Yoda is the most situational unit in the game. So in battlefront 2, lasers do not travel through water, but lightsabers do. The two conquest maps that Yoda is playable on are Kashykk and Dagobah. Kashykk and dagobah both have large bodies of water as center points of the map. Yoda does not take drown damage and is short enough to be completely submerged in water. This means that in conquest: YOU CAN CAMP UNDERWATER AND ANKLE BITE PEOPLE TO DEATH WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT THEM SHOOTING YOU
There was nothing more terrifying than turning around to see Maul bearing down on you in a sprint. That double bladed onslaught was nigh impossible to recover from.
You were lucky not to be turned into hamburger meat if you got hit with that Propeller Strike No Jutsu even as a relatively tanky unit that was barely grazed.
Fun fact, on assault on the Mos Eisley map, you can, as Yoda, get on top of the cantina, and in the right spot, you can crouch and clip into the roof and become unkillable. This has absolutely zero strategic value, but it is hilarious to watch AI Jango and Boba Fetts try to shoot at you and fail miserably as their shots hit the roof.
One note in regards to Yoda: on kashyyyk and dagobah, he can hide in the water to make himself immune to blaster shots, add force pull into the mix (if it works, which it mostly doesn't) and you've got a killer combo.
Yeah, Yoda should probably be higher by a tier or two, if only because of how broken his height can be if you get creative. It comes with a lot of downsides, but people aren’t used to aiming at him, looking for him, etc.
Fun fact, although most lightsaber wielders have 3 attacks they cycle through. Darth Maul actually has a 4th attack, if you attack three times, but hold the attack button down on the last attack, you do a little lighstaber spin behind you, that also hits units
Yesss I was hoping someone else discovered that combo. I would use the spinkick variant as often as possible because even if they are just bots, I can imagine dying from a kick to the chin as opposed to the perfectly viable laser staff I am holding, must be humiliating even in Binary.
The best way to use Dooku and the emperor is to start choking someone then switch to force lightning in order to quickly dispatch them. This combo works best with the emperor.
One thing people don't know about dooku is you can do force choke while holding the switch button to do force choke and lightning at the same time. Same thing with sidious. Also, darth maul has an extra saber spin if you hold down the button at the end of his basic combo
Was in a PS2 online dueling clan back in the day. This is a pretty accurate list. Aayla wasn’t used as much because double force pulls were banned, but it’s fun to see someone break down these old school characters in a modern format. Also, darth Vader is in the correct tier, but he also has a massive health pool, maybe second to Chewie. It makes it so he can survive combo chains and break out with back slashes. Really fun list I’m excited to see what mechanics and exploits make it to the remake
I used to be in a clan too. Do you remember LSJ? I used to go by "LSJ Lost". Some of my favorite gaming memories came from Mos Eisley heroes vs villains
@@JWE_ I can’t remember! I think I was 12-14 at the time - I went by (something) Batman - I think our clan went by superhero gamer tags! LSJ sounds super familiar though?!
I've been playing it since it was released in 2005 and I honestly never really stopped. Had it on the original Xbox, CD and now Steam! Easily one of my favorite Star Wars games of all time!
Got my ass kicked by dudes with the vVv clan tag as a kid; log in now and to my surprise that damn clan is still active and still kicks my ass! Ah, the good old days...
Real ones remember Grievous being awful as both a teammate and an ally. His combos would cc both of yall, and Grievous would walk into a room swinging on anything that moved, only making things worse.
This is why I'm surprised seeing him this low. He has a wide range and was one of the characters I found the easiest to stun lock enemies with and do crowd control with. His charge attack, if done correctly, could practically kill someone at full health. The hitbox animation was completely OP, especially the finisher animation on his attack cycle (where he uses his 4 arms), which was one of the strongest finishers, in my opinion. It would play out even as you died, meaning you could often get a final hit in that would deal good damage or even kill the enemies from beyond the grave (this could happen with other heroes aswell, but due the long animation of Grevious attack it appears to happen more consistently and for characters to be caught in the hitbox). I found Grevious to be a decent high pressure character with a wide attack combo. Yet, a slow character like Darth Vader that was basically demolished in any scenario where he was outnumbered and hardly ever useful outside of a 1v1 is near top tier
Grievous works well in tight spaces like the corridors on the Tantive IV. Palpatine works best on the Death Star and in the Jedi Temple because there are lots of vantage points for him to drop down on select targets or small groups. Yoda's a good tank buster, and good for taking out snipers on the bridge on Kashyyyk. I personally would rank Mace lower because his attacks tend to leave him wide open, you may as well just spam saber throw with him.
Grievous is way better if you just forget about using his sprint attack. It's a bit counterintuitive because he moves so far forward. You can hit an enemy, but it doesn't do a ton of damage, so you'll just have to circle back and finish them off, which takes too much time because he's gonna be too far away by the end of his sprint. Usually I will sprint towards an enemy, but then just stop short and mash his regular combo, which is stronger and more effective. With that strategy, I might even put him in the top 5 heroes/villains.
Was I the only one who figured out the infinite choke. Once you choked someone in the old bf2 you could switch to lightsaber throw and your stamina would refill while still choking
When I was a kid Obiwan was my go-to for heroes and maul and grievious were my go-tos for villains. Those were my 3 favorite characters back in the day.
I know you didn't include the dlc exclusive characters, but in my opinion both Kit Fisto and Asajj are S tier mainly because of their throwables (especially Kit, oh my god his throwable attack is so broken) and Asajj is the only character who can do damage while blocking, i wish grievous had something like this too.
If you didnt know, with chewbacca, if you use the guided rocket you can boost its speed, and if you boost its speed into something, its explosion gets much larger and does a lot more damage.
I think Palpatine dominates in crowd control. Think about it, just hide around a corner and wait for a group of people and BAM. Force slam. One shots normal units and leaves wookies at half their hp. He doesn't even have his lightsaber out by default so u can potentially stealth for that surprise attack.
Also, Count Dooku is an easy top tier because of the choke and smoke combo and he is faster than the Emperor. Probably the best hero in the game for 1vs1 while maul is probably the best for fighting multiple enemies at once.
I disagree with the Leia placement, in online battles/ conquest getting massive groups of troop and storming a chokepoimt with invincibility it insanely powerful. You can't play her like you'd play a han solo or chewie
For real If I was villains and she used this I’d usually just run away for a minute and find other ppl to slay, if not you’re going to be spamming attack and just hoping you take as many with you
The problem is that heroes only gain health outside of HvV by killing enemies. If you’re not doing that you’re slowly losing health even if you’re not being attacked. Leia has no efficient way of killing enemy units like saber users do.
@@TheDirtysouthfanIn Conquest, Command Posts are the name of the game. It can be a close game even if you yourself have 70 kills (of 150). With a command post lead you can win handedly even with just a few kills. Her ability basically granting free command posts is massive (especially as the hero on spam city Polis Massa). Does her beam pistol suck? Yeah, but invulnerability demands a weak weapon.
Before I start the video, my S tier is Maul, has 4 consecutive attacks if you include the "secret" attack while holding the attack button on attack 3, he has a good sprint attack as well
count dooku, and the emperor belong in S teir mate. You can use both of their force powers at the same time. Use force choke, than switch to lightening and melt the enemies health bar.
The classic collection is $49 in my country (New Zealand) I want to return to my childhood and enjoy the nostalgia but i can't bring myself to pay that much it's just too much.
Probably $20 on steam for each game (Canadian) maybe less (can’t remember what I played) and connect a wireless controller or play with keyboard and mouse. That’s what I did
The tier list changes once you learn that force choke users get infinite stamina if you switch abilities after using force choke. Dooku, Anakin, Vader and the Palpy become OP when you use this combo.
4:40 I find the flamethrower somewhat useful as a single tap weapon. Like if someone comes too close, just switch to it and set them on fire, then quickly switch back to your rifle. I find there's not much benefit to keep flaming the whole ammo clip on an enemy. Just let the fire burn on its own, so they get shot and burned simultaneously. Which makes Boba and Jango pretty good against higher health enemies.
did you forget that Count Dooku has the Choke/Lightning lockdown combo? while holding the choke you switch to lightning it would give you infinite stamina and nothing they could do to break the hold, getting to use 2 force powers at the same time is OP
Force Lightning has a broken glitch. Choke someone and switch to Lightning while Choking them and your stamina bar breaks so you can Choke someone to death and immediately have full force to Choke someone else. Duku is absolutely broken because of this IMO.
I do agree with the list but defiently love using the flame thrower. It melts general units in an AOE type of attack that does damage over time and it can cause players to panic when jango or boba fall from the style and use the flame thrower and then fly away. The pistol in my opinion is defiently way more broken and disgusting then the elite rifle. I find myself using the award pistol a lot more then the elite rifle. Great video none the less
11:02 - they actually did give Jango dual Westars in the PSP Battlefront game *Renegade Squadron* and they were absolutely disgusting. Functioned with overheat instead of magazines, fast shot movement - they were perfect. And that was before you got to play as IG-88 with *dual blasters that were twice as good*
I always remembered playing Battlefront 2 with my younger brother and he would always only want to play assault. I would choose to be the heros and pick Han Solo and troll the shit out of him. I would destroy all of the health and ammo droids and heal them up with the fusion cutter when i needed it and then destroy the droids when I was finished. Han will forever be S tier in my mind just that memory alone.
Great list and I generally agree!! But I would put Leia above Chewie by a long shot. Her blaster sucks, but her support ability is LITERALLY GOD-TIER. She can make friendly units around her invulnerable!!! and you can repeatadly do this when ammo is refilled. She also has grenades to spam.
Counter arguments for Jango, Mace, and Grevious. Jango's pistol is hitscan, which is a trait only reserved for snipers. It can one-shot any unit with a headshot (not sure about heavies, though). Plus, he is insanely fast and has significantly more control over his air movement compared to Boba and Jet Troopers. Grevious can win any duel so he shuts down enemy heroes, while his rage counters the enemy officer ability (Rally) and gives his units the edge in any engagement. Especially as the republic jet trooper is the most fragile unit in clone wars. Mace is simply played by Samuel Jackson. Rq tho leia's pistol is not the same as Jango. Her pistol is the Beam Rifle, which means she doesn't deal all her damage at once (takes about a second to finish). Lastly, you can force choke and ligjtning at the same time if you choke then swap to lightning while holding the force power button
I used to also think the emperor was mid but in conquest the lightning will clear out an entire room in like 5 seconds. Especially on the Death Star and polis massa, he’s borderline OP
Say what you want, but I do love using General Grievous and Darth Vader on the Tantive IV map in BF2. When I started out as those characters, I would first go to the door where the stormtroopers entered in from A New Hope to make it like he just boarded the ship before laying waste to the clones or rebels.
PSA to all the forgetful ones - never switch to the fusion cutter on Han, you can never switch back to the blaster - neiher on pc nor on ps2 XD and chewies secondary weapon is the elite rocket launcher, can slap but is map dependend and you're afk flying the missile ofc. Tho it's voice line distortion can be fun.
Dooku and Palpatine should be S tier thanks to an exploit. If you use switch to another ability WHILE using Force Choke, your Force Choke no longer consumes stamina until it is canceled. If you do this as Dooku or Palpatine, you start simultaneously using Force Choke AND Force Lightning while only spending stamina on the latter. It allows you to destroy any hero, and still take on groups.
I think there should have been another list to counter each tiers. Like for example Ayla Secura is good but Grievous is good on recovery from a force pull. I don't know if its a Classic collection patch but it feels that grievous does more damage then I remember especially to Ayla. Other charcters that could counter the force pull characters is of course Anakin, dooku especially if catch them off guard. One thing people don't know about dooku is you can do force choke while holding the switch button to do force choke and lightning at the same time. It kills heroes faster but greatly reduces force. And darth maul might be best too against force pull users if you push them before they have time to recover. Even getting force pulled by multiple enemies darth maul can get out of it fairly easily if you know how to use him. Not to mention if you hold down the attack button to finish his basic combo, he does an exta saber spin instead of a strike.
Big thing you forgot about dooku is the lightning-choke combo, as they can be swapped in classic BF2 for an infinite stunlock. The only other villain capable of this is the Emperor, who has a much worse melee moveset. I will say that Jango tends to operate much more as a hero/high priority target hunter, as the time bombs *do* significantly more damage than the detpack, allowing him to snipe infantry commanders and blow up troublesome vehicles. Boba’s kit is much more geared for dealing with groups of infantry.
Maul is #1 because of how easy it is to chain that basic combo on multiple people at once repeatedly. Not to mention a very hard to miss dash to set up stunlock combos and the absolute lawnmower that is hiw saber throw. Bonus points because Duel Of The Fates plays when you're murdering people as him
I love the video! I would say I like force push if you have a good sprint character. Darth Maul, for example, force push and sprint attack can be extremely deadly with precision. With poor sprint characters I agree with you though, I think force push is not the best.
Jango's pistol is the strongest gun in the game if you have a fast trigger finger. You can spam that super quickly and it can mow through enemies or shred a hero's Health bar. I think he's the best gun wielding Hero in the game because of that pistol, though it can be harder to play.
Dooku and Sidious are EASILY S Tier characters. You are able to Choke people, then quickly change to lightning- this causing double damage as there is a buffer, and the Choke animation still plays, but the lightning attacks as well.
Thanks for the list man! Darth maul definitely be my go to on dark side and does seem to tear it up, i like being yoda on the light side but he is harder to figure out. Hope all have a blessed year 😊 John 3:16-21
It’s sick to see this list-definitely agree with most of it and funny to see people have the same findings. I’m definitely a big Emperor guy though, I’ll die on that hill. He’s my favourite for crowd control, and prob needs a bit more kudos for having choke. Grievous also has an incredible R2 combo on the final (third) hit, so if you can trap someone in that it’s a near guaranteed kill. Luke deserves more imo! But I might just be more partial to his moveset, I think it’s the quickest and most versatile for reasons I have trouble explaining. I think he jumps quicker?? I don’t know. And Yoda, I share the concerns, though I think some of his moves have grown on me over time. I think he’s not a bad duelist but he is a bad campaign mode. Darth Maul is the best, though.
I played bf2 online for the ps2 as well, I primarily agree with this list but as someone who mainly played the hero assault mode on mos eisley I’d basically put all the shooters on the bottom tier and keep everything mostly the same. I do like the fact you considered other games modes than assault in this list as well.
I agree with most of them EXCEPT han solo. His burst pistol was BUSTED. 😂 If you hit headshots with it, you were melting even the force users with that thing.
@@sillysokka1130 that’s just a big IF, if you’re hitting your shots, I know personally this game it’s a lot harder to hit force users just because of the huge difference in mobility.
Love this list! I think I would roughly say everyone is in a good spot, though I disagree with one and im curious on your thoughts, Jango is easily better than Boba. The two I want to counteract is their main guns, and comparing det bombs to time bombs. First their main guns, Jangos is better because its hitscan, has better range, and can melt much faster since its spammable. Second, the det bombs, I agree they are good, just not on Boba, with him he cant shoot then use a det bomb as Bobas shots are delayed, which both delay his det bombs, and rockets (so you cant shoot then right after use a bomb or rocket, you need to wait 2 seconds before your blaster can recharge) making his synergy with both those tools almost null in void compared to jangos which like mentioned he can spam his gun, which means theres no falloff delay between using his rockets and shooting his gun. Now timebomb is objectively worse than det bombs, but like stated Bobas just doesnt synergize with his kit, and timebombs are much more effective at taking out veichles which is very important in conquest so having that is much more useful than detbombs which are weaker and dont synergize with bobas slow gun firerate. And so with Jangos better synergy with his kit, with his better main gun to dish out damage due to his hitscan, longer range, and spamability, and more reliable way to take out buildings with timebombs which is something the blaster characters lack, I think makes Jango much better than Boba!
Fanboys are unable to differentiate between gameplay and lore. The game is as the game is, id always pick Darth maul over every character because he clears a corridor like it's going out of style. There's a reason video games are s canon in either legends or the Disney timeline. Games are supposed to be fun first and foremost.
A note about flamethrowers. Yes they’re rubbish as a primary weapon, but when your main weapon runs out of ammo they’re really easy to swap to and finish off the last bit of the enemy’s health. Great secondary option, and using them while jet packing is a great counter to saber users.
you forgot that palpatines jump attack is in fact insanely good, it cant be blocked by lightsabers or shields and always stuns the enemies which means you can basically stun lock your enemies if you play well :D
One thing I noticed is that Count Dooku's sideways and backwards movements are super slow, unlike Palpatine's. Palpatine can still dodge a lightsaber throw just by walking sideways. Count Dooku on the other hand can't. Most of the time for me Atleast. I guess with Dooku you gotta manage your stamina and make the most out of the combat rolls, and sideways jumps as a means of dodging.
Before it even starts, if Darth Maul is not number 1, its invalid. I be catching BODIES with Maul Also fun fact: Darth Maul has his secret OP lightsaber twirl move if you hold the attack input on the last slash.
Yoda is the most situational unit in the game. So in battlefront 2, lasers do not travel through water, but lightsabers do. The two conquest maps that Yoda is playable on are Kashykk and Dagobah. Kashykk and dagobah both have large bodies of water as center points of the map. Yoda does not take drown damage and is short enough to be completely submerged in water. This means that in conquest:
YOU CAN CAMP
UNDERWATER
AND ANKLE BITE PEOPLE TO DEATH
WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT THEM SHOOTING YOU
I appreciate this detailed Yoda breakdown for conquest. TY
Beware of cheeky grenades
@@canaldecasta and rockets/mines, especially on Dagobah where it's dark
My brother used to do it all the time
grenades my guy
I'm literally watching this to finally figure out what Grievous abilities are after 2 decades
i was stumped for so long too
WHAT IS IT!!!
@@Nidgaf209 rage (damage increase)
YO FACTS
Yeah, I didn’t even remember that the rage was a thing
There was nothing more terrifying than turning around to see Maul bearing down on you in a sprint. That double bladed onslaught was nigh impossible to recover from.
i second this feeling and statement.
General grievous was ridiculous also
You were lucky not to be turned into hamburger meat if you got hit with that Propeller Strike No Jutsu even as a relatively tanky unit that was barely grazed.
@@garrettjowman I remember finding out maul's 2nd hit chain by holding down the attack after the 2nd swing.
I'll take maul over a jumpscare from Degobah Yoda hiding in the water.
My character died, and my soul left my body for a second IRL 😂
Fun fact, on assault on the Mos Eisley map, you can, as Yoda, get on top of the cantina, and in the right spot, you can crouch and clip into the roof and become unkillable. This has absolutely zero strategic value, but it is hilarious to watch AI Jango and Boba Fetts try to shoot at you and fail miserably as their shots hit the roof.
They need to add a youngling hunt in the temple during order 66, which is like Ewok hunt but y’know… younglings and Anakin
that would be sick
That’s a disgusting idea...dew it😂
There better be a mod coming 😂
Atleast they should have made it be jedi being hunted and the players play as the 501st whit anakin
I always found it funny that George Lucas used the word „younglings“ because Children sounds to horrible😂
One note in regards to Yoda: on kashyyyk and dagobah, he can hide in the water to make himself immune to blaster shots, add force pull into the mix (if it works, which it mostly doesn't) and you've got a killer combo.
The reason why it doesn't work is because your aiming the upper torso! The Droid hit box is different you gotta aim bottom torso crotch area
Yeah, Yoda should probably be higher by a tier or two, if only because of how broken his height can be if you get creative. It comes with a lot of downsides, but people aren’t used to aiming at him, looking for him, etc.
A veteran you are sir
@@tonynasaofficialOoooh that's why. Thank you
@@JohnSapato np
Fun fact, although most lightsaber wielders have 3 attacks they cycle through. Darth Maul actually has a 4th attack, if you attack three times, but hold the attack button down on the last attack, you do a little lighstaber spin behind you, that also hits units
Yesss I was hoping someone else discovered that combo. I would use the spinkick variant as often as possible because even if they are just bots, I can imagine dying from a kick to the chin as opposed to the perfectly viable laser staff I am holding, must be humiliating even in Binary.
The best way to use Dooku and the emperor is to start choking someone then switch to force lightning in order to quickly dispatch them. This combo works best with the emperor.
Honestly I hope that glitch is patched out with the Classic Collection. It’s going to make Heroes vs Villains hell if they don’t.
You can even force choke with vader and switch to lightsaber throw, this makes it so that you can keep choking them without losing stamina
Hahah I wasn’t going to mention it and see who all in game was trying this move. Hat tip for you
@@flatloheros vs villains is different on the og game, gonna be an entire army of heros and villains lol no 1v1s for the most part
this combined with sidious having the highest stamina pool makes sidious low key one of the best in hero assault cause he stomps 1v1s
One thing people don't know about dooku is you can do force choke while holding the switch button to do force choke and lightning at the same time. Same thing with sidious. Also, darth maul has an extra saber spin if you hold down the button at the end of his basic combo
One thing with Chewie.
The rockets is hilarious to control when you use the dedicated camera and mess with others during heroes VS villains
imma be honest i thought all of them were equally busted because as a kid if i saw ANY hero/villain walk up to me as a grunt i would scream
Was in a PS2 online dueling clan back in the day. This is a pretty accurate list. Aayla wasn’t used as much because double force pulls were banned, but it’s fun to see someone break down these old school characters in a modern format.
Also, darth Vader is in the correct tier, but he also has a massive health pool, maybe second to Chewie. It makes it so he can survive combo chains and break out with back slashes.
Really fun list I’m excited to see what mechanics and exploits make it to the remake
I used to be in a clan too. Do you remember LSJ? I used to go by "LSJ Lost". Some of my favorite gaming memories came from Mos Eisley heroes vs villains
@@JWE_ I can’t remember! I think I was 12-14 at the time - I went by (something) Batman - I think our clan went by superhero gamer tags! LSJ sounds super familiar though?!
*OG players online in 2024*
" Just like the simulations"
Great analysis. I would've loved to see actual gameplay of each character as you talked about them.
Right? I mean, how hard would it have been to film each character? Seems like he went lazy just looping trailer footage here.
When playing as Maul, you follow the force push with Saber throw or sprint attack.
As a millennial growing up with this game, I love seeing these videos.
As a zoomer who grew up with this game I am glad to finally be able to play it with friends
@@personman1148 I will see you on the battlefield!
I've been playing it since it was released in 2005 and I honestly never really stopped. Had it on the original Xbox, CD and now Steam! Easily one of my favorite Star Wars games of all time!
They need to make Qui Gon a hero
they do!
Qui-Gon is one of my favorite characters and he’s never playable except in the Lego games.
Qui Gon, Plo Koon, Darth Plagueis and Starkiller would all be welcome additions and keep both teams evenly numbered
no live footage of movesets? come on man that would have been spicy for those who don't know.
Got my ass kicked by dudes with the vVv clan tag as a kid; log in now and to my surprise that damn clan is still active and still kicks my ass! Ah, the good old days...
Real ones remember Grievous being awful as both a teammate and an ally. His combos would cc both of yall, and Grievous would walk into a room swinging on anything that moved, only making things worse.
This is why I'm surprised seeing him this low. He has a wide range and was one of the characters I found the easiest to stun lock enemies with and do crowd control with. His charge attack, if done correctly, could practically kill someone at full health. The hitbox animation was completely OP, especially the finisher animation on his attack cycle (where he uses his 4 arms), which was one of the strongest finishers, in my opinion. It would play out even as you died, meaning you could often get a final hit in that would deal good damage or even kill the enemies from beyond the grave (this could happen with other heroes aswell, but due the long animation of Grevious attack it appears to happen more consistently and for characters to be caught in the hitbox).
I found Grevious to be a decent high pressure character with a wide attack combo.
Yet, a slow character like Darth Vader that was basically demolished in any scenario where he was outnumbered and hardly ever useful outside of a 1v1 is near top tier
Brother thank god you put Darth Maul in S Tier I was gonna have to call bs if he wasn’t in the top tier bro.
Us early age gen z played and grew up on it, too!
let's go!
Grievous works well in tight spaces like the corridors on the Tantive IV.
Palpatine works best on the Death Star and in the Jedi Temple because there are lots of vantage points for him to drop down on select targets or small groups.
Yoda's a good tank buster, and good for taking out snipers on the bridge on Kashyyyk.
I personally would rank Mace lower because his attacks tend to leave him wide open, you may as well just spam saber throw with him.
The emperors lightning attack is sick idc 😂
Grievous is way better if you just forget about using his sprint attack. It's a bit counterintuitive because he moves so far forward. You can hit an enemy, but it doesn't do a ton of damage, so you'll just have to circle back and finish them off, which takes too much time because he's gonna be too far away by the end of his sprint. Usually I will sprint towards an enemy, but then just stop short and mash his regular combo, which is stronger and more effective. With that strategy, I might even put him in the top 5 heroes/villains.
Was I the only one who figured out the infinite choke. Once you choked someone in the old bf2 you could switch to lightsaber throw and your stamina would refill while still choking
Was looking for this comment. Count Dooku was completely broken, being able to choke and use force lightning simultaneously with this method.
When I was a kid Obiwan was my go-to for heroes and maul and grievious were my go-tos for villains. Those were my 3 favorite characters back in the day.
a solid lineup
They were all so much fun. I bought a fat ps2 recently and have been replaying :)
nice! the OG PS2 was/is iconic!
I know you didn't include the dlc exclusive characters, but in my opinion both Kit Fisto and Asajj are S tier mainly because of their throwables (especially Kit, oh my god his throwable attack is so broken) and Asajj is the only character who can do damage while blocking, i wish grievous had something like this too.
I appreciate this analysis! can't wait to try them both out
If you didnt know, with chewbacca, if you use the guided rocket you can boost its speed, and if you boost its speed into something, its explosion gets much larger and does a lot more damage.
Jango Fett should of had his "Dual Wield Blasters". Its been 20 years, just give it to him.
I remember playing a mod which did that.
I think Palpatine dominates in crowd control. Think about it, just hide around a corner and wait for a group of people and BAM. Force slam. One shots normal units and leaves wookies at half their hp. He doesn't even have his lightsaber out by default so u can potentially stealth for that surprise attack.
I agree with most of your rankings I'd move grievous up one tier but to each there own
Same grivous was a beast I thought
Also, Count Dooku is an easy top tier because of the choke and smoke combo and he is faster than the Emperor. Probably the best hero in the game for 1vs1 while maul is probably the best for fighting multiple enemies at once.
This is pretty spot on, you nailed this
I disagree with the Leia placement, in online battles/ conquest getting massive groups of troop and storming a chokepoimt with invincibility it insanely powerful. You can't play her like you'd play a han solo or chewie
For real If I was villains and she used this I’d usually just run away for a minute and find other ppl to slay, if not you’re going to be spamming attack and just hoping you take as many with you
The problem is that heroes only gain health outside of HvV by killing enemies. If you’re not doing that you’re slowly losing health even if you’re not being attacked. Leia has no efficient way of killing enemy units like saber users do.
@@TheDirtysouthfanIn Conquest, Command Posts are the name of the game. It can be a close game even if you yourself have 70 kills (of 150). With a command post lead you can win handedly even with just a few kills. Her ability basically granting free command posts is massive (especially as the hero on spam city Polis Massa).
Does her beam pistol suck? Yeah, but invulnerability demands a weak weapon.
Would definitely love to see this list with the 2 dlc characters included. Getting back into this since the classic release!
Yoda has some crazy survivability if he's attacking anyone who doesn't have a lightsaber though because he's so smol
Count dooku and palpatine using force lightening was always crazy. On high buildings yoda could spam pull/push and perma stun people in the air
Ventress and kit fisto are pretty fun to play as if you’ve already played them on Xbox
Love that content on this game is being made
The Yoda tech. Turn off Lightsaber, hide behind medical droid, end lives. Rinse, repeat. Lmao.
Med droids don’t heal heros
@@mohsaic3489 Yes, they do.
@@-THE_META No, they don’t. Only way to get health with heros is by killing enemies. Otherwise it’ll deplete on its own.
@@mohsaic3489 Oh I get it now, I am talking about Heroes vs Villains.
Ki-Adi-Mundi is easily the best force user sprint ability. you can infinitely chain it and there is nothing the opponent can do about it. S++++ tier
Maybe show footage of the characters movesets as you talk about them instead of revolving stock footage?
Before I start the video, my S tier is Maul, has 4 consecutive attacks if you include the "secret" attack while holding the attack button on attack 3, he has a good sprint attack as well
Didn’t know I needed this video- ty
thank YOU
count dooku, and the emperor belong in S teir mate. You can use both of their force powers at the same time. Use force choke, than switch to lightening and melt the enemies health bar.
Yes! This. Abused this all the time!
Yep, impossible to counter this and makes them the best in 1vs1 fights by far.
Maul and grevious the best of the villians. They were amazing.
The classic collection is $49 in my country (New Zealand) I want to return to my childhood and enjoy the nostalgia but i can't bring myself to pay that much it's just too much.
Probably $20 on steam for each game (Canadian) maybe less (can’t remember what I played) and connect a wireless controller or play with keyboard and mouse. That’s what I did
Mace Windu’s ground pound absolutely has a stun; it knocks everyone caught in it off their feet for a solid three seconds.
Yeah but leah has the strongest support abilitiy which is invulnerability
Grievous is great, the way he makes everyone flip over is hilarious and can kill like 5 people at once
Charging through Echo Base as Vader is SO much fun
Haven't watched yet but Darth Maul HAS to be S-tier.
Nice list. As a seasoned BF2 vet, I mostly agree with your list except I would move Luke and Yoda up 1 tier each, and move Conehead and Solo to mid.
The tier list changes once you learn that force choke users get infinite stamina if you switch abilities after using force choke. Dooku, Anakin, Vader and the Palpy become OP when you use this combo.
As a new player this immensely helpful
welcome to the battlefront
4:40 I find the flamethrower somewhat useful as a single tap weapon.
Like if someone comes too close, just switch to it and set them on fire, then quickly switch back to your rifle.
I find there's not much benefit to keep flaming the whole ammo clip on an enemy. Just let the fire burn on its own, so they get shot and burned simultaneously.
Which makes Boba and Jango pretty good against higher health enemies.
did you forget that Count Dooku has the Choke/Lightning lockdown combo? while holding the choke you switch to lightning it would give you infinite stamina and nothing they could do to break the hold, getting to use 2 force powers at the same time is OP
Force Lightning has a broken glitch. Choke someone and switch to Lightning while Choking them and your stamina bar breaks so you can Choke someone to death and immediately have full force to Choke someone else. Duku is absolutely broken because of this IMO.
I do agree with the list but defiently love using the flame thrower. It melts general units in an AOE type of attack that does damage over time and it can cause players to panic when jango or boba fall from the style and use the flame thrower and then fly away. The pistol in my opinion is defiently way more broken and disgusting then the elite rifle. I find myself using the award pistol a lot more then the elite rifle. Great video none the less
11:02 - they actually did give Jango dual Westars in the PSP Battlefront game *Renegade Squadron* and they were absolutely disgusting. Functioned with overheat instead of magazines, fast shot movement - they were perfect.
And that was before you got to play as IG-88 with *dual blasters that were twice as good*
My favorite hero to play as is a Wampa.
Wampa hunting is so fun if one friends human and the other's in the wampa horde
I always remembered playing Battlefront 2 with my younger brother and he would always only want to play assault. I would choose to be the heros and pick Han Solo and troll the shit out of him. I would destroy all of the health and ammo droids and heal them up with the fusion cutter when i needed it and then destroy the droids when I was finished. Han will forever be S tier in my mind just that memory alone.
Great list and I generally agree!! But I would put Leia above Chewie by a long shot. Her blaster sucks, but her support ability is LITERALLY GOD-TIER. She can make friendly units around her invulnerable!!! and you can repeatadly do this when ammo is refilled. She also has grenades to spam.
Counter arguments for Jango, Mace, and Grevious.
Jango's pistol is hitscan, which is a trait only reserved for snipers. It can one-shot any unit with a headshot (not sure about heavies, though). Plus, he is insanely fast and has significantly more control over his air movement compared to Boba and Jet Troopers.
Grevious can win any duel so he shuts down enemy heroes, while his rage counters the enemy officer ability (Rally) and gives his units the edge in any engagement. Especially as the republic jet trooper is the most fragile unit in clone wars.
Mace is simply played by Samuel Jackson.
Rq tho leia's pistol is not the same as Jango. Her pistol is the Beam Rifle, which means she doesn't deal all her damage at once (takes about a second to finish).
Lastly, you can force choke and ligjtning at the same time if you choke then swap to lightning while holding the force power button
Dooku and Sidious can both choke and use lightning at the same time which is pretty effective.
Me taking notes from y’all getting back into this game as it’s been years. Also Mace Windu is defintely I Have The High Ground 😂
Choke and lightening together is hilarious, choke then swap to lightening and they get damaged by both so for that I’d put Dooku higher
I used to also think the emperor was mid but in conquest the lightning will clear out an entire room in like 5 seconds. Especially on the Death Star and polis massa, he’s borderline OP
Kit Fisto is op secretly and would probably be s tier
Ventress deserves never tell me the odds or high ground
Say what you want, but I do love using General Grievous and Darth Vader on the Tantive IV map in BF2. When I started out as those characters, I would first go to the door where the stormtroopers entered in from A New Hope to make it like he just boarded the ship before laying waste to the clones or rebels.
PSA to all the forgetful ones - never switch to the fusion cutter on Han, you can never switch back to the blaster - neiher on pc nor on ps2 XD and chewies secondary weapon is the elite rocket launcher, can slap but is map dependend and you're afk flying the missile ofc. Tho it's voice line distortion can be fun.
Dooku and Palpatine should be S tier thanks to an exploit. If you use switch to another ability WHILE using Force Choke, your Force Choke no longer consumes stamina until it is canceled. If you do this as Dooku or Palpatine, you start simultaneously using Force Choke AND Force Lightning while only spending stamina on the latter. It allows you to destroy any hero, and still take on groups.
Vader can choke into a force dash (sprint) slash and one shot any character if done correctly but it uses all of your force bar to do so.
I think there should have been another list to counter each tiers. Like for example Ayla Secura is good but Grievous is good on recovery from a force pull. I don't know if its a Classic collection patch but it feels that grievous does more damage then I remember especially to Ayla. Other charcters that could counter the force pull characters is of course Anakin, dooku especially if catch them off guard. One thing people don't know about dooku is you can do force choke while holding the switch button to do force choke and lightning at the same time. It kills heroes faster but greatly reduces force. And darth maul might be best too against force pull users if you push them before they have time to recover. Even getting force pulled by multiple enemies darth maul can get out of it fairly easily if you know how to use him. Not to mention if you hold down the attack button to finish his basic combo, he does an exta saber spin instead of a strike.
Big thing you forgot about dooku is the lightning-choke combo, as they can be swapped in classic BF2 for an infinite stunlock. The only other villain capable of this is the Emperor, who has a much worse melee moveset.
I will say that Jango tends to operate much more as a hero/high priority target hunter, as the time bombs *do* significantly more damage than the detpack, allowing him to snipe infantry commanders and blow up troublesome vehicles. Boba’s kit is much more geared for dealing with groups of infantry.
Maul is #1 because of how easy it is to chain that basic combo on multiple people at once repeatedly. Not to mention a very hard to miss dash to set up stunlock combos and the absolute lawnmower that is hiw saber throw.
Bonus points because Duel Of The Fates plays when you're murdering people as him
I love the video! I would say I like force push if you have a good sprint character. Darth Maul, for example, force push and sprint attack can be extremely deadly with precision. With poor sprint characters I agree with you though, I think force push is not the best.
Jango's pistol is the strongest gun in the game if you have a fast trigger finger. You can spam that super quickly and it can mow through enemies or shred a hero's Health bar. I think he's the best gun wielding Hero in the game because of that pistol, though it can be harder to play.
Dooku and Sidious are EASILY S Tier characters. You are able to Choke people, then quickly change to lightning- this causing double damage as there is a buffer, and the Choke animation still plays, but the lightning attacks as well.
Thanks for the list man! Darth maul definitely be my go to on dark side and does seem to tear it up, i like being yoda on the light side but he is harder to figure out. Hope all have a blessed year 😊 John 3:16-21
It’s sick to see this list-definitely agree with most of it and funny to see people have the same findings.
I’m definitely a big Emperor guy though, I’ll die on that hill. He’s my favourite for crowd control, and prob needs a bit more kudos for having choke.
Grievous also has an incredible R2 combo on the final (third) hit, so if you can trap someone in that it’s a near guaranteed kill.
Luke deserves more imo! But I might just be more partial to his moveset, I think it’s the quickest and most versatile for reasons I have trouble explaining. I think he jumps quicker?? I don’t know.
And Yoda, I share the concerns, though I think some of his moves have grown on me over time. I think he’s not a bad duelist but he is a bad campaign mode.
Darth Maul is the best, though.
I only recently learned about the jump attacks lol
I played bf2 online for the ps2 as well, I primarily agree with this list but as someone who mainly played the hero assault mode on mos eisley I’d basically put all the shooters on the bottom tier and keep everything mostly the same. I do like the fact you considered other games modes than assault in this list as well.
I agree with most of them EXCEPT han solo. His burst pistol was BUSTED. 😂
If you hit headshots with it, you were melting even the force users with that thing.
@@sillysokka1130 that’s just a big IF, if you’re hitting your shots, I know personally this game it’s a lot harder to hit force users just because of the huge difference in mobility.
Love this list! I think I would roughly say everyone is in a good spot, though I disagree with one and im curious on your thoughts, Jango is easily better than Boba. The two I want to counteract is their main guns, and comparing det bombs to time bombs. First their main guns, Jangos is better because its hitscan, has better range, and can melt much faster since its spammable. Second, the det bombs, I agree they are good, just not on Boba, with him he cant shoot then use a det bomb as Bobas shots are delayed, which both delay his det bombs, and rockets (so you cant shoot then right after use a bomb or rocket, you need to wait 2 seconds before your blaster can recharge) making his synergy with both those tools almost null in void compared to jangos which like mentioned he can spam his gun, which means theres no falloff delay between using his rockets and shooting his gun. Now timebomb is objectively worse than det bombs, but like stated Bobas just doesnt synergize with his kit, and timebombs are much more effective at taking out veichles which is very important in conquest so having that is much more useful than detbombs which are weaker and dont synergize with bobas slow gun firerate. And so with Jangos better synergy with his kit, with his better main gun to dish out damage due to his hitscan, longer range, and spamability, and more reliable way to take out buildings with timebombs which is something the blaster characters lack, I think makes Jango much better than Boba!
yo i appreciate this in depth analysis on Jango! expanding my perspective forsure🤘
On the PS2 if you put someone in a choke and changed to lightning mid choke it would do both at the same time and delete any hero instantly
Fanboys are unable to differentiate between gameplay and lore.
The game is as the game is, id always pick Darth maul over every character because he clears a corridor like it's going out of style.
There's a reason video games are s canon in either legends or the Disney timeline.
Games are supposed to be fun first and foremost.
I always liked how Anakin Pre Vader was a dark side villain
A note about flamethrowers. Yes they’re rubbish as a primary weapon, but when your main weapon runs out of ammo they’re really easy to swap to and finish off the last bit of the enemy’s health. Great secondary option, and using them while jet packing is a great counter to saber users.
you forgot that palpatines jump attack is in fact insanely good, it cant be blocked by lightsabers or shields and always stuns the enemies which means you can basically stun lock your enemies if you play well :D
One thing I noticed is that Count Dooku's sideways and backwards movements are super slow, unlike Palpatine's.
Palpatine can still dodge a lightsaber throw just by walking sideways.
Count Dooku on the other hand can't. Most of the time for me Atleast.
I guess with Dooku you gotta manage your stamina and make the most out of the combat rolls, and sideways jumps as a means of dodging.
I love playing as aylaa as well. I gave my lego figure 2 lightsabers based on this game 😂
I always considered grevious to be the total yoda death character there’s like literally nothing yoda can do other than get lucky with a push or pull
I used to absolutely hate securra because of the different color sabers. Now im attracted to her so idk times change
Before it even starts, if Darth Maul is not number 1, its invalid. I be catching BODIES with Maul
Also fun fact:
Darth Maul has his secret OP lightsaber twirl move if you hold the attack input on the last slash.
Yeah Maul Is OP in this game
Yoda has an advantage with that hit box. So hard to hit him
Wonder where Assaj and Kit would go on this list, especially with their unique secondary force abilities
I don't know, for some reason, I'd always get killed right away when playing as Anakin on Coruscant.
Maul also has a 4th attack if u hold the attack button after third attack/combo.