"God exists because miracles & evidence" | Sheree - Mt. Vernon, IL | Talk Heathen 02.46
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- Опубліковано 19 лис 2018
- Talk Heathen 02.46 for November 18, 2018 with Eric Murphy & Thomas Westbrook.
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Jesus promised to free the world of sin,
Thor promised to free the world of ice giants.
I don't see any ice giants.
and I don't see any babies born into the world as sinners.
Where did Jesus say he promised to rid the world of sin?
@@maow9240
He died for our sins inferring that there would be no more.
@@charlesdahmital8095 where does it infer that there would be no more sin? Jesu died for our past, present and future sins. The wages of sin is death and that's exactly what Jesus did. He paid those wages but that doesnt stop sin from happening just means that the payment has been paid for us if we accept the payment if not then we are to take care of that payment ourself and its been appointed for man once to die then the judgment so with Jesus paying oir wages of we accepted His payment then he stands in place for oir judgment but if we dont accept His payment then it is left for us to be judged by ourselves. Will you pass that judgment? Are you good enough like Jesus?
@@maow9240 so your jesus gets to set the 'debt', the price, the payment, and the terms and conditions? Not much of a deal. Sounds like a stand-over merchant.
My premature baby lived, therefore god.
*Millions of others die in agony*
God is mysterious
"His ways are not our ways." I've heard every excuse. ;-p
@@Yeiyn343 "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger." "God works in mysterious ways." "This is a test from the lord." "The strength of Job." "The child is in a better place." "God has a reason for everything." "It's all part of a Greater Plan."
God creats them and kills them to cause the parents pain. Sounds like 4 years old playing with toys
JT Alistair She also said that if her premature baby had died that would also be God. Her minds already made up. No critical thinking at all.
God is great at spawn killing
Sheeree is a perfect example of Thomas Payne's words in action. "You cannot reason with a fanatic. It's like trying to give medicine to the dead."
She's not listening at all. That's annoying.
Truth
"To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture"
-Thomas Paine
"Medical experts helped my sick child, therefore God exists."
Spaghetti with parmesan cheese & garlic bread cured my hunger...
Therefore god. 😂
@@TenFalconsMusic god cured your hunger pains
@@TenFalconsMusic That's proof of the flying spaghetti monster
@@guts1859rAmen
My son was born at 31 weeks (emergency section), weighed two pounds, spent his first month in an incubator, is now 30 years old. Doctors and nurses did a great job. Prayer was never a factor.
I'm offering even odds that at least one of the staff in PEDS is a devout believer who not only prayed for your son, but would love to claim the credit for his healthy(?) development. I'm with you; medical staff all the way. I'm just being rather pedantic in suggesting that prayer may have been a factor about which you were unaware, much like you may not have been aware of which doctor got some strange on their lunch break and came back energized, essentially a whole new person!
@@TheSnoeedog In England, I doubt it.
LOL! I love it! (Soviet Canuckistan; while faith certainly exists here, it's nothing like chez-my-Southern-Neighbours@@Canalcoholic
Translation:
"I think God exists because I think miracles exist because I think God exists."
Oh Snap Great comment. I am still laughing.
Love it. Well said. Circular reasoning is what many theists use to argue their erroneous claims.
How come there's no miracle for missing limb what's your answer
@@peterbeaumont7619 Peter Great question. Be prepared for some crazy as* answers.
Because God is mysterious, he is beyond our ken! But he is good and loves me.
this woman literally says “i used to be just like you” then when proven wrong says “we’re nothing alike” as if it was her original thought
I'm surprised by how many people liked this comment and how no-one pointed out how flawed it is. Saying "I used to be like you", and "we are nothing alike" are not mutually exclusive. I can literally say "I used to be like you, but now we are nothing alike" and there is absolutely nothing contradictory there.
It is funny how many people within the atheist/sceptic community assume themselves to be so sceptical and objective that the first thought that comes to their head must be the result of careful considered scepticism. It isn't. You can be just as illogical and non-sensical as theists and this comment proves it.
@@MrMyers758I can’t tell if you’re pretending to miss the point being made with those comments or not.
@@TheDevilsDaughter47 Why would I pretend to miss a point? Please explain
Yeah and my mother was pronounced dead and a priest came and prayed over her and you know what happened...nothing.
But it was gods will that she not come back. If she came back that would be gods will too. See, god is real regardless of what happens, so he is basically useless.
@Robert Kelly Yes, because claims cost nothing. Christians doesn't even put as much effort into performing believable magic tricks as some cult leaders like Jim Jones (who rummage through his follower's garbage to gather personal intels about them before "predicting" them in public), while Christian pastors just say whatever they want the believers to believe and the they swallow the lies without batting an eye.
庫倫亞利克 I like to ask them why a good 90% of the time god seems to “heal” people already being treated by medicine and/or the condition they are “healed” of are conditions that are treatable by medicine with varied results.
Why does he discriminate against healing physical ailments like a missing limb? Dwarves generally have multitudes of ailments due to their condition, why doesn’t he heal them from dwarfism?
Why doesn’t he heal mental retardation? Or Down syndrome? Autism? Fetal alcohol syndrome? Or people in a vegetative state to instantly “normal”
Really curious of his motives to only heal the same specific ailments over and over.
Why don’t you see these “healing” Pastors praying over a paraplegic, asking god to grow even just 1 leg or arm back? Or to take away a child’s Down syndrome?
Hmmmmm curious....
@@mattallison8221 because he works in mysterious ways. It's the cop out answer. They have zero evidence to back their claims so they say stupid bullshit like, he works in mysterious ways. What a joke
Sheree: “I used to be just like you.” Also Sheree: “We are total opposites.”
Those two statements do not contradict one another. One is past tense and one is present tense.
@@tetsujin_144 still assuming she knows about who they are based of nothing but an hour per week. If she's even seen that much of their lives. Just another unfounded assertion.
@@cambriaofthevastoceans6721 Yes that's true, but is completely irrelevant to what the OP said and this guys response. The OP was suggesting from the framing of his comment that those two statements are contradictory. They are not, and this guy pointed it out. No-one said anything about whether or not the statements themselves were sound and so bringing that up in a response is not a response.
@@MrMyers758 nope. Sorry
"I'm just like you all"....10 seconds later... "I'm the opposite of you all"
The psychological equivalent of "you have missed your exit...rerouting"
To be fair she said "i WAS just like you" Meaning an Atheist. When told they grew up Christian she said she is the opposite in the sense that she grew up Atheist.
When she said she was just like them and described childhood unpleasantness, and he said she did not know them (cutting off her hurt angry atheist script), she got angry. When they explained they had been Christian and became atheists, she was very angry, "opposite", not the same world, reminded of her children. They had to get her attention and calm her down. She had to let go the script. We are all different, all in the same world, let's talk.
Barely three minutes in and we already have: assertion of knowledge without proof or evidence, post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy, appeal to the Bible... holy shit. These guys have more patience than I could ever have.
Tens of thousands of babies starve to death *every day* , Can this uninformed woman please not talk about one baby "coming back to life" ?
Cory Hampton I see that you are strongly delusional and misinformed. Your response was weak and had no meaning. No power just nonsense.
@@donnelledwards7084
How am I delusional and misinformed? I am not the one who believes in a god for which there is no evidence and who refuses to show himself.
So what am I misinformed about? You don't think that thousands of babies starve to death everyday?
That sort of mindset, my friend, is what makes Christianity a bigoted, selfish, arrogant and xenophobic notion. Oh, God helps them find their car keys! But meanwhile he leaves the millions of children in Africa to suffer and die because it's according to his plan...who do they think they are, some privileged selected scions that will be treated with luxuries when the universe ends? Even some kings and queens are nobler and humbler than that.
@@donnelledwards7084 It's called the bigger picture . . . when you realize how indiscriminate the real world is, you come to realize no god has any hand in it.
@@donnelledwards7084 Yet all you did is call other people delusional and misinformed and give no reason to why his argument was weak and had no meaning. Hypocrite D:
"Do you have any miracles that happened to you, specifically?"
"Well, I have a friend who..."
😂😂😂😂😂
@@magicmike5408 That story was not strong enough to stand for her claims and therefore they asked if she could present the best one and one she has personally experienced.
@@magicmike5408 Which story wasn't too convincing. A preature baby, mother at home? Bad news about the baby's state delivered to the mother by the phone? Sounds very unconvincing..
*At a hospital surrounded by people who studied the human body for years* Who else helped him but god?
Why did they bring him to the hospital and not a church?
Apparently she went home because they called her twice with her 2 lb newborn infant son in the hospital. 🤷
I live 20mins from there. It's insanely conservative and yes its this crazy.
Being an atheist in southern Illinois sucks and they are very judgemental.
One reason I love you guys. You are a liferaft in a sea of madness. ♥
livelearnlovesmile : well spoken. very well spoken.
@@Herzeleydt_Diesentrueb Thank you.
livelearnlovesmile I’ve got your back .. metaphorically.. move to Denmark :)
I live in Ofallon and thankfully I've never encountered people THAT deep in religion.
You are not alone. There are many geographical spots like yours. There are also many ACA and TH members around the country who take the same kind of solace from shows like this. Best wishes! 🌷
"I really don't want to know anything about you because you're the ones with something that is against what i believe"
This is a HUGE problem with believers, they really dont care about you and generally hear what you say but dont listen.
“Your baby did a complete 360”
Oh so he is dying of liver disease?
1 year later and this joke is still very underrated
I was reading this just as she was saying it. It's a miracle.
nearly 2 years and this made me laugh, thanks
He is an excellent skateboarder.
@@andymaciver1760 he should be able to surpass Tony hawk by now
When I was younger I was very ill. My parents took me to a doctor who said it was a cold. They then took me to a second doctor who said, correctly, that it was meningitis. They put out a call to prayer and not only did I get better, I got *a lot* better *very* quickly. This, to them, is proof that god exists, who else could have done it?
It's incredibly frustrating, because not even they fully believe it. Who else could it have been? The doctors I was taken to, perhaps?
Exactly, perhaps the bible and prayer thumpers could si.ply do prayers and not take up hospital beds
If you were brought to a church and not to a doctor, it could maybe have been something supernatural. You would still need to prove it, though.
@@beaconeersofthesevenmaps3467 Some people DO recover, and fast sometimes.
Often because they are not actually THAT sick, but they FEEL like it.
And then they stop feeling bad.
So it looks like fast recovery.
Even in a church.
If you only needee God to heal you, why take you to a doctor at all? They're hypocrites. Ignore the suffering of everyone else, but claim this as a miracle.
She should pray that no children get sick in the first place.
That would be awesome.
But alas....
no,she should be praying that her children won`t be so stupid as her...
2:48 - "...he did a 360°"
I realize she probably just misspoke, but if a patient did a 360° it would mean they are right back where they started. Come full circle.
Yeah, I hear people say that all the time. They're not mis-speaking. They just don't think about it or don't even know that it's in reference to part of a circle.
This woman's lack of understanding of how many degrees are in a full circle is the least of her problems.
Yeah, I caught that “360” too. Made me chuckle.
the ONLY time i heard this phrase before was in the movie "last action hero"... dubbed german, i really didn't realize there are people who would actually say something this stupid.
Adonnenniel H The only way I can possibly justify their “360” is to suppose that it “sounds” like even more turned around than a 180 (exactly double actually) but never thinking about what they’re really saying.
The ignorance of theists is stunning.
And many seem to enjoy exposing it with their every word ...SMH
so is the amount of mugs on set
@@T2Darlantan like your b.s. religion
@@gainer83 I'm an atheist, you don't have to be religious to recognize too many mugs
@@T2Darlantan 😂
Sheree law.
You win the internet - well done.
WOW!! U ROCK!!...asshole...
Hahaha!!
Yep that could exist in Muslim countries, has nothing to do with here though.
That was a pun on the callers name.
Sheree doesn’t seem super bright, but she has a natural talent for scepticism. She doesn’t believe most things on faith, but unfortunately she has succumbed to a story while she was vulnerable. I hope she regains her composure.
That’s how they get addicts into Christianity, also why she is accepting of anyone’s personal “higher power”. Her story smacks of the path of an addict, from the population I used to work with in her region.
You cannot judge someone's brightness based on their opinion on one subject. I knew someone who was an incredibly intelligent person who was logical and sceptical and incredibly insightful, but as soon as the subject of his religion came up all of those faculties would shut down and it would be impossible to have a critical discussion with him.
Now if he called into a show to discuss his beliefs, you'd likely write him off as a dumb, unsceptical person. This is where essentialism really fucks people over, where you have a single experience with someone, and apply that experience to the entirety of that persons worldview.
You're wrong to make a judgement about her intelligence just based on her opinion in one subject.
I'm more inclined to believe that people misunderstand or misread what doctors are telling them, because doctors have to be cautious about the information they give, than believe that anyone on their deathbed miraculously is healed of everything and it's perfectly fine the next day. If This Woman's son had been healed miraculously he would likely still be being studied.
I'm a GP who does ER sessions on weekends (South Africa). I couldn't have said it better.
I'm a pediatric icu doctor and as a matter of routine, the hospital social worker sits in on family conferences. I am pretty careful in choosing my words and not state anything that I am not sure of.
Regardles, after I leave, the social worker ask the family to repeat what I said. It's pretty common that I have to go back in to clarify major misconceptions.
People pretty much always misunderstand what is happening in a hospital. They are under a lot of stress and generally do not have a medical background to help them understand what is happening. It can be pretty hilarious to hear someone telling what happened during a medical crisis when you know what they are most likely talking about but they are getting the facts all wrong.
IF this guy she talked about actually started breathing after being pronounced dead, there certainly is a medical explanation for that. The medical staff would have been working on him prior to that, trying to bring him back from the brink of death. They would have given him various medications that are used in a code situation to get his heart going again. Those medications can still take effect *after* the code blue procedures have been stopped. So he certainly could have started breathing again after the staff left the room, but it is not because they prayed over him. It would be because of the hard work that the doctors and nurses just put in trying to save him.
Their is no way her child was born preemie and then the next day he was full weight, and developed like a non preemie, that would be a
Most people can’t even comprehend what goes on behind the counter at a convenience store, yet these same people think they can accurately describe what ER surgeons are doing well enough to rule out any possible natural explanation and just attribute everything to Yahweh.
10:31
*Sheree*: Builds strawman argument
*Eric*: "You know nothing about us"
*Shree*: "Well I really don't want to know anything about you, because you're the one with something that is against what I believe."
Wow, most theists don't come out so brazenly saying they don't care about the truth, all that matters is their preconceptions not only about their own religion, but also about the people they are arguing with. (Edit: typo)
I agree - that was the most telling bit of the whole video. Her scientific ignorance and the mountains of arrogance where she starts condescending that she used to be like Eric and Thomas are just par for the course ... I would love to be able to sit her down and walk her through every mistake she made in the video, but I'd mostly like to focus her in on this point and ask why she holds such malice for those who are different from her and gauge the reaction.
Very honest of her. And Christlike ;-)
@@Beehj84 I am tired of people being falsely civil so I am not going to pretend here. This woman was extremely uneducated. I was amazed when she said she had "patients" Now, maybe she is more along the lines of an aide in which she couldn't do much damage, but there is NO WAY that woman got through any authentic college or university with the horrible grammar, lack of critical thought and logic and inability to understand science.
She works in the medical field and has NO clue about the evidence of "near death experiences?" She has no read one freaking Peer Review Journal or study on that topic? That is telling and scary! She works in the medical field and has NO CLUE about people being declared dead and that not being the case? She has NO idea about a coma? She even seems ignorant in micro preemies and is rude, arrogant and brainwashed enough to give a God the "glory" instead of a doctor who worked hard to save her child. Honestly, I would not expect someone this ... benighted to understand statistics.
The saddest part of that is that she doesn't understand her own illness. She got indignant about it and said she had "tried everything" which I can almost promise you she has not. Like the host said, you can get an fMRI, PET or even SPECT scan or have a DNA test that shows all the possibly issues you have, all the problems with metabolism of medications, etc. Try the new Ketamine therapy, just to mention one thing. This issues, sadly, is lack of education in the topics. Not to be mean., but some folks don't have the capacity to learn to a degree in which they'll truly be erudite in a topic.
I am tired of people like her continuing behaviors that harm people I care about. My patience has worn thin and I am not that worried about someone's butthurt on my opinion, especially when they are being purposefully obtuse in order to continue a intellectually dishonest and lazy POV! I do hope she seeks help from people who will use science and not God to help her. I would like to see her get better, as I would bet most people would want to see.
Sister Bless you for speaking your truth. Jesus Jesus Jesus. This is the only way to God
You seem to have missed the wink at the end of my comment.
funny. sheree said she was an atheist before. but the day her child was borne, she prayed to god...
theist always come with that same lie...
@@ardiberen agree. they don't know the difference between secular and atheist...
Theist don't mind lieing, as long as they think they're scoring god points.
She’s talking about 50 cent.
TheCommonKid lol she probably just made that shit up
Yooo lmao!! I started singing in da club😂
I thought the same thing. But I think she was off by one bullet
Right lol as soon as she said "he was shot 9 times" I was like c'mon now bruh that's 50 😂
“In a room I wasn’t in, some people did a thing I didn’t see and a person who was supposedly dead came back to life.” - proof of god
“My kids don’t believe I have anxiety (meaning she never prayed to get rid of her anxiety?)” - proof of god
It's funny how theists can accept that minor wounds and illnesses are healed by the human body or medical professionals, but as soon as it's on a larger scale it is God.
It's also peculiar that God never grows back a leg separated from the body...
Sarah Tonin I’m forever grateful and thankful for the team of medical professionals who took care of my baby and to every person who has ever donated blood, plasma...they saved my baby and I will never know who they are. No god needed.
how about those sick children who die every day while entire families and friends pray to a god to save them
But their reason always is, that now they're in a much better place. They have an answer for everything.
I have so many debates about this, like the almost 20,000 kids who die every single day around the world and third world countries who are 5 years of age or less from either starvation and or malnutrition. And their response always is, well they're going to go straight to heaven. So why did God make them go through a miserable 5 years of life and not just send them straight to heaven? surprisingly they didn't have an answer for that one LOL
@@paimannamazi1128 Why would they care,there not starving,Christian's can be very narrow-minded,they got there heaven card who cares about anyone else.
Andrzej Sawicki OT when a family dies in a tornado but a bible being found is a miracle. Gee, great a book is safe and a family dead. Isn’t god great. 😒
Andrzej Sawicki God’s being mysterious and we just don’t understand 😆😆😆😆😆
Sheree's anxiety medication appears to be anecdotes.
It's appointed unto man once to die and after that the Judgement. Just because you people follow your God the devil does not make God less true. It's really sad as to how people are destroyed and blind because they have no knowledge.
Donnell Edwards “ It’s appointed unto men to die once and after that the judgement “ ... lol... no, you’re wrong. That’s not true.. You are meant to join Thor and Odin in Valhalla after a brave battle. Everybody knows that. Sheree is so confused.
Shake off the dust from your feet as a testimony against them. When you open your eyes in eternity which will be your decision to make on Earth where you spend it. There will be no excuse for your sins. You will die in your sins if you don't believe that Jesus is the Christ. The spirit of antichhrist that dwells in you, is a liar. Your soul is at stake. Choose God now while it's still time.
I'm rejoicing because I'm being ridicule for Christ! What a wonderful Savior that we have in Jesus.
Satan I rebuke in the name of Jesus. There is no other name under heaven that men might be saved. I pray that someone reading this will come out of darkness and make a real grown man or grown woman decision to serve the one and true God.
WTF?
She has a 2 lb baby and the hospital is calling her to tell her, her baby has liver disease and "something else".
Wouldn't mum be at the hospital?
Wouldn't mum know what condition her baby has?
Delusional
Selective "facts" to support her story.
I am guessing it was jaundice.
So to sum up her baby was premature, very small, kept in hospital like most and recovered.
Didn’t you hear her? Her baby did a 360!
Yeah... That was the interesting part to me, as well. As soon as she said "the doctor called me", my mouth fell open. Both my kids were in the NICU for about four weeks after being born, and I stayed at the hospital 24/7. I didn't go home once. Granted, I was hospitalized, myself, after birth for about two weeks, but even then I went down there in my wheelchair every single day, several times a day (though my doctor protested). When I was discharged, I stayed there with both (separate occasions) afterwards until they were discharged, as well. I couldn't imagine going home; you couldn't force me.
How the hell could a mother leave her baby in the hospital like that? Not just that, but her DYING baby? Seriously?
Yikes.
Excellent call guys. You let her speak, she listened well, sort of. You planted a seed best you could, whether it takes root is another question.
@J. Dizzle and the evidence is what? Your just in case faith is really path2
Nah. She'll go back to her echo chamber bubble.
@J. Dizzle just gotta love the old homophobic, bigoted, religious lunatic! Mind you, all you are doing in 'parroting' your immoral joke of a god though. Keep up the good work though, I'm confident that every bigoted, homophobic remark costs religion 5 caring, compassionate individuals!
J. Dizzle if a fool can figure out there’s no god, what’s your excuse?
@Kibate bella, because i know anton and he is a mad lad whom i have seen done worse
When I was a Christian I witnessed an amazing miracle. But when I became more circumspect I went back and checked some details - not such a miracle after all.
Without wishing to be too unkind, if anyone wanted to x ray Sheree's brain, they would have to find one first.
My mother was told that my brother and I (who were both preemies and very sick) wouldn't live for 6 months. He's in his 40's and I'm nearly 40.
Pretty sure that's just how medicine goes, not actually a miracle.
Some people are just not cognitively able to have these conversations past the level of a juvenile. Sad but true.
So many people believe..... I think fear keeps them believing the BS
Yeah man, with some people, it doesn't matter how patient or kind you are, you just go in circles and it is one of *the most* annoying ways to waste time
I feel him inside of me no jokes too easy .
I died when she said that
then came back to life obviously!
The reason why it's a joke is because you don't know Him. Your God the devil has blinded your eyes so that you cannot see. You athiest people stop being Satan's puppet. He is going to lead you to everlasting destruction.
My sheep hear my voice a stranger they will not follow. The reason why you athiest devil worshipers can't feel or see Him, Is because you don't belong to Him. The good news is Hell don't have to be your finality.
@@donnelledwards7084 Check your butt maybe he's inside you too, get your head out of that fairy tale .
e 21st century @@donnelledwards7084 When is the last time you ran into a shepherd, come join us in the 21st century .
I was not raised Christian but my childhood was quite good.. I’ve never heard the word God in any situation of any consequence in my childhood.
her best evidences for god are youtube videos..... hahaha hillarious
She goes to church and she used you tube as a vehicle to get the truth out there. This is a wicked and perverse generation. Choose Jesus he's the only way to God point blank period. You don't need evidence that there is a God, look around you and see that His very existence is right in your face. Look at the birds, there are over 10,000 species of them 339 species of dogs. 250,000 species of fish. Should I go on. His visibile attributes speaks of His existence. Look at man we have no power to stop death. Nor do we have power to give life only God gives life. Life is in the blood. Accept Jesus Now for tomorrow will be too late.
@@@donnelledwards7084
dont make me laugh you god bothering idiot
@@tonybuk70 Makes one wonder how his deity must endow Noah with cutting-edge hammerspace technology to contain every single species on Earth.
@@donnelledwards7084 accept reality
@@donnelledwards7084 do you think God is down with all the priests raping children literally in his "house"
Working in healthcare for 43 years I know of no miracles that can’t be explained away by mere intervention and treatment.
Perhaps we should withdraw all the tubes and vents and pressors and get the hell out of God’s way.
I was in a coma and my family was told it might be better to just me go. of the two present one agreed but the other didn't. Here i am. if they let me die I've threatened to come back and haunt them.
I’ve worked as a medical social worker in a hospital and this is infuriating to me. Particularly when it comes to kids. Oh god loved you so much that he decided to save your child. And what? Fuck that other little kid? Who cares about that other kids suffering and the suffering of that family? What kind of god let’s any child die? Let alone for something as insignificant as your parent did fast or pray enough.
You're kids are right, Sharee. You made the claim, they're asking for evidence of your claim. Go see a doctor.
If I were standing in front of her and she was talking to me, I would do a 360 and walk away! Oh wait, Now I am right back in front of her, OH NO!
She had and has been diagnosed as she said in the video. Ffs wait until the person has stopped speaking before you assume things and go commenting, or at least go back and delete your comment when she mentions it.
Sheree is not comprehending at all what Eric is saying when he's talking about the science of depression meds
Lol I always love when they say “I use to be like you, I didn’t believe”. Yeah I call bullshit..
I don't call bullshit. Just because you don't believe doesn't mean you have good reasons not to believe. Most non-believers I know do not believe because "there are bad things in the world, therefore there is no god". This obviously discounts the possibility of an evil god, and absent god etc.
You are committing the no true scotsman fallacy. It is entirely possible for someone to have poor reasons to be an atheist. And having poor reasons to be an atheist makes you vulnerable to being converted by a slightly less poor (but still poor) reason to be a theist.
You calling bullshit on this shows your ignorance, and your illogical understanding of what is required to not believe in something, and so I would go as far as to say you are one of the people who are not an atheist on solid grounds.
My uncle was "dead" 3x in 1 week while in the ER.... no god just a defibrillator.
Hey
That defibrillator could be God...
If he can possess a burning bush in the Middle East, he can take up tenure in a medical machine
🤣
he wasn't dead
@@kenbee1957 ummm..... Ok so you rrreeeaaalllyyyy need to study up on the style of writing that the Bible uses so that you don't make comments like that in public. Unless your just being sarcastic?
@@louiscyfer6944 no he was dead like completely and for several minutes each time
MAYA EL
Yes
I was being sarcastic
My dad has been a firefighter for 30 years. He brings people back from the dead practically every week.
So he must be "God", and as his son, you must be Jesus. That's nice😁😁
If the caller didn't want to know anything about them why did she call them??
there is a correlation between madness and Christianity
@Master Ikem I don't enjoy demeaning anyone, but this woman is as smart as a bag of marbles.
I often wonder which came first.
Comparing something like depression to the existence of a deity is absurd. Depression IS measurable. The chemical imbalance inside your brain IS real, as real as any other emotions. The fact that she fails to notice this makes me doubt that she was ever a non-believer. No critical thinking at all.
And you display you have absolutely no critical thinking skills if you think you require critical thinking skills to be a non-believer. Plenty of people do not believe in a god on illogical grounds. Thinking that you have to have arrived at non-belief through critical thinking in order to be considered a non-believer is a no-true-scotsman fallacy.
"Minister lady" she already has violated her sacred book. Gotta love those buffet christians.
That person was actually a great caller. Level-headed, wanting to learn and listen, didn't get angry or upset, and was able to offer good ideas in concise manner.
And ended nicely.
A success. I hope she calls back, as it'd be great to here you explain a lot of things about DNA, genetic relation, evolution, abiogenesis, etc.
You all sound like my kids.... They sound like good kids... Best line ever
" i'm trying to answer his question... What did he say?"
I read your name as " dick viagra" and I thought " is there any other kind"
@@thecentralscrutinizer yeah, old joke but what can you do, use Richard? I have a son with that name, I WOULD GET CONTACTS FROM ALL HIS GIRL FRIENDS... WHY AM I TALKING TO YOU, LOL.
Thomas is simply epic. He's like the second coming of Lord Dillahunty. :-)
vaprex Kinda like if Dillahunty (very persistent focus) and AronRa (rational calm voice) were uncles to Nephew Thomas.
Agree. Found him smarmy at first but I like his persistence and (usual) calmness
I agree
Aren't/weren't they roommates?
@@c.guydubois8270 I know Thomas is currently Eric Murphy's (host of Talk Heathen) roommate.
THOMAS!!! I've watched your UA-cam channel for years and never knew you did talk heathen!!! Awesome!!
If I may sum up Sheree's beliefs: "When nothing bad was happening to me, I really couldn't be bothered to give a shit about the entire subject. But then something bad happened and I got scared so of course god!"
We're actually lucky to have people like Sheree, she allows us to study and understand how the earliest humans decided to worship the sun and moon and everything else they didn't understand. 🙄😒
This girl checked out from logic about 5 minutes in.......
That monitor behind you needs a higher refresh rate, it's really jarring seeing it flicker. As for the caller, they need a lesson in evidence.
It's a TV....
@@kenbee1957 it's a monitor
So God changed his divine plan bc you prayed and fasted? So if you only fasted, would that work? Does praying work alone? What's the recipe? 50/50? Would a little goat sacrifice spice it up? So God doesn't have a divine plan then.
Spicy goat
I'd change my Devine plan too if I were God
I really hate when the skill of medical professionals is attributed to god.
It's the sort of thing that makes you wish they didn't save lives...
The fact she said it was something she witnessed, and then her opening line is "so I didn't see this, I was out the room"
Clicked on this video and youtube showed me an ad from GodLife *LOL*
It's gonna be 2019 next year and people still have superstitions oh jeez when will this people get a grip?
"This people"??
Everything is a superstition really.
I think we'll always have idiots in this world. Its 2020 now and there's a shitload of flat earthers out there.
@@ericscaillet2232 Really? Everything? So me saying "I am experiencing the sensation of being alive right now." is a superstition?
My dad had 4 heart attacks in a very few hours. He had just left the hospital where he saw a doctor whose office was in the building. The doctors brought him back by shocking his heart. He lived many years because of the excellent medical care.
Love the program thanks
Now you know where the saying "Saved by the bell" came from... the more you know.
And the term "dead ringer", I thought.
Never made the connection with "saved by the bell". But yeah. 👍
Actually the term comes from boxing. While the graveyard bell situation was a real thing, it's not where the phrase comes from.
@@mr.mcbeavy1443 Comes from horse racing, not graveyards.
Matt D is my favorite on the Atheist Experience but Eric (I don’t know his last name) is becoming my favorite here. Keep up the good work.
My mother-in-law died at home. She saw 'people' in her room, besides us, because her brain was lacking oxygen and she was hallusimating, she was NOT seeing spirits!
This is so entertaining!
As an Atheist my entire life; I've always had a simple reply to miracle claims. 1. take a knife 2. cut off your left index finger 3. pray a lot 4 observe and record the miracle of regrowth. It's that easy .. :)
Let's change that to real faith,cut off a man's ding-a-ling and see it grow back,any religion person want to volunteer..
I can verify that there are actually intelligent, sane and rational people in Illinois. I KNOW this because I have been there and met them both.
I’ve been on antidepressants for about a year now. They have helped me tremendously. I couldn’t even get out of bed most days. Took like 3 months for them to take affect, but it 100% helped me manage. Oh and therapy. If you have access to therapy, start there.
Don't let others tell you getting help is a weakness. You're already braver than most
I really like Thomas, he manages to get his point across clearly and as softly as possible for the theists
"I don't want to know about you because you don't believe what I believe" Man, I hate people who use such dichotomous thinking!
Before you point out the contradiction, it was a joke.
So all the people who prayed for their child that died means?
suzette9999 it means god is mysterious and we can’t understand his ways. They always have an excuse for their god.
It's always interesting to see how at some point in a reasoned argument, Christians break down into condescending personal stories, as at 11:00 in this case.
So her cousin that supposedly died God brings back alive but can't heal her from depression lol
I have been called God many times whilst being inside a Woman
Regarding miracles about babies or people healing from incurable diseases, there are several factors to consider:
1) Often the doctor prepares the patient or the relatives of the patient for the worst possible scenario, something like "There's the possibility your baby won't make it", they have to do it because of informed consent, they might need to perform extreme procedures and extreme procedures require relatives/parents/patients to be fully aware of everything before accepting or, in case the chances are very very very low, they need to psychologically prepare a relative/patient properly. This often puts the relatives and/or the patient in a state of deep sorrow/depression/anxiety/despair and so on, and this is sometimes an irrational reaction (not blaming them, it's very hard to stay rational when a doctor tells you that you "COULD" die) because that "chance" becomes "certainty" in their mind, and when it doesn't happen (something that is entirely possible to happen naturally, the "chances" the doctor tells you are deduced from a collection of data of patients with similar cases. that doesn't mean your body will react the same way, outliers and particular cases EXIST, for both good and bad outcomes. There are people who die with a like 90% success rate for their cancer teraphy and people who survive with 7% rate, I wonder if God is there for the 90% success person too) they are convinced that something outside the very same medicine they were listening to happened (and therefore God);
2) Sometimes the doctor and the patient/relatives can completely misunderstand what the doctor says. This looks ridicolous but it happens sometimes, and so when they report their experience with the doctor they say something like "Doctor said I'm gonna die", but they don't die, therefore God;
3) Medicine itself is not infallible, wrong diagnosis and/or wrong approaches by the doctors are a possibility (luckily low but it will never be 0, since humans aren't perfect). Human error doesn't prove God, it just proves humans are not perfect, but hey, doctor said X, not X happened, therefore God.
4)
Spontaneous remission is often automatically considered a miracle or something "supernatural". Well folks, this might hurt a bit, but spontaneous remissions happen at a rate of 1 every 60.000 patients (more or less, depending from the type of disease, typically certain types of cancer, for some the spontaneous remission is more common, for others it's extremely more uncommon), while one of the highest possible autorithies of the christian religion on Earth, the Lourdes Sanctuary, among all the millions pilgrims that every year visit the place to heal from a disease with a miracle, bestows the desired miracle upon the lucky pilgrim at a rate of something like 1 every 200.000 to 1 every million pilgrims. Less efficient than a spontaneous remission/regression :)
5) Often in these cases people tend to consider their only personal experience, but if you just stop thinking about yourself and how much God loves you, for each "miracle" there are thousands of other people that die without hope every-fucking-day, maybe people with the same diagnosis too, and this is a fact. You are not special in this sense, get over it.
God might be something warm and reassuring to hug in moments of despair, but you are paying a very high price for that. Since warm and reassuring and also true stuff exists, I suggest sticking with that. God is unneeded and unnecessary to say the least. Cheers.
I like this host, Thomas Westbrook
Had to be God.
*Couldn't be doctors*
Also you can scan your brain and check for abnormalities. 🤦🏾♂️
She is lying about her stories. I have met people like this, low IQ, loud and a bully.
DB: Right. Why is it that those with the lowest IQ's are the ones who are the loudest?
@@anonymousjohnson976 Because the loud volume is meant to distract you from the fact that they they don't know jack shit about what they are talking about. It's a defense mechanism.
Right, low IQ = diarrhea of the mouth.
How can u KNOW that she’s lying? I personally have saw miracles myself that cannot explain. Know one knows everything!
IQ is not an accurate measure of intelligence so maybe next time say “low intelligence”. I doubt you went around asking the IQ of these people.
I had a co-pilot jebus freak who once said, as we were entering into a thunderstorm "let's do a 360 and get the hell out of here".
As an Atheist and skeptic I always have the same response for miracle claims and its so easy .... 1. Cut off your right index finger 2. Pray a lot. 3. Watch the miracle of regrowth. Thanks .. :)
shes lying about every story
Yep
Lying isn't a sin if it's to prove God, obviously
She skips over the part where she causes her child to be a premature due to her drug use, hence her need for a higher power and why she was not at her child’s crib when he was a newborn.
I loved when she started saying that she was raised just like the hosts, that she was raised to 'believe in nothing.'
dragonfly She saw on you tube, so it must be true! How gullible is she?
Prayer = flip a coin !
Miracles = a lucky break !
I am bi-polar and only got diagnosed when I was 50. I was prescribed medication and have never experienced any symptoms if my disorder since. I remain on the treatment now after 15 years and consider myself extremely fortunate that the medical science and technology has guven me a new lease on Life.
Everytime a theist says they use to be an atheist, but now they have god, they are actually confessing they stopped using logic and reason. The big question is why they stopped using logic and reason?
This lady claims she was an atheist and doesn’t know what epistemology is? 🤔
He was pronounced dead at the hospital.... ok... some medications used in resuscitation linger in the blood stream and will continue to work even after the heart stops.
Children suffer throughout the world , therefore god exists
These guys are too nice
2:23 How does she know *Thor* didn't answer her prayers.⚡. But he was just pissed off she was praying to the other God? 🤔
IF there was a god , why in the HELL would he come back for these IDIOTS ? lol
Any wonder it's a failing race?
I LOVE Thomas.
I, too, believe in Supernatural; especially Dean playing air guitar to 'Eye of the Tiger'
17 mins in she is cooking things in the microwave lol.
+Justin Copley Yup. Some people just want to rant.
Some how her fever cooked her brain how she got brainwashed is another miracle
10:14
I used to be just like you
Finds out her argument is a straw man
10:46
We are total opposites
Bravo!
Well that went really well.
Nothing like the ramblings of a theist.....