Marguerite Porete & The Mirror of Simple Souls

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  • In this video we talk about the fascinating writer & possibly beguine Marguerite Porete (d. 1310).
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    Sources/Suggested Reading:
    "The Mirror of Simple Souls (From the 15th century translation of the French manuscript)". Edited by C. Kirchberger. First printed in 1927. Soul Care Publishing, Vancover, Canada.
    (This is the primary source I used for the quotes in the video, it is a very old translation so I edited the quotes myself to make more sense in modern english).
    For a more modern translation I suggest:
    "Marguerite Porete: The Mirror of Simple Souls". In the "Classics of Western Spirituality Series. Paulist Press.
    McGinn, Bernard (2001). "The Mystical Thought of Meister Eckhart". The Crossroad Publishing Company.
    Tobin, Frank (Tranlsated & edited by) (1989). "Henry Suso: The Exemplar, with two German Sermons". In the "Classics of Western Spirituality Series". Paulist Press.
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  • @LetsTalkReligion
    @LetsTalkReligion  3 роки тому +34

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    • @iyadal-najjar3512
      @iyadal-najjar3512 3 роки тому

      @aflatooon maasi you know he is an academic not a comedian, don't you? Anyone who tries to study Islam academically will find these people full of nonsense. It is better if Philp continues his work and never go to that mud hole.

    • @bernardcornellisvanmeijere4375
      @bernardcornellisvanmeijere4375 3 роки тому

      Hey Let's Talk Religion, I just received for my birthday the book 'Origins of the Kabbalah' by Gershom Scholem, this past Shabbat I read until the beginning of Chapter 2 and wanted to know if you have read it, so far I'm finding Mr. Scholem's views on the Origins of Kabbalah very interesting.

    • @LetsTalkReligion
      @LetsTalkReligion  3 роки тому

      @@bernardcornellisvanmeijere4375 I haven't read that particular book, but other works on Kabbalah by Scholem. He is great, albeit sometimes a but outdated.

    • @bernardcornellisvanmeijere4375
      @bernardcornellisvanmeijere4375 3 роки тому

      @@LetsTalkReligion I have his English translation, it contains his most up to date writings from shortly before his death in 1982 and the translated in question in notations under his name has given information up to date for 1989, still I'm sure that it is a little outdated but I am really enjoying it so far.

    • @LetsTalkReligion
      @LetsTalkReligion  3 роки тому

      @@bernardcornellisvanmeijere4375 He's one of the best when it comes to Kabbalah!

  • @corsaircaruso471
    @corsaircaruso471 3 роки тому +406

    The idea of the freedom from virtues reminds me of the Buddhist parable of the raft, which asserted that all spiritual practices, once having served their purpose, will be “abandoned,” otherwise they will become an attachment and a hindrance. However, this doesn’t mean that a spiritually accomplished person starts running around murdering and stealing. It just means that they no longer refrain from murder or theft simply because there is a precept against it, but rather because they’re no longer motivated by the factors that cause people to murder or steal.

    • @mediocrates3416
      @mediocrates3416 3 роки тому +3

      Also; murder is suicide..., theft is always an option when needs be.

    • @clareryan2640
      @clareryan2640 3 роки тому +11

      I think this is true.
      Non attachment is freedom from good and bad impulses.
      Good impulses can be unexamined Aspergers (literal )applications of scripture others interpret metaphorical (it seems like you are doing the ‘right’ thing - except everyone thinks you are daft, and the consequences are negative)
      Enlightenment can be the insight that there is only choices and consequences

    • @timetoreason181
      @timetoreason181 3 роки тому +13

      Yes, Buddha Dhamma taught me great lessons in life since leaving Christianity. Another great teaching is our perception, the world what we see is a creation of our own minds, which is TRUE even in psychology.

    • @cv4809
      @cv4809 3 роки тому +11

      @@timetoreason181 the world is what it is not what you think it is. Shockingly the universe doesn't revolve around you

    • @alberguti3937
      @alberguti3937 3 роки тому +1

      ...that in a certain circumstance could mean kill or steal. Just adding to your idea, that may be misleading. If you know what I mean.

  • @leelama3857
    @leelama3857 2 роки тому +174

    Marguerite Porete's mysticism can be summed up in nine words:
    "Only good is happening because only God is happening."

    • @apolinary29
      @apolinary29 Рік тому +1

      huh?

    • @janinetheron5822
      @janinetheron5822 Рік тому +1

      @@apolinary29 there is no evil or good. Its just God.

    • @dylanfrasier4054
      @dylanfrasier4054 Рік тому +4

      This is insight not heresy.

    • @pomponi0
      @pomponi0 Рік тому +11

      @@janinetheron5822 That's not what she meant. Basically, our free will is bound to our shortcomings as imperfect beings. It takes an effort to be virtuous because there's always a part of us that wants to do what's in our earthly self interest, like why helping the poor when I can help myself? Why be a faithful husband if temptation is around the corner?
      Now, Marguerite argued that it is possible for a person to be so pure as to surrender themselves throroughly to God. By doing so, nothing of the individual's free will remains.

    • @felixfedre518
      @felixfedre518 Рік тому +1

      @@dylanfrasier4054 It's quite a selfish and nihilistic way of thinking, really, but the poor woman didn't deserve to die for it.

  • @KoenVandevelde
    @KoenVandevelde 5 місяців тому +9

    The message of mystics like Marguerite Porete and Meister Eckhart is so beautiful and inspiring. (But this understanding is not given to everyone, and certainly not to the rulers of the church itself, partly because Love is at odds with an institution of power).

  • @khairilrashd
    @khairilrashd 3 роки тому +170

    In other parts of the world, this lady is identifiable to what the general public would have called a Sufi master. Greatly misunderstood by prosecutors, Her calm defiance to the last moment is not a surprise.

    • @Alephkilo
      @Alephkilo 2 роки тому +11

      Just like Al Hallaj

    • @magdlynstrouble2036
      @magdlynstrouble2036 2 роки тому +11

      Yes, as a Beguine, she defied the legitimacy of authority of the patriarchal Church. Love that! It's gnostic and it feels so modern. 💖

    • @stephenmeier4658
      @stephenmeier4658 2 роки тому +5

      I thought women weren't allowed to leave the house in that part of the world

    • @safiafraga
      @safiafraga 2 роки тому +8

      Oh yes! This "state" of her and what she describes seems to be the same as tasawuf, the sufi way of aproaching Allah.

    • @azilius5302
      @azilius5302 2 роки тому +5

      @@stephenmeier4658 well you thought wrong mate.

  • @Great1Duane
    @Great1Duane 2 роки тому +29

    Marguerite fought the good fight and kept the faith. “I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.” 2 Timothy 4:7

  • @Bandokker
    @Bandokker 3 роки тому +91

    Somebody else mentioned here similarities between her teachings (?) and Buddhism.
    I do agree and I'm really fascinated how these concepts (unity with God, dissolution of the ego, leaving behind own will, and norms expected by society and following only the will of God/course of nature) are showing up again and again in completely different religious and social contexts: in Islam (Sufism), Buddhism, Daoism and as we see here: in Christianity too.

    • @timetoreason181
      @timetoreason181 3 роки тому +6

      Yes Agree

    • @JohnSmith-mg4df
      @JohnSmith-mg4df 3 роки тому +5

      Straight up it’s even in Sikhi

    • @agniswar3
      @agniswar3 3 роки тому +6

      In Hinduism as well.

    • @TheGuiltsOfUs
      @TheGuiltsOfUs 3 роки тому +3

      God does NOT exist in buddhism and "ego" is just some new age gibberish.

    • @Bandokker
      @Bandokker 3 роки тому +1

      As you wish... :)

  • @patrickmcguire1988
    @patrickmcguire1988 2 роки тому +206

    If I am not mistaken, Christ himself claimed only to be doing the will of his father and taught the Lord’s Prayer “thy will be done on earth as it is is heaven”. Also, other mystics from other cultures makes the same claim: once unification is achieved, reliance on any human virtue system becomes unnecessary since, from the time of unification, understanding and perfect influence guides the accomplished.

    • @jaye4071207
      @jaye4071207 2 роки тому +10

      I love your understanding. Perfectly said

    • @Zeffs72
      @Zeffs72 2 роки тому +7

      I, respectfully, believe this to be a problematic statement. Once unification occurs, we don’t just become “super human”. The values more or less become internalized, where less conscious focus is needed to adhere to them. Therefore, in dealing with a certain type of ethical problem/conflict, we no longer need to use as much thinking and time as the resolution to the conflict becomes more or less internalized. That said, our ability to discuss our rationale does not become impeded. It’s just less effort for us overall.

    • @ac-jn1iq
      @ac-jn1iq 2 роки тому +12

      @@Zeffs72 mmm…no. Even Paul said “we understand these things because *we have the mind of Christ.*”
      True unification is dying to yourself completely so that his mind becomes yours.

    • @marksingleton7199
      @marksingleton7199 2 роки тому +2

      @@ac-jn1iq One thing is not mentioned. The body being created. At the bottom of creation is the world of man that symbolically Eve cut off. The energy of God, that thought energy that surrounds the body which is the soul. The body is the anchor which allows us to be at a zero point and then grow up back to God through looking at the world of man and the peace and joy of God. The more we dislike the world here, the more we recoil from it into ourselves and then God. This is free will. The old testament describes it as accepting the truth. Symbolically shown in the Hebrew word for priest. You live in God but accept Gods life energy passing into this world through your soul. As a priest you accept joining your energy with others who have not yet accepted or understood. So as we seemingly borrow and assimilate Gods thought on the lowest possible level, like a child learning. We must not give away that energy to be used to create in falsity. We simply allow others to willingly share thought energy and not steal it. This is the battle of Earth. The aquisition of energy.

    • @TheGeneralGrievous19
      @TheGeneralGrievous19 2 роки тому +1

      Jesus Christ was God and therefore one with the Father. There are three persons of one being. But even persons of the Trinity are distinct. Humans are even more so distinct beings and souls. Unification with God in literal sense is not a Christian teaching. As was put by Chesterton Christianity gives us "ecstasy of creation". Disstiction between God and man is sacred beacuse it allows relationship and love. Simirally to separation between persons of the Trinity, humans as well as all created beings. True Love cannot exist without separtness of things. God creates many different and beutiful beings out of unity of void, to which e.g. Buddhists wants as to return. Christianity is exact opossite of Eastern (and often Western) myscticism of monism. Ultimately monism brings us to one large being loving himself. It's super-selfish view of the universe which cherishes only itself. Or it brings us to annihilation of things into one large, peaceful but dead void without color, natures and love. Christianity relies on seeking objective Truth about God and universe that is outwards. Mystical monists on subjective experiences and meditation - they focus inwards. In this Christianity is in some alliance with greatest philosophers of the West - Socrates, Plato, Aristotle. In the East we e.g. have Madhvacharaya who also held similar views of God and universe. Christianity had great mystics like Cathrine of Siena, Theresa of Avila or John of the Cross, but they always reminded themselves that God's public revalation is the most important thing, and that we should interpret personal experiences in accordance with it. Mysticism is elitarian and only some pepole become true mystics, Scripture and Tradition is for everyone to see, it speaks to sensibilities of everyday man and woman as well as rational philosophers. It is for eveyrone

  • @valq10
    @valq10 3 роки тому +121

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    • @LetsTalkReligion
      @LetsTalkReligion  3 роки тому +18

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    • @marikesl
      @marikesl 2 роки тому +5

      I could not agree more!

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      @pinkelephant4591 Рік тому +6

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      @katiawhitestar2857 11 місяців тому +2

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    • @bojcio
      @bojcio 27 днів тому

      OK BUT WHY ARE WE YELLING?!

  • @magdlynstrouble2036
    @magdlynstrouble2036 2 роки тому +61

    It's interesting how she very much influenced Ekhardt, but since she was female, and stood outside the patriarchy of the Church as a Beguine, she held less power and was given less leeway for her theology/philosophy, was executed, and her works were anonymous until extremely recently. Whereas Ekhardt, while somewhat tarnished, was always more influential.

  • @rogerhinman5427
    @rogerhinman5427 3 роки тому +65

    And another book has been added to my Wish List. Fascinating theology.

    • @soifrane
      @soifrane 3 роки тому +9

      Marguerite Porete certainly looks interesting but be aware that her writings are not an easy read. Personally, I gave up. In the middle ages they had a very different way of saying things. I find it more beneficial to read about her - or to listen to youtube talks - in order to grasp the essence of her thought/experience. Find some extracts to make up your mind.

    • @Christian_Maoist.
      @Christian_Maoist. 3 роки тому

      @@soifrane Have any recommendations?

    • @nakednous
      @nakednous 2 роки тому +1

      Best reading ever!

    • @solelysoul8543
      @solelysoul8543 2 роки тому +5

      @@soifrane texts of SELF-REALISATION are allegorical, esoteric and NOT literal. They are NOT to be understood by logic, reason and rational thinking.
      They have to be EXPERIENCED, SELF-REALISED.

    • @christopherlin4078
      @christopherlin4078 2 роки тому +2

      everybody is god in a filter

  • @amelisticamente56
    @amelisticamente56 3 роки тому +71

    i just had to read a paper for class about the roles of women in the middle ages and they talked about the beguines! so interesting to see a deeper dive on them

  • @lidu6363
    @lidu6363 3 роки тому +397

    Can one even be a proper mystic without being branded a heretic?

    • @revi8300
      @revi8300 3 роки тому +48

      I think that's a ritual of initiation for any true mystic tbh

    • @complimentary_voucher
      @complimentary_voucher 3 роки тому +38

      Organized religion is 90% organization, 10% misc. Disrupt the organization at your peril, as has been amply demonstrated. Any true religious inquiry/practice should logically welcome additional inputs and interpretations, but because it's mostly about animal hierarchy, that almost never happens. It is what it is, I suppose.

    • @meezanlmt
      @meezanlmt 2 роки тому +22

      @@complimentary_voucher There many mystics who have been claimed by institutional branches in all three major religion tough.

    • @magnuseng3345
      @magnuseng3345 2 роки тому +6

      @@meezanlmt All three? Islam, Christianity...Hinduism?

    • @meezanlmt
      @meezanlmt 2 роки тому +7

      @@magnuseng3345 I'm not too familiar with hinduism, but Judaism , Christianity and Islam for sure.

  • @wesammahana2652
    @wesammahana2652 2 роки тому +13

    very interesting character remind me with another character quite similar, 400 years earlier, specially when you quoted Marguerite talking about LOVE, Her name was Rabi a al- Adawiyya, peace and blessings be on their both souls

  • @silentvhs2835
    @silentvhs2835 2 роки тому +22

    She describes ego death and grace very well. I will definitely be reading her book.

  • @michaelodom7707
    @michaelodom7707 2 роки тому +53

    Have you ever done a video on “The Cloud of Unknowing?”. It’s a 14th century mystic text that is superb but you don’t hear much about

    • @user-pz8nt4pv1r
      @user-pz8nt4pv1r 2 роки тому

      What's this book about ?

    • @Carlos44
      @Carlos44 2 роки тому +4

      If I were stranded on a desert island with only one book, hopefully it would be "The Cloud of Unknowing," along with a later shorter work by the same anonymous author, "The Book of Privy Counsel." There are a number of translations from the middle English. I prefer Johnston's.

    • @GeertMeertens
      @GeertMeertens Рік тому +1

      @@Carlos44 Why these books and why would you have to keep reading those on your island? What is the message these books convey or are you still unclear on this?

    • @deirdrelewis1454
      @deirdrelewis1454 Рік тому +4

      I would add Julian of Norwich. Her book, like the Cloud of Unknowing is easier to understand. The problem with being a mystic is that what they experience is really difficult to put into words. For a modern take on mysticism, try Thomas Merton.

    • @user-hy9nh4yk3p
      @user-hy9nh4yk3p 6 місяців тому

      A wonderful treatise of the mystic love - and surrender to God. It is very practical - in nature and the Nature it hints at - is the Divine one.
      This work has rarified love - pouring out of the words themselves and the aspirant's heart dances - in awe. So beautiful - just so. Fare thee well.@@user-pz8nt4pv1r

  • @simonvegas793
    @simonvegas793 3 роки тому +24

    So many of these same concepts exist in various cultures and religions, all through recorded history... I think we're at a time where it is fair to say the human mystical experience is a very real thing, it's just something that not everyone has experienced.

    • @nasifnazmulanik6634
      @nasifnazmulanik6634 Рік тому +1

      @@AR-gu2no
      Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
      Matthew 5:17

    • @nasifnazmulanik6634
      @nasifnazmulanik6634 Рік тому

      @@AR-gu2no
      Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
      Matthew 10:34

    • @moneyinmyviens
      @moneyinmyviens 11 місяців тому

      @@AR-gu2no you don't follow "Abrahamic dogma" so why haven't you seen it?

    • @helendunn9905
      @helendunn9905 День тому

      There are thise who have seen God and know that LOVE IS ALL. Our "will" is human and limited by our fears and weaknesses. ❤

  • @nfc598
    @nfc598 3 роки тому +15

    The fact that any normal person these day would never stand behind their work and beliefs so strongly as to be burned to death for them, i cant believe how strong she must have been to believe in herself so fearlessly

    • @TheGuiltsOfUs
      @TheGuiltsOfUs 3 роки тому

      Allowing imbeciles to burn you at stake for a vivid imagination is unwise, there is no value in being a martyr.

    • @MKTElM
      @MKTElM 3 роки тому +1

      it is very difficult for me to engage in 'serious' conversation with someone known to me as only Neon Fluffy Cakes !! I'm serious !

    • @nfc598
      @nfc598 3 роки тому +1

      @@MKTElM that's understandable.

    • @MKTElM
      @MKTElM 3 роки тому +3

      @@nfc598 Neon , fine , Cakes well Ok too .. but Fluffy ?

    • @laralebeu36
      @laralebeu36 3 роки тому +4

      @@nfc598 It is beyond belief & fear. It is direct knowing of actuality.

  • @TheCinmatra
    @TheCinmatra 2 роки тому +11

    Meister Eckhart (1260-1328 CE) was clearly influenced by her, but could not risk directly referring to her in his own writings.

  • @spiritualanarchist8162
    @spiritualanarchist8162 2 роки тому +6

    Like Julian of Norwich and Meister Eckhart , the best Catholic mystics were either called heretics or ignored.

  • @magdlynstrouble2036
    @magdlynstrouble2036 2 роки тому +28

    As I took my daily walk, my mind wandered into the thoughts of this mystic. I found myself thinking that what she was expressing (imo) was a way of life that was lived by caritas/love, based on compassion. This kind of person does not need words, books, church authority. They do not need the 10 commandments and the threat of hellfire to do good to other humans, animals, the planet. Their ego, linked to god, is linked to all of creation, and everything they do is as good for others as it is good for themselves. It then reminded me of many atheists' arguments against theists. Theists need a command to be good and punishment if they misbehave (like children do). Atheists do good just because they know in their hearts that it's right. As Paul said, " the mystery is ... Christ in you."

    • @su....
      @su.... 8 місяців тому

      for me, a theist, it's because i was found myself utterly unable to do almost the slightest good that turned me to god, the source of all good, for that goodness i was desperately in need of.

    • @redfullmoon
      @redfullmoon 5 місяців тому

      Whoever said atheists do good just because they know what is good in their hearts does not understand the meaning of the term atheist. It just refers to not believing in a deity, nothing to do with having a sense of moral compass. And belief in a deity or being a theist doesnt even mean you're trying to be virtuous, it just means belief in a deity. It's just that modern Western culture tends to correlate said deity to the Christian God and to some form of purity or virtuousness. In India they worship violent deities. As far as what modern atheists hate it's more likely they are against fanaticism and Bible thumpers rather than a more measured lack of belief in a deity.

  • @yqafree
    @yqafree 3 роки тому +35

    Although I don't agree with her thesis I think that there are many lifestyle choices that fundamentalists need to be more tolerant of. I accept and appreciate her sacrifice, I wish she could have kept a following for even longer

    • @GeertMeertens
      @GeertMeertens Рік тому +2

      It is not a thesis or her thesis. She tells you that your ego is an illusion. As in any dream. All mystics say so. But please do disagree if you prefer to keep dreaming.

  • @daltsu3498
    @daltsu3498 3 роки тому +16

    My heart breaks for her 😭

    • @MKTElM
      @MKTElM 3 роки тому +7

      Yes , we are moved by bravery in the face of malignant inqusition .

  • @mortalclown3812
    @mortalclown3812 Рік тому +2

    I've been listening to an array of beautifully edited mystics on Samaneri Jayasara's channel: it's how I found Marguerite. Always glad to hear your essay about particular people - and their 'radical' ideas.
    Tbh, I'm wondering if a lot of these folks would even be Catholic if they were alive today. Julian of Norwich's insistence that God focused on love - 'All shall be well' - puts her squarely in the no damnation camp. Where else would they get their weapons?
    Here's to MP. Rest in paradise, chica.
    Thank you for taking up her torch for a few of us to see a bit of her light.
    Paz y luz.

    • @justinborders9241
      @justinborders9241 Рік тому

      I love her readings. Especially love her playlist reading Wu Hsin. Good find as is this gentleman’s channel.

  • @garyhobbins4746
    @garyhobbins4746 Рік тому +3

    A beautiful presentation!

  • @JonasAnandaKristiansson
    @JonasAnandaKristiansson Рік тому +4

    A true Master, an enlightened being!

  • @gavininiii
    @gavininiii 3 роки тому +1

    I’ve been waiting for this for so long!

  • @sleepforeveryone
    @sleepforeveryone 2 роки тому +2

    I am loving these videos. Thank you so much for all your hard work!

  • @stevebaylot7924
    @stevebaylot7924 2 роки тому +1

    That you for the research you have put into these programs. They have been very educational for me.

  • @brunomueller6793
    @brunomueller6793 Місяць тому

    Very enlightening presentation. Thank you.

  • @dlloydy5356
    @dlloydy5356 3 роки тому +3

    This content is fascinating. So interesting. Thank you once again

  • @PseudoPseudoDionysius
    @PseudoPseudoDionysius 3 роки тому +2

    I needed this. Thank you so much!
    Brilliant video.

  • @Earth5DUniversity
    @Earth5DUniversity 2 роки тому +4

    I love this and your style. So unbiased. 🌟

  • @rickmacgregor9875
    @rickmacgregor9875 Рік тому +1

    My favorite of your utube lectures. Thank you so much!

  • @jamesgardner3321
    @jamesgardner3321 2 роки тому +2

    Love this Lady. Easily understood by me (soul). Thank you Sir for the knowledge.... Brother James

  • @aseeker2109
    @aseeker2109 2 роки тому +7

    Marguerite Porete brings to mind what has become to be known as the Unity Prayer as reveal by Jesus to Elizabeth Kindelmann (The Flame of Love of the Immaculate Heart of Mary). In this prayer Jesus expresses and reveals the desire of His Sacred Heart. It is so reminiscent of what we find in the Gospel of St John.
    May our feet journey together,
    may our hands gather in unity,
    may our hearts beat in unison,
    may our souls be in harmony,
    may our thoughts be as one,
    may our ears listen to the silence together,
    may our glances profoundly penetrate each other,
    may our lips pray together to gain mercy from the Eternal Father.

    • @revpadma
      @revpadma Рік тому

      I love how the Sufi's say this 'We are helping God to live.'. 💖

  • @HankTVsux
    @HankTVsux 2 роки тому +2

    Incredible. I really appreciate your videos!

  • @andreimustata9829
    @andreimustata9829 2 роки тому +22

    I am not sure that the church missed the subtilty that such a free spirit would still do the right thing without willing it. I think rather that the church correctly understood that such a person would undermine their complete authority.

    • @TheGuiltsOfUs
      @TheGuiltsOfUs 2 роки тому +1

      Spinoza too

    • @GeertMeertens
      @GeertMeertens Рік тому

      That the church correctly understood and there their understanding ended. Complete authority implies incomplete understanding. ignorance.

  • @sanjayajha362
    @sanjayajha362 25 днів тому

    Really great video of of of the greatest mystics and her teaching

  • @carmofantasmapiu5575
    @carmofantasmapiu5575 3 роки тому +48

    The image used as thumbnail is not marguerite porete but it is a painting of Mary mother of Jesus by Antonello da Messina.

    • @LetsTalkReligion
      @LetsTalkReligion  3 роки тому +62

      As there is no actual depiction of Porete, this will represent her for now.

    • @eid8fkebe7f27ejdjdjduyhsvqhwu2
      @eid8fkebe7f27ejdjdjduyhsvqhwu2 3 роки тому

      @@xMoac Didn't you read the reply? Because there's no picture of her.

    • @adriengomez630
      @adriengomez630 3 роки тому +19

      All images of Mary, are girlfriend or wife of the artist or family member.

    • @tolrem
      @tolrem 3 роки тому +2

      @@adriengomez630 Rosetti,the Pre Raphaelite painter, also used his wife and his mistress in his works.

  • @nom5205
    @nom5205 Рік тому +2

    Thanks for bringing this knowledge to us.

  • @hamidsarmadi1100
    @hamidsarmadi1100 3 роки тому +15

    Please make a video about Mansour Al-Hallaj

    • @user-ld7ch1er6j
      @user-ld7ch1er6j 3 роки тому

      This!

    • @maaz87
      @maaz87 3 роки тому

      Doesn't it sound similar to Hallaj and both had the same end thank God that Hallaj wasn't burned but he gave his life after all.

  • @annonymous1273
    @annonymous1273 2 роки тому +3

    What amazing commentary
    Remarkable conceptuality
    Much appreciated, thank you for this

  • @syedahuma3277
    @syedahuma3277 3 роки тому +3

    In February...Prime Minister of Pakistan suggested your video on ibn arabi....that's how you're pretty famous here and how I came across your channel

    • @theguyver4934
      @theguyver4934 2 роки тому

      What is your thoughts on mystical Christianity ?

  • @tomcloud54
    @tomcloud54 3 роки тому +9

    "OH, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to Believe." ~ R.A. Wilson

  • @crucibleraven
    @crucibleraven Місяць тому

    How wonderful! Thank you for sharing this with us. I'll try to find the book.

  • @saharmartinez6253
    @saharmartinez6253 3 роки тому +1

    your channel is amazing man

  • @oceania68
    @oceania68 3 роки тому +1

    Fascinating, something to put on my list.

  • @paularizer
    @paularizer 3 роки тому +1

    That was great. Very interesting. Thank you.

  • @justinbirkholz7814
    @justinbirkholz7814 3 роки тому +1

    Very interesting. Will definitely want to pick up a copy and read it now!

  • @aditya-rt4zb
    @aditya-rt4zb 3 роки тому +5

    17:35 ‘God doesn't have to choose do the right thing, he just does the right thing because he is god' such kind of ideas look so fascinating, why on earth almost every tradition find this thing, even krishna said that good and bad are the concepts of human when you are extinguished by the knowledge all your done and to be done sins are going to be ultimately burnt.
    This is also a similar thing that when you know yourself there is no longer the difference between right and wrong because whatever true self will do is ultimately going to be right because he is a sidfha purusha (achieved man, sorry for the bad translation)
    There is an old saying
    ‘Whatever happens is for good and right reasons, WHATEVER'

  • @beckymartin1810
    @beckymartin1810 3 роки тому

    Thank you for this video!

  • @cjoutright9255
    @cjoutright9255 3 роки тому +23

    I feel like the Gnostics would’ve been a fan

    • @magdlynstrouble2036
      @magdlynstrouble2036 2 роки тому +5

      There were a lot of gnostic still lurking around in those days! Gnosticism serves the soul and God ( as One). The Church supports the patriarchy and protects the (material) wealth of its leaders.

    • @Mika-El-
      @Mika-El- 2 роки тому +2

      @@magdlynstrouble2036 Should still have been a few real cathars around at the time.

    • @anahata3478
      @anahata3478 2 роки тому +2

      The gnostics weren't similar at all. They were incredibly elitist and very dualist in their worldview, while mystics are monists in general

  • @Mika-El-
    @Mika-El- 3 роки тому +11

    Who taught this woman? Was she in some way connected to the cathars? Can you make a video about the cathars and do them justice?

  • @sniffingdogartofficial7257
    @sniffingdogartofficial7257 3 роки тому +9

    Thank you for uploading this! I recently came across your channel and it's truly wonderful!
    I'm sure that your audience would love to see a video on Melchizedek; do you plan to do one about their teachings anytime soon?

  • @CanalPanendithas
    @CanalPanendithas 3 роки тому +3

    Great video! If I come across the book I'll definitely read it

  • @hhyy3173
    @hhyy3173 2 роки тому +5

    She understood ego death ❤️❤️❤️

  • @karekarenohay4432
    @karekarenohay4432 3 роки тому +5

    It's astonishing how from the inner of a spiritually very restrictive christian culture like Middle Age's (rich, but restrictive), some people come out with intuitions that remind those of eastern cultures. I think in the legend of "divine fool" Drukpa Kunley in Tibet, so saint that he didn't respect laws nor convivence rules because he was one with God. It reminds me too the spanish Alumbrados four centuries after Marguerite Pouret, or Miguel de Molinos and his Spiritual Guide.
    I feel like there is an only spiritual truth under all these traditions, like sparks of the same human experience, something fundamentally true burning under the ashes of the diversity of religions. It's trully fascinating!

  • @pedrofranc9342
    @pedrofranc9342 3 роки тому

    another amazing video, congrats

  • @jameswight6259
    @jameswight6259 3 роки тому +7

    Thank you! Have just discovered your channel. Will definitely be watching more.

  • @Guided144
    @Guided144 2 роки тому +1

    Many blessings upon u brother

  • @toniomalley5661
    @toniomalley5661 2 роки тому

    Never heard anything about this before, thank you

  • @sebastianm8028
    @sebastianm8028 2 роки тому +2

    Wonderful. I know a lot about mystical traditions of other religions, but not the one I was born in, christianity. Thank you for these very enlightening videos!

  • @patrickboyle932
    @patrickboyle932 3 роки тому +2

    Another great video!

  • @sandralane1923
    @sandralane1923 2 роки тому

    Much to ponder on. So interesting.

  • @jmb3266
    @jmb3266 5 місяців тому +1

    Having read, The Finished Kingdom by Lillian Dewaters, I see a parallel work of Porete within her book. This was an excellent communication. Thanks!

  • @Lafeolamom
    @Lafeolamom 2 роки тому

    Thank you for this!!!!!!!!

  • @AliciaNyblade
    @AliciaNyblade 2 роки тому +4

    I don't know how I got here, but thanks, UA-cam rabbit hole! I just learned about an awesome lady from history and movement of Christianity I'd never heard of before. The Beguines' take on spirituality, that you follow a certain path or live a certain life because it speaks to you while not being pressured to do so by any earthly authorities, should be what every spiritually-minded person should aspire to. I wish this type of relaxed Christianity that was more concerned about the mystical journey of the individual had become the mainstream type. The world would be so much different for the better if it had. Rest in peace, Marguerite Porete. Blessed be, wise lady.

  • @kuqsigjaku
    @kuqsigjaku 2 роки тому

    Nice job man!

  • @annsmahboob3495
    @annsmahboob3495 3 роки тому +9

    I would love it if you could make a video on 'Abdel Qadir Al Jilani', a Sufi saint who has had great influence on Muslim theology and mysticism since his lifetime.

  • @martinarreguy7789
    @martinarreguy7789 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you my brother, replete and beautiful as ever,,,,,

  • @lucasm7781
    @lucasm7781 3 роки тому +14

    Could you do a video about Umbanda someday? It's a really interesting and deep religion but it doesn't get enough attention in the English speaking world even tho it's a really common and famous religion in south America.
    It also has a huge cultural and historical background

  • @noahdanielg
    @noahdanielg 3 роки тому +15

    Mystic! And one of the very greatest at that! Our next course is going to be on Christian mysticism and it’s similarities to Buddhism, which I’m very excited for; Thomas Merton, Meister Eckhart and Dōgen, good stuff!

    • @LetsTalkReligion
      @LetsTalkReligion  3 роки тому

      Yes!!

    • @adriengomez630
      @adriengomez630 3 роки тому

      Been always into that.

    • @TheGuiltsOfUs
      @TheGuiltsOfUs 3 роки тому +1

      The whole of Buddhism ought to be more anti-mystical, like some zen schools as such beliefs have done nothing but cause further confusion and suffering for man.

  • @marshalldarcy7423
    @marshalldarcy7423 2 роки тому +1

    As always you are brilliant. I am reminded of what I have read of Paul and his problem with "Jewish Law" in that he too evidently thought that if one is following the Law one is not following God, though he seemed to change lateraccording to some.

  • @kylesty6728
    @kylesty6728 3 роки тому +9

    Thank you so much for covering this. As a Christian I’ve stayed away from this book previously over fears that it could be spiritually misleading, but your analysis makes me feel far more comfortable tackling this work one day to see if it has any relevance for my journey. I could see her becoming a personal hero of mine-as a queer Christian I certainly understand what it’s like to be barred from the mainstream ecclesial discourse. Wonderful video as always.

    • @AR-gu2no
      @AR-gu2no 2 роки тому +9

      Your recovering from the human ego that is abrahamic dogma which is based on fear and hatred , god is above this , definitely keep reading , your about to find a huge amount of knowledge and eternal truth! Like what Christ said “god is love” and love transcends dogma completely

    • @carlose4314
      @carlose4314 Місяць тому

      It is condemned by the Church though.

    • @carlose4314
      @carlose4314 Місяць тому

      @@AR-gu2no Jesus established a Church guided by the Holy Spirit.

  • @Courage-to-BE
    @Courage-to-BE 2 місяці тому

    Wow, what an incredible woman she was. This moved me to tears. Our culture today is based upon such incredible ignorance. To believe that reason can be threatened by love is antithetical to creation.

  • @SpiritualySpeaking1
    @SpiritualySpeaking1 2 роки тому +5

    “The consequences of this idea of the will being eradicated is the reason why this book upsets so many people.“ It is the human will, the carnal mind as Saint Paul called it, mortal mind, human mind, egoic mind, or by whatever other name, that refuses to let go.

  • @DrKoulOfficial
    @DrKoulOfficial 3 місяці тому

    Very interesting, thank you

  • @Graviton-cc9bn
    @Graviton-cc9bn 2 роки тому +2

    By the metaphor of mirror I am reminded of abhinavgupta of kashmir who taught similar theory which had a strong "swatantrya" i.e freedom model built into it.

  • @keithoshields2434
    @keithoshields2434 2 роки тому +2

    she is fascinating

  • @mattzeigler110
    @mattzeigler110 3 роки тому +8

    Was just researching her myself a bit. Thank you, excellent video.
    I'd love some time if you did one about the Desert Fathers/Mothers. I've heard some of them learned from direct disciples of Jesus or from disciples of direct disciples. I've also heard they influenced Sufism or those who would influence them later.

  • @waywardsoul3562
    @waywardsoul3562 2 роки тому +2

    Here I am, so many centuries later and everything she wrote… although I never read it.. is word for word who I am and it was gifted to me… not by seeking but by being good and being love… I am love… she was love… it amazes me how many awakened people throughout the ages have tried to tell people what it is they could do to obtain peace and God… we are all heading in this beautiful direction towards what, we no not… thank you for this and all you put on here… brilliant… blessed be….peace

    • @chendaforest
      @chendaforest 2 роки тому

      Yes I like what you have written.

  • @tcl5853
    @tcl5853 3 роки тому

    Wonderful!

  • @ladidadaah
    @ladidadaah 2 роки тому

    Opened the laptop, so,Woke up to your channel bredrin, I love 'un' recorded history or not mainstrain, but i find most ppl who call demself this nd that, whatever their belief are ''non practicing' their beliefs, Regardless i hope you keep your channel going, it's Sat (scotland) so i'm having a ''lets talk religion' morning, stay blessed!
    i'll get round to donation, selah

  • @valq10
    @valq10 3 роки тому +64

    To me, she is a saint and martyr.

    • @jP190--_
      @jP190--_ 3 роки тому +5

      Thanks, Val

    • @TheGuiltsOfUs
      @TheGuiltsOfUs 3 роки тому +1

      Martyrs are fools

    • @jP190--_
      @jP190--_ 3 роки тому +10

      @@TheGuiltsOfUs if there is no God, at least they lived fiercely and died that way too

    • @mohamadibrahimallapitchay2825
      @mohamadibrahimallapitchay2825 3 роки тому

      So do Miguel Serveto Conessa.

    • @evonne315
      @evonne315 2 роки тому +8

      I feel ill knowing how she perished, her writings are amazing. I can't help but see a patriarch threatened by a book written by a woman with far more "she"s and "her"s than they could feel comfortable with. Plus thier egos were threatened with the idea you may lose your self identity completely in God.

  • @Babbajune
    @Babbajune Рік тому

    Thank you ❤️

  • @armanl9430
    @armanl9430 3 роки тому

    very interesting topic.

  • @helenbostock2350
    @helenbostock2350 2 роки тому

    I listen to you. I love women who stand up for their views until their last breath.

  • @dalemyers9439
    @dalemyers9439 2 роки тому

    Excellent!

  • @Myperfectshell
    @Myperfectshell 2 роки тому +2

    This view is the essence of high magick in the Solomonic tradition.

  • @kaleemkharjee5362
    @kaleemkharjee5362 3 роки тому

    Nice research,her influence is very amazing, even some Muslims seemed to have borrowed ideas from porete,,her is must read,thank you for informative video

  • @professormurdoc1359
    @professormurdoc1359 2 роки тому

    Excellent video. Subbed

  • @believewithyourheart5627
    @believewithyourheart5627 Рік тому

    I do believe that her ideas can be found in the scriptures, particularly in the Pauline letters, and if I'm not mistaken it was these ideas that the apostle Peter warned were 'hard to understand' facsiating video, thankyou very much! I feel I'd like to read her book now 🤗🙏

  • @snoo333
    @snoo333 2 роки тому

    thank you

  • @alchemygal3285
    @alchemygal3285 2 роки тому +1

    Amazing

  • @leohorishny9561
    @leohorishny9561 Рік тому

    Fascinating, I’d never heard of the Beguines.🤔

  • @simonhendrickx6884
    @simonhendrickx6884 3 роки тому +10

    Thanks for this I love your work. Since people make alot of requests on the comments here are mine ^^ more Christian Mysticism would be really cool, maybe Ruysbroeck or John of the Cross or the Carmelites in general. Suhrawardi would also be interesting in Islamic topics.

    • @LetsTalkReligion
      @LetsTalkReligion  3 роки тому +7

      Will definitely do more Christian mysticism! And the Suhrawardi video has been in the works for a long time, so it's coming eventually too!

  • @gabrielpaulinodossantos1538
    @gabrielpaulinodossantos1538 3 роки тому +9

    Very interesting video. You could also do a video on the theology of pseudo-dyonisis.

    • @LetsTalkReligion
      @LetsTalkReligion  3 роки тому +5

      Was thinking about this yesterday..

    • @jameswight6259
      @jameswight6259 3 роки тому

      Yes please!

    • @urniurl
      @urniurl 3 роки тому

      @@LetsTalkReligion You could make the connection with Eriugena and the Periphyseon. Fascinating stuff but a lot of work!

  • @belal_ali
    @belal_ali 3 роки тому +3

    This is going to be my new read now

  • @kevinrombouts3027
    @kevinrombouts3027 3 роки тому

    Excellent presentation once more. It doesn't surprise me that the church hierarchy didn't get her or Eckhart. They had great insights into God not gained by following usual church practices. I agree that one's will and God's will can coalesce and any actions that we do are a result of an outworking of the relationship between God and disciple. This is clearly what Paul teaches. Because of Jezus we have UNION with God. Our life's journey is learning to live in union with God through Lord Jesus and by the Holy Spirit. She's a fascinating woman.