They need to make a trilogy server cluster where the first 3 games are independent from each other with the option to transfer to the next expansion should you want to. This would keep raids relevant for each expansion
The Runes were originally a great idea, but it became something that just doesnt really have much meaningful choice. Even you have 3-5 runes to choose from actually there is only 1 viable option most of the time. That is atleast true to the classes I play, shaman, pala, warrior
SoD took the class design and turned it into WOTLK/retail-lite. I think TWoW handles a classic+ best. All top specs remain unchanged and all meme specs were buffed and given a utility. Also, they added 1000 new quests and new zones that are amazing like the high elf starting zone.
Look man, I'm not asking for SL arcane mage or DF affliction madness. In the first place raiding is and shouldn't be the end all be all for a vanilla iteration of the game. But I WILL NOT go back to spamming ONE SINGULAR BUTTON THE WHOLE BOSS FIGHT for whatever comes after SoD, pressing frostbolt all fight or judgment every 10 seconds is worse brainrot than tiktok ffs, I don't believe that the classic fanbase is THAT decrepit to find that part good about vanilla.
@PollyCot you aren't the arbiter of classic. Believe it or not classic fans have diverse opinions. You can take your no true scotsman nonsense and touch grass
@@PollyCot Yup, I like most aspects of vanilla but because most PvE gameplay is tailored for Joe Biden's I have to let it go. How about you just F off and grow a second braincell.
@@PollyCot You can't sell me you seriously enjoy that, it's not exaggeration to say that most in fight PvE rotations could fit on a garage door opener.
I played EQ in 2002...that was my first experience in the mmorpg genre. I loved it and got addicted, but i was also playing Warcraft 3 later on, and although i loved the original game, my favorite game was footies, which was a fanmade map mod within Warcraft 3. I played that until my fingers bled. I was playing all those games, and i was an EQ andy, so i resisted playing WoW when it came out, but a friend of mine from EQ got me to sub. Ever since that time, I have been addicted to WoW. When they came out with WoW classic in what was it? 2019? I was excited all over again....I literally forgot why i was just now, explaining my past....anyway, those were good times.
I like how era has been around for years now and was dead majority of the time besides the few months hardcore was popping and now but people would have you thinking era been super populated for all these years lol
im pissed that i didnt copy my character when classic ended... that should have been a free thing IMO. i would pay for it now if it were still possible... just give us classic + thats what most people want im sure. SOD isnt even the same.
You dont have to push other game modes down to prop your preferred version up. Vanilla is my favorite version too but I do get tired of the lack of mystery, lack of viable specs/classes, and lack of new content. Im playing SoD for that reason. Devs went way too far with changes to classes imo. Only minor adjustments were needed to classes to be viable. All other dev time should have been spent on new content like quests, zones, and dungeons/raids. Pvp events were a waste of time. Class balancing due to too many runes was wasted time. Level caps with level up raids was a waste of time.
I agree. That goes for all things life. I've known people where the only way they could give someone a compliment was through putting someone else down... In some ways though, like games, you only really learn to appreciate what you like in one version when you lose it from playing another version
yeah Staysafe is just like any content creator reaction andy where they are so caught up with their own biases and ego that they feel compelled to talk down other versions. Now I understand there's data that shows rising and declining but the whole "this server is a flop" is too much of an exaggeration because you can go to places like Page in Cata Classic and there's a lot of people playing and doing endgame. The thing about the various flavors of WoW is that there are dedicated audiences for each one and the population would always be in flux depending on patch releases and content drought. I think whats most important here is that people still are playing WoW, no matter what version they're sticking into.
They're just trying to push engagement and content. To hype up the new hot thing and drive a viewer count. Play what you want, don't fall for the constant hustle
Mark my words, when these new expansions are done blizz is gonna relaunch wow. They have to, and why wouldnt they read the room. Make wow the way it was supposed to be, make vanilla new and plus it up from there. Boom just solved all your problems blizz.
Problem with gauging interest in fresh by these rerolls is a lot of people just wont play em. Me and my friends want fresh but wont play this stuff, we will just play other stuff until a real fresh comes
Classic fresh should happen a couple months after War Within maybe. But I don't think it shares the same player base. Lots of people I've met on SoD specifically don't like retail at all.
My guild in sod doest care for cata nor retail. We all enjoy classic era, but have felt it's gotten boring. I tried leveling an alt on classic era, and i couldn't really bring myself to care. It might be because i stsrted the character soon affer leveling my main to 60. sod at least has differences while also being in classic era zones.
Sounds fun to start fresh but I've got an active guild with lots of friends in. I'd only do it if they all did it too and that won't happen unless it's a forced fresh by blizzard blizzard :(
I just came back to wow after 10 years. I thought blizzard was doing some peak Activision shit and charging $15/month/version so if you were playing retail, classic, and hardcore you were paying $45/month. I'm glad that wasn't the case but it was a real thought
SoD turned me off immediately with the changes, unsubbed and never looked back. Now a classic fresh gets me rock hard and ready to resubb for the 100th time in 20 years
I would absolutely play Hardcore Fresh. It's been almost a year and it was one of my most fun experiences in WoW. Maybe they could make Hardcore Fresh TBC servers.
They need to make a trilogy server cluster where the first 3 games are independent from each other with the option to transfer to the next expansion should you want to. This would keep raids relevant for each expansion
The Runes were originally a great idea, but it became something that just doesnt really have much meaningful choice.
Even you have 3-5 runes to choose from actually there is only 1 viable option most of the time. That is atleast true to the classes I play, shaman, pala, warrior
All i want is fresh classic 😩
i just keep playing my same characters on classic era realm off and on . its great. but i would love a new fresh classic server.
SoD took the class design and turned it into WOTLK/retail-lite. I think TWoW handles a classic+ best. All top specs remain unchanged and all meme specs were buffed and given a utility.
Also, they added 1000 new quests and new zones that are amazing like the high elf starting zone.
Look man, I'm not asking for SL arcane mage or DF affliction madness.
In the first place raiding is and shouldn't be the end all be all for a vanilla iteration of the game.
But I WILL NOT go back to spamming ONE SINGULAR BUTTON THE WHOLE BOSS FIGHT for whatever comes after SoD, pressing frostbolt all fight or judgment every 10 seconds is worse brainrot than tiktok ffs, I don't believe that the classic fanbase is THAT decrepit to find that part good about vanilla.
@@k9tirion927 Then don't play. There's this game called Retail that might fit your preference.
@PollyCot you aren't the arbiter of classic. Believe it or not classic fans have diverse opinions. You can take your no true scotsman nonsense and touch grass
@@PollyCot Yup, I like most aspects of vanilla but because most PvE gameplay is tailored for Joe Biden's I have to let it go.
How about you just F off and grow a second braincell.
@@PollyCot You can't sell me you seriously enjoy that, it's not exaggeration to say that most in fight PvE rotations could fit on a garage door opener.
that music at the end always hits me in the feels its hard to belive im 35 years old and i first played wow when i was 14
I played EQ in 2002...that was my first experience in the mmorpg genre. I loved it and got addicted, but i was also playing Warcraft 3 later on, and although i loved the original game, my favorite game was footies, which was a fanmade map mod within Warcraft 3. I played that until my fingers bled. I was playing all those games, and i was an EQ andy, so i resisted playing WoW when it came out, but a friend of mine from EQ got me to sub. Ever since that time, I have been addicted to WoW. When they came out with WoW classic in what was it? 2019? I was excited all over again....I literally forgot why i was just now, explaining my past....anyway, those were good times.
I like how era has been around for years now and was dead majority of the time besides the few months hardcore was popping and now but people would have you thinking era been super populated for all these years lol
I’m having an absolute blast in classic cata. There isn’t much to do outside raids. But that’s all I need
Im having a blast and I rarely do multi player content. Just farm for wow tokens.
Of course with the amount of times "Fresh" is said, that old Daft Punk song pops in to my head.
People are so against the new guild tab in Era, but no1 is missing the old Honor System
im pissed that i didnt copy my character when classic ended... that should have been a free thing IMO. i would pay for it now if it were still possible... just give us classic + thats what most people want im sure. SOD isnt even the same.
You dont have to push other game modes down to prop your preferred version up. Vanilla is my favorite version too but I do get tired of the lack of mystery, lack of viable specs/classes, and lack of new content. Im playing SoD for that reason. Devs went way too far with changes to classes imo. Only minor adjustments were needed to classes to be viable. All other dev time should have been spent on new content like quests, zones, and dungeons/raids. Pvp events were a waste of time. Class balancing due to too many runes was wasted time. Level caps with level up raids was a waste of time.
I agree. That goes for all things life. I've known people where the only way they could give someone a compliment was through putting someone else down... In some ways though, like games, you only really learn to appreciate what you like in one version when you lose it from playing another version
yeah Staysafe is just like any content creator reaction andy where they are so caught up with their own biases and ego that they feel compelled to talk down other versions. Now I understand there's data that shows rising and declining but the whole "this server is a flop" is too much of an exaggeration because you can go to places like Page in Cata Classic and there's a lot of people playing and doing endgame.
The thing about the various flavors of WoW is that there are dedicated audiences for each one and the population would always be in flux depending on patch releases and content drought. I think whats most important here is that people still are playing WoW, no matter what version they're sticking into.
They're just trying to push engagement and content. To hype up the new hot thing and drive a viewer count. Play what you want, don't fall for the constant hustle
Blah blah blah lol vanilla is clearly the most popular right now@@atelierbagur3831
Cringe take. I'm not gonna tell you how to talk
Mark my words, when these new expansions are done blizz is gonna relaunch wow. They have to, and why wouldnt they read the room. Make wow the way it was supposed to be, make vanilla new and plus it up from there. Boom just solved all your problems blizz.
I’d love vanilla with arenas and no OP consumables like tbc
Problem with gauging interest in fresh by these rerolls is a lot of people just wont play em. Me and my friends want fresh but wont play this stuff, we will just play other stuff until a real fresh comes
Holy smokes the blackrock mountain stuff. 100% trve and based!
SOD's population just went back up, layers are back and the AH listings have more than doubled.
Lmao layers
well no shit the new phase just started
Classic fresh should happen a couple months after War Within maybe. But I don't think it shares the same player base. Lots of people I've met on SoD specifically don't like retail at all.
My guild in sod doest care for cata nor retail. We all enjoy classic era, but have felt it's gotten boring. I tried leveling an alt on classic era, and i couldn't really bring myself to care. It might be because i stsrted the character soon affer leveling my main to 60.
sod at least has differences while also being in classic era zones.
prolly woulda never played classic if not for sod sooooooo
Cata's felt great, the only issue i have is that all i do is raid log and then play hc
Well, maybe everyone is thinking about this way too hard.
Cata was a very hated expac, so now it drops, and people are leaving it again.
Sounds fun to start fresh but I've got an active guild with lots of friends in. I'd only do it if they all did it too and that won't happen unless it's a forced fresh by blizzard blizzard :(
Just made my troll mage last night on DD. Excited for a nice fresh run.
I didn't even know cata-classic was out! I thought it was still in beta...
I just came back to wow after 10 years. I thought blizzard was doing some peak Activision shit and charging $15/month/version so if you were playing retail, classic, and hardcore you were paying $45/month. I'm glad that wasn't the case but it was a real thought
4 weeks of "guaranteed fun" is a bit of a stretch.
I cleared ST each lockour for 3 weeks, spammed dungeons and events but quit during week 3.
Layers lmao
SoD turned me off immediately with the changes, unsubbed and never looked back. Now a classic fresh gets me rock hard and ready to resubb for the 100th time in 20 years
I said that before cata classic, just end it at wrath and start over for all on the 20th anniversary.
Death = petri... That isn't hardcore.
I would say p4 has a good 6 weeks of life in it. The amount of content in p4 at 60 is way bigger than any other phase obviously.
Why does he pronounce deviate delight incorrectly on purpose?
SOD: season of disappointment
I would absolutely play Hardcore Fresh. It's been almost a year and it was one of my most fun experiences in WoW.
Maybe they could make Hardcore Fresh TBC servers.
it's time to return to monke
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The devs probably care about their job as much as you care about your job. Let it sink in....
Is something the matter with your mouth in which you cannot pronounce “deviate” without it sounding like “defiant?”
they are such amateurs