides free at any moment and much easier to flip from vertical to horizontal position with camera attached.
Thanks Edward, the atol mounting system does look good, although I've seen from a few comments here that it does get in the way of the lens release button, especially with bigger lenses. A great way to think around a problem though and I bet within a few iterations, they will have tweaked the design.
Thanks for watching 😁👍
Yes you have a point. Difficult when using gloves. But just back from a trip to Norway, Vesteralen. Nice place by the way. And didn't have problems but removed the gloves to change lenses. You can give a little more space if needed. Have one Atoll and 3 Sunway’s now. The Sunway’s have a longer Arca-Swiss base (for the balhead fixation). The Atoll is easier to go from horizontal position to vertical by feeling a click. This is more difficult to feel on the Sunway’s. But the change from horizontal to vertical position is a little stiff on the Sunway's you don’t even have to tight the collar.
ps, like to watch your video's very well made
Have you tried the FALCAM F22 from Ulanzy?
No I haven't but I'll have to check it out. 😁👍
@@mikesphotography L bracket , but the cage work the same, The bad he have a quick release on it (F32) not compatible with capture v3 from PD. But compatible with her branded "capture" clip- F38 backpack camera clip. and a almost clone of the pd tripod :)
Can you not just use a general use L bracket like a pig iron and use it the wrong way - the vertical piece on the grip side?
Yes you can, there are many ways to get the same results Ken, and this is the great thing with photography!
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@@mikesphotography really enjoying your content.
Without holding it to know for sure, I’m concerned with how your setup would negatively impact the ergonomics of the left hand that’s supposed to support the lens when hand holding.
That's a good question Josh. I don't have a problem with it and after switching between the a7iii and the a7iv when I used them both together, it didn't seem to get in the way for me.
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I prefer the new SmallRig Rotatable Horizontal-to-Vertical Mount Plate Kit for Sony α7R V / α7 IV / α7S III / α7R IV 4148
That's interesting, so it looks like they've copied the Atoll kickstarter project then ... 🤔
I would use a Dremel tool to cut off the parts of the bracket in the way.
Thanks for your thoughts Jeremy
Not affiliated with them in any way, I'm just a huge fan of their products but ProMediaGear makes a great L bracket for cameras with flip screens. As a bonus, it provides a nice handle for hand-held shooting.
Now I'm even more happy I skipped the a7Iv for the a7V, which will have both a flippy and a tilt screen🙂
It'll be good when that system is on all Sony cameras! 👍
@@mikesphotography Yes! I might buy the perpetual license of Capture One when it has got the a7V profile, plus two new lenses, and then never get new lenses or a camera. Just made the following comment on another platform: "Good advice, but as I understand it, the high distortion on new lenses is a result of being so small. The Tamron 35-150 mm f2-2.8 has almost no distortion or vignetting, but it's so huge. That's why I wait for the rumored version of a constant f2.8 aperture, but I expect it to have high distortion, to make it smaller. But I could buy the current Tamron 35-150 mm plus the small Sony 40 mm f2.5 when I need something discrete. If I add these two lenses, I would have everything I need forever, I think. And then I could get the perpetual license after the a7V is released, with the new ingenious flippy screen and 8 stops of IBIS."
Try the Atoll camera mount.Could be the end of L-brackets…..
The Atoll is useful if it fits your camera and lenses, but it often fouls the buttons on the camera front and bigger lenses won’t fit. Then you end up having to remove the Atoll to attach a tele lens with its tripod foot. Unless they make some serious improvements the Atoll is not going to be the end of lens mounts. My Atoll now lives in the drawer.
@@stewartlogie that’s why I said “could be” …. all brackets and mounts have draw backs,and working on a tripod is a faff in general….
@@martinpickard5818 Yes, always a compromise. How has your experience been with the Atoll?
@@stewartlogie for me it works ok with the lenses I use.I do like to use telephoto lenses though ie 100-400 so for that purpose it’s a pain.I generally don’t like the look of it but like I said tripods in general are not fun.It is easier and quicker than an L-bracket and for me if they could make a few minor tweaks it could be a brilliant bit of kit.
Amazin I+D job... Now i know that flip screens are a nuisance.....
Haha! They do increase the challenges in using an L-bracket thats for sure.
As always thanks for watching JC 😁👍
Wouldn't it be good if camera manufacturers built the arca-swis grooves directly into the camera body, along the bottom and up the side.
SmallRig has a new one "Foldable L-shape Mount Plate for Sony Alpha A7RV / A7RIV / A7SIII" Amazon $58 and fast delivery vs from SmallRig China site $68 2 weeks. Whoopee!!!! Finally Oh! and a lever to move so access to Battery compartment! Now FUN, FUN!!
It does look like a great idea!!
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Am i being blind? Wheres the links in the description to these items?
Hi Ade,
I am so rubbish at putting the links in there and completely forgot. 🤦🏻♂️
When I get back home later today I'll send you the links in this comment.
Sorry about that and thanks for letting me know. 😁👍
Don't take your gloves off... they are so cool! I want a pair of those 🤣🤣🤣
Haha! There should be a link in the description. 😁👍
@@mikesphotography Yes! As soon as I saw it, I put it on my cart on Amazon 🤣🤣🤣. Many thanks.
Nothing for EOS R :(
Unfortunately I don't shoot with Canon cameras... if UA-cam paid any decent amounts of money, I'd have each and every camera out there but in reality they pay peanuts... so I can only use the one or two cameras that I have.
Thanks for watching anyway 👍
Do your research properly pal. the American manufacturer Promedia Gear make one that allows 100% movement of the flip screen (which is what I was looking for) so I’m going to order that. There are a couple of videos by your fellow UA-camrs even fully demonstrating this and it looks brilliant. Not cheap but as we know you get what you pay for (usually).
Thanks for your thoughts Adrian.
I've seen the pro media gear one and yes, you're right, it does keep out of the way of the flippy screen, but it is very big and bulky... Might as well buy a Nikon DSLR and go back to big and heavy rigs again if you're going to go for that one.
Getting a huge bracket on a small camera is not really a great workaround.
@@mikesphotography hmmm a reasonable point Mike and you have made me pause to think a bit …. A lighter less bulky version of the promedia bracket would be ideal !
@@adrianbattersby9584 No worries, it's sometimes good to see what is out there and how the different ones perform against each other ... but really hard to do that in practice.
I actually have a video coming out this week or next ... depending on when it is ready ... where I have bought and tested a whole load of different brackets, including the collar ring, the folding bracket, a universal bracket and a few others to see what is actually out there ... and the problems associated with them ... and the rotating collar has quite a big issue, that no one has really talked about.
smallrig make a better solution to this... a rotating collar
The rotating collar has a huge flaw ... I have one and it surprised me massively.
I'll be doing a video on it really soon...
Your flippy counter got stuck at the end 😥
Haha!! I think my editing brain had switched off at that point ... either that or it broke!! 😆🙈
@@mikesphotography Well, either way, hope you can get it fixed 😄
or just buy one that does fit, there loads
Thanks for your feedback
Why use L-brackets at all? IMHO, I'd rather use a panorama ball head on my tripod...
It's just a different way to shoot from a tripod and that's the great thing with photography, there are many ways to get the same result.
Thanks for watching 😁👍
Am i the only one to feel like the Sony A7III is realy laggy ?
By laggy, what are you comparing it to?
@@mikesphotography just in general. changing the focus point position with the joystick is probably the worst. Some time while shooting if I want to re adjust it it takes more that a second to react. I missed few shots due to that. I’m waiting for Sony to borrow me the A7RV to see if this is different
Here is a solution that many people forget about, pair your phone to your camera, and leave the screen in place. Use L bracket. Put phone on a mount on Hot shoe -- this works very for a lot of scenes because you can see your image and even tap to control some settings.
All this is solved with the Atoll collar. It is awesome. I removed my L bracket and now use it. It allows you to change between portrait and landscape without removing the camera from the tripod. It has clicking spots to ensure 90, 180, … degrees. It clears anything obstructing your ports or flip screen. It allows you easier connection to peak design capture clips. It is awesome. I wish I had it 10 years ago.
Great to hear you are getting on with the Atoll collar mount.
I did read a few comments here that the lens release button was covered up a little by it ... I also see that smallrig have copied it as well.
Thanks for the tip 😁👍