The Truth about Steam Curators...
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- A long ramble about Steam Curators and Steam Game Collecting
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I mean dude is practically exposing them but he’s part of the issue
at least he is telling the truth
He's using the system in the way it was set up. He's part of the issue because the issue exists.
Imagine if there was a place where someone was giving out ten real dollars to everyone who came by to devalue the american economy. You can complain about it, but you also would be stupid not to go get 10 dollars (or keep going back to get 10 dollars as much as you can) .
honestly who cares its not really a big deal
I appreciate your honesty. I'm using the curator system currently for my first Steam release and you definitely shined some light on the scenario.
here's why steam curators are crap, BUT FIRST look at my game collection
This video is useful, for developers, as a warning.
You are right. One of them HEDGEHOG squandered my keys on Qorena last year, almost zero communication on the progress of his 'giveaway' and then his previous Discord account vanished. Just few days ago, he has the gall to return under a new discord account and had the gall to ask for keys on my 2nd game. I practically told him to piss off.
I STILL think this system can be useful.
I follow curators that relate to a specific thing.
Ex - One tells if a game has Denuvo on it. One tells privacy. Other how bad the microtransactions are in a game. Other about cut content.
There's niche stuff like LGBT info or HardcoreGaming101, which is all about ye old retro games.
This all really helps in navigating the pages.
The backend of this explains so much though. Why it is so highly exploitative.
Definately can recommend the denuvo curator especially. They try to stay on top of release statues and there is the ability to comment to determine whether the denuvo stands.
+respect for exposing
What's the point of collecting so many games if you're not playing them?
Good question, for me its just satisfying to be able to play games that I wouldn't normally be willing to buy.
capitalism
I have a curator, a big one (bigger than that one on the video) with 553 reviews that I made with my real and genuine opinion (some of them with videos linked) ... I realy hate curators that don't curate, that copy any text from internet or make sh*t reviews like "yes or no", "nep nep nep", "my name is captain sheppard and this is my favorite game" ... but no one can speak for every curator... If you exploits the curation system, you can't tell about everyone, this corruption is yours and yours alone and my audience always thank me about my honest game tips.
Its hard to find new good indie games on Steam, these games don't have space to grow and I do my part recommending them after doing the right thing, that is the simple way:
-earn the game
-play the game
-review the game
I know your channel for a long time and used to watch your videos since I didn't even had a channel... and I have only one thing to say:
If you don't have any subject to make a good video, just don't do anything... its better.
OMG WOW! I'm sorry GaminTaylor but you might not be honest in your reviews but there are plenty of curators who are, including my own. I put a lot of effort into my reviews and they are always honest and informative. I think that is the least a developer can expect if they give you a free game. I think it says more about your character that you follow these practices. I mean it all comes down to honesty and integrity doesn't it?
For example, you say and I quote "I accept every game I am offered, and why wouldn't you?"
I only accept games I am going to review, and if I know I will never play and review that game, I send it back to the dev.
That is a choice I have made. Your choice is to steal the game and put in minimal or no effort.
Had the same idea as you in the beginning, but it ultimately does not matter.
@@GamingTaylor Of course it matters mate. It's sad to see that you have lost your ways. Just because lots of others aren't doing it properly doesn't mean you have to. It is good in a way that you have highlighted the problems, but it would be better if you were part of the solution rather than the problem. Maybe you could send your video to Valve and show them the sort of thing that is going on, or start a Steam group against these practices for example. There's plenty that can be done. The curator system shouldn't be used like this as it ruins it for genuine curators 😒
@@IndieGems2 The thing is Valve knows, and they have known for many years now. Nothing has changed. When I first found out about it I tried to get Valve awareness, but they have bigger things to worry about. If you want to be a "genuine" curator, take your reviews and develop a website or join a game journalist group. Perhaps one day you will get noticed.
@@GamingTaylor Yeah I suspect you are correct. Things are fast moving on to You Tube and Twitch anyway. That's where most interest from places like Keymailer and Press Engine lie. I still think there is some value in Steam curators for developers though, especially small indie ones. Thanks for your thoughts :)
I feel the same way as you do. This whole corrupt system hurts people that actually wanna play and review people's games. It won't matter. I will continue to be honest about the reviews I write and not collect games for the sole purpose of collecting.
My main problem with curator reviews is that they're almost always mindlessly positive. A Hat in Time's Seal the Deal DLC gets tons of well deserved negative reviews & even a lot of the positive ones are conflicted but the curators praise every little thing about it or just don't mention any of the bad parts in the first place.
Yeah, that was kinda underwhelming for dlc. I loved nyakuza metro though.
Totalbiscuit ah how I miss him :(. Great informative video though
You really need to be banned from curating, along with everyone else involve in the same behavior. Hopefully you wont take it personally that I immediately clicked ignore on every curator account you own the moment I saw word for word copy and paste on three different accounts one after the other. It's pretty well known and has been for a long time that the curator system is absurdly abused and useless, doesn't mean you should contribute to it.
Why? It's worth getting hundreds of games for free each month. Try it
@@GamingTaylor A significant portion of those free games are straight up garbage that I'd never touch. In fact, most of them are garbage. You probably wont ever even have a single hour in every game you own. So what exactly is the point? Inflating a number that means nothing to anyone that scrutinizes your account because they'll inevitably notice the blatant abuse of the curator system?
@@balzarinemythus50 You are right, but a handful are good games that I'd actually play, so to me it's worth it. I mean just the other day I got a copy of Crysis 2 Remastered, and it's literally 5mins or less of "work" each week
@@GamingTaylor I'm wondering, considering why you have these accounts, would you be open to adding an upcoming game to these to help devs out a little as well? I understand that most of the followers you have are probably bots, but even so, some players sure start following curators with large followings right?
If it could help adding even just a few wishlists to help us with our game be better received by the steam algorithm in the future, it would be great
@@madoc4248 I'd be willing to help you out (no cost),. Just let me know what game
Not a fan with steam curators as you can review a game even though it's not even out or they haven't played before.
More creator behind the scenes stuff would be interesting to watch :)
its crazy that you can even review the games that havent been released yet i wish i had a curator account LUL
You can make one, just make a steam group
VERY VERY HONEST, your the best. !!!
Thank you for sharing and for your honesty! I always take individual reviews with a dose of salt and use common sense. I often even first look at the bad reviews. I finally understand what the heck is going on with the Curator system. In the beginning it was still reasonable like TotalBiscuit (RIP) and Jim Stirling, but now I understand these weird accounts.Even your reviews made no sense to me, but I like what you do, so I will keep following. He, If I can be part of a small percent that can help you get free games than that's great.
Haha, you don't need to follow mine! You won't get anything useful besides seeing the most popular upcoming games being recommended. But thank you!
With that amount of daily free games, do you ever actually play the games you receive? Or is their only value amping up the owned games counter?
when I first started years ago, my goal was to play every game I received. But nowadays I don't have much time, so I just play a few I enjoy and the rest are unplayed.
LOL I just sent you a game via the Curator thing without realizing you're the curator who made this video. You just accepted the game, so... I hope you enjoy (if you end up playing it) 😅
gave it a positive curator review hope it helps
Not much point in getting free games if majority of them are shovelware
I myself am an admin for a curator group and the majority of game offers we receive, I have to turn down because 95 percent of them would hardly qualify as "Little Timmy's First Unity Project".
Nothing against indies but honestly when you see the same bad actors showering you with assetflip shovelware titles, it gets somewhat old
Like, im not trying to sound ungrateful but some of those games we get offered are titles that not even for free i would ever want to try out, let alone review
Btw to my knowledge, there hasnt been any new press accounts on Steam but i could be wrong
This does help explain why there's quite a lot of joke curators that keep going beyond a year and so on. There is some valid curators however they're doing stuff outside of steam typically and only use the curator system to blend with their other platforms typically. That or have a central focus like a denuvo curator who's whole purpose is to determine whether a game has denuvo or not.
GamingTaylor: don't ever follow any1 in the curator system
me: rushing to follow GamingTaylor
haha :D
Dont follow anyone..
But.. I dont wanna unfollow you
Great video I always wondered why someone would follow mindless reviews, they aren't even real.
Most of them don't even leave a review, i've revoked all the unclaimed keys i've sent to curators. Just the trash of the world, get a job a buy them dear curators.
Are you going to give us a truth about key request sites (you mentioned keymailer but not the details)?
I had no idea about any of this! Really great insight, learnt a lot! Appreciate you being so open and honest about everything
Hi, just traded with a guy, he trade me a game from a steam curration group but do i own the game ? or he just scam me ? cause i saw that i can't put review like traditional way in the store page of the game
I knew there was some bullshit going on! When I saw your "review" on victoria 3, which isn't out yet, I had to find out what was going on. Did not expect to get an explanation from the guy who wrote the review, lol. I wish I could just hide all Curators. I wonder why Valve promotes them so heavily.
Don't forget that you once generated 5k keys and hosted a giveaway on such third party site over 2 years ago
I mean he never pretended like he wasn't exploiting the system just as much as other people.
Super informative:) thanks for sharing
I haven't really seen the point of curators until the sweet baby inc curators
@@sysnico8691 there really isn’t any point. The only curator groups that may have a purpose are the ones who have lists of games that do certain things (example: widescreen support)
Getting this dudes steam account would be a heist...
ok i clicked on this video because im noticing a lot of weird, thoughtless curators which i thought didnt seem legit
anyway, as im writing this comment, you are literally at the top of my review list, looking at reviews of the ranchers, gundam evolution, marauders and two point campus.
just thought that was a funny coincidence.
This shit matters to me, honestly. When I'm looking into a new unreleased game the first thing I do is check out curator reviews. This is really sad to see. I have to thank the people who genuinely write reviews, but the people who do it without actually playing or spending time on them.. seems a bit lazy to me.
Funny story, but I am a developer, and you are the 2nd curator I sent my game to. You took it and didn't leave a review.
thanks for the rec - glad i ignore the curator system
Seen you a lot on Steam with the reviews. I appreciate your honesty at least. Seems like the system is broken where companies send free games while the rest of us have to spend our hard earned money. But hey, I don't hold it against you, I would probably do the same thing.
Back when I first started I got annoyed that youtubers (like Totalbiscuit for example) were getting free AAA games, then giving a "review".. I was all like.. how can this be a honest review if they didn't pay the $65+ for the game? Then I found out I could do the same thing and one thing lead to another and ended up receiving tens of thousands of games. My game count on Steam is 15,000 but in reality my game count is 32,000 because redeemed curator games and also indie/new games don't count visibly on my profile.
4:37 ayo tf are some of those games
And i'm just sitting here with my small curator page while writing actual reviews just for fun.
I have mixed feelings about this video as this guy is basically telling us about how many people he's scammed for free keys, and this is really not ok because it both steals from indie developers who are often struggling to make money and even worse wastes their time by forcing them to double and triple check whether key requests from press and streamers are legitimate, time which they could be using to make games... However, putting this information out there may prevent others from falling for this type of fraud so that counts for something.
I guessed in first day when this system appear in Steam, that curators are just spambots. But never knew that they get free games. And like in any "social media" system, subscipers are mostly spambot accounts.
Thank you so much for sharing, as an indie dev this was eye opening as I get contacted about giving my games keys out daily!
Thanks for speaking out!
interesting. I always wondered what curators were all about... The whole concept just seems strange to me and I really couldnt imagine who actually reads through "nep nep nep nep" and thinks to themselves: Hell yeah I will buy the game now
Man I want some free games, time to get curating, 😭😂 ty for sharing
Thanks i will now copy from others.
Sadly that's the only way to legitime curators to grow as well, since it's hella hard to get followers these days... Now I wonder though, do you still do this? I mean, buying and stuff, unsure if this still a thing?
You also made me remember that I also wanted to do reviews of all games I received, still trying to do it, gonna be tough to do all 1k games I own lol.
I still do it and get like 20+ games a week. My other 4 Curator groups did get banned as I was copying the same reviews across all 5. Nowadays there's chatgpt so people don't even write reviews
So you still pay giveaway sites to share your curators? Anyone you recommend?
Yeah, I can notice those ChatGPT reviews lol, it's easy to know who uses it since it's very robotic(?) way of writing
Commander Shepard, the Doge and YES/NO are much better than people who copy and paste the store page
wtf I actually was searching for this video because I saw a bunch of copy and paste blurbs in the curator tags and I was wondering what the hell was wrong with the steam curators, and they were all your accounts
Hello! I just found your curator have GIF cover in the main page, how to set Custom Things on my own curator pages, ireally want to know it, thanks alot!
i think you need 5000 followers to open up the custom banner
@@GamingTaylor i already reaches 10000 sub but it still didnt allow me to custom my pages....weirdo..😂
Ive only followed curators that review every single adult hentai game on steam cause I want be notified every time new adult hentai games come out
well ... I can't imagine a better explanation than that. thanks for sharing
This explains so much of my questions about why the Steam curator system is the way it is... It's dark and should not be a part of Steam...
so the point of this, is you get free games IF you get higher followers?
I Just discovered this "Curator" Character and my friend has become one of them. he's got over 5k games on steam and i wanna help and support 'em out =)
Thank you so much for the extremely valuable information, coming from the person who knows about both sides of the curator interaction! I now understood why you requested keys for all 5 of my Steam games. :D
lol :D
This hurts to see when I've created a curator page with the intention to write honest and as best as possible reviews. 😞
ChatGPT can write better reviews
@@GamingTaylor The personality isn't there, despite the fact that the reviews are well formatted. Something an AI will never be able to reproduce.
ChatGPT has a basic understanding and knowledge about the game. Only a human touch could fully write something that they've truly played and enjoyed/not enjoyed.
Don't get me wrong, I like ChatGPT, but unless I wanna use it for a reformatting of a sentence or two and there I rewrite things I feel are missing I don't see the AI being all the time useful.
@@vasharal38 generally speaking when reading reviews people glance over the front page read a few sentences and move on. If you want to put feeling and emotion into it, you'll be better off making video reviews.
@@GamingTaylor I do both actually.
Hello, I am a new steam user and I really want to grow my library like you! I've seen one of your videos about bulk buying keys. The site that you mentioned is expensive and has limited keys.
I agree with you that most Steam Curator groups are scammers. However, I work hard on my Steam Curator and do legitimate reviews (including video) and I refuse most free games I am offered. I only accept those I plan to play and review. I buy most of my games.
BTW, I have almost 6k games and 90% of them I bought. I would never scam because I actually have ethics. I have never got a bot or anything, I get followers through my detailed reviews on each game I play. Many of my reviews are negative reviews. A free game means nothing to me and isn't enough for me to do any of these scummy practices.
Damn..thanks for speaking out! +respect for you after this!
Wow didn't know this at all. Always amazes me how broken the Steam Store while Valve is a multi billion dollar company...
There's been a whole lot of craziness and corrupt features on steam over the years. From inventory game gift trading, gambling, excess key generation, leveling loopholes, money laundering, refunds, sale glitches, greenlight, and the list goes on.
@@GamingTaylor would love to see a video regarding this
That's because Valve participates in money laundering, wake up. :(
@@NoMaYT_ not valve itself lol people on steam do though
I started doing curators to promote my website and then my youtube and never got any traction. This video explains why.
I love that bit at the end, it's why I don't accept free games, because you're right, there's too much bias in getting a game for free and reviewing it.
In fact there was a "Collective" that tried to recruit me for Steam Curator. Almost went for it but they wanted full editorial rights, again almost did it, but they seemed to ONLY care about "we'll get you free games" . Something I didn't care about, but it's ALL the reasons they ran their curation.
Do you get games of interest or just 0815 bs?
Very rarely get anything noteworthy
@@GamingTaylor What are some of the noteworthy things you've been given? Any AAA titles regularly?
Thanks for making this. It's pretty obvious that it is all BS. It's just odd that Valve allows it. Is it just laziness or do they benefit from it somehow?
Or maybe it was the pet project of someone at Valve and they just can't accept that it has failed?
So do you really even like indie games? What is the point of collecting a bunch of crap you don't enjoy?
26,975 VIDEO GAMES!!?!?!?!?! I dont think you would be able to play them all in one life time I only have 760
Definitely not, but I hope one day I can retire and play some of them
The most shocking thing in this video is that there are games you dont own.
So.... are you going to review JTAC Beats or Holy Journey of Salvation that I sent to you?
Or naw?
Yeah I wish I would have seen it before releasing my game.
Either way thanks for the heads-up!!
do it right or leave it -
I'll try my best, I ignore all the bullshit reviews
i used to thinkl curators were actually valid. some of them are proper idiots. reviews for games that arent out saying "good"
What advice do you have for people who want to start being a curator? Also nice vid, very informative.
His advice was in the video... pay for lots of bot followers.
In terms of app count you're nowhere near the top 10, just barely made it to the top 20.
As the main curator of RPGWatch I can assure you, that we never accept free games. So don't apply your logic on others.
sure
You'd be fucking stupid not to (not all games obviously since 90% would be shit).
I did do it specifically to get free stuff and it works but at least I review them cuz I kinda feel bad not reviewing them not just copy pasting the same shit and I do review them honestly if it’s shit it’s shit
chatgpt, you'll never know if a review is legit or not
@@GamingTaylor True that’s possible but that’s pretty boring
So... Not that I totally want to jump on the band wagon or anything, but are there any such cheat ways to get 5k follows fast now'a'days?
Taylor can you share some of those cheez-itz with me in the back
yes! Anytime!
Thanks, that was very informative!
Just made me miss TB.
u should change ur youtube icon, you are way better looking than your animated character.
Oh? Thank you for the compliment, I just wouldn't know what to change it to.
oh, so those gleamio giveaways are basically pyramid schemes huh?🤔
I wanted to be a curator so I checked reviews, just saw fucking yes or no?? I wanna know actual crap about the game so I wanna actually give information to people, some reviews are good but crikey its hard, and the free game thing is is honestly ass, they should remove it, it would improve the curator system alot.
Do you own my games?
Some curators are legit & good though, but not many and that makes me sad 😥
And for those that are doing big reviews and all, it's hard to get seen / followers these days 😀
But I don't wanna unfollow nudity Y/N.....
Nice video though didnt know most of this stuff.
Very honest, really opened my eyes up abt curators
wait you get free games with this?
i just made it for shits and giggles.
weird flex, but ok
I have around 2k followers on my curator page and I've been offered 100 or so games, yet I've never accepted a single one because my reviews only consist of "I can confirm this game has tiddy physics". Just doesn't seem right accepting them for such low effort.
Okay I lied, I just checked and I accepted 4 of them.
Even from a user point of view the curator system is pointless. The only use I can imagine is that curators collect certain types of games, but you can already search for those tags in steam. And the reviews themselves are absolutely useless.
The curator system was always suspicious to me, mainly because it was much more positive in general than normal steam user reviews. That's a problem, because Steam user reviews are already more positive than reality. Not to mention curator reviews are just too short to contain anything useful or nuanced, especially because you only need to scroll down a littlebit more to get much more information about a game from actual players.
rip
Hello fellow Texan
Hi there :D
Wow
Damn #7!
I wouldn't call the Anime 1.0 curator, "another one" of the meme-y/nonsense repeating curators, or at least it does not seem so?
you are number 57 now lol