I think she has the omega level power potential. Not only does she create sentient life on multiple occasions but she tran-mutates matter. Turning a dress made of 1 set of materials into a completely different dress made out of other materials. She might have the ability to alter reality and doesn't know it. The fact that she chooses snow might be due to her as a kid having a little sister that wanted a snow man. The fact that she can turn everything back to summer in an instant further supports this theory. Had else been in the marvel universe and not Disney she might have had an alternate time/store where she ends up something closer to Franklin Richards than an ice queen.
Wow, that's a really cool thought. Though I most agree with her definitely being Omega level. There are plenty of Omega level mutants who lived there lives without ever finding till much later of there true power. It could be the phycological scars of Anna's heart being accidentally frozen and her parents habitual external/parental pressure to keep her power contained that swayed her form using them in other ways.
@@WannabeWryter Mutants can be magic. Case in point Magik who's power was literally connected to a magical realm. Same for Nightcrawler. Also notice how both of them have the potential to be sorcerers also. Nightcrawler in another dimension, but 616 Magik is actively a sorceress. Likewise we have Wanda Maximoff whom is also a sorceress and mutant.
@@andresanguianozuniga6798 Storm is also an example of a magical mutant; and one with comparable weather control powers that are at least equal to Elsa's in terms of control over ice and snow, but also more than equal in terms of other elements. Even once we take into consideration Frozen 2 (tho Elsa did become much stronger in it), i still dont think Elsa is on par with Storm; who is an Omega Level Mutant. Storm can literally manipulate space weather; that is quite a high level feat to compare to.
While I think you're ultimately right here (I'd class Elsa as powerful but not Omega level) I do think there's a slight disanalogy in your comparison here. When comparing Iceman's hell freezing feat to Elsa freezing a city you're comparing Ice Man's intentional use of his powers (to a point that it exhausted him) with the subconscious effects of Elsa's. Elsa is shown to not even realise that she's frozen Arendale, suggesting that she is powerful enough to have done this (and to sustain it potentially indefinitely since heat will still be coming in from outside) entirely effortlessly. Now there's perhaps an argument to be made that she would have noticed over the long term, or that her lack of realisation was just because the effort of using her powers was less than the effort she used to suppress them the entire rest of her life, but that's something we don't really have evidence for either way. However you slice it, it's her most impressive feat, but it's clearly not the limit of her power. Again, I stilly don't think she qualifies as Omega level, even with this allowance, I just thought it was an interesting thought. In generally a pretty good video all around
There is also the point that Iceman continuously trained his powers to such a state while Elsa only suppressed and was much more powerful starting off than Iceman and doing stuff like creating living golems without knowing that even Iceman cannot do. Her powers so far seem to be lock within the domain of winter and ice but within that domain she is either omega level or pretty darn close, and that is pretty scary considering that she has had no training with her powers save in suppression and maybe subtle control. A somewhat good comparison is with Articuno from pokemon. She is essentially a weaker Articuno and Articuno has absolute control over ice, which iceman has very little chance or hope in winning that matchup.
@MR X and your point? His is not limited to a domain and season like Elsa is. His power is due to training and it is very impressive. The golems are due to what he imprints onto them.
@MR X mortality has nothing to do with being omega level or. Even the greatest of wizards who can destroy iceman without much care, were mortals. They died, like all living beings must, including Iceman. Iceman's power comes from freezing water and manipulating that ice. Everything else is just an extension of that, even the ice golems who after a while of automony did gain sentience. The omnipresence thing was due to outside influence and was temporarily, it's not normally within his capabilities and even then he wasn't everywhere at once, he could just make every water molecule an extension of himself and relay information that way. Elsa from the get go was leagues beyond his capabilities. He only reached that point and surpassed it with lots and lots of training. Elsa has had no training, and even then she trapped her country in an eternal winter, created an ice castle that responds to her very will and whim, and did the living ice golem trick by complete accident and didn't even realize nor know about it's existence, and then there is the whole freezing the heart deal with her sister and that the ice sculpture she turned into couldn't be broken with force. All this without any form of training or even experimentation of her power. Within her domain of winter and ice, she is either omega level or very well close to it. Omega level refers to potential rather than power anyway and Elsa not only has a much higher ceiling from the beginning than Iceman but her power can extend well beyond the physical plain and into the realm of concepts. Something that Iceman's power can't do as it is tied to the physical world. And he needs water to do it, she does not. Also she undid her eternal winter and any and all ill effects done by it as it never happened. That's something Iceman can't do.
@MR X like I said, mortality doesn't have anything to do with being an omega level or not. Every living being dies, the soul lives on. Elsa struck her kingdom in eternal winter which included freezing all the waters within and around her kingdom. Iceman doesn't teleport, he merely deconstructs and then reconstructs at his desired location. He can't go absolute zero either. His ability is the freezing of water and the manipulation of that, not complete temperature manipulation which is in turn controlling the flow of energy and energy manipulation. All of which is not within his power to do so. He can come pretty darn close though with the difference being immaterial. It might as well be absolute Zero which is cold enough to hold light in place. But he was able to get to those levels through training. Elsa however was already leagues above him to begin with and has no such training or even mere experimentation with her powers. Her powers are also not limited to the physical plain and does not require water, unlike Iceman whose powers are limited to the physical plain and needs water. Iceman was also temporarily boosted by sn outside force. The guy in the video even pointed that out. Omega level is determined by potential, not power anyway, and and from what she has shown from absolutely no training whatsoever, her potential is greater than Iceman's, especially when he was starting out. Within her domain of winter and ice, she is either omega level or pretty darn close.
Now that we know that Elsa is the representation of the elemental Ice spirit, we can speculate further. She is pure Ice at a molecular level. Given proper time and training, I don't see why she wouldn't top Iceman. Only one thing though: she is a Disney princess, so I'm not sure if "combat" would ever be her speciality. But since she has declined the crown, she has become a kind of protector to the realm. I can see Elsa starting to get close to where Iceman is in her late 20s early 30s.
I have a lot to catch up on before I could play it. Good thing that I'm sometimes playing Kingdom Hearts Final Mix as part of "The Story So Far" bundle.
Elsa kind of seems like the lovechild of Iceman and Scarlet Witch: much like Wanda, she has insanely powerful innate powers that seem to come from a magical source and seem very difficult to control, leading to disaster as often as they help.
HISHE did a pretty funny take on Elsa in the X-men *Elsa, Storm, Rogue, and Nightcrawler singing Let It Go. Wolverine walks in. They stop* Wolverine: *inhales* 🎶HERE I AM, AND MY CLAWS ARE GRAY!🎶 *grabs Storm* 🎶THIS GIRL’S NAMED STORM!!!!🎶 *points at Iceman* Iceman: *annoyed* 🎶Obviously ice doesn’t bother me🎶
I wonder what kind of role Prof. Charlie Xavier would have in a medieval setting. Possibly an abbot at a monastery that helps gifted people learn to use their gifts for the betterment of humanity. The church was the main source of education in medieval Europe, after all, so I can see Xavier entering the clergy.
not just a good video of Iceman and Elsa but finally a video that actually gave me a pretty well defined definition of what an Omega level mutant actually is so thanks for that!
@@WannabeWryter So, like Storm? Who is literally a magic based mutant who is also a literal divinity? If Storm is a mutant while derivin her powers firstmost from sorcery and secondly from being worshiped then I think Elsa's powers comin from magic doesnt make her any less mutant capable. Like, not arguin her power lvl; but she is clearly akin to many magical mutants.
(Technically a Kingdom Hearts spoiler) I wonder how it would have gone if Elsa had joined in combat during KH3? Sora's keyblade magic amplifies the physical and magical abilities of those around him to be able to do nigh impossible feats. It'd probably be too OP...
When the sword breaks there is diamond dust all around (the very moisture in the air frozen). Given what we know about the conditions (pre-industrial and a relatively fresh aired place), it would need to be damn near -40° for diamond dust to form and to be relatively static in the air like that. That's around the cold shortness of steel sword from around the time the movie would be set in (the point at which the steel transitions from ductile to brittle and has a tendency to break or shatter). Which would mean her ice wasn't necessarily that strong so much as the sword became weak. Just cooling down that rapidly would cause many micro fractures in the steel. At which point as little as a flick of a finger against it could shatter it.
I'm waiting for the Story to come where Nightcrawler gets re-written into being Omega level. I imagine it could say something like he eventually gains more control over his bamfs and can not only summon obedient demons of various sizes and uses from the other realm, but can use them to time travel as well as use them surgically to remove and replace specific gaps around him. For example, if someone rips out his heart, he can teleport their stabbing arm away and at the same time replace his heart and body missing with a compatible substitute. He also would be able to use it to Teleport away a wall or object he touches, and possibly even make a continual bampf that can rip holes in the universe like a little black hole. I feel like as long as Marvel takes a break long enough from Universal-wide Event Crossovers, that it will eventually happen. Then I think Jubilee or Beast might be next. I'm not sure how it will be done... but it will be done! (Jublilee gets her powers back only to discover that her little sparklers are actually miniature stars and if she holds onto them long enough she can make gravity manipulating giants at various distances, or Beast's mutations advance so far that it is discovered he is genetically connected to every animal including aliens which give him... I don't know, maybe he just becomes so blue that it is incomprehensible and the universe cracks around him)
@@sathrielsatanson666 no it doesn't. Comics runs on a very particular brand of stupid. Like say if he pulls a Magik and can teleport through time, then yeah. But the demons stuff is silly and at odds with what you want out of Kurt's powers and personality.
@@maymay5600 , no. Azazel is just a mutant that was banished to another dimension. He's a spellcaster, but unlike Mephisto or any of the other hell lords, he isn't actually a demon. Just a being that used the mythology around demons to his advantage.
@@LupineShadowOmega oh damn, you know what's funny though? i have a character in my story who is dracula but it was later revealed by him, that he used the name dracula and in actuality, he got turned into a vampire and used the name dracula when the reign of dracula was going on around, but question if he's a mutant? what did he get banished for?
This video reminded me of the theory that Olaf would die when Elsa died because she couldn’t generate the flurry, but this made me realize that her ice creations are autonomous so the flurry is probably autonomous as well, meaning Olaf will watch Elsa die
The 1 thing that she can do that Iceman can’t, from what I remember is creating life. The closet, that I know of, that Bobby did would be making a lot of clones of himself and maybe future Iceman making the Iceman golem thing
I loved this video... I always enjoy all your content obviously but in this one I loved especially the passion with which you explain an otherwise "silly" topic. More videos like this one and less videos full of spoilers 😁
I wonder if Elsa can also create dry ice. In that case, she can be incredibly powerful if she decides to use her powers to fight someone. Dry ice is as scarring to the skin as fire.
You’d need the element of surprise to kill her. Your best bet would be a sniper shot of some kind. If she knows you’re there then you need to disengage and retreat as quickly as possible. It could also help to keep her in a confined space. Especially if you set up some type of trap where she gets stuck and you detonate some high explosives...
First off I need to understand that Elsa is Disney character 🙀she wasn't created to fight and kill and stuff.. on the other hand iceman from marvel was created to fight.. so it's unfair to compare them. But talking about raw potential and power, Elsa is in league of her own. At the age when iceman was creating snowflakes to impress his crush, she created living entities, put an entire kingdom and huge part of sea under eternal winter, created a castle made of ice while just dancing. If tat isn't Omega level.. idk what is!
Yup! Should be updated since Frozen 2 has been released. Nothing as powerful as ice man.. but sure she stopped a tsunami and her powers are generally stronger
That quote for when Iceman learned how to become ice instd of just snowman is just gold level quality and exactly what you expect from comics, esp comics of a certain age. "**Excellent! By increasing your degree of cold, your body becomes even **more** icy, making you almost transparent!" By increasing your degree of cold? xD What?
I would say that Elsa's powers are more magic based and therefore can't be a mutant. That said, omega level at this point is more of a general power scale for all super powers than just mutants. Besides, this isn't the first time someone thought of Elsa joining the Xmen and make them all sing much to Icemans's annoyance
Well, you brought up some valid points there, Drake. I mean, there is a possible chance that Elsa could get as powerful as Iceman. However, she's going to have to go through some extensive self-training to get to those intense Omega levels that Bobby is currently standing at. I mean, she's still most likely learning how to be comfortable with her Ice powers, but she still has those subtle hints of hesitation. So, in other words, I'm guessing that whatever happens in the Frozen 2 trailer must have been intense enough for her to be in the mindset of "Okay, I can't just keep holding myself back if my loved ones in danger (Or something similar imo), I need to get really serious and not hold back on my powers." But hey, that's just my personal theory honestly.
The whole theory kinda falls apart when you mention the Rock Trolls. They knew all about her powers and how to control them. Even detailing them as magic. When they mentioned true love as the way to fix the cold blast's effect, it actually worked so they clearly knew what they were saying unlike the Duke that just called it Sorcery.
@@sathrielsatanson666 True, but while their powers were called magic, they still had a constant nature to them. Elsa can stop winter just by loving her sister. That sort of connection to her abilities is more magical in nature than biological.
Xander M wasn’t M-Day undone when Wanda watched Pietro or someone close to her die and she shouted “No more Mutants”? In an instant? The trolls could have meant that love acts kind of like an mental emergency shutdown button or something. Elsa cannot reverse the damage she does on her own volition, but the right stimulus, such as love, flips a switch.
OK... one concentrated burst of ice in order to freeze hell is not comparable to a weeks long winter during full summer. We are talking about full on winter at multiple altitudes. Not only that, but the winter is consistent and self perpetuating, not requiring her constant effort to maintain. Hell, it doesn't even make her tired. Oh, and she did it without real training. I would make a "one shot and spent" joke at this point, but hey, I just did. At what point does what she can do NOT show unlimited potential.
Bobby has had a lot more training and fought bad guys that make him have to break his limit constantly. Elsa is living in a nice secluded fjord in Norway. She might have unlimited potential but she just hasn't been put to the test as much as Bobby has.
As a kid to cope with my sister watching frozen on repeat, I always liked to think that elsa was a mutant. Just to plug out the 5 thousandth time I had heard “let it go.”
Elsa had no training and was still way more powerful than iceman was after a long while of training, but not as powerful as iceman was going to be later in life. We know that Elsa's power just rises as she ages, and training would have made her infinitely better at fighting. The definition of potential is the ability to gain power I think Elsa has more potential, in the sense that Elsa with x-years of training would be stronger than iceman with x-years of practice So with no practise and only 18 years old she is only country-level but i believe she would be an omega level in the end, because she has unlimited power, seriously, we never see her be tired or get a glimpse of limit to her power.
Watched Frozen 2. It's confirmed that Elsa's power is indeed magical and can control all 4 elementals Avatar style. She summoned and controlled supernatural spirit beings. She was able to see the past, present, and the future. Also, she can resurrect golems with their most recent memory and previous spirit. Turns out her sister actually died in the 1st movie. She was disintegrated. All her atoms were replaced with crystallized H2O molecules. Then Elsa actually reconstructed her flesh/body and reattached her soul/memories. In the 2nd movie Elsa was disintegrated in similar fashion, then she was able to reconstruct her body out of nothing like Dr. Manhattan. So yeah. Her powers are now Dr. Manhattan level... Also, it seems she's actually a God something like Phoenix Force... Or Jesus.
Jesus Christ, the level of power they've given Bobby is way past ridiculous. I really don't like it when they do that sort of thing. It feels like writers letting their inner fanboy out and rather than making the characters more interesting they make them more powerful.
bobby freezing a portion of hell is not that impressive after all the ninth circle of hell is ice, likewise the third circle is buffeted by a constant icy rain. only the 4th, 6th and 7th circles are hot(four is a pot of smelting gold, six being the infamous flaming pit, and seven being a pool of boiling blood)
I immediately thought elsa was omega level when she did that thing where she could read the memories of a location using ice? That's like telepathy sorta?
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I think she has the omega level power potential. Not only does she create sentient life on multiple occasions but she tran-mutates matter. Turning a dress made of 1 set of materials into a completely different dress made out of other materials. She might have the ability to alter reality and doesn't know it. The fact that she chooses snow might be due to her as a kid having a little sister that wanted a snow man. The fact that she can turn everything back to summer in an instant further supports this theory. Had else been in the marvel universe and not Disney she might have had an alternate time/store where she ends up something closer to Franklin Richards than an ice queen.
She dosent she laces it with stylish ice
Wow, that's a really cool thought. Though I most agree with her definitely being Omega level. There are plenty of Omega level mutants who lived there lives without ever finding till much later of there true power. It could be the phycological scars of Anna's heart being accidentally frozen and her parents habitual external/parental pressure to keep her power contained that swayed her form using them in other ways.
If she was added to the Marvel Comics Universe she'd be more magic then mutant.
@@WannabeWryter Mutants can be magic. Case in point Magik who's power was literally connected to a magical realm. Same for Nightcrawler. Also notice how both of them have the potential to be sorcerers also. Nightcrawler in another dimension, but 616 Magik is actively a sorceress. Likewise we have Wanda Maximoff whom is also a sorceress and mutant.
Good to know that someones out there answering the questions that we all secretly want answered!
Even if she isn’t a mutant she can still be a Omega Level Threat
If she was added to marvel she'd be a magic based character.
@@andresanguianozuniga6798 Eh, still a cool concept.
@@andresanguianozuniga6798 Storm is also an example of a magical mutant; and one with comparable weather control powers that are at least equal to Elsa's in terms of control over ice and snow, but also more than equal in terms of other elements.
Even once we take into consideration Frozen 2 (tho Elsa did become much stronger in it), i still dont think Elsa is on par with Storm; who is an Omega Level Mutant. Storm can literally manipulate space weather; that is quite a high level feat to compare to.
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While I think you're ultimately right here (I'd class Elsa as powerful but not Omega level) I do think there's a slight disanalogy in your comparison here. When comparing Iceman's hell freezing feat to Elsa freezing a city you're comparing Ice Man's intentional use of his powers (to a point that it exhausted him) with the subconscious effects of Elsa's. Elsa is shown to not even realise that she's frozen Arendale, suggesting that she is powerful enough to have done this (and to sustain it potentially indefinitely since heat will still be coming in from outside) entirely effortlessly.
Now there's perhaps an argument to be made that she would have noticed over the long term, or that her lack of realisation was just because the effort of using her powers was less than the effort she used to suppress them the entire rest of her life, but that's something we don't really have evidence for either way. However you slice it, it's her most impressive feat, but it's clearly not the limit of her power.
Again, I stilly don't think she qualifies as Omega level, even with this allowance, I just thought it was an interesting thought. In generally a pretty good video all around
There is also the point that Iceman continuously trained his powers to such a state while Elsa only suppressed and was much more powerful starting off than Iceman and doing stuff like creating living golems without knowing that even Iceman cannot do. Her powers so far seem to be lock within the domain of winter and ice but within that domain she is either omega level or pretty darn close, and that is pretty scary considering that she has had no training with her powers save in suppression and maybe subtle control. A somewhat good comparison is with Articuno from pokemon. She is essentially a weaker Articuno and Articuno has absolute control over ice, which iceman has very little chance or hope in winning that matchup.
@MR X and your point? His is not limited to a domain and season like Elsa is. His power is due to training and it is very impressive. The golems are due to what he imprints onto them.
@MR X mortality has nothing to do with being omega level or. Even the greatest of wizards who can destroy iceman without much care, were mortals. They died, like all living beings must, including Iceman. Iceman's power comes from freezing water and manipulating that ice. Everything else is just an extension of that, even the ice golems who after a while of automony did gain sentience. The omnipresence thing was due to outside influence and was temporarily, it's not normally within his capabilities and even then he wasn't everywhere at once, he could just make every water molecule an extension of himself and relay information that way. Elsa from the get go was leagues beyond his capabilities. He only reached that point and surpassed it with lots and lots of training. Elsa has had no training, and even then she trapped her country in an eternal winter, created an ice castle that responds to her very will and whim, and did the living ice golem trick by complete accident and didn't even realize nor know about it's existence, and then there is the whole freezing the heart deal with her sister and that the ice sculpture she turned into couldn't be broken with force. All this without any form of training or even experimentation of her power. Within her domain of winter and ice, she is either omega level or very well close to it. Omega level refers to potential rather than power anyway and Elsa not only has a much higher ceiling from the beginning than Iceman but her power can extend well beyond the physical plain and into the realm of concepts. Something that Iceman's power can't do as it is tied to the physical world. And he needs water to do it, she does not. Also she undid her eternal winter and any and all ill effects done by it as it never happened. That's something Iceman can't do.
@MR X like I said, mortality doesn't have anything to do with being an omega level or not. Every living being dies, the soul lives on. Elsa struck her kingdom in eternal winter which included freezing all the waters within and around her kingdom. Iceman doesn't teleport, he merely deconstructs and then reconstructs at his desired location. He can't go absolute zero either. His ability is the freezing of water and the manipulation of that, not complete temperature manipulation which is in turn controlling the flow of energy and energy manipulation. All of which is not within his power to do so. He can come pretty darn close though with the difference being immaterial. It might as well be absolute Zero which is cold enough to hold light in place. But he was able to get to those levels through training. Elsa however was already leagues above him to begin with and has no such training or even mere experimentation with her powers. Her powers are also not limited to the physical plain and does not require water, unlike Iceman whose powers are limited to the physical plain and needs water. Iceman was also temporarily boosted by sn outside force. The guy in the video even pointed that out. Omega level is determined by potential, not power anyway, and and from what she has shown from absolutely no training whatsoever, her potential is greater than Iceman's, especially when he was starting out. Within her domain of winter and ice, she is either omega level or pretty darn close.
@MR X I just find it amusing that you are arguing that one fictional character can NEVER be as powerful as another fictional character.
So, I'm not the only one thinking about this. yay.
You aren't, because HISHE did one where Charles Xavier shows up and has Elsa join the Xavier Institute.
I didn't know about that.
If she was added to the Marvel Comics Universe she'd be more magic then mutant.
Clearly Drake is omega level seeing as he went from play kh3 on ps4 to playing n64 in less then a second.
Now that we know that Elsa is the representation of the elemental Ice spirit, we can speculate further. She is pure Ice at a molecular level. Given proper time and training, I don't see why she wouldn't top Iceman. Only one thing though: she is a Disney princess, so I'm not sure if "combat" would ever be her speciality. But since she has declined the crown, she has become a kind of protector to the realm. I can see Elsa starting to get close to where Iceman is in her late 20s early 30s.
Ayyy Drake plays Kingdom hearts 3!
I have a lot to catch up on before I could play it. Good thing that I'm sometimes playing Kingdom Hearts Final Mix as part of "The Story So Far" bundle.
Elsa kind of seems like the lovechild of Iceman and Scarlet Witch: much like Wanda, she has insanely powerful innate powers that seem to come from a magical source and seem very difficult to control, leading to disaster as often as they help.
The reason Elsa is an omega mutant is mostly due to-*THIS LOOKS LIKE A GOOD SPOT TO FIND SOME INGREDIENTS*
I get that reference 😉
HISHE did a pretty funny take on Elsa in the X-men
*Elsa, Storm, Rogue, and Nightcrawler singing Let It Go. Wolverine walks in. They stop*
Wolverine: *inhales* 🎶HERE I AM, AND MY CLAWS ARE GRAY!🎶 *grabs Storm* 🎶THIS GIRL’S NAMED STORM!!!!🎶
*points at Iceman*
Iceman: *annoyed* 🎶Obviously ice doesn’t bother me🎶
ComicDrake is that buddy that was a real good friend in high school and real nice too
them: when hell freezes over
me: shows that panel where bobby froze hell
'you ever wonder if elsa is an omega level mutant'
HISHE predicted it first XD
ith WandaVision bringing in Fox's mutants, I hope Elsa appears too, just as her animated self among all other humans in MCU
“You ever wonder if Elsa is an Omega level a Mutant.”
No, no I don’t.
I wonder what kind of role Prof. Charlie Xavier would have in a medieval setting. Possibly an abbot at a monastery that helps gifted people learn to use their gifts for the betterment of humanity. The church was the main source of education in medieval Europe, after all, so I can see Xavier entering the clergy.
I love how he explained away an animation error by making it a power *chefs kiss*
ok maybe not Omega level, but still pretty impresive for someone who hasn't mastered her ice powers
not just a good video of Iceman and Elsa but finally a video that actually gave me a pretty well defined definition of what an Omega level mutant actually is so thanks for that!
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For those who want to see Elsa as a Omega level mutant...
JUST LET IT GO !!.
If she was added to the Marvel Comics Universe she'd be more magic then mutant.
@@WannabeWryter So, like Storm? Who is literally a magic based mutant who is also a literal divinity? If Storm is a mutant while derivin her powers firstmost from sorcery and secondly from being worshiped then I think Elsa's powers comin from magic doesnt make her any less mutant capable.
Like, not arguin her power lvl; but she is clearly akin to many magical mutants.
After seeing Frozen ll, i think shes an omega level mutant now, i mean like she can see the past, an elements, and has her own place now-
@@nyes4596 This indeed.
@@SylviaRustyFae 😀
(Technically a Kingdom Hearts spoiler) I wonder how it would have gone if Elsa had joined in combat during KH3? Sora's keyblade magic amplifies the physical and magical abilities of those around him to be able to do nigh impossible feats. It'd probably be too OP...
Well I mean, Marshmallow is an extension of her power, does he not count?
In the kh 3 cutscene she 1 shoots a heartless.... So if we take that to be true she has some high stats
@@666kenrinoThat really doesn't mean anything. Even Aerith could destroy a heartless if she really wanted to.
@@666kenrino In fact it's implied Areith held back waves of digital heartless spawned by the MPC, a feat far exceeding Elsa's.
When the sword breaks there is diamond dust all around (the very moisture in the air frozen). Given what we know about the conditions (pre-industrial and a relatively fresh aired place), it would need to be damn near -40° for diamond dust to form and to be relatively static in the air like that. That's around the cold shortness of steel sword from around the time the movie would be set in (the point at which the steel transitions from ductile to brittle and has a tendency to break or shatter). Which would mean her ice wasn't necessarily that strong so much as the sword became weak. Just cooling down that rapidly would cause many micro fractures in the steel. At which point as little as a flick of a finger against it could shatter it.
I appreciate a man with a sleeved Frozen comic.
I would argue since her powers are magic based that she would be classified as a sorceress ala scarlet witch or doctor strange
I really liked how you performed exceptional research on both Elsa and Iceman and comparing/contrasting them. -adds to Favorites list-
Man, this is a pretty COOL video, with some ICE work put into it, I even learned a few things about ice man that I could have MIST.
I'm waiting for the Story to come where Nightcrawler gets re-written into being Omega level. I imagine it could say something like he eventually gains more control over his bamfs and can not only summon obedient demons of various sizes and uses from the other realm, but can use them to time travel as well as use them surgically to remove and replace specific gaps around him.
For example, if someone rips out his heart, he can teleport their stabbing arm away and at the same time replace his heart and body missing with a compatible substitute. He also would be able to use it to Teleport away a wall or object he touches, and possibly even make a continual bampf that can rip holes in the universe like a little black hole. I feel like as long as Marvel takes a break long enough from Universal-wide Event Crossovers, that it will eventually happen.
Then I think Jubilee or Beast might be next. I'm not sure how it will be done... but it will be done! (Jublilee gets her powers back only to discover that her little sparklers are actually miniature stars and if she holds onto them long enough she can make gravity manipulating giants at various distances, or Beast's mutations advance so far that it is discovered he is genetically connected to every animal including aliens which give him... I don't know, maybe he just becomes so blue that it is incomprehensible and the universe cracks around him)
@Mike Burnsy It feels rigt on for comics then. Your point?
@@sathrielsatanson666 no it doesn't. Comics runs on a very particular brand of stupid. Like say if he pulls a Magik and can teleport through time, then yeah. But the demons stuff is silly and at odds with what you want out of Kurt's powers and personality.
isn't his father a literally demon though?
@@maymay5600 , no. Azazel is just a mutant that was banished to another dimension. He's a spellcaster, but unlike Mephisto or any of the other hell lords, he isn't actually a demon. Just a being that used the mythology around demons to his advantage.
@@LupineShadowOmega oh damn, you know what's funny though? i have a character in my story who is dracula but it was later revealed by him, that he used the name dracula and in actuality, he got turned into a vampire and used the name dracula when the reign of dracula was going on around, but question if he's a mutant? what did he get banished for?
This video reminded me of the theory that Olaf would die when Elsa died because she couldn’t generate the flurry, but this made me realize that her ice creations are autonomous so the flurry is probably autonomous as well, meaning Olaf will watch Elsa die
My headcannon is elsa is iceman’s distant ancestor
Oh man you should have waited until the second movie come out
The 1 thing that she can do that Iceman can’t, from what I remember is creating life. The closet, that I know of, that Bobby did would be making a lot of clones of himself and maybe future Iceman making the Iceman golem thing
I think creating fully sentient life is Omega-level worthy
I like this new editing style, it’s almost gentle. I’m not 100 on how to describe it
Great vid and all drake, but i better not get Spiderman and Elsa videos in my recommendations because of this.
I just watched this video and then Frozen 2 Official trailer and I think you seriously need to re-evaluate.
I loved this video... I always enjoy all your content obviously but in this one I loved especially the passion with which you explain an otherwise "silly" topic. More videos like this one and less videos full of spoilers 😁
I wonder if Elsa can also create dry ice. In that case, she can be incredibly powerful if she decides to use her powers to fight someone. Dry ice is as scarring to the skin as fire.
You’d need the element of surprise to kill her. Your best bet would be a sniper shot of some kind. If she knows you’re there then you need to disengage and retreat as quickly as possible.
It could also help to keep her in a confined space. Especially if you set up some type of trap where she gets stuck and you detonate some high explosives...
Ok, let’s see the updated video now that Frozen II is out.
I dunno Elsa has had zero training or experience. She may become stronger under the guidance of prof X
Finally, someone asking the hard hitting questions.
This is amazing. I just thought this. I’ve been watching you recently.
I looked up this question on Google and your video popped up
Still This Two Can Literally Make Sub Zero Look Like A Year 1 Student
They will go full hydrokinetic with her on Frozen 2, that's Omega for sure.
First off I need to understand that Elsa is Disney character 🙀she wasn't created to fight and kill and stuff.. on the other hand iceman from marvel was created to fight.. so it's unfair to compare them.
But talking about raw potential and power, Elsa is in league of her own. At the age when iceman was creating snowflakes to impress his crush, she created living entities, put an entire kingdom and huge part of sea under eternal winter, created a castle made of ice while just dancing.
If tat isn't Omega level.. idk what is!
Elsa froze more than the kingdom shes more powerful she can freeze the world if she wanted
Yup! Should be updated since Frozen 2 has been released. Nothing as powerful as ice man.. but sure she stopped a tsunami and her powers are generally stronger
That quote for when Iceman learned how to become ice instd of just snowman is just gold level quality and exactly what you expect from comics, esp comics of a certain age.
"**Excellent! By increasing your degree of cold, your body becomes even **more** icy, making you almost transparent!"
By increasing your degree of cold? xD What?
Only my man Drake can say Elsa is an x-men
Could you make a series out of the this? You know, taking characters from other franchises and talking about weather their omega level or not.
Elsa also creates ice teleport portal when she sings 'into the unknown'
Frozen 2 is out now and she’s wayyyyy stronger I’d say she’s not close to ice man but I’d say she’s omega level cuz she legit has unlimited potential
I would say that Elsa's powers are more magic based and therefore can't be a mutant. That said, omega level at this point is more of a general power scale for all super powers than just mutants. Besides, this isn't the first time someone thought of Elsa joining the Xmen and make them all sing much to Icemans's annoyance
Next Time On Frozen
Elsa Freezes all of Hell to retrieve her Parents' souls
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Well, you brought up some valid points there, Drake. I mean, there is a possible chance that Elsa could get as powerful as Iceman. However, she's going to have to go through some extensive self-training to get to those intense Omega levels that Bobby is currently standing at. I mean, she's still most likely learning how to be comfortable with her Ice powers, but she still has those subtle hints of hesitation.
So, in other words, I'm guessing that whatever happens in the Frozen 2 trailer must have been intense enough for her to be in the mindset of "Okay, I can't just keep holding myself back if my loved ones in danger (Or something similar imo), I need to get really serious and not hold back on my powers."
But hey, that's just my personal theory honestly.
Put that thing back where it came from or so help me
The whole theory kinda falls apart when you mention the Rock Trolls. They knew all about her powers and how to control them. Even detailing them as magic. When they mentioned true love as the way to fix the cold blast's effect, it actually worked so they clearly knew what they were saying unlike the Duke that just called it Sorcery.
Ilyana Rasputin? Scarlet Witch? Hello?
@@sathrielsatanson666 you missed Pixie, Selene, Madelyne Pryor, and Meggan as well.
@@sathrielsatanson666 True, but while their powers were called magic, they still had a constant nature to them. Elsa can stop winter just by loving her sister. That sort of connection to her abilities is more magical in nature than biological.
@@xanderm6090 Constant nature? I don't get what you mean so please explain what constant nature has rewriting history.
Xander M wasn’t M-Day undone when Wanda watched Pietro or someone close to her die and she shouted “No more Mutants”? In an instant? The trolls could have meant that love acts kind of like an mental emergency shutdown button or something. Elsa cannot reverse the damage she does on her own volition, but the right stimulus, such as love, flips a switch.
This is the research everyone expected. And it sure deserves many more views than it has now.
Guess you need to share it around. ;P
2 things I love : Disney and marvel
Before watching the video: I hope Drake talks about Frozone from The Incredibles.
After watching the video: OH COME ON
OK... one concentrated burst of ice in order to freeze hell is not comparable to a weeks long winter during full summer. We are talking about full on winter at multiple altitudes. Not only that, but the winter is consistent and self perpetuating, not requiring her constant effort to maintain. Hell, it doesn't even make her tired. Oh, and she did it without real training. I would make a "one shot and spent" joke at this point, but hey, I just did. At what point does what she can do NOT show unlimited potential.
U should do another with frozen 2 content... Elsa was pretty impressive !!!
After frozen 2 Elsa manage to control 4 spirit, earth, fire, wind, water also ice
Peachessky she's the fifth spirit technically
Fucking love the opening
If iceman is stronger than Elsa, does that mean that she cannot be an omega level? I mean, there could be a difference in power among omega levels???
Bobby has had a lot more training and fought bad guys that make him have to break his limit constantly. Elsa is living in a nice secluded fjord in Norway. She might have unlimited potential but she just hasn't been put to the test as much as Bobby has.
Since Disney owns Marvel does that mean, and this is just a theory, what if Iceman is a descendant of Elsa?
Hmm. Let's see
You really did it. You said let it go. 🤣
With frozen not being an action comic I doubt she'll be doing anything that crazy
>Opens with playing Kingdom Hearts 3 with an N64 controller
>Dearly Beloved playing in the background
Oh, this is gonna be one hell of a video.
As a kid to cope with my sister watching frozen on repeat, I always liked to think that elsa was a mutant. Just to plug out the 5 thousandth time I had heard “let it go.”
I liked and shared the video I did what I could
Chewbacca: *ROARS* (Vanitas!)
Han Solo: Vanitas!? Where?! *hits Vanitas*
*Vanitas falls into sarlacc pit*
Frozen 2 proved she STRONGER
Its like they saw this video lmao literally making her a frozen universe equivalent to a goddess
Elsa had no training and was still way more powerful than iceman was after a long while of training, but not as powerful as iceman was going to be later in life.
We know that Elsa's power just rises as she ages, and training would have made her infinitely better at fighting.
The definition of potential is the ability to gain power
I think Elsa has more potential, in the sense that Elsa with x-years of training would be stronger than iceman with x-years of practice
So with no practise and only 18 years old she is only country-level
but i believe she would be an omega level in the end, because she has unlimited power, seriously, we never see her be tired or get a glimpse of limit to her power.
True
I would say elsa is an alpha mutant with no training of her powers but at her peak she can be an omega mutant
Iceman had training Elsa suppressed her powers
Omg I bloody love this thank you Drake 💙💙
Elsa is low key a planet buster bros and thats low balling her😂
Is rapunzel an omega level mutant? She litterally revives the dead and has crazy healing powers
Let's just wait until she freezes Time Itself.
Watched Frozen 2. It's confirmed that Elsa's power is indeed magical and can control all 4 elementals Avatar style. She summoned and controlled supernatural spirit beings. She was able to see the past, present, and the future. Also, she can resurrect golems with their most recent memory and previous spirit. Turns out her sister actually died in the 1st movie. She was disintegrated. All her atoms were replaced with crystallized H2O molecules. Then Elsa actually reconstructed her flesh/body and reattached her soul/memories. In the 2nd movie Elsa was disintegrated in similar fashion, then she was able to reconstruct her body out of nothing like Dr. Manhattan. So yeah. Her powers are now Dr. Manhattan level... Also, it seems she's actually a God something like Phoenix Force... Or Jesus.
Jesus Christ, the level of power they've given Bobby is way past ridiculous. I really don't like it when they do that sort of thing. It feels like writers letting their inner fanboy out and rather than making the characters more interesting they make them more powerful.
"We had years of story to see his powers develop" should read "We had years of writer pulling crap from their ass". FTFY ;)
I'm sure the writers will pull a lot of crap from their asses for Elsa yet.
@@saulodoamordivino Prolly.
@@saulodoamordivino Just have to wait for the inevitable straight-to-streaming sequels :P
Oalf probably can't stay together under normal weather because he is made of snow rather than ice
The visual gag in the beginning really got my ass lmao
bobby freezing a portion of hell is not that impressive after all the ninth circle of hell is ice, likewise the third circle is buffeted by a constant icy rain. only the 4th, 6th and 7th circles are hot(four is a pot of smelting gold, six being the infamous flaming pit, and seven being a pool of boiling blood)
The frozen extended universe, damn does that mean you watched Once Upon A Time cause if you did oh boy
So Iceman is like a mutant Electro
I hope frozen 3 is testing her new powers like maybee she can turn into a spirit and just a bunch of snow flakes
I'll let it go. When Hell freezes over. Oh wait never mind.
I immediately thought elsa was omega level when she did that thing where she could read the memories of a location using ice? That's like telepathy sorta?
I know y'all hear that dearly beloved remix in the background
This is old now. Frozen two is out and Elsa is more powerful than ever.
Is...Drake playing Kingdom Hearts III with an N64 controller? That's hilarious