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  • @SavvyNik
    @SavvyNik  26 днів тому +15

    What other additional tools would you like to see?

    • @mattvisaggio
      @mattvisaggio 26 днів тому +5

      Right click option to create a shortcut/symlink

    • @mattvisaggio
      @mattvisaggio 26 днів тому +2

      Dropbox on demand file integration. GUI options to update/view bootloader. Logical volume manager GUI.

    • @Just_Add_Coffee
      @Just_Add_Coffee 26 днів тому +1

      Some way to add some pizzaz to animations, ala "Burn My Windows" for GNOME.

    • @jernaugurgeh451
      @jernaugurgeh451 26 днів тому +2

      A weather app that actually includes my city, the 5th largest in the UK by population. (For some reason the default Gnome app doesn’t recognise Sheffield, but does have Castle Donington, a very small town with a population of less than 7,400)

    • @milanutekal5083
      @milanutekal5083 26 днів тому +2

      Internet Radio App

  • @mmstick
    @mmstick 26 днів тому +117

    The PDF reader will be an official part of COSMIC once it is completed, but it may not be ready for the first release.

    • @tui3264
      @tui3264 26 днів тому +5

      is it using new pdf spec ? Linux lacks that. We saw increase of pdfs with new spec as it is used by non-free readers 🥲

    • @x4vvi23
      @x4vvi23 26 днів тому +7

      I wish there was an EPUB reader similar to ReadEra on Android but for Linux where I can just scroll pages down seamlessly instead of having page turned everytime.
      Additionaly I have to add that most of EPUB readers are ugly.

    • @mmstick
      @mmstick 26 днів тому

      @@tui3264 As a Rust application, it is using lopdf for parsing an AST of the PDF contents, and then rendering directly to the window with Vulkan using the Canvas widget from iced.

    • @mmstick
      @mmstick 26 днів тому

      @@x4vvi23 EPUB unfortunately requires embedding a web view, and Servo is not yet usable right now. Foliate should be good enough for now.

    • @Moppawife
      @Moppawife 26 днів тому +4

      The work you do is crazy, thanks Michael

  • @SnowTheParrot
    @SnowTheParrot 26 днів тому +48

    I'm excited for Cosmic.
    And have been for a loooooong time....
    A VERY LONG TIME.

  • @michaeljaques77
    @michaeljaques77 26 днів тому +10

    As a Pop!_OS user, I don't have much choice, but I'm excited about it, definitely!

  • @sheikhshakilakhtar1865
    @sheikhshakilakhtar1865 26 днів тому +8

    Very excited about this.
    Thanks for the enjoyable and informative video.
    Thanks to System76 and community devs for their hardwork.
    I hope it gains enough popularity to become another mainstream DE.

  • @guildpilotone
    @guildpilotone 26 днів тому +17

    Pop!_OS is my daily driver and I have the pre-Alpha installed. Looking stronger all the time.

    • @bertvantol9669
      @bertvantol9669 9 днів тому

      How can I install PopOS pre alpha ??

    • @guildpilotone
      @guildpilotone 9 днів тому

      @@bertvantol9669 same way I did: google is your friend

  • @Vancha112
    @Vancha112 26 днів тому +6

    Already daily driving this DE, and it's getting better and better every day :) quality work being done on it by many talented people

  • @SiriusScaper
    @SiriusScaper 26 днів тому +7

    I'm currently testing out cosmic on NixOS on my framework 13 amd laptop 😊 Big thanks to the NixOS maintainers for porting it over and having a flake available! Also big props to the system76 devs! It's getting better and better by leaps and bounds now.

    • @kayseeday
      @kayseeday 9 днів тому

      I know it’s in pre alpha now and that there isn’t a timeline yet for the full release, but what has your experience been so far? Any major issues? I’m assembling my framework laptop and I can’t wait to try this. Other DEs out of the box seem plain compared to this except for the crazy hyprland ricing. Those seem sick

  • @alternatuber6698
    @alternatuber6698 26 днів тому +22

    POP Os should be rebranded as COSMIC Os.

    • @legendboyAni
      @legendboyAni 14 днів тому

      I disagree

    • @wooshbait36
      @wooshbait36 13 днів тому

      ​@@legendboyAni I agree

    • @RahmanAzim1
      @RahmanAzim1 10 днів тому +2

      Agreed. It's more profesh and catchy.

    • @legendboyAni
      @legendboyAni 10 днів тому

      @@wooshbait36 you agree with me or him

    • @wooshbait36
      @wooshbait36 9 днів тому

      @@legendboyAni With both of you

  • @GarrisIiari
    @GarrisIiari 26 днів тому +11

    I have had it on my Arch install, and thus far what makes it interesting are its underpinnings, clean-sheet start, and S76's overall open approach to the community and to theming and development on Cosmic. From an appearance and functional standpoint, everything is very standard so far. People expecting to install this and have it feel revolutionary or "next gen" in any way are bound to be disappointed.

    • @SavvyNik
      @SavvyNik  26 днів тому +4

      Thanks for the share!

  • @jernaugurgeh451
    @jernaugurgeh451 26 днів тому +21

    I’m fairly new to Linux (though I did briefly mess about with it in the early 2000s), but have tried out probably a dozen different distros so far and from all that experimentation the only solid conclusion I’ve come to is that COSMIC is definitely my favourite DE.
    It’s a good variant of Gnome with a macOS-style dock, but the addition of auto-tiling windows makes it god-tier.
    Really looking forward to the next Pop!_OS, though I’m currently running Fedora 40 with stock Gnome and have got on pretty well with it so far.

    • @SavvyNik
      @SavvyNik  26 днів тому +3

      Thanks for sharing the exp

    • @bonfiters
      @bonfiters 26 днів тому

      if you want auto-tiling in stock gnome i recommend Forge, you can install it as a regular extension, been using it for the last week and it's great

    • @christopherpol112
      @christopherpol112 26 днів тому +1

      Exact same boat - coming from macOS and using Fedora with default Gnome, and it’s so nice. COSMIC is looking good and I hope it has that same nice clean aesthetic I like with Gnome

    • @bonfiters
      @bonfiters 26 днів тому +2

      dunno what happened to my reply, but there's an extension called Forge that adds auto tiling to stock GNOME. it'll hold us out until cosmic arrives hehe

    • @paultapping9510
      @paultapping9510 26 днів тому +1

      that basically sounds like what most people turn stock gnome into with extensions, and that is in no way a criticism. I like gnome, and I like it even more with a few little tweaks. From your description, Cosmic sounds like that, but out the box. Once it's matured a little more, I'll check it out.

  • @vexelghost
    @vexelghost 26 днів тому +4

    You had me at Fedora + Cosmic. 😮

  • @weiSane
    @weiSane 24 дні тому +4

    Cosmic has the best DE in Linux world.

  • @mr.DorianJames
    @mr.DorianJames 25 днів тому

    Looks great. Especially the hybrid tiling functions.

  • @KoopstaKlicca
    @KoopstaKlicca 25 днів тому

    i'm really looking forward to cosmic! i've already been using it for my home computer :)

  • @mesmersie8465
    @mesmersie8465 26 днів тому

    i put pop os with cosmic on my laptop and i love the look and feel of it. Can't wait for a stable release!

  • @babakfp
    @babakfp 26 днів тому +3

    I think it would be a good idea if you build a cosmic app and stream the whole process. If you are not a developer, you will probably fail, but it could be fun!

  • @sinansarihan
    @sinansarihan 23 дні тому

    I am on windows and I want to use PopOS! with Cosmic as my daily driver. So eager to test it. I hope it comes out soon but I understand good things take time. Thanks for the video. Cant get enough of it

  • @darshankumawat1764
    @darshankumawat1764 26 днів тому

    i can now finally be maximalist with tiling wm. super excited.

  •  26 днів тому

    I really want to try COSMIC. Honestly I wasn't really optimistic about at first, but it seems they are doing a terrific job. I hope it becomes a worthy competitor of Gnome and KDE plasma

  • @chadchampion6773
    @chadchampion6773 13 днів тому

    Can’t wait to use cosmic someday

  • @noname-ll2vk
    @noname-ll2vk 26 днів тому +3

    Creating a true new desktop toolkit might prove the biggest long term benefit. Hopefully libcosmic will do a better job not breaking its API every major toolkit version update. The way Qt and Gtk have done.
    The trick is to make it a more reliable developer experience than Qt or Gtk. Granted that's a very low bar. Look at Sway's wlroots compositor project which spread to most smaller Wayland compositors and thus created a much larger ecosystem than sway alone would ever have had.

    • @mmstick
      @mmstick 25 днів тому +2

      There will be some breaking changes, but I don't expect any of these changes to require significant effort to refactor. We need more developers to try out libcosmic and provide feedback and PRs to improve its APIs. The more feedback we get from real world use cases, the sooner we'll get to a stable API.

    • @noname-ll2vk
      @noname-ll2vk 25 днів тому

      @@mmstick best of luck. The free software world needs another toolkit option. Ideally once libcosmic progresses, stabilizes, and is used enough realworld, it can be a toolkit that learns the value of incremental development, and reliable APIs over time. Unstable desktop APIs might well be the biggest issue Free Desktops actually have faced once you peel all the layers of the onion away.

    • @ziplocpeople
      @ziplocpeople 25 днів тому +1

      ​@@noname-ll2vk sometimes you need breaking changes to make improvements though.

  • @noname-ll2vk
    @noname-ll2vk 26 днів тому

    Is there a test iso yet? I was hoping to do some testing on it but don't want to use much time because it's a minor update and can't justify more than booting iso in vm and getting data then uodating. But between the desktop, toolkit, and compositor this is first on my list. Time is not infinite however.

    • @mmstick
      @mmstick 25 днів тому +1

      There are 60 remaining tasks on the project board for the alpha. The first public ISO will be the Pop 24.04 Alpha, shipping COSMIC Alpha 1.

  • @NiffirgkcaJ
    @NiffirgkcaJ 25 днів тому +1

    I'm so excited for this! I can't wait for COSMIC to finally be released as stable so I can leave GNOME which has been slowing down my current distro.

  • @MithilaGames
    @MithilaGames 18 днів тому

    Which software you use to write on top of desktop, are your using pen tablet ??

  • @somename5632
    @somename5632 25 днів тому

    I am on fedora and I might switch to cosmic, when its actually ready

  • @luigigrabspam4596
    @luigigrabspam4596 26 днів тому +5

    the madlads at System76 really made the Kgnome meme real.

  • @roberto7102
    @roberto7102 26 днів тому

    I'm excited to try it on fedora
    😃

    • @ww4102
      @ww4102 26 днів тому

      You can already

    • @roberto7102
      @roberto7102 25 днів тому

      @@ww4102 Hey thank you I did installed it from the copr repo pretty neat 😃

  • @n.m4497
    @n.m4497 26 днів тому +5

    Beta coming this year?

    • @mmstick
      @mmstick 26 днів тому +11

      Yes, within a few months.

  • @user-iq6pf9in4d
    @user-iq6pf9in4d 17 днів тому

    when will it be released??

  • @danielkemmet2594
    @danielkemmet2594 20 днів тому

    I'm stoked as heck for cosmic and I'm hoping once the DE is launched they will finally start focusing on their in-house laptop.

    • @mmstick
      @mmstick 18 днів тому

      Besides Jeremy's work on firmware, no one on the Pop!_OS team works on hardware. That's a completely separate team of people in the company.

    • @danielkemmet2594
      @danielkemmet2594 18 днів тому

      @@mmstick right, I'm obvioulsy talking about company priorities. The lift to make a DE to go with a custom laptop is much less than making the laptop and THEN doing the DE...

    • @mmstick
      @mmstick 18 днів тому

      @@danielkemmet2594 You seem confused. I must reiterate that the people who work on the hardware are completely different from those working on Pop!_OS. The hardware team isn't twiddling their thumbs while waiting for us to finish. They work independently regardless of what happens in Pop.

    • @danielkemmet2594
      @danielkemmet2594 18 днів тому

      @@mmstick Fair. Enough.

    • @danielkemmet2594
      @danielkemmet2594 18 днів тому

      @@mmstick PS, I am legit stoked for cosmix. From your fosstodon profile it looks like you're working on that. so I appreciate that .

  • @fatrat600284
    @fatrat600284 25 днів тому

    Looks better than Gnome.

  • @IMaiaPT
    @IMaiaPT 26 днів тому +1

    I see that they are allowing to develop applets like in gnome, I hope in the future there is something similar to the gnome-extensions website. Has a gnome extension developer would love to pass mine to the cosmic.
    Also hope they add an option were we can remove the title bar since its going to be a window manager, for many people the bar will be a waste of space in the screen.

    • @mmstick
      @mmstick 26 днів тому +4

      There's now a cosmic-applet-template for those interested in making panel applets.

  • @danilaros
    @danilaros 23 дні тому

    Is good to have one more DE in Linux World, competition is always good and make things go forward! That been said i really think there is to much hype around Cosmic, I try it but definitely is not for me, I don’t like the looks and how some things got implemented, for now i prefer Gnome, no doubt.

  • @bertvantol9669
    @bertvantol9669 9 днів тому

    How can I install PopOS pre alpha ??

    • @gh0stcassette
      @gh0stcassette 7 днів тому +1

      If you're on NixOS, there's a flake available, and on PopOS you should just be able to install the package

  • @GWFO
    @GWFO 26 днів тому

    how to install on arch I know easiest way to get cosmic is through pop is but really want to try

    • @mmstick
      @mmstick 25 днів тому +3

      You will have to wait for Arch to provide binary packages.

    • @whitney9070
      @whitney9070 24 дні тому

      It's in the AUR.

    • @sheikhshakilakhtar1865
      @sheikhshakilakhtar1865 24 дні тому

      @@mmstick Can it used on non-SystemD distros? In particular, I was curious about GNU Guix.

    • @mmstick
      @mmstick 24 дні тому

      @@sheikhshakilakhtar1865 Probably. If not, they need to submit patches to COSMIC to make that possible.

  • @Mark98T
    @Mark98T 26 днів тому +3

    I need wake up from sleep/suspend on Wayland support on laptop with ryzen apu to laptop display and nvidia gpu to hdmi display that I'm experiencing issue on ubuntu 24.04
    The issue is that system failed to wake up and stuck on black screen with error text when on wayland

    • @SavvyNik
      @SavvyNik  26 днів тому +2

      I’d love it to be like mac has that instant wake is wild

  • @MyReviews_karkan
    @MyReviews_karkan 25 днів тому +2

    I love the hype around this desktop. I want them to make one thing a reality, an option in the wallpapers settings to span a wallpaper across two monitors. It is crazy to me how this is basically non-existent in Linux beside one app called "superpaper" that hardly works on xorg and doesn't on Wayland. This needs to be an actual part of the settings.

    • @mmstick
      @mmstick 24 дні тому +2

      You could create an issue for the pop-os/cosmic-bg repository, and someone could offer to add this feature.

    • @MyReviews_karkan
      @MyReviews_karkan 24 дні тому

      @@mmstick I'll do that asap. Thank you so much for answering my questions literally everywhere. You always answer my questions on reddit, Lemmy and now here. You need a big raise, my brother.

  • @Xotchkass
    @Xotchkass 26 днів тому +1

    Does or will it have a C API or only rust?

    • @mmstick
      @mmstick 25 днів тому +8

      Only Rust. The cosmic toolkit-and the iced runtime that it is built upon-leverages all of Rust's language features for maximum developer ergonomics and efficiency. This will raise the average bar of quality for applications built for COSMIC.

  • @AlexandruVoda
    @AlexandruVoda 26 днів тому

    I frankly have plenty of doubts about all these apps. To me this feels like scope creep. More apps means more maintenance effort. And while they are nice for cohesiveness with the desktop, they are not necessary for the desktop.

    • @mmstick
      @mmstick 26 днів тому +5

      That's a common misconception, especially in respect to Rust applications developed with Elm's Model-View-Update design pattern. These applications are so much easier to develop and maintain than GTK or Qt applications. As mentioned in the Elm book, the MVU design pattern makes refactoring so simple that refactoring a complex application is as simple as a simple application.
      In fact, Jeremy developed all of the applications himself. A fraction of our total manpower. So you may doubt us, but people had the exact same doubts two years ago that we'd even be able to create our own GUI toolkit, and yet here we are. GNOME's pango developer thought we'd need years just to have functioning text rendering.

    • @AlexandruVoda
      @AlexandruVoda 26 днів тому +1

      @@mmstick Fair, but that maintenance is not just about code, it is also about documentation, bug tracking, feature requests and people asking how to get stuff done. Even if the code is remarkably easy to refactor, the organisational side of software still consumes human hours. If System76 has enough resources to finance an entire ecosystem as part of the distro, that is mighty fine.

    • @mmstick
      @mmstick 26 днів тому +3

      @@AlexandruVoda We already have 7 years of experience with developing and maintaining Pop!_OS, where we have to take customer support requests and issue reports for the entire desktop; GNOME included. This is already going to be a significant reduction in burden on that front alone now that we have the ability to resolve all of the active complaints and requests once and for all. Maintaining this is a lot easier than maintaining GNOME.

    • @AlexandruVoda
      @AlexandruVoda 26 днів тому

      @@mmstick I see. So if you were already handling support requests for everything GNOME, then indeed, shipping apps for which you have code ownership is much preferable than getting support requests for GNOME apps you can not change.

    • @Indra88155
      @Indra88155 19 днів тому

      ​@@mmstick The funny thing is that cosmic-text is the most popular crate for text rendering. Hahahha

  • @rohithkumarbandari
    @rohithkumarbandari 26 днів тому +3

    Global menu for cosmic ?

    • @mmstick
      @mmstick 26 днів тому +6

      We're accepting PRs to implement support for this, with integrations for menu bars.

    • @luigigrabspam4596
      @luigigrabspam4596 26 днів тому +3

      @@mmstick global menu would be so sick. cosmic is literally gonna be the best of kde and gnome in one better more stable and performant package

  • @tui3264
    @tui3264 26 днів тому +12

    PopOS should switch to Fedora for its base

    • @SavvyNik
      @SavvyNik  26 днів тому

      Ooo

    • @gabe20244
      @gabe20244 26 днів тому +1

      Yes please, it would be amazing

    • @SnowTheParrot
      @SnowTheParrot 26 днів тому +9

      Why?
      So that every software dev in the world will forget make their program compatible with our package manager?

    • @gabe20244
      @gabe20244 26 днів тому +1

      @@SnowTheParrot ? Flatpak exists and is default on cosmic

    • @themadoneplays7842
      @themadoneplays7842 26 днів тому +4

      Yes but fedora doesnt have a LTS.

  • @abd5139
    @abd5139 26 днів тому +1

    I will definitely give a try if there is a fedora 41 spin

    • @SavvyNik
      @SavvyNik  26 днів тому

      Same here quite excited

  • @willi1978
    @willi1978 26 днів тому +3

    i wonder how the gnome team feels now. they made system76 create a new desktop environment and it looks like the community is growing. with better developer experience on cosmic side, it might be the start of gnome's decline

  • @derrekvanee4567
    @derrekvanee4567 26 днів тому +1

    Gnomey, aka - *Why?!*

  • @darknetworld
    @darknetworld 26 днів тому

    I feel sad for windows os as this could stream lines to way to produce app with help of users. Linux is open src and those dev must have work hard. To build and uniform all app and UI design is great. The hard part is maintain it. It come down to money and leadership.

  • @JeanValjean-cp9ru
    @JeanValjean-cp9ru 26 днів тому +3

    I'm not interested if it's not rock solid and (almost) bug free..

    • @SavvyNik
      @SavvyNik  26 днів тому +12

      That's why they're taking there time with the official release. I think we're going to have rock solid release :)

    • @JeanValjean-cp9ru
      @JeanValjean-cp9ru 26 днів тому +3

      @@SavvyNik Hope so! 👍

    • @mmstick
      @mmstick 26 днів тому +9

      QA regression testing begins with the beta, but it's already quite stable despite the lack of QA approvals.

  • @gabe20244
    @gabe20244 26 днів тому +2

    First?
    Edit: Was definitely first :D

  • @themadoneplays7842
    @themadoneplays7842 26 днів тому

    Eh i still have doubts about it, theres so much here that reminds me of unity and we all know how well that went.

    • @mmstick
      @mmstick 26 днів тому +9

      There's absolutely no comparison whatsoever. Unity was a X11 GNOME fork that required a lot of patches to GTK and GNOME applications. COSMIC is a completely independent Wayland desktop that doesn't rely on any forked GNOME libraries or applications.

    • @Lestibournes
      @Lestibournes 26 днів тому

      Unity wasn't any kind of fork.
      ​@@mmstick

    • @mmstick
      @mmstick 26 днів тому +7

      @@Lestibournes Go ahead and try building it. The reason why it was never successfully packaged outside of Ubuntu is because it required patching GTK and other GNOME libraries and applications. COSMIC doesn't require patching anything. It does not rely on GTK at all. All COSMIC binaries are self-contained and built from their own toolkit. So there's no overlap with GNOME packaging.

  • @elieobeid77
    @elieobeid77 13 днів тому

    Cosmic is so ugly, who wants to have blue borders on their windows, and iit's not original either, if the video didn't mention cosmic, I would have thought it's a badly themed gnome, not sure what the hype is about? In a world where you can pick any desktop environment you want and modify it to your liking, you pick cosmic? really? Elementary OS looks 1000 times better btw

  • @gambinante
    @gambinante 26 днів тому

    I still don't get it. Why develop a new DE?, What's the reasoning behind the Cosmic Desktop?. To me it seems bloated.

    • @alexstone691
      @alexstone691 26 днів тому +13

      All DEs fall short in some aspects, and none merge tiling and floating into one

    • @clankfish
      @clankfish 26 днів тому +15

      the word bloat has lost all meaning

    • @mmstick
      @mmstick 26 днів тому +22

      That's already been explained. It's also the complete opposite of "bloated". With language like that, I doubt your intentions.

    • @cryofwill1416
      @cryofwill1416 26 днів тому +1

      You are bloated