This was awesome....I love shooting TL but have yet to do a day to night...the LRTL tool seems really cool to try. I should have my MSM next week to work on using..love this stuff..THANKS for all your sharing..oh. And love the MacGyver analogy...👍🏻
@@sallymally6892 full star tracks at the star speed Half is literally half. Allows you to get a longer exposure with the foreground and sky in acceptable sharpness
Sony in electronic shutter mode doesn’t work, but it does indeed in mechanical shutter. With newer models as the A9 where there is an internal intervalometer it seems fine, but with older models as the A7Rii where there is not an internal intervalometer then it works only if you press the shutter, so you need and external intervalometer. I happen to have a LR pro timer. So I will be able to feed back on my experience with it in electronic shutter mode. Before I need to get the RTS 2.5 mm to RTS 2.5mm cable.
An Ah-Ha moment Alex using an LRTimelapse Pro Timer and will try it with my Timelaspe+VIEW as soon as my MSM arrives in a Night to Day timelapse with ramping mode. Also might look at using Sequator. Wish me luck and stay tuned 🤞
I noticed that the MSM rotator turns off after the second exposure if you set the interval time less than the shutter speed length. So if you're shooting 4sec exposures you need to set the interval to 8sec
I'm confused by the special setup required for mirrorless cameras. Is this a brand specific thing? Because my Sony A7III triggers the MSM perfectly fine after a shot in manual mode, I just need to switch 'the flash' on and use the mechanical shutter. (silent shooting does NOT trigger, but then the video also recommend to switch that off anyway). I've been doing timelapses like this for years, and never had a problem. This works both with the Sony internal intervalometer, or when I use an external intervalometer to trigger the camera. Trigger triggers camera, camera triggers MSM.
Two questions - do you have to use the MSM horizontally? Mine is always set up vertically...I don't seem to have the proper screw to set it up with my arca plate to be horizontal. What is a rotator ring? It is mentioned when talking about the LRTimelapse intervalometer... thank you
If it's vertical it will spin the camera vertically, so if that's what you're going for then vertical is fine. But horizontal is needed for left and right panning. The rotational plate is the elevated circle on the msm where you attach the ball head
Hi there have a quick question… with a heavy load ( my Sony 100-400) lens .. the system stayed stable except for the msm device rotating on the Swiss arcs plate … I screwed it in the msm as tight as I could … but it still swivels … I know it’s the weight of the system …. Do u have any suggestions re better Swiss arcs plate or system
I tried the MSM with my Canon EOS R and it works fine with the MSM’s supplied hot shoe connector and using an external Intervalometer to run the camera, just as you would a DSLR. Under Canon’s Camera Menu 2 > External Speedlite Control > Flash Firing has to be set to Enable, so the hot shoe is activated. If the hot shoe didn’t work, then a mirrorless camera couldn’t be used with a flash. But of course they work with flashes, and so they should work with the MSM for synchronized move-shoot-moves. I don’t wish to take away sales from Gunther’s wonderful little LRT Intervalometer - it’s a terrific device - but I can’t see that it’s needed just to make the MSM work as advertised, at least not with an EOS R. Just make sure the flash is enabled in the camera menu. But thanks for pointing out the potential problem. Sounds like it’s an issue with the R5 and R6 only, but I think people are getting the impression the MSM can’t work with any mirrorless camera. That’s not the case.
Great video and explanation. My issue is using the Nikon D850 and making the cable connection between the hotshoe and the MSM port it instructs buyers to turn Camera ON...the selection on the D850 is "greyed out!" Nikon is not going to help so I have to rely on users of the MSM. Any help please?
I haven't got my MSM yet but I already have my own intervalmeter (MIOPS) so buying the lrtimer would only cost extra. But what if I would use a Y-cable and trigger both the Olympus and the MSM at the same time? When I set the Olympus to wait for 2 seconds before taking the shot and set the delay long enough to take the picture before the next trigger is given... ?
@@chasingluminance Found one! Don't know if it will work until I have received it but. It was the only one I could find. Worst case scenario is that you'll (or me) need to connect the three cables yourself without splitter (not too hard to do either). www.amazon.de/gp/product/B006IDNKVO/ref=ox_sc_act_image_3?language=en_GB&psc=1&smid=A2X1ST6CC1USDW
My MSM works fine triggered by the hot shoe, if I let my external intervalometer control the shutter on my Canon EOS R. It does not work if I attempt to use the timelapse function of the EOS R. I'm not sure if that is normal.
Just buy two sets of pixel wireless timer remote control, use one transmitter to set your time lapse setting, connect one receiver to your camera to trigger the camera , and connect the 2nd receiver to the MSM rotator to trigger the rotator. make sure the transmitter and the 2 receivers are set on the same channel, and make sure you choose the right cable for your camera and the rotator when you buy the pixel wireless control. It work great on my Nikon Z7II and much cheaper than the LRTimelapse Pro Timer. The MSM hot shoe cable is working good on Nikon z 7 II as well.
Hi, have you tried this out successfully? Looking at this as an option for my Fuji XT-30. My current intervalometer gets out of sync very quickly unfortunately.
@@alanruizphotography if you have an old Yongnuo RF603-C trigger lying around, you can mount it to your Fujifilmx camera's hot shoe, then connect the MSM's hot shoe cable to the top of the Yongnuo hot shoe. This triggers the MSM rotator just fine. NOTE: these Yongnuo triggers are inexpensive and you can get them on eBay for a few by bucks but they are great. Just need to make for you get the RF603-C for Canon NOT the RF603-N for Nikon. The C version will work with the Fujifilm camera's hotshoe. Here's a link to one: www.amazon.com/dp/B00BBE2G6K/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_i_P0VEZR5HBD9DGPBCHY53
@@edgarcorrea so the YONGNUO trigger for Canon attaches to my Fuji hotshoe, then the MSM trigger cable plugs into the MSM and connects to the top of the trigger. I'm guessing I connect the trigger to the camera aux port also? And this works to move the MSM after each image is taken when doing a timelapse?
Thanks a lot for this video. I’ve got the msm and wanted to shoot an extended Milky Way timelapse up at Big Sky. Do you have thoughts on speed setting?
Nice that's a good solution! The LRTimelapse Timer thingy cost more than the MSM! 😆 It's been on my list of thingies to buy though! Tax refund is on the way! 😁
At 9:42 it sounded like he said, "...plug it in on the side exactly at i showed you in the other _____" part or port? These instructional videos would be so much better if they did less talking and more showing.🤓
@@originalBongoCat the doco says that is a 'sync' port for a slider. A slider is used to move the camera (and msm) to a different location ie move horizontal/vertical/diagonal rather than pan as performed by Alex on the tripod. So it works on the same principle of the MSM rotate the sync port causes a "side" also.
Very confusing video. Does this method assume you are using a particular brand of camera? Why does it matter if using a dslr or a mirroless camera? Why does it matter if using mechanical shutter or not? Why does it matter if flash is on or off? If a camera has a built in intervalometer, why do you need to add an external intervalometer? I guess maybe you are giving good advice, but it would be so much more helpful if you would explain WHY you need to do these things. The need for all these gymnastics really indicates the MSM time lapse function is NOT ready for prime time.
@@chasingluminance No, not really. Do you actually know the answers to any of those questions? If you want to be a youtube expert, you will need to provide a lot more than just procedures. I think you can improve as an instructor if you put your mind to it.
@@quartzimaging ..A bit harsh for free advice.... I understand you may need an external intervalometer if your camera (even tho has a TL function) does NOT (or can't) fire a signal to the MSM via the hot shoe flash. Therefore another method is needed to trigger the MSM to move.
I was informed that the brass threaded stud on front of MSM should ALWAYS be pointed at Polaris...Your setup has it level with the ground...What is the correct way to mount it...
Time lapse, like to view star trails? New at astro. If I want to photograph Milky way and take multiple shots and stack, MSM gets poined at Polaris correct?Thank you
@@juliano191 did you see the day time time lapses in the video? That's what the horizontal set up is for. You're right, to track the sky aim at Polaris
Thanks for this Alex. 🙏 it’s a great explanation demonstrating what we can expect from our MSMs!
Glad it was helpful!
Very helpful, thankx ! I‘m using LRT since 10 years but did not know useful the LR-Timer would be for my very new MSM. I‘ll stay tuned ;-)
This was awesome....I love shooting TL but have yet to do a day to night...the LRTL tool seems really cool to try. I should have my MSM next week to work on using..love this stuff..THANKS for all your sharing..oh. And love the MacGyver analogy...👍🏻
Yeah, the day to night is tricky for sure... I've only done it successfully once
Thank you for actually showing the length of each individual speed, I've never seen anyone else teach us that.
Just purchased MSM…. u have been an immense help . Thx
So happy!
@@chasingluminance a stupid question… what are full star icon and the half star icon … I was told just press full star .. for stars/ Milky Way
@@sallymally6892 full star tracks at the star speed
Half is literally half. Allows you to get a longer exposure with the foreground and sky in acceptable sharpness
Really found this to be very informative and appreciate greatly. Thanks again Alex!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Sony in electronic shutter mode doesn’t work, but it does indeed in mechanical shutter. With newer models as the A9 where there is an internal intervalometer it seems fine, but with older models as the A7Rii where there is not an internal intervalometer then it works only if you press the shutter, so you need and external intervalometer.
I happen to have a LR pro timer. So I will be able to feed back on my experience with it in electronic shutter mode. Before I need to get the RTS 2.5 mm to RTS 2.5mm cable.
Thanks for a very interesting video on the MSM and the LRTimelapse Pro Timer. Both of these tools are on my 'Wishlist' for later on this year.
Yeah, I don't have the timer myself... but I'm defiantly looking into it
Not sure why other mirrorless cameras won't trigger through the hot shoe. Works fine on my sony mirrorless cameras. 🤷♂️
I hear it works with Nikon as well. this is a strange world
It works fine on the R6 in AV, TV but not M mode.
Does it work in bulb mode ?
Love your videos man! And love A Basin as well! Can’t wait for East Wall hikes this year. Just got a MSM and hoping to make sense of it all.
An Ah-Ha moment Alex using an LRTimelapse Pro Timer and will try it with my Timelaspe+VIEW as soon as my MSM arrives in a Night to Day timelapse with ramping mode. Also might look at using Sequator. Wish me luck and stay tuned 🤞
You will probably also need another stereo 1/8th inch extension cable.
Really enjoyed that background music when you were outside.
#productionValue
I noticed that the MSM rotator turns off after the second exposure if you set the interval time less than the shutter speed length. So if you're shooting 4sec exposures you need to set the interval to 8sec
Great!
I'm confused by the special setup required for mirrorless cameras. Is this a brand specific thing?
Because my Sony A7III triggers the MSM perfectly fine after a shot in manual mode, I just need to switch 'the flash' on and use the mechanical shutter. (silent shooting does NOT trigger, but then the video also recommend to switch that off anyway).
I've been doing timelapses like this for years, and never had a problem.
This works both with the Sony internal intervalometer, or when I use an external intervalometer to trigger the camera.
Trigger triggers camera, camera triggers MSM.
That's great, I haven't heard that about Sony before, so very good to know
Thank you Alex for the awesome videos. Have you used the Move Shoot Move to do a "holy grail" timelapse?
I haven't combined msm with Holy grail... yet
hi did you try to use a external sink cord to connect the camera to de MSM
That was awesome. How did you mount the camera and MSM to get the zig zag affect for the painting timelapse?
I switched the N and the S mode
Two questions - do you have to use the MSM horizontally? Mine is always set up vertically...I don't seem to have the proper screw to set it up with my arca plate to be horizontal.
What is a rotator ring? It is mentioned when talking about the LRTimelapse intervalometer... thank you
If it's vertical it will spin the camera vertically, so if that's what you're going for then vertical is fine. But horizontal is needed for left and right panning.
The rotational plate is the elevated circle on the msm where you attach the ball head
Hi can you the TL same way with the new MSM Nomad tracker
Hi there have a quick question… with a heavy load ( my Sony 100-400) lens .. the system stayed stable except for the msm device rotating on the Swiss arcs plate … I screwed it in the msm as tight as I could … but it still swivels … I know it’s the weight of the system …. Do u have any suggestions re better Swiss arcs plate or system
I tried the MSM with my Canon EOS R and it works fine with the MSM’s supplied hot shoe connector and using an external Intervalometer to run the camera, just as you would a DSLR. Under Canon’s Camera Menu 2 > External Speedlite Control > Flash Firing has to be set to Enable, so the hot shoe is activated. If the hot shoe didn’t work, then a mirrorless camera couldn’t be used with a flash. But of course they work with flashes, and so they should work with the MSM for synchronized move-shoot-moves. I don’t wish to take away sales from Gunther’s wonderful little LRT Intervalometer - it’s a terrific device - but I can’t see that it’s needed just to make the MSM work as advertised, at least not with an EOS R. Just make sure the flash is enabled in the camera menu. But thanks for pointing out the potential problem. Sounds like it’s an issue with the R5 and R6 only, but I think people are getting the impression the MSM can’t work with any mirrorless camera. That’s not the case.
Awesome it works with the R.. I'll have to do some more testing with the r5
Great video and explanation. My issue is using the Nikon D850 and making the cable connection between the hotshoe and the MSM port it instructs buyers to turn Camera ON...the selection on the D850 is "greyed out!" Nikon is not going to help so I have to rely on users of the MSM. Any help please?
Have you asked the Facebook group? There may be msm folks with a d850 on there
Thx@@chasingluminance
I haven't got my MSM yet but I already have my own intervalmeter (MIOPS) so buying the lrtimer would only cost extra. But what if I would use a Y-cable and trigger both the Olympus and the MSM at the same time? When I set the Olympus to wait for 2 seconds before taking the shot and set the delay long enough to take the picture before the next trigger is given... ?
That could work! I haven't seen a Y cable like that... but I haven't really looked either. If you make it happen let me know!
@@chasingluminance Found one! Don't know if it will work until I have received it but. It was the only one I could find. Worst case scenario is that you'll (or me) need to connect the three cables yourself without splitter (not too hard to do either).
www.amazon.de/gp/product/B006IDNKVO/ref=ox_sc_act_image_3?language=en_GB&psc=1&smid=A2X1ST6CC1USDW
@@chasingluminance I have received the Y-cable (2.5mm male plug and 2 x 2.5mm female) and it seems to work. :-)
@@bddsgn very interesting, I'll have to look into that Y
I'd love to see a time-lapse using 2 MSM devices; one horizontal and one vertical. Thanks!
That would be cool!! I've got some ideas in my brain
Put your msm at an angle. And you'll get both directions.
My MSM works fine triggered by the hot shoe, if I let my external intervalometer control the shutter on my Canon EOS R. It does not work if I attempt to use the timelapse function of the EOS R. I'm not sure if that is normal.
yeah, those little details are so strange to me
Just buy two sets of pixel wireless timer remote control, use one transmitter to set your time lapse setting, connect one receiver to your camera to trigger the camera , and connect the 2nd receiver to the MSM rotator to trigger the rotator. make sure the transmitter and the 2 receivers are set on the same channel, and make sure you choose the right cable for your camera and the rotator when you buy the pixel wireless control. It work great on my Nikon Z7II and much cheaper than the LRTimelapse Pro Timer. The MSM hot shoe cable is working good on Nikon z 7 II as well.
Hi, have you tried this out successfully? Looking at this as an option for my Fuji XT-30. My current intervalometer gets out of sync very quickly unfortunately.
@@alanruizphotography if you have an old Yongnuo RF603-C trigger lying around, you can mount it to your Fujifilmx camera's hot shoe, then connect the MSM's hot shoe cable to the top of the Yongnuo hot shoe. This triggers the MSM rotator just fine.
NOTE: these Yongnuo triggers are inexpensive and you can get them on eBay for a few by bucks but they are great. Just need to make for you get the RF603-C for Canon NOT the RF603-N for Nikon. The C version will work with the Fujifilm camera's hotshoe.
Here's a link to one: www.amazon.com/dp/B00BBE2G6K/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_i_P0VEZR5HBD9DGPBCHY53
@@edgarcorrea so the YONGNUO trigger for Canon attaches to my Fuji hotshoe, then the MSM trigger cable plugs into the MSM and connects to the top of the trigger. I'm guessing I connect the trigger to the camera aux port also? And this works to move the MSM after each image is taken when doing a timelapse?
@@edgarcorrea and I only need one of them?
Wow - this makes a lot sense!
Thanks a lot for this video. I’ve got the msm and wanted to shoot an extended Milky Way timelapse up at Big Sky. Do you have thoughts on speed setting?
I honestly like just setting it to the star setting and not worrying with the hot shoe cable
@@chasingluminance thanks. Can’t wait to see what I get
One more question, I noticed that it appeared your msm rotated right and then began panning back left. Is there a 180 degree limit or setting? Thanks
Good question. No limit, I just switched from N to S
@@chasingluminance gotcha! Thanks
Why not just use 2 similar timers, one for the camera and one for the MSM?
Sure, that could work too.
Nice that's a good solution! The LRTimelapse Timer thingy cost more than the MSM! 😆 It's been on my list of thingies to buy though! Tax refund is on the way! 😁
Yeah, money is weird. If someone wants to make some proper time-lapses this could be a very valuable tool
At 9:42 it sounded like he said, "...plug it in on the side exactly at i showed you in the other _____" part or port? These instructional videos would be so much better if they did less talking and more showing.🤓
Port... exactly how I showed you at 3:19
@@chasingluminance Thank you. So what is the other port for - the one with the circling arrows?
@@originalBongoCat the doco says that is a 'sync' port for a slider. A slider is used to move the camera (and msm) to a different location ie move horizontal/vertical/diagonal rather than pan as performed by Alex on the tripod. So it works on the same principle of the MSM rotate the sync port causes a "side" also.
@@61Wilko Thank you! I understand that a little better. Maybe a clear symbol would be .
Very confusing video. Does this method assume you are using a particular brand of camera? Why does it matter if using a dslr or a mirroless camera? Why does it matter if using mechanical shutter or not? Why does it matter if flash is on or off? If a camera has a built in intervalometer, why do you need to add an external intervalometer? I guess maybe you are giving good advice, but it would be so much more helpful if you would explain WHY you need to do these things. The need for all these gymnastics really indicates the MSM time lapse function is NOT ready for prime time.
Oh... if I expanded every why the video would take 2 hours
@@chasingluminance No, not really. Do you actually know the answers to any of those questions? If you want to be a youtube expert, you will need to provide a lot more than just procedures. I think you can improve as an instructor if you put your mind to it.
OK
@@quartzimaging ..A bit harsh for free advice.... I understand you may need an external intervalometer if your camera (even tho has a TL function) does NOT (or can't) fire a signal to the MSM via the hot shoe flash. Therefore another method is needed to trigger the MSM to move.
I was informed that the brass threaded stud on front of MSM should ALWAYS be pointed at Polaris...Your setup has it level with the ground...What is the correct way to mount it...
At Polaris for star tracking.... horizontal for level time lapses
Time lapse, like to view star trails? New at astro. If I want to photograph Milky way and take multiple shots and stack, MSM gets poined at Polaris correct?Thank you
@@juliano191 did you see the day time time lapses in the video? That's what the horizontal set up is for.
You're right, to track the sky aim at Polaris
Also, VERY confused as to how the camera interacts with the MSM.
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This may be a more helpful video