@@mememaster2112 "bogey, three high" that says everything. a full traduction would be "unidentified aircraft to our direct left, high altitude". so they were not in a place where the rear gunner could see them and also they were too far to be detected by the side gunners before the pilot went down to their level to tell they were friendlies.
Hard to tell, if you’re 1000 meters away it’s hard to see marking or anything to identify. Have to be sure because bf-109s were a serious threat to B-17s at the time, and from that distance they might look just like a P-51
year old reply i know... but...... Pilots and gunners spent hours going over silhouette images to better tell at a distance if a aircraft was a friendly or not. 3 of the biggest 'tells' were the wings. "Rounded" wing-tips were generally British fighters. "Squared off" wing-tips were generally German Fighters. And while American fighters tended to have both Rounded wingtips and 'some' slightly squared off wingtips, the vast majority of them had shorter 'noses' than German fighters (ie: the area forward for the cockpit) as a lot of German fighters had guns 'in' the noses next to the engines that required more space for their ammo feeds and such.
@Smileyheckster If you were sitting in a B-17, you would want to know all about a fighter plane(s) about to either save your life or take your life. You would know that the enemy had captured P-51 Mustangs. You would know that the airframe of a Bf-109G looks a lot like a P-51D. You would be looking for any detail that would give away an imposter. If you had binoculars, you would use them to read the serial number on the vertical stabilizer of the fighter plane just like a police officer is keenly interested in license plate numbers and corresponding vehicle identification numbers. Once you were comfortable that they were friendly, you would still want these details to present yourself as a competent professional to friendly intelligence officers that would inevitably ask you about the mission. The planners would want details regarding the rendezvous -- which often did not go as planned. For the movie producer, it is a way to make the audience believe you saw the color of the hands and faces of the red-tailed pilots.
"What did you expect? Welcome sonny? Make yourself at home? Marry my daughter? You gotta remember that these are simple farmers, these are people of the Land, the common clay of the New West. You know, morons!"
If you haven’t already, I’d suggest watching “The Tuskegee Airmen” featuring Laurence Fishburn and Cuba Golding Jr. it’s old, and the quality of the flying scenes is poor but I feel it does a better justice to the 332nd
@Goosa Poosa They do deserve better. While you can say no better or worse in combat performance they also had to fight racism that other squadrons did not, as well as being cognizant of the fact that the future of other black servicemen would be affected by their performance. They had to prove themselves to the enemy as well as to the allies they served with. They deserve to be memorialized for that accomplishment and this movie was shit.
@@ttlfmag3507 George Lucas was trying to appeal to White audiences, which is why he didn't put the overt racist things that happened to the pilots. If you want to see a better movie, I would recommend HBO's Tuskeegee Airman movie instead. It was a LOT better...
Completely opinion based on what everyone sees as the best fighter of the war. Spitfires, Mustangs, 109s, 190s, Corsairs, Yada Yada so on and so fourth, they were all excellent aircraft, period the end.
Scenes like this are actually one of the reasons why I hated the movie and preferred the older Tuskegee Airmen 1995 version. Most of the racism just boiled down to cliched "OMG, they're not white" dialogue. I always felt it tried to do too much, trying to be a a movie about (1) the brotherhood of war, (2) dealing with racism, and (3) the impact of war on young love. Trying to do all three meant there was not enough time to develop a nuanced, intricate story on all three dimensions.
Have to agree. It's a great story no matter which way you look at it but the movie comes across as too broad and is trying too hard to be big entertainment. It fails to hit the mark in any of these categories. Also, I'm not averse to CGI when it's done well and used right but here the battle sequences are so showy and hyper action/dynamic, they play without any real grit and so the realism takes a hit. It's a good stab at honouring the Tuskegee pilots but I can't help but feel they deserved better.
@@logger22 Their accomplishments were inspite of the discrimination, and there I say amplified because of it. So yeah.. The discrimination was a big part of their stories.. You can have one part without the other.
I found the whole bomber pilot/co-pilot, dialogue incredibly cheesy throughout the movie and a disservice to the rest of the brave P-51 pilots who accompanied them.
I watched this last night. Could’ve been a ‘A grade’ movie if it wasn’t for the extremely poor writing. I think maybe they ran out of money after the CGI.
And the CGI sucked too. Maybe not in appearance but in application, once I saw a P-51 turn 180 degrees practically on it's own axis in an ad for this movie I had no interest in seeing it.
Tuskegee Airmen was made in 1995. A lot has happened since then. Like at the end of the movie they claimed they lost no bombers...when in the year 2007 they found out they had lost 27 bombers. Also the 332nd shot down 3 jets on the Berlin raid but didn't mention that the 31st.Fighter Group shot down 5 jets on the same bombing mission. They did not sink a destroyer. It was a Italian destroyer converted into a German torpedo ship and that it did not sink.
These men deserved a better movie. Even the germans. "Red tails, I don't recognize the marking"... Yeah like the bomber group did not get briefed on which figter group was going to escort them. Also not aware of one of the most famous fighter group in the theater.
“I don’t think our escort is going to be much help this trip” ya because the guys who left you undefended to chase scouts where a much better fighter escort
Which damn near didn't happen. The few pilots who chased glory instead of protecting the bombers found themselves either floating down to a POW camp because they were too far from help, or, got back to base, and before the week was out had an M1 in hand for the rest of the war.
@@Tank50us Yeah, except, it's the exact opposite of reality. In reality, early in the war escorts were mandated to stay close to the bombers, which left them no time and space to maneuver and intercept the attacking fighters. It made both the bombers AND the escorts vulnerable. Later on, when General Doolittle took command of the 8th Air Force, the escorts were cut loose to range out in front of the bombers, intercepting the German fighter attacks while they were still forming up, and destroying or disrupting the German fighter formations before they ever had a chance to attack. They were additionally given permission to attack German fighter airfields on the way home from the escort missions. These tactics proved to be MUCH more effective at defending the bombers than did the earlier "stick to the bombers at all costs" method of escort. ua-cam.com/video/PdSyL41D36U/v-deo.html en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Doolittle#Doolittle's_breakthrough_in_fighter_tactics The best way to make sure the German pilots don't attack the next bomber mission, is to KILL them this mission. Not to chase them off to try again tomorrow. And the day after. And the day after that.
@@bronco5334 Yep. We adopted a layered defense strategy and rotated the fighter squadrons to prevent complacency. First we'd run an intruder operation with fast aircraft like the Mosquito to disrupt the airfields. After that, we'd send out a fighter sweep which would (in theory) clear the skies of any aircraft in the air already so that they wouldn't become a threat to the bombers at all. Finally, we had a couple layers of closer-in defensive groups of fighters that would ideally keep the Luftwaffe away from the bombers, but there were usually a few that got through to actually attack the bombers.... but they rarely made it back to their bases. After that, we'd have a second sweep that would hit anything trying to come up to hit the bombers on their way out, and that would result in even more damage to the Luftwaffe. It would also force a realication of their air defense since these fighter groups would also be hitting enemy planes that were making their final approach to the airfields. The idea was, as you pointed out, to destroy the the Luftwaffe and its ability to attack the bombers outright, and make the few that managed regret their life choices. However, if you were the ones assigned to BED, you didn't chase enemy planes to their airfields, you chased them away from the bombers, kill them if you can, but you ideally chased them away from the bombers and into the awaiting jaws of another aircraft. Strategically speaking, who shoots the guy down doesn't matter, as long as that BF109 or FW190 is a smoking wreck on the ground, and the pilot is having to exercise his thumb getting back to base, that would be doing the needed damage.
@Hoa Tattis IIRC the USAAF trialed a few Mosquitoes, but most intruder missions were done by RAF and RCAF Mosquitoes, with some USAAF Black Widows doing such operations at night. When it came to such operations, they were never just the USAAF, all of the allies played a part in the mission to destroy the Luftwaffe.
@Yuri DeKhed , NO! It's because of the significant contributions they all made for my country. Without them, many Bombers' would've gone down, killing or sending our Fly Boys to Nazi Prisons, perhaps us losing WWII. That's why, you idiot.
@@SantiagoTM1 The Tuskegee Airmen were good pilots but since they were less than 1% of the fighter pilots they did little in winning the war. 99% of the German Air Force had no idea who they were. They had a good bomber protection record but were dead last in kills as P-51 pilots while attached to the 15th. Army Air Corp.
@Yuri DeKhed, Sir, it baffles me that you even asked that question!! Obviously, you're NOT an American Citizen. Color means nothing when you're in the Military, Police Force, or Sports Team. With Mathafakas like you, if you don't like things here in America, then get the fuck out, & don't let the door hit U in the Ass on your way out!
@@nedstewart1 Ehhhh, from what I’ve read they did make a name for themselves among the Germans. a Airman who was shot down and captured was interviewed and said “I was amazed at how much the German Stalag commanders knew about us. They opened a file that was full of information on our group. And it is true that they didn’t score as many kills as their counterparts but that can hardly be blamed on them since they were the last of the squadrons to move to Italy and the last to receive Mustangs.
I would be proud to leave bomber protection as ordered and to seek out and destroy the German Air Force and make D-Day possible. You could not destroy the German Air Force staying with the bombers. T.A. made a big mistake staying with the bombers.
This video shows the Redtails flying bubble-canopy P-51D's, but as I remember they flew P-51C's where the plexiglass portions had metal strips in between.
@Hoa Tattis Show proof please. The Americans bombed at day time and the British bombed at night. So how could the Spitfires escort the B-17's if the Brits only bombed at night time? I don't believe you.
@@AndyP998 Movie Tuskegee Airmen was historically inaccurate. At the end of the movie claimed the Airmen lost no bombers. False! They lost 27 bombers to the German Air Force. Then claimed they sank a destroyer. False! It was a Italian destroyer converted into a torpedo boat by the Germans. It did not sink. For the truth GOOGLE: MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT THE TUSKEGEE AIRMEN. go to page 9. Misconception they never lost a bomber..
The only reason I'm not explaining all the reasons why it's hard to identify a plane from another plane is because P-51s were almost never painted during World War II, and the Germans basically always painted their aircraft.
Bro I knew alot of WW2 pilot vets growing up, a few of them were still in that mindset . . . but even they wouldnt outright call people "colored' especially on a mission like that. They were all too scared of dying to care about race, at least in moments like that.
@@frednicholson I've traveled to several countries in the world, and the U.S. is nowhere near the "least" racist nation on Earth. There's a lot of racist nations, and regions of nations, and the U.S. has got it's share. Nice hyperbole, though.
@@rikk319 - lol and which of these countries that you visited our more diverse than ours? Lmao the US is BY FAR AND AWAY the most tolerant, most diverse country on the planet. I know it sounds cool to criticize the US but you’re not even close bud.
This is the only movie I have ever walked out on at a movie theater. I love history and aviation and couldn't wait to see this as I had watched the HBO movie Tuskegee Airmen (which was great) but this movie was just too corny for me.
Every white persons line in this movie is so unnatural. It sounds like it's coming from a chuckie cheese animatronic. That whole bomber scene ruined this movie for me.
@Andrew Barnett When it comes to racism, and if you want to end it I agree with Morgan Freeman when he said, *"You want to stop racism? Stop talkin about it."*
@@melkormorgoththetruedarklo9326 This fool comment section sad stop talking about racism i said him tell that to the Red Tails who had to put up with racism.
Did you know that Japanese AMERICAN citizens (who were interned for no crime whatsoever) were treated worse than German POWs all throughout the USA? They lived in conditions that ENEMY combatants weren't forced to endure. Also the US government drafted young men out of the Internment camps to fight. So Lots of AMERICANS were treated worse than German POWs in the USA.
The fighters were under orders by Gen. Jimmy Doolittle in 1943 to leave bomber formation and to seek out and destroy the German Air Force. Col Davis ordered T.A. (Red Tails) to stay with the bombers. You could not destroy the German Air Force staying with the bombers. Also to leave the bombers for glory was a court marshal offense. Funny in the Red Tails movie this wasn't mentioned. Because of Gen Doolittles orders to abandon the bombers come D-Day the Allies ruled the sky's over Europe and the Tuskegee Airmen were dead last in kills as P-51 pilots in the 15th. Army Air Corp but had a good bomber protection record. Red Tails movie was way inaccurate in telling the truth historically. The white pilots did not leave bomber protection for glory. Another lie was told by the Red Tails movie.
You might have thought that during the pre-flight briefing they would have been notified that their escort that day would be an all-black squadron. Especially since there was so much to-do about them being there in the first place.
You'd think they'd be told the unit number flying escort during the mission brief as well. And if it was one they hadn't heard of before, they would expect to see a set of markings they hadn't seen before.
the black pilots were a secret and honestly they never flew that close to be seen like that. only time they found out was when planes crashed at the black airfields
The bombers never knew the Red Tails (For the first several escort missions, the 332nd did not have a Red Tail paint) were black (They were masked and goggled up)....That is until one of the bombers which was shot up had to make an emergency landing at Ramiteli Airbase (The 332nd home base)... The bombers saw the Red Tails and were initially very happy...That is until they saw that they were black...(let's just say that some of the bomber crew had that same reaction as that those Neo Nazis had in that Dave Chappele KKK skit)
Bomber and ground crews often included servicemen who had washed out of flight school for whatever reason and it was outraging for some to realize there were people they considered inferior in intellect and ability achieving where they failed. Not surprisingly, the rage of being passed by perceived "lessers" wasn't just a racial thing. Women's Air Service Pilots (WASPS) who were tasked with multiple air duties during WWII including flight testing, ferrying aircraft to depots and bases around the country, target towing, and flight training faced similar "entitlement" rage.
@@jkorshak The Tuskegee Airmen were dead last in kills as P-51 pilots while flying for the 15th. Army Air Corp. Below is official records. TABLE I: FIGHTER GROUPS OF THE FIFTEENTH AIR FORCE IN WORLD WAR II Organization Total aerial victories June 1944-April 1945 1 st Fighter Group 72(used P-38's) 14th Fighter Group 85(used P-38's) 31st Fighter Group 278 52d Fighter Group 224.5 82d Fighter Group 106 325th Fighter Group 252 332d Fighter Group 94 TUSKEGEE AIRMEN. ONLY 94 KILLS. LAST PLACE. Sources: USAF Historical Study No. 85
@@nedstewart1 Over how much time did these groups accumulate their kills? If they were activated late in the war, of course they'd have less kills. German pilots had more kills than anyone, as they'd been fattening up on Polish, French, and Soviet fighters for years. A more accurate reading of combat effectiveness would be kills per sortie. Have that data?
@@rikk319 they've also yet to properly reference that document that they're supposedly getting their data from, I've scanned all the relevant sections of it now and found nothing remotely resembling what thay're claiming.
Brave mans on the sky ... people in bomber and people in fighter to be one .....this moment is touch your heart.....delete about color of skin... respect all the people.,.. Best regard
Horrible didactic dialogue. All the characters are speaking to the audience rather than to each other. When the dialogue is that unnatural, no actor is going to make it sound natural.
We don't wanna talk about the nasty experiments with "bad blood", right? Let's just tell the part of the brave airmen and not tell the part in which they were infected with various STD without even telling them.
I read somewhere that it did happen and they think what sunk the ship was that he hit and set off a depth charge and the whole rack went up. Lucky shot. Ballsy move, but lucky shot.
I just seen that clip WOW what a joke. You'd think the producers and writers would have done some research considering its about actual historical events. A fighter could never sink a destroyer with guns alone. It never happened and could not ever happen. How can they get things so wrong when there's literally library's full of history books written on ww2. And they still can't get shit accurate.
This movie was "inspired" not "based on" history, so it measn its not supposed to be historically accurate, but it is supposed to be historically authentic which it is and im thankfull for it because in most cases historical accuracy simply doesn't matter
@@notrius775430 mil acts like .50 .50 acts like 20 mil Jets apparently climb and are not protected by escorts(Jv44) An SS Jadgedschwader?! what?! Oh and the landing "show em a little trick" moment..
@@u.nforcesalx9892 Oh look, heres another nerd who can't watch a fucking movie cause its a little unrealistic, bro shut the fuck up and go get a six pack and try to get laid.
bogeys three o'clock high... belly turret swings into action 🙃 a little less computer graphics - a little more brains behind the storytelling but that's not the trend in todays war movies I am afraid
I'm just gonna say it. These dudes really don't sell the characters that they are portraying. Like, at all. I mean, these guys are supposed to be the product of a segregated America. Now I'm not entirely sure what bomber group or mission they are escorting in this scene however, given the general attitudes of Americans at the time, there should be more vitriol and disgust in their voices at finding out that they are being escorted by colored pilots. These guys sound like they don't even want to be saying what they are saying.
@@JD_79 likely, yes, especially considering the astonishing losses daytime raids suffered before the introduction of the P-51. However, this was also a time period that was heavy with racial tension and these actors fail to immerse me. The job of an actor is to bring a role to life, even if the character holds beliefs you don't agree with.
“More vitriol and disgust.” Really lmao? Most of the people in b17s were probably too busy dealing with flak, enemy fighters, and operating their own aircraft than they were to be upset about that. The idea that people were just so angry during the mission over something like that is hilariously silly. It’s not how people actually act, especially when in combat lmao.
@@JD_79 Once they spotterd the German Air Force the fighters under orders left left bomber eofmation except for the Tuskegee Airmen to seek out and destroy the German Air Force. You could not destroy the German Air Force staying with the bombers. Because they abandoned the bombers D-Day was made possible.
The officers probably would have. It was an educated sort of word to use and they would have been very self-conscious of appearing to be a member of their class. The gunners in the back probably would have used a rougher vernacular of the sort employed professionally by soldiers in all eras. But, the silliest part of this is not how they addressed the issue, but that this all takes them by surprised. In actuality, the bomber crew would have been briefed as to when the would expect escorts to arrive, which fighter group they were with and so forth as part of the mission briefing. Thus, the officers at least would have known to be expecting the 99th Fighter Squadron and would have known at least from "skuttlebutt" that it was a colored fighter squadron with markings indicating such. The Army air service was very keen on using the Tuskegee pilots for propaganda purposes to boost morale and support for the war back in the USA especially among the African-American communities who were understandably less keen to be fighting a war for a country that at the time didn't treat them justly. Thus they promoted the existence and success of the colored pilots heavily in propaganda posters, new reels before movies, and newspaper articles. It was at this time that the myth of the perfect flying record of the "Red Tails" was created. It would have been highly unlikely that any of the officers of the bombers wouldn't have known who the 99th Fighter Wing was. It's not even clear that disbelief or racism would have been a universal response from most of the pilots. This is post Jesse Owens. The simplistic cheesy racist response is an example of treating your audience as idiots. This is dialogue as exposition for dummies. You want historical accuracy, find some interviews of the white pilots and ask them what they thought. Don't assume behavior based on a stereotype. That's Hollywood. That's not real life.
There’s a lot of things about this movie that make it bad, and it’s Lucas’ fault. He takes an interesting part of American history and ruins it with the whole ‘I wAnT tO mAkE iT lIkE 1930’s sEriAlS bEcaUSe ThAt’S wHaT I GrEw Up WiTh.’ And it makes it cheesy, tonally awkward. It’s a story that should be taken more seriously but it just looks like a joke.
This movie was so ridiculously bad and unrealistic that it did an injustice to the true Tuskegee airmen. Someone needs to make a better version to honour their legacy.
@@nedstewart1I wouldn't say the race matters there so much as just saying bomber pilots. I know they were essentially all white, except for the 477th Bombardment Group which I don't believe ever saw combat before the end of the war, but race of either group being the prominent issue is the problem. At the end of the day they were all pilots, and it's not an injustice to white pilots, ints an injustice to bomber pilots. It's also an injustice to the Tuskegee pilots to hold them on such an elevated but historically wrong pedestal, since it only serves to create resentment towards them for their falsified history. They were no better, but they were also not worse. They held their own and proved their abilities. This movie though is absolute and utter shit from start to finish for so many reasons, especially considering it makes so many of the characters act like clichéd stereotypes rather than the professional pilots that they were.
What the red tails never say is that most of the good German pilots were dead already andthe training the new pilots got was only a few hours and that fuel supplies were in such shortage that they couldn't put up a full squadron to protect Germany. The truth is there just have to look for it under the BS.
I played golf with Col.Charles Cooper several times, he was as right wing and conservative as they come loved FDR and probably would vote Trump...and btw he was more well spoken than most football players in the NFL making millions out of a D1 college education
@Yuri DeKhed Good at bomber protection but last in kills for P51 pilots in the 15th. Army Air Corp. Staying with the bombers could not destroy the German Air Force.
The Red Tails. Never lost a bomber. They where with out fail never late, always met their bomber group at rendezvous point.. " Them damb uppity colored pilots , sure Kicked Jerryz Ass. "
@@kchishol1970 Their losses were heavier. They stayed with the bombers...such a tactic could not destroy the German Air Force and made D-Day possible. The pilots who under orders under Congressional Medal of Honor winner Gen. Jimmy Doolittle left the bombers to pursue and destroy the German Air Force made D-Day possible and gave the allies air superiority over the sky's of Europe. Staying with the bombers could not win the war.
@Matthew Lawrence It is slightly lower than the typical 45 losses for most squadrons in the same time period, but you also have to keep in mind that there would generally be multiple squadrons on escort on multiple legs of the mission... and I suspect that mission planners didn't trust them with some of the more difficult missions (or maybe they deliberately sent them on dangerous missions), so it's hard to say exactly how they really compare, because they weren't in exactly the same conditions as other squadrons.
The dialogue sucks but it's on par with what dialogue looked like for war movies in the 40s and 50s Which, was exactly what George Lucas was going for.
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If this is set in late '43, (Which it is based on the model of B-17) then: 1: The Tuskegee Airmen should be flying P-47s or P-38s, escorts were all P-47s or P-38s at this time 2: The pilots would be well aware of the Tuskegee Airmen, they had already earned a distinguished unit citation for ground attack missions, and would already be known as very defensive pilots (AKA great escort pilots). While command may have not liked them, the crew were fine with them. It didn't matter if they were white, black, asian, if they were flying to keep them alive, they were a friend.
They're called "helmets", and they are worn (along with metal plated flak suits) by aircrews that don't like being killed by shrapnel from flak air-bursts. They are the correct helmet type for bomber pilots in the latter half of the war. Namely, M3 flak helmets. worldwarwings.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/color-flak-767x1024.jpg www.457thbombgroup.org/Miscellaneous/bbm202.jpg 3.bp.blogspot.com/-_j-X5fYyQ2o/Ub4EcNGX0fI/AAAAAAAARFo/4XfIYg5n2Y0/s1600/img423-XL.jpg
0:40 Imagine America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the rest of Western nations? Treated non White colored people like this in the military today.
What was the tail gunner doing reading porn not alerting the pilot that there's a friendly P-51 behind them?
probably asleep because they're nowhere near enemy planes yet
Would be funny if it cut to him and he was reading a porn mag
They would have been trained to identify some planes
@@mememaster2112 "bogey, three high" that says everything. a full traduction would be "unidentified aircraft to our direct left, high altitude". so they were not in a place where the rear gunner could see them and also they were too far to be detected by the side gunners before the pilot went down to their level to tell they were friendlies.
@@karhedin ok, thankyou :)
man needs binoculars to be able to tell if a plane is friendly when he's literally in formation with em xD
Hard to tell, if you’re 1000 meters away it’s hard to see marking or anything to identify. Have to be sure because bf-109s were a serious threat to B-17s at the time, and from that distance they might look just like a P-51
Wonder about the bomber pilot being able to tell that the fighter pilot was black given that his oxygen mask would be covering most of his face.
year old reply i know... but......
Pilots and gunners spent hours going over silhouette images to better tell at a distance if a aircraft was a friendly or not.
3 of the biggest 'tells' were the wings.
"Rounded" wing-tips were generally British fighters.
"Squared off" wing-tips were generally German Fighters.
And while American fighters tended to have both Rounded wingtips and 'some' slightly squared off wingtips, the vast majority of them had shorter 'noses' than German fighters (ie: the area forward for the cockpit) as a lot of German fighters had guns 'in' the noses next to the engines that required more space for their ammo feeds and such.
@Smileyheckster
If you were sitting in a B-17, you would want to know all about a fighter plane(s) about to either save your life or take your life.
You would know that the enemy had captured P-51 Mustangs. You would know that the airframe of a Bf-109G looks a lot like a P-51D. You would be looking for any detail that would give away an imposter.
If you had binoculars, you would use them to read the serial number on the vertical stabilizer of the fighter plane just like a police officer is keenly interested in license plate numbers and corresponding vehicle identification numbers.
Once you were comfortable that they were friendly, you would still want these details to present yourself as a competent professional to friendly intelligence officers that would inevitably ask you about the mission. The planners would want details regarding the rendezvous -- which often did not go as planned.
For the movie producer, it is a way to make the audience believe you saw the color of the hands and faces of the red-tailed pilots.
@@ieatoutoften872 yes the plane that pulled up flying a tight formation, not shooting, and communicating on the radio is definitely hard to tell.
It was the 1940's, what did you expect? A "Hey, My Man. What up".
The fighter pilot says to the bomber crew, "me gat som herb, or me gat some poooooooooooooooo der"
"What did you expect? Welcome sonny? Make yourself at home? Marry my daughter? You gotta remember that these are simple farmers, these are people of the Land, the common clay of the New West. You know, morons!"
Yeah but they most definitely weren't this OVERTLY racist
@@BradBrassman I'm a Black Man and I don't understand what the Hell you are trying to say!!!!
@@BradBrassman And the dudes in the bomber say "Hey dude, con you join our band so we can claim all the Glory"
0:18 comes in from behind bomber. Bomber pilot is the first one that spots him. 🤷♂️😂
Blue Wolf haha. Its all crap.
Rear view mirrors... duh. Lol
And then when he finds out they're colored, Wonders, "what the hell should we do?"??!
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@@desertodavid press and hold J
Balasankar Ajith got me dying
This movie was cheesy the Tuskegee airmen deserve better.
If you haven’t already, I’d suggest watching “The Tuskegee Airmen” featuring Laurence Fishburn and Cuba Golding Jr. it’s old, and the quality of the flying scenes is poor but I feel it does a better justice to the 332nd
@@BullGator-kd6ge yes its a much better movie
@Goosa Poosa They do deserve better. While you can say no better or worse in combat performance they also had to fight racism that other squadrons did not, as well as being cognizant of the fact that the future of other black servicemen would be affected by their performance. They had to prove themselves to the enemy as well as to the allies they served with. They deserve to be memorialized for that accomplishment and this movie was shit.
@Goosa Poosa I'm going to need a source on this bullshit.
@Goosa Poosa to be honest they all look the same so the press probably really thought none of them got shot down.🤷♂️
The dialogue is so cheesy...
If the dialogue was realistic it would be R
Not just that but the love interest here is implausible. As noted below, there is unrealistically almost no foul language or cigarette smoking.
Ikr? We really need a Fury-type movie but with planes.
I don't believe it!
PHLYDAILY LOL 😂😂😂
This movie was so much worse than the Tuskegee Airmen deserved
somethingawful100 i would say youre right. Its so inauthentic.
I really feel like the ditector did this on purpose
@@ttlfmag3507 George Lucas was trying to appeal to White audiences, which is why he didn't put the overt racist things that happened to the pilots. If you want to see a better movie, I would recommend HBO's Tuskeegee Airman movie instead. It was a LOT better...
@@w41duvernay Roscoe brown stated the movie did very well in regard to the prejudice and eventual acceptance.
Yeah, it was a pretty dumb movie. Hollywood
These guys didn't know it at the time.. but they had the best planes of WWII no doubt! Badass
Lol mustang ? Naahh
@@Boomshakalaga um... Yes
I didn't see any Corsairs in this.
Completely opinion based on what everyone sees as the best fighter of the war. Spitfires, Mustangs, 109s, 190s, Corsairs, Yada Yada so on and so fourth, they were all excellent aircraft, period the end.
I am more into the P-47 Thunderbolts!
Scenes like this are actually one of the reasons why I hated the movie and preferred the older Tuskegee Airmen 1995 version. Most of the racism just boiled down to cliched "OMG, they're not white" dialogue. I always felt it tried to do too much, trying to be a a movie about (1) the brotherhood of war, (2) dealing with racism, and (3) the impact of war on young love. Trying to do all three meant there was not enough time to develop a nuanced, intricate story on all three dimensions.
Have to agree. It's a great story no matter which way you look at it but the movie comes across as too broad and is trying too hard to be big entertainment. It fails to hit the mark in any of these categories. Also, I'm not averse to CGI when it's done well and used right but here the battle sequences are so showy and hyper action/dynamic, they play without any real grit and so the realism takes a hit. It's a good stab at honouring the Tuskegee pilots but I can't help but feel they deserved better.
Yeah . . . that's why I just watch it for the action scenes. Kinda like that Green Hornet remake. Only watch that for the car.
Based. These movies need to focus more on how they accomplished things more than how they were discriminated.
@@logger22Trying to sanitize history is a losing battle.
@@logger22 Their accomplishments were inspite of the discrimination, and there I say amplified because of it.
So yeah.. The discrimination was a big part of their stories.. You can have one part without the other.
I found the whole bomber pilot/co-pilot, dialogue incredibly cheesy throughout the movie and a disservice to the rest of the brave P-51 pilots who accompanied them.
I watched this last night. Could’ve been a ‘A grade’ movie if it wasn’t for the extremely poor writing. I think maybe they ran out of money after the CGI.
And the CGI sucked too. Maybe not in appearance but in application, once I saw a P-51 turn 180 degrees practically on it's own axis in an ad for this movie I had no interest in seeing it.
It’s was very cartoonish, but the story deserved to be told.
CG sucked too
@@tonymanero5544 the story was told in 1995, look for the original MOVIE (with Laurence Fishbourne) , but this movie SUCK so bad.
Watch earlier movie, that was great. This sucked in so many levels its incredible
Watch the Tuskegee Airmen. It's a better film.
This film pick up where the Tuskegee Airman left off both are great films
Tuskegee Airmen was made in 1995. A lot has happened since then. Like at the end of the movie they claimed they lost no bombers...when in the year 2007 they found out they had lost 27 bombers. Also the 332nd shot down 3 jets on the Berlin raid but didn't mention that the 31st.Fighter Group shot down 5 jets on the same bombing mission. They did not sink a destroyer. It was a Italian destroyer converted into a German torpedo ship and that it did not sink.
@@Mad-wv6ol You seriously cant say that. This was full of cliches, bad cgi, corny german, star wars flight mauvers in air etc...
These men deserved a better movie. Even the germans. "Red tails, I don't recognize the marking"... Yeah like the bomber group did not get briefed on which figter group was going to escort them. Also not aware of one of the most famous fighter group in the theater.
Don't forget the Black Sheep Squadron.
They were far from the most famous fighter group in the theater -YET! Red Tail markings weren't authorized by USAAF, but by Group Leader of the 332nd.
Tuskegee airmen deserved so much better. This movie was absolutely terrible.
its was ok.
“I don’t think our escort is going to be much help this trip” ya because the guys who left you undefended to chase scouts where a much better fighter escort
Which damn near didn't happen. The few pilots who chased glory instead of protecting the bombers found themselves either floating down to a POW camp because they were too far from help, or, got back to base, and before the week was out had an M1 in hand for the rest of the war.
@@Tank50us Yeah, except, it's the exact opposite of reality. In reality, early in the war escorts were mandated to stay close to the bombers, which left them no time and space to maneuver and intercept the attacking fighters. It made both the bombers AND the escorts vulnerable. Later on, when General Doolittle took command of the 8th Air Force, the escorts were cut loose to range out in front of the bombers, intercepting the German fighter attacks while they were still forming up, and destroying or disrupting the German fighter formations before they ever had a chance to attack. They were additionally given permission to attack German fighter airfields on the way home from the escort missions. These tactics proved to be MUCH more effective at defending the bombers than did the earlier "stick to the bombers at all costs" method of escort.
ua-cam.com/video/PdSyL41D36U/v-deo.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Doolittle#Doolittle's_breakthrough_in_fighter_tactics
The best way to make sure the German pilots don't attack the next bomber mission, is to KILL them this mission. Not to chase them off to try again tomorrow. And the day after. And the day after that.
@@bronco5334 Yep. We adopted a layered defense strategy and rotated the fighter squadrons to prevent complacency. First we'd run an intruder operation with fast aircraft like the Mosquito to disrupt the airfields. After that, we'd send out a fighter sweep which would (in theory) clear the skies of any aircraft in the air already so that they wouldn't become a threat to the bombers at all. Finally, we had a couple layers of closer-in defensive groups of fighters that would ideally keep the Luftwaffe away from the bombers, but there were usually a few that got through to actually attack the bombers.... but they rarely made it back to their bases. After that, we'd have a second sweep that would hit anything trying to come up to hit the bombers on their way out, and that would result in even more damage to the Luftwaffe. It would also force a realication of their air defense since these fighter groups would also be hitting enemy planes that were making their final approach to the airfields.
The idea was, as you pointed out, to destroy the the Luftwaffe and its ability to attack the bombers outright, and make the few that managed regret their life choices. However, if you were the ones assigned to BED, you didn't chase enemy planes to their airfields, you chased them away from the bombers, kill them if you can, but you ideally chased them away from the bombers and into the awaiting jaws of another aircraft. Strategically speaking, who shoots the guy down doesn't matter, as long as that BF109 or FW190 is a smoking wreck on the ground, and the pilot is having to exercise his thumb getting back to base, that would be doing the needed damage.
@Hoa Tattis IIRC the USAAF trialed a few Mosquitoes, but most intruder missions were done by RAF and RCAF Mosquitoes, with some USAAF Black Widows doing such operations at night.
When it came to such operations, they were never just the USAAF, all of the allies played a part in the mission to destroy the Luftwaffe.
@Hoa Tattis but an effective one. Keep in mind, I use these aircraft as examples because they're the ones that jump to my mind.
“What do we do?” You shut up and fly your mission and look out for enemy fighters that’s what you do.
If I could go back in time, It would've honored me to have been part of the Red Tails....
@Yuri DeKhed , NO! It's because of the significant contributions they all made for my country. Without them, many Bombers' would've gone down, killing or sending our Fly Boys to Nazi Prisons, perhaps us losing WWII. That's why, you idiot.
@@SantiagoTM1 The Tuskegee Airmen were good pilots but since they were less than 1% of the fighter pilots they did little in winning the war. 99% of the German Air Force had no idea who they were. They had a good bomber protection record but were dead last in kills as P-51 pilots while attached to the 15th. Army Air Corp.
@Yuri DeKhed, Sir, it baffles me that you even asked that question!! Obviously, you're NOT an American Citizen. Color means nothing when you're in the Military, Police Force, or Sports Team. With Mathafakas like you, if you don't like things here in America, then get the fuck out, & don't let the door hit U in the Ass on your way out!
@@nedstewart1 Ehhhh, from what I’ve read they did make a name for themselves among the Germans. a Airman who was shot down and captured was interviewed and said “I was amazed at how much the German Stalag commanders knew about us. They opened a file that was full of information on our group.
And it is true that they didn’t score as many kills as their counterparts but that can hardly be blamed on them since they were the last of the squadrons to move to Italy and the last to receive Mustangs.
I would be proud to leave bomber protection as ordered and to seek out and destroy the German Air Force and make
D-Day possible. You could not destroy the German Air Force staying with the bombers. T.A. made a big mistake staying
with the bombers.
The bombers know they're getting escorts, but they're never told just what fighter group is escorting them?
This video shows the Redtails flying bubble-canopy P-51D's, but as I remember they flew P-51C's where the plexiglass portions had metal strips in between.
You're correct, they had razorback canopy model P-51s.
They were commonly seen flying razorback Mustangs but late in the war a few of them most certainly flew P51Ds.
🤓🤓🤓🤓
They did fly a number of P-51D's later in the war. There are photographs of these.
"I don't believe it..."
Like your acting?
Seriously! The bombers didn’t know what a P-51 looked like???? Give me a break!
@Hoa Tattis Show proof please. The Americans bombed at day time and the British bombed at night. So how could the Spitfires escort the B-17's if the Brits only bombed at night time? I don't believe you.
This is just horrible movie in all ways. Watch Tuskegee airmen movie it was just so much better.
@@AndyP998 Movie Tuskegee Airmen was historically inaccurate. At the end of the movie claimed the Airmen lost no bombers. False! They lost 27 bombers to the German Air Force.
Then claimed they sank a destroyer. False! It was a Italian destroyer converted into a torpedo boat by the Germans. It did not sink.
For the truth GOOGLE: MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT THE TUSKEGEE AIRMEN. go to page 9. Misconception they never lost a bomber..
@@nedstewart1 The Brits bombed at night, but their fighters were quite capable of daylight operations.
The only reason I'm not explaining all the reasons why it's hard to identify a plane from another plane is because P-51s were almost never painted during World War II, and the Germans basically always painted their aircraft.
"9 o'clock low", bombers are right infront of them...
I own this movie 😎 They are all HEROES 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
0:47 "What the hell do we do?"
This movie cannot be that bad. Seriously.
We wuz pilots n shiet
They were all HEROES!
Imagine the bomber pilot saying "You just a kid..."
“That’s just ya plane”
Bro I knew alot of WW2 pilot vets growing up, a few of them were still in that mindset . . . but even they wouldnt outright call people "colored' especially on a mission like that. They were all too scared of dying to care about race, at least in moments like that.
bro the half the US is still in that mindset... of course most were like that in the 40s
@@ZekeMagnum America is the least racist nation on the planet. Its your own bigotry that you project onto others that is the real problem.
@@frednicholson saying the US is the least racist nation in the world is in itself a racist statement ironically
@@frednicholson I've traveled to several countries in the world, and the U.S. is nowhere near the "least" racist nation on Earth. There's a lot of racist nations, and regions of nations, and the U.S. has got it's share. Nice hyperbole, though.
@@rikk319 - lol and which of these countries that you visited our more diverse than ours?
Lmao the US is BY FAR AND AWAY the most tolerant, most diverse country on the planet. I know it sounds cool to criticize the US but you’re not even close bud.
This is the only movie I have ever walked out on at a movie theater. I love history and aviation and couldn't wait to see this as I had watched the HBO movie Tuskegee Airmen (which was great) but this movie was just too corny for me.
George Lucas was heavily involved in the creation. That explains a lot of why it turned out this way.
Every white persons line in this movie is so unnatural. It sounds like it's coming from a chuckie cheese animatronic. That whole bomber scene ruined this movie for me.
@Andrew Barnett
When it comes to racism, and if you want to end it I agree with Morgan Freeman when he said,
*"You want to stop racism? Stop talkin about it."*
@@desertodavid stop whining this is historically accurate for back then.
@@desertodavid Tell that to the red Red Tails who had to put up with racism
@@melkormorgoththetruedarklo9326 This fool comment section sad stop talking about racism i said him tell that to the Red Tails who had to put up with racism.
It brakes my heart that that these men were treated worst than German POWs in the South
Did you know that Japanese AMERICAN citizens (who were interned for no crime whatsoever) were treated worse than German POWs all throughout the USA? They lived in conditions that ENEMY combatants weren't forced to endure. Also the US government drafted young men out of the Internment camps to fight. So Lots of AMERICANS were treated worse than German POWs in the USA.
How do you speed it up again?
In reality the bomber crews usually never knew the Red Tails where "colored".
The fighters were under orders by Gen. Jimmy Doolittle in 1943 to leave bomber formation and to seek out and destroy the German Air Force. Col Davis ordered T.A. (Red Tails)
to stay with the bombers. You could not destroy the German Air Force staying with the bombers. Also to leave the bombers for glory was a court marshal offense. Funny in the Red Tails movie this wasn't mentioned. Because of Gen Doolittles orders to abandon the bombers come D-Day the Allies ruled the sky's over Europe and the Tuskegee Airmen were dead last in kills as P-51 pilots in the 15th. Army Air Corp but had a good bomber protection record. Red Tails movie was way inaccurate in telling the truth historically. The white pilots did not leave bomber protection for glory. Another lie was told by the Red Tails movie.
In reality the bomber crews probably wouldn't have given a shit once the Germans rucked up.
You might have thought that during the pre-flight briefing they would have been notified that their escort that day would be an all-black squadron. Especially since there was so much to-do about them being there in the first place.
You'd think they'd be told the unit number flying escort during the mission brief as well. And if it was one they hadn't heard of before, they would expect to see a set of markings they hadn't seen before.
the black pilots were a secret and honestly they never flew that close to be seen like that. only time they found out was when planes crashed at the black airfields
The bombers never knew the Red Tails (For the first several escort missions, the 332nd did not have a Red Tail paint) were black (They were masked and goggled up)....That is until one of the bombers which was shot up had to make an emergency landing at Ramiteli Airbase (The 332nd home base)... The bombers saw the Red Tails and were initially very happy...That is until they saw that they were black...(let's just say that some of the bomber crew had that same reaction as that those Neo Nazis had in that Dave Chappele KKK skit)
Bomber and ground crews often included servicemen who had washed out of flight school for whatever reason and it was outraging for some to realize there were people they considered inferior in intellect and ability achieving where they failed. Not surprisingly, the rage of being passed by perceived "lessers" wasn't just a racial thing. Women's Air Service Pilots (WASPS) who were tasked with multiple air duties during WWII including flight testing, ferrying aircraft to depots and bases around the country, target towing, and flight training faced similar "entitlement" rage.
@@jkorshak The Tuskegee Airmen were dead last in kills as P-51 pilots while flying for the 15th. Army Air Corp. Below is official records.
TABLE I: FIGHTER GROUPS OF THE FIFTEENTH AIR FORCE IN WORLD
WAR II
Organization Total aerial victories June
1944-April 1945
1
st Fighter Group 72(used P-38's)
14th Fighter Group 85(used P-38's)
31st Fighter Group 278
52d Fighter Group 224.5
82d Fighter Group 106
325th Fighter Group 252
332d Fighter Group 94 TUSKEGEE AIRMEN. ONLY 94 KILLS. LAST PLACE.
Sources: USAF Historical Study No. 85
@@nedstewart1 Over how much time did these groups accumulate their kills? If they were activated late in the war, of course they'd have less kills. German pilots had more kills than anyone, as they'd been fattening up on Polish, French, and Soviet fighters for years.
A more accurate reading of combat effectiveness would be kills per sortie. Have that data?
@@rikk319 they've also yet to properly reference that document that they're supposedly getting their data from, I've scanned all the relevant sections of it now and found nothing remotely resembling what thay're claiming.
Brave mans on the sky ... people in bomber and people in fighter to be one .....this moment is touch your heart.....delete about color of skin... respect all the people.,..
Best regard
This is some of the worst acting I've seen in a long time.
Nah, that’s about right
Horrible didactic dialogue. All the characters are speaking to the audience rather than to each other. When the dialogue is that unnatural, no actor is going to make it sound natural.
One time I was with my grandpa and we watched this movie, the next morning we watched Devotion. It was great 😊
If anyone else had written this movie it’d be so good. The dialogue and scripting are so vanilla.
Written or directed? CGI was bad, planes cant do maneuvers like that in air. Super corny german flight leader too was horrible
George Lucas. What did you expect.
This man really informed everyone about them being colored
What do you expect, was the 40s
@@killtheheretics2915 nobody did that in the 40’s lol
@@killtheheretics2915 movie is buns
@@Coffey_DCS you don't think there were racist people in the military during 1940s?
@@killtheheretics2915 I doubt that in an intense bombing mission they would look at their American brothers and comment about how they suck
We don't wanna talk about the nasty experiments with "bad blood", right? Let's just tell the part of the brave airmen and not tell the part in which they were infected with various STD without even telling them.
They have a movie about the Tuskegee experiment
@@Mad-wv6ol The Tuskegee Airmen were not part of the STD experiment carried out by the Tuskegee University by the way. Two separate subjects.
Well she didn't tell me either!
This movie was so bad. Spielberg's white guilt movie
Last time I watched this I just skipped the whole "love story" part.
Same, I came for dogfights not a love story dammit!
A fighter destroying a destroyer with 50cals yeah right....😂
I read somewhere that it did happen and they think what sunk the ship was that he hit and set off a depth charge and the whole rack went up. Lucky shot. Ballsy move, but lucky shot.
@@curtmueller4627 nope they are built to withstand those and much much more ...never will a .50cal penetrate a destroyer
@@curtmueller4627 besides a depth charge would not have gone off being fired upon
I just seen that clip WOW what a joke. You'd think the producers and writers would have done some research considering its about actual historical events. A fighter could never sink a destroyer with guns alone. It never happened and could not ever happen. How can they get things so wrong when there's literally library's full of history books written on ww2. And they still can't get shit accurate.
@@curtmueller4627 That never happened. Maybe an armed trawler but not a destroyer a fighter couldn't even sink a flower class corvette with guns only.
0:31 he's colored
0:32 amazing.
I love how historically accurate this film is. Just like all the other yank war films.
This movie was "inspired" not "based on" history, so it measn its not supposed to be historically accurate, but it is supposed to be historically authentic which it is and im thankfull for it because in most cases historical accuracy simply doesn't matter
@@notrius775430 mil acts like .50
.50 acts like 20 mil
Jets apparently climb and are not protected by escorts(Jv44)
An SS Jadgedschwader?! what?!
Oh and the landing "show em a little trick" moment..
@@u.nforcesalx9892 Oh look, heres another nerd who can't watch a fucking movie cause its a little unrealistic, bro shut the fuck up and go get a six pack and try to get laid.
"OnE fIgHtEr GrOuP aLl NeGrO PiLoTs?"
cheesiest line in an otherwise awesome movie
White people were cheesy in the 40s
Spike Lee was on the writing team.
Una de mis pelis favoritas!!!!!
bogeys three o'clock high... belly turret swings into action 🙃
a little less computer graphics - a little more brains behind the storytelling
but that's not the trend in todays war movies I am afraid
I'm just gonna say it. These dudes really don't sell the characters that they are portraying. Like, at all. I mean, these guys are supposed to be the product of a segregated America. Now I'm not entirely sure what bomber group or mission they are escorting in this scene however, given the general attitudes of Americans at the time, there should be more vitriol and disgust in their voices at finding out that they are being escorted by colored pilots. These guys sound like they don't even want to be saying what they are saying.
True.
The bomber crews would have been ecstatic to have escorts, colored or not.
@@JD_79 likely, yes, especially considering the astonishing losses daytime raids suffered before the introduction of the P-51. However, this was also a time period that was heavy with racial tension and these actors fail to immerse me. The job of an actor is to bring a role to life, even if the character holds beliefs you don't agree with.
“More vitriol and disgust.”
Really lmao? Most of the people in b17s were probably too busy dealing with flak, enemy fighters, and operating their own aircraft than they were to be upset about that. The idea that people were just so angry during the mission over something like that is hilariously silly. It’s not how people actually act, especially when in combat lmao.
@@JD_79 Once they spotterd the German Air Force the fighters under orders left left bomber eofmation except for the Tuskegee Airmen to seek out and destroy the German Air Force. You could not destroy the German Air Force staying with the bombers. Because they abandoned the bombers D-Day was made possible.
Shouldn’t the bomber crews be able to recognize a Mustang from its silhouette?
Acty no, the Mustang and 109 were often confused unless viewed directly from the side.
Yes, they probably used the phrase "coloured", oh great historical-accuracy-over-pc pop culture of today
I mean...the producer still want to make some money out of it, it would be bad PR if the movie had the actual N word uncensored
@@clauvex7829 I know 😆
It was the end of the week, I guess I had to complain about _something._
The officers probably would have. It was an educated sort of word to use and they would have been very self-conscious of appearing to be a member of their class.
The gunners in the back probably would have used a rougher vernacular of the sort employed professionally by soldiers in all eras.
But, the silliest part of this is not how they addressed the issue, but that this all takes them by surprised. In actuality, the bomber crew would have been briefed as to when the would expect escorts to arrive, which fighter group they were with and so forth as part of the mission briefing. Thus, the officers at least would have known to be expecting the 99th Fighter Squadron and would have known at least from "skuttlebutt" that it was a colored fighter squadron with markings indicating such.
The Army air service was very keen on using the Tuskegee pilots for propaganda purposes to boost morale and support for the war back in the USA especially among the African-American communities who were understandably less keen to be fighting a war for a country that at the time didn't treat them justly. Thus they promoted the existence and success of the colored pilots heavily in propaganda posters, new reels before movies, and newspaper articles. It was at this time that the myth of the perfect flying record of the "Red Tails" was created. It would have been highly unlikely that any of the officers of the bombers wouldn't have known who the 99th Fighter Wing was. It's not even clear that disbelief or racism would have been a universal response from most of the pilots. This is post Jesse Owens. The simplistic cheesy racist response is an example of treating your audience as idiots. This is dialogue as exposition for dummies. You want historical accuracy, find some interviews of the white pilots and ask them what they thought. Don't assume behavior based on a stereotype. That's Hollywood. That's not real life.
@@clauvex7829 LUCAS lost 60 million on the movie. His words. "movie was made for boys around the age of 13."
Yes, red tails my dud
Thanks for everything we all owe you alot
Movie was still better then Pearl Harbor
why cut the clip at mid sentence?
How did he know who the leader bomber was??
usually the one in the front of formation
how hit does your crew have to be for the pilot to point out bogeys coming in from behind
Right?
What a shitty movie compared to earlier which was great
"HE'S COLORED"
Oh really tho
There’s a lot of things about this movie that make it bad, and it’s Lucas’ fault. He takes an interesting part of American history and ruins it with the whole ‘I wAnT tO mAkE iT lIkE 1930’s sEriAlS bEcaUSe ThAt’S wHaT I GrEw Up WiTh.’ And it makes it cheesy, tonally awkward. It’s a story that should be taken more seriously but it just looks like a joke.
Those are the past days. It’s messed up the way white mam acted but we here and strong. Black n brown ❤
We're all colored. You guys are black and brown, when my old white butt falls on the pavement I'm black and blue!
"Nine O'Clock low"? That looked more like twelve to me.
It’s 9 o’clock
didn't know they issued the Advanced Combat helmet to B17s ... so i learned something new today....
You noticed that too!
shouldn't they be called black tails?
By god 2 billion iq
This movie was so ridiculously bad and unrealistic that it did an injustice to the true Tuskegee airmen. Someone needs to make a better version to honour their legacy.
Stating for so many years that the Tuskegee Airmen lost no bombers was also an injustice to the White pilots. Such a lie.
@@nedstewart1I wouldn't say the race matters there so much as just saying bomber pilots. I know they were essentially all white, except for the 477th Bombardment Group which I don't believe ever saw combat before the end of the war, but race of either group being the prominent issue is the problem. At the end of the day they were all pilots, and it's not an injustice to white pilots, ints an injustice to bomber pilots. It's also an injustice to the Tuskegee pilots to hold them on such an elevated but historically wrong pedestal, since it only serves to create resentment towards them for their falsified history. They were no better, but they were also not worse. They held their own and proved their abilities. This movie though is absolute and utter shit from start to finish for so many reasons, especially considering it makes so many of the characters act like clichéd stereotypes rather than the professional pilots that they were.
@@hamishneilson7140 I agree!
they don't trust them, and peopleare going to call me rasist
What the red tails never say is that most of the good German pilots were dead already andthe training the new pilots got was only a few hours and that fuel supplies were in such shortage that they couldn't put up a full squadron to protect Germany. The truth is there just have to look for it under the BS.
I played golf with Col.Charles Cooper several times, he was as right wing and conservative as they come loved FDR and probably would vote Trump...and btw he was more well spoken than most football players in the NFL making millions out of a D1 college education
Tuskegee Airman....Was way, way better!....
@Yuri DeKhed Good at bomber protection but last in kills for P51 pilots in the 15th. Army Air Corp. Staying with the bombers could not destroy the German Air Force.
Idgaf what your skin color is, you save my ass like that ima love you forever.
whats wrong with coloured im white i have lots of dark friends
Ask your grandpa
@@juanmanuelpenaloza9264 lol
its called history
Very nice hollywood propaganda.
What I think when someone says their grandad flew in B-17s. Cheesy af
This movie was terrible.
The Red Tails. Never lost a bomber. They where with out fail never late, always met their bomber group at rendezvous point.. " Them damb uppity colored pilots , sure Kicked Jerryz Ass. "
Nope not true just a myth
Mark Duncan yeah. This squadron had a padded record. It was really affirmative actions birth pains.
@@ProjecthuntanFish True, but I understand their losses on escort were lighter than most.
@@kchishol1970 Their losses were heavier.
They stayed with the bombers...such a tactic could not destroy the German Air Force and made D-Day possible. The pilots who under orders under Congressional Medal of Honor winner Gen. Jimmy Doolittle left the bombers to pursue and destroy the German Air Force made D-Day possible and gave the allies air superiority over the sky's of Europe. Staying with the bombers could not win the war.
@Matthew Lawrence It is slightly lower than the typical 45 losses for most squadrons in the same time period, but you also have to keep in mind that there would generally be multiple squadrons on escort on multiple legs of the mission... and I suspect that mission planners didn't trust them with some of the more difficult missions (or maybe they deliberately sent them on dangerous missions), so it's hard to say exactly how they really compare, because they weren't in exactly the same conditions as other squadrons.
I have the DVD, and this is a great movie!
what the hell do we do???💀💀💀💀
The dialogue sucks but it's on par with what dialogue looked like for war movies in the 40s and 50s
Which, was exactly what George Lucas was going for.
IM TELLING YA. ATF CAN COME TO MY HOUSE AND THEY CAN SEARCH INSIDE MY HOUSE, OUTSIDE MY HOUSE, DOWN STAIRS AND UP STAIRS IN MY HOUSE AND TWO THINGS YOU CAN BET FOR SURE.........................(1) ATF WONT GET MY GUNS..............(2) ATF WILL NEVER FIND MY GUNS, AND I DONT CARE HOW HARD OR HOW LONG THEY SEARCH....(3) THOSE ARE MY GUNS, NOT YOURS OR ANYONE ELSES, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MY THREE YOUNG GRANDSONS WHO BETWEEN 3-12 YRS OLD, WILL INHERIT THEM. (4) MY RIGHT TO OWN THEM !!....THATS IT.....!!! AND (5).......I DONT CARE WHAT YOU SAY OR THINK ABOUT MY WEAPONS BECAUSE THIR MINE, AND YOU (ATF) WILL NEVER GET THEM.........BANK ON THAT !!!
probably the worst airplane movie I've ever seen, and I've seen top gun!
If this is set in late '43, (Which it is based on the model of B-17) then:
1: The Tuskegee Airmen should be flying P-47s or P-38s, escorts were all P-47s or P-38s at this time
2: The pilots would be well aware of the Tuskegee Airmen, they had already earned a distinguished unit citation for ground attack missions, and would already be known as very defensive pilots (AKA great escort pilots).
While command may have not liked them, the crew were fine with them. It didn't matter if they were white, black, asian, if they were flying to keep them alive, they were a friend.
Actually they flew the P-39, P-40, P-51 and P-47
What the hell do those bomber pilots have on their heads? Star Wars helmets?
They're called "helmets", and they are worn (along with metal plated flak suits) by aircrews that don't like being killed by shrapnel from flak air-bursts. They are the correct helmet type for bomber pilots in the latter half of the war. Namely, M3 flak helmets.
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@@bronco5334 Damn, I just got hit with some knowledge.
Thanks, dude!
This movie is so trash. especially the bit where a guy gets shot MULTIPLE TIMES FROM A ME 262's 40mm and dosen't fucking die
“Show em a little trick I learned”
Takes 14g’s and dies
Ahhh yes the ole *George Floyd maneuver*
unbelievably based
He's colored. Tss. Yeah right.
That's not Jesus 00:40 lol
'that pilot is coloured' is logically followed a few seconds by 'one fighter group all coloured' yes that some good writing......
bf 109 and me 262
*CHEESY 40’S RACISM*
steven anderson
Nah. No one says, “He’s colored!”
steven anderson
Heh?
How are you a trained airmen and dont know the types of plans the US uses
He did know
9 O clock low? Lmao, okay then.
thx god gunner wasn't policeman
Custom battles in WT be like
0:29
*Rick dalton pointing*
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oh no...
stop watch this lousy computer animation edit video at 010...
not good
The original movie was so much better it is astonishing. This was rubbish.
Script and acting is almost as bad as the terrible CGI. This is an insult to those brave bomber and fighter pilots. Shameful.
0:40
Imagine America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the rest of Western nations? Treated non White colored people like this in the military today.
多少鼻くそでもP51Dに乗せて貰えれば、それなりに働けるでしょ。格闘戦もへったくれもいらない。一撃離脱に徹する。相手は勝手にB17に近づいてくる。そこに向けて機銃をバリバリ撃つだけの簡単なお仕事。