PlayStation 4 Pro Review: The First 4K Games Console?
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- Best watched at 1080p in full-screen mode. Rich and the team put the Pro's 4K credentials to the test. Can it handle ultra HD, or is it really more of a 1440p machine? We'll have more detailed hardware analysis soon, but you can get a preview by reading our web review: www.eurogamer.n...
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Richard is your shirt a checkerboard rendering?
ofek 1 lmao
ofek 1 obviously flannel upscaling
checked his checkerboard rendering still wondering why it render d him useless!!
haahahah
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I'd rather have 1440p 60fps than 30fps 4k... Hopefully some developers can achieve that.
same here, granted i'm happy with 30fps it's playable, what really bothers me is inconsistent frame rate, but i would give up a bit of resolution for 60fps anyways
megamanx503. I agree man, I hate that some games have inconsistent 30fps locks.
Spooktacular Wheatley there aren't any 1440p TVs
Pemphro and that's a shame, but unfortunately it's something we have to deal with
Pemphro. 4k TV's in the future will get cheaper and allow all people to own them. Right now it is not viable to seek out 4k due to its irrelevance to gamers (might change in a year or two). 1440p can then be a small factor for those who have 4k TV's, while 1080p 60fps would be the main selling point of the PS4 Pro (my ideal projection of what the console should have been).
No better performance on existing games defeats the purpose of an upgrade. If I upgrade my GPU on my PC, all my games automatically run better.
No kidding sony higher ups ideals are killing there profit by dumb executions...
anticomuna Every game releasing after the pro will get support.
anticomuna That's the thing for me too, it's just stupid. Games like Until Dawn drop into the teens on PS4 but Pro would be able to run it at the target 30fps which would be a big improvement. I only use my console for exclusives but if they all ran better out of the gate I would have upgraded.
anticomuna 40 existing games are already getting imporvement patches on day one .....
Nonsense the whole purpose of PS4 pro is better graphics. If you let one game have better perfomance on the Pro than the base you give the pro games an advantage and basically say f.. you to the PS4 gamers. Not so costumer friendly is it? But we know that Microsoft has often enough shown that they don't give a shit about costumers. I mean ok if the power is used to hit the target better like, if both games are supposed to be 60 fps and PS4 base drops sometimes to ~55fps. You could use the Pro power to hold it little more stable at 60fps. Also some games in offline mode can have higher fps that is also not any of a big issue. But the moment it get's to online gaming the fps need to be clocked the same. Otherwise pro gamers will have an advantage and it would build a 2 class community.
Best youtube channel reviews
Absolutely, they really know what they are talking about!
they know what they are saying and they have no bs or commercials, just information.. that's why it's my favorite hardware/software channel
Maicol Vieira - Yeah, it has no bs at all, although, why is it that the PS4 ALWAYS wins against the Xbox One? Weird right? They always boost up Sony in their videos, also, they're talking about the native 4K resolution in the PS4 Pro.. yeah, but wait! The guy that designed the PS4 said that 6 Teraflops are not enough to render 4K.. mocking the Scorpio.. yeah.. Hey, doesn't the PS4 Pro has 4.2 Teraflops or so?... Mmm, yeah, no bs huh? This channel is shit people, open your eyes..
VexX bc they are people out there who will make the comparison regardless plus to know if a product is well worth your money comparisons need to be noted sadly; by paper specs Pro ain't that impressive now it is what you do with the software to enhance up to the developers not really Sony & price point on the their business side of things, it's very smart if you look at it from that point of view, I'll say go read Cerny interview about it & Scorpio is supposed to be 8 teraflops based on the leak information & now that Sony came out 1st will give Microsoft the upper hand to build a better system that they originally intended yet Sony can use this as test run to enhance their systems I'll wait a year I imagine by then 4k should be better work out with both systems out as of now these seems to be going in the right direction; 4k cost effective for now.
VexX its not 4k its #PhonyK lol
Give me 60 fps Bloodborne and I might pick this up.
Doo_liss This.
Doo_liss You will but 1080p only
UC23 King Conor Devotee Um.... No. I'll just adjust to 1080/30fps on my ps4 till a pro patch is released. I'll trade in my OG ps4 for a pro in an instant if that happens
I'm gonna be a bit more conservative, give me 30fps with no framepacing issues
***** well, I'm fine if they fix the frame pacing issues. 60fps would be preferable though
doesn't even have a handle. I'll stick to the Gamecube
Can't even do a 1080p solid 60fps, why even talk about 4k?
Thank you!
You clearly didn't pay attention to the video.
He didn't even watch it.
dude he said you can unlock fps for some games... meaning some will get the 60fps still want my gta v 60fps!
Unlocked framerates aren't always a good idea without some sort of adaptive sync technology (even then frame time variance can't be too high between individual frames).
OMG PS4 PRO THAT COSTS 400 € CAN'T RUN GAMES AS FAST AS MY 1500 € PC. LETS SPREAD THE NEWS PEOPLE! WHAT COSTS ALMOST 4 TIMES MORE IS BETTER! UNBELIEVABLE!
FERRARI TRUMPS BMW!
I Taper I That's plainly not true, you need a $300 video card to even get close to matching the pro.
if you do research you will notice that a pc with same price outperfoms a ps4 pro a lot by cpu, ram and storage space like having the os on a ssd
people are too lazy to build their own pc so they prefer to pay 100$ more instead.
EPIC $250 GAMING PC! - $250 Budget Build Showdown
that pc outperforms ps4. You are welcome
You'd need a good RX470/480.
They are arround 200 bucks msrp
A bit more retail (Don't ask me why we pay more then msrp)
Still. can't buy a
case
Processor
PSU
8gb of DDR4
Motherboard
Input devices
Windows license
For the remaining
I want 60fps in EVERY fucking game! And not FUCKING 4K!!!
Preach!
Taelan Baylor What's a 60 fps smartphone? :)
calm down mate didtn u watch the video he said its for budget if u really wanna 60fps and 4k then u might wanna buy a gaming pc or w8 for x-box Scorpio which wont cost less than $600!!!
Buy a pc and play 4k@60fps.
win win
Its not even 4K
Why did the console peasant cross the road? To render the buildings on the other side.
Mac Canma explain how someone who doesn't want to game on a PC, but instead their choice of console, is a peasant?
Don't take the troll bait ;)
its because you just take what your console masters give you with no real choice thats why they call you peasants were as the pc guys think they are free to play as they please thats my understanding of it anyway though i could be wrong
Why did the PC gamer cross the road? To get away from the broken ports.
Sevuz I'm not taking it lol. I just find them sad 🤔
cant even run tomb raider in 60 frames. top kek sony ponys
Get a life.
Jae C XBL is the same price. stop laughing
Jae C how old are you? you just wrote a paragraph
>4k 30fps
>1080p 60fps
>1080p 30fps w/better visuals
take off your xbox goggles
Gaming and Music Trash but not at 4k which is a joke
People complain that the Xbox One and PS4 upscale games from 720p or 900p to 1080p... Yet when the 'pro' upscales non 4k resolution to 4k, people turn a blind eye. *smh*
That's because 1080p was pretty much a requirement in 2013, since everybody already owned 1080p tvs, which cannot be said for 4k in 2016 you moron.
Fick Dich 4k tvs are not common, it's pretty much still 1080p now.
crativ3 because it looks very close to 4K
that's what is he saying.
Pemphro
yes, and upscaled 1080p looks very close to 1080p, yet it aint 1080p is it...
I seen the ps4 pro running uncharted 4 and the graphics were the best i have ever seen. Thats coming from a pc gamer with over 200 games and a awesome pc. 100% buying the pro.
TestedModz stfu you lying pos
Good for you !
Help me please. I have a 55 4k hdr tv and the original ps4. Already looks good compared to my hd ready tv. So will i see a huge difference if i upgrade to pro? Im worried i may burned my cash for nothing if the difference is too minimal
ObsoleteMule I went from an x1 to an Xbox one x. And it's pretty stunning and a massive leap.
lol xbox fanboys having a nervous breakdown. have fun playing 720p games on your gaybox lel
lol
YakuZa uhhhh People still fighting about console wars?!
《X-RAGENATOR》is that a surprise?
Have fun playing at 30 fps.
so will ps4 fanboys get nervous breakdown in 12months when the scorpio will be released?
Iam a High End PC Gaming Enthusiast But Frankly for its price , sony exclusives , and optimized games such what they have done with Uncharted 4 = It is A Good Deal to play on a 55 inch 4k HDR TV. Just Ordered the Flagship TV of the Year - 55 Inch Samsung KS 9500.
What are you, 12?
Mr. Ihab Issa how much does it cost?
Mr. Ihab Issa sure you are Punjab lmao you work for Sony of India just stop it you shill!
Sony exclusives are the worst of the market, they all look great, but once you play is like... really? Ps4 has barely 2 worthwhile exclusives.
Good Night Moon
Keep telling yourself that, buddy. Whatever makes you feel better.
Sony has convinced me to wait 12 months and get an Xbox Scorpio. Good job :)
Samuel Herrera What if the world ends in 12 months lol. You will be missing it. live for the day and get ps4 pro now and get xbox scorpio later. f*** the money. Its all about fun.
korgpa4x korg How is the PS4 Pro any more "fun" than the current consoles?
Samuel Herrera Cuz pixels and resolution make games more fun, obviously
/s
This adds nothing to the conversation. Nobody really cares if you'll wait for the Scorpio or not.
Why buy a Scorpio when all Xbox exclusives are gonna be on PC?
I feel as if Sony was caught completely off-guard by Scorpio's alleged power but were too late to stop production.
AmbigiousAcronyms exactly right
No. The Scorpio is basically a next gen console. The Pro is just a boost for the PS4 to have the ability to support 4k gaming
I feel like they don't care since they'll have at least a year headstart with sales...
teamracing07, acording to phil, the scorpio is just an xbox one with 4k native support. same family as xbox one, stop using that argument to defend the poor power of ps4 pro
I DragoN "poor" power lmao, If Pro was 2 flops and scorpio was 4 tflops you would have not said anything
ps4 to ps4 pro is a bigger graphical jump than gamecube (480p, 2001) to switch (720p, 2017).
keep telling yourself that
Daldra nintendo fan boy triggered by truth
ResistanceForever yeah true, its also a bigger graphical jump than the GameCube to the Wii.
the switch runs at a lower clock when on handheld mode to save battery and avoid heat, so it will probably switch to 1080p when on tv
Not it absolutely isn't.
The Gamecube has a 9 GFLOPS GPU, the Switch will have something at ~1000 GFLOPS. The switch is 100x more powerful than a Gamecube. The PS4 Pro is 2x more powerful than a PS4.
I guess Sony is really hoping that enough gullable people will buy into this. I have a ps4 right now and by the sound of it this looks like a half ass upgrade.
Agreed. It''s good for guys like me that never got the PS4. I actually would have paid the classic PS3 "fat" price of $600
if it would have had a 4K bluray player.
Alex Serrano it's a ps4.5 not a ps5 so don't expect to wow factor
TheScotchaholic I paid 600 us dollars for a ps3 back I'n 2006 because it was worth it. but this half baked cake that sony calls ps4 pro I will never buy.
Jojo werty
I'm still using my PS3 fat. Next gen gaming has become pathetic with all the nickel and diming tactics and patching.
PC gaming has also been retarded as well with constant patches, poor ports, and needs for constant tower upgrades.
PS3 fat in my opinion will, go down as one of the best well rounded pieces of consumer electronics for gaming and audio/video use.
It ushered in the hi-def format of bluray, is backwards compatible, and various memory options, and great codecs for sound quality for those with good A//V receivers.
TheScotchaholic yes when the ps3 first came out it was truly a technological piece of hardware ahead of its time, as you say even until today ps3 still holds up.
So it can"t do 1080p 60fps solid but you are talking about 4k ?
4k isn't that difficult. Since the GPU only has to render a higher resolution, which might come at the cost of lower details/shadows/etc. It only stresses the GPU more.
However, the min-fps are a complete different story. Without a better CPU, you won't hit them. If the CPU isn't fast enough to render 60 fps in a certain Game, then you won't get smooth 60 fps.
Maintaining 30 fps is MUCH easier for the CPU than 60 fps.
Just like on the PC; maintaining 144 fps for example is much easier for an i7, than it is on an i5.
isn't that difficult?, i cant even play at 60 frames in rise of the tomb rider or crysis 3 at 1080p with all maxed out with an r9 390x, only titan x pascal can archieve 60 frames at 4k with some graphics settings turned to medium, ohh, and it cost 1200 USD....
westbrighton I think the manufacturers are not getting it right with current gen, yet they are trying to evolve again! PS4 and Xbone both need to be hitting native 1080p at 60fps consistently. This is not too much to ask, and should be the standard we play at. Once they have that sorted, then you can start looking at 4k. They are trying to fly before they can even hover or float.
In fact as soon as you move from 1080p to 4k the main bottleneck is not the CPU, but the GPU, as it's been shown in many CPU/GPU benchmarks.
+Luxor Cephren it's sooo truee. Idek who they marketing this for. More consumers were asking for 1080p 60fps than 4k this generation...
Are you fucking kidding me, the CPU will go to 1.6Ghz in standard PS4 mode as well? There goes the chance for playing Bloodborne without frame pacing issues.
MGsubbie - You know as they say; git gud.
If the devs don't patch the game yes, but if patched, u will see increased performance
It's not about git gud, it's about being able to play the game smoothly. Remember the pain that Blighttown was on DS1 on consoles?
Santiago R. I remember the pain that was Blighttown, I also remember playing through it and completing the game despite of it.
Same goes for Bloodborne, a few frame drops here and there didn't stop me from completing the game.
luckymouse1988
"A few"
So basically only last gen PS3 games can hit 4K 👍🏻🙈
at 30 fps, or 60 with dynamic resolution scaling
Not only, Ni-oH has 4k-30fps/1080-60fps modes on Pro. NBA2K, Pro Evolution and Bound are all native 4K 60 though there's enhancements for this one in VR.
Ni-Oh started as a first gen ps3 game (still looks like a ps3 game), Bound doesn't have much going on technically (has a great aesthetic though). As for NBA and PES being 4k/60fps, pretty impressive if they pull it off.
yes or new games but with poor graphs, mobile games etc... 4k IS A FAKE in PS4 pro.
lddlmurphy ps3 games 4k @ 30fps. Ps4 pro in a nutshell
I'll wait for the PS5 Pro for 4K 32fps
32fps omg faceplant you derp
+ | Taper |
*PS7: 4K 60fps, PC settings from 5 - 8 year old games.
4k would probably be out dated by the time the PS5 comes out.
Or wait for the scorpio.
ark13700 ps5 = only last gen ps4 games finally running at native 4k@30fps
Sony completely fucked up by not having an option to let the PS4 Pro run non-patched titles with the overclocked CPU and GPU components. I was thinking of buying this but I'm just going to go with a new PC instead.
Me too! This is bullshit! Who was this console made for? the same dumbass people who saw the new Ghostbusters?
Now you know why PC gamers get really pissed off when some console-focused developers lock the frame rate and don't give proper graphics options on their PC version.
+elecjack1 True. I have a newfound understanding for you guys. Really sucks when you feel as though potential isn't being utilized.
Totally agree with you there man, WTF with that...
Got pissed on Sony aswell.. These tactics are all againts their customers and I don't wanna support them anymore in that. I've already build my new PC and I don't regret a penny I've put into it. :-) Really recommend it to you.
Sony should have concentrated in the 1080p and 60fps benefits while also improving textures and details. The 4k stuff is still too early for consoles imo. I'm getting a Pro because it'll be my first PS4 but I wish they had targeted non 4k as that is what most people have.
Its rocking an APU with bobcat cores and a 7850 this means unless they tone back the future games LOD, and the rest well dont expect to be seeing native 1080p 60 fps in the future the console already proves it cant do it, by its use of switching the res on the fly something the 360 did with HALO 3 and Reach to keep it at 30 fps.
That's not how marketing works tho
There is a boost mode for games.. Which pushes the fps count to most likely 40-60
Expecting the comments section to be filled with hate and derogatory comments from the PC Master Race that only loves to point out everyone else is a peasant for wanting or owning a console.
Yep
OBG Jay
I can't find anyone in the comment section who's doing what you said.
OBG Jay you're not a peasant if you want or own a console. You're a peasant if you spread misinformation about them and devote yourselves to them. Just like you're not a PC Master Race elitist if simply own a PC
this comment section always has haters :/
Patrick Schwind Not yet.
Look out below! There's significant console war battles down there!
Still wish this had a UHD Blu-Ray player.
The only reason to get it
Dean Thomas true, but it's all the about games not movies.
Dean Thomas why do people keep saying this? Do people seriously buy those 40+ dollar movies??? Just stream it for vastly less money. Also standard blu ray is enough for film.
Games that are not significantly different than the base PS4
HA HA HA AH OH AH AH HA HA $450 for a Xbox One S? Lol you should have waited for the price to go down
finally a decent review rather than the trash gamespot, ign, polygon put out. Thank you for reviewing. As a 1080P user, i am SO hyped to get my pro coming friday!
no word on fan noise -_-
Kevboard Arts no fan noise
In idle, it sounds more like a Xbox One S and while under load it comes close to the normal PS4 (newest revision)
That would be the best upgrade! If true. My ps4 sometimes sounds like it is about to take off.
addicTix so still like a cuh1200? cuz that thing still can be loud as fuck in some games :(
Judging by the comments under this video, I'd say plenty of fans are making noise. :'^)
I rather have 2k at 60 FPS than 4k at 30 FPS
I rather have a 1080 locked at 60 fps than 2k 60 fps (unlocked) & 4k 30 fps 🤨
I rather have 144p 100000fps
Guys what is 2k , is the 2k = hdr ?
@@youamazing41 it’s 1080p it’s half of 2K
@@youamazing41 half of 4k*
i want one, i have not had a chance to buy a ps4 and this one is what i will get. (Mind you i do have a good PC. But i cant play Playstation exclusives)
Thank god u said that line lmao
I will be picking this up as well and I also have a gaming pc.
I'm going to worry about getting a gaming pc some point down the line mostly just for VR, but for now I've got my Switch, my Xbox One X, and my Ps4 Pro with its PSVR to tide me over.
I want to see how Ratchet and Clank performs now with Pro.
Same with "The Order", "Uncharted 4", and "Killzone"
dont expect much better performance at any resolution as the PS4pro from my research is just overclocked now which isnt a 100% gain in performance meaning in already highly demanding games at best the frame-rate may improve 5-10 fps without graphical changes to the game itself. It has to actively change the resolution on the fly to maintain the frame-rate that is disgraceful behaviour.
the console is bottleneck by its CPU architecture (bobcat cores) jaguar while housing a 7850 worth of performance.
In comparison my FX 8120 and R9 380X have no bottlenecks
Holy moly. Consoles turning into pcs...adjustments in graphics and framerate. I thought console gaming is not about that. I thought it was all about quality exclusives and good optimization that wouldnt bother the players.
FunnyMontagesGR it was... There still somewhat alive with Nintendo and some exclusives that eventually came on PS4 and Xbox One but I still think that the PS4 Pro and Xbox Scorpio are unnecessary. I would like better if they waited 2 more years and relase the PS5 or Xbox whatever, with good game optimization the PS4 and Xbox One can resist during that time without problems.
the irony is the console gamers are all hypocrites with their "you need to change the graphics settings, i merely put my disc in and play" nonsense.
This means anything a console gamer says in the future means nothing at all as some of us have been gaming on PC since the 90s giving us experience and far more creditably when it comes to games and tech in general.
so console gamers now that you have our PC graphics options menu's in the future how does the hypocrisy feel for being so close minded all these decades?
***** yeah!! I mean they released some "underpowered" consoles. Dont mess up more with it...just wait some years and develop your ps5 or x2. It's so stupid they release new consoles and especially sony right now.
Corey Gravelle thats right. I used to be a console gamer. After all those bullshit happened i immediately just spent 700$ and got a powerful and upgradable pc that will cost me less than buying whole new systems every 3 years.
FunnyMontagesGR
I tip my hat to you sir. You've used your objective logic and concluded as to why you went and became a PC gamer, this brings a tear to my eye.
I used to have an SNES in the house back in the 90s and it only took playing DOOM on it to have me the next day buying a PC capable of playing it properly.
PS4 Pro is and will be more powerful than any PC till 2030.
Thru you are the only one who sees this for the glorious piece of technology it is, its atleast gonna take pc 20+ years to rech the pro's level of performance because of optimasations to the hardware. PC has many configurations and doesn't get optimisations
Boffifis1 If you mean a standard office pc from 2030, then it's gonna be a tough fight between those two, but i'd say the 200$ office PC would actually loose the fight. A 400$ dollar gaming PC on the other hand would probably rape the ps4 'pro' .
Considering Titanfall is only running on 1440p (upscaled to 4K) at 60 FPS, when there are PCs (with Titan XP) that can run it at max settings, at native 4k (approximately 2.25x the pixels) at 60 FPS, your statement is decidedly false. Even a mid-Range GPU like the GTX 1060 can match the PS4 in Titanfall2 - 60 FPS 1440p.
The advantage of the PS4 pro is only that it is a good value, price to performance, and exclusives.
dont tell me this is a joke, cuz it aint funny
ratchet500000 I feel like he meant, a PC for the same price.
seems not worth it really. wait for scorpio. good 4k tvs will also be cheaper then and technology will be far better too
Children's parents will find it hard to afford the Scorprio, so they will mostly stick with an XBox 1 S or PS4. Those who can afford a Scorpio will be better off buying a gaming PC, and play the MS exclusives on Windows.
It's not bad but this is what the PS4 should of been 3 years ago, I'll be interested to see how the upgraded Potato Masher Pro competes with the PS4 Pro considering how the Potato Masher beats the PS4 with most games and only cost $375.
That would mean nearly double the die size 3 years ago, this was enabled by shrinking fab processes. Double the die size of one of the largest APUs out there was obviously out of the question.
tipoomaster The result is the same, a PC built within the PS4 budget around the time the PS4 was released and beating it in most games, the PC in cost terms has come along way over the last few years that console gaming is expensive in comparison when you take into account online subs and cost of games.
More impressive is that it's running the latest games with better results than the PS4, something consoles gamers thought wasn't possible because of optimisations on console, in the end, it's all about beating the myths and if after that someone still prefers consoles then thats fine but the PC is better in almost every way apart from ease of use.
Paul Aiello You're not responding to what I said. A 400 dollar PC in 2013 offered double the PS4s performance? Because you said the Pro is the PS4 that should have released in 2013. That would mean double the performance and double the die size in 2013. I've built PCs for decades and often say they're not much more expensive than consoles if you build them to nearly the same spec, but you're going to have to prove that claim to me, as it's even more extreme than I'd go in praise of PCs. An updated 2016 potato masher may come close, but your original comment was the PS4 Pro is what the PS4 should have been in 2013.
I'd suggest looking up interposer size limits. The PS4s APU on 28nm in 2013 was right up against the interposer size limit, so casually suggesting this doubling of transistor budget is what should have happened in 2013 is being blind to that.
Fair enough it likely wouldn't of been a apu and would of cost probably $100 to $150 more but then PS4 owners wouldn't need to upgrade for better now, also, I never suggested they go for a apu but go with dedicated cpu and gpu, , it would cost more but you would get more performance.
In any case, the result is the same, a PC that cost similar to the PS4 around the time of release and that PC beating it with countless games even newer ones today and by seeing some of his youtube clips, it's clear as daylight where that PC has the edge over the PS4, the cpu isn't holding it back where it is with the PS4, the same might be the case with the PS4 Pro being that the cpu is only around 30% better.
VancouverCanucksRock Hardly lol, it would've cost about $100 to $150 more, but hey, you're paying for it now if you want the PS4 Pro whereas just a bit more in the first place would of saved you money now.
Doesn't look like a huge upgrade from my OG PS4 since I use mine as a naughty dog machine only. Would wait to see how many games are 60 FPS/unlocked before buying it.
koko jumbo 100% agreed
3x faster actually
Ray S GPU is ~2.3 times faste, CPU is 40% faster, 1 extra GiG of DDR3 compared to OG PS4. Not exactly 3 times faster.
not worth it if you own a ps4 already. Dont matter how much more powerful it is if developers dont use the extra power
Just buy a pc
I'll wait until a Playstation can play 4K Blu rays
they're gonna make an update for the pro, after Sony releases their 4k blu ray player
Eldqvist buy a movie player. I want to play games
Jae C so you bought your gaming console to just watch movies wow i guess you guys really don't have any games
Jae C "Greatness Awaits" is a good quote now right? since you are "waiting"
Jae C scorpio will also have uhd bluray
notice they didnt mention the reported stutering frame rates of call of duty. Pure damage control,theyre. afraid to tell the truth. LOL
Markis5150 They'll do that in a separate video
That's not a fault of the PS4 Pro. That's an issue with the developers
love the video hate the stain on his shirt
Matt Humphries
I'm not the only one who saw it and was a bit annoyed and confused by that.
+VariantAEC confused by a shirt stain? you've got bigger problems then.
8bitDNA
Well considering that they have enough money to buy all sorts of new PC hardware... They couldn't spluge on a $20 shirt for the host?
Yeah it's a bit confusing. Clearly I have no problems. Your inability to see the oddity that I just pointed out before you posted your comment indicates that maybe you've just projected the fact that you need help?
your reply says it all. thanks
Matt Humphries is not stain is his nipple 😂
now make me able to play with my keyboard and mouse, I don't like controllers...
Michiel Appeldoorn - You can plug a USB mouse and keyboard into a PS4 no problem, game developers just aren't supporting it for games, aside from some such as the people behind War Thunder.
Michiel Appeldoorn play with your ass
it's me or the sound is very low ?
dissident du jeu video its fine to me
mmmh no it's the video, in the next video the sound is higher
oh ok i was using headphones
dissident du jeu video lol I thought it was me! Kept on pushing the volume button 😂😂
Why people would dislike such an informative video?
UA-cam is a strange place and dislikes makes no sense. should be comments belonging to the dislikes explaining why.
Kaleem ullah
Reviewers are on board with PS4 Pro, gamers are warming up to the concept of the console, and preorders are strong, so naturally it's going to make a lot of people mad and upset.
Kaleem ullah well, pc elitists and the occasional Xbox fanboy.
the Xbox mafia
PC "gamers"
Great Review! Can't wait to get my Pro. Playing those exclusives in HD or 4k will be awesome. Gaming on PC with my GTX 1080 is great for modding, but with so many optimization problems lately, its nice to have a console that will match the performance I got from my previous GTX 970.
Optimisation is even worse now lol
I already own ps4 pro why i still watch this ?
Is the 4k a big improvement over the HDR , or just the same
@@youamazing41 well my tv only 720 p so no comment
@@shakirghazali2890 why the hell would you buy a ps4 pro when you have a 720p tv
lmao all these salty PC players that are in denial because their "console killer" is out performed by a 400$ console.
Jimmy Dean lmao, come join me on pc at 4k 100fps on battlefield 1 then talk shit lol
The majority of gamers are in a pissing contest, I couldn't give a shit what you play on but just enjoy it.
Josh Carter lol ok do I have to invest in a 800+$ PC to do so? I do? Yeah no thanks, I'll keep my cheaper console.
Lol my graphics card cost more then 800 ;)
Most PC gamers play at 1080p anyway, or 4k at the lowest settings lol. Of course games run better when you turn the settings down or spend 1k. I can understand your need to defend hardware that you spent way too much money on but don't shit on people that are smarter with their money :)
I just want devs to patch my PS4 exclusives so they run at 60fps..
so there's no hope of playing bloodborne @60fps ?
MrLegacyEric why do you hate atmosphere so much?
MrLegacyEric - That would break the online balance of the game, now wouldn't it?
Sure there is if they patch it for the Pro . Im more excited about future games. I have played the Pro and it is Night and Day difference
luckymouse1988 for sure, but the actual low framerate is what keeps me from playing it
bloodborne is the only game that pushes me to buy a ps4, but as a pc gamer, playing @60fps and above is premordial, @30 fps and below my eyes starts hurting me
It would be very interesting to see if digital foundry can test modern AMD 8700g igpu (780m), gtx 1050 ti and 1650 against PS4 pro GPU. Like this comment to let digital foundry know about this comparison those who you are interested.✌🏻
Absolutely love my PS4 Pro, a real upgrade over the PS3.
I was extremely disappointed with the original base PS4, failing to see any significant difference on my 50" Panasonic plasma panel
Having upgraded to a 65" 4K OLED, I have no regrets trading in my original PS4 for a PS4 Pro
you heard it from rich, $399 for a 4k capable machine, take that PC masterbaters.
I'd rather buy a 60fps machine for $399.
Mordecai R my phone is capable of playing 4k games.. you're truly mistaken if you're expecting to play the likes of battlefield 1 at 4k native.. you'll just get up scaled and low gpu intensive indie games... when it takes a $800 gpu in a pc to do it you won't get the same experience from a $400 console..
it's upscaled it's not as good as high-end PC which is native
According to your definition of 4k capable my phone is 4k capable.
That high-end native 4K PC will cost a couple grand and the difference is VERY SMALL. You can't build a PC that matches the PS4 Pro at $400 this is a fact.
the PS4 pro cant play 4K games as it's processor isn't powerful enough its false advertising by sony
Yea, this whole "4k" thing is really misleading since it's just upscaling not true 4k.
Martin Patterson there are some games that run native uhd resolution (3840×2160) while nothing Sony or Microsoft does in the next 5 to 10 years will be native 4k capable (4090×2160) which also has a change in aspect ratio on your screen. True 4k does exist but it's very expensive, everything we see is really just uhd.
It can't in fact a few times in this video it still seems to be a compromise between 60FPS OR Full HD with higher resolutions coming with upscaling or chequer boarding which is not, no matter how you spin it - 4k. Decent upgrade though and I like the fact that Sony are allowing devs to come up with their own solutions rather than being too proscriptive.
it's gonna have some 4k native games, what are you talking about dude
***** oh yea show me that 4k native scorpio list, mind listing it?
mind listing the specs?
LOL at NBA not being demanding
LOL at Last of us being shitty when it's being marked as one of the bets games of all times
oh, scorpio vaporware, i can't buy it yet, awww
i'll cry for you while playing VR games, bye bye
and don't worry, the "puke" jokes about the psvr are a myth invented by xfags, good luck
No mention of the heat and fan problem?!
You should keep the PS4 pro far from walls
We can still enjoy the glorious cinematic 30fps
Upscaling resolutions and marketing them as native should be illegal.
a) How the game renders internally is up to the developer. There are already games out rendering natively at 4k and more to come.
b) (And more importantly) the machine was never sold as rendering every game natively at 4k (they even openly explained the checkerboard technique at the press conference as one of the options to hit 4k on top of native and upscaling). However the machine DOES, in fact, output at 4k, which is what it is being sold as doing.
So unless you are saying it should be illegal to state a fact then your point is moot.
It might be able to output 4K but the hardware can not render any PS4 game at that resolution, it should have been sold as a 1440p console
Most gamers nowadays have become graphic-sexuals.
Always been, now its just easier to argue on the internet
HOLY SHIT! IT'S 360P!
Great review. Looking forward to getting this unit. Still on the first PS4, glad to see the optical audio port is back, I really need that. I will stick with 1080p for the time being, so it's good to see that there will be some benefit. I also like that games will get graphics options.
+PhilsComputerLab Hey man, great to see you here. Love watching your retro PC build guides.
ExtremoMania Greetings :)
I will get the Pro, current gen console for that matter, as soon as Uncharted 4 has a 60 fps option. 30 fps looks like horse puke to me who regularly plays at 1440p@144Hz, plus nobody gives a proper fuck about 4k even though I have a 4k TV.
If you dont own a 4k Tv/Monitor ( Samsung, Sony, or LG NOT THEM SHARP, VIZIO & HK etc TV's) your opinion doesn't matter tbh.
Facts
Very disappointed this isn't retroactive in improving performance. That might be a dealbreaker.
InsaneEnergy Devs will have to patch old games
The problem is: xbox one s cpu runs the exacly same code as original xbox one, PS4pro run in a different code, if they give free boost in performance, will begin to appear several bugs in the games that before did not happen, is no a easy task.
What? Unpatched games are the same code, on the same base processor. I don't see how you're saying it's different than the XBO-XBO Slim, running the same game code on either version. It's patched games that would have diverging binaries.
tipoomaster The "code" i mean is this : work like SLI. If you try to force SLI in a game that doesn't support it, then you will get huge graphical glitches. This might be why they need a patch for the game to run with the full power, and why it's not possible to force extra power into the game, Basically has a common PS4 inside the PS4pro, they have update with the patch to use the second GPU that gives the extra power to the PS4 pro.
YourSoul We're not talking about enabling the extra GPU hardware though, just keeping the regular PS4s hardware level (compute units) on, but higher clocked, just like the XBO Slim does. Nothing like trying to force SLI.
I wish that 1080p users would understand that they will get a "4K clarity" on their TVs too, thanks to the super sampling. As the supersampling is "free" for the devs, they can create high fidelity graphics with a 970GTX in mind without worrying about jaggies and resolution. When you think about that the Pro is amazing... and its $400!
But that is pointless if the games keep running in 20 fps.
@@StrazdasLT Games run at constant 30 99% of the time, dont know what you are talking about
@@ardasevmis7583 Are you from a prallel universe?
@@StrazdasLT Give me example of one game that drops from 30 fps on pro...
rich you always do a fantastic job with your videos
damn all i know is pc is dead come nov 10 2016 all this talk about frames? lol the games run smoothly on both the standard and the ps4pro. pc peasants actually think the frames are the same for a monitor and a tv they're so stupid it's not even funny. btw when these games get further optimized for the pro it's going to be a blood bath
Paul Aiello your platform is dead now kiss it goodbye i'll shed a tear for the irrelevant peasant
I am rewatching this video analysis and Richard is saying that the pspro is downscaling the 4k image on a 1080p tv but it was not true at that time and l think that is the same this days.When xbox1x came out it was doiing that from the start and u can check all DF videos since then where they r talking about that missing feature from Pspro! So l wonder Richard selling Pspro to the audience?
doesn't look like much of a difference
I will wait for Scorpio and see
Will be same for that box too.
Saeed Zahrani isnt it out already?
good luck waiting for over a year. ill be enjoying this with beautiful looks and VR gaming.
Saeed Zahrani
thats the right way!
Scorpio will destroy the pro for sure technicaly
Wirth Michael Depends
Sad to hear that existing games won't run with better performance. That was one of the things I was hoping for the most.
they have boost mode for that now, you enable it on console settings, and the cpu wil run at higher clock on all games. then all the old games will run faster, considering it is a cpu-bound game, and that the game originally had any frame drops. if tha game already stays at the fps-cap all the time withuout drops, then it wont make a difference. that also helps with games that had dynamic resolution scaling, in this case it should help the game stay at a higher res.
Let's be honest. Playstation gamers will just switch to 30fps because their eyes can only see in cinematic.
There is really no reason to upgrade, it doesn't even run native 4k except for little indie games. Will wait and see what Scorpio brings out.
camlwatts i don't have to wait since I can do the same and better now with a PC thanks to MS I don't need to waste the money on xbone. I get exclusives from xbone and PC. why waste the $600 for the scorpio when you can get a pc that will do that and more
Yall complain too much, If u got the $ build a PC its just that simple. I have a GTX 1080 PC I barely use it besides GTA mods. I buy every game for PS4 cause thats where my friends are and best exclusive game IMO. My xbox one s is a just 4k player / Gears of war box lol. I have em all.
If you paused on the birds in Tomb Raider it looked like they were blurs on the Pro. But for a 400 dollar box, not knocking it, it's impressively close to the native PC render, with most of the difference being texture settings.
I love the reviews here on DF. Its the core facts, no window dressing, straight talking information with excellent research. Thanks for the great analysis guys, its certainly helped me decide if I'll be picking one up or not.
1) checkerboard rendering in Qunantium brake = 720p native even if it is 1080p checkerboard rendering
2) ps4 checkerboard rendering = native 4k w/ no noticeable difference
love your logic GOAL LINE BEEN MOVED AGAIN
xKaoticPanter well to be fair, he said there is a difference, but it's close enough.
xKaoticPanter its not native 4k and never will be
He never said PS4's checkerboard rendering is native 4k. You seriously need to pay more attention. He is saying some games, like Skyrim Special Edition, runs at a full 4k native resolution and if you're using a 1080p screen it is native 4k supersampled to 1080p. Nothing to do with checkerboard, which he was talking about for other games that run at either native 1080p or 1440p, rendered to 4k using checkerboarding. Did you really have that much trouble understanding the video or are you one of those Xbox fanboys?
Gary The clone A couple are apparently.
Incorrect. Whether it is native or not it is up to the developer and what their engine can do. The console can process native and non-native.
Scorpio can have all that power but with no games it will be pointless. Dont even mention Halo, Gears, Fable and Forza, them titles are out of their prime. Where are the new IP's? If you gassing a console because of its power just to play AAA titles you might just be as smart as a box of rocks. Sony got the games, xbox eh, besides all Xbox games goes to PC anyways so whats the point of the scorpio anyways? But its all about preference, I just hope M$ & Sony can get some NEW GOOD IP's, This Generation been kinda trash.
I have watched 73 pro reviews and still barely got anything out of it. They all say " i don't know if it's good or bad, but if you don't have a ps4 give it a try"
The real fake 4K console? Lol
Waittttt so it technically "can't" play a perfect 1080p 60fps STILL? (ex. 5:57) But it doesn't even have a heavy api or OS on top of it....
Isn't the PS4 Pro dual GPU now?
I'm shocked. Anyways, good video Richard! Love the content
Yes it can play games at 60fps at 1080p, if it wanted to. Pay more attention to the video. Sony have basically chosen for most games **already released** to disable one of the GPUs and use just one, at the regular clock speed of the old PS4. This is to have better compatibility so there aren't any issues running the game incase the developer/publisher chooses to not patch the game. Games don't magically run better with dual GPUs you literally have to write code in the game to support it properly as any PC gamer will tell you who can afford two graphics cards. Most newer games coming out should support 1080p 60fps like Rise of the Tomb Raider.
The CPU is the main Achilles heel of the 8th gen console (both launch and 8.5 versions) You will not get consistent 60 fps on consoles this generation. I would seriously recommend that you move over to pc this generation if you want consistent high frame rates.
I even linked the example in my comment. Both games showcased in that example are running in "performance mode" on the Pro (1080p, 60fps, both gpu's running) and both games are optimized for the pro, ie; got a software patch. As you see in the tomb raider side by side, locked 30 on the normal ps4, unlocked 55-60 on pro. My question being, why is it not SOLID. Same with Infamous. I just figured it would be more powerful if they really want to market it as a solid upgrade over a normal ps4. Maybe devs are more focused on the "4k" at the moment. --No need to get butthurt, it was just a question/comment. (i like all aspects of gaming, pc, consoles, handheld, not bias whatsoever.) I come to this channel to learn. Simple.
-Brandon Casey, I 100% agree. I feel the CPUs have been holding them back a bit. Nice to see the XB1S got a slight boost in clock. Maybe Playstation/Sony are waiting for the new Zen platform to utilize. (Hopefully :)
Zen for PS5/Scorpio**
Scropio will not have Zen (it might have Puma , not much improvement really though).
cant wait to get my hands on that thing 😲😲😲
Evil Pig Why? Are you a zombie sheeple? What is it you want? Upscaling?
Turd Furguson why do you care about his money?
Turd Furguson no man dont like the rest hatin on it, i own both the ps4 and the xbox one and like both so far but a little more power doesnt hurt
Turd Furguson try it, on 4K is stunning
PlaystationboxU master race Pre ordered!!
I think the PS4 Pro has certainly delivered and will deliver in the future. This is nothing short of impressive. Checkerboard Rendering makes it very close to 4k Native. Also Last of Us at a native 4k@30fps? I will take that. Honestly there is a point of diminishing returns. This is $400. Even if it lasts for 3 years before PS5 launches. PC imo will always have more power and can do more but it cant do this for $400 as it cant simply upscale like the PS4 Pro can
Cool thing about upgrading your PC is it automatically upgrades ALL of your games. I'm still gonna pick up the pro...anybody want an original PS4 with PT on it? lol
How does that happen? what is sony doing where the game doesnt run faster without a patch? Imagine if you got a new video card and the games didnt run faster right away, still had to wait for game specific drivers. Sony makes really weird decisions.
Because The OG PS4 has to be supported as well Keep in mind this is only on existing games. Games like Horizon Days Gone God of war will be built for the Pro. Eventually the Pro will be the lead platform. They still have 47 million PS4s to worry about. No PS4 left behind.
Carleton LeGrant Yeah but the Xbox One S shows improvements with no patching. When I realized that and they point it out in this video, its like wtf... I know all games will get PS4 Pro features from now on but come on, to make a developer have to go through that, i have never seen any platform do that before where a hardware improvement can have no impact because the developer has to patch first.
The_HBK_23 Yeah but the improvements on the Xbox S look horrid they are upscaling from 720-1080p to a 4k resolution by stretching the pixels which looks like shit, The checkerboard thing Sony is doing they start form 1800p to reach 2160 and do not stretch the pixels. If all my games still work Im fine the ones that get patched is a bonus. I do believe Bloodborne and Darksouls 3 will get a patch. If they don't it is no big deal. Im more excited about them going forward not backwards.
Carleton LeGrant Well I am not saying that its great. But what I am saying is that, the Xbox One S, gives you a slight bump in framerate right away. So even on a 1080p tv you see a difference. Why games need a patch to see improvement on the PS4 Pro is beyond me.
The_HBK_23 Because they are 2 different architecture thats why. I personally do not care I game on a 4k tv and hate xbox games they are not my type of games. From what I have played of the Pro it is night and day different, i want to go forward not backward
i dont care if ps4 pro cost 600 - 800 but having 4k experience is so much cheaper than pc
khairul USacc You can build a pc for 500-600 that outperforms pro at 4k..
Not true, if you do the resolution, graphical settings and frame rates the same as the console, you'll be surprised how much easier it is to run, now running max out native 4k 60fps is a different story altogether and will cost a lot.
Dillon McMahon geez really a PC that's 200 dollars more expensive is more powerful?? no wayyy
oFriskyPanda lmao which card, keep telling yourself that kid 😂😂😂
Jimmy Dean You should check out the Potato Masher, a PC built around the time the PS4 was released and cost $375, less than the PS4 cost and most of the time it's beating the PS4 in resolution, frame rates and visuals.
He's got countless UA-cam clips over the last few years showing comparisons from PC to PS4, He's also planning on doing a Potato Masher Pro with similar budget to PS4 Pro.
It really indicates how cheap PC's can be and thats not including online subs, games being cheaper and the rest.
so when Richard is impressed it is a saved buy ;)
ervo26 he is?
ZenCavalera7 he's not
he said that for a 400 euro console its quite good and we can expect more in the future for the ps4 pro. cause what we see now is all made with patches not from ground on
ervo26 good luck buying the same console...lol
i will not buy it now but when my ps4 dient work anymore than i would buy it
Who needs 4K for a console???? I sit like 3m from the screen, I wouldn't be able to see the difference anyway. But better draw distances and AA would be noticeble!
You guys need to seriously put an SSD in this device and do a side by side comparison. seeing as the ps4pro isn't gimped by the awful "sata2/usb" interface of the original PS4 i'm expecting som actual performance increase from the ps4pro and its sata3 interface.
Would be lovely to to see if it actually does what i hope it will before i splurge on a 1-2tb ssd for it.
The fact that Unpatched games don't get boosts is important to me so I won't be getting the pro.
Jamie Robert yeah thats a fucking stupid idea, I get why Sony is doing this but why they doing this at SP only games? In MP you may get unfair advantages but in SP? strange ... sony... strange
It's really strange that despite having more powerful hardware, PS4 Pro performs absolutely identical to PS4 on existing unpatched games even when frame rate is unlocked. I don't know how it can be possible.
Nima V cause the unpatched games are optimised to use a certain amount of power which is locked.
No, they are not. Xbox One S is slightly overclocked Xbox One and it performs better than Xbox one in most of the games. It doesn't make sense to artificially limit the amount of power games use, It's extra work for no reason.
Nima V well that is true but I'm pretty sure that wasn't the case for all Xbox one games
PlayStation 4 Pro Review: The First upscaled not native checkerboardrendering 4K Games Console.
I'm on the fence with getting a console, As a PC gamer I haven't owned a console since the PS2 and this gen's issue for me has been the poor frame rates. My current front room TV's only 720p so I'm more interested in the frame rate improvement than anything else although if I do buy a Pro I'm also going to buy a newer 1080p TV. Good video but I'm still on the fence :(
did you get a ps4?
Complains about poor framerates
Shadow of the Colossus on PS2: 15-20fps
The Scorpio is going to be much better than the Pro. I feel bad for console gamers still not getting a rock solid 60fps at 1080p. I would hate to have to play at less on such a low resolution. The pro feels like a half generational step, it's gpu is quite good but it's cpu and memory are holding it back.
Wow pro without 4k seems crippled to death for us 1080p peeps. I really wanted this but i doubt i will trade up. Sad panda here but after psvr i am going meh pc. Dang it sony why not run homefront type games better? Wasted gpu unless you have 4k imho. I am severely bummed.
Yup, I've even noticed the downscale super sampling on the Xbox One S on a regular 1080p screen. Cleans things up very nicely, just as this does. Also with just a regular Xbox 1/PS4, if you have the right TV. The TV itself will do upscaling that looks in many cases, better. The only thing I like about the Ps4 Pro is that you can choose (on some games), between 30fps locked, or just unlocked. Which is great. And pretty much one of the only reasons for the beefier GPU, as he says. But then again, a lot of people have had issues with the Pro NOT working on certain Vizio/Lg 4K TV's, at all. And even some cheaper Sanyo and RCA sets have had issues. So they still need to work out the bugs. But I think both companies have made good attempts here.
My 4K TV did a great job of upscaling my ps4 slims image. It brought out so many more details, plus the HDR 😊. I was playing on a 720p LG monitor 😭. I thought the LG looked good until I plugged my ps4 slim into my new 4K TV 😅.
thank u 😍😘
i want to see the battlfield patch no ones said anything about it
Joe Scott I know, its looking like the multiplayer will just get a more stable framerate but singleplayer campaign will probably get the full treatment. hdr probably wont work in competetive mp cos of the input lag so forget that.
+EliteMonkeh J yeah unless youve Got à really High spec hdr tv 2000+ the input lag is unplayable, I hope they use the checkerboard rendering for battlefield
The framerate will get a little bit better but not by much because the cpu is not powerful enough. Believe me, i have an i5 4690 and battlefield 1 drops like a bitch with my 470 when shit happens. And my cpu is much more powerful than the ps4 pro one. Battlefield 1 needs i7s to get a solid framerate and i'm not joking
i have a 4690k and my fps never drops below 100fps
Boffifis1 What's your gpu? Is the cpu overclocked?
$400 is a lot to ask when I can build a $550 PC using an i5 6500 and GTX 1060 that gives much better performance. Don't get me wrong, consoles have their uses but that asking price is just absurd.
Sony fucked up! instead of Sony investing their life savings all into VR, they should've had poured all of that 💸💸💸into Games
??? They are.
You've obviously never used VR lol
Richard, when on earth will you stop towing sony's line that it was built for 4K. It was clearly created to give the PSVR enough power to run adequately (coz it sure doesn't with the stock PS4), NOT 4K.
That was something they added to try and diffuse the scorpio hype with.
A REAL 4K machines would run EVERYTHING at 4K, not fake it and then rely on the media to spread the FUD about it being for 4K.
Mike Caddick I'd say there is reasonable justification to label it 4K simply due to the fact that you get something out of it on a 4K TV that you wouldn't get on 1080p. It has optimizations for 4K viewing.
You're right that it's more marketing hype than reality, but the 4K upscaling from a higher than 1080p internal res on many games is still a selling point for 4K TVs.
DigitalFoundry, if i have a standard 1080p TV with no HDR, will i see any benefit from ps4? (on graphics, not FPS)
Well I thin he said it would supersampling the image. At least in Rise of nhe tomb Raider you should get a better image quality
hmmmm...i got that part. ... but i wont be pausing the game and zooming it to see the better AA :P
You can see the differences even in moving. I think it is like DSR/VSR for PC. There it is a very huge improvment.
No words on fan noise 👂
More than a Slim (reasonable considering teh hardware), but less than the original PS4. It sits at a middle point between the two and is comparable to the C-Chassis PS4 released last year.
Achwaq Khalid It was/is terrible :/
My Pro can get loud sometimes when playing MGSV and that's the digital version I have but I can play GTAV for hours on disk and it never gets loud.
Oh god dude. You better keep that thing out in the open. It’s LOUD
what monitor would you recommend for the pro. i ordered lg27ud68. i heard this monitor had issues with xbox one s 4k upscaling when lg deep colour is enabled to get 60hz 4k. fingers crossed it will work on ps4 pro
I cannot see too many people upgrading their existing PS4 for the Pro model. Some new buyers may choose the Pro over the PS4. Maybe.