imagine someone like solas was real and alive today, like hercules or achilles were somehow immortal, playing historians, telling everyone how Tennyson got it wrong and Odysseus was actually kindof a dick.
@Connor Lonergan . He will restore them actually, however, he seems to have a plan to get rid of them, one that will surely backfire, as anything Solas. does.
@@oldfrend It's even bigger than that. Yea, he's immortal and has trouble recognizing mortals as even people until the Inquisitor if they're at least friendly. He created the Veil and cut the world off from the Fade. That's kind of equivalent as making everyone in the world deaf or blind...how he must pity all those around him for not seeing the beautiful world he had to destroy.
When I first played this, I never understood why Solas was so extremely salty throughout this whole bit. Then Trespasser came and it all fell into place.
@@eastbow6053 Yup, that's Solas. He doesn't lie, he just neglects to offer you massive revelations that would change everything you understand about the world and its history.
Well that was young Kratos, and from what we know young Solas and he would agree that it's easy. However, you can look at both of them now and see Kratos would agree with Solas' words. It's a sentiment born of experience same as Kratos getting mad that Atreus killed Modi.
@@roberthighsmith3192 after all he warned the little shit boyo of starting a war with the pantheon of asgard Kratos : There are consequences to killing a god!
I can see why Falon'din became revered as the shepherd of the dead. I can literally see the misconceptions and the propaganda from the real events mixing. If Falon'din was as bloodthirsty as he seemed, his people must have seen him as bringing glory by killing those he deemed to kill. An impetus to revere death caused by him leads to a misconception that he himself shepherded death.
So lay man’s interpretation. Falon’din was so vain(proud of his abilities or appearance or accomplishments) that he started wars to amass more followers(lets be real this means slaves) He looked to Mythals people for his new slaves, but mythal rallied some or all the other evanuris against him(solas for sure being one of them). He only surrendered when his fellow “gods” bloodied him(this does not mean killed, i doubt he is dead) in his temple(one assumes his version-of the temple of mythal.)
I take it to mean at least limbs being fucked up, or maybe even loss of corporeal vessel (at least temporarily), and after he surrendered, I assume he was yeeted into some "god"-tier cell as an outcome
@@skebaba918 nuh his father and siblings just told him that he was bad boy and left him alone after they roughed him up a bit, his mother mythal probably wanted to skin the little shait
something tells me that solas's great rebellion against the evanuris looks to be riped straight out of asura's wrath. only for his ending and eventual triumph of the false gods to be concluded much bitterly and desparingly
I suspect that we will see them. I imagine that them (or at least one of them) will be the next antagonist after Solas. I imagine that Solas will free them, his plan to "deal with them" will fail and they'll escape back into the world with Solas realizing that he's just made a big fucking mistake.
i one way or another found weapons named for Falon'Din every time I:ve played Dragon Age: Origins and Dragon Age II is there a weapon named of him in Inquisition?
I'm just slightly bothered that the VA notes did not specify on a unified pronunciation of 'Falon'Din'. It used to be Falohn-Deen, but even Solas says 'Falen-Din' here.
The dalish stories have spread far and wide, branching into innumerable interpretations. They lost all their history and culture. They have fragments of fragments to go on. Different pronunciations isn’t unlikely. It’s the same as how we have different pronunciations of names in Greek and Roman mythology.
Right?? This temple's beautiful, but how much the writers overlooked a Dalish elf who's literal entire life is shaped by following their gods knowing anything about Those Gods was uhhhhhhhh bad
@@IrisGlowingBlue I think its less overlooking more that they had to do it for the player and so that a lot of these interactions weren't wasted. It's an issue with rpgs like dragon age and mass effect where most of the time your character would know most things about the world but you've got to let the player know. Like in mass effect where Shepherd doesn't seem to know anything about the protheans despite his whole world revolving round prothean technology. Or if you're a dwarven noble in dragon age origins you've still got to ask everyone about dwraven customs and history
That last one was so random and personal. 😅 I said "not sensible" what's this about him being stubborn and vain? Solas: ...isn't that what your stories also tell? 😳
After seeing him in Veilguard Im surprised that he managed to stay less salty than I expected. You can truly tell he still hasnt the full confidence bc he lacks his powers.
I love Solas (not the romance way, all-elfy romance is boring af, plus he killed Felassan and that is unforgivable)! And he is right, if the natural order is not restored, then the problems will only grow with time. I think demons appeared only after the veil, as spirits were corrupted by their desire to go to the physical world and were not able to do so anymore. And the Blight will never be finally defeated if the veil exists, because it will still survive in the fade in the black city. And as is known it already got once from the black city to the physical world, so it can do so again. I think the entities which spoke to tevinter magisters in their dreams and enticed them to go to the black city, were not old gods, but Evanuris, pretending to be old tevinter gods. They wanted magisters to bring Blight to physical world for some reason. The only way the blight and Evanuris can be really defeated is if the veil is torn down. So Solas is right
That's a good theory, but it doesn't explain why only certain dragons become Archdemons. I think the Tevinter Old gods were their own entities, especially given how Mythal (Flemeth) takes the soul of Urthemiel from Keiran if you performed the Ritual with Morrigan. As for your point about Solas being right about tearing down the Veil to destroy the Evanuris and the Blight, one could argue that a "Templar" solution (to cut the world off from the Fade entirely) would be a better one, as the Blight and the Evanuris would be trapped forever in the Fade (as well as Demons) and there would be no more magic in the world. A lot of suffering and a lot of cataclysms were the product of magical misuse, some would argue that getting rid of it entirely would be the best course of action. No more Blight, no more Spirits, no more Mages, ergo, no more Circles. Personally, I think there's some level of truth to all the faiths in the Dragon Age world, but that time and mortality caused deviations from the truth. The Titans existed and created the Dwarves, so the Stone is a real thing. The Tevinter Old gods and the Evanuris: real things. Now all we need is the Maker himself to show his hand in the story.
@@LAZERAK47V2 there is a theory that the dragons in the old road are “keys” helping keep the veil up or the evanuris contained. For each archdemon created by the blight the spell holding the doors closed to the evanuris might be getting opened more and more and as such it was in their favor to bring blight to the world to corrupt those keys.
@@Ryanfinder226 That makes A LOT of sense. This could be why Solas is so salty about the Grey Wardens obsession of defeating all the Archdemons and the fact they truly have no idea what they're doing. I personally believe the dragons that become the Archdemons are the dragon avatars of the Evanuris. Similar to how Corypheus had his dragon as a separate entity and one he could almost merged with. Solas seemed to know and understand how Corypheus was able to do this, in my opinion because it was old elven magic that the Evanuris used.
@@andrewvincent7299 That would make sense, however .. we need to take into account that these dragons wished to be tainted by blight it seems ? They tricked Magisters to bring Blight back with them, but then immidiately fell silent. All of them. We know that Dumat became blighted first, and Tevinter reportedly stated that ALL Old Gods suddenly fell silent, be it slightly before first of them got tainted or afterwards of him becoming tainted. The dragons wanted Blight back into Thedas for some reason, and to become blighted .. but I don't think they thought of Gray Warden's existance that destroys them. If whole point was to die permanently .. why would they want to become blighted since technically they can't die this way ? They just jump around into next blighted body. Jumping to full fledged ghoul or darkspawn won't kill them. It will just make them reborn. Whole plan couldn't rely on mortals finally devising Gray Warden's on their own. Maybe whole plan was to make Thedas as Blighted as Gold City is ? And that could be some way of return of Evanuris ? Plus Mythal had guarding dragon, it is possible that Old Gods are old guarding dragons of respective Evanuris. It certainly would correspond that each of them was more intelligent, capable of communicating with mortal - like dragon of Mythal does - and each of them claimed to represent some traits and symbolism. That's why I think Urthamiel could have been related to Falon'Din, I mean even Magister of Urthamiel's full title "The Architect of Beauty" sounds like peak of vanity. Simialarly I think Chaos Dragon was Andruil as in myths Andruil is pretty mad woman. Fully capable of chaotic evil deeds. It's just .. something is still missing. It was never said that Dumat or darkspawn gave idea of Warden to mortals, so the dragons wanted to be free and undyingly blighted ? And we are told that souls are destroyed if they jump to Gray Warden body due to clash. Certainly Warden's is, but I don't recall hearing how soul of dragon survives - maybe it does some way, maybe Mythal collected carefully previous souls too. Maybe Sera indeed carries in herself Andruil's soul. Morrigan's dark ritual is only known way to preserve purified soul of these Old Gods.
So... Falon'Din is one of the two evanuris antagonists in "Dragon Age: The Veilguard" right? I feel like him being mentioned here is setting up for that.
@@squares4u I theorize that somehow they are all tied to Old Tevinter Gods. I guess if Falon'Din was vain .. maybe he was tied to Urthamiel ? And therefore with dragon gone, the link for return is severed ? We only get two Evanuris getting out and that matches amount of Old Gods still being around in slumber. Though I am not sure how Razikale and Luscan correspond to Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain.
@@cracmar03 Your theory is right, i also had this theory about Black City and the Magisters who went there way back before Veilguard comes out, and turns out it's all confirmed by the game itself 😅though i kinda wish my theory was wrong
He had to stop himself before he was like “and the cheap bastard still owes me 15 gold too.”
Your comment is genius, just made my day thanks 😂
Solas: that bastard owes me several hundred ales
Solas: Falon'din it's been 3000 years you still owe me 15 gold.
Falon'din: F*ck off.
@@sharprevan9878 Solas: don't make me call Andruil, again
Knowing Solas he probably put an interest rate too
I love how Solas is this super secretive, deep-cover webspinner, but then he comes here and his drive to bitch about his former peers overpowers him.
Solas: he massacre people he’s such a monsters... now give me a year so i can destroy the world to restore the old gods
imagine someone like solas was real and alive today, like hercules or achilles were somehow immortal, playing historians, telling everyone how Tennyson got it wrong and Odysseus was actually kindof a dick.
@@oldfrend Well... he was kind of a dick... beating common people, killing his rivals, faking mental illness... committing adultery.
@Connor Lonergan . He will restore them actually, however, he seems to have a plan to get rid of them, one that will surely backfire, as anything Solas. does.
@@oldfrend It's even bigger than that. Yea, he's immortal and has trouble recognizing mortals as even people until the Inquisitor if they're at least friendly. He created the Veil and cut the world off from the Fade. That's kind of equivalent as making everyone in the world deaf or blind...how he must pity all those around him for not seeing the beautiful world he had to destroy.
Everyone there: oh yeah, we worshipped him.
Solas: Ugh, that piece of crap....
Nice. 😆
When I first played this, I never understood why Solas was so extremely salty throughout this whole bit. Then Trespasser came and it all fell into place.
Yeah, imagine if you woke up millennia from now, and discovered that all of the worst actors in history were being praised as benevolent gods.
@@MasteringJohn And it's basically your own fault xD
@@MasteringJohn That's a terrifying thought!
@@Hjalmar_an_Craite How is that his fault? They were treated as gods before...
Can you imagine the ones who didn´t play the dlc in DA:I in dragon age 4? "U WOT M8"
"One does not lightly kill a god, Inquisitor." THE FORESHADOWING. Ready for DA4, my people?
FUCK YEAAA I'M READY WOOOOOO
That's a quote that i hope they have him say at some point in Dreadwolf [the confirmed name for DA4].
WHAT IS A GOD TO A NON BELIEVER SOLAS
Oh... This aged well...
Indeed!
That is the most cursed party selection i've ever seen
Why?
@@ariemugisatriaji8928 An all-mage party with 3 people who all disagree with eachother on almost everything, thats asking for chaos
Listening to them all argue is so annoying omg
I think I brought these three specifically to annoy them all by asking them to drink from the well. lol
@@piesoup ngl that sounds pretty funny, I have to try this sometime
Solas: That guy was a dick
Inquisitor: And you know this how?
Solas:
"Saw it in the fade."
@@OneOnOne1162 Solas's go-to excuse for everything.
@@Rhysdux well technically its true because everything he did in his life before the veil was... in the fade
@@eastbow6053 Good point! :)
@@eastbow6053 Yup, that's Solas. He doesn't lie, he just neglects to offer you massive revelations that would change everything you understand about the world and its history.
Everyone: Solas know ABOUT them
Solas: Oh uhm I knew them personally lol but yeah let's act like I just studied those idiots
Solas: "One does not lightly kill a God, Inquisitor."
Kratos: Boy. Hold my Lemnean wine.
Well that was young Kratos, and from what we know young Solas and he would agree that it's easy.
However, you can look at both of them now and see Kratos would agree with Solas' words. It's a sentiment born of experience same as Kratos getting mad that Atreus killed Modi.
Kratos did that and it destroyed his world.
@@roberthighsmith3192 after all he warned the little shit boyo of starting a war with the pantheon of asgard
Kratos : There are consequences to killing a god!
Kratos has never killed a god lightly.
He only ever does it as hard as possible.
I can see why Falon'din became revered as the shepherd of the dead. I can literally see the misconceptions and the propaganda from the real events mixing.
If Falon'din was as bloodthirsty as he seemed, his people must have seen him as bringing glory by killing those he deemed to kill. An impetus to revere death caused by him leads to a misconception that he himself shepherded death.
or he was using necromancy
So lay man’s interpretation.
Falon’din was so vain(proud of his abilities or appearance or accomplishments) that he started wars to amass more followers(lets be real this means slaves)
He looked to Mythals people for his new slaves, but mythal rallied some or all the other evanuris against him(solas for sure being one of them).
He only surrendered when his fellow “gods” bloodied him(this does not mean killed, i doubt he is dead) in his temple(one assumes his version-of the temple of mythal.)
I take it to mean at least limbs being fucked up, or maybe even loss of corporeal vessel (at least temporarily), and after he surrendered, I assume he was yeeted into some "god"-tier cell as an outcome
@@skebaba918 nuh his father and siblings just told him that he was bad boy and left him alone after they roughed him up a bit, his mother mythal probably wanted to skin the little shait
something tells me that solas's great rebellion against the evanuris looks to be riped straight out of asura's wrath. only for his ending and eventual triumph of the false gods to be concluded much bitterly and desparingly
"Yes, I believe they did" of course you do dear Solas :)))))))
I hope we see at least one of the old Elven “Gods” in DA4, Falon’Din seems like he’d be kinda scary.
Edit: They’re coming. Badass
Oooh boy! Wait till we get to see Ghilan'nain! She's the textbook definition of a Lovecraftian monster!
I suspect that we will see them. I imagine that them (or at least one of them) will be the next antagonist after Solas. I imagine that Solas will free them, his plan to "deal with them" will fail and they'll escape back into the world with Solas realizing that he's just made a big fucking mistake.
Yeah the veil is holding them back, so if solas succeeds even partially, some or all of them could both become free and bosses we have to fight
Chances are Solas will be in Dreadwolf, so at the very lest you have Fen'Harel
Killing elves is what we do
i one way or another found weapons named for Falon'Din every time I:ve played Dragon Age: Origins and Dragon Age II is there a weapon named of him in Inquisition?
I'm just slightly bothered that the VA notes did not specify on a unified pronunciation of 'Falon'Din'. It used to be Falohn-Deen, but even Solas says 'Falen-Din' here.
Might be that Falohn-Deen is a mispronunciation by the Dalish, who have forgotten their history and that Solas's pronunciation is the correct way.
The way Solas pronounces his name makes it seem like he knew him personally which is an excellent detail
The dalish stories have spread far and wide, branching into innumerable interpretations. They lost all their history and culture. They have fragments of fragments to go on. Different pronunciations isn’t unlikely. It’s the same as how we have different pronunciations of names in Greek and Roman mythology.
Nothing different from the Ancient Greeks calling their top god as Zeus while in Roman Empire, he's known as Jupiter.
@@burnedpotatoes720 Except Greeks are not Romans but elves are elves.
my elven first: tf is this???
Right?? This temple's beautiful, but how much the writers overlooked a Dalish elf who's literal entire life is shaped by following their gods knowing anything about Those Gods was uhhhhhhhh bad
@@IrisGlowingBlue I think its less overlooking more that they had to do it for the player and so that a lot of these interactions weren't wasted.
It's an issue with rpgs like dragon age and mass effect where most of the time your character would know most things about the world but you've got to let the player know.
Like in mass effect where Shepherd doesn't seem to know anything about the protheans despite his whole world revolving round prothean technology. Or if you're a dwarven noble in dragon age origins you've still got to ask everyone about dwraven customs and history
Probably not the first of his/her class though😅
@user-eg8xs6jt1v If you play as a mage, you are your Keeper's First.
How I miss this level of nitty-gritty detail from something you just find in passing.
That last one was so random and personal. 😅
I said "not sensible" what's this about him being stubborn and vain?
Solas: ...isn't that what your stories also tell? 😳
Claudia Black.. not many female voices manage to make the hair on my arms stand up. Hers does. Every time.
Post-Veilguard, I'm wondering if Dirthamen was born from Falon'Din fracturing after the other Evanuris "bloodied him in his own temple."
1:43 jee I wonder who that also sounds like hmmm
After seeing him in Veilguard Im surprised that he managed to stay less salty than I expected.
You can truly tell he still hasnt the full confidence bc he lacks his powers.
I didn't get this conversation at all, because those damn cues are shitty.
I love Solas (not the romance way, all-elfy romance is boring af, plus he killed Felassan and that is unforgivable)! And he is right, if the natural order is not restored, then the problems will only grow with time. I think demons appeared only after the veil, as spirits were corrupted by their desire to go to the physical world and were not able to do so anymore.
And the Blight will never be finally defeated if the veil exists, because it will still survive in the fade in the black city. And as is known it already got once from the black city to the physical world, so it can do so again. I think the entities which spoke to tevinter magisters in their dreams and enticed them to go to the black city, were not old gods, but Evanuris, pretending to be old tevinter gods. They wanted magisters to bring Blight to physical world for some reason. The only way the blight and Evanuris can be really defeated is if the veil is torn down. So Solas is right
That's a good theory, but it doesn't explain why only certain dragons become Archdemons. I think the Tevinter Old gods were their own entities, especially given how Mythal (Flemeth) takes the soul of Urthemiel from Keiran if you performed the Ritual with Morrigan.
As for your point about Solas being right about tearing down the Veil to destroy the Evanuris and the Blight, one could argue that a "Templar" solution (to cut the world off from the Fade entirely) would be a better one, as the Blight and the Evanuris would be trapped forever in the Fade (as well as Demons) and there would be no more magic in the world.
A lot of suffering and a lot of cataclysms were the product of magical misuse, some would argue that getting rid of it entirely would be the best course of action. No more Blight, no more Spirits, no more Mages, ergo, no more Circles.
Personally, I think there's some level of truth to all the faiths in the Dragon Age world, but that time and mortality caused deviations from the truth. The Titans existed and created the Dwarves, so the Stone is a real thing. The Tevinter Old gods and the Evanuris: real things.
Now all we need is the Maker himself to show his hand in the story.
@@LAZERAK47V2 there is a theory that the dragons in the old road are “keys” helping keep the veil up or the evanuris contained. For each archdemon created by the blight the spell holding the doors closed to the evanuris might be getting opened more and more and as such it was in their favor to bring blight to the world to corrupt those keys.
@@Ryanfinder226 That makes A LOT of sense. This could be why Solas is so salty about the Grey Wardens obsession of defeating all the Archdemons and the fact they truly have no idea what they're doing. I personally believe the dragons that become the Archdemons are the dragon avatars of the Evanuris. Similar to how Corypheus had his dragon as a separate entity and one he could almost merged with. Solas seemed to know and understand how Corypheus was able to do this, in my opinion because it was old elven magic that the Evanuris used.
@@andrewvincent7299 That would make sense, however .. we need to take into account that these dragons wished to be tainted by blight it seems ? They tricked Magisters to bring Blight back with them, but then immidiately fell silent. All of them. We know that Dumat became blighted first, and Tevinter reportedly stated that ALL Old Gods suddenly fell silent, be it slightly before first of them got tainted or afterwards of him becoming tainted.
The dragons wanted Blight back into Thedas for some reason, and to become blighted .. but I don't think they thought of Gray Warden's existance that destroys them. If whole point was to die permanently .. why would they want to become blighted since technically they can't die this way ? They just jump around into next blighted body. Jumping to full fledged ghoul or darkspawn won't kill them. It will just make them reborn.
Whole plan couldn't rely on mortals finally devising Gray Warden's on their own. Maybe whole plan was to make Thedas as Blighted as Gold City is ? And that could be some way of return of Evanuris ? Plus Mythal had guarding dragon, it is possible that Old Gods are old guarding dragons of respective Evanuris. It certainly would correspond that each of them was more intelligent, capable of communicating with mortal - like dragon of Mythal does - and each of them claimed to represent some traits and symbolism.
That's why I think Urthamiel could have been related to Falon'Din, I mean even Magister of Urthamiel's full title "The Architect of Beauty" sounds like peak of vanity. Simialarly I think Chaos Dragon was Andruil as in myths Andruil is pretty mad woman. Fully capable of chaotic evil deeds.
It's just .. something is still missing. It was never said that Dumat or darkspawn gave idea of Warden to mortals, so the dragons wanted to be free and undyingly blighted ? And we are told that souls are destroyed if they jump to Gray Warden body due to clash. Certainly Warden's is, but I don't recall hearing how soul of dragon survives - maybe it does some way, maybe Mythal collected carefully previous souls too. Maybe Sera indeed carries in herself Andruil's soul. Morrigan's dark ritual is only known way to preserve purified soul of these Old Gods.
So... Falon'Din is one of the two evanuris antagonists in "Dragon Age: The Veilguard" right? I feel like him being mentioned here is setting up for that.
Sadly no. Just Elgar’nan and Ghilan’nain.
@@GarethOfByzantium are we sure Falon’Din won’t make an appearance?
@@squares4u Doesn’t seem likely.
@@squares4u I theorize that somehow they are all tied to Old Tevinter Gods. I guess if Falon'Din was vain .. maybe he was tied to Urthamiel ? And therefore with dragon gone, the link for return is severed ? We only get two Evanuris getting out and that matches amount of Old Gods still being around in slumber. Though I am not sure how Razikale and Luscan correspond to Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain.
@@cracmar03 Your theory is right, i also had this theory about Black City and the Magisters who went there way back before Veilguard comes out, and turns out it's all confirmed by the game itself 😅though i kinda wish my theory was wrong
We know now
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