Media Oddities | The History & Troubled Production of Sid & Marty Krofft's 'Lidsville'
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- Опубліковано 3 сер 2024
- In this episode of Media Oddities we cover Sid & Marty Krofft's cult classic 70's Saturday Morning series 'Lidsville', and the its rocky production.
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I took a Lidsville lunch box to school in elementary school. I still have that lunch box today.
I was 4 and this show scared the heck out of me. Charles Nelson Reilly nailed his character as it was too intense for me to watch.
Lol
Thank you for this behind the scenes look at a show from my childhood! Lidsville was great.
I stumbled upon this video while trying to explain to someone about the show Lidsville. Despite being my age, 57, she didn't remember it. She remembered HR Pufnstuff, but not Lidsville.
Despite the title of their shows referencing marijuana, Sid and Marty Kroft knew how to entertain the minds of children. When you are 7 years old as I was watching Lidsville, you begin to wonder what would happen if you really did fall into a magician's hat.
I had a wild imagination when I was younger. A few years later the Six Million Dollar man became a cool night time series. It made me dream of having bionic legs, arm, and eye. Imagine what I could do to my bullies with all that
Charles Nelson Reilly appeared on an episode of _The X-Files_ as author and raconteur Jose Chung. During his character's self-introduction he mentions various projects he's known for, and he describes one as being a film he was in that won the Palme d'Or at Cannes.
They then show a clip from _Liddsville_ of him in his flying hat and mugging for the camera! Priceless..
I'm pretty sure that's in the Millennium episode "the doomsday prophecy" which also features jose chung.
All you need to see of Lidsville is the intro. It's way more of a story than any single episode. Every show was hats running around in a panic as CNR flew overhead.
Agreed. They should have made a full episode out of the intro.
The Lidsville opening was filmed at Six Flags over Texas, not Georgia, according to the closing credits (and a Texas flag is visible in the opening among the flags). Only Butch Patrick from the cast was there, as it's apparent that the magician (CNR out of WhooDoo makeup) was performing on tape, while "Mark" was on film. Butch Patrick has now lived in Texas for many years.
Either way, sucks.
I live in Hurst Texas, which is only 15 minutes away from Six Flags! I had no idea Butch Patrick lived here
@@jeenkzk5919 I think he lives in the Austin area now. There is a replica of the Munster house near Waxahatchie, and I read that he lived in that house for a little while too.
*HooDoo *, not "WhooDoo".
@@SBMPLYMA it was great
I just remembered on Pufnstuf when she played Witchiepoo when she would cast a spell with her magic wand she would always do this "funny as hell" wind-up like she was pitching in the World Series.
Haaa yes I remember
Billie Hayes’ cackling was always easily recognizable. You’d hear it in “The Black Cauldron,” episodes of “Teen Titans” and “The Batman” and even “Shrek Forever After.”
Thanks SO MUCH for making this video! I’m 55 years old now… I can’t possibly imagine my childhood without “Sid & Marty”…, I truly feel sorry for kids today! Lol… well… thank GOODNESS for UA-cam!!!
Cheers!
Judson & Buddy!
THE Golden Hound Dog of OHIO!
God Bless You ALL!!! :-)
I saw this when I was 3-4 years old, and forgot about it so completely that I only remembered it watching ep 1 just now. I wasn't sure i'd seen it till the genie came on, then I was like "Oh, my god!". Same thing with New Zoo Review-- trying to remember being 3 years old. Good times!!
I can’t imagine my childhood without these wonderful shows! ❤
Yeah I remember my childhood with this media wave. Especially the H. R. Huff N Suf : "You can't do a little because you can't get enough". Only thing I can say after 40+ years later. Frack the J@ck @$$es. The 1st Generation of Groomers................
Sid & Marty Kroft can denounce drugs all they want, but when a "lid" is a bag of weed (a 4-finger lid = 1 ounce). Then there's H.R. Puff 'n Stuff [what's H.R. puffin' boys ?]
who cares if drug users hear something meaningful to them while the rest of us did not. I was about 5 YO when this was on TV and loved it, and I and my family despised the drug abuse going on around this time. Speculation and accusations don’t change the fact that this was a highly entertaining and imaginative TV series that children loved and even some of
parents. I mean Charles Nelson Riley is hilarious, and he’s just one piece. I remembered the show all these years despite its short run because of the magic hat flying and some costumes. It probably explains why I wanted and got a magician for my birthday party with my entire preschool classmates, something my parents didn’t expect. But kids loved this show’s imagination, magic and humor.
I was in 1st grade and watched it every week. I was scared of Charles Nelson Reilly but liked the magic. Especially the flying hat ride.
TV themes were so much catchier back then. I still sing them 40 years later.
I'm 75 and still find myself humming these tunes to myself and singing them to my grandkids, "The Bugaloos the Bugaloos there in the air and everywhere'.... lol
The voice of Allen Melvin was all over my childhood, from Sam the butcher on Brady Bunch to Archie's friend Barney Hefner. But only recently have I come to realize he was featured on the Bananasplits and several of the Sid and Marty Croft shows as well as cartoons I watched. Most beloved was Sigmund and the Sea Monster and I know he did at least 2 vouies on that series.
He was the voice of Magilla Gorilla. He also was on the SGT Bilko/Phil Silvers show in the 50s.
It was the Bugaloos, not the Boogaloos. They were Bugs.
THANK YOU!!!
Sid R.I.P. 😢
Totally loved the hr puff. Thank you 😊 😊 💓 wish everyone could see this funny show every Saturday 😄 morning 🌄 😀
Thanks I frequently look at these old shows to reference my 5year old spirit hanging with mom. And my pre adolescence.loved these as a kid .
I had no idea that "lid" was slang for an ounce of weed in the 60s/70s. It's too bad that the Krofts felt bad about the drug association. Besides making kids happy they made countless stoners happy, too! 😊☮️
1970s Saturday mornings were dominated by three names: Filmation, Hanna-Barbera, and Krofft. They were not the only ones in the biz, but even popular ones like DePatie-Freleng Enterprises (The Pink Panther Show) and Warner Brothers (Looney Toons) lacked the volume output of these three.
I loved this show. I really wanted to see how Mark escaped through a hat into the real world. Imagine the special effects today.
I love Sid & Marty TV Shows growing up! Did not hear about this one going to have to watch all 17 shows now!
I remember watching _Lidsville_ and _H.R. Puffinstuff_ when I was a toddler & preschool age kid, and I enjoyed both shows.
loved this show as a kid!
One didn't have to be a kid. Once "Lidsville" was discovered, it was de rigueur for the stoner community.
@@donaldsmith3926 I remember those days . You're one if the few who knows this!Even Puf n Stuf was watched by stoners who were puffing stuff while watching it 🤣
This show is one the first tv shows I remember as a kid!
I remember the Krofft stuff being rereleased and aired as a kid, my dad was nostalgic and I enjoyed it like new. Later, I hunted down the dvds re-releases and I was doing a lot of acid and had what was easily one of the best summers in my life and I introduced it to a bunch of new people who became fans too.
RIP Sid and Marty Krofft
I think Sid is still with us, although Marty passed, just recently…
Sid is still alive Marty passed away 6 months ago
I used to watch this show at my babysitter's house. About 25 years later, my mother told me one of the girls I watched it with was Butch Patrick's half-sister. That surprised me because I had no memory of her ever mentioning this fact. Possibly she did, nobody believed her, and she never brought it up again. Some time after that I found out her father was a Major League Baseball player -- no memory of ever being told that previously. I also learned that Anissa Jones, who played Buffy on Family Affair, worked at a local donut shop I sometimes patronized as a kid. For God's sake, tell me these things when they're actually happening!!!
You must’ve lived in my town !
@@sunnyday7843 PDR?
The hats always caught my attention, cool props too.
That was a neat video. I love Lidsville it’s one of my favorite Kraft shows along with H.R Puffienstuff, The Buglaloo’s, and Sigmund and the sea monsters. It’s still a great show and I enjoy the actors on the show especially Charles N. Reiley as Hoodoo. Hopefully, they will bring the show back for a new generation someway in the near future.
The Hat band still rocks my world in 2022.
I used to love Lidsville when I was a kid.
Great... I grew up with all of these shows.
Absolutely loved that show
It was also said that Reilly would refer to producer Is Rose as "Bad Hat Si" and often scream to be let out of 'Sid and Marty Krofft's Polish Prison" At one point, Reilly took an unauthorized day off from filming and came back the next day saying to the cast the crew "How did you like my Hoo Doo Holiday?"
HR had Jack Wild - the kid was troubled but so talented with his singing and dancing. Look at his moves.
Liked his dancing in mechanical boy
Loved lidsville,hr pufnstuff,land of the lost,bigfoot and wildboy,dr shrinker,the bugalaoos, far nut space nuts,wonderbug,electra woman and dyna girl huge sid and marty Kroft fan seen most of their shows on nick at nite in 1995 and on UA-cam thanks for talking about lidsville 😊
Don't forget Sigmund the Seamonster!!
@@THXx1138😊thanks I forgot about that one it was great too
Probably the best of the Krofft shows. I bet that, until then, Butch Patrick thought that being Eddie Munster would be as weird as it was going to get. I also can't help wondering how many kids these determinedly campy shows "groomed."
I remember this show very well and like most Sid & Marty stuff thought it was pretty terrible. I never got the drug references but then again I was around 7 years old. The intro song I really did like and Butch Patrick I thought was really good despite the ridiculous surroundings. That he hated it doesn't surprise me. Thanks for making this, the clips and info are top notch. Got a sub from me.
Loved Lidsville. Have a nice lunchbox to remember it. Never once as a 8 year old thought this show or Pufnstuf was about drugs. It was just the coolest stuff on Saturday morning.
Hats off to this informative video.
It was Six Flags over Texas not Georgia.
Sid Krofft is still here. Rest In Peace, Marty Krofft, and all who worked with the Krofft brothers...
Just to update on the movie, Sid Krofft has said the movie of Lidsville has since been shelved as of 2015 because Dreamworks wanted to to take it in a different direction, there are rumors of a reboot but nothing has come of it
thats good bc they wouldve ruined it
Thank you for the update!
Interestingly, the type of Folding Hat that Hoodoo uses to make his Hatamaran is an actual type of folding hat worn to the opera. It folds down so that you can hold it in your lap with no need for a bulky hatbox.
This was my favorite show when I was four. I still don’t know why lol.
That’s actually Six Flags Over Texas, not Georgia.
Also dedicated in memory of Charles Nelson Reilly.
Thank you so much for posting this!
I remember this particular show when I was a kid; watched it religiously. Sadly Mark, never did make it back home and there was no end show.
That was a good video that you made. I can relate to what Butch said It's not until you get older that you appreciate what you did have. And you wished you had it back.
🎵 "Lidsville is the Koo-Koo-Kookiest
Lidsville is the Ki-Ki-Kickiest..." 🎵
The Bugaloos were my favorite, I fell in love with Joy when I was 10 years old. I was very disappointed though when at the end of each show she told me to write to her but she never gave her address.
Wonder Bug was my second favorite.
The Kroffts hated that this show was associated with drugs. They were not drug-users and were appalled by the association.
What do you expect with "Puff n Stuff" and "Lids" Ville - both drug related terms.
I agree with both comments. They didn't do drugs but come on what did they expect?
Discussing kids shows in the pub with my brothers friends I mentioned Puff n Stuff which none of them had watched. This and the cartoon Tomfoolery were 2 shows I told them of but they were sure I'd been at the mushrooms in a local field well known to us. I don't think Lidsville was shown on Scottish Television but had I included that one I'm sure they would've been convinced it was mushroom flashbacks again 🤣
I remember adults confusing HR PufnStuf with Puff the Magic Dragon. When we were kids we were told not to watch it because it promoted Marijuana use.
They weren't drug users? Huh. Coulda fooled me, what with all that trippy stuff they were coming out with! But then again, I didn't grow up with these shows, I'm just interested in classic TV (my favorite being "The Monkees," which Billie Hayes guest-starred in one episode called "Hillbilly Honeymoon").
Thank you, Billie!!! Much love!
HR PUFFIN STUFF and LIDSVILLE were my favourites,,,
When I was a very young child, watching TV in early 1970s Britain, American chlildren's show were always the best.
I grew up with these shows. Loved them.
My fav Sid and Marty show. Because of Charles
Thank you jayo
For your wonderful video
I remember having that lunchbox!
The first thing I noticed about these two shows is that they look like German expressionist cinema of the 1920s meets Alice in Wonderland. The person who visits these surreal places this time, is a boy. Also, the first thing that I noticed, the characters of both places look like walking psilocybin cubensis mushrooms. Known to many as Magic Mushrooms. And what these places needed was the Caterpillar sitting on a huge mushroom. And somewhere the Jefferson Airplane song 'White Rabbit' could be softly playing.
Great job!
I see the magician is the dirty bubble from SpongeBob, Charles Nelson Riley complete with that signature chuckle that he always does
Considering how Charles Nelson Reilly antagonized Butch Patrick (aka Eddie Munster) in Lidsville, I ponder how things would've play out if Fred Gwynne had been a guest panelist on Match Game, where CNR was a regular.
The world's fair in San Antonio TX had an adults-only Sid and Marty Kroft puppet show called Les Poupees de Paris.
Mark is played by Butch Patrick, Eddie Munster.
You are super underrated
Butch Patrick scared the hell out of me as a kid.
It was CHARLES NELSON REILLY, not Charles Reilly; he always performed under his full name; he started out in theater; was on Broadway, in the 50’s and 60’s, and by the 70’s had become a perennial face on TV, guesting on several game shows, most notably MATCH GAME; he also donned a giant banana costume to play BIG BANANA in a series of commercials as the spokesman for BIC ink pins; after LIDSVILLE, he hosted another Saturday morning show, UNCLE CROC’S BLOCK, which featured various short cartoons produced by FILMATION STUDIOS…
I hope you make more vids...I just found this page while looking for vids on Sud and Marty Krofft. please please more vids !!!
Loved this show. Watched it when it first aired. I had a crush on Butch.
Did he say The BOO-ga-loos??? They’re BUGS! It’s BUG-a-loos! Did he watch a single episode? They say Bugaloos a hundred times per episode!
"Lid" was not a slang term for marijuana in general, it was a specific quantity of marijuana such as would fit in a Baggie sandwich bag to the depth of about 'four fingers' of a hand held sideways, fingers together.
I recall being told by 'old timers' of the day that a 'lid' was originally the amount that would remain on a lid from a one pound Prince Albert tobacco can after it was dipped into a burlap sack of 'pot' and then lightly shaken.
In the 1960s and 70s peanut butter came in 16 oz glass jars generally- later on you’d see different sizes, but early on a jar of peanut butter was a standard size- a lid was a peanut butter lid packed with marijuana- generally that was enough for a party- while to this day I’ve never done any drugs (growing up in the early 70s seeing kids get burnt out on pot cured me of that), I knew all the lingo from the era
But lid always meant hat and “don’t flip your lid” - meaning “don’t get uptight” was an interesting double meaning with the marijuana lid
@@dontgd That would be a rather small 'lid'.
@@dontgdBurnt out on Marijuana? The Mexican Marijuana back then was so low in THC that it would have been impossible to get "burnt out."
Not saying you should have been getting high in High School or getting high now; but please don't go around thinking like a 1970's anti drug commercial.
BTW I was an IT Consultant and ended my career as an Director of IT for a community Bank with 6 branches.
A lid meant an ounce. Where the slang came from I am sure no one knows for sure, especially someone who never partook. 😂😂
They were the BUG-aloos, not the BOOGA-loos☺️
Marty Krofft, was quoted as saying: “You can’t create this stuff stoned”. Whether they ever used drugs at all is anyone’s guess. As it it is though, the shows certainly appealed to stoners.
This show gave me the williy's back then and I was a teenager. "What twisted mind created this?"
Creepy creepy creepy - watched it as a kid and it gave me nightmares
I wish Sid Krofft would also play more Lidsville like HR Pufnstuf. I Loved Billie Hayes in both shows.
Dedicated to the memory of Marty Krofft (1937-2023).
The "Hey, Wait A Minute...I Think That's Eddie Munster" show.
I didn’t realize she’d passed away :( rip witchiepoo
I loved lidsville!
I remember a guy once commenting to his wife in a store that Charles Nelson Reilly was one "creepy dude" and that he looked like the kind of guy who would lurk in the mens room at an amusement park looking to abduct young boys.
Usually, air is turned off just when the camera rolls and its turned back on right after. During breaks and lunch its left on to cool the sound stage.
I can't believe the goofy stuff we watched back then. Almost as goofy as what we watch now
it's actually "Six Flags over Texas". it's shown at the beginning of every episode.
I loved Lidsville, but wow, did Hoo-Doo creep me out. I had forgotten that the boy was Butch Patrick.
I have a old lunchbox from this show
I used to watch this show coming down after of night of tripping my brains out.
Actors not knowing which character they were to play caused a lot of characters to be on set at the same time? What?
Marty Kroft ULTRA. 😊
Butch only had one other role I know of was the Phantom Toll Booth when he was 16. To this day he still does appearances for the Munsters.
I had been a fan of The Munsters in the 60s and Eddie had been my favourite character. I remember watching Lidsville when it was on our screens. I don’t think it occurred to me that Mark was an older version of Butch Patrick, alias Eddie Munster. I find it interesting how British child actor Jack Wild had started in H.R. Pufenstuff. I think Butch and Jack lived pretty similar troubled lives. The late Jack did not think early fame was a good thing. I think their lives are cautionary tales for those who aspire to become famous.
Sorry, that wasn’t typed right. I didn’t mean to say Jack Wild STARTED in Pufnstuf. His previous claim to fame had been playing the Artful Dodger in the famous musical Oliver. I had meant to say Jack had STARRED in Pufnstuf.
The Krofts also made a new show for preschoolers
I saw this show as a young child. What made them think that children would enjoy watching a boy transported to a place where everyone was a hat, was terrorized by a villain, and where he could not get home. Horrific.
The narrator sounds stoned,or doesnt want to do this,Charles Nelson Reilly was so good,funny it whatever role he played,this.Cannonball Run.etc.
Sounds like he didn’t rehearse at all before reading the script. Just mumbled through it.
If he's stoned, then he fits the theme of the video
loved the banana splits song. it's quintessential retro tv music
Thanks for the video. What drama. BTW, The first episode is on UA-cam.
those guys were either really creative or on some really good drugs
Can't do a little cuz ya can't do enough! The Krofts knew EXACTLY what they were doing...
Children's shows in the 70s and even into the 80s were so creative. Not just Sid & Marty Krofft, but there were just so many other "weird" shows like Vegetable Soup (so few remember this one from PBS), Great Space Coaster, Pee Wee's Playhouse, Today's Special, and all those 15 minute PBS shows that used to be on during the day like Letter People, Read All About It, Gather 'Round...not to mention Jim Henson's entire library of content. I could go on and on. I think all that creativity was really good for kids' brains. The stuff I see now is depressing and forgettable.
I remember Vegetable Soup. It was on Sunday mornings here.
I don't remember Vegetable Soup, but I do remember Mulligan Stew, which began 3 years before Vegetable Soup. I wonder if the name of one influenced the other's name?
The animated intro to "Vegetable Soup" looked like something Ralph Bakshi would have done.
Speaking of psychedelic kids shows that are forgotten anyone else remember "The Froozles"