At this moment I agree. But I am stuck with an older, though excellent AVR-2309. Only 2K and suits my current TV, but I am about to buy a new 4K TV. Having something future proof (8K) can matter unless you are upgrading every few years. But how many people actually use the +9 speakers setup or a multiple lever speaker position? Virtually nobody I guess.
So after the first two days of Denon announcements and videos this is still the best video. You do such a great job of keeping them short, informative, and better than the others. Sorry Gene and Spare Change.
Enjoyed the video, lots of good info, and I love that you had "chapters" marked in your video. After 8-9 years of loving my Onkyo TX-NR609, it's been having HDMI & power-off issues, so looking at my options for a replacement, and Denon is certainly at the top of my list.
@@TechnoDad Going with the X2700H, which looks like a great bang for the buck and is readily available. Had also considered the S960H, but it's not readily in stock and the extra features & expense of the 2700 make it a worthwhile investment.
Again, Techno Dad is killing it with the info. Definitely picking up the X3700h to go with my LG CX in the gaming room. The x6700x sounds awesome but there no way I will replace my Anthem AV60 in the HT. Excited for July!
@@TechnoDad You need at least 48 Gbps bandwidth to support the full HDMI 2.1 profile. They capped the one HDMI 2.1 port at 40 Gbps. You will have to update once again. It's like the early days of 4k where chipsets lagged behind 4k media. Then to make things work, you had to either upgrade again or bypass your receiver or pre-amp and send video directly to your set and send audio via HDMI2 outputs for surround decoding. These 2020 models are still a day late and a dollar short.
I ain't worried about that. My OLED looks insane. And I can't really tell a big difference between hdr10 and Dolby vision. Having Auto low latency mode and variable refresh rate with e arc on a receiver sounds good tho
@@TechnoDad Honestly I suffer from anxiety , PTSD and depression. So a pandemic and civil unrest has been particularly hard for me. Luckily my children and wife have been bright lights in what seems like a dark endless night. I appreciate you asking. Sorry I haven't been attending the happy hours. That time has been spent watching movies . My mind constantly races about the worst possible scenarios so I have to occupy it. I am very thankful for you, Michael, and Joe. I look forward to your content. All three of you have created a wonderful community that I find comfort and safety in. Thank you.
I've got a Denon X2700H and I disconnected my active Subby and I found it made the AVR "behave" better when turning on my cable TV which is connected to the Denon
Nice!! THIS TechnoDad knows what he wants....in the future (most likely the 9. channel X4700H for me). Glad to see them continuing improving. Time to save up for sure. Cant wait for your review once you get it.
Thanks Stephen! Yeah, I might try out that front wide business as I don't have room for two more height channels in my living room. The X4700H will be a solid contender. I had the X4400H for six months, it was great!
@@TechnoDad I need to get some height speakers if I plan to upgrade. Those SVS Peime Elevation speakers look like a good fit. I currently only have the 5.1 system with my old Onkyo AVR TX-SR705 that partially crapped out so its been a while since Ive been able to enjoy movies in my living room with surround sound :( Also my SVS Sub died after watching the deep bass scene in Hulk. Need to figure out if its the speaker or amp that needs to be fixed. Too much to do and been out of work for 1.5+ years now so really hard to spend on amything. Hope to one day....keep up the good work
Great video Channa, a lot of good things with the new receivers. If there was some things I would wish for that doesn’t seem to be are: full 2.1 on multiple ports, more power and lets get a sexy display like the NAD t778.
I'm new to Denon AVR's but I have just ordered an x3700h for my sitting room and an S960h for my bedroom, both will be connected to Klipsch speakers. I cannot wait to get them :)
Great information, thx for the detailed informative video. I think this HDMI 2.1 is still too early and all over the place. I am completely happy going from AVR to Separates. Fully enjoying my AVM60, won't upgrade until I get a full HDMI 2.1 on all of my HDMI connections!!
Hey Techno Dad, Now that I Got My Fist Oled, What Do I Plug in The HDMI Port Saying 4K 120HZ in the Back of the LG CX Tv??? What Devices Would Be Appropriate for that Port???
Really stoked about the 2020 Denon AVR’s, new features are awesome!! A bit bummed tho that the new receivers didn’t increase their power on 8 ohms speakers but still a great receivers especially the HDMI 2.1 features ❤️ I might get the 6500H instead tho as it’s cheaper and don’t need 13 channel processing. Great video as always! 👍
I don't think they will ever add power from the current levels. That being said, the current models. will be discounted for sure. Just don't. know when that will happen.
You keep saying there is only one source. In fact there are three, home theater PC gaming, Xbox Series X and PS5 will all be relevant sources that will be served by HDMI 2.1 in late 2020 or early 2021. Denon kind of dropped the ball here. 1 is better than none, but two at least would make more sense.
Oh yeah, that's true. Even though I have XB1X, PS4 Pro, and a gaming PC, I mostly use the XB1X. A/V Receivers have always been behind tech by about 3 - 5 years. I bet in 2 or 3 years we will see more AVRs with multiple HDMI 2.1 inputs.
Just bought 2 pairs of SVS PE speakers for $200 a pair (6/12/2020). Amazon is $400. Gonna upgrade from a sony dn1080 to either a Denon x3700h or x4700h.
I'm considering replacing my Onkyo RZ840 with a Denon AVR BUT my Onkyo is only 6 months old. I'm also replacing my Yamaha speakers with Klipsch. It'll take awhile but I'll get there ;)
Everyone is saying the 8k upgrade isn’t worth upgrading ur gear....to tell u the truth, their right....BUT... the video processing! ,the preamp mode!, 13ch of processing! Win, win, win! Wtg Denon!!
Save the money, don't buy a new AVR. Plug the PS5 direct into the LG OLED and get an affordable AVR like the Sony. It does all the fancy Atmos and DTS-X stuff via eARC. Plus, the LG has 4 (!) HDMI 2.1 Ports.
@@CaptHotah Into the AVR... I don't have a Sounbar. I have the Monitor Audio Silver 300 5.1 configuration with Atmos Speakers from Dali. pretty decent set up. I just wanna say, you don't need anHDMI 2.1 AVR...
PS5 won't do 4k 120 on anything except little arcade games and racing simulators. 99% of AAA games will only do 4k 60fps at best. New Asassins Creed is apparently 4k 30fps.
Thanks for the info on these Denon’s TechnoDad any idea when we will see a refresh In the Marantz side of the house? I still love AV 6014 but it’s cool to geek out on the new stuff.
4700h, i tried two new units. Bluetooth does not work right on either. Music stops and starts. USB does not recognize an iphone so plugging it in does not work either. Denon Tech could not figure it out as we tried lots. Five calls to Denon Sales; call time 1-1.5 hours per call. (terrible customer "sales" support, Tech support was immediate) Now Heos did play the music without any problems, but Apps don't last or are not supported forever and i did not care for the App. The receiver did sound great though
HDMI 2.1 is really underappreciated because 48Gbps or even 40Gbps is an amazing way to future proof and I think 4k at 120fps with 3D audio and better visuals like Dolby Vision should be the high end standard. Quick question why are HDMI 2.1 ports being nerfed ? I appreciate your videos
Great question Darius! I think it's because there are no 12 bit panels and so TV makers are removing those 8 Gbps as the current TVs can't support it. Since the TV makers aren't supporting it, then the AVR makers don't need to support it either. At least, that's what I think is happening here.
My though is , you don't actually need the 48Gbps. You need only that speed if you have a display that support 444 chroma with 12bit panel. The average consumers don't have anything like that and there isn't a display on the market with 12bit panel yet. Correct m if i'm wrong. 40Gbps is just fine for everything.
Wow it keeps changing all the time. IM still kicking around with my DENON 7200WA model that supports AURO 3D up to 10 channels if you have the top surround channel. I think I m going to wait a bit till there is 8K content. When I got my AVR at the time there weren't any 4K content on disc till a year later.
how do you compare denon's with the same price level pioneer elite series. I know pioneer hasn't released 2020 models and lack's hdmi 2.1 but it seems like other than hdmi 2.1 denon did not do much on the other stuff ( i don't care about 9, 11 or 13 channel much since i don't have room to add more speakers). I like more crisp sounds better and it seems like denon is more on the softer side and feels like more digitized. your thoughts? thanks,
I can’t speak for this year’s Denon models but I have a 2018 X8500H and I think it blows away the higher end Onkyo and Pioneer receivers both in sound and features.
I am looking forward to upgrading my Radio Shack receiver adding in a few extra channels. You said something about a $20.00 app for the phone what is that? Thanks for the info on the new X6700H Have a blessed week.
They are a bit too steep for me. Never get an AVR for music listening, the amount you have to pay to get decent power and sound is a minimum of 3 grand. I go the route of buying a under 600 dollar AVR and get a nice 1000-1500 dollar amp.
The Denon AVR-X2700H is suffering from eArc issues using eArc and a games console via eArc and sound mode selection. Not using bitstream, but LPCM. It only happens when the source is eARC (ie internal apps from the TV when eARC is enabled or using a games console via eArc). The Denon app shows Multi-channel PCM input, however, the output options are not the same when receiving multi-channel PCM from an input directly connected to the receiver. When using eArc on my TV connected to the Denon, the denon receives multichannel PCM input from the TV, but when I go to select a sound mode on the receiver, I only have a choice of multichannel stereo, stereo or DSur. Why will it not let me select a sound mode like Multichannel PCM? It should let me output the same format as what the receiver is receiving? Like Input-Multichannel PCM Output-Multichannel PCM. There is a clearly a bug with this receiver, that will not let me output Multichannel PCM as a sound mode over eArc. Input (eARC multi channel PCM): Output (choices are Stereo, DSur, Multi Ch Stereo): Can test this to see if they have been able to get Multichannel PCM sound mode output? Rather than Stereo, DSur, Multichannel stereo? I am sure this is a bug with the latest receivers? And needs fixing via firmware update.
Sorry, but can you confirm or not if the "regular" 4K HDMI ports, also support all the HDMI 2.1 features, ALLM/VRR/QFT/QMS , or are just HDMI 2.0b regular ports with some of those features (or none)?!
the only thing 'extra' on the 8k HDMI port is the ability to handle the bandwidth for 8k - all of the other ports give all the 2.1 features other than that
I only have a small lounge with the denon 2700h and am limited to 5.1 wish i could have 2 additional rear speakers but it still sounds great with my tannoy hts 101 xp system
@@TechnoDad its more punchier than my yamaha rx667 amp. I just let the denon auto setup the sound unless people can advise me tye best settings for a 5.1 speaker system
Hey technodad! I have a difficult question. I have an Phillips oled ultra 4K tv 120hz. But the hdmi output is 60 hz. Now I am buying a denon 4700 and a PS5. But now my question is can my denon make it 120hz on my tv? Because the tv output is only 4K 60. I hope you understand my question haha 😂
I know overall that the 3700H is a better receiver but I only get one HDMI 2.1 and the Yamaha RX - V6 a comes with 3 for half the price? Or 1/3 the price if I get the Costco version?
I have been thinking of either 3600H which has been out of stock for some time (everywhere). I will now be looking for 3700H, thanks to your video. That is out of stockas well everywhere, not sure what's up with Denon.
Hi, I would like to hear your thoughts about the 2 DAC AK4458VN chips [on the AVR-X6700H ] vs.the 8 DAC - AK4490EQ chips on the AVR-X8500H. Is there a difference in sound/presence/soundstage/etc.? Thanks! Roy
Hi Techno Dad, I'm from Brazil and I'd like to compliment you for the channel, wonderful work. So, I've got a Yamaha RX-V383, a 5.1 system and I want to upgrade for an Atmos, but I'm struggling between an RX-V685 and a Denon X3400H, which you've reviewed. Since Yamaha has announced that clients will have hdmi eARC through a firmware update, my concerns are about HDR 10+, which none of them display, and the sound quality (I only have listened to Yamaha). If you don't mind, I'd really appreciate your opinion about which of them you'd recommend.
My home theater is locked down. Currently working on a gaming room setup that focuses on eARC, LG CX, GSYNC, VRR, ALLM, and ATMOS. Looking for a receiver to replace my Denon x3300w in this space. Not worried about HDMI 2.1 since the latest Denon only has one 2.1 input which is pretty much useless for some since I have multiple consoles and a PC. Much rather use eARC and go directly to the TV with my gaming devices. That being said, what receivers would you guys recommend in the $1400 range? Leaning towards the Marantz SR6014 and the Denon AVR-X3600H. Thanks!
Any thoughts on when the Denon AVR-X8500H will be replaced and will the next model have 15 channels of processing? Many thanks for the great content you are producing.
Isnt there supposed to be a denon x8500 successor like x8700 or am I wrong about that and which one is still king considering the x8500 can push all 13 channels without an amplifier? Which one should I get the x6700 or the x8500? Still undecided
How depressing, after Christmas of 2019 got x4500 H are great price, from your advice Shauna. Love the my AVR, no way upgrading. Are these now made in Japan? Japan said they were bringing back factories, cause Wuhan virus.
I think the X6700H and X8500H are made in Japan. I would say wait like 3 - 5 years with the X4500H. If you upgrade to 8K, then you might think of upgrading the AVR.
I am not only a newbie, but very uneducated I will say. I am prewiring for a surround sound/whole home audio in 2 areas: 7.2 surround in great room, and a 5.1 surround in outdoor kitchen. Will a 13 channel AVR work here or do I need two AVRs? Please provide education to be able to have TV surround and music in these areas, preferably the ability for TV in one area and music in the other at the same time. Techno Dad is awesome.
Hi Richard! Great question! I would do an Atmos setup for your great room and a two channel setup outside with all weather style speakers. You can use a big 11 channel AVR with Zone 2 controls for the outside, or just have the outside be separate and possibly just have phones/tablets run the music and volume.
Great video. If i put all my devices on this receiver how do i control my TV to change into different video modes automated? My TV is LG C9 with AVR-960H
Hi, great video and thanks for getting the info so early, I’ve been waiting a seemingly long time for the new gen AVRs to land. What is the HDMI 2.1 feature that ISN’T there? Or is it just that bandwidth is capped at 40Gbps instead of 48?
I currently have the Onkyo TX-NR646 for my 5.1 setup. JBL (ES100) as the FRONT speakers along with REARS (ES20) and SUB (ES250) from JBL. I feel my AVR is underpowered for my JBL ES100 so I wanted to get the AVC-X4700H being more powerful in terms of power amplification, features and future -proof. I am a newbie so please advice me whether should I get this new 4700H for both music and movies ??
Do you think that 2021 receivers will feature an entire complement of HDMI 2.1 ports, or is that just wishful thinking on my part? Having the one HDMI 2.1 port on the x2700h is great, don’t get me wrong, but I probably won’t upgrade until the receiver has multiple 2.1s
Hey Nick, great question! Yamaha has released the new V6A ($599) that has three HDMI 2.1 inputs and one HDMI 2.1 output, so that's a good sign. I still don't know what will happen with Onkyo and Pioneer. What Yamaha did might kick Denon into releasing something similar with their lower end AVRs.
Man, the one HDMI 2.1 is a deal breaker. So if I owned a Series X and PS5 only one of them can use the 2.1 at a time? I was looking at the Denon X2700H.
Hello 👋 Hello, I need your help, which is better, Denon 2700 or Marantz 6015, I bought an 820f Klips, I don't know which one fits these speakers, thank you
Love your videos! New to this type of technology. I have the Yamaha 2080 would the average person even hear or see the difference from 2.0 to 2.1? Also is the new Denon worth getting for 8k due to no movies having it as of now?
Thank you for posting reviews, following you closely on your tv and AVR reviews. Quick question I am based in Dubai, planning to get denon 3700h from US, have a confusion regarding the voltage support, if I buy stepup transformer will it add any audio distortion?? Do you see any challenges ??
I think the reason why they are offering these specs priced down because the soundbar atmos setup are doing good on consumers. Av receivers should be offered in a very competitive price or offer the wisa intgration or wireless setup
Finally 13.2 processor for 2.5 k. I expect this X6700 to go under 2k in couple of mounths. P.S. I know there is Emotiva processor out there for this price but it doesn't have AURO 3D.
Question, Because of the hdmi 2.1 chipset bug, i need some advice. I'm going to buy a receiver and a ps5 in the next few weeks. Which one do you advice, Denon 3600 or the 3700. I dont care about 8k, but 4k/120 gaming would be interesting in the future. But now there is a bug, what would you advice. And second question: Will this feautures do work despite the bug (VRR (Variable Refresh Rate) ALLM (Auto Low Latency Mode) eARC (Enhanced Audio Return Channel) QFT (Quick Frame Transport) QMS (Quick Media Switching) DSC (Display Stream Compression)
Stephen - Frankly Stephen I don’t think you’ll have to worry - it will be a long time before 8K becomes mainstream. You can barely see the improvement of 8K over 4K and it’s only available on TV’s larger than 65 inches. Below that size, the difference is really not perceptible to the human eye. I don’t really think it will take off in a big way, because the general public won’t see the need for it. It reminds me of what DIDN’T happen to DVD. When Blu-ray was introduced around 2005, it was generally assumed by the AV industry that DVD’s would die out over the succeeding few years as consumers all gravitated to purchasing the higher quality BD discs. However that’s not what happened !! To this day,15 years later, DVD’s are still selling incredibly strongly - at least on par with BD sales. That is the situation here in Australia, and I suspect it is the same in the US and the rest of the world. It just goes to show that the average person in the street, those non-videophiles, are quite happy with the average, SD quality of DVD’s !!
@@Nicholas.T I guess to you're point that is why I'm also hoping big screen tvs come down. Have a 82in now and frankly I wish they made them closer to 100inch before going to the 20k range or having to go with a projector. But that's exactly why I look forward to 8k one day. Also I mentioned the two ports because come December there is a high chance I'll get both consoles so right off the bat I won't have the full support of both without having to switch the cables. Not the end of the world but no ideal. The point is trying to future proof and alresdy, less than 5 months after the release, I'm already having to do workarounds with the product with current day devices.
Hi everyone! I am completely new to the receiver world. Please dont shoot me but I've always just bought all-in-one theater systems. I am now ready to delve into the "buy a receiver and speakers of your choice to complete your home theater" system. I was recommended by a few audiophiles that the Denon AVR-X2700H is a great choice for me and my budget. However, I am not able to find this receiver available anywhere. Is this still pending release or is it just sold out everywhere? Thanks so much! Is
Hi! That’s one of the new Denon’s 2020 lineup. It should be out in August according to their press release. Here’s a video about the new lineup - ua-cam.com/video/ZSDui5q4tJc/v-deo.html
@@TechnoDad Yea I am still deciding on which one to get 4700H or 6700H. My deciding factor is DTS-X Pro on the 6700H and if it's worth it or really need it.
Hello! On these modern AVR's is there any technical difference in terms to sound quality between the master volume, speaker level volume, channel level volume and input source volume ? Is increasing any of the above, together or separately (except the master volume) affects the sound adversely ? Cheers!
Great video techno dad. You got me stoked for the new denon. I currently have marantz but it doesn't have the full 2.1 hdmi bandwidth. Do you have any 2.1 hdmi recommendations when it comes to cables? Fiber optic? Ect.. BTW I emailed you back in regards to copies of movies with auro 3d encoded.
To be be totally honest, these new Denon (and soon Marantz) models don't have full HDMI 2.1 bandwidth either. The one 2.1 chipset port is 40 Gbps and so a partial solution. You need at least 48 Gbps for full HDMI 2.1. As for Auro3D, it is almost universally dead as a format. There are a handful of Blu-ray titles and a few music Blu-ray's from overseas that include Auro3D encoding. Concentrate instead on Dolby Atmos and DTS: X.
@@dan_hitchman007 I agree having a partial bandwith of 40gbps is not the same as 48gbps. Ive always had a hard time telling which brand of reciever is better. Marantz or denon. Some say denon for movies and marantz for music. As for auro 3d I respectfully disagree auro 3d is an intriguing technology. The upmixer to me is the best of them all.
@@TechnoDad sounds good 👍. I thought you forgot about me. I'm very much intrigued by the copies and have no problem for donations and what not. Recently got jumanji from Russia 🇷🇺 and may i say it sounds fantastic. The US 🇺🇸 needs to adopt auro 3d. The upmixer is amazing for gaming as well.
@@jonathanb3886 Marantz normally has better op-amp circuitry for a cleaner signal. As for Auro3D, you're confusing Auro's immersive surround codec (Auro3D) with Auromatic, their upmixer. Auro3D is used on virtually little to no home video or audio releases. It's almost always Dolby Atmos or DTS: X.
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Thanks Sami!
we are ALL TechnoDads here watching this channel :)
Nobody cares about 8K, but 4K 120hz, VRR and Auto Low Latency plus all the new audio features, I am all in for the new Denon.
My words exactly 👌😎
What new audio features? Auro 3D?
@@AexoeroV AAAAAAAND.....?
Absolutely Agree!
At this moment I agree. But I am stuck with an older, though excellent AVR-2309. Only 2K and suits my current TV, but I am about to buy a new 4K TV. Having something future proof (8K) can matter unless you are upgrading every few years. But how many people actually use the +9 speakers setup or a multiple lever speaker position? Virtually nobody I guess.
These new AVRs are legit. Lots of great features, I might finally upgrade my X4400. Thanks for the great vid brother!
You bet!
Do you want to sell your x4400?
@@darellsnedacar7153 I just might in the coming months, are you in Canada?
Hey man the quality of you video now is awesome. This camera rocks!
Thank you!
So after the first two days of Denon announcements and videos this is still the best video. You do such a great job of keeping them short, informative, and better than the others. Sorry Gene and Spare Change.
Wow, thank you Rockhurst! I appreciate the kind words.
Best intro music in the biz.
Thanks!!!
According to audioholics, the X3600H already has a pre amp mode where the internal amps are decoupled when you use an external amp.
Enjoyed the video, lots of good info, and I love that you had "chapters" marked in your video. After 8-9 years of loving my Onkyo TX-NR609, it's been having HDMI & power-off issues, so looking at my options for a replacement, and Denon is certainly at the top of my list.
Glad you enjoyed it! Which Denon model are you looking at?
@@TechnoDad Going with the X2700H, which looks like a great bang for the buck and is readily available. Had also considered the S960H, but it's not readily in stock and the extra features & expense of the 2700 make it a worthwhile investment.
I was waiting for this one! Thank you for the details my friend! Wish you the best! Greetings from Greece! Love you Techno Dad!
Greece! One of my favorite places on the planet!
Again, Techno Dad is killing it with the info. Definitely picking up the X3700h to go with my LG CX in the gaming room. The x6700x sounds awesome but there no way I will replace my Anthem AV60 in the HT. Excited for July!
Awesome Sam! Glad to see your excitement!
Great Video! The 6700 has me excited ! Looking forward to your review
You and me both!
I am so excited that I may trade in my 6500 for it lol
Also, future compatibility is a big meh. 8k will end up having another version of HDR that these receivers won't be able to handle.
Maybe...
@@TechnoDad You need at least 48 Gbps bandwidth to support the full HDMI 2.1 profile. They capped the one HDMI 2.1 port at 40 Gbps. You will have to update once again. It's like the early days of 4k where chipsets lagged behind 4k media. Then to make things work, you had to either upgrade again or bypass your receiver or pre-amp and send video directly to your set and send audio via HDMI2 outputs for surround decoding.
These 2020 models are still a day late and a dollar short.
I ain't worried about that. My OLED looks insane. And I can't really tell a big difference between hdr10 and Dolby vision. Having Auto low latency mode and variable refresh rate with e arc on a receiver sounds good tho
Good morning Channa . Thanks for the video. Hope you and yours are healthy and happy. God bless.
We are doing well considering, how are you guys holding up Tristan?
@@TechnoDad Honestly I suffer from anxiety , PTSD and depression. So a pandemic and civil unrest has been particularly hard for me. Luckily my children and wife have been bright lights in what seems like a dark endless night. I appreciate you asking. Sorry I haven't been attending the happy hours. That time has been spent watching movies . My mind constantly races about the worst possible scenarios so I have to occupy it. I am very thankful for you, Michael, and Joe. I look forward to your content. All three of you have created a wonderful community that I find comfort and safety in. Thank you.
Really good features in all the Receivers , especially in the x6700H ! Thank you for another great video Brother 🙋🏻♂️🔊🔊!
Thanks for watching!
You do a nice job with your videos - very professional and can see the passion for home theater that we all love!
Glad you enjoy it!
I've got a Denon X2700H and I disconnected my active Subby and I found it made the AVR "behave" better when turning on my cable TV which is connected to the Denon
Nice!! THIS TechnoDad knows what he wants....in the future (most likely the 9. channel X4700H for me). Glad to see them continuing improving. Time to save up for sure. Cant wait for your review once you get it.
Thanks Stephen! Yeah, I might try out that front wide business as I don't have room for two more height channels in my living room. The X4700H will be a solid contender. I had the X4400H for six months, it was great!
@@TechnoDad I need to get some height speakers if I plan to upgrade. Those SVS Peime Elevation speakers look like a good fit. I currently only have the 5.1 system with my old Onkyo AVR TX-SR705 that partially crapped out so its been a while since Ive been able to enjoy movies in my living room with surround sound :( Also my SVS Sub died after watching the deep bass scene in Hulk. Need to figure out if its the speaker or amp that needs to be fixed. Too much to do and been out of work for 1.5+ years now so really hard to spend on amything. Hope to one day....keep up the good work
Working on 5.1.4 in my livingroom, upgrading from 5.1.2, stoked! (X3700H...upgrade from Onkyo TX-NR676...now I can use an amp for the fronts)
Man great news and thanks for looking out for us little some the people cant afford things over 3 grand , these are exciting.
Yes, I think they are exciting!
Great video Channa, a lot of good things with the new receivers.
If there was some things I would wish for that doesn’t seem to be are: full 2.1 on multiple ports, more power and lets get a sexy display like the NAD t778.
Thanks man!! I wanna get that NAD in house soooo bad!!
I'm new to Denon AVR's but I have just ordered an x3700h for my sitting room and an S960h for my bedroom, both will be connected to Klipsch speakers. I cannot wait to get them :)
Nice Ian!! Maybe you’ll join in on the Saturday DJ sets once you have everything setup!
i hope this isnt stand if thr mill equipment
i want quality at areasonable price
Great information, thx for the detailed informative video. I think this HDMI 2.1 is still too early and all over the place. I am completely happy going from AVR to Separates. Fully enjoying my AVM60, won't upgrade until I get a full HDMI 2.1 on all of my HDMI connections!!
Totally agree. It's still too soon. Maybe two more years?
I also want full hdmi2.1.. I mean why couldn't they just do it😢
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Kind of love the dual Audyssey profile support for if I want to boost certain speakers for specific situations.
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Thanks Michael!!
Hey Techno Dad, Now that I Got My Fist Oled, What Do I Plug in The HDMI Port Saying 4K 120HZ in the Back of the LG CX Tv??? What Devices Would Be Appropriate for that Port???
Really stoked about the 2020 Denon AVR’s, new features are awesome!! A bit bummed tho that the new receivers didn’t increase their power on 8 ohms speakers but still a great receivers especially the HDMI 2.1 features ❤️ I might get the 6500H instead tho as it’s cheaper and don’t need 13 channel processing. Great video as always! 👍
I don't think they will ever add power from the current levels. That being said, the current models. will be discounted for sure. Just don't. know when that will happen.
Techno Dad Will wait for it to be discounted for sure 😂 thanks for the reply ❤️
Thanks for these thorough details. Be safe, brother.
Thanks, you too!
You keep saying there is only one source. In fact there are three, home theater PC gaming, Xbox Series X and PS5 will all be relevant sources that will be served by HDMI 2.1 in late 2020 or early 2021. Denon kind of dropped the ball here. 1 is better than none, but two at least would make more sense.
Oh yeah, that's true. Even though I have XB1X, PS4 Pro, and a gaming PC, I mostly use the XB1X. A/V Receivers have always been behind tech by about 3 - 5 years. I bet in 2 or 3 years we will see more AVRs with multiple HDMI 2.1 inputs.
wow tooo good ... thanks for the latest update.... love to see them soon.... once again thanks a ton
My pleasure 😊
I want a Top AVR but with only 7 channels. I don’t want to pay for channels I don’t need
when will Marantz release seperates (sound processor only, no amp) with these capabilities?
Probably. Not sure when, though...
Denon user here. this is exciting stuff. I'm really interesting in what the sound quality will be.
Should be on par if they are using the same DACs
Very honest evaluation. excellent job
Thanks a lot Matt!
Such a shame only one 2.1 in port, for people like me who will buy both console's this won't work.
Just bought 2 pairs of SVS PE speakers for $200 a pair (6/12/2020). Amazon is $400. Gonna upgrade from a sony dn1080 to either a Denon x3700h or x4700h.
I'm considering replacing my Onkyo RZ840 with a Denon AVR BUT my Onkyo is only 6 months old. I'm also replacing my Yamaha speakers with Klipsch. It'll take awhile but I'll get there ;)
Why upgrade the AVR so soon?
Everyone is saying the 8k upgrade isn’t worth upgrading ur gear....to tell u the truth, their right....BUT... the video processing! ,the preamp mode!, 13ch of processing! Win, win, win! Wtg Denon!!
They are definitely bringing it! Sure it falls flat on HDMI 2.1 ports, but they do pack quite a bit of new tech in that chassis.
I got disappointed with the lack of wireless surround speaker. Waiting for Yamaha 2020 line up.
That's a tough one!
Now we need the Marantz HDMI 2.1 to launch:)
Yup!! Soon enough I would imagine.
Nice. I'm all about that HDMI 2.1 for the upcoming PS5 and LG OLED's 👍
Good choice
Save the money, don't buy a new AVR. Plug the PS5 direct into the LG OLED and get an affordable AVR like the Sony. It does all the fancy Atmos and DTS-X stuff via eARC. Plus, the LG has 4 (!) HDMI 2.1 Ports.
@@DanteBellin so where am i gonna connect all my 5.2.4 speakers?? Into the ps5?? 😂😂
Us people who looks at avr videos don't use "atmos" soundbars
@@CaptHotah Into the AVR... I don't have a Sounbar. I have the Monitor Audio Silver 300 5.1 configuration with Atmos Speakers from Dali.
pretty decent set up. I just wanna say, you don't need anHDMI 2.1 AVR...
PS5 won't do 4k 120 on anything except little arcade games and racing simulators. 99% of AAA games will only do 4k 60fps at best. New Asassins Creed is apparently 4k 30fps.
Nice video waiting for this one only
Nice!
Thanks for the info on these Denon’s TechnoDad any idea when we will see a refresh In the Marantz side of the house? I still love AV 6014 but it’s cool to geek out on the new stuff.
Hello Drew! Great question. I asked them and they were clearly playing coy when they said they didn't know.
@@TechnoDad thanks so much for getting back to me!
4700h, i tried two new units. Bluetooth does not work right on either. Music stops and starts. USB does not recognize an iphone so plugging it in does not work either. Denon Tech could not figure it out as we tried lots. Five calls to Denon Sales; call time 1-1.5 hours per call. (terrible customer "sales" support, Tech support was immediate) Now Heos did play the music without any problems, but Apps don't last or are not supported forever and i did not care for the App. The receiver did sound great though
What about Marantz? They must also have a new lineup.
Soon, I think...
Reliable and wattage I was hoping for, And going to take a lot of amp to drive that many
HDMI 2.1 is really underappreciated because 48Gbps or even 40Gbps is an amazing way to future proof and I think 4k at 120fps with 3D audio and better visuals like Dolby Vision should be the high end standard. Quick question why are HDMI 2.1 ports being nerfed ? I appreciate your videos
Great question Darius! I think it's because there are no 12 bit panels and so TV makers are removing those 8 Gbps as the current TVs can't support it. Since the TV makers aren't supporting it, then the AVR makers don't need to support it either. At least, that's what I think is happening here.
My though is , you don't actually need the 48Gbps. You need only that speed if you have a display that support 444 chroma with 12bit panel. The average consumers don't have anything like that and there isn't a display on the market with 12bit panel yet. Correct m if i'm wrong. 40Gbps is just fine for everything.
@@TechnoDad that sucks balls
@@WolfRathmAGR still.. Can't go wrong with more
Sounds like some great new receivers, with some great features. I am hoping that there will be more IMAX enhanced physical media coming out.
You and me both, Haven!
I was wondering are we able to watch/listen too IMAX enhanced content through 'streaming' ?
Denon 6700 or Marantz 7015?? Which produces a better sound for home theater?
Will be replacing my Yamaha RX-A3010 with the 3700 or 4700. I'll flip the coin when shopping.
Nice! Make sure to use one of my links when you are ready to purchase either one!
Wow it keeps changing all the time. IM still kicking around with my DENON 7200WA model that supports AURO 3D up to 10 channels if you have the top surround channel. I think I m going to wait a bit till there is 8K content. When I got my AVR at the time there weren't any 4K content on disc till a year later.
Right now, waiting is probably a good idea...
how do you compare denon's with the same price level pioneer elite series. I know pioneer hasn't released 2020 models and lack's hdmi 2.1 but it seems like other than hdmi 2.1 denon did not do much on the other stuff ( i don't care about 9, 11 or 13 channel much since i don't have room to add more speakers). I like more crisp sounds better and it seems like denon is more on the softer side and feels like more digitized. your thoughts? thanks,
I can’t speak for this year’s Denon models but I have a 2018 X8500H and I think it blows away the higher end Onkyo and Pioneer receivers both in sound and features.
I don't know too much about Pioneer as they haven't sent me anything to review.
Techno Dad, seems like their loss 😉
I know I'll be upgrading to this 💪 look out neighbors 😁
Woot woot!!
I am looking forward to upgrading my Radio Shack receiver adding in a few extra channels. You said something about a $20.00 app for the phone what is that? Thanks for the info on the new X6700H Have a blessed week.
These are the receivers I've been looking for. The only question is which one to get.
Depends on your budget and what speaker configuration/features you are looking to have in your home.
They are a bit too steep for me. Never get an AVR for music listening, the amount you have to pay to get decent power and sound is a minimum of 3 grand. I go the route of buying a under 600 dollar AVR and get a nice 1000-1500 dollar amp.
The Denon AVR-X2700H is suffering from eArc issues using eArc and a games console via eArc and sound mode selection. Not using bitstream, but LPCM.
It only happens when the source is eARC (ie internal apps from the TV when eARC is enabled or using a games console via eArc). The Denon app shows Multi-channel PCM input, however, the output options are not the same when receiving multi-channel PCM from an input directly connected to the receiver.
When using eArc on my TV connected to the Denon, the denon receives multichannel PCM input from the TV, but when I go to select a sound mode on the receiver, I only have a choice of multichannel stereo, stereo or DSur.
Why will it not let me select a sound mode like Multichannel PCM? It should let me output the same format as what the receiver is receiving? Like Input-Multichannel PCM Output-Multichannel PCM.
There is a clearly a bug with this receiver, that will not let me output Multichannel PCM as a sound mode over eArc.
Input (eARC multi channel PCM):
Output (choices are Stereo, DSur, Multi Ch Stereo):
Can test this to see if they have been able to get Multichannel PCM sound mode output? Rather than Stereo, DSur, Multichannel stereo?
I am sure this is a bug with the latest receivers? And needs fixing via firmware update.
I just wish it was full hdmi2.1! 😢 Mabe Marantz will be full hdmi2.1 🤔
I doubt it.
Hey man I found this. Yamaha RX-V6A. It will release in October and have multiple 2.1 HDMI.
@@TechnoDad any ideas what we’re actually losing out on being only 40 instead of 48?
I bought the 8500 on sale for 3000 knowing you can get firmware update for all the new perks plus you can send in your 8500 for a 2.1 upgrade :)
Wow! That was a great deal!
@@TechnoDad they usually go on sale a few times a year :)
Sorry, but can you confirm or not if the "regular" 4K HDMI ports, also support all the HDMI 2.1 features, ALLM/VRR/QFT/QMS , or are just HDMI 2.0b regular ports with some of those features (or none)?!
Nuno Guerreiro this!!!
the only thing 'extra' on the 8k HDMI port is the ability to handle the bandwidth for 8k - all of the other ports give all the 2.1 features other than that
David Burton is this confirmed?
Khakimzhan I thought this was said explicitly during the denon press launch ?
@@Khakimzhan yup - the live presentation said it - I would add a screen grab but it won't let me
I only have a small lounge with the denon 2700h and am limited to 5.1 wish i could have 2 additional rear speakers but it still sounds great with my tannoy hts 101 xp system
Honestly, I don't think you get much out of those surround back channels.
@@TechnoDad its more punchier than my yamaha rx667 amp. I just let the denon auto setup the sound unless people can advise me tye best settings for a 5.1 speaker system
Hey technodad! I have a difficult question. I have an Phillips oled ultra 4K tv 120hz. But the hdmi output is 60 hz. Now I am buying a denon 4700 and a PS5. But now my question is can my denon make it 120hz on my tv? Because the tv output is only 4K 60. I hope you understand my question haha 😂
was going to buy the 3600 but noticed that it is out of stock. guess i'm better off waiting for the 3700 then
Yeah, those have been out for a while.
I love your video quality
Thank you!
I know overall that the 3700H is a better receiver but I only get one HDMI 2.1 and the Yamaha RX - V6 a comes with 3 for half the price? Or 1/3 the price if I get the Costco version?
I have been thinking of either 3600H which has been out of stock for some time (everywhere). I will now be looking for 3700H, thanks to your video. That is out of stockas well everywhere, not sure what's up with Denon.
The X3700H will not be available until mid - July.
Hi,
I would like to hear your thoughts about the 2 DAC AK4458VN chips [on the AVR-X6700H ] vs.the 8 DAC - AK4490EQ chips on the AVR-X8500H. Is there a difference in sound/presence/soundstage/etc.?
Thanks!
Roy
Hi Techno Dad, I'm from Brazil and I'd like to compliment you for the channel, wonderful work. So, I've got a Yamaha RX-V383, a 5.1 system and I want to upgrade for an Atmos, but I'm struggling between an RX-V685 and a Denon X3400H, which you've reviewed. Since Yamaha has announced that clients will have hdmi eARC through a firmware update, my concerns are about HDR 10+, which none of them display, and the sound quality (I only have listened to Yamaha). If you don't mind, I'd really appreciate your opinion about which of them you'd recommend.
Hope they added 1440p support
My home theater is locked down. Currently working on a gaming room setup that focuses on eARC, LG CX, GSYNC, VRR, ALLM, and ATMOS. Looking for a receiver to replace my Denon x3300w in this space. Not worried about HDMI 2.1 since the latest Denon only has one 2.1 input which is pretty much useless for some since I have multiple consoles and a PC. Much rather use eARC and go directly to the TV with my gaming devices.
That being said, what receivers would you guys recommend in the $1400 range? Leaning towards the Marantz SR6014 and the Denon AVR-X3600H.
Thanks!
Any thoughts on when the Denon AVR-X8500H will be replaced and will the next model have 15 channels of processing? Many thanks for the great content you are producing.
No clue, Rob! I'm waiting to find out just like you.
Isnt there supposed to be a denon x8500 successor like x8700 or am I wrong about that and which one is still king considering the x8500 can push all 13 channels without an amplifier? Which one should I get the x6700 or the x8500? Still undecided
How depressing, after Christmas of 2019 got x4500 H are great price, from your advice Shauna. Love the my AVR, no way upgrading. Are these now made in Japan? Japan said they were bringing back factories, cause Wuhan virus.
I think the X6700H and X8500H are made in Japan. I would say wait like 3 - 5 years with the X4500H. If you upgrade to 8K, then you might think of upgrading the AVR.
Not all full 48gbits hdmi 2.1 ports, it's a no go for me.
Nope, just one at 40 Gbps.
I am not only a newbie, but very uneducated I will say. I am prewiring for a surround sound/whole home audio in 2 areas: 7.2 surround in great room, and a 5.1 surround in outdoor kitchen. Will a 13 channel AVR work here or do I need two AVRs? Please provide education to be able to have TV surround and music in these areas, preferably the ability for TV in one area and music in the other at the same time. Techno Dad is awesome.
Hi Richard! Great question! I would do an Atmos setup for your great room and a two channel setup outside with all weather style speakers. You can use a big 11 channel AVR with Zone 2 controls for the outside, or just have the outside be separate and possibly just have phones/tablets run the music and volume.
I am from Mumbai,India
Great video. If i put all my devices on this receiver how do i control my TV to change into different video modes automated? My TV is LG C9 with AVR-960H
Awesome video brother. Im saving my coins for a new new projector and a new receiver.
Nice Oden! Pricey stuff for sure!!
Hi, great video and thanks for getting the info so early, I’ve been waiting a seemingly long time for the new gen AVRs to land. What is the HDMI 2.1 feature that ISN’T there? Or is it just that bandwidth is capped at 40Gbps instead of 48?
Hello Peter! It’s just the cap on bandwidth.
I currently have the Onkyo TX-NR646 for my 5.1 setup. JBL (ES100) as the FRONT speakers along with REARS (ES20) and SUB (ES250) from JBL. I feel my AVR is underpowered for my JBL ES100 so I wanted to get the AVC-X4700H being more powerful in terms of power amplification, features and future -proof.
I am a newbie so please advice me whether should I get this new 4700H for both music and movies ??
I wonder if the Marantz SR5015, 6015, 7015 will be announced down the line...
I bet it may be soon...not sure though.
Question: As DTSX-Pro allows up to 32 speakers, does this mean the 8500HA (upgraded) will allow processing of all 15 of its channels?
I have no idea...
Techno Dad For what it’s worth, Shane from Spare Change says the X8500H will process all 15 channels with DTS-X Pro.
Do you think that 2021 receivers will feature an entire complement of HDMI 2.1 ports, or is that just wishful thinking on my part? Having the one HDMI 2.1 port on the x2700h is great, don’t get me wrong, but I probably won’t upgrade until the receiver has multiple 2.1s
Hey Nick, great question! Yamaha has released the new V6A ($599) that has three HDMI 2.1 inputs and one HDMI 2.1 output, so that's a good sign. I still don't know what will happen with Onkyo and Pioneer. What Yamaha did might kick Denon into releasing something similar with their lower end AVRs.
Man, the one HDMI 2.1 is a deal breaker. So if I owned a Series X and PS5 only one of them can use the 2.1 at a time? I was looking at the Denon X2700H.
That sucks man! The new Yamaha V6A has three HDMI 2.1 ports and it costs around $599 and is supposed to release later this month.
Hello 👋 Hello, I need your help, which is better, Denon 2700 or Marantz 6015, I bought an 820f Klips, I don't know which one fits these speakers, thank you
Love your videos! New to this type of technology. I have the Yamaha 2080 would the average person even hear or see the difference from 2.0 to 2.1? Also is the new Denon worth getting for 8k due to no movies having it as of now?
I don’t think jumping into 8K is worth it right now. I would like more of the newer audio in these models as opposed to higher resolution.
Let me know if you wanna get rid of the yammy and upgrade.
Looking forward to a Sonos ARC review.
Hi! I probably won't be getting one of those.
Thank you for posting reviews, following you closely on your tv and AVR reviews. Quick question I am based in Dubai, planning to get denon 3700h from US, have a confusion regarding the voltage support, if I buy stepup transformer will it add any audio distortion?? Do you see any challenges ??
I think the reason why they are offering these specs priced down because the soundbar atmos setup are doing good on consumers. Av receivers should be offered in a very competitive price or offer the wisa intgration or wireless setup
Yeah, but it seems the prices keep rising.
Great job 👍 Techno Dad
Hope they don't come out with a new receiver every year.
It’s like every 9 - 15 months...
8K is coming
Wow.. Awesome
I think so!
Finally 13.2 processor for 2.5 k. I expect this X6700 to go under 2k in couple of mounths.
P.S. I know there is Emotiva processor out there for this price but it doesn't have AURO 3D.
I remember buying my X6300H on ebay from a whole sale company for $1,700 brand new...
Question,
Because of the hdmi 2.1 chipset bug, i need some advice.
I'm going to buy a receiver and a ps5 in the next few weeks.
Which one do you advice, Denon 3600 or the 3700.
I dont care about 8k, but 4k/120 gaming would be interesting in the future. But now there is a bug, what would you advice.
And second question:
Will this feautures do work despite the bug (VRR (Variable Refresh Rate)
ALLM (Auto Low Latency Mode)
eARC (Enhanced Audio Return Channel)
QFT (Quick Frame Transport)
QMS (Quick Media Switching)
DSC (Display Stream Compression)
I would look for a used X3600H if you don't want to pay for it new and then maybe pickup something new when it's all fixed in like two years.
@@TechnoDad this comment should be pinned, I almost just bought a 3700 for next gen. I’m glad I kept scrolling
Just wish at least two of the inputs did 8k which would make me feel better about future proofing. Otherwise looks good
Yeah, that would have been nice!
Stephen - Frankly Stephen I don’t think you’ll have to worry - it will be a long time before 8K becomes mainstream. You can barely see the improvement of 8K over 4K and it’s only available on TV’s larger than 65 inches. Below that size, the difference is really not perceptible to the human eye. I don’t really think it will take off in a big way, because the general public won’t see the need for it. It reminds me of what DIDN’T happen to DVD. When Blu-ray was introduced around 2005, it was generally assumed by the AV industry that DVD’s would die out over the succeeding few years as consumers all gravitated to purchasing the higher quality BD discs. However that’s not what happened !! To this day,15 years later, DVD’s are still selling incredibly strongly - at least on par with BD sales. That is the situation here in Australia, and I suspect it is the same in the US and the rest of the world. It just goes to show that the average person in the street, those non-videophiles, are quite happy with the average, SD quality of DVD’s !!
@@Nicholas.T I guess to you're point that is why I'm also hoping big screen tvs come down. Have a 82in now and frankly I wish they made them closer to 100inch before going to the 20k range or having to go with a projector. But that's exactly why I look forward to 8k one day. Also I mentioned the two ports because come December there is a high chance I'll get both consoles so right off the bat I won't have the full support of both without having to switch the cables. Not the end of the world but no ideal. The point is trying to future proof and alresdy, less than 5 months after the release, I'm already having to do workarounds with the product with current day devices.
Hi everyone! I am completely new to the receiver world. Please dont shoot me but I've always just bought all-in-one theater systems. I am now ready to delve into the "buy a receiver and speakers of your choice to complete your home theater" system. I was recommended by a few audiophiles that the Denon AVR-X2700H is a great choice for me and my budget. However, I am not able to find this receiver available anywhere. Is this still pending release or is it just sold out everywhere? Thanks so much!
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Hi! That’s one of the new Denon’s 2020 lineup. It should be out in August according to their press release. Here’s a video about the new lineup - ua-cam.com/video/ZSDui5q4tJc/v-deo.html
How to get Tidal Atmos on AVR thru HTPC?
DAMN! $2,500 for the X6700H is a great price. I swear my X6300H was $1,000 more.
I got my X6300H brand new on ebay from a wholesaler for $1,700 back in 2016.
But the problem is the preamp is only to power all channels or only 2 channel.
Yes, so you would need an amp for each channel you want to power.
@@TechnoDad Yea I am still deciding on which one to get 4700H or 6700H.
My deciding factor is DTS-X Pro on the 6700H and if it's worth it or really need it.
Hello!
On these modern AVR's is there any technical difference in terms to sound quality between the master volume, speaker level volume, channel level volume and input source volume ?
Is increasing any of the above, together or separately (except the master volume) affects the sound adversely ?
Cheers!
Great video techno dad. You got me stoked for the new denon. I currently have marantz but it doesn't have the full 2.1 hdmi bandwidth.
Do you have any 2.1 hdmi recommendations when it comes to cables? Fiber optic? Ect..
BTW I emailed you back in regards to copies of movies with auro 3d encoded.
Nice 👍 Yes, Jonathan, I have seen your email, I have a lot going on. I will try to get back to you ASAP.
To be be totally honest, these new Denon (and soon Marantz) models don't have full HDMI 2.1 bandwidth either. The one 2.1 chipset port is 40 Gbps and so a partial solution. You need at least 48 Gbps for full HDMI 2.1.
As for Auro3D, it is almost universally dead as a format. There are a handful of Blu-ray titles and a few music Blu-ray's from overseas that include Auro3D encoding. Concentrate instead on Dolby Atmos and DTS: X.
@@dan_hitchman007 I agree having a partial bandwith of 40gbps is not the same as 48gbps. Ive always had a hard time telling which brand of reciever is better. Marantz or denon. Some say denon for movies and marantz for music. As for auro 3d I respectfully disagree auro 3d is an intriguing technology. The upmixer to me is the best of them all.
@@TechnoDad sounds good 👍. I thought you forgot about me. I'm very much intrigued by the copies and have no problem for donations and what not. Recently got jumanji from Russia 🇷🇺 and may i say it sounds fantastic. The US 🇺🇸 needs to adopt auro 3d. The upmixer is amazing for gaming as well.
@@jonathanb3886 Marantz normally has better op-amp circuitry for a cleaner signal.
As for Auro3D, you're confusing Auro's immersive surround codec (Auro3D) with Auromatic, their upmixer. Auro3D is used on virtually little to no home video or audio releases. It's almost always Dolby Atmos or DTS: X.
Re HDR10+ and your comment, all I can say is that it really is good, compared to normal HDR with the movie 1917 HDR10+ is far and away much better.
Nice! I have a Samsung in the teenager’s room so I wouldn’t really know.