For years we’ve been listening to car journalists telling us that absolute cardinal sin for a car is too much weight…….until BMW increase a models weight by 500kg, then listen to them come out with ridiculous claims that you can’t even notice it/its not a big deal 😂
So BMW have managed to defy the laws of physics, maybe they should have been mentoring Einstein and hawking? I can only imagine if it had been an AMG/RS product to jump this much in weight first what car journalists would have had to say. At least it won’t be a stick you can beat them with when they inevitably have to follow suit, look forward to their next versions and your reviews.
@@CARmagazineTVrevisit the review you did in(and on) the gr86 one year ago, on the same roads; your opinion on heavy vehicles sounded very differently than what we can hear now. #strange
Was it even any doubt about the M5 being the vastly better car in every possible way? Maybe if you were born yesterday. NOTHING beats a BMW, except a Ferrari :) As a fan of the understeer king (Audi) or a fan of the oversteer king (AMG) I understand your anger but at some point logic has to overcome your biased feelings.
Don't hate the player, hate the game. We're all mocking BMW for this hybrid mammoth but everyone forgets new emission standards and high push towards the EV resulted in this kind of cars. I'm pretty sure BMW would never consider this car by themselves, if not for rigorous CO2 taxes etc.
the new panamera turbo makes less power and is faster, and then is the turbo s, both hybrids the same weight as the M5 and not lossing any of their previous flavour. Of course, we should mock the EU, but BMW could have done better, maybe the lci fixes it
@@ardoin_337 BMW sells way more cars than Chevy in Europe, so their fleet emissions restrictions are more difficult. Also, that 5.5 V8 on a 2.0 tonne AWD sedan would have worse emissions numbers
@ how many C8 Z06’s are you seeing on European roads? ICE cars, fortunately, are still not forbidden. But overly strict regulations and high taxation makes it really difficult for European manufacturers to sell powerful ICE cars for rational amount of money. They opted to use hybrids with small(ish) batteries just to get low CO2 numbers on emission tests, although in normal driving emissions will be much more similar to non-hybrid version. And cars are now similar in emissions, but heavier, more powerful, more expensive, more complex and less engaging to drive. Nobody wins, but that’s the spirit of EU bureaucracy. Your comment doesn’t make any sense, you just commented to oppose with something.
I blame ignorant consumers for readily eating up marketing that makes them believe they need insane power/speed/traction/handling/composure all in one luxurious/coddling/isolating cabin. People no longer value "The Ultimate Driving Machine" and instead prefer Apple Carplay, wavey hand gestures, purple interior lights and autonomous tech.
BMW doesn’t make stripped down race cars for the road. M doesn’t mean lightweight. M means more power, better brakes and suspension. They handle abuse better and resist heat soak better. They are made to be driven harder more regularly. That’s the design brief that distinguishes between an M performance vehicle and a true M. If you would like to tell us about your experience tracking this car, please tell us how it falls short of previous Ms you’ve owned. Specifically tell us about parts that you had to upgrade to achieve an M experience on the road or track. I suspect you’re just whining about weight. Remember people have been whingeing about weight since the E46. BMW released the CSL to give people a lighter option. I’d agree this car is not a CSL but it’s ridiculous to say it’s not an M.
@sportbikejesus spot on. If you look back at previous models, people complained about the e60 M5 when it came out, people complained about the f10 M5, people complained about the e46 m3, the e9X m3s, the g80 m3. People have been hating since the early days. BMW know what they are doing, this car looks so good in person
No point arguing something that can’t be changed, besides you can probably switch of the fake engine noise anyway so it’s no big deal and this car does have a proper engine as well.
They do address it. You can’t change the restrictions on exhausts and exterior sounds. So they give it to you inside. You can turn it off. Some like it, some don’t. What else is there to talk about?
I'm a BMW fanboy but the new M5 really doesn't look appealing to me. I really don't mind the weight or the plugin hybrid system as much as I do with the overall aesthetics of the car. The F90 was such a beautiful looking car so for me this new G90 is a visual downgrade. So for this comparison, I'd pick the RS6. It's such a good looking car.
The M5 is newer, certainly more modern and probably also a bit faster. But the RS6 is the more beautiful, more harmonious and also cheaper car. For me, the RS6 is still the king in this class!
We all have different priorities. If you like the king of understeer and don't mind having zero driving feeling, sure, go with the RS6. Most family men buy RS6 to have space for children and the baby carriage and the safer understeer characteristics of an Audi. But if you desire driving feelings, there is only the Ultimate driving machine :)
I love Car Magazine and I've been buying it for decades but I've long taken their doe-eyed love of BMW with a large pinch of salt. Because put simply, on our UK roads, I've never driven a BMW where I wasn't aware I would be far happier in the equivalent Audi (for the grip) or Mercedes (for the comfort). I understand CAR has always had one foot firmly in the outright pdrformance camp, but now more than ever (due to risible road surfaces, average speed cameras, wall-to-wall speed humps in the cities) a vehicle absolutely needs to be a successful 'compromise'. That's why out of these two I'm 100% certain the RS6 would be my pick.
I was given the new M5 for an afternoon last week as there was a slight delay on collecting my M2, I was very very worried that driving a 150k M5 for the afternoon would utterly ruin the experience of getting the much cheaper M2. But I wasn't even remotely sad to be handing them the M5 back. It's absolutely beautfiul but it's too intense, too much, too crazy, you cannot use that car to anywhere near it's potential whilst staying safe and legal. Dip the throttle and you're breaking the law within 1-2 seconds regardless of where you are. The people who can afford something like this will actually have something to lose and a conscience preventing them from enjoying what this offers. As a cruiser it's lush, but I'm pretty sure the regular 5 series is just as nice inside.
@@NeilCrossyVery interesting, and definitely related to the point I was making. If you're wealthy enough to own a stable of expensive cars then the M5 makes sense, but as a daily all-round driver it's just too powerful and too big.
It's not easy to be the king on the hill. BMW, being the ultimate driving machine, is simply often flawless. Auto journalists fight to find anything negative to say about these M-cars but end up saying "this knob is not turning in a satisfactory way", just so they don't sound biased. That is the curse of being the king :)
Not everybody loves a true driving machine. Many love the security of the understeer king (Audi). They want to know, wayyyyy before they reach their own driving limit, that the car tells them it has reached it's own limits. Hence why most family men buy an RS6 :)
If you are a "true" BMW fanatic, aka a driving fanatic loving to drive, you would NEVER accept the king of understeer. It's like saying I'm a steak fanatic but I prefer vegan food :) You see how false your statement is and how we see it from a mile away? :)
Outstanding episode guys, love the insight you bring to the new era of hybrid vehicles. If I had the money, it would be tough choice but I probably would go for the Audi. The BMW is a bit too much of everything in its approach to the interior, too many icons, too many led lights, too many modes and so it goes on. The Audi looks simpler, classier, more focussed, and I am guessing maybe easier to live with.
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Dude said "lets not pretend that last M5 was a featherweight it was pushing almost 2 ton", yeah and you had a CS with 1800ish kg, whch was spectular. This is 400 kg more than last gen base M5, to throw on 400kg in a single generation is atrocious.
it will not last long. Heard all the same things about the M2 when it came out. Ugly, heavy etc.. Now look at the comments when a new M2 Vid comes out.
@@somerandomfella that's weird the tail lights are my favorite part 😂 they look so unique. Usualy u see tail lights that resemble other cars but nothing else on the road looks like those.
One additional variable that should be considered in the M5 is its all electric mode which allows you short commutes with great efficiency. At the expense of weight, that is something you don’t get in the RS6.
Get the RS6 Performance before it is too late, as the next one will be going the same way as this M5. The drivetrain on the C9 RS7 Avant will be a later iteration of that used in the Panamera Turbo S E-hybrid, so hardly a secret as to what it will weigh and what it will "do". Probably just as heavy, just as large, and just as fast as this M5. All seems a bit pointless. Should have been the M5 Touring for this comparison test. An RS7 Performance is the right line-up against an M5 sedan, can't imagine many actual buyers would flick between body types when considering a purchase. If Ben had had an M5 Touring for a week performing the same duties in the same varied conditions through which the RS6 Performance was apparently flawless would he have felt the same? The M5 hybrid seems a little manic, too large and way overweight to pretend being a track car for quick and seemingly uncomfortable squirts along a B-road. It would be illuminating to see this team do the same test between the M3 Touring and the M5 Touring. Looks are completely subjective. But for me, the F90 were quite good looking re. exterior design; this looks like a cheap kit car in comparison. I can understand why they have replaced their design team.
@@PEACEOUTXX1 because it's not always about performance metric, like you are driving always on the limit especialy in the western countries where nowdays you are fined and taxed basically for breathing. I can afford all of them but I choose RS6 Performance for my garage, it's the last of his kind and I dont care about 1 sec difference 0-100 or the lap time on Nurburgring where I will never drive it anyways.
RS6 for me, the fat ugly BMW just does nothing for me. Hearing mixed reviews some say it hides its weight, others say it doesn’t at all - I’m believing the latter.
@@chethemerc7841 I just say if you still think design from the 90s looks the best. You are not open for new design. I dont say the new M5 is the best looking, but absolutly not the e39.
The Avant wins in my book, hands down. If you’ve driven one you know what I mean. Exceptional interior, thin alcantara steering rim, comfortable ride, fast as anything else on the road, sounds fantastic… need I go on
I don't know why people are hating on the new M5. I think it's a good looking car. And the weight of the car is only a factor if you're tracking the car every day. Which 99.9999999999999% of people won't be doing. Most people will be gunning it down the highway, showing it off on a boulevard or will be stuck in a traffic jam for most of the time. So stop whining about the weight.
Here we go again with this track bs arguments 🤦🏾♂️. Have you ever drive an SuV like an Escalade or a Truck? The weight is something to really consider and be careful about when you take a corner. Also you didn’t think about the thing people do the most : braking . So an heavier car is more difficult to stop from 60 to 0 , and difficult to manage in corner on daily basis. You don’t need to track it to have to deal with the common physics the weight brings. It’s a sport car , it shouldn’t have this kind of issue. Now add 3 more adults in the car and you are closing the gap to 3 tonnes. And all the issues listed above become more pronounced.
@@DKhalil Are you actually comparing an Escalade with a sedan? Do you understand what center of gravity is? Do you understand that the center of gravity has more baring on taking a corner and how the car handles? So, you're taking corners with 100 mph on a daily basis, do you? It's not a sportscar. It's a family sedan. First you compare it to an SUV and now you think an M5 is a sportscar. Ffs. A BMW X5M is probably also a sportscar to you. Did you even watch the video? Did you hear them complain about the handling in the corners? Of course there's physics involved but in the real world 9 times out of 10 you won't even notice it, because you won't be pushing the car to it's limit to notice it.
Bullshit... Weight affects EVERYTHING. Speed, ride, driving feeling and consumables. You drive it on the street, you're using more tires, more brakes, bushings will wear out quicker, joints will wear out quicker, everything wears your quicker even the roads. Yes you might save a bit of fuel, but everything else will consume more, but because tires, brakes, etc aren't regulated and accounted in emissions, they get away with it. If this new M5 is very good to drive, then imagine how good it would have been with all that tech and suspension tuning, but with 500kg less.
My personal hate is based on the fact that manufacturers just take away the choice of pure gas-driven sports cars from consumers and force consumers to buy what they want consumers to buy or simply force consumers to walk away. BTW, I have always been a BMW fan, currently driving a 2024 M8 gran coupe and previous car was an M550i.
No comments on the design? The RS6 especially in that shade of red just blows the M5 out of the water. I could not care less if the M5 managed to hide its weight or not when it looks like a cheap chinese car next to the menacing looking RS6.
For me a performance car does need to look the part and this new M5 looks awful to me. The old one was a bit plain but it had some athleticism in the design and I liked it (and I owned one). The RS6 on the other hand looks gorgeous and gets the balance of performance and family practicality just right. Hope Audi don’t screw that up with the new one 🙄
@ UK, did 22,000 miles and it rinsed me, drive it slow or ring its neck out and it made no odds, the only plus was I used to get lots of Shell points from the station 😂
@@timmietz I can handle low MPG in Supercar’s, part of the territory, each drive is an occasion. I daily a 992 Carrera T now and that in all fairness is pretty efficient
How can you conscionably recommend this new M5 over what is probably one of the last ICE Halo cars of our time. Having owned an F90 Competition and a 2024 RS6 Perf - And having recently driven the new G90, I cannot fathom, how a supposedly sophisticated car magazine, can come to the conclusion the G90 is the better choice. Objectively, having an ICE plugin Hybrid, will have inferior resale, due to the inherent rate of change of improvement of technology of the EV secondary motors. The G90s looks are pretty questionable, the car feels huge and cumbersome, the build quality ,desirability, fit and finish is not in the same league as the RS6, its got augmented sound (and the core sound is pretty quiet), the G90 is not as good a grand tourer as the RS6 - it doesnt feel as compliant, particularly on air suspension like for like- whereas The RS6 doubles as a super wagon and a limousine. its literally objectively not close, but most importantly, any real car enthusiast, is buying the last of the straight ICE variants over the Hybrids - no doubt the forthcoming RS7 will share the same setup as the Panamera Turbo with circa 780bhp, and be absurdly fast - however, it will not go down as a classic, where as the current performance variant undoubtedly will.
What I don’t understand is why they’re comparing the current gen M5 to the F90 M5 CS. They should be comparing to the F90 Competition as that was the car most people got and the only M5 available in North America. And that car should blow the G90 out of the water for engagement and driving feel. Throttle House compared the G90 to a regular M5 and they felt the G90 is just less engaging, less fun and less agile. It’s a miss.
@ right but you’re saying it’s not as good dynamically as the M5 CS, BUT it’s also not a fair comparison. But then you don’t compare it to the regular F90 or F90 Competition. So in fact you DID compare it to the CS, while just acknowledging they’re in different classes a generation part. Surely you can see how that’s a bit of a cop out. You couldn’t find an F90 M5/M5 Comp and compare the handling/engagement of the two generations? Everyone reviewing this car has avoided doing that with the exception of Throttle House. I really don’t understand why.
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If that car sounds good to you mate then I am afraid you have never heard a good-sounding car, and not to mention that fake noise in the cabin, man its horrendous
@ exactly my point! In test you’re testing in ideal conditions! Not exactly the experience anyone considering buying it will endure after only 23 miles of electic range. This car only has the battery for fiscal reasons and to help BmW achieve the mandatory Co2 average emissions target.
I'm not fun of new Bmw, they looks like Mondeo. No style, heavy as hell and huge tablet,plastic everywhere ... Mercedes is not better, with tablet everywhere and pink colour looks like room for teenager.
Car reviews nowadays are so predictable and one dimensional for example the rs6 is better than the m5 in almost everything better looking sounding more composed and comfortable but it still managed to lose bro the rs6 always used to be the more versatile car yet it never won against a bmw m5 because of driving dynamics but when the rs6 was the better to drive they switched the narrative
That RS6 is a gorgeous looking thing. The M5 looks great as a wagon but pig ugly as a saloon with that weird sloping boot. RS6 a way better car but last of the breed.
The ending with just the M5 on a curvy road reminded me of that banned Reebok commercial... you know... bungee jumping... and only one guy left hanging off that bridge...
BMW does it again. The comments can hate or say whatever they want. But 2 car guys just drove both and gave the M engineering yet another win for its segment of cars. Whats the score now ? Bmw up 1000 wins?
The fact that, with all these emission regulations around the world and everyone is going with a 3 or 4 cylinder, while BMW is still giving us a V8, all yall can complained about is the weight?
Actually really like the new M5 muscular looks and fact that they keep V8😊, but they should just use V8 without hybrid system for just adding complications and weight 😢. Great video keep it up with great work ❤❤
Joe Achilles is the only UA-camr that actually did a 0-60 and 0-140mph tests, and what was the result? In the new G90 M5, 0-60 was 3.1 seconds, and how fast was it from 0-140mph compared to the F90 M5? The G90 M5 was .7 faster to 140mph than the previous generation.
Interesting that it was the saloon variant of the M5 against the RS6. Right result despite that though plus the touring would add even better practicality over the saloon. The next gen RS6 is likely to be as heavy if additional hybridisation capability and electric range is added. Having the best of what they can is the right call by bmw rather than sell out early and regret it and see issues like Porsche selling electric only..
If you own either of these two fine cars, you are laughing and have made it in life. And every single drive in them has the potential to be exciting. Both have commanding presence on the road also.
They should have commented on price comparison too. BMW is well priced vs an outgoing RS6. If only the boot of the M5 touring had 50-100L more then it would be the near perfect car.
So to some in a perfect world, if the looks couldn't be change but the weight could be reduced, what would be the ideal realistic weight to this M5? Or what would be your perfect M5?
I absolutely HATE that BMW have turned the iconic M5 into an Ever Ready battery machine. That is sacriligeous! I've had nine BMs [5 V8s] but won't have ten!
Both great cars but reviewers completely miss glaring omissions : 15 gallon tank makes for horrible range even with hybrid, $2600 in gas guzzler tax 2X as much as RS6A in a hybrid that ‘allegedly’ gets 50mpgin hybrid mode , horrible resale vs RS6 , bmw took away soft close doors for the m5 . As a reminder for the m5 that’s >$10k in taxes alone .
Not even 2 minutes in and I hear the previous M5 was getting on for 2 tonnes and this new one is a continuation of that... it's a 20% increase in weight! The F90 was lighter than the prior F10. There is no reason that can justify the weight of the new M5. It's heavier than the Tesla Model X and LWB 7 series and around the same as a fully loaded, full fat L460 range rover.
RS6 Performance... a formula tried by Audi after the huge success of M CS models... but they didn't get it there.. On the other hand, let's see what Audi can bring on the table before criticising the new M5... 😁🤷♂️
Which car gets your vote - M5 or RS6?
Neither
RS6
M5
M5... love the widebody look and better interior and performance. The rs6 can't even compete with a m3 TOURING..let alone a less heavy m3 comp xdrive
Let's see the new Mercedes first
For years we’ve been listening to car journalists telling us that absolute cardinal sin for a car is too much weight…….until BMW increase a models weight by 500kg, then listen to them come out with ridiculous claims that you can’t even notice it/its not a big deal 😂
We didn’t say you can’t notice it, but we did say that BMW has done an excellent job of making the car excellent to drive in spite of the weight.
So BMW have managed to defy the laws of physics, maybe they should have been mentoring Einstein and hawking?
I can only imagine if it had been an AMG/RS product to jump this much in weight first what car journalists would have had to say. At least it won’t be a stick you can beat them with when they inevitably have to follow suit, look forward to their next versions and your reviews.
@@lukeeddy "The M5 is expanding..."
@@CARmagazineTVrevisit the review you did in(and on) the gr86 one year ago, on the same roads; your opinion on heavy vehicles sounded very differently than what we can hear now. #strange
Was it even any doubt about the M5 being the vastly better car in every possible way? Maybe if you were born yesterday.
NOTHING beats a BMW, except a Ferrari :)
As a fan of the understeer king (Audi) or a fan of the oversteer king (AMG) I understand your anger but at some point logic has to overcome your biased feelings.
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
We're all mocking BMW for this hybrid mammoth but everyone forgets new emission standards and high push towards the EV resulted in this kind of cars. I'm pretty sure BMW would never consider this car by themselves, if not for rigorous CO2 taxes etc.
the new panamera turbo makes less power and is faster, and then is the turbo s, both hybrids the same weight as the M5 and not lossing any of their previous flavour. Of course, we should mock the EU, but BMW could have done better, maybe the lci fixes it
C8 Z06 has an NA V8, idk what BMW's excuse was.
@@ardoin_337 BMW sells way more cars than Chevy in Europe, so their fleet emissions restrictions are more difficult. Also, that 5.5 V8 on a 2.0 tonne AWD sedan would have worse emissions numbers
@ how many C8 Z06’s are you seeing on European roads?
ICE cars, fortunately, are still not forbidden. But overly strict regulations and high taxation makes it really difficult for European manufacturers to sell powerful ICE cars for rational amount of money.
They opted to use hybrids with small(ish) batteries just to get low CO2 numbers on emission tests, although in normal driving emissions will be much more similar to non-hybrid version. And cars are now similar in emissions, but heavier, more powerful, more expensive, more complex and less engaging to drive. Nobody wins, but that’s the spirit of EU bureaucracy.
Your comment doesn’t make any sense, you just commented to oppose with something.
I blame ignorant consumers for readily eating up marketing that makes them believe they need insane power/speed/traction/handling/composure all in one luxurious/coddling/isolating cabin. People no longer value "The Ultimate Driving Machine" and instead prefer Apple Carplay, wavey hand gestures, purple interior lights and autonomous tech.
Not a true //M. This should be rebadged as an M560e. That's what it is.
Shut up, dude!
BMW doesn’t make stripped down race cars for the road. M doesn’t mean lightweight. M means more power, better brakes and suspension. They handle abuse better and resist heat soak better. They are made to be driven harder more regularly. That’s the design brief that distinguishes between an M performance vehicle and a true M. If you would like to tell us about your experience tracking this car, please tell us how it falls short of previous Ms you’ve owned. Specifically tell us about parts that you had to upgrade to achieve an M experience on the road or track.
I suspect you’re just whining about weight. Remember people have been whingeing about weight since the E46. BMW released the CSL to give people a lighter option. I’d agree this car is not a CSL but it’s ridiculous to say it’s not an M.
@sportbikejesus spot on. If you look back at previous models, people complained about the e60 M5 when it came out, people complained about the f10 M5, people complained about the e46 m3, the e9X m3s, the g80 m3. People have been hating since the early days. BMW know what they are doing, this car looks so good in person
I’m getting sick of journalists not calling out the fake noise in the cabin, How can you be a petrol head and think that this is acceptable?
No point arguing something that can’t be changed, besides you can probably switch of the fake engine noise anyway so it’s no big deal and this car does have a proper engine as well.
Cant be changed ha okay. @SunnyS3506
because maybe it sounds good.
because maybe it sounds good.
They do address it. You can’t change the restrictions on exhausts and exterior sounds. So they give it to you inside. You can turn it off. Some like it, some don’t. What else is there to talk about?
I'm a BMW fanboy but the new M5 really doesn't look appealing to me. I really don't mind the weight or the plugin hybrid system as much as I do with the overall aesthetics of the car. The F90 was such a beautiful looking car so for me this new G90 is a visual downgrade. So for this comparison, I'd pick the RS6. It's such a good looking car.
Tú no eres de BMW
No one liked the beaver tooth m3, but now people like it.
F90 looks dated
Fanboy? You're a grown ass man lol
@@rg6982 cry me a river
Everyone said that about the m3/m4 but now they like it
The M5 is newer, certainly more modern and probably also a bit faster. But the RS6 is the more beautiful, more harmonious and also cheaper car. For me, the RS6 is still the king in this class!
Nah even the previous F90 M5 Comp and of course the CS top the RS6!
@@JCizzleSoCalExact.
We all have different priorities. If you like the king of understeer and don't mind having zero driving feeling, sure, go with the RS6. Most family men buy RS6 to have space for children and the baby carriage and the safer understeer characteristics of an Audi. But if you desire driving feelings, there is only the Ultimate driving machine :)
AMG
Rs6 king of losing
I love Car Magazine and I've been buying it for decades but I've long taken their doe-eyed love of BMW with a large pinch of salt.
Because put simply, on our UK roads, I've never driven a BMW where I wasn't aware I would be far happier in the equivalent Audi (for the grip) or Mercedes (for the comfort). I understand CAR has always had one foot firmly in the outright pdrformance camp, but now more than ever (due to risible road surfaces, average speed cameras, wall-to-wall speed humps in the cities) a vehicle absolutely needs to be a successful 'compromise'. That's why out of these two I'm 100% certain the RS6 would be my pick.
I was given the new M5 for an afternoon last week as there was a slight delay on collecting my M2, I was very very worried that driving a 150k M5 for the afternoon would utterly ruin the experience of getting the much cheaper M2. But I wasn't even remotely sad to be handing them the M5 back. It's absolutely beautfiul but it's too intense, too much, too crazy, you cannot use that car to anywhere near it's potential whilst staying safe and legal. Dip the throttle and you're breaking the law within 1-2 seconds regardless of where you are. The people who can afford something like this will actually have something to lose and a conscience preventing them from enjoying what this offers. As a cruiser it's lush, but I'm pretty sure the regular 5 series is just as nice inside.
@@NeilCrossyVery interesting, and definitely related to the point I was making.
If you're wealthy enough to own a stable of expensive cars then the M5 makes sense, but as a daily all-round driver it's just too powerful and too big.
It's not easy to be the king on the hill. BMW, being the ultimate driving machine, is simply often flawless. Auto journalists fight to find anything negative to say about these M-cars but end up saying "this knob is not turning in a satisfactory way", just so they don't sound biased. That is the curse of being the king :)
Rs6 for me 🫶🫶🫶🫶🫶🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
Audi 💩
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Not everybody loves a true driving machine. Many love the security of the understeer king (Audi). They want to know, wayyyyy before they reach their own driving limit, that the car tells them it has reached it's own limits. Hence why most family men buy an RS6 :)
I love the M5 and that’s the reason why I bought one 😂
I couldnt decide, so i bought both 😇
I love how "journalists" are not saying anything bad so they can keep getting the cars to review.
Its people who don't afford the cars who always have bad things to say😂
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@@leviconspiraciescircle jerk all you want nothing changes the car sucks
@@leviconspiracies Or those who already owned an M5 before and they know what tf is going on.
All of them do this, in all countries.
RS6 all the way, from a bmw fanatic
No you are not a bmw fanash!t
bet you can't afford neither
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If you are a "true" BMW fanatic, aka a driving fanatic loving to drive, you would NEVER accept the king of understeer.
It's like saying I'm a steak fanatic but I prefer vegan food :) You see how false your statement is and how we see it from a mile away? :)
That M5 Weighs more than my VW California!😢
But still beats all its rivals that are ligher
What does that even mean….”beats”. What a stupid statement, who are u racing? Lol. And if that’s all u care about, buy an electric car.
It weighs more than a ford F150
No!... 2.5 tonnes is not a continuation of 2 tonnes. A 20% increase in weight is an insane amount over one generation!
Outstanding episode guys, love the insight you bring to the new era of hybrid vehicles. If I had the money, it would be tough choice but I probably would go for the Audi. The BMW is a bit too much of everything in its approach to the interior, too many icons, too many led lights, too many modes and so it goes on. The Audi looks simpler, classier, more focussed, and I am guessing maybe easier to live with.
Thank you!
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Dude said "lets not pretend that last M5 was a featherweight it was pushing almost 2 ton", yeah and you had a CS with 1800ish kg, whch was spectular. This is 400 kg more than last gen base M5, to throw on 400kg in a single generation is atrocious.
Thanks, I came here to say that
It's almost 500 kg actually 😂😂
@@szotakandrei To put it in perspective, its as heavy as an X5. A sports oriented M car, crazy.
Yeah. I can't understand why they try to downplay such a huge weight increase.
Imagine seeing a brand new M5 but then preferring a 5 year old RS6.
it will not last long. Heard all the same things about the M2 when it came out. Ugly, heavy etc..
Now look at the comments when a new M2 Vid comes out.
@v8rockz I actually liked the square muscular looks of an M2 from day one. Only dislike is the rear tail lights.
@@somerandomfella Yes, same for me. But most of the people hated the M2 after release. I love the look. People will get used to the new M5..^^
@@somerandomfella that's weird the tail lights are my favorite part 😂 they look so unique. Usualy u see tail lights that resemble other cars but nothing else on the road looks like those.
5 year old m5 f90 shits all over rs6
They should get gold medals for the mental gymnastics they performed in this video. Maybe add rings for the verbal break dancing…
😂
I sense you’re just upset they chose the BMW over the Audi
@@JCizzleSoCal I don’t think you sense anything. But we’re all out of medals and rings, so here’s a trophy for you. 🏆
...so you have driven both cars and know better than the car journalists? That or you don't understand how opinions work.
@@jw6188 you spitting or swallowing? Here…🏆
One additional variable that should be considered in the M5 is its all electric mode which allows you short commutes with great efficiency. At the expense of weight, that is something you don’t get in the RS6.
Get the RS6 Performance before it is too late, as the next one will be going the same way as this M5.
The drivetrain on the C9 RS7 Avant will be a later iteration of that used in the Panamera Turbo S E-hybrid, so hardly a secret as to what it will weigh and what it will "do". Probably just as heavy, just as large, and just as fast as this M5. All seems a bit pointless.
Should have been the M5 Touring for this comparison test. An RS7 Performance is the right line-up against an M5 sedan, can't imagine many actual buyers would flick between body types when considering a purchase.
If Ben had had an M5 Touring for a week performing the same duties in the same varied conditions through which the RS6 Performance was apparently flawless would he have felt the same? The M5 hybrid seems a little manic, too large and way overweight to pretend being a track car for quick and seemingly uncomfortable squirts along a B-road. It would be illuminating to see this team do the same test between the M3 Touring and the M5 Touring.
Looks are completely subjective. But for me, the F90 were quite good looking re. exterior design; this looks like a cheap kit car in comparison. I can understand why they have replaced their design team.
Rather get a m5 cs or m3 touring. Why would u get the worse car in every performance metric compared too those 2 animals
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@@PEACEOUTXX1 because it's not always about performance metric, like you are driving always on the limit especialy in the western countries where nowdays you are fined and taxed basically for breathing. I can afford all of them but I choose RS6 Performance for my garage, it's the last of his kind and I dont care about 1 sec difference 0-100 or the lap time on Nurburgring where I will never drive it anyways.
@@deanborisov last of its kind in a segment where the m5 comp and M5 cs are better with better engines.
I honestly didn’t like the F90 at all, it looked like a regular 5 series. I have to admit that I am a big fan of the new M models…
I see the designer's children have been allowed to do the front end again.
RS6 for me, the fat ugly BMW just does nothing for me. Hearing mixed reviews some say it hides its weight, others say it doesn’t at all - I’m believing the latter.
As a serial BMW owner, I think this isn't as ugly as it could have been.
That's about as much of a compliment as I could give.
Not for me.
For the past 30 years most new BMWs have received negative response on their design in their first year, before becoming the most popular.
@richardlabeja remember when everyone hated the new m3/4 front grill. It's defo gonna grow on people
They say the M5 is too heavy. Not too many sports cars can go 190 mph that weigh a lot less
Always had RS6s love them. Hate this M5 id have an e39 one though. Best looking BMW ever made.
If you still think E39 looks the best, It says it all..
@D-nort2 says what? That i could afford a new RS6 and an E39 M5 for a summer only motor. Plus all the other motors iv got.
@@chethemerc7841 I just say if you still think design from the 90s looks the best. You are not open for new design. I dont say the new M5 is the best looking, but absolutly not the e39.
@D-nort2 how do you explain the E-type. Jaguar.
The Avant wins in my book, hands down. If you’ve driven one you know what I mean. Exceptional interior, thin alcantara steering rim, comfortable ride, fast as anything else on the road, sounds fantastic… need I go on
You guys never pick the RS6 as winner, absolutely no sense to pick this M5 over the RS6
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I don't know why people are hating on the new M5. I think it's a good looking car. And the weight of the car is only a factor if you're tracking the car every day. Which 99.9999999999999% of people won't be doing. Most people will be gunning it down the highway, showing it off on a boulevard or will be stuck in a traffic jam for most of the time. So stop whining about the weight.
Here we go again with this track bs arguments 🤦🏾♂️.
Have you ever drive an SuV like an Escalade or a Truck? The weight is something to really consider and be careful about when you take a corner.
Also you didn’t think about the thing people do the most : braking .
So an heavier car is more difficult to stop from 60 to 0 , and difficult to manage in corner on daily basis. You don’t need to track it to have to deal with the common physics the weight brings.
It’s a sport car , it shouldn’t have this kind of issue.
Now add 3 more adults in the car and you are closing the gap to 3 tonnes. And all the issues listed above become more pronounced.
@@DKhalil Are you actually comparing an Escalade with a sedan? Do you understand what center of gravity is? Do you understand that the center of gravity has more baring on taking a corner and how the car handles?
So, you're taking corners with 100 mph on a daily basis, do you?
It's not a sportscar. It's a family sedan. First you compare it to an SUV and now you think an M5 is a sportscar. Ffs. A BMW X5M is probably also a sportscar to you.
Did you even watch the video? Did you hear them complain about the handling in the corners?
Of course there's physics involved but in the real world 9 times out of 10 you won't even notice it, because you won't be pushing the car to it's limit to notice it.
They hate on every BMW. The M3/4 was trashed. The M2 was trashed.
Bullshit... Weight affects EVERYTHING. Speed, ride, driving feeling and consumables. You drive it on the street, you're using more tires, more brakes, bushings will wear out quicker, joints will wear out quicker, everything wears your quicker even the roads.
Yes you might save a bit of fuel, but everything else will consume more, but because tires, brakes, etc aren't regulated and accounted in emissions, they get away with it.
If this new M5 is very good to drive, then imagine how good it would have been with all that tech and suspension tuning, but with 500kg less.
My personal hate is based on the fact that manufacturers just take away the choice of pure gas-driven sports cars from consumers and force consumers to buy what they want consumers to buy or simply force consumers to walk away. BTW, I have always been a BMW fan, currently driving a 2024 M8 gran coupe and previous car was an M550i.
No comments on the design? The RS6 especially in that shade of red just blows the M5 out of the water. I could not care less if the M5 managed to hide its weight or not when it looks like a cheap chinese car next to the menacing looking RS6.
Yeah that BMW looks terrible next to that RS6.
For me a performance car does need to look the part and this new M5 looks awful to me. The old one was a bit plain but it had some athleticism in the design and I liked it (and I owned one).
The RS6 on the other hand looks gorgeous and gets the balance of performance and family practicality just right.
Hope Audi don’t screw that up with the new one 🙄
The look of the new M5 alone is enough to make me look elsewhere.
I cant believe I'm saying this but I think the CT5-V Blackwing is the car to have in this segment now.
or the cousin of the M5 thats not coming back M8 Gran Coupe
I agree with you. It's a pity that we don't have it here in South Africa
Keep in mind that 738lbs of torque is impressive considering back in early 2000s that came a v12 turbo that torque figured
Tyres are so important ... those conti's are amazing!
Miss my RS6 dearly, however I do not miss the fuel economy, its was beyond thirsty, like crazy thirsty 🤢
You must not live in the US LOL
@ UK, did 22,000 miles and it rinsed me, drive it slow or ring its neck out and it made no odds, the only plus was I used to get lots of Shell points from the station 😂
Yeah, your gas is expensive. Among my cars, my RS6 is better than my RAPTOR R and my wife’s URUS S. So, it’s all good LOL
@@timmietz I can handle low MPG in Supercar’s, part of the territory, each drive is an occasion. I daily a 992 Carrera T now and that in all fairness is pretty efficient
RS6, please. It looks better, sounds better, and if I'm going to have a wagon, I may as well be cosseted and pampered a bit more.
RS6 with an APR Stage 2 tune with a proper full exhaust would be heavily😏
The irony is that with all the extra weight, the G90 is probably no more efficient than the F90.
How can you conscionably recommend this new M5 over what is probably one of the last ICE Halo cars of our time. Having owned an F90 Competition and a 2024 RS6 Perf - And having recently driven the new G90, I cannot fathom, how a supposedly sophisticated car magazine, can come to the conclusion the G90 is the better choice. Objectively, having an ICE plugin Hybrid, will have inferior resale, due to the inherent rate of change of improvement of technology of the EV secondary motors. The G90s looks are pretty questionable, the car feels huge and cumbersome, the build quality ,desirability, fit and finish is not in the same league as the RS6, its got augmented sound (and the core sound is pretty quiet), the G90 is not as good a grand tourer as the RS6 - it doesnt feel as compliant, particularly on air suspension like for like- whereas The RS6 doubles as a super wagon and a limousine. its literally objectively not close, but most importantly, any real car enthusiast, is buying the last of the straight ICE variants over the Hybrids - no doubt the forthcoming RS7 will share the same setup as the Panamera Turbo with circa 780bhp, and be absurdly fast - however, it will not go down as a classic, where as the current performance variant undoubtedly will.
Audi RS6 everyday for me
BMW ❤️
@@mrr3808 Getting a bit emotional?
What I don’t understand is why they’re comparing the current gen M5 to the F90 M5 CS. They should be comparing to the F90 Competition as that was the car most people got and the only M5 available in North America. And that car should blow the G90 out of the water for engagement and driving feel. Throttle House compared the G90 to a regular M5 and they felt the G90 is just less engaging, less fun and less agile. It’s a miss.
As we stated in the video, we’re specifically not comparing it to the M5 CS as that’s an unfair comparison.
@ right but you’re saying it’s not as good dynamically as the M5 CS, BUT it’s also not a fair comparison. But then you don’t compare it to the regular F90 or F90 Competition. So in fact you DID compare it to the CS, while just acknowledging they’re in different classes a generation part. Surely you can see how that’s a bit of a cop out. You couldn’t find an F90 M5/M5 Comp and compare the handling/engagement of the two generations? Everyone reviewing this car has avoided doing that with the exception of Throttle House. I really don’t understand why.
@@CARmagazineTVCan I get a tracklist for this video (the song that starts near minute 14?)
M now stands for Massive
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If that car sounds good to you mate then I am afraid you have never heard a good-sounding car, and not to mention that fake noise in the cabin, man its horrendous
Uhm, drive beyond the 30-40 miles of EV battery range , and try again.. the 190 HP of the electric engine is gone, but the 230kg extra remain…
The battery never depleted fully during our test - and we didn’t plug it in.
@ exactly my point! In test you’re testing in ideal conditions! Not exactly the experience anyone considering buying it will endure after only 23 miles of electic range. This car only has the battery for fiscal reasons and to help BmW achieve the mandatory Co2 average emissions target.
I'm not fun of new Bmw, they looks like Mondeo. No style, heavy as hell and huge tablet,plastic everywhere ... Mercedes is not better, with tablet everywhere and pink colour looks like room for teenager.
Could have just given the RS6 the win since it'll be the last of it and actual it is better
Rs6 is so beautiful compare to new m5.
RS6 is much better
😂😂😂😂🙄
It certainly looks better, inside and out. Which at this price, matters
In your dreams
Lol 😂
@biafo4541 you need glasses 👓
"It doesn't matter if it's better or worse" - it's a masterpiece :) The whole "test" in a nutshell.
Okay, this car has 577 bhp for the combustion engine, so imagine the huge numbers this engine could achieve when it gets modified
RS6 all day, everyday.
Car reviews nowadays are so predictable and one dimensional for example the rs6 is better than the m5 in almost everything better looking sounding more composed and comfortable but it still managed to lose bro the rs6 always used to be the more versatile car yet it never won against a bmw m5 because of driving dynamics but when the rs6 was the better to drive they switched the narrative
Rs6
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BMW ❤
That RS6 is a gorgeous looking thing. The M5 looks great as a wagon but pig ugly as a saloon with that weird sloping boot. RS6 a way better car but last of the breed.
Α Giulia QV/GTA for me is up to the task, all you need. The new M5 is too heavy.....maybe pointless....maybe....
The ending with just the M5 on a curvy road reminded me of that banned Reebok commercial... you know... bungee jumping... and only one guy left hanging off that bridge...
Everyone (including me) makes the same mistake of hating new BMWs. I did the same with the g80 ms …. I now own one.
Man I loved the G80 from the beginning, sold it now to get the new M5, which in my opinion is looking awesome
Fake exhaust sound or sound coming through speakers are just unacceptable at this price point.
No way around it in 2024 unfortunately.
BMW does it again. The comments can hate or say whatever they want. But 2 car guys just drove both and gave the M engineering yet another win for its segment of cars. Whats the score now ? Bmw up 1000 wins?
As soon as I saw the new cars stats I went straight to my closest dealer and bought one of their last previous gen M5’s
Im going to need a tracklist for this video. The music was great
The fact that, with all these emission regulations around the world and everyone is going with a 3 or 4 cylinder, while BMW is still giving us a V8, all yall can complained about is the weight?
Actually really like the new M5 muscular looks and fact that they keep V8😊, but they should just use V8 without hybrid system for just adding complications and weight 😢.
Great video keep it up with great work ❤❤
Have you tried a 550e? Does it feel sweeter or just as lardy with a bit less oomph?
You guys across the water has the best reviews. Probably it's the accent
Thanks 😂
Joe Achilles is the only UA-camr that actually did a 0-60 and 0-140mph tests, and what was the result? In the new G90 M5, 0-60 was 3.1 seconds, and how fast was it from 0-140mph compared to the F90 M5? The G90 M5 was .7 faster to 140mph than the previous generation.
I’d get the G99 M5 Estate!
2500kg....nope
You can’t afford it so..
You can't afford it anyways so why do you care
So you won’t be upgrading your Kia Rio this year then?
Hahahhahahah
Who cares about the weight though? No M5 customer does, I would say
This was a BMW sponsored review right? At least that’s what showed up on my screen before the video started. Might explain the result!
Song at 14:00 is called Rescued Clementines for anyone wondering.
If anyone buys this car on looks, and says they love the look. They are wrong 😂
Me, for example hahaha
So you have to get over “only” the size, weight and looks? What else could be bad then?
Everyone love to pick on BMW when all the new cars in the top tier is doing the same smh but carry on every 7 years we get the same complaints😊
Interesting that it was the saloon variant of the M5 against the RS6. Right result despite that though plus the touring would add even better practicality over the saloon. The next gen RS6 is likely to be as heavy if additional hybridisation capability and electric range is added. Having the best of what they can is the right call by bmw rather than sell out early and regret it and see issues like Porsche selling electric only..
The M5 is obviously the better car,.. come on guys,.. it’s obvious,….
Absolutely epic review … one of the best of the year. Location, scenery, and two cars in “to die for” colours. Oh, decisions !
If you own either of these two fine cars, you are laughing and have made it in life. And every single drive in them has the potential to be exciting. Both have commanding presence on the road also.
Am i the only one noticing that there are a lot of similarities (in the front especially) with the E60 BMW?
There definitely are subtle similarities
They should have commented on price comparison too. BMW is well priced vs an outgoing RS6. If only the boot of the M5 touring had 50-100L more then it would be the near perfect car.
I knew these guys were going to choose the M5 over the RS6.
Paid advert😂
People talking about the m5s weight and pick the rs6 why not the m3 touring then its more nimble then the rs6 and quicker
You don't like the grill on the M5 but it doesn't matter you can't afford one anyway
So to some in a perfect world, if the looks couldn't be change but the weight could be reduced, what would be the ideal realistic weight to this M5?
Or what would be your perfect M5?
I want last RS6❤
Design and looks of new M5 = 3/10
Subjective for me it’s the first M5 that I give 9/10
I second this
Audi engine placement vs BMW says it all… Audi will push and feel much less enjoyable
I absolutely HATE that BMW have turned the iconic M5 into an Ever Ready battery machine. That is sacriligeous! I've had nine BMs [5 V8s] but won't have ten!
Great review!
Both great cars but reviewers completely miss glaring omissions : 15 gallon tank makes for horrible range even with hybrid, $2600 in gas guzzler tax 2X as much as RS6A in a hybrid that ‘allegedly’ gets 50mpgin hybrid mode , horrible resale vs RS6 , bmw took away soft close doors for the m5 . As a reminder for the m5 that’s >$10k in taxes alone .
Range in the M5 was better than the range in the RS6!
19:36 They totally should have done that w/the S58 and a smaller/lighter battery package
The irony of Ben Barry waving the flag for Audi is not lost upon me.
Great review , better if you had the M5 estate . Let's be honest both of these cars are too wide to be B road weapons (never mind the weight !)
BMW "The Ultimate Driving Machine"
Let's make it as ugly as possible and give it fake sounds...
Not even 2 minutes in and I hear the previous M5 was getting on for 2 tonnes and this new one is a continuation of that... it's a 20% increase in weight! The F90 was lighter than the prior F10. There is no reason that can justify the weight of the new M5. It's heavier than the Tesla Model X and LWB 7 series and around the same as a fully loaded, full fat L460 range rover.
RS6 Performance... a formula tried by Audi after the huge success of M CS models... but they didn't get it there..
On the other hand, let's see what Audi can bring on the table before criticising the new M5... 😁🤷♂️
Great video
Thos M5 is DOUBLE the weight of my STi RA. Let that sink in.