"Nanny State!" Julia Hartley-Brewer Challenges Tory MP Over Voting For Smoking Ban
Вставка
- Опубліковано 16 кві 2024
- TalkTV's Julia Hartley-Brewer challenges Conservative MP Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown after Rishi Sunak’s ban on youngsters smoking clears first Commons hurdle.
MPs voted 383 to 67, majority 316, to give the Tobacco and Vapes Bill a second reading.
The legislation, seen by the Prime Minister as a key part of his long-term legacy, would make it illegal to sell tobacco products to anyone born after January 1 2009, with the aim of creating a “smoke-free” generation.
It does not criminalise current smokers, but is aimed at preventing the harms caused by smoking, the leading causes of preventable illness and death in the UK.
Conservative MPs were given a free vote on the Bill, meaning those who voted against the Government’s position will not face punishment.
Julia says: "You don't believe in freedom of personal choice".
#smokingban #vapes #juliahartleybrewer #talktv
Click here for more from TalkTV talk.tv
If you need any help visit: talk.tv/helplines
Politicians say you cant smoke, but they are perfectly happy to let you go and fight for them and die in a war they caused. Insanity.
This lady so called lol ..lies
red herring fallacy
Reminds me of Ukraine. They made most people second-class citizens because of a bad cold going around, then they go and force the men to be their meat shields on a battlefield. These politicians think it's right that the government has ownership of the people.
Freedom of choice ?????....Abolish the TV licence !!
Yep and directly fund the BBC form general taxation.
Might have to stick 0.025p on to income tax but there you go. Nothing in life comes for free.
You have a choice with the TV licence 🙄
@DanielTheWaveyDavey
Exactly! 😂
Although, to be fair, the opt-out system for the TV License does need to be modernised.
People should be allowed to determine the course of their own lives without the nanny state dictating what they can or cannot do with their bodies.
If they want to ban smoking due to the harm it causes, then maybe the British public should put a ban on the tories and labour, and whilst we're at it, the WEF.
Add talk TV and the rest to that list and we've got a deal.
Yes because the country is in fine fettle after over a decade of the tories
both the afore mentioned are detrimental our health and the future of this country
Yeah and they are probly smoking there heads off a lot of them….think Covid.
@@stephendarlison8140 mate, smoking, drugs, government, alcohol, and the biggest one, food.
The irony they want to give votes to 15 year olds, but hey, you cannot decide if you want a cigarette or not. Why not ban the internet to under 16 year olds, that will save far more many lives!
It is never about what they say it's about. It opens the door to the authoritarians. Of course it will be for your own good.
Eddy Grant "For every bad move that Johanna makes, she has a good explanation
So true..... Freedom of choice is freedom of choice. By the sounds of this legislature, if you were born after 2009 and you want to take up smoking (Not sure why after that amount of time) it would be illegal for you to buy them or for any other adult to buy them for the individual.... That is literally removing their choice to do what they want to do with their health and life..... Vape pens, are just as bad or as worse as cigarettes, yet they won't be banned..... The complete irony and hypocrisy of it is ridiculous....
Yeah, they won't even let them take heroin. Total nanny state.
@@AdeboFunkyVoodoo What’s heroin got to do with it? Is that the best you can do?
@@AdeboFunkyVoodoo way to try and Segway it away from the topic. But yes Impo if a fully grown adult wants to take heroin, they can carry on, it's their life...... 🤷
If your going to ban smoking because of the bad health effects you've got to ban alcohol.
Yes still smoking can harm the person stand next to cos they also will breath the cigarette but alcohol is not like that .
Never it's been brought to light countless times in attempts to legalise cannabis
@@jcangel2012 have you worked on the doors like I have? I've seen many people under the influence harm the person standing next to them, foolish statement
@jcangel2012 but smokers are banned from smoking indoors in public spaces. Fair enough.
But then complain about smokers smoking outdoors. That doesn't stack up to me.
I'll give you a for instance.
Sitting outside a coffee shop smoking. I get it that someone doesn't want to sit next to someone smoke. At that point the non smoker has a choice. They can move. The irony to that is that they move to a place that's far more dangerous and that's car fumes. But that's fine is it. For me it's all about people moaning for the sake of it. Personally from what I've experienced is this predominantly comes from the middle classes and above. And yet these are the people that have in house wood burning fires that are illegal in a built up areas and bad for the eco system. Ozone layer etc etc.
I agree, alcohol should be banned next
The tories are finished. WEF PUPPETS.
All of the party's are WEF puppets...
Obesity, estimated to cause more than 30,000 preventable deaths each year. It’s not just junk food, it’s the portion sizes, so are you going to start rationing our food too?
Wouldn't surprise me.
They already are smaller portuons for alot higher prices and with alcohol raising the price so people just cant afford to drink as much and i can now only see them hitting alcohol harder that kills far more a year than even smoking
Probably,in time.
Today tobacco, tomorrow cakes, sweets, alcohol, free speech, wait a minute that went a while ago
Not long ago the FSA chair said that bringing cake into work was as bad as passive smoking! Some people are determined to eliminate all pleasures from life.
I expect that everyone has forgotten that you can smoke in the bars of Westminster! Rules for thee but not for me! Hypocrisy of the highest order!
Such a hypocrite many more people die every year due to alcohol related problems than smoking related. Obviously he's a drinker not a smoker
I mean that's actually incorrect but thanks for taking part
So stupid!
Alcohol is a social drink...smoking is not social by any means other than locational disposition.
red herring fallacy
Let adults be adults and let markets be free markets. We have enough petty rules in this country.
Also this is a sign that cannabis in uk will NEVER be legal.
This is a strange nation. There's at least one cannabis cafe in England entirely supported by the local police.
@purpledeflector904 I heard about that teeside place if that's what your on about but it's not a place for it to be sold only smoked and I still wouldn't trust it lol
Unfortunately there's one word that will always describe the British through it'd government.
Prude!
A big part of what it is to be British
..looking down on the decisions of others.
Thank god
@@zenout3463 aww another triggered plant hater.
Doesn’t like a ban on a conference but loves a ban on cigarettes nice to see a man whimsically choose which freedoms to defend
I don’t smoke but I wouldn’t ban it. It’s a free country……… supposedly
This man is a bloody hypocrite.
Ask the question he is afraid of, at least 90% of the price of cigarettes IS TAX, that tax will be put on to other products, what products?
Whatever happened to my body my choice 🤣
If young people can get illegal hard drugs - pretty sure they can get stuff sold in shops.
There is more serious issues in this country, like Islamist protest marches. Useless politician's ignoring what we the tax payers actually want fixing, like illegal immigration.
Really! There's nothing more important to be getting on with ?
This guy, absolute hand pump
What ever happened to the freedom of this country.. how dare they think they can personally choose for me or anyone else. 😠
Thank god the Tory life expectancy limited.
Where will the government get the £10,000,000,000 a year it currently collects in tax revenue from tobacco products in the future I wonder?
By saving a significant portion of 16bn it spends on tobacco related illnesses within the NHS.
@@SimonPeeldon't use logic on these people it upsets them!!
Partly in theory by having a lot less people unwell/ unfit /off sick/ and or needing long term hospitalization due to smoking related illness. But yes, New Zealand have already had this same generation ban, and have since reversed it due to the lack of tax revenue lost as a direct result of that ban.
1984 ring any bells.
Can not stand being told what I can and can not do by jumped up politicians in authority over us….they think.
@@SimonPeel The figure you are looking for is £2.4bn spent on smoking related NHS care. Which, when compared to alcohol or obesity care spending is trivial.
Ban alcohol and fat people next I assume you will be voting for in the hope of "saving" the NHS?
Utterly ridiculous. Especially as smoking taxes pay for the NHS 30 times over every year
I love Britain, especially the freedoms we used to have.
The incoming Starmer regime will not repeal this, they're only going to accelerate the removal of what little freedoms you have left. It's just as well all the country's problems have been solved by our excellent, hard-working MPs so as to free up all the thousands of hours spent debating tobacco legislation. I give up.
In fact I gave up and left years ago. Best thing I ever did!
As much as I dislike smoking ( ex smoker) it’s nobody’s business if someone chooses to smoke drink etc etc nobody has the right to dictate!! The country is in the crapper yet there banging on about smoking!🤦♀️ another yes man!!
Tory government out , snp government out as well. Nanny state...😊
Let's ban all things that may do us harm.....get lost government, leave us alone!
I agree there shouldn't be a ban, but let's look at the evidence. When it comes to smoking it's not "may" do you harm, it's "will" do you harm. There is no healthy way to smoke or a way of smoking that somehow mitigates the harmful effects. Smoking is the only legal thing you can do that will injure you by doing it properly.
You dont infringe on others freedom.
@@20quidhow do you drink alcohol properly without it causing harm? Even a small amount if taken regularly can cause damage. Let people decide for themselves.
Ban the Government - it's doing more harm than smoking and drinking combined !
It sad because this isn’t something we want of need it’s not even our priority in politics
Didn't the Dutch bin this law?
What difference would it make if they did? That would be their law in their country. New Zealand passed a similar law. Different countries do what they want.
I used to smoke & now think it is a stinky bad habit but I think people should have the choice & the money they rip off from the smokers will come from taxes on other things & it will also open up another black market for the gangs. Drugs are illegal but you can get them anywhere in the country. Prohibition doesn’t work & never will. Guns are illegal but people still seem to be able to get them. I think the government should concentrate on heroin dealers & gun smugglers. Allow people to buy cigarettes & vapes if they want but only if they have ID & close shops that sell to children & also give them a heavy fine or prison 🏴
Ban smoking, tax shortfall, then excuse to put pension ages even further back or remove altogether!
And long term reduction of the NHS and benefits Bill!
@@seanjones180
alcohol cost 3.5 billion a year and then an estimated 21 billion more per year cost to society.
Smoking costs the NHS 2.5 billion a year and none from society.
Obesity costs the NHS 6.5 billion a year
harm from illegal drug use costs £10.7bn. These include costs associated with deaths and crime.
Alcohol cost more to the NHS and society then smoking illegal drug use and obesity dose.
@@seanjones180 Smokers contribute more than they take overall from taxes and savings due to life expectancy.
@@barryscott1756 where's your figures for the benefit bill given approx 289000 people are out of work due to smoking related illness...?
@@seanjones180 smoke related illness doesn't mean just smokers tho means people who choose to smoke and have underline health conditions but still choose to smoke you know like obese people.
This is not going to work , in regard to the fact that adults over 21 will be restricted of personal choice . No one can deny smoking has a negative effect on heath as does alcohol but adults are capable of making that choice themselfs . Where are parents in regard to this issue ,police your children and don’t leave it the government .
A PM who doesnt smoke or drink alcohol but wants to dictate what we can or cannot do, nanny state is here and nothing will change after the next election.
I’m genuinely more concerned about the people forced to live on our streets!
Then this ridiculous smoking ban!
Surly living on the streets poses a high risk of death and illness compared to smoking cigarettes!
Most people on the street choose to live there our country is one of the best and the most help to help people but if they don't want to be helped there is nothing else that can be done
A single life does not trump individual freedom. We heard all that from the socialists who claimed the saving of one life was worth any cost.
Why are they not campaigning to legalise cannabis?
Because the smell of it is disgusting and people like fresh air
They should be. We can do it anyway but it sure would be handy to just pop to the shops to buy it or grow your own plant. It grows straight out of God's soil without chemicals needed, who is anyone to tell us we can't enjoy it. Its been used as medicine for thousands of years.
@@deanjames2476some people don't wash and stink without smoking do you want to ban them from public life? Get over yourself, seriously.
@@deanjames2476poor baby.
@@deanjames2476Ban things because it smells? Can I ban people in public who don't use deodorant, they stink too
How about banning fluoride in the water ,how about finding out what they put into processed food all the chemicals ,how about cancelling just eat and all the junk food .
Smoke yes but please do not require all the people to pay for the cancer treatment!
They wouldn't ban people from smoking because adults can vote
What next,alcohol? On come on come on. NO,we’re serious,once you start down the slippery slope,it never stops.
I think it will faze itself out ,it's not seen as cool and rebellious anymore.
I actually do think some drugs should be legal and regulated. This is a country where hard working tax payers should be allowed a cigarette, or a spliff after work. And an alcoholic drink. Only one of those three i mentioned actually causes anti-social behaviour but i think it should be legal. Life is about experience not about living as long and perfectly as possible. If you want to legislate a population to be your idea of "perfect" go to north korea.
Make anything illegal it will make it more inviting to youngsters. They will get them anyway
its the principal, banning it for a certain age is more autocratic than banning it for everyone, not only is it an imposition on the freedom of choice its also an imposition of a double standard between adults of different ages.
its not even slightly comparable to the seatbelt.
The same could be said for sugar or alcohol why are they deciding on our future they work for the people and its the people that should be voting on this not the mps.
They thought long and hard but the cigarette companies money was two appealing. 😂
I keep hearing the media talk about how much smoking costs the NHS, but they never mention how much revenue smoking brings the country/ NHS. Have yous seen the price of cigarettes and tobacco? £40 for 50g £14 for 20 cigarettes
When are they going to ban alcohol, that causes more problems
It doesn't
Get rid of the Lords as well..😊
Will they be banning DRINKING too. Wines, spirits and cans are front and centre on open shelves at every supermarket and corner shop.
if we were in a free society then you can not ban smoking, however our muslim.hindu leaders now run our country-drinking will be next
I live in Erdington Birmingham and we have many Eastern European shops. When walking down the High Street you are offered cheap tobacco and cigarettes, this ban will not work. Why didn't they ban knives, illegals and cocain
When smoking was for 16 and up i was 11 when i started so making it illegal never worked at all we just got people older to buy it, has raising the legal age for drinking stopped under 18 from drinking no.
As a left wing person, I find this ridiculous! We should 100% educate people on the harmful effects of smoking etc and restrict it from children but to ban adults from smoking cigarettes is utterly insane.
So what's next banning obesity. 🤣
They have obviously been told to wheel the seat belt line out, what they fail to see is there is NO comparison. If there was they wouldn’t be able to even buy the car!
Wait for huge tax rises next to cover the short fall, then alcohol limits!
Up to the 90s people would have been astounded if the government tried to ban smoking for adults. There was still a genuine widespread belief that the government had nothing to do with your personal life choices. Governments are so insidious that we often don’t see the constant creep to a more authoritarian society but it is the only way a government can keep growing. Therefore it’s the nature of government to destroy itself in the end.
We’ve been in a nanny state for decades…if we weren’t cocaine would be sold in pharmacies by license holders ,instead of human trafficking, county lines,that use kids to ply their trade.
In summary prohibition just sucks…and causes the majority of crime nowadays ✌️
Ban smoking for people who are 15 now.... Isn't the age limit there for that exact reason? How does this stop underage smoking and the age ban doesn't??
Makes me wanna go out and buy some disposable vapes
At this rate make the government panic. Everyone ring in and say I'm not coming to work. Let the country go on strike altogether. Soon you won't be allowed to drink, have parties, go on holidays, treat yourselves or your family. At 18, adult age... We have a right to chose when we earn the money to pay for it.
If everyone stopped smoking is everyone happy with higher taxes ?
You have more chance ov stopping the boats !!! 😅😅😅😅
Vestey!! Safe pair of hands. Why on earth do these people assume we cannot see what this will usher in!!
It’s utterly absurd to think at some point a 50 year old will be too young to enjoy a cigar.
Get a grip rishi !
What difference does it make by banning them buying disppsable vapes to non disposable vapes??
The cons are utter useless
I feel there should be more focus on children using drugs , gas canisters etc the damage they are doing to themselves and the cost to NHS . ..
There's a real discrepancy in the price of a smoke these days.
If you smoke cigars you only have to spend less than £1 (a single cigar) to get your fix.
If you smoke straight cigarettes you have to spend at least £9 for a pack of 20 and with 'cigarillos' which are really just disguised cigarettes, about £5 for a pack of 10.
Yet if you smoke roll your own and buy tobacco the smallest amount you can buy is 30 grams which will cost at least £18.
Hes wrong about the seat belts, in certain circumstances they can harm and the campaigners of this have never gone away. Also if we all agreed that they were great, why are there so many fines handed out for not wearing them each year
More people die of drinking alcohol in the UK
Seat belts should be optional too
Only a fool would compare enjoying a cigarette with wearing seatbelts!
I think MP'S shouldn't be payed as much as they are.
Completely support this bill I had to watch my mother died painfully of lung cancer and if this prevents even one person from having to go through that, it’ll be worth it.
Sometimes we need a nanny state .
Just get multi packs of 200 or 400 shipped to your home address every few weeks from abroad and say their for your mum or dad! Job done you silly billy Tories
twins will be born one day apart and one can smoke and one cant hahaha
He is full of bull
Fear of death will send us down a path thats much worse.
Weird how the government ALLOWS all the ultra processed fooe and chemically produced foods to be sold and consumed by the public,which is affecting health rapidly. It’s all nonsense!
It's more than a little creepy how all of these older non-smokers seem obsessed with getting young people addicted to something that will likely kill them.
Better stock up on the home brew kits!
I think this is a way of introducing I.D for everyone.
Insane how this government practically legalises harmful soft drugs but bans tobacco and vaping. Sounds ultra lift and woke.
Thats not what woke means, stop using words incorrectly
It's not a nanny state - it's an authoritarian state. Big, big difference that should not be played down. Pathetic Tories.
People seem to really struggle to discren the difference between worthwhile objectives and authoritarian mandates, as if you now have to mandate everything, boss people around, threaten them with the law if the don't do what you want.
Is she ok!
Freedom?….you might want to look into the law just passed that if you don’t register your one backyard chicken by October it’s a potential 6 months in prison or £5000 fine. Whilst a teenager stabbed someone in the head and was just asked to write a letter of apology 🤷🏻.
How about sorting out the immigration instead
The nanny state as arrived
@anthonyrichardson4761 The nanny state arrived in1997.
@boota1979 well said Blair should be in jail
It arrived a long time ago
Did anyone see his face when she said lets ban alcohol hypocrite he is
Vote Reform
Irony of someone who wants stop people going into the station thru want if they aren’t doing anything wrong
They wont ban drinking cos its their god
Some people, like myself, use cigs/vapes as coping methods. If people weren’t able to choose them, which actually keeps a person sane and sober, they will turn to harder things that they can get easily - alcohol anyone?
I've never been a smoker - hate it. But I like to race dirt bikes, mountain bikes, etc. Almost killed myself a few times (once was actually clinically dead for 30 seconds before they bought me back).
But I'm totally allow to do those things. It's weird that dangerous sporting people like me are allowed to kill ourselves with things we like to do, but smokers aren't...
By the way, that doesn't mean i want smoking in airplanes, etc... But in someone's own home, etc?...
You mean the Turkish mayor of Brussels who used armed police to shut down a conference of people who object to millions of islamist fighters invading Europe?