Asus say they did not intentionally compromise the product in an attempt to make customers buy higher end systems. We offered our opinion that this might explain their design decisions, however the wording we used was poor. We've removed that section from the video. Asus also deny the cooling design is flawed, saying that using an open vent design is overall worse for thermal performance. We are looking into independently verifying these claims and will update you when we have tested the laptop further.
It's wierd, it's surprisingly cheap where i live, so I'm still gonna buy it probably. I hope you guys keep doing this kind of videos, i personally would even buy a modded bottom panel. Overall i still believe you bringing up this problem was the right thing to do. As for the screen, i believe it's as bad as the others in the price range, like the GF65 thin, which has a 8% price increase where i live, and it has similar specs, though probably better build.
Your review is most probably correct and Asus claims are most probably not. I have the same but 2019 model with the Ryzen 7 3750H and RTX 2060 and it is a bucket of heat, noise, and video problems, being the first that the computer shows the video panel attached ONLY to the APU and some games just do not use the GPU whatever you do. You MUST play with headset on or you won't be able to hear the game over the roaring fans. The NVMe is not the fastest, just ok-ish and cheap... I was also surprised by the lack of proper ventilation, and I opened it to install an additional HD for storage. If the heat pipes are not the same they look very similar, so maybe you are dealing with an old thermal design. Now I want to test it without the bottom part, dammit...
"using an open vent design is overall worse for thermal performance." that's some BS when MSI's GL65 performs way better with open vents. For them to deny that their design is flawed = buyer beware alert.
Had (1660ti version) this for 5 days now. Doing heavy duty things each day for long periods of time. I've only set the NVIDIA options to high performance. Upgraded from 8gb RAM to 16gb. Played games like Destiny 2 / Total War: Three Kingdoms / Warzone / XCOM etc. - highest settings Running architectural / rendering softwares like autocad, revit, enscape, lumion Overall I'm satisfied. Cooling is fine. It's cooler around where the hand usually is at the AWSD area / number pad & warmer on the middle part but not hot enough to feel uncomfortable. On turbo mode most of the time and the fan does make some noise, but tolerable, but you don't really notice it when you're in the zone. Unless you're the type that do. If you have headphones on then its not a bother at all. EDITED: After a little over a month of using this laptop... Used it daily for work / gaming / and the general shit you do on the internet... sometimes i have even used it around the clock. It's still running like brand new. lol EDITED: almost 6months in...still as above. Played the new AC valhalla (mostly on high graphic settings) and a few hours in on Cyberpunk (mostly ultra settings) and its smooth runnin' so im happy! 48wh battery runs out of juice quick though, when unplugged, so would advise getting 90wh one to last longer. Maybe 6 months isn't enough time to really see any faults so will probably check in again in months time. Or if i come across any issues. EDITED: 1 year later... Usage: as above Heating: still as above. Performance: No drop. Still performing well for me. Have not experience any technical difficulties so far. -Liking the eye care feature under armoury crate. takes the stress off the eyes when active for long periods -Only downside i found so far is that my 'AWSDF' keys has slightly faded, probably because of usage. But not really a concern for me. Is it worth what you pay for... YES! Could you get better ones under same pricetag.. Probably. This was a year ago when I purchased so not sure what's on the market. Anyway, hope this gives people a bit of an insight when deciding to buy or not. Goodluck
@@katsu8693 No worries bro. I think the bad reviews only apply to hardcore users and IT experts. But I'm casual and not really tech savvy. I base my opinion on user experience.
If you were interested in the A15, there are lots of other mid to entry-level Ryzen 4000 laptops coming out soon from many OEMs (Acer, Dell, HP, MSI and Lenovo to name a few). We'll be on the lookout for which one is best in the next few months, but it's hard to imagine other OEMs will use such flawed designs
Please do a review of the Eluktronics Matrix Red Pill 15 or 17!!! AMD Ryzen 7 4800H with boosted RTX 2060!! Currently one of the fastest gaming laptops as per notebookcheck.
Tim, you should probably look at some of the older ASUS laptops in a similar price class dating back to 2016. A lot of them shared a similar flawed design and come with it hobbled performance, loud fan noise and potentially questionable reliability down the line. I just happen to also be a disappointed customer of one of those laptops. When I heard that the A15 has a flawed cooler design, I wasn’t surprised. This was common with lower-tiered ASUS gaming laptops for a while now. The only thing that surprised me was that you guys were the only ones who actually called them out proper on it, with most of the others riding on the Ryzen hype and seemingly brushing off those flaws aside.
To be fair, it shouldn't be a such big reveal. Asus TUF designed to be worse than more expensive devices. TUF is just a marketing gimmick for low tier products line. Like literally, the engineering team gathered at a whiteboard and gathered flaws on how to make it less attractive in every way possible.
*Please Read this* I myself bought this laptop looking at the price and specs of it. I was really exited to get it home. When i got it i was really happy with it but then i started looking at the temps which on my Asus A15 were sometimes 105 degrees. I then bought me a cooling pad a big one though it didnt help at all maybe 2-3 degrees difference. Like many others i feel sick to my stomach when i see temps reaching 100 degrees when playing light games. Now it gets wierd I decided to open it up and apply new thermal paste on everything (Grizzly thermal). Though it helped i was still seeing it reach over 90 degrees which is better ofcourse but not good enough for me. Tried to figure out what the problem was. The problem was AMD control center which has something called a "Virtual supersampling" function. And it was at factory set to on. I turned it off and bam. It freaking fixed my thermals. The AMD intergrated GPU was under such a heavy load from all the extra noncense settings that it reached that high. For me atleast. The highest temp ive gone so far after my fix is about 80 degrees and thats perfect. I wanted to write this to maybe help other people who are stuck in this thermal hell.
Idk what are you all talking about these high temperatures. Mine, which has 7 4800h and 1650 ti, in gaming like Nier Automata, GtaV etc gets maximum 75 with cooler
I don't know WTF Asus is doing with AMD, last time they screwed over the whole 5700 line they had. Put on the aluminium foil hats and say Intel pays Asus to screw over AMD LOL.
Seriously, theri cooling design is as he said 'atrocious'. I and my friend got the TUF FX series model with i7 gtx 1060, but it heats up like crazy and throttling gets unbearable. The TUF series actually taught me never to get a laptop for gaming, go with a PC
Asus did something similar with their G15 which is an almost identical unit to the M15, but purposely put some plastic strips to block the air intakes for some "inexplicable" reason to make its thermals and performance worse than its Intel counterpart
It is to reduce the building cost and price tag to lure more buyers who did not know what exactly they get inside. FHD 1080 IPS 144HZ is what they advertised and most ppl would be ok with it until they know it is not 100%Srgb...
funny thing. I placed a new batch of thermal paste on my a17 and the temps are no way near thermal throttling. Some how I feel like he is paid by MSI because of how great the tuf is price to performance.
@@DAddy-iy9mu the statement is more of a joke "explanation" because it implies that asus didn't pay their engineers so the engineers didn't actually do their jobs.
Why OEM these days almost all of them gimping AMD Ryzen 4000??? Either lower Display quality (high refresh rate but huge response time) on it's price compare to their Intel SKU, Low-Mid Tier GPU or design flaw .... Smh
Think about it. If their budget laptop outperforms, runs cooler, has more battery life AND also has a comparable screen? Their top end products with Intel inside will NOT sell well. They need to gimp this beast or else they'll hurt their own sales. Very very scummy.
You can buy a back cover for it on the internet so you have 2 drill holes in 1 and keep the other one normal so you don't have problems with warranty and shit
I guess we have to wait for brands like XMG, Eluktronics, etc to make it right. Though I can no longer wait. Will probably get the Fusion aka Mag for being the overall better package
Just opened a three hexagons under each fan with a dremel. Average temperatures dropped around 8 deg.Celsius for cpu (88->82) and 10 deg.Celsius for gpu (80->70). Measured with HWiNFO during Fortnite game-play. Cheers
My theory: OEMs aren't ready for a chip of this calibre and they HAVE to intentionally gimp it. Why? Because if this Ryzen chip is allowed to work at its full potential, then their sales of Intel chipset laptops (higher end) will be heavily gimped. Customers will ask why is this expensive laptop performing worse and running hotter? It'll mess up their entire product lines and they won't be able to keep up. By intentionally choking Ryzen chips here allows them to price their products like they do and get that money
@@NeXMaX I think we'll see similar intentional design choices in other OEM laptops. If I remember correctly, even the Dell G5 SE runs terribly hot because of shitty thermal design.
My asus laptop with intel CPU is thermal throttling all time because It doesn't have any heatpipes and it uses only a very tiny heatsink on CPU without any connection to the tiny fan
Why AMD fanboys loves to blame everything on Intel? This issue is clearly coming from Asus. They botched the cooling on their products especially on their cheap products. If you have zero experience with servicing laptops I got to tell you that there is a lot of Asus laptop model, no matter what the processor it has, having a really shitty Mac Book Air-esque "cooled by magic" cooler design. Even brand as shit as Asus nowadays like Acer never done that as far as my experience servicing their products.
most likely the case since the old intel Zephyrus lineup has better vents compared to the AMD 3rd gen zephyrus which has blocked vents making it hotter even though they have the same chassis
I bought this laptop laptop after watching this video, and even bought 4900H for my friend, no regret whatsoever. These reviews take everything thing to end of the world situation..
What about performance and thermals now? I desperately want to buy 1 which is with 4600h and 1650 .No option in same price with such great configuration .Please relpy
@@mukunddakwe8309 in 6 month i don't have any issue with laptop. Even while playing heavy game i use a cheap ₹170 stand and never experienced thermal throttling.
@@mukunddakwe8309 www.amazon.in/Lenovo-IdeaPad-15-6-inch-Graphics-82EY00L4IN/dp/B08PV3DQCW this or tuf a15 whichever you find cheaper in stock. Buy any of two both are good. edit: legion 5 is available with heavy discounts. That better build laptop.
@@balce69 This is How Intel's Influence on Manufacturers CRIPPLE the New AMD Zen 3 Ryzen APUs.. By Combining it with LOWER-SPEC Hardware Components: - Poor Thermal Solution Performance, - Poor Display Quality, - Lack of Modern I/O Ports, - Weak Batteries, - Bad Exterior Design, - Shitty Keyboard Layout, - etc.. We need to RIOT the Shit out of them in Order to Get Rid of this Systemic Downgrading.. Who's with me?? 💪💪💪
TUF has always existed to make the ROG products look good. TUF has never been good. They've always cut every corner while barely matching competitors specs but people buy it because it's Asus.
ROG isn't any better. I've got a G501JW here - basically same issue - no air intakes and the notebook is melting under load. Performance is getting hammered when you actually game or put stress on cpu+gpu.
Pretty sure they had to gimp Ryzen or else Intel models would never sell hurting the company. These Ryzen chips are just so much better than Intel that they just can't be let lose without messing up the companies' entire product stack.
@@Rhino123freak OEMs rely on Intel's marketing tricks for selling a laptop with higher profit. It is all because of people's mindset that AMD must be cheaper than Intel, no matter how better it is in performance.
I bought this laptop(1660ti ver). Mostly playing Monster Hunter World and rainbow six siege. And sometime streaming my PS4 with elgato. Never regret my buying, no issue with thermal throttling what so ever. I think for me, it is a good buy.
Its a good criticism video tbh, showing the flaws bluntly and straight up, but they're minimal for me and the screen is good enough. I mean this lappy will never really leave my table so rarely any outdoor usage. Never had thermal throttling issues whatsoever.
Got my Asus tuf a15 ryzen 5 1660ti laptop yesterday and I'm sending it back due to it being really slow and getting really unstable fps in the few games I've tried so far (won't even play fortnite at epic settings have to use high and even then its not great. Also it overheats. Going to get the legion 5i core I5 rtx 2060 instead. Anyone have one of these?
Wouldn't be so far fetched. Intel is losing quite a bit of market to AMD so they have to do something. I loved Intel, and then my processor was slowed due to a security flaw. I'll wait to see how things play out before I buy another Intel based laptop.
I can't stress enough the importance for us customers of serious, comprehensive tech review channels like you guys or Gamers Nexus. Bad products like this one have to be exposed, so as we don't end making a purchase we later regret (especially in countries like mine where refunds or RMA are difficult and/or expensive). A few days ago I saw the review of this laptop on another well known "serious" tech channel that mentioned the low quality of the screen, but on the other hand praised the cooler design from ASUS just because "the temperatures were below throttling level" while at the same time complaining on the fan noise... Even then, the bad quality of the screen was not stressed enough, saying it was "ok for gaming" and not good only for content creation. Keep up the good work guys, your content is amazing not only for the technical reviews and sensible buying guides, but also for entertainment. Cheers from Uruguay!
i spent like a year looking at reviews before i got my laptop, and i still love it 2 years later. one of few 8th gen laptops with 2 m.2 slots, and the 1070mq still runs everything like a champ. the CPU does love running hot as balls though
Brad Haines are you referring to Digital Foundry? I agree, DF got this one wrong. Tbf I’d rely on DF’s opinion when it comes to graphics, game engines, and gaming performance analysis. I wouldn’t use them for laptop reviews. I don’t blame you however for trusting them since the majority of their content is very detailed and thorough, but they’re not on the same level as Hardware unboxed.
From my experience, the design 'flaw' with the vents has been an issue with 'lower end' laptops across most manufacturers for a long time. Make it look like it has a lot of vents, flash fancy marketing images saying it has amazing ventilation, and people buy it thinking that they just might finally get a laptop that doesn't burn their lap only to be disappointed when it's just more of the same. I'm sure laptop manufacturers are fully capable of making a laptop under $1k that doesn't cook itself and its user, but doing every little thing you can to make them throw it away as soon as possible and buy something new just works too well. I think I'm just gonna stop paying attention to new laptops entirely. Honestly, it just seems like if you're uwilling (or unable) to drop a couple thousand dollars or more then you may as well just sift through the clearance aisle and hope for the best.
Not saying you're wrong, but as a point of contrast, I bought an entry-level ThinkPad E495 laptop last year for less than USD 500 (converted), and it has absolutely no problem cooling itself. Granted, it only uses 15 W and the fan doesn't even need to turn on unless I run a prolonged workload, but even for a CPU with that TDP, it still has dual heatpipes and more than enough ventilation around both the fan and heatsink, and around the components themselves. Needless to say, at that price point, compromises were made, but nevertheless given the low price, I've nothing but good words about it.
It reminds me exactly of why it is that I got the strange thought in my head of turning an old suitcase-PC into a modernized portable desktop machine. Because either the hardware is crippled, the cooling is crippled, the display is crippled, the chassis is crippled - or a combination of any of them. yeah, fuck off i'm not buying
That's seem to be just how OEM treat budget gaming laptop, does seem to be the same across all OEM. They either charge more for better cooling or put in lower tier chip for the same price or sacrifices something else. Just gotta pick your poison. Just hope that at least these laptop can still last for at least 4/5 years with decent performance
@Toughparth123 It's even better! 3 months in and it still feels like I've just unboxed it yesterday. Sadly I missed out on a recently newer A15 variant with the 2060;90whr version.
@Toughparth123 It handles pretty much any game you throw at it well, temps-wise after a bit of tweaks mine doesn't go beyond 80°c. It's a beast if I must say.
@@hoodhood007-4 I haven't gone into fully testing the battery life yet, as I've always kept mine plugged in ~set to 60% for maximum lifespan. Though I've recently tried running it without plugging in. Battery 60% - Balanced power mode - Better battery Browser with 15+ tabs, music playing, lurking on reddit, and qbit seeding from external HDD connected. It lasted about 2 hours (20% left) Though if power mode was set to power saver, it could've lasted more I'd say, and that's just at 60% The 90whr was one of the main reasons I got this for academics, adding to that is the 180w power brick which charges really fast.
The review spends 20 minutes saying that the Asus chose a poor display and did a poor job cooling the circuitry. Cooling matters if you don't want to be heat throttled.and the display matters if you want accurate color and/or non blurring images. Had you read this comment before watching the video you would know what's in the video and 20 minutes to do something else.
Amd made amazing cpu´s that perform way better than the competition with less power and we see companies just sabotaging those products. This is infuriating and evil. AMD needs to star making their own full notebooks... that´s the only way to ensure a good product.
yes Amd should come up with a reference design for their laptop like old google nexus series phones and pair with an oem to manufacture it that would teach these oems some lesson.
I just bought one of these laptops, mainly for the MIL-STD-810H capability. I will be traveling with this laptop in various climates, namely construction sites with lots of sawdust and temperature variations. Some of the design considerations look to be specifically made to reduce infiltration, by using smaller openings and filter paper to block foreign material from entering the case. It may not be optimal for cooling the system, but if sand infiltrates into the fans, it would cause more heat issues in the long run. I understand there are things they could have done better, but based on their design decisions it looks like they were thinking of meeting the 810H standard. I just hoped more of these reviews would be more honest about reading the full claims the manufacturer specifies. I would like to know if this ACTUALLY meets the aforementioned MIL-STD-810H. If it meets the standard, I have no problem with the system getting "hot", as long as it "protects" its components by either slowing them down or speeding up the fans. I can find little to no reviews on covering this standard. I have seen on a few websites that it does meet the minimum of the standard, in essence it passes. I researched a variety of companies, but have only found one company that provided an 16+ cores/threads, a "high end" graphics card, and future upgradability. That company was ASUS, and only their TUF series. Other companies that offered 16+ cores/threads processors were either AMD graphics or overly heavy (extra layers added to meet the standard). Lastly, since I will be doing a lot of 3D CAD and SolidWorks designs for altering designs on-site, a "gaming" laptop with multiple processors was highly important. I would have went with a Nvidia Quadro graphics, but it was priced a lot higher, with less payback.
@@ahsanihafizhushali Just because I will be working in a "hazardous" work environment does not mean I would want to be stifled with low grade parts. According to documentation, the system has a built in "fan cleaner" and will throttle when necessary, given certain work conditions. For instance, when working on a construction site in the winter, I do not see it throttling as much, but in the summer it may throttle a bit to deal with the excessive environmental heat. It is better to design a system that will spin up in favorable conditions, but save itself in unfavorable ones. That is why I would like to see some testing in various environments to verify the company's claims.
Yes, pretty much this. It's meant to comply with 810H that's why the intake and exhaust ports were designed this way. And as Dupre said, the system will throttle as necessary and won't be damaged by the high temperatures.
I was thinking the same way as you sir.. I work as designer, and need fast and strong machine in various climates and ofcourse with 'budget'friendly too. I think this machine with RTX version is fast enough to help me in constructuon site.. I also don't mind about heat since in the weather in construction site is hot either. Most important thing is no dust came in to the machine, and shock resistance.
"AMD marketed this chip as being very efficient, so we thought there wasn't any need to get proper vents. Apparently, AMD overhyped the efficiency of Zen 2 mobile processors. We apologize for the inconvenient."
Erdem With a bit of skills, connectors can be adapted. Drivers for a display ? LOL since it's standard eDP or LVDS, a driver is completely useless if the new panel provides the same resolution.
just wait, TUF with Intel Core 10th series. I think Asus will fix most of these problems with that SKU (color, response time, thermal) just to make AMD looks bad.
Actually, most of their lower-tiered laptops are designed like that, even Intel powered ones. My GL502 has the exact same flawed design. I’m baffled that it’s only taken until now for people to take notice.
most likely the same design from their old bottom cover from the ga502du since the air vents is also blocked compared to the intel versions which aren't blocked
But why? A lower performance part should obviously draw less power and give off less heat. So it should obviously run cooler in the same chassis with the same cooling. If it doesn't, they botched something.
I think own or disown contacted Asus about the g15, and they claimed thr covered vents are to redirect air across other areas of the motherboard, improving passive cooling there are the cost of gpu and CPU. Even if that's the case, it's obviously a bad solution.
Hell, even my old laptop from ASUS (intel cpu) has its vents blocked. I had to take the whole damn thing apart to unblock it, and "magically" temps improved by 20°C+
ASUS are gonna milk the Ryzen hype with a trash product. Just consider the A15 as an Apple product, you'll get the idea. Oh, and intel are definitely helping, the better part of their money should come from laptop chips (as people prefer smaller systems + the fact that every desktop is Ryzen now).
i'm guessing maybe their market research shows them most ppl aren't gonna care about these obvious shortcomings since not everybody buying gaming laptop is a very informed power-user. :shrug:
Nothing to do with Intel at all. ASUS has been designing their lower-tiered laptops like this for a while now. Baffling that Hardware Unboxed has been the only one so far to actually bring attention to this, since everyone else is praising it so much.
And the cpu is doing all the cooling by itself because it's more efficient and have 2c4t more it's so sad I tough ASUS is our saver .Imagine that 10750H with that cooling it will chock to death
Had this computer before and now my little brother haves it. It runs perfectly still so none of what's been said is really correct in the long run here. It's a great gaming laptop and it doesn't cost 3-4000$. Would highly recommend.
@@farithrosh when paying a lot of money you expect the best. leanred a lesson from asus for buying their rog 501 series which runs like a fucking jetplane taking off yeah it might be powerful but also cant hear shit with the fans going and it STILL overheats if i play with the lid closed for like 30 mins.
@@NoClueHonestly Yeah I do think 1k is a lot of fucking money and should expect a better experience. 1K is upper end and it retailed for 1.2k so I know my shit and no one unless you are a gullible idiot spends more.
everope Only when people called them out on it, and even then, for the Strix 5700XT, they tried to at least shift part of the blame to AMD for their guidelines, even though other AIBs have the same guidelines but have zero issues with their 5700XTs The Strix was also overpriced. The Sapphire Nitro+ was less expensive and performed better across the board.
@@thelegendaryklobb2879 4. Loose the warranty. Seriously, I'm thinking about modding my cooling pad so that the laptop fits perfectly and then off we go with the backplate.
Hopefully a tutorial will be posted by someone. Really disappointed by the thermal design. My order will be coming at the end of month and it can't be cancelled anymore geez.
I got two zephyrus laptop, no one end well. Spend tons of time dealing with BS customer service. One CS mail came one and a half months after I sent the ticket.
For the price point ($999) I paid and my use (i.e., occasional gaming, business, day to day, mild content creation, etc.) the ASUS laptop is sufficient. I have an external 1440p monitor that I use as well so the panel shortcomings I can deal with. Plus, the 4800h is far ahead of Intel's offering in the same price point. Also, I prefer a laptop over a desktop because my work is mobile upwards of 40% of the time. Based on the overall value proposition of the laptop (1 year accidental warranty, Ryzen 4800h, GeForce 1660ti, 500gb NVME SSD, 16GB DDR4 Ram, RGB, and one screw to access the expansion slots for an additional NVME SSD and RAM) it's a very good choice despite the drawbacks. Especially when you compare it to other laptops in the $800-$1,200 range. Sure, the MSI seems more well rounded, but I will gladly take the ASUS over the MSI because of the CPU benefits and overall value for MY NEEDS. Nonetheless, the key-points on the areas for improvement for ASUS should be well noted and improved in the next design of the TUF laptop.
Mine replaced a 5yr old PC (which it out performs) and I am very happy with it . All of the criticisms are valid , but seeing how I use a large , quality , external monitor for my creative tasks and at home gaming , they don't really apply to my use case . I'm told that fitting extra ssd storage will void my warranties , so I will perform my own case mod's when the time comes if cooling becomes an issue . I needed a laptop in a hurry after my old PC was destroyed in the recent Australian floods. This one was available locally , on sale , for $400 dollars off RRP. I have had it for a couple of weeks now and I love it .
@@gurman241 I already built a PC. Hard to find good parts right now at MSRP but you'll love it man! And I'm with all you here.. I was eager to get the A15 and now I'm like nooo about to binge watch GL65 and GP65 reviews!
Everyone talking about how youre not buying this laptop anymore... if youre getting it for video and picture editing, youre right you need a good display. But for the rest of us tryong to get a budget gaming laptop, unless youre willing to drop an extra several hundred bucks, this is the best performance/value laptop on the market
@@adinugraha1276 I've been closely watching the market for the past 6 months and i can assure you the only thing competitively pricing this laptop ( maybe only where i am ) is nothing, everything else is 1050ti and at 1000$ price point and this laptop is at 1300$ with 1660ti 144hz 1tb m.2 and an extra slot for another ssd r7 4800h and 3200mhz 16gb ddr4 ram
a 500 USD laptop is what I call a budget laptop, because its Ryzen 3000 cpus and Vega graphic can do everything that you need, just a little bit slower.
Despite your personal opinion, the ASUS TUF Gaming A15 is an affordable laptop that has treated me beyond excellent. Only had a few minor issues with it throughout the 2 years I've had it that were easy fixes if you have a basic understanding of what you're doing (They even have a program to diagnose computer issues and live support to help). One of the biggest issues I have had was the fans. All you gotta do to fix this is open it up and clean the fans once in a while though. It has a sleek, modern design that has held up, and supports ethernet, USB, USB-C, and HDMI and headpones (all anyone should need). The laptop has not slowed down one bit and can run very high-end AAA games at a solid 60 with no issues. It also has 2 GPUs, (which is very nice and convenient). For $1,000, this laptop is BEYOND worth the price you pay, you can take my word for it.
implying this wasn't engineered in on purpose. Asus pocketed a fancy sum for this stunt, i hope AMD cuts them off as they are and have long been scumbags.
The g14 works well. I haven't had any problems with mine yet. Granted it came in in yesterday, but it's been stunning. I am going to be testing things out but so far the g14 is a very competitive option expecally when you account for it being a 14" laptop
Asus's TUF AMD laptops/GPUs have been like: Customer: Hey Asus, this product is so unbelievably flawed, what do have to say in your defence? Asus: Tough.
Man, this video convinced me to buy this laptop Edit: Thanks for making the review. It really helped in the decision process. I do not care that much about the color gamut. And thermal performance sounds good to me as I will rarely push it as you do in gaming , I’m using it basically to run FDTD simulations. Hopefully, I’ll remember an give an update. Again, thank you!
So as an update: so far this laptop has performed really well for me. I expanded the RAM to 32 GB (2x16) and added a second 1 TB m.2 drive. The fact that you can do these upgrades easily is very nice. As for simulations, everything has been great running simulations on both CPU and GPU. I have wrote a couple scripts that take advantage of multi cores to make calculations and it has been awesome the Ryzen processor is truly amazing. On both simulations and my own scripts temperatures of CPU and GPU stayed under 70 degrees Celsius . I did run a couple of games on it just to try it out and the thermal performance there could be an issue, running The Witcher 3 at 60 FPS I saw CPU temperatures of 91 degrees Celsius and at 30 FPS I saw temperatures around 75 degrees Celsius. Hopefully this is helpful. Cheers
yeah I had a GA502 with R7 3750h and that had exactly the same problem. Bottom panel was mostly covered and the laptop throttled itself in gaming. I wonder if it's being done on other AMD powered gaming notebooks.. would be good to look into it in more depth.
Damn I've been falling in love with the g15, but this is making me reconsider. Is the plastic sheet removable in any way? I really wanted to go AMD because their CPUs are just better, but the m15 doesn't seem to have this problem so what, I'm not forced to go intel?
What is weird is that the g14 is pretty amazing. I got mine yesterday and the only thing that I wasn't absolutely blown away by was the choose in ssd. Intel 660p is a QLC based ssd but I was surprised about how fast it was still. It's weird seeing the g14 being so good by the a15 being less competent.
In my country, ASUS TUF FA506II AL016T costs 1029 usd + bonus 8gb from reseller + 2-year warranty. Meanwhile, MSI GL65 costs 1350 usd + 1-year wanrranty and also MSI laptop in my country has very bad reputation about their durability in the long run.
Nope, their flagships or higher end Intel gaming laptop is still damn good. They actually purposely choke the cooling for the sales on their Intel laptop.
nah, they've always been anticonsumer scumbags, their low and mid ranged motherboards have long been a study of engineered kneecapping. Asus is as corrupt as a company gets, fitting they would do this to the company not paying them hundreds of millions to hobble competing vendors. Good news is nvidia will likely be as pissed off about this stunt as amd, they are no friends of the big blue demon.
I had the same thermal issues on my asus rog gl502vm 4 years ago. Sad to see, that they didn't change the thermal concept at all. I will never again buy a gaming laptop from asus.
There is another answer. OEMs themselves aren't ready. Their Intel products (which are more expensive and are more profitable) will NOT sell well if the Ryzen is dominating in every possible way.
nah, asus don't give a shit anyway. their main target is those unknowing masses that just bought a laptop, never questioning about thermal and whatnot. Of course, we enthusiast love to monitor those dem temps and fps, but the common dude just care about "as long as it works".
@@Dangles1337 That still has some vent weirdness going on. The G14 is fine, but the G15 has half of its cooling punchouts actually refilled with an additional punched on cover. It might be for cooling routing, but really doesn't seem needed, since it doesn't have any real cooling issues. But stil.
At this point i'm almost ready to believe the widespread rumor that Intel paid Asus to deliberately make the cooling solution worse. They've been close partners for well over 3 decades, most of the Asus smartphones use Intel processors. And honestly i'm kinda amazed and frustrated at the same time. I'm amazed by the lengths Intel are willing to go to in order to keep every single market share. Because let's face it, the whole they're in is so huge, you can't even see their logo at the bottom. They've lost high-end consumer market, lost low and mid range as well, started losing even on enterprise level (very often now i see Epycs deployed in places where Intel has reigned supreme before). Up to this point they were left only with hardcore fans (who also decrease with every day) and the mobile market. Until pretty much the last year AMD laptops were basically if you just wanted some cheap mobile computer w/o any interest in performance. Now however they come up with cheaper AND more powerful chip, which also runs cooler and is more versatile. Losing this market has the possibility to hurt the most. Especially when even Apple for the first time ever starts working on Macs with AMD cpus. Now that's a HUUUUUUUUGE deal. And Jim Keller leaving is the final blow; it's the cherry on top of the "we are enormously f*cked" cake. So yeah.. i understand why Intel pressed the "EVERYBODY PANIC NOW!!" button, but is this really the way a big company should react? This is where i get frustrated. They just should've come clean, admitted they made few major mistakes which lead to AMD bringing us a far superior product, cut their prices significantly to get rid of the products, suffer the losses which they have no one else to blame but themselves, and roll up their sleeves, dig into R&D and bring us a competitive product. Let's see if they can catch up at 5nm. No point of trying to develop 10 and 7nm cos the market is already OWNED by AMD.
@QuantumS1ngularity I’m kind of confused, why would intel pay asus to make the cooling solution worse? Shouldn’t they pay to make it better, and make their processors at least half decent to give people a reason to buy them? Edit - Nvm I’m dumb, you’re talking about them paying to make the AMD processors have bad cooling.
@Nugget Not negative attention. I have the previous version of this model and it's thermal design isn't much different if at all from this one. The CPU gets insanely hot and the fps drops tremendously every now and then in any game I play. The screen even though it's better than a 60hz panel, the slow response time makes the motions smear (called ghosting I believe) but I'm fine with the accuracy as it doesn't matter to me. But what asus has done maintaining the bad thermals is a poor marketing choice to save the rest of their lineup. I had some hope in them but this is atrocious.
It's been 8 months since I have bought this laptop and using it as a regular device for my Video Editing, Working with After Effects and some minor gaming. Haven't faced any issue after all :) My one is Ryzen 4800h 1660 ti variant
Many laptop OEMs do this, because it's obvious and makes sense. Or at the very least they put the vent over the fan so it can intake directly. Asus didn't get the memo obviously
When I first saw the bottom of this laptop from youtube reviews, I thought it was just a sample and not the retail product coz someone forgot to cut the holes underneath.
eyomme1 maybe They just indeed did forget it ;) Concept artis:”This is the consept for the bottom of the laptop.” Geo:”Looks good, just start mass production...”
I have the TUF A15 Ryzen 7 with the 1650 TI. Far Cry 5 - Ultra Destiny 2 - Ultra Red Dead Redemption 2 - Ultra Anno 1800 - Ultra Star Wars Battlefront 2 - Ultra World Of Warcraft - Ultra Call Of Duty Modern Warfare - Ultra Highest temp was about 90dgs Celsius running on Performance mode. The only issue I have had, is the touchpad is weird and almost "Sticky" sometimes, so with a Mouse there's no problem. Opinions are like Arseholes - Everyone has one. Yours just feels like a Paid one?
Yeah, I was about to say, I almost DIDN'T buy this laptop because of this video but it forced me to watch 20 others and while I did learn some other tidbits about it like the wonky, much slower 25ms display oddly with a super fast 144hz refresh rate that left me scratching my head, overall it seems like it's a solid performing laptop, even if the temps spike a little. It also seems like people are expecting $2000 performance from a laptop that's half the price. Throw this at any kid who loves to game and I bet they'd absolute cherish it! Expectations, perspective, price.
U can fix the touchpad . I read it on reddit . And works well. From : Sgnt_Sausage Wait, guys I think I solved it. Please let me know if this works for you: go to Device manager, under Human Interface Devices find "Asus precision touchpad" and right-click it. click update driver and choose "Browse my computer for drivers" and then "let me pick from a list of available drivers on my computer" then highlight "HID-compliant touch pad" click "next" and then "close". This worked instantly for me and hasn't missed a single gesture since then.
@@RISCGames nah you should have bought the eluktronics rp15 it doesnt overheat and has a 4ms screen and the same amd cpu, it costs like $1245 and compared to the asus tuf a15 it performs a lot better. Asus tuf is a scam trust me.
I would be interested to see a true test on airflow effectiveness of those vents instead of just questioning why holes are blocked. it's basically questioning a car aerodynamic base on just your eyeballs
Well he did say when open the temperature drop further, but i wonder is it becoz to comply with the military standard to prevent excessive dust from entering during operation time frame
that's not a true test, any laptop would yield better result without the cover. Plus there's temperature of the overall laptop components to consider too instead just cpu and gpu. this review sounds like it's wants to be different from all other reviews to capture attention and gain popularity, look at the title.
Ever since I saw those plastic sheets covering the intakes on the Zephyrus G15, I knew that Asus is trying to sabotage their own AMD machines. Why? I don't know.
In the Dell's case, all Intel's money was spent on uglyfying the design and ultra heavy plastic. They are already selling them, but until now, there're no compelling independent reviews out there. Really looking forward to a review from Tim.
@@saxtremer I saw dave2d's review but since HUB has a more educated take, I want a second opinion. But it seems it might take AMD a generation cycle to get the trust of laptop OEMs.
This is really disappointing, instead of gimping on features, they're gimping it in other ways to keep AMD in the back of the market... There is honestly no way this wasn't picked up in testing.
I'm pretty sure the Intel counterparts will receive the same treatment by Asus. Asus are notoriously known for horrible cooling solution on their especially on their cheap laptop lineups no matter what the processor it has. There are some model where the cooling are even worse than a MacBook Air.
There is a silly trick. Buy another bottom panel and make hole on it. Use it daily. if you want waranty claim just use the original one. The problem is we need some time before big e comerce sold this.
Well, after 6 month of using A15 with Ryzen 7 + RTX2060 on board I can say this: * Still runs like new, only one bsod. * Display is pure shit, but I was aware of that before buying. I use my laptop as workstation (UE4, level design) and connect it to a monitor (there's DisplayPort over USB-C in case someone is not aware). On laptop display I only run Slack. Works for chatting :) * Noisy under load, but being my first gaming laptop I have nothing to compare it with. When idle I can barely hear it. * Open Hardware Monitor shows some insane internal temps (insane from a fresh gaming laptop user's standpoint, probably they all are like this), but I could never feel it while typing. * Decent camera, shitty mic. Had to buy cheap ass Maono lav mic for Slack calls, lightyears better then internal. * Existing internal audio, but who cares? * Keyboard is okay, but I don't type a lot. Fells spongy compared to Logitech K380 I'm currently using. Now for the most interesting part, thermals. Under normal working conditions I measured daily maximums of 95-97° for CPU and 85° for GPU. Normally it was running at 85° CPU and 80sh GPU. Then I realized that despite AMD saying 105° is maximum for CPU, my laptop is not only CPU + GPU and those temps may negatively affect lifetime of other components. And I'm not a huge fan of buying new hardware every 1-3 years. So I checked for a few tricks to reduce temps without killing performance. And I kinda succeeded! Simply by disabling CPU turbo-boost and undervolting GPU (1500 MHz at 700 mV) I achieved what I wanted: * Reduced daily maximums for CPU / GPU to 85° / 75° (normally around nice 72° CPU and 68° GPU) * Didn't notice significant difference while working with the Unreal Engine: shaders compile almost as fast, navmesh rebuild takes exactly the same amount of time for large scenes (VERY large, not some arena-based top-down mobile shooter prototype), FPS in the editor viewport is the same, PIE FPS dropped like 1 or 2 on average. Lastly I'd say that Ryzen is a beast! Why the heck does it even need a turbo boost? Only for the sake of increasing temperature by 10°? I know better ways to fry an egg :) Never regretted buying this laptop so far.
amd is good and asus is smart, they charge you little for an hiped product 4000 renoir cpu and take the profit from using cheaper parts ,good buisnes sense from asus
Are you gonna make a video of expanding the ventilation holes to its full capacity? I recommended my friend this laptop because it's awesome spec for the price range.... Feels bad now
You have to consider that the A15 was designed to meet the mil-std-810h US military standard and MIGHT be the reason for the lack of vents on the laptop.
The design flaw must be to meet Military Grade 810H standards that requires the chassis to stay intact while dropped from certain heights. More holes would make the chassis weaker due to which it would fail these tests. Not many other laptops support these standards.
Despite watched this video, i still bought it just now. As an average gamer and tech enthusiast not professionals just a normal dude who don’t play much very high graphics demand game, i do play games, the screen is ok for me, the colour look abit mushy but there’s totally not a problem or a concern for me. As i am not doing photo or video editing. The 144hz is perfect for me as I upgraded from a 60hz display. Love it. The thermal issues though i play gtv at maximum setting everything on, get cpu to around 78-80 gpu around 75-77. Which isn’t that bad. To achieve this thermal state you have to disable performance boost using registry editor to show the power options setting. Try google it ur self. It basically control ur cpu to not overboost clock speed, disabling it will let ur cpu run at base clock speed at max 2.9Ghz and its more than enough for gaming n stuff. Overall i am very happy with this and feel good for the decision and i can say I have made a correct decision to ignore this biased video. Tq
I bought an Asus FA506IV 1 month ago with 8 gb ram and upgraded to 32 gb ram and installed winpro. Not a player but using high-end cad/cam softwares and doing professional renderings. Using with a 29" monitor with 2560x1080 res. and laptop screen is also on. I am using high end engineering or gaming laptops since 2003 and this one has made me happy and comfortable. I have no idea where those dozens of heat problem indicating videos are coming from. I didn't experience such problems anytime even during 4k video rendering output that continued 17 hours without break.
My friend needs a laptop and when it launched in US with that battery i thought i would recommend him this one but in India it launched with 48 Wh battery and they're advertising it as "large 48 Wh battery" in their website. 🤦🏻♂️
Good cooling is not simply about "big holes", its a cost/benefit analysis where e.g. too many holes will lead to more humidity and dust entering etc. This video is a great case against "amateur" reviewers.
I still think that Asus should just include more holes, and probably do something like what Dell did with the Dell G5 SE where they also installed a kind of dust filter mesh over the intake vents if u r concerned with dust entering the system. This imo would be a much more viable and efficient system that wouldn't cost Asus a lot of money.
It is videos like these (AND the super extensive benchmarks) that makes me say that Hardware Unboxed is the best tech channel on UA-cam hands down! More power to you guys!
Asus say they did not intentionally compromise the product in an attempt to make customers buy higher end systems. We offered our opinion that this might explain their design decisions, however the wording we used was poor. We've removed that section from the video.
Asus also deny the cooling design is flawed, saying that using an open vent design is overall worse for thermal performance. We are looking into independently verifying these claims and will update you when we have tested the laptop further.
thankyouuu...
It's wierd, it's surprisingly cheap where i live, so I'm still gonna buy it probably. I hope you guys keep doing this kind of videos, i personally would even buy a modded bottom panel. Overall i still believe you bringing up this problem was the right thing to do. As for the screen, i believe it's as bad as the others in the price range, like the GF65 thin, which has a 8% price increase where i live, and it has similar specs, though probably better build.
Thanks for being honest and correcting the mistake. 👍
Solid move! And thanks for getting in touch with asus about it.
Your review is most probably correct and Asus claims are most probably not. I have the same but 2019 model with the Ryzen 7 3750H and RTX 2060 and it is a bucket of heat, noise, and video problems, being the first that the computer shows the video panel attached ONLY to the APU and some games just do not use the GPU whatever you do. You MUST play with headset on or you won't be able to hear the game over the roaring fans. The NVMe is not the fastest, just ok-ish and cheap... I was also surprised by the lack of proper ventilation, and I opened it to install an additional HD for storage. If the heat pipes are not the same they look very similar, so maybe you are dealing with an old thermal design. Now I want to test it without the bottom part, dammit...
"using an open vent design is overall worse for thermal performance." that's some BS when MSI's GL65 performs way better with open vents. For them to deny that their design is flawed = buyer beware alert.
Had (1660ti version) this for 5 days now. Doing heavy duty things each day for long periods of time. I've only set the NVIDIA options to high performance.
Upgraded from 8gb RAM to 16gb.
Played games like Destiny 2 / Total War: Three Kingdoms / Warzone / XCOM etc. - highest settings
Running architectural / rendering softwares like autocad, revit, enscape, lumion
Overall I'm satisfied. Cooling is fine. It's cooler around where the hand usually is at the AWSD area / number pad & warmer on the middle part but not hot enough to feel uncomfortable.
On turbo mode most of the time and the fan does make some noise, but tolerable, but you don't really notice it when you're in the zone. Unless you're the type that do. If you have headphones on then its not a bother at all.
EDITED: After a little over a month of using this laptop...
Used it daily for work / gaming / and the general shit you do on the internet... sometimes i have even used it around the clock.
It's still running like brand new. lol
EDITED: almost 6months in...still as above.
Played the new AC valhalla (mostly on high graphic settings) and a few hours in on Cyberpunk (mostly ultra settings) and its smooth runnin' so im happy!
48wh battery runs out of juice quick though, when unplugged, so would advise getting 90wh one to last longer.
Maybe 6 months isn't enough time to really see any faults so will probably check in again in months time. Or if i come across any issues.
EDITED: 1 year later...
Usage: as above
Heating: still as above.
Performance: No drop. Still performing well for me. Have not experience any technical difficulties so far.
-Liking the eye care feature under armoury crate. takes the stress off the eyes when active for long periods
-Only downside i found so far is that my 'AWSDF' keys has slightly faded, probably because of usage. But not really a concern for me.
Is it worth what you pay for... YES!
Could you get better ones under same pricetag.. Probably.
This was a year ago when I purchased so not sure what's on the market.
Anyway, hope this gives people a bit of an insight when deciding to buy or not.
Goodluck
bro thanks for your opinions I am gonna buy the same version of yours and I was little nervous about cooling. your comment helps me :)
@@katsu8693 No worries bro. I think the bad reviews only apply to hardcore users and IT experts. But I'm casual and not really tech savvy. I base my opinion on user experience.
Did you care about the ghosting in the screen? Was it really distracting like that?
@@OsmanthusWineZhongli wow ive literally had not noticed until you mentioned it. So to answer your question. No, not distracting at all
@@ronin1040 its just my first time owning... But I can use a monitor for this one right?
If you were interested in the A15, there are lots of other mid to entry-level Ryzen 4000 laptops coming out soon from many OEMs (Acer, Dell, HP, MSI and Lenovo to name a few). We'll be on the lookout for which one is best in the next few months, but it's hard to imagine other OEMs will use such flawed designs
Please do a review of the Eluktronics Matrix Red Pill 15 or 17!!! AMD Ryzen 7 4800H with boosted RTX 2060!! Currently one of the fastest gaming laptops as per notebookcheck.
Tim, you should probably look at some of the older ASUS laptops in a similar price class dating back to 2016. A lot of them shared a similar flawed design and come with it hobbled performance, loud fan noise and potentially questionable reliability down the line. I just happen to also be a disappointed customer of one of those laptops.
When I heard that the A15 has a flawed cooler design, I wasn’t surprised. This was common with lower-tiered ASUS gaming laptops for a while now. The only thing that surprised me was that you guys were the only ones who actually called them out proper on it, with most of the others riding on the Ryzen hype and seemingly brushing off those flaws aside.
To be fair, it shouldn't be a such big reveal. Asus TUF designed to be worse than more expensive devices. TUF is just a marketing gimmick for low tier products line.
Like literally, the engineering team gathered at a whiteboard and gathered flaws on how to make it less attractive in every way possible.
It'll be interesting to see if the 4900H A15 and the intel based F15 models will keep the same bottom panel and GPU power level.
I’m actually looking forward for other laptop review in your channel, please do more like this!
Great timing for me to see this video right after I bought one of these.
Lol
@matt Bowen so how's the heating issue?
Yeah any heating issues that we should consider??
@@cinephrase31 Rog strix g go for that
@@bssumukha7663 that's too good of a lap but the price is 90k above.. my budget is just 75k
*Please Read this*
I myself bought this laptop looking at the price and specs of it. I was really exited to get it home. When i got it i was really happy with it but then i started looking at the temps which on my Asus A15 were sometimes 105 degrees. I then bought me a cooling pad a big one though it didnt help at all maybe 2-3 degrees difference. Like many others i feel sick to my stomach when i see temps reaching 100 degrees when playing light games.
Now it gets wierd
I decided to open it up and apply new thermal paste on everything (Grizzly thermal). Though it helped i was still seeing it reach over 90 degrees which is better ofcourse but not good enough for me.
Tried to figure out what the problem was.
The problem was AMD control center which has something called a "Virtual supersampling" function. And it was at factory set to on. I turned it off and bam. It freaking fixed my thermals. The AMD intergrated GPU was under such a heavy load from all the extra noncense settings that it reached that high. For me atleast.
The highest temp ive gone so far after my fix is about 80 degrees and thats perfect.
I wanted to write this to maybe help other people who are stuck in this thermal hell.
Idle temps are around 47 doing nothing with turbo fan setting
Idk what are you all talking about these high temperatures. Mine, which has 7 4800h and 1650 ti, in gaming like Nier Automata, GtaV etc gets maximum 75 with cooler
@@corincristian5769 try a benchmark and see what i am talking about
Thanks for this awesome tip
@@marnoa606 Glad it was useful. You can also try performance mode thats what im using atm. My laptop gets abit noisy when im in turbo mode :)
Seems like Asus have decided to throw the entirety of their TUF lineup under the bus.
The TUF lineup has many bad products.
Seems like the X570 Gaming Plus was one of the few TUF products that escaped butchery
CheapBastard1988 I gues they are not that TUF anymore
@@NeXMaX Oh, there is still time for cheap condensators to defect.
I've seen enough ASUS boards, it's safe to say that they are all shit.
TUF stands for Thrown Under Fbus
So close yet so far...
As always, Hardware Unboxed is risking their neck to uphold the best interest of the consumers.
Thank you Steve and Tim for the hard work.
I hope AMD finds out about this and penalise ASUS...
This is like a way too weak stock cooler you can't replace.
@@emmata98 they ain't gonna do that. Asus make loads of stuff that are AMD based
@@thepolticalone961 I am speaking of a fine, not a ban
@@emmata98 has anything like that happened in the industry? I do not really see the point in penalising a partner company for mucking up a product.
I don't know WTF Asus is doing with AMD, last time they screwed over the whole 5700 line they had. Put on the aluminium foil hats and say Intel pays Asus to screw over AMD LOL.
"Let's put a massive air grill down there"
"Good idea!"
"But let's block 90% of it!"
Seriously, theri cooling design is as he said 'atrocious'. I and my friend got the TUF FX series model with i7 gtx 1060, but it heats up like crazy and throttling gets unbearable. The TUF series actually taught me never to get a laptop for gaming, go with a PC
Asus did something similar with their G15 which is an almost identical unit to the M15, but purposely put some plastic strips to block the air intakes for some "inexplicable" reason to make its thermals and performance worse than its Intel counterpart
@@dennisgatere7821 I have the G15, and decided to take off the covers. Temps dropped by 7C on the GPU and 10C on the CPU. What the fuck Asus.
@@a_spire yep, case mod time. Could be fun!
Fake air vents is hilarious, but they need to incorporate more hinges that lifts up the laptop from the table.
after watching many laptop reviews, I feel like all electronic companies just want to make good laptops with something wrong with them -.-
That's how it works, otherwise nothing could be improved in next versions. There is always a problem to improve in next models.
It's because they want people to buy their most expensive products which have everything so that they can earn more money.
It is to reduce the building cost and price tag to lure more buyers who did not know what exactly they get inside.
FHD 1080 IPS 144HZ is what they advertised and most ppl would be ok with it until they know it is not 100%Srgb...
Yep it's a consumers nightmare ,Manufacturer's knobble the midrange laptops so there high models look better.
Create a problem and sell the solution, the marketing technique of douchebags everywhere.
MSI GL 65 = 1600€
ASUS TUF A15 = 999€
In Germany.
I'd chose the ASUS TUF A15 anytime.
How about the new Lenovo Legion 5/5i?
funny thing. I placed a new batch of thermal paste on my a17 and the temps are no way near thermal throttling. Some how I feel like he is paid by MSI because of how great the tuf is price to performance.
@@theoc007 lol they shit on msi all the time, no way they are paid off
@ps5 is lit Good joke man!
@ps5 is lit Yea, yea ofc console peasant
"How does ASUS save money?" - Not paying their engineers of course!
Or Intel is paying their engineers to purposely not make Ryzen shine
Do you have any source for that?
@@DAddy-iy9mu the statement is more of a joke "explanation" because it implies that asus didn't pay their engineers so the engineers didn't actually do their jobs.
Asus gets money from Intel to block the vents
DMV written test according to another comment is the intel model also runs hot.
Why OEM these days almost all of them gimping AMD Ryzen 4000??? Either lower Display quality (high refresh rate but huge response time) on it's price compare to their Intel SKU, Low-Mid Tier GPU or design flaw ....
Smh
It has been well-known issue that 'blue' gave OEM incentives for downgrading AMD product's SKUs...
*see rog zephyrus G15 review, its air intake are blocked!*
To make 7nm amd based laptop in parity with 14nm intel when it comes to heat, performance and efficiency? I wonder why asus designed like this?
Think about it. If their budget laptop outperforms, runs cooler, has more battery life AND also has a comparable screen? Their top end products with Intel inside will NOT sell well. They need to gimp this beast or else they'll hurt their own sales. Very very scummy.
@@muhammadhanifkurnaen6689 yep, proves my point.
The MSI is 500 bucks more expencive in my country , I'd buy the Asus and drill holes at the bottom of lol .
You can buy a back cover for it on the internet so you have 2 drill holes in 1 and keep the other one normal so you don't have problems with warranty and shit
Agreed bro
I own one you just got to keep the back up to get extra air flow than it's good
lol
That’s my boy I did the same thing bro and it’s works lol 😂
Thank you for confirming what I tried to explain in my A15 review 🙏 Some day I’ll have tools to provide response time evidence.
Hopeful Interpretation I think you have the wrong guy. I always talk about wattage, thermals and acoustics. I can’t recall a review where I didn’t.
I guess we have to wait for brands like XMG, Eluktronics, etc to make it right. Though I can no longer wait. Will probably get the Fusion aka Mag for being the overall better package
Just opened a three hexagons under each fan with a dremel. Average temperatures dropped around 8 deg.Celsius for cpu (88->82) and 10 deg.Celsius for gpu (80->70). Measured with HWiNFO during Fortnite game-play.
Cheers
Nice job dude! Warranty be damned!
@@andrewyoung4473 Lol
@@andrewyoung4473 You guys are getting WaRrAnTy?!
u should make tutorial about this and upload video on UA-cam 😁
Please don’t wooosh me but isn’t 88-82 = 6?
I can't stop staring at the Technic Lego holding the Ryzen box.
The same
Me too .. 😬
Yea
Ikr!
He is saying don't buy this laptop
Meanwhile....he has put his affiliate link to buy this laptop...😂🤣
lol ikr . . .
i have this laptop its good
He gets sponsored. also his bad reviews are reverse physcology .
@@gurvanshsbrar9850 Hi. is it hot when you are gaming?
@@alitalebzadeh9318 Mine is fine gaming, watching UA-cam etc... with no issues 👍
My theory:
OEMs aren't ready for a chip of this calibre and they HAVE to intentionally gimp it. Why? Because if this Ryzen chip is allowed to work at its full potential, then their sales of Intel chipset laptops (higher end) will be heavily gimped. Customers will ask why is this expensive laptop performing worse and running hotter? It'll mess up their entire product lines and they won't be able to keep up. By intentionally choking Ryzen chips here allows them to price their products like they do and get that money
Or hear me out, just don’t buy a cheap laptop and expect the world from it. Surprising I know.
@@RustomH ASUS ROG G15 also has blocked air vents. It's not a cheap laptop.
Nah, this is just the typical lower-tier gimping. ASUS has done this for a good long while even on some of their lower-tier Intel laptops.
@@RustomH cheap? you call 1200 bucks cheap? O.o
@@NeXMaX I think we'll see similar intentional design choices in other OEM laptops.
If I remember correctly, even the Dell G5 SE runs terribly hot because of shitty thermal design.
Asus got the cooling design from Intel along with a bag of cash.
boycott ASSus!
Sadly previous versions from Asus that sported Intel CPU also have this shitty thermal design. Asus is just bad in these price ranges.
My asus laptop with intel CPU is thermal throttling all time because It doesn't have any heatpipes and it uses only a very tiny heatsink on CPU without any connection to the tiny fan
It's just product segmentation. It's like "Want more holes in laptop? Want better Display? Pay more for the Premium".
Why AMD fanboys loves to blame everything on Intel? This issue is clearly coming from Asus. They botched the cooling on their products especially on their cheap products. If you have zero experience with servicing laptops I got to tell you that there is a lot of Asus laptop model, no matter what the processor it has, having a really shitty Mac Book Air-esque "cooled by magic" cooler design. Even brand as shit as Asus nowadays like Acer never done that as far as my experience servicing their products.
4:30 “I dont see this design save Asus in any cost whatsoever....”
Yeah, it save Asus from Intel as far as I see
most likely the case since the old intel Zephyrus lineup has better vents compared to the AMD 3rd gen zephyrus which has blocked vents making it hotter even though they have the same chassis
It is bad by design. It is destined to not compete with any more expensive or future products.
Intel: "Financial horsepower *wink wink*"
Asus: "Gotcha!"
Their own top end product pricing will be questionable if they let Ryzen work at full potential.
I bought this laptop laptop after watching this video, and even bought 4900H for my friend, no regret whatsoever. These reviews take everything thing to end of the world situation..
What about performance and thermals now? I desperately want to buy 1 which is with 4600h and 1650 .No option in same price with such great configuration .Please relpy
@@mukunddakwe8309 in 6 month i don't have any issue with laptop. Even while playing heavy game i use a cheap ₹170 stand and never experienced thermal throttling.
So will i should go for it
@@mukunddakwe8309 www.amazon.in/Lenovo-IdeaPad-15-6-inch-Graphics-82EY00L4IN/dp/B08PV3DQCW this or tuf a15 whichever you find cheaper in stock. Buy any of two both are good.
edit: legion 5 is available with heavy discounts. That better build laptop.
@@ratneshkumarsingh448 is lenovo trustworthy?
Reviewers: "Asus has designed a laptop with several issues"
Asus: AMD is to blame
Or "Intel payed us to not make AMD look good. "
@@charliecorrea7133 Honestly only thing that makes sense for why they would purposely gimp a laptops thermal performance.
@@balce69
This is How Intel's Influence on Manufacturers CRIPPLE the New AMD Zen 3 Ryzen APUs..
By Combining it with LOWER-SPEC Hardware Components:
- Poor Thermal Solution Performance,
- Poor Display Quality,
- Lack of Modern I/O Ports,
- Weak Batteries,
- Bad Exterior Design,
- Shitty Keyboard Layout,
- etc..
We need to RIOT the Shit out of them in Order to Get Rid of this Systemic Downgrading..
Who's with me??
💪💪💪
@@siredward9568 Easy there Sir Edward, here in America we beat Rioters. Sadly.
@@siredward9568 #zenchipsmatter
asus is messing up their TUF brand. it is like they made it to get people to buy ROG brand.
That would normally be the case, but even some of the RoG products have similar flaws.
The only TUF product I’ve heard any good of is their X570 board... everything else is failure after failure!
TUF has always existed to make the ROG products look good. TUF has never been good. They've always cut every corner while barely matching competitors specs but people buy it because it's Asus.
@@AMDeZani damn, dont scare me like that. does their gpu counted aswell?? i saw 1660S for a good price
ROG isn't any better. I've got a G501JW here - basically same issue - no air intakes and the notebook is melting under load. Performance is getting hammered when you actually game or put stress on cpu+gpu.
Would love to see ASUS CEO watching this and see the emails going to his colleagues :D
ASUS CEO: WTF GUYS, HOW DID THIS HAPPEN!
ASUS engineer: hold on, this whole operation was your idea
Asus CEO why, because we won't get processors from the other company if we re-enforce how bad they really are.
Pretty sure they had to gimp Ryzen or else Intel models would never sell hurting the company. These Ryzen chips are just so much better than Intel that they just can't be let lose without messing up the companies' entire product stack.
😂😂😂😂
@@Rhino123freak OEMs rely on Intel's marketing tricks for selling a laptop with higher profit. It is all because of people's mindset that AMD must be cheaper than Intel, no matter how better it is in performance.
I bought this laptop(1660ti ver). Mostly playing Monster Hunter World and rainbow six siege. And sometime streaming my PS4 with elgato. Never regret my buying, no issue with thermal throttling what so ever. I think for me, it is a good buy.
Its a good criticism video tbh, showing the flaws bluntly and straight up, but they're minimal for me and the screen is good enough. I mean this lappy will never really leave my table so rarely any outdoor usage. Never had thermal throttling issues whatsoever.
i bought this too but unfortunately this is 60hertz and i missed it who can give me some morale
Hüseyin Umut AYRAN 60hertz? The screen? I got the 144hz model, tbh the gpu cant even push that high, 60hz is just okay. Dont worry to much.
Got my Asus tuf a15 ryzen 5 1660ti laptop yesterday and I'm sending it back due to it being really slow and getting really unstable fps in the few games I've tried so far (won't even play fortnite at epic settings have to use high and even then its not great. Also it overheats. Going to get the legion 5i core I5 rtx 2060 instead. Anyone have one of these?
Have u tried 4k video editing on this. If yes how does it performs ?
Conspiracy theory: intel paid asus to make a terrible amd laptop
Nah, Asus always is hot garbage.
Given the latest situation, very likely
More like an extreme plot twist🤣
Wouldn't be so far fetched. Intel is losing quite a bit of market to AMD so they have to do something.
I loved Intel, and then my processor was slowed due to a security flaw.
I'll wait to see how things play out before I buy another Intel based laptop.
It seems like they're paying everybody, just like a few years ago. All Ryzen laptops have serious flaws, which the Intel chips don't
I can't stress enough the importance for us customers of serious, comprehensive tech review channels like you guys or Gamers Nexus. Bad products like this one have to be exposed, so as we don't end making a purchase we later regret (especially in countries like mine where refunds or RMA are difficult and/or expensive).
A few days ago I saw the review of this laptop on another well known "serious" tech channel that mentioned the low quality of the screen, but on the other hand praised the cooler design from ASUS just because "the temperatures were below throttling level" while at the same time complaining on the fan noise... Even then, the bad quality of the screen was not stressed enough, saying it was "ok for gaming" and not good only for content creation.
Keep up the good work guys, your content is amazing not only for the technical reviews and sensible buying guides, but also for entertainment. Cheers from Uruguay!
i spent like a year looking at reviews before i got my laptop, and i still love it 2 years later. one of few 8th gen laptops with 2 m.2 slots, and the 1070mq still runs everything like a champ. the CPU does love running hot as balls though
Very well outlined, thanks.
We need names of that other channel
Name the other channel
Brad Haines are you referring to Digital Foundry? I agree, DF got this one wrong. Tbf I’d rely on DF’s opinion when it comes to graphics, game engines, and gaming performance analysis. I wouldn’t use them for laptop reviews. I don’t blame you however for trusting them since the majority of their content is very detailed and thorough, but they’re not on the same level as Hardware unboxed.
From my experience, the design 'flaw' with the vents has been an issue with 'lower end' laptops across most manufacturers for a long time. Make it look like it has a lot of vents, flash fancy marketing images saying it has amazing ventilation, and people buy it thinking that they just might finally get a laptop that doesn't burn their lap only to be disappointed when it's just more of the same. I'm sure laptop manufacturers are fully capable of making a laptop under $1k that doesn't cook itself and its user, but doing every little thing you can to make them throw it away as soon as possible and buy something new just works too well.
I think I'm just gonna stop paying attention to new laptops entirely. Honestly, it just seems like if you're uwilling (or unable) to drop a couple thousand dollars or more then you may as well just sift through the clearance aisle and hope for the best.
Not saying you're wrong, but as a point of contrast, I bought an entry-level ThinkPad E495 laptop last year for less than USD 500 (converted), and it has absolutely no problem cooling itself. Granted, it only uses 15 W and the fan doesn't even need to turn on unless I run a prolonged workload, but even for a CPU with that TDP, it still has dual heatpipes and more than enough ventilation around both the fan and heatsink, and around the components themselves. Needless to say, at that price point, compromises were made, but nevertheless given the low price, I've nothing but good words about it.
It reminds me exactly of why it is that I got the strange thought in my head of turning an old suitcase-PC into a modernized portable desktop machine.
Because either the hardware is crippled, the cooling is crippled, the display is crippled, the chassis is crippled - or a combination of any of them.
yeah, fuck off i'm not buying
@@chuuni6924 i would be really surprised if a 15 watt cpu was overheating. It does not take much to cool it
gaming laptops should not be on your lap.
That's seem to be just how OEM treat budget gaming laptop, does seem to be the same across all OEM. They either charge more for better cooling or put in lower tier chip for the same price or sacrifices something else. Just gotta pick your poison. Just hope that at least these laptop can still last for at least 4/5 years with decent performance
Title: Don't Buy The Asus TUF Gaming A15
Me: *Buys it anyway*
Title: 👁👄👁
@Toughparth123 It's even better! 3 months in and it still feels like I've just unboxed it yesterday. Sadly I missed out on a recently newer A15 variant with the 2060;90whr version.
@Toughparth123 It handles pretty much any game you throw at it well, temps-wise after a bit of tweaks mine doesn't go beyond 80°c. It's a beast if I must say.
How's the battery life would you recommend it for school
@@oogabooga420 How is video display? I heard the quality isn't so good.
@@hoodhood007-4 I haven't gone into fully testing the battery life yet, as I've always kept mine plugged in ~set to 60% for maximum lifespan.
Though I've recently tried running it without plugging in.
Battery 60%
- Balanced power mode
- Better battery
Browser with 15+ tabs, music playing, lurking on reddit, and qbit seeding from external HDD connected.
It lasted about 2 hours (20% left)
Though if power mode was set to power saver, it could've lasted more I'd say, and that's just at 60%
The 90whr was one of the main reasons I got this for academics, adding to that is the 180w power brick which charges really fast.
The review spends 20 minutes saying that the Asus chose a poor display and did a poor job cooling the circuitry. Cooling matters if you don't want to be heat throttled.and the display matters if you want accurate color and/or non blurring images.
Had you read this comment before watching the video you would know what's in the video and 20 minutes to do something else.
short and easy :)
7 mins in.. good thing i scrolled down, thanks
Thanks
I was reading the comments the whole time
Thank you so much. Can't listen to a robot for 20 mins.
Amd made amazing cpu´s that perform way better than the competition with less power and we see companies just sabotaging those products. This is infuriating and evil. AMD needs to star making their own full notebooks... that´s the only way to ensure a good product.
Your right, AMD is providing a great CPU but the end result is a mixed bag due to other OEMs.
yes Amd should come up with a reference design for their laptop like old google nexus series phones and pair with an oem to manufacture it that would teach these oems some lesson.
Intel invidia Cartel.
Man, I have trusted Asus for years. They have broken my trust now.
How the hell did you do that? Other than motherboards they are one of the most untrustworthy brands out there!
@@makisekurisu4674 Even motherboards, some of their bioses for Zen 2 were straight up borked and untested for months
@@kendokaaa gigabyte all day for motherboards
All OEM's have do that, sell garbage on budget mobile laptop.
@@kendokaaa yeah their B450 ranges are absolute trash!
I just bought one of these laptops, mainly for the MIL-STD-810H capability. I will be traveling with this laptop in various climates, namely construction sites with lots of sawdust and temperature variations. Some of the design considerations look to be specifically made to reduce infiltration, by using smaller openings and filter paper to block foreign material from entering the case. It may not be optimal for cooling the system, but if sand infiltrates into the fans, it would cause more heat issues in the long run. I understand there are things they could have done better, but based on their design decisions it looks like they were thinking of meeting the 810H standard. I just hoped more of these reviews would be more honest about reading the full claims the manufacturer specifies. I would like to know if this ACTUALLY meets the aforementioned MIL-STD-810H. If it meets the standard, I have no problem with the system getting "hot", as long as it "protects" its components by either slowing them down or speeding up the fans. I can find little to no reviews on covering this standard. I have seen on a few websites that it does meet the minimum of the standard, in essence it passes. I researched a variety of companies, but have only found one company that provided an 16+ cores/threads, a "high end" graphics card, and future upgradability. That company was ASUS, and only their TUF series. Other companies that offered 16+ cores/threads processors were either AMD graphics or overly heavy (extra layers added to meet the standard). Lastly, since I will be doing a lot of 3D CAD and SolidWorks designs for altering designs on-site, a "gaming" laptop with multiple processors was highly important. I would have went with a Nvidia Quadro graphics, but it was priced a lot higher, with less payback.
that made sense. but they should only fit it with lower power consuming processor and gpu, which produce lesser heat
@@ahsanihafizhushali Just because I will be working in a "hazardous" work environment does not mean I would want to be stifled with low grade parts. According to documentation, the system has a built in "fan cleaner" and will throttle when necessary, given certain work conditions. For instance, when working on a construction site in the winter, I do not see it throttling as much, but in the summer it may throttle a bit to deal with the excessive environmental heat. It is better to design a system that will spin up in favorable conditions, but save itself in unfavorable ones. That is why I would like to see some testing in various environments to verify the company's claims.
Yes, pretty much this. It's meant to comply with 810H that's why the intake and exhaust ports were designed this way. And as Dupre said, the system will throttle as necessary and won't be damaged by the high temperatures.
I was thinking the same way as you sir.. I work as designer, and need fast and strong machine in various climates and ofcourse with 'budget'friendly too. I think this machine with RTX version is fast enough to help me in constructuon site.. I also don't mind about heat since in the weather in construction site is hot either. Most important thing is no dust came in to the machine, and shock resistance.
I'm about to buy this for 3d CAD, sketch up, lumion and revit.
Wow another Asus AMD product that's got terrible thermals? Who'd have thought. Let me guess they'll blame AMD on this one too.
Yeah... AMD must have given them the wrong torque spec for the bottom cover screws... SMH... 😅
"AMD didn't pay us enough" lol
"AMD made us block the vents!"
Amd did say that this cpu needs less cooling... so we desided to block 90% of air intake... so it is AMDs fault!
"AMD marketed this chip as being very efficient, so we thought there wasn't any need to get proper vents. Apparently, AMD overhyped the efficiency of Zen 2 mobile processors. We apologize for the inconvenient."
Throw a Dremel at that back cover. It should improve air flow.
too bad a dremel can't fix the shitty screen tho
the shitty screen still can be removed and replaced by a better one. It's not a easy as drilling holes but it's doable.
@@PainterVierax display connectors and drivers are proprietary they can't be swapped
Erdem With a bit of skills, connectors can be adapted.
Drivers for a display ? LOL since it's standard eDP or LVDS, a driver is completely useless if the new panel provides the same resolution.
@@PainterVierax true. but better screens cost a bit of money. at that point is it worth just buying a different laptop
They might as well've used Intel inside stickers to block intake airflow lol
You are a legend.
one of the most underrated coments ever
just wait, TUF with Intel Core 10th series. I think Asus will fix most of these problems with that SKU (color, response time, thermal) just to make AMD looks bad.
Him: don’t buy this
Me: is that a challenge, kind sir? *orders*
Is it good?
was it good? does it still work?
Something is fishy here, the AMD based Zephyrus G15 has its fan vents blocked. I think there might be an Intel engineering working at ASUS!
Actually, most of their lower-tiered laptops are designed like that, even Intel powered ones.
My GL502 has the exact same flawed design. I’m baffled that it’s only taken until now for people to take notice.
most likely the same design from their old bottom cover from the ga502du since the air vents is also blocked compared to the intel versions which aren't blocked
But why?
A lower performance part should obviously draw less power and give off less heat. So it should obviously run cooler in the same chassis with the same cooling.
If it doesn't, they botched something.
I think own or disown contacted Asus about the g15, and they claimed thr covered vents are to redirect air across other areas of the motherboard, improving passive cooling there are the cost of gpu and CPU. Even if that's the case, it's obviously a bad solution.
Hell, even my old laptop from ASUS (intel cpu) has its vents blocked. I had to take the whole damn thing apart to unblock it, and "magically" temps improved by 20°C+
/tinfoil hat
Paid by intel??? Seriously though, it's absolutely bizarre, I really cannot understand the cooling design at all.
ASUS are gonna milk the Ryzen hype with a trash product. Just consider the A15 as an Apple product, you'll get the idea.
Oh, and intel are definitely helping, the better part of their money should come from laptop chips (as people prefer smaller systems + the fact that every desktop is Ryzen now).
i'm guessing maybe their market research shows them most ppl aren't gonna care about these obvious shortcomings since not everybody buying gaming laptop is a very informed power-user. :shrug:
You should check out apples MacBook air cooling system or lack thereof... I feel like we're about to be fully in the age of intentional design flaws.
Nothing to do with Intel at all. ASUS has been designing their lower-tiered laptops like this for a while now.
Baffling that Hardware Unboxed has been the only one so far to actually bring attention to this, since everyone else is praising it so much.
And the cpu is doing all the cooling by itself because it's more efficient and have 2c4t more it's so sad I tough ASUS is our saver .Imagine that 10750H with that cooling it will chock to death
Send me one of the a15s if you dont need it ❤
Damn😂
thats just sad get a job
MrDucky17 not that easy. Clearly you’re a minor
@@HamzaGamezz well if it isn't that easy then a gaming laptop should be the least of your priorities, just saying
@Michal Lašan where are you from??
Had this computer before and now my little brother haves it. It runs perfectly still so none of what's been said is really correct in the long run here. It's a great gaming laptop and it doesn't cost 3-4000$. Would highly recommend.
What they said about the bad ventilation isn't wrong, it just might not matter to you.
@@nathangamble125 true, people expect too much, it's still a good upgrade from a shitty $400 notebooks
@@farithrosh when paying a lot of money you expect the best. leanred a lesson from asus for buying their rog 501 series which runs like a fucking jetplane taking off yeah it might be powerful but also cant hear shit with the fans going and it STILL overheats if i play with the lid closed for like 30 mins.
@@toot1231 LOL if you think 1000 dollars is a lot for a gaming laptop. For 1000 dollars, you get way more than you usually would.
@@NoClueHonestly Yeah I do think 1k is a lot of fucking money and should expect a better experience. 1K is upper end and it retailed for 1.2k so I know my shit and no one unless you are a gullible idiot spends more.
Rip Asus... Poorly designed GPU’s, now laptops? What’s going on.
@Mina Besali old Asus was good
asus also makes poor quality monitors ,sells at premium price
Apple-like marketing for the ill-informed. Crazy that it works!
Thy fixed their GPU didn't they?
everope Only when people called them out on it, and even then, for the Strix 5700XT, they tried to at least shift part of the blame to AMD for their guidelines, even though other AIBs have the same guidelines but have zero issues with their 5700XTs
The Strix was also overpriced. The Sapphire Nitro+ was less expensive and performed better across the board.
Make a Guide to " modify " the laptop back plate to get 100% of the performance, great work!!!
1. Cut the perimeter of those hexagons with extreme care
2. Install a mesh panel on the inside that covers all the hexagonal openings
3. Profit
@@thelegendaryklobb2879 4. Loose the warranty.
Seriously, I'm thinking about modding my cooling pad so that the laptop fits perfectly and then off we go with the backplate.
Hopefully a tutorial will be posted by someone. Really disappointed by the thermal design. My order will be coming at the end of month and it can't be cancelled anymore geez.
@@ianjasperona3576 download more cooling instead more ram.
@@thelegendaryklobb2879 Just waiting someone do that, create secondary mod cover for ASUS TUF A15 then upload final result.
ASUS again 🙄. Makes me confident never to buy any ASUS product again.
Yeah they just half a so much stuff these days. They try to put up some fake premium branding but can't deliver that when it comes to hardware.
I got two zephyrus laptop, no one end well. Spend tons of time dealing with BS customer service. One CS mail came one and a half months after I sent the ticket.
Yea, I wouldn't buy an ASUS product, shows they don't give a hoot about quality.
try zephyrus g14 ;) that is the shit
bruh, you never bought acer if you re this pissed off by asus
For the price point ($999) I paid and my use (i.e., occasional gaming, business, day to day, mild content creation, etc.) the ASUS laptop is sufficient. I have an external 1440p monitor that I use as well so the panel shortcomings I can deal with. Plus, the 4800h is far ahead of Intel's offering in the same price point. Also, I prefer a laptop over a desktop because my work is mobile upwards of 40% of the time. Based on the overall value proposition of the laptop (1 year accidental warranty, Ryzen 4800h, GeForce 1660ti, 500gb NVME SSD, 16GB DDR4 Ram, RGB, and one screw to access the expansion slots for an additional NVME SSD and RAM) it's a very good choice despite the drawbacks. Especially when you compare it to other laptops in the $800-$1,200 range. Sure, the MSI seems more well rounded, but I will gladly take the ASUS over the MSI because of the CPU benefits and overall value for MY NEEDS. Nonetheless, the key-points on the areas for improvement for ASUS should be well noted and improved in the next design of the TUF laptop.
And you get an extra bonus if you work in harsh conditions.
Do you use the external 1440p monitor for content creation as the RGB on this laptop is bad?
Mine replaced a 5yr old PC (which it out performs) and I am very happy with it . All of the criticisms are valid , but seeing how I use a large , quality , external monitor for my creative tasks and at home gaming , they don't really apply to my use case . I'm told that fitting extra ssd storage will void my warranties , so I will perform my own case mod's when the time comes if cooling becomes an issue .
I needed a laptop in a hurry after my old PC was destroyed in the recent Australian floods. This one was available locally , on sale , for $400 dollars off RRP. I have had it for a couple of weeks now and I love it .
TUF must stand for The Ultimate Flaw or something similar. otherwise, they shouldn't make product like that.
Still rocking the TUF Z97 Mk1 on my desktop. Zero problems
The Ultimate Fuckery
Go check HB's first TUF lineup of the 5700xt....
The Ultimate Foolish
@@claritoresdiano1021 The Ultimate Foolish Hero
I was actually interested in the A15 laptop but after this video there is no way i'm buying it, I will just wait for a different Ryzen laptop.
Same. Instead I'm buying the Eluktronics RP-15
Yep, same here.
This.
I am building a PC instead..
@@gurman241 I already built a PC. Hard to find good parts right now at MSRP but you'll love it man! And I'm with all you here.. I was eager to get the A15 and now I'm like nooo about to binge watch GL65 and GP65 reviews!
Everyone talking about how youre not buying this laptop anymore... if youre getting it for video and picture editing, youre right you need a good display. But for the rest of us tryong to get a budget gaming laptop, unless youre willing to drop an extra several hundred bucks, this is the best performance/value laptop on the market
I don't think so, there are several ones that is better on the market
@@adinugraha1276 like what?
@@adinugraha1276 is the lenovo legion 5 one of them?
@@adinugraha1276 what are the several other laptops that are better? At this price point.
@@adinugraha1276 I've been closely watching the market for the past 6 months and i can assure you the only thing competitively pricing this laptop ( maybe only where i am ) is nothing, everything else is 1050ti and at 1000$ price point and this laptop is at 1300$ with 1660ti 144hz 1tb m.2 and an extra slot for another ssd r7 4800h and 3200mhz 16gb ddr4 ram
15:15
GL65 is 8% faster
Plot twist: it's 8% more expensive
Display tho
has 8% more airflow
More than 25% price
More plot twist: 100% more airflow
@@sumanchhetri1809 yes
In India they reduced ram size to 8 gig... Battery 48w...😂😂
You shit in the streets, 8gb is all you need.
Selling this garbage on amazon for 98k... disgusting... :/
In Germany too
@@shauryasingh1624 and no r5 4600h + gtx 1660 ti variant
4800h+1650 ti for 79k
and 4800h+1660ti for 98k
weird af pricing
Take legal action against asus in india😠😠
Ahhh remember when I was kiddo, $1300 laptop isn’t “midrange”.. those beautiful days....
funny how 1300 bucks is a budget laptop these days, really if people don't need the mobility desktop is the way to go
a 500 USD laptop is what I call a budget laptop, because its Ryzen 3000 cpus and Vega graphic can do everything that you need, just a little bit slower.
also Desktop is way cheaper, a 500 USD desktop is already an entry-level Gaming PC, and if you compare to laptop, 500 USD is a budget laptop.
welcome to corporate brainwashing. no one is immune.
Thanks for keeping up the great content
Despite your personal opinion, the ASUS TUF Gaming A15 is an affordable laptop that has treated me beyond excellent. Only had a few minor issues with it throughout the 2 years I've had it that were easy fixes if you have a basic understanding of what you're doing (They even have a program to diagnose computer issues and live support to help). One of the biggest issues I have had was the fans. All you gotta do to fix this is open it up and clean the fans once in a while though. It has a sleek, modern design that has held up, and supports ethernet, USB, USB-C, and HDMI and headpones (all anyone should need). The laptop has not slowed down one bit and can run very high-end AAA games at a solid 60 with no issues. It also has 2 GPUs, (which is very nice and convenient). For $1,000, this laptop is BEYOND worth the price you pay, you can take my word for it.
mmm owning a rtx20xx at a price of $1000 in 2020 must be good
Asus keeps messing up
implying this wasn't engineered in on purpose. Asus pocketed a fancy sum for this stunt, i hope AMD cuts them off as they are and have long been scumbags.
The g14 works well. I haven't had any problems with mine yet. Granted it came in in yesterday, but it's been stunning. I am going to be testing things out but so far the g14 is a very competitive option expecally when you account for it being a 14" laptop
I think this was done to meet the military grade toughness requirements
I was gonna buy this, too:(
Your profile picture and your comment are relatable
Dodged a bullet with this one. Was just about to order this today too.
Honestly, the display turned me off when I saw the reviews
@@somevisitor1316 damn you.. tom and Jerry all time classic.
@@MrBangijal I could live with bad display, but when I see bad thermal design... Well it looks like Asus doesn't even bother
Asus's TUF AMD laptops/GPUs have been like:
Customer: Hey Asus, this product is so unbelievably flawed, what do have to say in your defence?
Asus: Tough.
😂😂
I think you meant "TUF"? :D
Man, this video convinced me to buy this laptop
Edit: Thanks for making the review. It really helped in the decision process. I do not care that much about the color gamut. And thermal performance sounds good to me as I will rarely push it as you do in gaming , I’m using it basically to run FDTD simulations. Hopefully, I’ll remember an give an update. Again, thank you!
Update?
So as an update: so far this laptop has performed really well for me. I expanded the RAM to 32 GB (2x16) and added a second 1 TB m.2 drive. The fact that you can do these upgrades easily is very nice. As for simulations, everything has been great running simulations on both CPU and GPU. I have wrote a couple scripts that take advantage of multi cores to make calculations and it has been awesome the Ryzen processor is truly amazing. On both simulations and my own scripts temperatures of CPU and GPU stayed under 70 degrees Celsius . I did run a couple of games on it just to try it out and the thermal performance there could be an issue, running The Witcher 3 at 60 FPS I saw CPU temperatures of 91 degrees Celsius and at 30 FPS I saw temperatures around 75 degrees Celsius. Hopefully this is helpful. Cheers
@@danielgr95 ..thanks brother...
@@danielgr95 is that r7-4800H 3050 4gb?
Didn't they do a similar thing to the ASUS ROG Zephyrus G15? Where the air vents directly over the fans were covered by a plastic sheet?
yeah I had a GA502 with R7 3750h and that had exactly the same problem. Bottom panel was mostly covered and the laptop throttled itself in gaming. I wonder if it's being done on other AMD powered gaming notebooks.. would be good to look into it in more depth.
Harmz Singh It actually is! If you look at the Zephyrus M15, which has an intel CPU, that one has the same back panel but without blocked air vents
Asus likes to botch their AMD laptops, i guess. there's older type of their AMD laptop that also botched compared to the Intel version
@@brendonlim6327 im about to preorder zaph m15, would that be ok? Need a suggestion, ty mate
Damn I've been falling in love with the g15, but this is making me reconsider. Is the plastic sheet removable in any way? I really wanted to go AMD because their CPUs are just better, but the m15 doesn't seem to have this problem so what, I'm not forced to go intel?
This laptop is quite TUF to recommend now. I was probably gonna get it, thanks for warning us.
Man this laptop is a mess 🤦♂️😭
What is weird is that the g14 is pretty amazing. I got mine yesterday and the only thing that I wasn't absolutely blown away by was the choose in ssd. Intel 660p is a QLC based ssd but I was surprised about how fast it was still. It's weird seeing the g14 being so good by the a15 being less competent.
Keaton Blomquist i sent back my g14, loved it and the design but just cant deal with 16:9 on laptop screens anymore lol
@@tmi1234567 just wanted to ask, goes G14 have any blocked air vents? I know G15 has.
@@tmi1234567 TUF
RhinoFreak not that I know, but the temps on the G14 are not better, the hot air gets blown into the screen, limiting performance
In my country, ASUS TUF FA506II AL016T costs 1029 usd + bonus 8gb from reseller + 2-year warranty. Meanwhile, MSI GL65 costs 1350 usd + 1-year wanrranty and also MSI laptop in my country has very bad reputation about their durability in the long run.
Asus have fallen from grace in recent times.
Nope, their flagships or higher end Intel gaming laptop is still damn good. They actually purposely choke the cooling for the sales on their Intel laptop.
nah, they've always been anticonsumer scumbags, their low and mid ranged motherboards have long been a study of engineered kneecapping. Asus is as corrupt as a company gets, fitting they would do this to the company not paying them hundreds of millions to hobble competing vendors.
Good news is nvidia will likely be as pissed off about this stunt as amd, they are no friends of the big blue demon.
@@anasevi9456 It's still infinitely better than Apple!
Hardware unboxed: don't buy this laptop
Me: there's a toy crane car lifting a Ryzen box. Interesting.
I had the same thermal issues on my asus rog gl502vm 4 years ago. Sad to see, that they didn't change the thermal concept at all. I will never again buy a gaming laptop from asus.
Meanwhile while I'm playing red dead 2 at 60 degrees on my A15
Yeah mine is also fine - no crazy high heat issues, but i do have Ryzen software installed & Supersampling is off.
I LIKE how the LAGO crane is lifting the Ryzen 5 box.
Edit:I mean to say Lego. I do apologize if anybody got triggered.
Its Lego
@@qqqqhuz It's actually Logo
@@Rentta I always thought it was lugo...
LUGU???
Ackshually it's ligma
great review Tim
maybe Intel do Their shenanigan to hinder AMD at mobile market
absolutely, there is no other explanation. Why else would they note drill in more holes for cooling? machining costs lol?
There is another answer. OEMs themselves aren't ready. Their Intel products (which are more expensive and are more profitable) will NOT sell well if the Ryzen is dominating in every possible way.
HUB: "Don't buy asus tuf......"
Asus: "oh shit, what now?!"
To be fair, I have the new ROG G15 and its a dream. I'm guessing they rushed this to market or maybe just dont give a fuck about TUF 🤷
@@Dangles1337 yeah. their tuf last year was shit too. I do not like ASUS much. Even acer is better now
nah, asus don't give a shit anyway. their main target is those unknowing masses that just bought a laptop, never questioning about thermal and whatnot. Of course, we enthusiast love to monitor those dem temps and fps, but the common dude just care about "as long as it works".
@@Dangles1337 That still has some vent weirdness going on. The G14 is fine, but the G15 has half of its cooling punchouts actually refilled with an additional punched on cover. It might be for cooling routing, but really doesn't seem needed, since it doesn't have any real cooling issues. But stil.
We het tuf+ half year later that open those holes...
At this point i'm almost ready to believe the widespread rumor that Intel paid Asus to deliberately make the cooling solution worse. They've been close partners for well over 3 decades, most of the Asus smartphones use Intel processors. And honestly i'm kinda amazed and frustrated at the same time. I'm amazed by the lengths Intel are willing to go to in order to keep every single market share. Because let's face it, the whole they're in is so huge, you can't even see their logo at the bottom. They've lost high-end consumer market, lost low and mid range as well, started losing even on enterprise level (very often now i see Epycs deployed in places where Intel has reigned supreme before). Up to this point they were left only with hardcore fans (who also decrease with every day) and the mobile market. Until pretty much the last year AMD laptops were basically if you just wanted some cheap mobile computer w/o any interest in performance. Now however they come up with cheaper AND more powerful chip, which also runs cooler and is more versatile. Losing this market has the possibility to hurt the most. Especially when even Apple for the first time ever starts working on Macs with AMD cpus. Now that's a HUUUUUUUUGE deal. And Jim Keller leaving is the final blow; it's the cherry on top of the "we are enormously f*cked" cake. So yeah.. i understand why Intel pressed the "EVERYBODY PANIC NOW!!" button, but is this really the way a big company should react? This is where i get frustrated. They just should've come clean, admitted they made few major mistakes which lead to AMD bringing us a far superior product, cut their prices significantly to get rid of the products, suffer the losses which they have no one else to blame but themselves, and roll up their sleeves, dig into R&D and bring us a competitive product. Let's see if they can catch up at 5nm. No point of trying to develop 10 and 7nm cos the market is already OWNED by AMD.
Which era u living in? Asus phones with intel chips were last seen 2-3 years ago.
@QuantumS1ngularity
I’m kind of confused, why would intel pay asus to make the cooling solution worse? Shouldn’t they pay to make it better, and make their processors at least half decent to give people a reason to buy them?
Edit - Nvm I’m dumb, you’re talking about them paying to make the AMD processors have bad cooling.
I only been found video telling how good value and good laptop ASUS TUF A15
But not this one
@Nugget Not negative attention. I have the previous version of this model and it's thermal design isn't much different if at all from this one. The CPU gets insanely hot and the fps drops tremendously every now and then in any game I play. The screen even though it's better than a 60hz panel, the slow response time makes the motions smear (called ghosting I believe) but I'm fine with the accuracy as it doesn't matter to me. But what asus has done maintaining the bad thermals is a poor marketing choice to save the rest of their lineup. I had some hope in them but this is atrocious.
I want a video of someone trying to fix this with a dremel
giuseppe filippone der8auer? xD
I might do that with my A17
@@homewardboundphotos id suggest buying a 3rd party bottom panel for that
@Zieg usually sites like alibaba or aliexpress. but given how new the laptop is, I'm not entirely sure with the availability
Him: Not knowing what to do with the laptops after this
My poor ass: GIMMIE
It's been 8 months since I have bought this laptop and using it as a regular device for my Video Editing, Working with After Effects and some minor gaming. Haven't faced any issue after all :)
My one is Ryzen 4800h 1660 ti variant
Do you edit in 4k? Just wondering how the temps get when editing 4k.
that some good investigating, thanks for running the tests with the bottom cover off.
Why dont laptop makers just put a large open vent with anti-dust mesh covering it?
Many laptop OEMs do this, because it's obvious and makes sense. Or at the very least they put the vent over the fan so it can intake directly. Asus didn't get the memo obviously
Because that'd be sensible. ASUS clearly doesn't know what's sensible.
@@Hardwareunboxed You just don't get it. This design is engineered and tested. It is supposed to be like that as intended, by asus.
When I first saw the bottom of this laptop from youtube reviews, I thought it was just a sample and not the retail product coz someone forgot to cut the holes underneath.
eyomme1 maybe They just indeed did forget it ;)
Concept artis:”This is the consept for the bottom of the laptop.” Geo:”Looks good, just start mass production...”
I have the TUF A15 Ryzen 7 with the 1650 TI.
Far Cry 5 - Ultra
Destiny 2 - Ultra
Red Dead Redemption 2 - Ultra
Anno 1800 - Ultra
Star Wars Battlefront 2 - Ultra
World Of Warcraft - Ultra
Call Of Duty Modern Warfare - Ultra
Highest temp was about 90dgs Celsius running on Performance mode.
The only issue I have had, is the touchpad is weird and almost "Sticky" sometimes, so with a Mouse there's no problem.
Opinions are like Arseholes - Everyone has one. Yours just feels like a Paid one?
Yeah, I was about to say, I almost DIDN'T buy this laptop because of this video but it forced me to watch 20 others and while I did learn some other tidbits about it like the wonky, much slower 25ms display oddly with a super fast 144hz refresh rate that left me scratching my head, overall it seems like it's a solid performing laptop, even if the temps spike a little. It also seems like people are expecting $2000 performance from a laptop that's half the price. Throw this at any kid who loves to game and I bet they'd absolute cherish it! Expectations, perspective, price.
Its just good that guy doesnt know anything
U can fix the touchpad .
I read it on reddit . And works well.
From : Sgnt_Sausage
Wait, guys I think I solved it. Please let me know if this works for you:
go to Device manager, under Human Interface Devices find "Asus precision touchpad" and right-click it. click update driver and choose "Browse my computer for drivers" and then "let me pick from a list of available drivers on my computer" then highlight "HID-compliant touch pad" click "next" and then "close".
This worked instantly for me and hasn't missed a single gesture since then.
@@RISCGames nah you should have bought the eluktronics rp15 it doesnt overheat and has a 4ms screen and the same amd cpu, it costs like $1245 and compared to the asus tuf a15 it performs a lot better. Asus tuf is a scam trust me.
@@vinsofficial99 Thanks for this. Going to try this right now. Was trying to deny the trackpad issue I was having.
Almost prophetic. I was going to buy the one with the 4600H next week...
Lenovo here we come!
Whcih lenovo type that youre going to buy?
Yeah which one is it 🤔
@@kertz5732 Lenovo Legion 5
I would be interested to see a true test on airflow effectiveness of those vents instead of just questioning why holes are blocked.
it's basically questioning a car aerodynamic base on just your eyeballs
Oh my god exactlyyyyyyyy
Well he did say when open the temperature drop further, but i wonder is it becoz to comply with the military standard to prevent excessive dust from entering during operation time frame
that's not a true test, any laptop would yield better result without the cover. Plus there's temperature of the overall laptop components to consider too instead just cpu and gpu. this review sounds like it's wants to be different from all other reviews to capture attention and gain popularity, look at the title.
@@zero2zero4 yeah you have a point but he has a reason ??
@@zero2zero4 what's your point? That this channel is a fraud?
Ever since I saw those plastic sheets covering the intakes on the Zephyrus G15, I knew that Asus is trying to sabotage their own AMD machines. Why? I don't know.
Probably intel is paying them more money than Asus will ever make by selling these laptops.
Has happened before, so i wouldnt be surprised
Asus : made cheap high performance laptop
UA-camr : Don't buy!!!!
Apple : made expensive mac
UA-camr : Take my money!!!!
Please review the Dell g5 15 se that has the all AMD hardware.
OWNorDisown did
@@faisalhaider007 and it seems like that the g5 is not a good option too
In the Dell's case, all Intel's money was spent on uglyfying the design and ultra heavy plastic. They are already selling them, but until now, there're no compelling independent reviews out there. Really looking forward to a review from Tim.
@@saxtremer I saw dave2d's review but since HUB has a more educated take, I want a second opinion. But it seems it might take AMD a generation cycle to get the trust of laptop OEMs.
This is really disappointing, instead of gimping on features, they're gimping it in other ways to keep AMD in the back of the market...
There is honestly no way this wasn't picked up in testing.
I'm pretty sure the Intel counterparts will receive the same treatment by Asus.
Asus are notoriously known for horrible cooling solution on their especially on their cheap laptop lineups no matter what the processor it has.
There are some model where the cooling are even worse than a MacBook Air.
TUF luck to anyone who already bought it
i'm sorry
thx:o
"TUF"?
..more like "The Ultimate Fuckery"
😂😂it's quite alright
There is a silly trick. Buy another bottom panel and make hole on it. Use it daily. if you want waranty claim just use the original one. The problem is we need some time before big e comerce sold this.
@@muhammadhanifkurnaen6689 exactly. I recommend the same for G15 as well. Same problem, same solution.
Well, after 6 month of using A15 with Ryzen 7 + RTX2060 on board I can say this:
* Still runs like new, only one bsod.
* Display is pure shit, but I was aware of that before buying. I use my laptop as workstation (UE4, level design) and connect it to a monitor (there's DisplayPort over USB-C in case someone is not aware). On laptop display I only run Slack. Works for chatting :)
* Noisy under load, but being my first gaming laptop I have nothing to compare it with. When idle I can barely hear it.
* Open Hardware Monitor shows some insane internal temps (insane from a fresh gaming laptop user's standpoint, probably they all are like this), but I could never feel it while typing.
* Decent camera, shitty mic. Had to buy cheap ass Maono lav mic for Slack calls, lightyears better then internal.
* Existing internal audio, but who cares?
* Keyboard is okay, but I don't type a lot. Fells spongy compared to Logitech K380 I'm currently using.
Now for the most interesting part, thermals. Under normal working conditions I measured daily maximums of 95-97° for CPU and 85° for GPU. Normally it was running at 85° CPU and 80sh GPU.
Then I realized that despite AMD saying 105° is maximum for CPU, my laptop is not only CPU + GPU and those temps may negatively affect lifetime of other components. And I'm not a huge fan of buying new hardware every 1-3 years.
So I checked for a few tricks to reduce temps without killing performance. And I kinda succeeded! Simply by disabling CPU turbo-boost and undervolting GPU (1500 MHz at 700 mV) I achieved what I wanted:
* Reduced daily maximums for CPU / GPU to 85° / 75° (normally around nice 72° CPU and 68° GPU)
* Didn't notice significant difference while working with the Unreal Engine: shaders compile almost as fast, navmesh rebuild takes exactly the same amount of time for large scenes (VERY large, not some arena-based top-down mobile shooter prototype), FPS in the editor viewport is the same, PIE FPS dropped like 1 or 2 on average.
Lastly I'd say that Ryzen is a beast! Why the heck does it even need a turbo boost? Only for the sake of increasing temperature by 10°? I know better ways to fry an egg :)
Never regretted buying this laptop so far.
A15: exists
Hardware Unboxed: I'm about to end this notebook's whole career.
Ryzen 4000 mobile: exists
Asus A15: I'm about to end this notebook's whole career
I think ASUS may have done that to themselves.
They really had it coming
In summary:
AMD good
Asus bad
hulk sad
@@django4100 Intel smashed
@@steveweidig5373 AMD snapped
amd is good and asus is smart, they charge you little for an hiped product 4000 renoir cpu and take the profit from using cheaper parts ,good buisnes sense from asus
@@onlycorner5565 smart my ass. its an asshole move right there
Are you gonna make a video of expanding the ventilation holes to its full capacity? I recommended my friend this laptop because it's awesome spec for the price range....
Feels bad now
You have to consider that the A15 was designed to meet the mil-std-810h US military standard and MIGHT be the reason for the lack of vents on the laptop.
AMD : Zen2 mobile is so good, now we can take mobile market from Intel
Asus : Hold my TUF 15
The design flaw must be to meet Military Grade 810H standards that requires the chassis to stay intact while dropped from certain heights. More holes would make the chassis weaker due to which it would fail these tests. Not many other laptops support these standards.
Lol
Despite watched this video, i still bought it just now. As an average gamer and tech enthusiast not professionals just a normal dude who don’t play much very high graphics demand game, i do play games, the screen is ok for me, the colour look abit mushy but there’s totally not a problem or a concern for me. As i am not doing photo or video editing. The 144hz is perfect for me as I upgraded from a 60hz display. Love it. The thermal issues though i play gtv at maximum setting everything on, get cpu to around 78-80 gpu around 75-77. Which isn’t that bad. To achieve this thermal state you have to disable performance boost using registry editor to show the power options setting. Try google it ur self. It basically control ur cpu to not overboost clock speed, disabling it will let ur cpu run at base clock speed at max 2.9Ghz and its more than enough for gaming n stuff. Overall i am very happy with this and feel good for the decision and i can say I have made a correct decision to ignore this biased video. Tq
GTAV is not a core heavy game, good luck mate.
I bought an Asus FA506IV 1 month ago with 8 gb ram and upgraded to 32 gb ram and installed winpro. Not a player but using high-end cad/cam softwares and doing professional renderings. Using with a 29" monitor with 2560x1080 res. and laptop screen is also on. I am using high end engineering or gaming laptops since 2003 and this one has made me happy and comfortable. I have no idea where those dozens of heat problem indicating videos are coming from. I didn't experience such problems anytime even during 4k video rendering output that continued 17 hours without break.
I just bought this 4 hours ago
Rip me i guess
The screen isn't bad at all and cooling is still perfectly fine. This guy is a bit pretentious.
Then cancel
Cancel
I bought it and sold it last week. What a rubbish.
same :D
The screen is a bigger travesty than the cooling setup, that's truely sad.
My friend needs a laptop and when it launched in US with that battery i thought i would recommend him this one but in India it launched with 48 Wh battery and they're advertising it as "large 48 Wh battery" in their website. 🤦🏻♂️
Good cooling is not simply about "big holes", its a cost/benefit analysis where e.g. too many holes will lead to more humidity and dust entering etc. This video is a great case against "amateur" reviewers.
I still think that Asus should just include more holes, and probably do something like what Dell did with the Dell G5 SE where they also installed a kind of dust filter mesh over the intake vents if u r concerned with dust entering the system. This imo would be a much more viable and efficient system that wouldn't cost Asus a lot of money.
My PC has a mesh air filter for the power supply that you can clean and replace...i wonder when that high tech will come to laptops?
It is videos like these (AND the super extensive benchmarks) that makes me say that Hardware Unboxed is the best tech channel on UA-cam hands down! More power to you guys!
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Stupid ASUS!They should just ship their laptops without a base cover!
Asus is going to be Asus. I've always had problems with their devices, motherboards, routers, and the list goes on
Yup, my local computer shop owner had high praise for it and pushed on me Asus motherboard twice, this was a good few years ago.