2020 Cirrus SR22T Flight Trial
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2024
- For the 2020 model year, Cirrus has built in what it calls Cirrus IQ. Using cellular communications, a smartphone app and cloud storage, it has real-time trend and data monitoring that ultimately can be used to keep tabs on how Cirrus pilots are flying these aircraft, how the engine and systems are performing and to provide early warning for component failures.
In this video report Aviation Consumer Editor Larry Anglisano spent some time with a new SR22T with Cirrus' Cliff Allen. - Авто та транспорт
2019 becomes the last model year I have any interest in.
2016 was the last year of true value. Since then they just add tiny things and jumped the price a LOT more. 250ktas, not this plane, not at any altitude.
I clicked thumbs up for a well made video, thanks Larry, but there is no way I would want that feature in any aircraft I owned,
I can't believe I ever wanted to fly a Cirrus aircraft, what a fool I was, I figured it wasn't a big deal that it had Chinese owners, how foolish that was of me.
Thank you for making this video, the worst commercial for Cirrus, whether they realize it or not, but the best information we could've hoped for.
It is not just any chinese owner, it is owned by CAIGA which is a division of Chinese government owned AVIC.
I wonder why cirrus is interested in real time data monitoring and collection all of a sudden...
@@superchargedpetrolhead It's a shame that the Chinese have piggybacked off of the engineering feats of our American-owned companies and industries and have not looked back, nor compensated us for their growth.
Do they also make you purchase a cellular data plan to send the data that will be used to increase your premiums and void your warranty?
Yeah, Cirrus can pound sand on watching my every flight and critiquing my flying style.
If you are flying with Garmin glass then everything you are doing is being logged on an SD card. It is not Cirrus specific.
@@speedomars The difference is the Garmin glass is not AUTOMATICALLY uploading data to the manufacturer.
@@sugershakify ALL Garmin avionics logs what is happening in the plane. Your control inputs, the systems on board are all tracked already. The only thing this does is ad an app on a smart phone and a wireless capability (similar to FlightStream for uploading flight plans to the panel) to get at the logged data. You guys need to catch up on how technology works in modern aircraft...your paranoia is laughable.
@@speedomars I think you need to go back and rewatch this video, because you completely missed what they are talking about. This is not about uploading flight plans or having blue tooth connectivity with mobile devices or logging flight data for your own personal use. This is about Cirrus Aircraft being wirelessly sent all of your flight information WITHOUT your action or input. ALL Garmin avionics DO NOT automatically upload your flight information to Garmin for Garmin to record, track, study, and critique
@@sugershakify This is about a bunch of troll non-pilots non aircraft owners spewing paranoia gaga over nothing. Data is data...tons of it is generated at all levels of aviation. EVERY radio call, every control input, every fuel stop, every flight taken (ADS-B tracking) is captured and stored in a database somewhere. It is laughable nonsense to diss what Cirrus is doing with IQ. Cirrus always leads...and the Cirrus haters always come up with childish rants about it...
The real question is; Does it fit under a 737 wing?
iflystuff1 - you saw that passing under the right wing too! That’s a ballsy move to say the least. Yes tower I saw that Cirrus can you give me the phone number so I can file a report!
iflystuff1 well i wish to have that garming on my 73!! Ahha
5putput - it suckered me in! Dirty Rat Bastards! Lol.. it would be interesting to see if the tail fin actually was able to clear the bottom of the wing surface?
what time were you looking at?
Valentino Dagher - the was a video on VASAviation where a 737 was holding on a taxiway when a Cirrus passed under or near the right wing on the 737. This video was the same day as this video and a lot of pilots watch both channels and we commented on this video about the incident. Check out VASAviation for the same day and look at their video. You will see what we are talking about.
In reality this Cirrus IQ is added expense for the customer so that Cirrus can gather data, and from what he said it appears that they are going to use it to void warranties. I'm not seeing the benefits for the customer. The app is very gimmicky.
You do know that your car tracks you, and if you do a ferocious over-rev due to crappy downshifting, and take it to the dealer, you may be called out on it.
@@UncleKennysPlace No it doesn't. Yours might, but my 1993 Honda Prelude certainly doesn't.
Yep. If Cirrus wants to monitor your aircraft it should be at the cost of the Cirrus.
DaryxFox But you’re 1993 Prelude isn’t under warranty anymore. (Nice car btw!)
The app has nothing to do with that, the same data has always been stored on the sd cards. I don’t know of a specific situation where cirrus has used engine data to void a warranty claim, are you?
I’d like to know what the plan is to have Cirrus ownership return to the USA vs. China currently.
Cirrus IQ protects Cirrus from incompetent Cirrus drivers, kind of funny IMO.
A feature that I was never going to use on an airplane I'll never be able to afford.
This 'feature' can become a serious privacy issue in some, if not all, countries..
Personally I would say thanks, but no thanks.
Probably sending your information to a Chinese cloud.
@@DylanClements98 two wrongs doesnt make it right
It's not a privacy issue in terms of tracking, ADS-B took care of that.
@@royernest7740 Cirrus is owned by the Chinese government en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cirrus_Aircraft
I don't know, Larry. Trend monitoring, engine and component evaluation in real time, yeah, that's all great. I'm not sure that I like the concept that some CFI is going to get an e-mail saying 'Hey, Gary needs some help with his landings.'
Basically the perfect plane for pilots who don't know what they're doing. Also, I am flying to enjoy my freedom and not to get monitored by Cirrus or whoever. Not liking the way this is going. It worked the past 20 years, why do this now. It's a plane, not a car.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Ben Franklin
This plane is awesome! You're lame!
I agree with some points, but it is 2020! I’m afraid it’s too late to be a lone wolf in the sky, safety is enhanced with many features now being added .....
@@2Greenlid Yes one of those safety features is having the plane land it's self. Which this plane does not offer! Another bad thing about this type of plane is that it tracks your location and collects data and sends that data to China!
@@2Greenlid ya but this is too much imo...
Big brother, big tech, big insurance! Watch out.
Especially when big brother, in this case, happens to be the Communist Party of China.
Funny how the Cirrus guy referred to Cirrus aircraft as "our fleet." Don't these planes belong to the people who buy them? Looks like a bad case of extended ownership and corporate overreach to me.
If what you bought has DRM or some nanny system that sends telemetry back to the manufacturer then you don't own it. It doesn't matter how much you paid for it.
Yeah, a customer bought it, but it IS their fleet, in that they designed, built, marketed the airplane. Manufacturers tend to be kind of like that, especially when they are trying to protect the fleet, and the people in the airplane.
Prob the software EULA has some clauses people won't like.
Can an owner opt out of recording and transmitting your data back to Cirrus HQ?
@@goutvols103 Yes
Might want to work on that “rat you out” line, it’s too accurate for corporate marketing speech.
I bet it will drive your insurance costs up after a few rough landings then alerting your insurance company of how you have been operating your aircraft or like someone else posted, well Mr. Smith your warrantee has just been voided because of your aircrafts operation. We don’t care if it was you behind the stick you allowed your aircraft to be operated outside of Cirrus’s design envelope so we’ve decided to end your engine warrantee and we’ve alerted your insurance company too. Oh yea this will make you a better pilot because you can’t afford to fly your aircraft any longer. Sounds like a way to gather information but also a way to escape liability if they can or at least lower their culpabilities in certain incidences. Possibly? I know engine manufactures would like data on engine performances but should the rest of the aircraft be subject to the same gathering of information? IDK? The owners should have a right to privacy or at least have the right to the decision on whether this information should be available from the aircraft operation if it hasn’t been involved in a incident and it’s just daily operations. Pilots have bad days sometimes so should they be penalized for this? Training yes, penalties? Again IDK. If you take the lid off this container you’ll never get it back on. One pilots opinion!
Ehhhh... these are $750k aircraft and there are only so many people on the planet who can afford them. I don't think Cirrus is interested in alienating their clients like that. We're not talking about the car industry here, where they have millions of customers and sell a new vehicle every ten seconds. Cirrus needs to keep their customers happy and flying, otherwise they won't be in business for long. Snitching on them to their insurance company, voiding a warranty arbitrarily, and grounding them isn't a recipe for success. There are plenty of options in aviation, especially for wealthy new-aircraft buyers.
EVOCATEUR - I am worried that this model will filter into other aircraft manufactures. I can’t afford even an older model Cirrus but when this design comes with the Garmin package then we’ll all have to live up to this model. UGH!!
@@Dr.TJ_Eckleburg i think you are correct in the general sense, but John above is probably also correct insofar as this information will certainly not always be used to the pilot's advantage. They even talk about in this video.
Just get someone to build the ultimate RV-10 for you like the AOPA give away plane for less than half the cost of an new SR-22 and no stupid parachute repack fees.
Did you ask if the owner can opt out of data collection and reporting? To be honest, as long as Cirrus is China owned having them collect and store data about usage is going to be a big problem for anyone that uses these aircraft for business purposes.
Take the plane apart
Does the Cirrus IQ use a: QRS11 Single-Axis Analog Gyroscope?
I’m beginning my process to acquire a new aircraft by January 2022. For the last couple years I was eyeing the Cirrus. Now I’m out. Not only because of the monitoring, but also the Chinese link and the fact they simply do not make the best GA aircraft. Their marketing division has many believing the opposite though. It’s a decent plane, but there are MUCH better options in this price range. It’s a DA62 for me.
Diamond Aircraft is now 100% Chinese owned. So, your DA62 will be spying on you soon too.
Big brother monitoring your every input?
No thanks! I buy a million dollar plane, its mine... it better not be "ratting me out"
"Cirrus can track it and monitor to see if our fleet is operating as plan"...
Pretty close call with the trees there at 4:09 ...
Holy shit you're right! Shockingly close!
PAPI is all red by a long shot
Holy shit
Not really. That visual approach night clip is file-footage B-roll and not the IQ airplane. But, if you look at the PFD you'll see the autopilot is flying the loaded visual approach procedure for the G1000's database, and pretty much on the glidepath, maybe a half dot low according to the VDI. These approaches are loaded and activated like a published instrument approach, but your eyeballs still need to be outside.
can we disable this iq feature, like install a hack to stop the connection?
Good video , thanks for this informations
I'm not a Cirrus owner yet but the planes I can afford will be in the 2005 to 08 range can those airplanes be upgraded to have these features?
Wow! My plane is gonna ‘rat me out’!? Yeah... I want to pay money to get one!
Does IQ constantly say "Right rudder"?
It’s was a sad day when cirrus decided to capture all that info and send it to the cloud and in turn towards their data bank. Don’t get me wrong; I’m for safety. That is to say that I don’t mind you capturing the possible malfunctioning of my planes componentes, but to capture every nuance, where I’m going, where I’ve been and how I’ve done it and at what speeds; now that’s just out right ludicrous. So much for privacy laws!!!! Furthermore, I say to leave well enough alone don’t capture ever nuance or at least allow the owner full autonomy by allowing him to place all that info in the SD card and allowing him to disseminate only the pertinent information that’s needed to monitor its respective components!!!!!! You know, like the good old days!!!!! Moreover, my feeling on this issue is not that of a nefarious one!,” I’m not a drug smuggler”!!! It’s just a case of the principality of it all.......
An aircraft that spies on you. No thanks.
Cirrus is owned by the Chinese government en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cirrus_Aircraft
It has a better rate of climb than the 707 I crewed in the 70’s
Question. Does the 22t have autopilot?
Yes. I fly my SR22T just like an airliner, takeoff and fly to 500ft, autopilot on, CAPS available. AP runs the whole flight until short final. Check speed, AP off, flaps 50%, and land manually.
They said it perfect "Rat You Out" This will be there downfall Like Icon.
Learn to spell. And lose the paranoia.
They ought to offer an option to anonymize the data. That would mean no predicting of replacement or failure for specific aircraft or instruction directed at specific pilot deficits, but would allow them to monitor components and flight characteristics that are problematic and pilot performance issues that are problems fleet-wide. That could inform which suppliers they use, aircraft design and the structure of their training program. Data that's identified with a particular pilot and aircraft is probably going to be viewed as a privacy invasion by a lot of owners.
The Cirrus aircrafts are absolutely great!!
This is concerning for a multitude of reasons... surveillance? Cirrus is owned by the Chinese government too which is disappointing.
Also, who would want your instructor to be automatically notified about your fast landings? Great if it notifies the pilot, but not if it automatically notifies instructors / cirrus.
Why would you spend $1 million on a piston single?
I’ll stick with freedom and personal space.
The new tech sounds great! Anything to help safely fly is great. One question though. Does Cirrus, or the insurance companies understand if the tech says something against the handling of the SR22T, while landing at Oshkosh? Downwind to final can be pretty short. When the tower tells someone to "Get in the grass, now", does the company, and insurance take that into consideration? Thank you, in advance
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I caught a Cirrus SR22T today
Ah, they went and screwed up a good thing! Sales will definitely drop now if and when the economy comes back....
I still recall flying a 2019 model. I was very disappointed about the seating. No decent way to adjust your position at all. Also head against the ceiling (I am 6 ft) It felt very detached and uncomfortable. This new technology may be interesting, but maybe it is time to focus a little bit more on ergonomics and the flying experience itself.
A bigger cabin would lead to decreased performance, higher fuel consumption, and higher purchase price. There are many bigger aircraft available, but they are all quite expensive.
@@PepsiMagt You are right, but just the ability to lower or move the seats would be welcome.
Tilt the seat back back one click, plenty of room, still upright.
I'll just stick with my J3 STOL and be happy with that, stick and rudder and fabric are all I need to fly!. It's less than 2k a year to fly minus the fuel and I can do most of my own work!.
A lot of the things the new system can do are really cool, but it does sound very Big Brother-ey.
If it could be entirely the pilot's option who that data goes to, it would be one thing, but do you really want your plane spying on you?
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Tenk so match post videors PARANÁ BRASIL...
Chins's new big brother division can go jump...without a parachute! Deal breaker!
It makes a lot of sense to give a plane a nervous system to tell if it is feeling good. An engine gives off a myriad of vibrations with many subtle details we don't pick up on. It is entirely possible that vibration/sound sensors on the engines will make it possible to predict most if not all engine problems way ahead of time so they never happen. Like a cracked bell has a very different sound so will an engine with loose bolts or a slightly different scraping sound if a piston head is rocking. It could also tell if a propeller is unbalanced and probably if ice is forming on it.
OK ... will all this “tech” result in a meaningful and identifiable reduced insurance cost - at the time of purchase? If so, that would “get potential buyers off the dime” and become purchasers.
And even though the data isn’t being sent *directly* to the FAA, for those “in the know”, the insurance companies exert their “influence” through higher premiums.
This is why a discount that recognizes the tech *must* be offered at signing.
I think it’s time aircraft owners start “pushing back.”
Pushing back requires leverage. And insurance companies have all the leverage, and can set prices almost at will. New technology won't change that.
PepsiMagt there’s one unfailing form of leverage: competition. Let Cessna, Piper or TBM start offering a discounted premium, and watch how the “game” changes.
At its most fundamental level, insurance is risk arbitration for a given market. It is also a form of banking, where benefits are offered in the cost of purchase.
Insurance premiums remain stagnant or “firm” in the small airplane market because no effective competitor enters *and* when risk is not properly calculated, or is using outdated financial models.
This brings me to the CFR 135 market, where the most aggressive “regulators” aren’t necessarily the FAA, but the audit firms.
I submit that Cirrus has already shown the way and has done some of the “heavy lifting.” CFR 91 should follow the “audit path”, and start bringing down the cost of flying.
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Cirrus sells the most popular and one of the most expensive single piston GA aircraft. Why would they want to bring down the cost of flying?
As for insurance, general aviation is a tiny rounding error for the insurance industry. And GA insurance will remain expensive for that reason alone.
PepsiMagt ... hmmm ... that’s not taking the “long”, or strategic view.
Looking at the auto industry, many manufacturers have ceased to operate by adopting that view. The list is long and storied.
To that, I respectfully say “balderdash.” I say to Cirrus, “go for it”, and become the “everyman” aircraft.
.... but then, that’s my own “2-cents.”
@@flitetym General Aviation clearly does not work like the auto-industry, when the most expensive single piston (the cirrus) has a commanding marketshare of 30%. You wouldn't expect an everyman-car from Lamborghini or Ferrari either, would you?
sounds like the beginning of "sucking the fun out of flying"
Absolutely do not like this. Surveillance disguised as convenience. Wonder if Cirrus has a clause in their purchase contract that allows them to deny warranty or service based on your usage data...
Sounds "expecially" horrid. Only non-pilot pilots would want Cirrus for a "co-pilot."
I'll take 2, please.
You'd think they would prioritise a modern engine upfront instead of an app
Always love cirrus
Many airlines and some military have been doing the same thing for years with the FOQA (Flight Operations Quality Assurance) Program. It's been credited with increasing safety and it's easy to see why - if one doesn't fly according to the rules and standards it will rat you out to management. Glad to see the same concept coming to General Aviation and good for Cirrus on leading the way!
No it's not good! Nothing is good on invading privacy of a private flight! What if I fly a plane and crash it by accident and I don't report to insurance company or FAA the plane will do it for me! LOLOLOLOL no thanks, planes are called private jets and planes for privacy!
This just eliminated Cirrus as a contender! Disappointed! I'll stay in the Piper family.
Skynet going active :-D
Flight trial? Its more like "here's me flyin while I listen to the sales pitch" kinda thang...
Fucking hell, at this point I'll just build an RV. That way I can control what goes into it and what it reports to whom.
They need this data to train their IQ/AI data models. This still makes me feel not great w/o having an option to turn it off. But regardless, paying $1m for good looking piston plane, with all the gizmos attached to it is just nuts and they are not going to have me as their "fleet"...
So this is where Adam West went to...
So he describes how they're gonna big brother you, then says they aren't going to big brother you... hmmm
I have referred to the Cirrus as like being in a new Honda Accord versus metal airplanes being like my 67 Mustang convertible with no carpet or door panels.
Big point NOT to buy a “spy”.
That thing is an absolute beauty! I can only imagine how she flies!
I'm not one to advocate for electronic surveillance, but in this case, I'd make an exception. But, it's no matter - I have to ask the price ... and we all know what that means ...😁
Chinese surveillance... I say not to that every time. So should you
Price is 879,000 And you lose your own privacy right!
I would absolutely not be in favor of a plane that “rats me out”. Maintenance tracking is fine, but critiquing my flying technique? No thank you.
$700,000!
If that new system can be disconnected it would be attractive. No way are pilots going to view reporting as a good thing. I rate the idea a Fail. Did the company actually do any market research before running with this idea? Bring back the dumb Cirrus please
Now if I could afford a Cirrus. Hell, I'd even settle for just a pilots license.
No. Just no.
I don't care if I'm a Luddite. Despite obvious advantages this makes me profoundly uncomfortable. It seems like I am not the only one.
Hopefully Cirrus IQ can be legally disabled/enabled at will from the cockpit.
I wouldn't want to be monitored and treated like a forever noob or having someone breathing down my neck if something isn't done by the T.
Larry 165lbs fit
No No on the spying
Nothing out of the ordinary considering that normal Airlines do the same.
Airliners are not personally owned aircraft.
All you have to do is tell the owner the IQ is like their swing coach. It will keep track of everything as they play golf without the coach being there.
Always a few bad apples that ruin it for everyone. If this gets rid of the bad apples it is good for everyone. Bad pilots like bad doctors should be weeded out. Just because someone has money does not mean they should be allowed to fly their own aircraft. The death rate in GA tells me there are way to many non proficient pilots.
ouch... never choose surveillance over safety....
For everyone concerned about Big Brother....cirrus is all about safety safety safety. Don't you want GA to be safer? No need to overreact....unless you're like delivering drugs or something
Funny how an airplane manufacture discloses how and why they are using your data and everyone freaks out. Yet the same people have no idea how much data their phone and computer is collecting and selling to advertisement agencies.
big brother my ass - we are moving past mother-in-law now ....... kinda glad I won't be around that much longer ............ Just Sayin' ........ ;-p
Reporting all that data back to the Chinese government? A plane that rats me out? Complete deal breaker.
Buy this plane and eat your soylent green like an obedient civilian....
cirrus is to airplanes as apple is to iphone
This is what happens when a Chinese company buys Cirrus. Mooney aircraft to follow 🙄 👎🏻
When word gets out more about this little gotcha from Cirrus, can't wait to see what kind of shit storm they'll catch. I like the Cirrus birds, but this is wrong. Engine monitoring ok, but the rest, hell no!
"Bad sound makes good video look bad." (Extreme breath-popping and plosives.)
Better pilots get into accidents too.
Privacy or safety. It's a very futuristic aircraft which serious pilots might like, a black box telling investigators what caused the screwed up.
Jesus this is complete nonsense. I'd take a new or used DA42 NG or VI / used G3/G5 / Mooney Ovation or Acclaim over this new Apple crap any day. You Americans have great aviation, stuff like this will kill it. Spend 20 hours a year on training, it's not really an unaffordable option for someone spending 100 grand or more on a bird. Leave this Chinese level supervision to te Chinese.
Diamond is also owned by the Chinese. If you want certified and American, you're left with Textron (Cessna, Beachcraft) and that's it.
I hope this is optional. Otherwise, major fail.
i m afraid with to guys like this with a big nose potatoes you have to get a lot of oxygen lmao!!
This fascinates me and I think it's an interesting idea. I've worked in commercial aviation for 30+ years and it's safer than ever. If GA wants to be as safe and predictable as the Part 121 carriers, let's copy as much as we can.
For those worried about privacy, you can most likely just turn this off or buy a different airplane.
What is this nonsense? Is the new Chinese Cirrus like Tesla. Disabling features at a push of a button? What's next? The plane wont start until you pay premium avgas and pay 500$ subscription plan?
In my opnion overpriced! 600k thats a fucking house. The thing which makes them so expensive: Th edont mass produce them like cars. Takes a lot of labour. But still overpriced
American’s sure take their ‘freedom’ seriously. All of these negative comments about the systems monitoring?!! Cirrus aren’t trying to take your guns away... although I wish they would! This Aussie is more than happy with Cirrus monitoring and improving my flying and my aircraft management.
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Nope.
@@2011blueman no i was first searching to tab this ☝️so it took to me 10 second
Cirrus are promoting this data mining app as a "benefit", but it is just a snoop fest. The Cirrus is a painfully dull aircraft built for mostly dilettante pilots who are not really very interested in the art of flying and who have more cash than talent or common sense. To be fair safety has improved with better training, but it is still a dull, boring, over-priced aircraft that is about as inspiring to fly as a milk crate with wings. "Our fleet" is NOT your fleet. You make it and someone buys it. It's not a "fleet". What bullshit.