4:14 - Minor typo, the Direct Support Platoon is abbreviated as SAD (for Section d'appui direct) rather than SAED, which is the Dismounted Engagement Support Platoon (Section d'aide à l'engagement débarqué). Elaboration to the point at 13:12, apparently the French may be looking at getting more of the 7.62 Evolys than the 5.56 ( x.com/Marsattaqueblog/status/1802982372813557975 ). I don't know if that means the 7.62 Evolys could become a squad automatic in some squads of the platoon, but something to think about
@@Warcriminal843 The secret BL "Baguette Launcher", it's a weapon of masse destruction that may or may not be usefull if things goes bad on the frontline. But dont tell anyone !
It definitely seems like the French are taking lessons from the Ukraine conflict. A ton of organic anti tank weaponry, drones for longer range strike missions, and more mobile heavy mortars. However it does seem like that no one is trying to include any anti drone capabilities, for either the battlefield or the rear area, FPV and long range loitering drones have become a very real threat that is cheap and easily mass produceable.
Their 40mm CTA guns have very effective anti-drone munitions, and the guns elevate up to 85 degrees. The Germans are installing a radiolocation device on their autocannon turrets (on the Puma and Boxer) , to detect the radiation of incoming drones, the guns can automatically target the drones, maybe the French will make something similar. That's on top of dedicated SHORAD and EW equipment.
la France a anticipé depuis longtemps les conflits symétriques, et aujourd'hui le retour d'info sur le front Ukrainien leur a donné raison! je dirais que c'est une confirmation plus qu'un apprentissage!
11:15 - I think the "resilience" comes from the squad being able to survive the loss of a single team without completely losing its ability to engage a certain kind of target. Under the trinome system, the squad is always one grenade or one autocannon burst away from either losing both of its anti-armour weapons, or the MG and grenadier at the same time. Under the binome system the two anti-armour systems and the two anti-massed infantry systems can be kept separate from each other (because they don't answer to the same team leader), so that even after one lucky hit the squad still has the ability to engage vehicles and massed infantry (and engage at long range, if you count the DMR and MG as redundancies).
thats quite good explanation but if you ask me. none of the current doctrines are good enough. fire teams and support teams must work as buddy and respond to same leader. imagine every rifle squad has 3 man drone support team that can engage in comms real time to operate. basicly you will have minimap leader can mark lokations in real time. with proper fpv drone support no rifle suqad needs anti tank support like it used to be. let grunt be grunt dont make things complicated for them. there is no more massed infantry assult anymore. mg is basicly just fire support unit. russia using 2 by 2 infiltartion tactics. as any fpv drone will target you if you are more then 2 person. and there hundereds flying at the same time.
@@paxundpeace9970 I'd imagine they can be rather easily task organized into two fireteams if you wanted. I think the binomes are just building blocks that let you mix and match capabilities. A squad is small enough that you can just say "B,C teams you'll be with me and my A team; Cpl Bloggins, you'll be in charge of E in addition to your own D team." It isn't like a larger unit where you have to sort out staff relationships or people not knowing who their chain of command is.
The French are pushing a lot of capabilities down the TO&E! The battalion group commander and staff better get a lot of field time if they want to be good at making the pieces work together 😮
The Ukrainians are doing something similar with their units, having mixed assets like drones, mortars, HMGs, heavy grenade launchers, and atgms. so I imagine the french say that and want something similar
Honnestly I think french officers and staff are the best trained in Europe. The Saint-Cyr academy is very famous, and many others europeans countries are sending their own young officers in this academy to be trained
@@artykhaan French armed forces are able to generate real combat capability, but like any other European army, they are heavy on firepower and equipment, unable to absorb personel losses and have a very shallow reserve of manpower. The French (like almost any other Western military organization) will not be able to sustain organized combat with a neer peer opponent for long, as their manpower reserves will attreat and negate their materiel advantage.
French have been good soldiers and generally well led for a long time. WW2 was an anomaly -- really just the aftereffects of having been bled white in WW1. That said, I think the memes are unjustified and France has the most capable army and air force in Europe by a mile.
Your quality never ceases to amaze me, Battle Order, well done. I find your videos about military doctrines including the French Armed Forces ones very interesting.
That VBL replacement vehicle looks really badass. And I’m waiting for the French army to retire their VBLs to get one (they’re really badass, 4x4 and amphibious). The perfect vehicle.
Uh, as long as the French military doesn't make things TOO complicated, and keeps in mind that these regiments will be refilled by inexperienced troops all to quickly as any given conflicted progresses.
It doesn't seem anymore complicated than how it is currently. Drones are pretty simple to operate. The biggest complexity is EW but that already exists currently, just at higher echelon
@@braxtonmoore9246For the majority of human history, Soldiers have been levies. Professional Soldiers have always been the minority in large scale warfare.
@@braxtonmoore9246 you're correct to a point. But how long does it take to "Make" an 11B, or other MOSs, to the extent that they, each and in group, can be effective in Field?
NLAW at battalion level is one of the most bizzare things I've ever seen. Next are towed 120 mm mortars in 2024 and 50 km loitering munition at company level.
Same reason why Ukraine use Javelin missiles at a battalion level but the US use them at a squad level, not everyone can afford to give out expensive weapons for everyone.
@@dannyzero692 if money is the issue there's even even less point in keeping mixed AT groups. Instead of 4 Akerons in 3 squads they can have 4 ATGMs in 2 squads. Seven people and one APC less is a lot of money to be saved. BTW comparing Javelin with NLAW is third bizzare thing I've seen today.
It is not that crazy. It is same old Cold war practise of combining recoilless gun like SPG-9 and ATGM like Malyutka, where SPG covers close zone where Malyutka can't arm itself.
@@norbi1411 Akeron should have longer range. But that is not important. What is important that both have minimum effective range (150m for Akeron and 500m for Malyutka if wiki is correct) and as such you need something different to cover that zone where Akeron can't be used. That is why you get NLAW as part of battalion anti tank teams.
Just a precision, a first mortar support platoon has already been formed in an infantry regiment, the 13th Half-Brigade of the Foreign Legion (13e Demi-Brigade de Légion Étrangère), you can see a post about that on the tiwtter account of the unit.
The rush for better indirect fire support is similar to Thailand's own rush for more mobile indirect fire support options after the border wars they had with Laos & Cambodia - especially with the threat of the Myanmar Civil War leaking over the border into Thailand. It was Thailand's own experience with French Artillery Systems like the Caesar SPH and GIAT LG1 Howitzer that made them develop their own domestically produced M758 SPH (co developed with Elbit) and CS/AH2 Light Howitzer (co developed with Chinese Poly Technologies).
Adding a commando platoon to every regiment/BTGr is a really cool idea, and it's interesting to see all those NATO militaries starting to embrace deep battle concepts, focusing both on frontline and backline troops equally. Imagine how difficult it would be for a Russian or Chinese mechanised unit to operate if their C3 had to stay far away from the actual line units due to fear of being destroyed by a bunch of madmen running around their rear, getting constantly targeted and jammed. Lightning war is great and all, but we can see how armored pushes are oftentimes rarely viable like in Ukraine, so having a capability to put pressure and push an enemy without exposing your main body is a really great capability to have.
@@norbi1411 How in the world is that safer? You'll have a higher chance of losing more men AND equipment if an entire battery is exposed to the enemy artillery
Excellent video as always, although if i may still clarify, none has been fully done yet nor is it sure The VBCI for exemple has good chances to end up staying, with a brand new version rolling out with new armor, redesigned turret and 30mm canon among other things The Eryx doesnt have a clear replacer just yet, the MLAW being one, although the ERYX Missile sytem Mk2 being also on the table but slightly pricier aswell as the karl gustav For the ERYX squad, it wont necessarily dissapear, Precision shooters usually work on a compagnie level and so are no longer stuck to squads, the person replacing them usualy being either a 2iC for the SL or a specialist like a drone Operator Switching to 2 man teams instead of 3 man teams would help flexibility and manoeuvrability but also enable us to be even more aggressive in our fighting style and also carry more firepower, very useful for either ERYX or MAG 58 teams, we longer need to limit ourselves to 2 per squad, now they can be one gunner and one aid I do not work in the bureau to really know what they are thinking although this change if it goes the right way and correctly, is very welcomed
Particularly interesting video on a subject that can be difficult to produce for a non-French speaker. @BattleOrder: On the other hand, the reorganization is so massive that organization charts in image form would be useful for French speakers who are interested, as is my case. Is it possible ?
waouh this is so much work, its also beautifully made, you never disapoint Battle Order! what id like to know is what you actually think about all that? you are probably the kind of guy that think he is not competent enough to give its opinion because you actually understand how complicated it all is, but dude, you are so much more aware about those things compared to average "Jean", i'm pretty sure you could give a an educated guess without sounding pretentious! i'm also pretty sure that if theres a mistake, the large amount of actual military personnel that are watchinbg your content with awe seeing a not even french dude explain all this in a much clearer fashion than any official document would love to give their opinion and insights
Im surprised by the quality of this video, and its information. Thanks you for the work, it is alot clearer than any other infographie I had seen (In french) this far. Merci!
Just found your channel and I already know this will be a HUGE time sink for me. Also, I love your profile picture. It’s a sad reality that whenever I start to like a military or firearms channel I have to wonder “does this person think that many of my friends and family are unworthy of equal respect?” I’m glad that good people like you are out there that do respect other people no matter their identity and you’re not afraid to make that known.
The French infantry have a magazine in which they publish quite the detailed pieces of info. It’s called Fantassins and is available in both French and English on the Internet.
If I counted right France is reorganizing into 19 regiments yes? That's actually a pretty sizeable number of trigger-pullers. Among those 19 are a large number of specialized units. Hmm. I think you have to credit France for getting incredible value from her defense spending. Value as compared to other nations of course. Army navy air forces all modern and sizeable, and oh yes strategic nuclear weapons. Compare her to the UK or Germany, who spend comparable monies.
Salary in the French armed forces is nowhere near UK or even Germany. That's how. Salary is a major part of defense expenditure. Fresh lieutenant, monthly: France: 2,108 € UK: 3,052 € Germany: 3,366 € Fresh enlisted monthly: France: 1,537 € UK: 1,446 € Germany: 2,275 € A fresh German enlisted makes more than a fresh French lieutenant.
@@jonny2954: The salary you mention are true but are at least doubled when a French soldier goes abroad in a fighting mission,(Opex) thing French army does for thirty years. I believe that is not the case for a british or german officer. ( same salary at the barracks or thousand kilometres away) 3000 euros at home or abroad is not the same. and sorry but 3000 euros is a shitty pay when you can’t see your relatives for 6 months or more. The fact that you earn more when you’re away is also a way to make your family accept the situation.
@@BFOP15 Germans get "Auslandsverwendungszuschlag" too. Depending on the threat level of the mission from 48 € (fobbits) up to 145 € (combat arms) tax-free _per day_ . So a maximum of 4350 € monthly on top of the base salary. A Infantry Lieutenant comes back from a 6 month combat deployment with 26,100 € tax free on top of his base salary. Note: Base salary also increases even further if you have children.
@@buckdanny9062 In the example of a Mechanised Infantry Lieutenant as a platoon leader that man has responsibility for 36 Soldiers and more than 52 Million € of equipment. Not so little.
I’m still wondering if they’re going to adopt a 338 lm platform for their snipers, for the moment they’re one of the few European army’s with no intermediate caliber between the 7.62 and the 12.7
Regular Infantry don't, but French special forces do. They have sniper rifles like Finnish rifle Sako TRG-42 in .338 Lapua Magnum and Canadian rifle Cadex CDC-40 Shadow in .408 Chey Tac
The Small Quadcopter Bomber Drones should really be relegated to Company level, specialist Squad, attached to C&C, since they double as Reconnaissance (full team of 2x4). So you can upsize for Artillery Tube/Rocket Battery's using bigger Recon drones. The Tactical Loitering Munition (Shorter range Kamikaze) Drones should be organized as 1 whole platoon, since strikes are person directed, and provide incidental recon, and being able to be attached to Companies ad-hoc. The Medium Range Drones (Kamikaze + Recon) should be given as a whole Company and to be attached to Brigade level units, same who can direct Extended Range Fires.
It seems that many of these French doctrinal changes are similar to what is currently being implemented within the US's 1-509 IN REG for FORSCOM as a proof of concept of what an IN BN can and should be by 2030.
There is a document floating about that details the Russian infantry's lessons learned in Ukraine. In it, they recommend that infantry works in dispersed pairs, as to not attract attention from artillery. That should explain the move to binomes.
At 60-100k per NLAW the upcoming MBDA Enforcer X should be a far better choice as it should in the same price range but utilizes an active seeker instead of PLOS (Predicted Line of Sight). Germany is acquiring several hundred of the general purpose Enforcer s as the „Leichtes Wirkmittel 1800+“, based on the cost of the whole order and the number of units acquired its price is less than 90k a piece.
I think the difference is NLAW is a known quantity that’s been in service with several NATO members for years and can be delivered relatively quickly. It is only meant to be an interim solution afterall. 60-100k was the figure quoted in Fantassins but I couldnt find a proper source on it. I’ve seen claims NLAW is cheaper, like 30-40k per unit
@@BattleOrder In fact, France has also some 6X6 VAB WITH 20 MM F1 machine cannons... but most were originally reserved to Fusiliers Commando de l'air (air base defense units)... Few were in Armée de Terre... from a former staff sergeant originally serving in mechanised infantry (5° RI then 16°BCP), firstly on AMX 30B then on AMX10P... in heavy mechanised infantry regiment, we had 17 MBT (a company), 3 infantry companies on AMX10P (then 4, then 5 when removed AMX 30B). There was also a divisional CEA (Compagnie d'Eclairage et d'Appui) with VAB Hot, VAB and tracted 20 mm AA and VAB with 120 mm mortar (very strong and accurate). Slowly the AMX 10P was replaced with the VBCI. I have known the old "groupe" of 10 men under sergent command : The Sergeant, then a choc team of 4 Grenadiers Voltigeurs (2 binomes of 2) under a corporal orders and support team of 4 (2 binome of 2, one with AT 89 mm rocket launcher (or RAC 112 mm) and a binome with a ANF1 (AA52) then replaced by a minimi machine gun, then a Sniper (with FRF2 7,62 mm or FRF1 7,5 mm then the PGM Hecate 12,7 mm)... this system was abandonned in mid 90's for 1 sergent and 3 trinomes of 3. The professionalisation of the french army let the mechanised infantry platoon passing from 1 off/4 NCO's/27 soldiers (conscripts) (or 0/5/27) to a 1/9/27 with a NCO in each armoured car and one with each infantry groupe ... the platton was often a Lieutenant... but sometimes a Sergeant Major or even an Adjudant-Chef could lead... then there was a second to leader (Adjudant-Chef or Adjudant or even Sergent-Chef), then young sergeants as group leader (sometimes very experienced Chief Corporal 1st class). The professional and the more modern and complkexe armoured car asked more NCO's.
It is all nice but as long as the French army (or any european countriy for that matter) does not have quantities in terms of industrial capacities and stock to face a major conflict (even within NATO), the war won't last long (and not in France's favor).
Please bear in mind our army is here to support abroad with very special opérations or our overseas forces. Our national defense is ultimately garanteed with our independant nuclear weapons. With our Navy and Air army to make a good shield time to deploy and organized national territory defense and the french geography, you anyway need to have a f****g army. And this should have crossed Portugal & Spain or Poland & Germany or Italy. Means not that probable.
@@nikolaideianov5092 it's not about the level indoctrination called IQ, real intelligence comes from proper training and real technologies that assist...
Infantry used to be a guy with a musket standing in a line formation. Now infantry has to go up against tanks, drones, aircraft, and machine guns. They have better weapons and technology to accomplish this but war seems to keep getting more and more deadly how long until infantry can no longer be effective against the weapons of the future. Or will infantry continue to evolve with special armored suits and weapons.
While I really enjoy the old school visuals you use for the unit structure, the typing sound effect when new text appears is too intrusive/takes me away from the narration. Gonna come down to taste ofc but I feel like toning that sound down a bit would be good!
So they plan to be ready by 2030. Remind me of that top gun movie. Where the naval Commander says something like they'll be there in 30 seconds hell he'll be over in 5 seconds! Well we are talking about Good Friends the french. And if they go into Ukraine then that means our guys will go in to help them out. Just like Vietnam
I like your channel so much, can you please make a video about the formation of the 506th Parachute Regiment in ww2 and also the formation of the Headquarters Company and the Headquarters of the 2nd Battalion in detail? Please
The French army does have specialist drone regiments that will provide support to GTIA (expeditionary brigades). What you saw there was a pow from the regiment level, which also includes drones to a degree
if they're preparing for conventional war why is the base block regiments that will go on to assemble a batallion tactical group? conventional war is fought with multiple brigades and divisions not batallions
Well looks like the cold war doctrine came back for round two. Shame the Marines got rid of the scout snipers just like they do before every war before restarting it once things pop off again.
Just saying as a former Canadian infantryman who's worked at the section, platoon, company and battalion level. And with the French, British, Americans, Germans, Norwegians, you name it... Three ways of doing things! # 1 You take ALL of your combat support guys, you know, anti-tank, reconnaissance, snipers, assault pioneers, machine gunners, motarmen, split them up and put them into a platoon or rifle company. A bit messed up. # 2 You take ALL of your combat support guys and have an assault pioneer platoon, an anti-tank platoon, a reconnaissance platoon with snipers, a mortar platoon, you name it, and assign them to various tasks. # 3 You throw the org chart out the window! And assign motarmen, machine gunners, anti-tank, assault pioneers, combat engineers and snipers, air defence, you name it, based on requirements. Think Afghanistan. Hate to state the obvious but modern warfare is all about flexibility! Also known as the battle group, combat team, strike force, task force, call it whatever you want. Now, the French are good. But not necessarily better than anyone else when it comes to organizing their troops.
Seriously? Only 40k odd…? Sheesh, your work is excellent. Deserves a LOT more people taking an interest than that. Then again… you are asking for peoples attention AND for their brains to be engaged at the same time. One helluva(‘n) ask… Oh well. I am happy to share yr work with a relatively small group like this. As George Orwell once said (in 1984 no less): “Sanity is not statistical”
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I'm noticing a distinct loss of anti-material capability in these "future fighter" programs. Gone are the heady days of the Cold War when a US infantry squad would have at least 1 LAW per trooper with most having 2 or more being the typical order of the day. Now, going by at least the French, it's at most 3 per PLATOON.
Drones and next gen systems like the Akeron now allow for anti material capability without the need for line of sight, the capability is still here but it entered a new paradigm.
I used to think they are useless, but most armies should have the M72 to all units, ukraine has shown you may come across dugouts and bunkers and they are light and good compared to even the at4 in terms of weight, like us canadians first putting optics on squad automatics, now everyone does it and we are not mocked,, same should be said on canada use of m72, don't mock us, think, every 2nd man can have something for short range use.
I’m no military officer or analyst but I can’t help but feel utterly confused at the lack of SAWs… Everyone’s just focusing on ATs but no anti infantry focused weapons…
They have M249 SAW in France they just call it the FN Minimi. It's the same gun made by FN Herstal. The Minimi will be replaced by the new FN Evolys for the French Infantry, (it is already used by French special forces)
Excellent video! Hope you do one on each NATO nation's army and marine forces, which could be deploying into Ukraine. Then, one on the Russians, North Koreans, and Chinese would be outstanding.
4:14 - Minor typo, the Direct Support Platoon is abbreviated as SAD (for Section d'appui direct) rather than SAED, which is the Dismounted Engagement Support Platoon (Section d'aide à l'engagement débarqué).
Elaboration to the point at 13:12, apparently the French may be looking at getting more of the 7.62 Evolys than the 5.56 ( x.com/Marsattaqueblog/status/1802982372813557975 ). I don't know if that means the 7.62 Evolys could become a squad automatic in some squads of the platoon, but something to think about
OK got it!
Peloton-platoon, it's always funny to see how close our languages are.
@lc1138
That’s because the languages have the same root structure.
You didn’t reveal who was in charge of waiving the surrender flag!
Nice too see ypu correct yourself, it would make us Sad if you didnt 👍
That's it. As a French Army officer, I will quit losing my time reading our own doctrine, and binge watch Battle Order videos instead !
Tell me French national secrets please(totally not a spy trust)
@@Warcriminal843 The secret BL "Baguette Launcher", it's a weapon of masse destruction that may or may not be usefull if things goes bad on the frontline.
But dont tell anyone !
Bon Chance, mon Capitaine. 😎
c'est comme ce vidéo est devenu vrai.
Faut que ce soit un étranger qui nous apprenne ça ...
It definitely seems like the French are taking lessons from the Ukraine conflict. A ton of organic anti tank weaponry, drones for longer range strike missions, and more mobile heavy mortars. However it does seem like that no one is trying to include any anti drone capabilities, for either the battlefield or the rear area, FPV and long range loitering drones have become a very real threat that is cheap and easily mass produceable.
That may be under the EW unit at regimental level.
Their 40mm CTA guns have very effective anti-drone munitions, and the guns elevate up to 85 degrees.
The Germans are installing a radiolocation device on their autocannon turrets (on the Puma and Boxer) , to detect the radiation of incoming drones, the guns can automatically target the drones, maybe the French will make something similar. That's on top of dedicated SHORAD and EW equipment.
@@scratchy996 If i remember well, we're testing laser on land for olympic game and on our FREMM so maybe it will be install on griffon one day
la France a anticipé depuis longtemps les conflits symétriques, et aujourd'hui le retour d'info sur le front Ukrainien leur a donné raison! je dirais que c'est une confirmation plus qu'un apprentissage!
@@marc9080 if that's the fact then why so few ATGMs in regiment? Why no organic C-UAS? Why there's no plans to expand artillery or Anti- Air Defense?
11:15 - I think the "resilience" comes from the squad being able to survive the loss of a single team without completely losing its ability to engage a certain kind of target. Under the trinome system, the squad is always one grenade or one autocannon burst away from either losing both of its anti-armour weapons, or the MG and grenadier at the same time. Under the binome system the two anti-armour systems and the two anti-massed infantry systems can be kept separate from each other (because they don't answer to the same team leader), so that even after one lucky hit the squad still has the ability to engage vehicles and massed infantry (and engage at long range, if you count the DMR and MG as redundancies).
thats quite good explanation but if you ask me. none of the current doctrines are good enough. fire teams and support teams must work as buddy and respond to same leader. imagine every rifle squad has 3 man drone support team that can engage in comms real time to operate. basicly you will have minimap leader can mark lokations in real time. with proper fpv drone support no rifle suqad needs anti tank support like it used to be. let grunt be grunt dont make things complicated for them. there is no more massed infantry assult anymore. mg is basicly just fire support unit. russia using 2 by 2 infiltartion tactics. as any fpv drone will target you if you are more then 2 person. and there hundereds flying at the same time.
The new squad level tactics seem problematic.
5 binoms will be difficult to coordinate and it would be rather more helpful to build two fire teams.
@@paxundpeace9970 I'd imagine they can be rather easily task organized into two fireteams if you wanted. I think the binomes are just building blocks that let you mix and match capabilities.
A squad is small enough that you can just say "B,C teams you'll be with me and my A team; Cpl Bloggins, you'll be in charge of E in addition to your own D team." It isn't like a larger unit where you have to sort out staff relationships or people not knowing who their chain of command is.
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It is also HBTQID certified.
Who better to build things to destroy vehicles than people who know how vehicles work?
How can anybody hate your rectangle based videos!?!
They aren't engaging I guess
@@devon5154 Of course they aren't engaging, they are staging!
I hate his lgbtq++ trans flag he has wrapped around his channel logo
The Pentagon?
Pay attention to the flag around his channel icon. You like that agenda?
The French are pushing a lot of capabilities down the TO&E! The battalion group commander and staff better get a lot of field time if they want to be good at making the pieces work together 😮
The Ukrainians are doing something similar with their units, having mixed assets like drones, mortars, HMGs, heavy grenade launchers, and atgms. so I imagine the french say that and want something similar
Honnestly I think french officers and staff are the best trained in Europe. The Saint-Cyr academy is very famous, and many others europeans countries are sending their own young officers in this academy to be trained
You summarize it well. Clearly France intends her soldiers to be among the best trained around. Fighting fast and flexible.
@@artykhaan French armed forces are able to generate real combat capability, but like any other European army, they are heavy on firepower and equipment, unable to absorb personel losses and have a very shallow reserve of manpower. The French (like almost any other Western military organization) will not be able to sustain organized combat with a neer peer opponent for long, as their manpower reserves will attreat and negate their materiel advantage.
@@leftnoname is that due to them having smaller militaries, or not enough of a recruit able population.
Working very close with the French and seeing what griffon brings to the table makes me wish we had something similar
Where are you from?
what does it bring to the table?
@@sbura_a Griffon
Meme on the French all you want but you can't deny the absolute peak fashion that is the French camo
It's unfortunately being replaced by a french version of the multicam ...
Qui pour les metrosexual
@@henrik_worst_of_sinners Your sentence isn't even grammatically correct. Don't try to pass as a french, better luck next time buddy.
French have been good soldiers and generally well led for a long time. WW2 was an anomaly -- really just the aftereffects of having been bled white in WW1. That said, I think the memes are unjustified and France has the most capable army and air force in Europe by a mile.
@@w花bmetrosexuals is a very french word wich has no english equivalent , i would bet the dude is french
LOVE the time stamps in the summary. Every video of yours is produced better than the last
Your quality never ceases to amaze me, Battle Order, well done. I find your videos about military doctrines including the French Armed Forces ones very interesting.
Ça doit être plus ou moins son métier..
That VBL replacement vehicle looks really badass.
And I’m waiting for the French army to retire their VBLs to get one (they’re really badass, 4x4 and amphibious). The perfect vehicle.
The VBL is scheduled for replacement by the VBAE, which is process of choosing the design. the VBAE is due to enter service in early 2030s
The sound of the VBL when you're inside of it is a torture imo
And they can drive like crabs with the front and back axle being steerable completely independently lol
I climbed into one decades ago, that was used as an ambulance. Inside the smell was goat and sheep. Never understood.
Impossible, french army don't do thats, if you want buy one, good luck.
sweden is buying them gucci Akeron MP!!
good to see swedish-french cooperation
Uh, as long as the French military doesn't make things TOO complicated, and keeps in mind that these regiments will be refilled by inexperienced troops all to quickly as any given conflicted progresses.
It doesn't seem anymore complicated than how it is currently. Drones are pretty simple to operate. The biggest complexity is EW but that already exists currently, just at higher echelon
What’s so complicated about it? It doesn’t seem much different than any other modernization program.
Seems just as complicated as our forces. I don’t see the issue. Soldiering is a profession and they take that seriously.
@@braxtonmoore9246For the majority of human history, Soldiers have been levies. Professional Soldiers have always been the minority in large scale warfare.
@@braxtonmoore9246 you're correct to a point. But how long does it take to "Make" an 11B, or other MOSs, to the extent that they, each and in group, can be effective in Field?
Excellent video, excellent explication of new doctrine of the French army, great Job ❤Love your videos Bro, greetings from Colombia🇨🇴
NLAW at battalion level is one of the most bizzare things I've ever seen. Next are towed 120 mm mortars in 2024 and 50 km loitering munition at company level.
Same reason why Ukraine use Javelin missiles at a battalion level but the US use them at a squad level, not everyone can afford to give out expensive weapons for everyone.
@@dannyzero692 if money is the issue there's even even less point in keeping mixed AT groups. Instead of 4 Akerons in 3 squads they can have 4 ATGMs in 2 squads. Seven people and one APC less is a lot of money to be saved.
BTW comparing Javelin with NLAW is third bizzare thing I've seen today.
It is not that crazy. It is same old Cold war practise of combining recoilless gun like SPG-9 and ATGM like Malyutka, where SPG covers close zone where Malyutka can't arm itself.
@@aleksaradojicic8114 quick question. What's the effective firing range of Malutka and Akeron? Is it the same or completely different?
@@norbi1411 Akeron should have longer range. But that is not important. What is important that both have minimum effective range (150m for Akeron and 500m for Malyutka if wiki is correct) and as such you need something different to cover that zone where Akeron can't be used. That is why you get NLAW as part of battalion anti tank teams.
Love the video editing and style. Always improving!
I really like the new style 🏆
Nothing wrong with the old one - this one is just so much better! ❤ Well done
Just a precision, a first mortar support platoon has already been formed in an infantry regiment, the 13th Half-Brigade of the Foreign Legion (13e Demi-Brigade de Légion Étrangère), you can see a post about that on the tiwtter account of the unit.
0:50 that had to hurt 😂
And this is our newest weapon the AAR also known as "ass attack rocket'
😂😂
I bet his mates call him butt plug now😄
The rush for better indirect fire support is similar to Thailand's own rush for more mobile indirect fire support options after the border wars they had with Laos & Cambodia - especially with the threat of the Myanmar Civil War leaking over the border into Thailand. It was Thailand's own experience with French Artillery Systems like the Caesar SPH and GIAT LG1 Howitzer that made them develop their own domestically produced M758 SPH (co developed with Elbit) and CS/AH2 Light Howitzer (co developed with Chinese Poly Technologies).
Modern Polish artillery units (REGINA modules) next. You csn also take a look at GLADIUS loitering munitions system.
A video on a WOT brigade would be pretty cool too
The quality of your videos is going up like crazy.
Excellent video.
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That will be a lot of systems for one company, but if they have the logistic, personal, and the time to perfect those troops, sure I suppose.
Adding a commando platoon to every regiment/BTGr is a really cool idea, and it's interesting to see all those NATO militaries starting to embrace deep battle concepts, focusing both on frontline and backline troops equally. Imagine how difficult it would be for a Russian or Chinese mechanised unit to operate if their C3 had to stay far away from the actual line units due to fear of being destroyed by a bunch of madmen running around their rear, getting constantly targeted and jammed. Lightning war is great and all, but we can see how armored pushes are oftentimes rarely viable like in Ukraine, so having a capability to put pressure and push an enemy without exposing your main body is a really great capability to have.
why use "commadno" when you can just order artillery barrage...
@@norbi1411Counterpoint: Counter-Battery Fires
@@StormerSixActual still safer than sending man
@@norbi1411 How in the world is that safer? You'll have a higher chance of losing more men AND equipment if an entire battery is exposed to the enemy artillery
@@StormerSixActual because SPGs, MLRS usually provide better cover and survivability for their crews
Excellent video as always, although if i may still clarify, none has been fully done yet nor is it sure
The VBCI for exemple has good chances to end up staying, with a brand new version rolling out with new armor, redesigned turret and 30mm canon among other things
The Eryx doesnt have a clear replacer just yet, the MLAW being one, although the ERYX Missile sytem Mk2 being also on the table but slightly pricier aswell as the karl gustav
For the ERYX squad, it wont necessarily dissapear, Precision shooters usually work on a compagnie level and so are no longer stuck to squads, the person replacing them usualy being either a 2iC for the SL or a specialist like a drone Operator
Switching to 2 man teams instead of 3 man teams would help flexibility and manoeuvrability but also enable us to be even more aggressive in our fighting style and also carry more firepower, very useful for either ERYX or MAG 58 teams, we longer need to limit ourselves to 2 per squad, now they can be one gunner and one aid
I do not work in the bureau to really know what they are thinking although this change if it goes the right way and correctly, is very welcomed
Particularly interesting video on a subject that can be difficult to produce for a non-French speaker.
@BattleOrder: On the other hand, the reorganization is so massive that organization charts in image form would be useful for French speakers who are interested, as is my case. Is it possible ?
waouh
this is so much work, its also beautifully made, you never disapoint Battle Order!
what id like to know is what you actually think about all that?
you are probably the kind of guy that think he is not competent enough to give its opinion because you actually understand how complicated it all is, but dude, you are so much more aware about those things compared to average "Jean", i'm pretty sure you could give a an educated guess without sounding pretentious!
i'm also pretty sure that if theres a mistake, the large amount of actual military personnel that are watchinbg your content with awe seeing a not even french dude explain all this in a much clearer fashion than any official document would love to give their opinion and insights
Akeron is basically a man portable cruise missile, absolute crazyness.
Im surprised by the quality of this video, and its information. Thanks you for the work, it is alot clearer than any other infographie I had seen (In french) this far. Merci!
Just found your channel and I already know this will be a HUGE time sink for me. Also, I love your profile picture. It’s a sad reality that whenever I start to like a military or firearms channel I have to wonder “does this person think that many of my friends and family are unworthy of equal respect?”
I’m glad that good people like you are out there that do respect other people no matter their identity and you’re not afraid to make that known.
Are there any plans for Turkish military formation videos in the future? I am interested in their MRAP mounted infantry.
That certainly sounds interesting but it seems turkey has taken a deal with Russia to stay uninvolved.
@@cpob2013 Huh?
@@cpob2013to uninvolved in what?
@@cpob2013 Emotional oriented ukraine fanboy detected
*opinion rejected*
I'm looking for informations to create my 28mm modern french infantry platoon for wargaming, and your job is the best I have seen on the web.
the rectangle based content is what one's here for!
I'm impressed on how accurate this is...
The French infantry have a magazine in which they publish quite the detailed pieces of info.
It’s called Fantassins and is available in both French and English on the Internet.
You forgot the dedicated baguette platoon on company level.
That's the job of the 7th company. But you can't understand.
@@tm2bow653lol
@@tm2bow653 ahahah perhaps a permalink ? ua-cam.com/video/6W8uez-AVuY/v-deo.html
@@tm2bow653The 7th company ? we found them back ? 😂
A very comprehensive explanation as usual.. Keep it up!
18:29 - that looks like a motorized bicylcle
is it not?
yea its an ebike
@@kalinmir tactical byke?
@@mustavogaia2655 idk, I see those on the regular on a hike
@@kalinmir Tactical hike, then. Putin thought that the Ukraine incursion were just a tactical hike.
He acknowledges those who come here just for the squad pictures with guns.
thanks for the video. The old clean graphics were much better than the new arcade game sounds and 90's DOS computer screen effect though.
The quality of your work is crazy.
0:50- Коварная атака жэпы
Great document
If I counted right France is reorganizing into 19 regiments yes? That's actually a pretty sizeable number of trigger-pullers. Among those 19 are a large number of specialized units. Hmm.
I think you have to credit France for getting incredible value from her defense spending. Value as compared to other nations of course. Army navy air forces all modern and sizeable, and oh yes strategic nuclear weapons.
Compare her to the UK or Germany, who spend comparable monies.
Salary in the French armed forces is nowhere near UK or even Germany. That's how. Salary is a major part of defense expenditure.
Fresh lieutenant, monthly:
France: 2,108 €
UK: 3,052 €
Germany: 3,366 €
Fresh enlisted monthly:
France: 1,537 €
UK: 1,446 €
Germany: 2,275 €
A fresh German enlisted makes more than a fresh French lieutenant.
@@jonny2954: The salary you mention are true but are at least doubled when a French soldier goes abroad in a fighting mission,(Opex) thing French army does for thirty years. I believe that is not the case for a british or german officer. ( same salary at the barracks or thousand kilometres away)
3000 euros at home or abroad is not the same. and sorry but 3000 euros is a shitty pay when you can’t see your relatives for 6 months or more.
The fact that you earn more when you’re away is also a way to make your family accept the situation.
@@BFOP15 Germans get "Auslandsverwendungszuschlag" too. Depending on the threat level of the mission from 48 € (fobbits) up to 145 € (combat arms) tax-free _per day_ . So a maximum of 4350 € monthly on top of the base salary.
A Infantry Lieutenant comes back from a 6 month combat deployment with 26,100 € tax free on top of his base salary.
Note: Base salary also increases even further if you have children.
@@jonny2954 Being paid so much to do so little must be nice
@@buckdanny9062 In the example of a Mechanised Infantry Lieutenant as a platoon leader that man has responsibility for 36 Soldiers and more than 52 Million € of equipment. Not so little.
Can you make the French paratroop squad structure too?
I don’t believe their squads are different? At least not the conventional airborne units, idk what 1er RPIMa is like
I’m still wondering if they’re going to adopt a 338 lm platform for their snipers, for the moment they’re one of the few European army’s with no intermediate caliber between the 7.62 and the 12.7
Regular Infantry don't, but French special forces do. They have sniper rifles like Finnish rifle Sako TRG-42 in .338 Lapua Magnum and Canadian rifle Cadex CDC-40 Shadow in .408 Chey Tac
awesome video :D, could you do a video on how austrian-hungary units were structured please? great channel :D
Maybe I'm just dumb, but the electronic warfare platoon being named the SRGE [so surge ala power] cracks me up.
Super vidéo !
The Small Quadcopter Bomber Drones should really be relegated to Company level, specialist Squad, attached to C&C, since they double as Reconnaissance (full team of 2x4). So you can upsize for Artillery Tube/Rocket Battery's using bigger Recon drones. The Tactical Loitering Munition (Shorter range Kamikaze) Drones should be organized as 1 whole platoon, since strikes are person directed, and provide incidental recon, and being able to be attached to Companies ad-hoc. The Medium Range Drones (Kamikaze + Recon) should be given as a whole Company and to be attached to Brigade level units, same who can direct Extended Range Fires.
Are there any plans for Turkish military formation videos? I am interested in their MRAP mounted infantry.
0:50 - dude got shot up the butt :C
😂
Is that a jet powered loitering munition?
Yes, KNDS's Larinae option has a Veloce 300 jet turbine
@@BattleOrder never knew I need one but now I want it
@@caracallaavg for daily carry self defense purposes?
Just as the founders intended @@kalinmir
tu sais ce qu'elle te dit la baguette?🤣 sinon bonne vidéo
7:50 also in switzerland! Each group has max 2 nlaw or matador
Great video, but when is the video about Brazil coming?
With Sweden now in NATO, perhaps we can see an actual standardization at least in terms of AT systems?
That’s what I’m saying. Just like, cross NATO wide standardization on EVERYTHING.
NGL the lighter flick sound effect was driving me nuts
It seems that many of these French doctrinal changes are similar to what is currently being implemented within the US's 1-509 IN REG for FORSCOM as a proof of concept of what an IN BN can and should be by 2030.
Thanks❤
Rectangle based content is what I live for.
More French weirdness WOO!
Well given the results in Mali it does work, so why complain.
It does not seem like a complaint. He posted, "WOO!". Sounds lime a fan.
@@kurtwicklund8901 this guy gets it
@@kurtwicklund8901 he fan,he a fan, he a fan...
There is a document floating about that details the Russian infantry's lessons learned in Ukraine. In it, they recommend that infantry works in dispersed pairs, as to not attract attention from artillery. That should explain the move to binomes.
I love content like this bro 👍
At 60-100k per NLAW the upcoming MBDA Enforcer X should be a far better choice as it should in the same price range but utilizes an active seeker instead of PLOS (Predicted Line of Sight). Germany is acquiring several hundred of the general purpose Enforcer s as the „Leichtes Wirkmittel 1800+“, based on the cost of the whole order and the number of units acquired its price is less than 90k a piece.
I think the difference is NLAW is a known quantity that’s been in service with several NATO members for years and can be delivered relatively quickly. It is only meant to be an interim solution afterall. 60-100k was the figure quoted in Fantassins but I couldnt find a proper source on it. I’ve seen claims NLAW is cheaper, like 30-40k per unit
The RB57/NLAW has to be carried by 2 soldiers.
I suspect they will modify this in a few months. The video was made just to get some views.
The Hecate II? Bro I haven’t seen that since Sinon from SAO GGO 😂
the best 😅
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3:00 the VAB is also 4x4 in most cases, even in the picture you showed.
6x6 was in reference to the Griffon
@@BattleOrder In fact, France has also some 6X6 VAB WITH 20 MM F1 machine cannons... but most were originally reserved to Fusiliers Commando de l'air (air base defense units)... Few were in Armée de Terre... from a former staff sergeant originally serving in mechanised infantry (5° RI then 16°BCP), firstly on AMX 30B then on AMX10P... in heavy mechanised infantry regiment, we had 17 MBT (a company), 3 infantry companies on AMX10P (then 4, then 5 when removed AMX 30B). There was also a divisional CEA (Compagnie d'Eclairage et d'Appui) with VAB Hot, VAB and tracted 20 mm AA and VAB with 120 mm mortar (very strong and accurate). Slowly the AMX 10P was replaced with the VBCI. I have known the old "groupe" of 10 men under sergent command : The Sergeant, then a choc team of 4 Grenadiers Voltigeurs (2 binomes of 2) under a corporal orders and support team of 4 (2 binome of 2, one with AT 89 mm rocket launcher (or RAC 112 mm) and a binome with a ANF1 (AA52) then replaced by a minimi machine gun, then a Sniper (with FRF2 7,62 mm or FRF1 7,5 mm then the PGM Hecate 12,7 mm)... this system was abandonned in mid 90's for 1 sergent and 3 trinomes of 3. The professionalisation of the french army let the mechanised infantry platoon passing from 1 off/4 NCO's/27 soldiers (conscripts) (or 0/5/27) to a 1/9/27 with a NCO in each armoured car and one with each infantry groupe ... the platton was often a Lieutenant... but sometimes a Sergeant Major or even an Adjudant-Chef could lead... then there was a second to leader (Adjudant-Chef or Adjudant or even Sergent-Chef), then young sergeants as group leader (sometimes very experienced Chief Corporal 1st class). The professional and the more modern and complkexe armoured car asked more NCO's.
Thanks you for this informations. I'm French and i learn...
It is all nice but as long as the French army (or any european countriy for that matter) does not have quantities in terms of industrial capacities and stock to face a major conflict (even within NATO), the war won't last long (and not in France's favor).
They do as EU, but not as single country indeed
Please bear in mind our army is here to support abroad with very special opérations or our overseas forces. Our national defense is ultimately garanteed with our independant nuclear weapons. With our Navy and Air army to make a good shield time to deploy and organized national territory defense and the french geography, you anyway need to have a f****g army. And this should have crossed Portugal & Spain or Poland & Germany or Italy. Means not that probable.
The french équipements in Ukraine is rarely destroy
Thanks, very informative we will make sure to learn this for future confrontation
00:49 lol, lmao even
The technology has changed and so must the tactics and level of intelligence of the volunteers...
Grunts will be grunts
IQ isnt in their job requirment
@@nikolaideianov5092 it's not about the level indoctrination called IQ, real intelligence comes from proper training and real technologies that assist...
Infantry used to be a guy with a musket standing in a line formation. Now infantry has to go up against tanks, drones, aircraft, and machine guns. They have better weapons and technology to accomplish this but war seems to keep getting more and more deadly how long until infantry can no longer be effective against the weapons of the future. Or will infantry continue to evolve with special armored suits and weapons.
5:10 why do they have to make personnel cuts instead of increasing spending?
While I really enjoy the old school visuals you use for the unit structure, the typing sound effect when new text appears is too intrusive/takes me away from the narration. Gonna come down to taste ofc but I feel like toning that sound down a bit would be good!
You should make a video about the 7th company.
So they plan to be ready by 2030. Remind me of that top gun movie. Where the naval Commander says something like they'll be there in 30 seconds hell he'll be over in 5 seconds! Well we are talking about Good Friends the french. And if they go into Ukraine then that means our guys will go in to help them out. Just like Vietnam
11:52 NLAW is single-use, you can’t “Carry an extra round”, it’s disposable.
Generally disposable single-shot AT weapons are considered a munition, so “round” in this context means the whole launcher
Can you do Colombia?
20:01 Sorry for my ignorance, but what happened to the US Army’s Penetration Divisions?.
They've renamed it a few times, first to Heavy (Reinforced), maybe something else after that and now I guess the name is Armored Strike Division lol
@@BattleOrder thanks
I like your channel so much,
can you please make a video about the formation of the 506th Parachute Regiment in ww2 and also the formation of the Headquarters Company and the Headquarters of the 2nd Battalion in detail?
Please
a modern army without a LOT of drones and specialists to use them, is doomed to lose. absolute certaintly.
Exactly, what we see here is France still stuck in the cold war mentality of war and not learning anything from Ukraine.
The French army does have specialist drone regiments that will provide support to GTIA (expeditionary brigades). What you saw there was a pow from the regiment level, which also includes drones to a degree
@@dragonmares59110 but they just gained drones and specialist???? did you not watch the video XD
15:50 watch the damn video before commenting.
We have a lot of drones per infantry regiment now, with a dedicated platoon for recon and destruction with drones
if they're preparing for conventional war why is the base block regiments that will go on to assemble a batallion tactical group?
conventional war is fought with multiple brigades and divisions not batallions
Maybe since Finland is a NATO member now we could get a video on them?
Well looks like the cold war doctrine came back for round two. Shame the Marines got rid of the scout snipers just like they do before every war before restarting it once things pop off again.
Just saying as a former Canadian infantryman who's worked at the section, platoon, company and battalion level. And with the French, British, Americans, Germans, Norwegians, you name it...
Three ways of doing things!
# 1 You take ALL of your combat support guys, you know, anti-tank, reconnaissance, snipers, assault pioneers, machine gunners, motarmen, split them up and put them into a platoon or rifle company. A bit messed up.
# 2 You take ALL of your combat support guys and have an assault pioneer platoon, an anti-tank platoon, a reconnaissance platoon with snipers, a mortar platoon, you name it, and assign them to various tasks.
# 3 You throw the org chart out the window! And assign motarmen, machine gunners, anti-tank, assault pioneers, combat engineers and snipers, air defence, you name it, based on requirements. Think Afghanistan.
Hate to state the obvious but modern warfare is all about flexibility! Also known as the battle group, combat team, strike force, task force, call it whatever you want.
Now, the French are good. But not necessarily better than anyone else when it comes to organizing their troops.
Seriously?
Only 40k odd…? Sheesh, your work is excellent. Deserves a LOT more people taking an interest than that.
Then again… you are asking for peoples attention AND for their brains to be engaged at the same time.
One helluva(‘n) ask…
Oh well. I am happy to share yr work with a relatively small group like this.
As George Orwell once said (in 1984 no less):
“Sanity is not statistical”
On seras là si il faut ❤🇫🇷💪🔪 le monde retient mai 1940 sur l’armée française !! Mais l’armée française EST ENCORE LÀ MEILLEURE SUR LES 800 dernières années !
OUI ! AVEC UN PETIT PAYS COMME LE NÔTRE !!!
Fuck putin 🔪🔪🐀🐀 tu nous fais pas peur 🖕🏻🖕🏻 ça fait 1000 ans qu’on est là et beaucoup de pays ont essayé de nous envahir ils ont jamais réussi 🖕🏻🖕🏻
По моему, ты зря перевел на французский 😂
Это англоязычный канал, земеля 🤝
Prends tes médocs, choupinet.
@@НиколайНижегородецbruh you are speaking Russian...
Please make videos about some niche armored forces I want to know a squad composition and doctrine of brazilians peruvians malaysians etc
I'm noticing a distinct loss of anti-material capability in these "future fighter" programs. Gone are the heady days of the Cold War when a US infantry squad would have at least 1 LAW per trooper with most having 2 or more being the typical order of the day. Now, going by at least the French, it's at most 3 per PLATOON.
Drones and next gen systems like the Akeron now allow for anti material capability without the need for line of sight, the capability is still here but it entered a new paradigm.
@@redwithblackstripes The cost and complexity spiral to deploy capability you previously had is a dangerous game to get involved in.
@@TornadoADVyou know a FPV drone costs less then a M72 LAW, right?
It is also less convienient to use if you encounter enemy armor within line of Sight and the drone is not yet in the air.@@nobodyherepal3292
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I used to think they are useless, but most armies should have the M72 to all units, ukraine has shown you may come across dugouts and bunkers and they are light and good compared to even the at4 in terms of weight, like us canadians first putting optics on squad automatics, now everyone does it and we are not mocked,, same should be said on canada use of m72, don't mock us, think, every 2nd man can have something for short range use.
We are truly living in an age of advanced warfare.
I’m no military officer or analyst but I can’t help but feel utterly confused at the lack of SAWs… Everyone’s just focusing on ATs but no anti infantry focused weapons…
Their is 2 AT4 in each squad which can be select between 3 type including anti personal
They have M249 SAW in France they just call it the FN Minimi. It's the same gun made by FN Herstal. The Minimi will be replaced by the new FN Evolys for the French Infantry, (it is already used by French special forces)
Nice video 9/10 needs more rectangles.
What is the backround music?
Excellent video! Hope you do one on each NATO nation's army and marine forces, which could be deploying into Ukraine. Then, one on the Russians, North Koreans, and Chinese would be outstanding.
Considering none of them of deploying to Ukraine, there’s not much material to make a video on.
Friendly fire! 0:50
I BEG YOU to do naval content . My dream is to become a captain but lack info on fleet orgnization.thanks!