AI Pathfinding. The end of traps in ARK?
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- Опубліковано 16 лис 2023
- If you've tried to trap any land based creatures in ARK: Survival Ascended, you may have noticed they don't enter the trap so easily. This is due to the new AI pathfinding system that has been developed. In this video, we delve into the question of whether it's the end of traps in ARK.
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The ultimate PvE defence wall: a row of fence foundations.
It doesn't mean they won't fall for traps, it means trap designs get to become more interesting and elaborate.
The AI pathfinder may seem like it sucks to deal with right now, but we're all gonna be thankful for it when Extinction comes and we don't get stuck on every OSD wave because of a single corrupt dilophosaur stuck on a cliffside 💀
Honestly I don't think Dino's not falling for traps is always more immersive. I don't expect all Dino's are smart enough to work out when they're walking into a trap. I think there should be a healthy level of "sm0l brain" Dino's.
Build any normal trap, but when it pathfinds around the trap just stay in the middle of the trap shooting at it. The dino just circles the trap until it torpor runs and then knockout. The pathfinding prevents them from attacking you and they just keep trying different angles.
Native Americans often used elaborate traps that involved a type of maze. It was "open" as the wild horses ran from the people they could see, then as they entered the final open area, the natives would drop hides over branches that tricked the horses into stopping. The horses had no idea the hide was easily bypassed. Basically, making traps similar to the old wyvern traps, but much more open and with a final "trigger" is the way to go for me, right now. Like a spiral sea shell, the dino runs into the maze and then can't find it's way out when I "open" a gate that blocks their path out. It's a reverse trap, of sorts, and takes tons of materials, but now that you've shown me about fence foundations, I think I can make them a lot easier!
If there is one thing the history of players has taught us it's that players will not be contained. Players breaks free, it expands to new territories and crashes through barriers, painfully, maybe even dangerously, players, uh… finds a way
The fact that bear trap method is one of the only working methods pains me to a huge extent.
Can’t wait to see your trap designs that funnel a Dino in using fence foundations 😂
I have always wondered why the programming seems to be "Dino trying to eat you = smart" vs "Dino on follow = dumb" AI logic. For some reason, if they are following you, they will get hung up on the dumbest stuff whereas if they are trying to eat you they will phase through things and B line it to you.
The way I've been using the typical ramp traps we're all used to and first shown in the video is to use a flyer. If you fly slowly right near the ramp...then fly over the end and stay in the air, the dino will follow you up the ramp and drop in as it tries to bite you while you're hovering. Works every time with every large dino I've tried so far. True though, I quickly learned that they now got smarter and walk around the ramps which I wasn't expecting...I quickly adapted to the flyer option and it all worked out as it did in ARK Evolved.
Torpor running seems to have changed so they will return after briefly fleeing. It is easier to tame without a trap.
The standard trap with a Ramp into Doors did still work for me while taming Thylas. At the very least the old trap system still works if you stay close enough to the dino.
If you still want to use the original trapping methods, you can build walls on the side of the ramp. The creature follows you through the walls not knowing there is a trap in front of it, and then the walls cancel out the creature's ability to go around it, making it just go straight in the trap. Worked for a theri that I tamed, might not work for all dinos though.
Mad respect for you captain fatdog. This is very well made!
My giga and BB traps seem to avoid the pathing issues but it has been a major hinderance to some of my other trap asperations. Really helpful data here, much appreciated <3
Great video Fatdog, incredibly well researched with lots of things to consider that will provide much food for thought, why you are the best!
The editing in your videos is soooo good, mate!! Regarding the pathfinding, and knowing how smart and creative you are, I am certain that it will not prevent you from finding yet another method of trapping even the smartest of the dinos. Keep it up, Captain!
Very well said Cap, I look forward to seeing what innovations you bring to traps in ASA.
I was relieved to see that taming by boat still seems to work! I had a killer taming ship in my last game. Great video! Thanks!