Get 20% Off + Free Shipping with promo code “XPERIA” at manscaped.com/xperia #ad The Flood allying with Humanity??? THIS IS LOCO! Or is it...? Today, we find out what would happen to the Halo universe should this insane alliance have been formed...
Flood infection wound... what if flood allied with humans... Oh God it is happening and he is getting us to drop our guard. This is confirmation that the video on if we would survive the flood was just to gather information. This whole thing has been a grand conspiracy and now that I'm on to you, I'd like to ask to be part of a juggernaut just make it work I believe in you.
Hey Xperia I was playing Halo 3, and was thinking about the nuerophysics. So basically what if the reason cortona was 'haunting' us throughout the beginning of the game; is because she's with the gravemind. The gravemind could be using her likeness or her actual self to have what happens happen, to when we ally with the flood. Then it turns on us. I think it orchestrated all key parties arriving to the ark. That's why the gravemind brought high charity too
The Brutes and Elites would both ally with the humans, though it would probably cause some internal conflict in the alliance as the two former Covenant forces constantly feel like they’re better than the other. Maybe it would start a Covenant civil war regardless except this time, Humanity would be a neutral party
@@tpd1864blake Humans: "Guys, guys, come on! There are other ways to settle differences! May we interest you in a little something we call...SPORTS?" And thus alien football was created.
For the longest time I wondered "Wouldn't it make more sense for the Flood to only target the Covenant in Halo 3 until the rings are no longer an issue?"
That's exactly what happen. Lol once The Gravemind stopped the prophet and brutes from firing on the Ark it literally betrayed us after Arbiter kills the prophet.
I mean yeah that’s why it happened. Twice-ish. Halo 2 the Gravemind helped stop the ring though the flood remained hostile. Halo 3 the flood arrived at the Ark, figured out its purpose, and immediately completely allied with humanity to stop Truth. I’m pretty sure the Gravemind was hostile to humanity after he came into existence because he knew they were the reclaimers of the halos and figured they’d follow in the forerunners footsteps. Humans WERE forerunners up until halo 3/legends
They say fear of the unknown is the greatest thing in horror because you make up whatever you think is scariest This is laughter of the unknown, it’s funny because you can make a movie whatever noise is funniest
Hood and Keys watching the Flood eating Regret's fleet: Hood: Hey, do you get a weird feeling that this is gonna backfire spectacularly? Keyes:....Nah, they're cool.
22:35 With the sheer amount of Flood, ALL the Keymimds, Graveminds, etc all converge on one point and fuse to become...a Precursor. This Precursor essentially absorbs all the flood back into himself and says "Congratulations, this Galaxy is yours to use as you see fit. I will resurrect my kind and continue our work in the rest of the universe. So long, thanks for all the fish". This, of course, leaves humanity utterly baffled. But, they have nothing to complain about either..
I mean yeah the flood's purpose isn't to absorb the universe and then die... it's to reform the precursor that it stems from. Once it manages to do so he just goes home to bring back the other precursors. He's just like "thanks here galaxy's yours bye" and pretty much tosses them the proverbial car keys. i imagine the precursor wouldn't toss them the level of knowledge of the forerunners, of course, i'm sure he's learned his lesson there, but the humans would probably shrug, go home, and celebrate.
I do find the idea fascinating that either the precursors unanimously decided that flesh beings was the best thing to be or that remaining organics was the only way to elude the forerunners. Because they can’t be so powerful (dimensionally transcendent) as to make the idea of the forerunners kicking their ass be laughable but they do have such incredible power or technology to become actual sentient or bio-programmed dust. And the process of them returning SIMPLY MUST require an unfathomable amount of raw genetic material in a big wriggly pile.
Only plot hole here is that Cortana actually learns what the Flood is and what they did when she interfaced with the control room in Alpha Halo for the first time. So this would still not happen during CE’s timeline unless she never does it. I mean, the only reason Chief leaves to look for Keyes is because she was shocked by the information she just got. I don’t think she will trust them either even if they showed up as friendlies. I think it would end up similarly to the original, but instead of getting 343 betrayal, it would be the Flood’s.
Cortana would actually have a failsafe plan for whenever the flood attacks humanity. Even if everything goes like Hiddenxperia says I would imagine the failsafe being that Cortana somehow has the index and just activates the rings as a chance to destroy the flood.
another plot hole is that in Halo CE the flood is in their feral stage; there's no Gravemind to control them so they are going off of pure instinct instead of strategy. so forming an alliance would very likely not happen, in Halo CE at least
It makes sense since the Precursors wanted to hand the Mantle of Responsibility to the humans anyway. Wiping out the Covenant prevents the rings from being fired AND punishes them for worshipping the Forerunners. The Precursors get the ultimate revenge on the Foreunners in the end: They wiped themselves out, the rings don't get fired, The Flood teams up with humanity and bestows upon them, The Mantle of Responsibility.
The Precursor’s final test theory must come from him admitting he held back on his attacks on the ancient humans since it wasn’t their time yet. If there’s even the slightest sign of mercy in broader flood behavior from that part, it implies the slimmest chance that the flood’s final state would be a test and rest.
This would make Halo 1 Allied Flood Instantly more hard as new scenarios would have to be created to make your life that much more difficult to keep up with the original game's difficulty
I imagine the "A walk in the woods" theme would play when Chief somehow decides to do a stroll through the library with friendly flood greeting him. A wild thought I know.
With her rampancy and no domain cure, she would probably be deactivated From halo 1-3, she’ll try and convince chief this isn’t the best plan but eventually going along and trusting his choice in supporting the team up
You wanna know what I'd find as a funny what-if scenario: instead of choosing the Forerunners or the ancient humans for the mantle, the Precursors chose another alien race... more notably, the Unggoy; otherwise known as, the grunts.
Holy crap... Imagine this story's final act being with the Banished as the heroes. The Banished are the only major faction left that hasnt been wiped and hasnt fallen for the Flood's trickery. They realize the galaxy is lost, and so the final "game" follows their fight to get to the Ark. Led by Atriox in a Keyes-like position, you play as an innie Spartan 1.1 who joined the Banished after your colony was abandoned by the UNSC. You already mistrusted the UEG after Far Isle, so you ahd the clarity to see the truth. Eventually the Banished fite the array from the Ark, with you hitting the button.
And they make an alliance with the Heretics, since while the know the truth of the halos they probably realize that there was a reason the halos were made all along because they can see it with their own eyes.
I didn't know what to think of this video before I started. "An invincible force allying up with humanity's unyielding determination? Well, they win. Simple. Very easily in fact." and I guess I was pretty accurate, but I really enjoyed the scene-by-scene done. There's a clear answer, but the road to get to that answer was very enjoyable. Also that bandage on your forehead was never explained.
I like the "What If" scenarios. Siding with Chief is always the call, but you can't blame them for not knowing that until Halo 3. Also, losing the Arbiter is a huge blow. Sill waiting for that "buddy cop" TV series starring the two.
22:14 Just imagine that scene with the Arbiter replaced with a Hologram of the Gravemind and he reveals the full truth and during his speech the flood forms across the galaxy break down into dust. Leaving behind a veritable mass of Covenant tech right on Humanity's doorstep. The test has finally been completed. Humanity is the chosen.
Just a small point someone may have mentioned it, but humianty could still win against the flood in this timeline, halo wars still happened and therefore spirt of fire still reaches the ark
I really thought it would be post human-forerunner war theory. What if, the flood never went after the ancient humans? The humans were afterall supposed inheritors of the mantle and the precursor's main grudge was against the forerunners. Things would be drastically different. How about a video on that?
Considering the fact that the flood are corrupted precursors, I always wondered how a precursor would react to modern humanity, who had nothing to do with what happened to the precursors
That's the Xalanyn, according to a theory I've been working on. I think they're Precursors that reconstituted themselves, and chose new forms for themselves.
You know it is a really funny concept of horrors beyond human understanding allying with common humans. I wrote a practice blurb a while back about a setting where a similar to early colonization halo civilization runs into a civilization of essentially xenomorph type aliens which engage in all out war with them. Then in the middle of their greatest battle an immensely powerful eldritch force easily wipes their fleets out forcing humanity and the horrific aliens to work together if they stand any chance of surviving the thing that noticed them.
1:05 I'm sure the Flood, even at that point, had enough infected Covenant hosts that understand human language and still have functional comms gear to start a conversation if they wanted to.
Literally two days ago, I was going through the season 5 battlepass and looking at the infected spartan armor effect and wondered if it would be possible for a flood combat form to become independent from the hive because the original host's mind was too powerful to be taken over completely or maybe the medical staff were able to stop or slow the infection before it fully completed somehow. It would be incredibly interesting from a storytelling perspective. A partially infected spartan would be even more powerful than their counterparts. They would probably be deemed too dangerous or too much of a risk to continue regular service however. So it would be interesting to see what that spartan would go on to do in order to continue the efforts for the UNSC, but independent from their spartan company.
I honestly don't know what I would think about it because it would remind me of the halo 3 mission when the flood temporary help chief and arbiter and then do full turn and betrayed chief and arbiter and once again the duo saved the galaxy
I think the good ending where the flood lets us live is a really nice one. The bad ending where flood betrays us is just boring as the same end could be in any other,,flood wins scenario". The good ending is more unique.
*What if Thel ‘Vadam (the arbiter) was never disgraced?* Would the Heretics still be taken out? Would the arbiter still meet the Gravemind and have enough time to stop Tartarus from activating Delta Halo?
Didn't Generalkidd do a video where it was Sesa Refumee (the Heretic Leader) who got disgraced and had to fight the heretic Thel? Because if you think about it, both were great leaders but Sesa was disgraced and assigned to some gas mining platform where he learned about the Oracle, etc. Thel was disgraced for his failure to protect the rings. But imagine if Sesa went back home to report about the ring while Thel fled to a mining platform to escape being disgraced, found the Oracle...
Chips Dubbo is an eldritch entity. Why else can he be in multiple places at once and even take over the body of a Marine when his voice lines are needed? (No really, play Regret and have a male Marine that isn't Dubbo or a Sergeant. Keep him alive until the first elevator. Then suddenly you'll hear "FULL CAR COMING UP!" when you turn away)
Now I can’t get the mental image of Sergeant Johnson hugging a god-dammed infection form and I am blaming you for it, HiddenXperia! Jokes aside, if you want to do a What If series, may I suggest some ideas? + What If the UNSC found Installation 04 or some other Halo in the early stages or during the middle stages of the Human-Covenant War? + What If the Sangheili (Elites) found out about the Truth of the Great Journey and allied with Humanity before the Fall of Reach? + What If the UNSC discovered a Forerunner Shield World or technologies in their territories during the Human-Covenant War?
I'm currently writing the script to a fan made flood horror game, in which the big plot twist isn't that the flood ally with humanity, but that a fringe death cult ally with the flood (think unitology meets depopulationism), and how the flood use them as "sleeper cells" to plant "seeds" and start outbreaks inside populated areas across several colonies... it's a WIP haha Awesome video idea! Stay Iconic!
I like the idea at the end about it being the final test for humanity proving themselves capable of holding the Mantle of Responsibility. I want more flood in Halo.
Imagine if humans found the hunters first. You know, the worms that make up the scarabs and hunters. Maybe the engineers. You know, Virgil the engineer in ODST?
i imagine the unsc+flood will be like the combine from half life. you can have missiles filled with flood infection forms or biomechanical vehicles made from flood biomass piloted by humans
Missiles filled with infection forms? Sounds like spire missiles from Resistance, they started out carrying crawlers, then later transitioned to spinners to enable field transformation of infected humans
In the timeline presented here the flood are too powerful, and they could just easily consume humanity. But in yet another alternative timeline, or even the mantle timeline, I could see humans getting enough "control" over the flood in order to harness it's power without fear of it turning and infecting us. Maybe we could even cure cancer with the Flood lol.
Might be the reason why he even survived in the first place to become The Arbiter. If he was more about the whole death before dishonor thing he would be seen a tragic hero who fought to the end against overwhelming odds and be used a propaganda piece for the Covenant.
I feel like we would win in the end. Oni more than likely would spend the time Allied with the flood, researching them and their potential weaknesses. Then of course, once the flood inevitably turned, oni would have set like a dozen plans in motion to wipe them out. Even if the flood reached interstellar stage, humanity did have access to planet busting weapons (confirmed in halo: envoy) so all those flood consumed colonies would just be annihilated.
One of the more poetic moments of halo 3 was the momentary alliance with the flood to deal with a more immediate threat. I'd like to find us in that situation again.
Here’s one that always made me wonder. What If: The Chief and Arbiters destinations in Gravemind and Uprising were switched. So you’d have Arbiter starting a revolution or giving Truth a legitimate reason to declare war on the sangheilli. Following that with Chief having to navigate through the civil war on the rings surface
I think after dominating, instead of turning on each other humanity would do sacrifices to the flood like the imperium does to the emperor in warhammer
Great video. It touches on some of the questions I've had about Halo's overall plot. Directly related to the video: 01. We know from Cortana in the control room during the "real timeline" that Halo kills the Flood by starving them, but how long does it take to starve them? The flood outbreak that consumes Keyes (or helps humanity in this timeline) has been sitting there for 100K years. Not frozen. No stasis devices like in Librarian flashback terminals. They are just there, not "eating" anything. This folds into a later question not directly related to the video. 02. What were the Flood infecting for 100K years on Delta Halo in order to have combat forms fighting the sentinels, and ultimately, form a Gravemind? If some intelligent, space faring "mystery species" had ever landed on Delta Halo (similar to the still unexplained vessel crash on Alpha Halo in the Anniversary terminals), the Flood would have infected them and commandeered the vessel. They could have escaped Installation 05 and begun infecting various species tens of thousands of years before they had the slightest chance at evading the Flood or fighting them off. 03. As mentioned in the video, the Flood have no problem diving into corpses and using them bolster their forces. What good does wiping out the galaxy do if they are capable of this? Does infecting corpses versus live hosts mean no information is gathered, and they are "starved" of further intelligence? 04. There is mention here of The Flood turning on humans and consuming the galaxy. There have been previous videos about theoretical "flood galaxies", and the "transgalatic stage" is, as far as I know, canon. Do we ever get an exact number on how fast human and Covenant "FTL" ships are? Even 50x light speed would mean a 100,000 year trek to Andromeda, and who knows if they even arrive at a part of the galaxy with life in it. Does the Flood hibernate to avoid starvation? Would they even need to given their timeline on Alpha and Delta Halo? Slightly less related to the video: 01. Rounding back to my initial starvation timeline question: How much time did Truth think he had to excavate the Forerunner portal and get to the Ark? He didn't send Tartarus to fail, and he had no idea about Cortana's "unoriginal" idea to use In Amber Clad to blow up High Charity and Delta Halo, if needed. How long would it have taken a successful activation to hit Earth? 02. Why didn't the Flood use their own slip space portal to attack the "Lesser Ark" (Installation 00) 100,000 years earlier during their war with the Forerunner? They were perfectly capable of wrecking the "Greater Ark" and knocking the twelve ring array down to seven, with no "Omega" Halos remaining? 03. What species occupy the habitable worlds 25,000 light years in every direction from Alpha Halo? Did Chief and Cortana inadvertently create a "safety void" where the Flood could find hosts after a successful firing of the remaining six rings in the array? Disclaimer: I've played every mainline Halo game, but not the spin off RTS games. I've read a few books, including Greg Bear's Forerunner trilogy, Fall of Reach, Ghosts of Onyx, Glasslands, and The Thursday War, but that seems to account for less than a quarter of all Halo books at this point. I don't read comic books, but I'm familiar with how Didact actually "died" from channels like this. I watch the show, but I know that counts for Grunt doo doo in actual lore discussions. 😂. Any gaps in my knowledge are entirely a byproduct of the extended multimedia universe simply being too damn much to keep up with. 😅
If the flood really is the precursors final test then this video insinuates that theres two ways to earn the mantle either the nigh impossible task of defeating a galactic scale flood infection while upholding the mantle, or turning the flood to an ally
Another What If; What if the precursor's final test happens to be humanity sparing the flood, if an eventual flood upon the galaxy occurs and humanity overcomes the parasite.
They did on a few occasions. When Chakas (343 Guilty Spark’s human form) was on Zeta Halo, the flood spared all the humans there while wiping out the forerunners. Then we all remember that one mission in halo 3.
Hey man great vid, if you fancy anymore what if ideas, I reckon a 'What If Noble 6 got off Reach' would be pretty neat, interesting to see the story implications for Halo CE and where they'd be deployed afterwards. Keep up the great work dude, been watching loads of your stuff while playing Halo recently.
Imagine if they find the Didact in this timeline. Getting woken up by humans of all things that are surrounded by the Flood who are apparently all friendly with each other as well as having the Flood in control of multiple Halo rings.
Man I’m 2 minutes in and other than the moment in halo 3 I don’t think it would be possible while they are in the feral stage. And even Master Chief felt bad for the covenant and terrified, legit terrified when he first saw an infected elite. I can’t imagine Mendoza or another marine just being cool with them.
This would have been the scariest way for things to play out. However, I would imagine ONI would realize (likely too late) what was happening and arrange some plan to try and counter the Flood.
I just can't see a scenario where the events of this alternate universe take place without the flood betraying humanity as soon as they got what they needed on Alpha Halo.
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The Flood allying with Humanity??? THIS IS LOCO! Or is it...? Today, we find out what would happen to the Halo universe should this insane alliance have been formed...
Flood infection wound... what if flood allied with humans...
Oh God it is happening and he is getting us to drop our guard. This is confirmation that the video on if we would survive the flood was just to gather information. This whole thing has been a grand conspiracy and now that I'm on to you, I'd like to ask to be part of a juggernaut just make it work I believe in you.
Now you've done it, HALO What If series is a thing
Only thought that comes from this is the infested from Warframe
Hey Xperia I was playing Halo 3, and was thinking about the nuerophysics. So basically what if the reason cortona was 'haunting' us throughout the beginning of the game; is because she's with the gravemind. The gravemind could be using her likeness or her actual self to have what happens happen, to when we ally with the flood. Then it turns on us. I think it orchestrated all key parties arriving to the ark. That's why the gravemind brought high charity too
How about this one: *What if; Tartarus accepted the Arbiter’s truce at the end of Halo 2?*
The Brutes and Elites would both ally with the humans, though it would probably cause some internal conflict in the alliance as the two former Covenant forces constantly feel like they’re better than the other. Maybe it would start a Covenant civil war regardless except this time, Humanity would be a neutral party
At that point I guess the Prophets would have to like make way more Prelates
I've been wanting to see this one for a while!
@@tpd1864blake Humans: "Guys, guys, come on! There are other ways to settle differences! May we interest you in a little something we call...SPORTS?"
And thus alien football was created.
Be interesting
For the longest time I wondered "Wouldn't it make more sense for the Flood to only target the Covenant in Halo 3 until the rings are no longer an issue?"
That's exactly what happen. Lol once The Gravemind stopped the prophet and brutes from firing on the Ark it literally betrayed us after Arbiter kills the prophet.
I mean yeah that’s why it happened. Twice-ish. Halo 2 the Gravemind helped stop the ring though the flood remained hostile. Halo 3 the flood arrived at the Ark, figured out its purpose, and immediately completely allied with humanity to stop Truth. I’m pretty sure the Gravemind was hostile to humanity after he came into existence because he knew they were the reclaimers of the halos and figured they’d follow in the forerunners footsteps. Humans WERE forerunners up until halo 3/legends
Can’t assume the flood knows the unscs intentions
@@gh0st0freach89 Yeah, but the Flood attacked Earth first.
@@amari5886I mean tbf that was where the portal to the ark was so they had to go there
Sgt Stacker: Never thought I’d fight along side a parasite
Grave mind: (sounds of sheer horror)
Sgt stacker: yeah That’ll do
Gravemind: I never thought I'd fight alongside a parasite either.
Stacker: What do you mean... ooooh. Good one.
They say fear of the unknown is the greatest thing in horror because you make up whatever you think is scariest
This is laughter of the unknown, it’s funny because you can make a movie whatever noise is funniest
“How about alongside a friend?”
You know, maybe there was red flag or two.
Private Chips Dubbo: "At least they aren't emus. Those bastards were bloody hard to kill."
Hood and Keys watching the Flood eating Regret's fleet:
Hood: Hey, do you get a weird feeling that this is gonna backfire spectacularly?
Keyes:....Nah, they're cool.
Alpha Halo Gravemind: Hey, I've got a buddy locked up on Delta Halo in that general direction, can we bust him out?
Keyes: “I don’t see why not!”
Chief: "say less"
Humanity: THERES MORE THAN ONE HALO???!??????????!!?!??
@@Commander_Appo
Johnson: *Cough cough.* Say what?
@@stylesrj😂😂😂
Solider:"Soooo.. what knowledge you possess?"
Flood bioform:"i possess knowledge of a board game is that enough?"
Marine:"Huh. Yea.."
You know you're dead when you see master chief fist bump the gravemind and then sprint after you
*WORT WORT WORT*
Imagine the Halo 2 award ceremony scene with Chief, Johnson, Keyes, and Carl the Carrier-Form! XD
mannn😂
22:35
With the sheer amount of Flood, ALL the Keymimds, Graveminds, etc all converge on one point and fuse to become...a Precursor.
This Precursor essentially absorbs all the flood back into himself and says "Congratulations, this Galaxy is yours to use as you see fit. I will resurrect my kind and continue our work in the rest of the universe. So long, thanks for all the fish".
This, of course, leaves humanity utterly baffled. But, they have nothing to complain about either..
If this was how all of Halo ended I might be happy with that.
“Thanks for all the fish” ah I see your a man of culture.
I mean yeah the flood's purpose isn't to absorb the universe and then die... it's to reform the precursor that it stems from. Once it manages to do so he just goes home to bring back the other precursors. He's just like "thanks here galaxy's yours bye" and pretty much tosses them the proverbial car keys. i imagine the precursor wouldn't toss them the level of knowledge of the forerunners, of course, i'm sure he's learned his lesson there, but the humans would probably shrug, go home, and celebrate.
I do find the idea fascinating that either the precursors unanimously decided that flesh beings was the best thing to be or that remaining organics was the only way to elude the forerunners.
Because they can’t be so powerful (dimensionally transcendent) as to make the idea of the forerunners kicking their ass be laughable but they do have such incredible power or technology to become actual sentient or bio-programmed dust.
And the process of them returning SIMPLY MUST require an unfathomable amount of raw genetic material in a big wriggly pile.
Only plot hole here is that Cortana actually learns what the Flood is and what they did when she interfaced with the control room in Alpha Halo for the first time. So this would still not happen during CE’s timeline unless she never does it.
I mean, the only reason Chief leaves to look for Keyes is because she was shocked by the information she just got. I don’t think she will trust them either even if they showed up as friendlies.
I think it would end up similarly to the original, but instead of getting 343 betrayal, it would be the Flood’s.
Cortana would actually have a failsafe plan for whenever the flood attacks humanity.
Even if everything goes like Hiddenxperia says I would imagine the failsafe being that Cortana somehow has the index and just activates the rings as a chance to destroy the flood.
Or maybe we can say that the flood manages to tell cortana ,,we were bad ,but now were good." Boom everything goes as the video says.😂
another plot hole is that in Halo CE the flood is in their feral stage; there's no Gravemind to control them so they are going off of pure instinct instead of strategy. so forming an alliance would very likely not happen, in Halo CE at least
@@AFunkyFella There is a proto-gravemind capable of basic stategization.
Yeah exactly what I was thinking. This video was fun but I'm surprised he missed this
the image in my head of a marine petting a cute little infection form is so cute I don't know why
That's the end point of this alternate universe, everyone has Infection Forms as pets
This is one of the best mental images I've experienced.
and millisecond he touches it he instantly turns into a flood form
@@HiddenXperiaI’ll call mine Winston!
Now imagine how awkward it woud be as a marine just waiting in a pelican and and like 3 or 4 of your squad mates are constantly gargling next to you
“Look here, Mr. Gravemind. You’re about destroying any living creature you encounter. We humans are all *about* that shit.”
It makes sense since the Precursors wanted to hand the Mantle of Responsibility to the humans anyway. Wiping out the Covenant prevents the rings from being fired AND punishes them for worshipping the Forerunners.
The Precursors get the ultimate revenge on the Foreunners in the end: They wiped themselves out, the rings don't get fired, The Flood teams up with humanity and bestows upon them, The Mantle of Responsibility.
But the Gravemind has said they want to test humanity not hand over the Mantle
@@Anteatereatingantsthey will probably just ask "what is the flight speed of an unladen swallow?"
@@ProjectW013 What kind, African or European?
The Gravemind: "It was you that created us. You gave us life and thus we must protect you."
The Gravemind also:"You're cousin species wanted to Kill us all, they're psychopaths anyway!".
Isn't that what "I am a monument to all your sins!" mean?
The Precursor’s final test theory must come from him admitting he held back on his attacks on the ancient humans since it wasn’t their time yet.
If there’s even the slightest sign of mercy in broader flood behavior from that part, it implies the slimmest chance that the flood’s final state would be a test and rest.
ngl those flood infection forms are lowkey cute
The real reason people cant fight off the infection forms. Too… cute
I think the infection forms in Halo Ce are the cutest
Here is someone whose spent too much time on Rule 34
@@Covenantempireballtrue.
Popcorn.
Do we need infection form plushies? No, wait, even better, a carrier form plushie.
All this happened due to the fact that Keyes shook hands with a carrier form.
343 spark watching as the reclaimers befriend the very beings that wiped out all of his creators' lives
He was once a human
Ayo, what the fuck am i seeing
This would make Halo 1 Allied Flood Instantly more hard as new scenarios would have to be created to make your life that much more difficult to keep up with the original game's difficulty
Instant Rampancy
Its almost like its human nature to befriend/ eat shit that was ment to kill us
I imagine the "A walk in the woods" theme would play when Chief somehow decides to do a stroll through the library with friendly flood greeting him. A wild thought I know.
Under the atriums, through the hallways, nothing but Sentinel (and Jackal)
I love this because all I kept thinking was "when is the axe going to drop"
So, what is Cortana doing in this timeline? She's just cool with the Flood after learning about them from Halo's control room?
With her rampancy and no domain cure, she would probably be deactivated
From halo 1-3, she’ll try and convince chief this isn’t the best plan but eventually going along and trusting his choice in supporting the team up
You wanna know what I'd find as a funny what-if scenario: instead of choosing the Forerunners or the ancient humans for the mantle, the Precursors chose another alien race... more notably, the Unggoy; otherwise known as, the grunts.
Nah, those guys are in the primitive stages, he will chose the Same"shayum.
And so, even if for but a moment, father and son fight side by side.
Ironically convincing a species to help get them off-ring and out in the wild would be the doom of the galaxy
Holy crap...
Imagine this story's final act being with the Banished as the heroes.
The Banished are the only major faction left that hasnt been wiped and hasnt fallen for the Flood's trickery.
They realize the galaxy is lost, and so the final "game" follows their fight to get to the Ark. Led by Atriox in a Keyes-like position, you play as an innie Spartan 1.1 who joined the Banished after your colony was abandoned by the UNSC. You already mistrusted the UEG after Far Isle, so you ahd the clarity to see the truth.
Eventually the Banished fite the array from the Ark, with you hitting the button.
And they make an alliance with the Heretics, since while the know the truth of the halos they probably realize that there was a reason the halos were made all along because they can see it with their own eyes.
I didn't know what to think of this video before I started. "An invincible force allying up with humanity's unyielding determination? Well, they win. Simple. Very easily in fact." and I guess I was pretty accurate, but I really enjoyed the scene-by-scene done. There's a clear answer, but the road to get to that answer was very enjoyable.
Also that bandage on your forehead was never explained.
That's where the Flood infected him. This the Gravemind's scheme to do PR.
I like the "What If" scenarios.
Siding with Chief is always the call, but you can't blame them for not knowing that until Halo 3. Also, losing the Arbiter is a huge blow. Sill waiting for that "buddy cop" TV series starring the two.
Imagine being chief and a bunch of marines arrive with a horde of tentacle monsters casually trailing behind them like its the friendly family dog lol
22:14 Just imagine that scene with the Arbiter replaced with a Hologram of the Gravemind and he reveals the full truth and during his speech the flood forms across the galaxy break down into dust. Leaving behind a veritable mass of Covenant tech right on Humanity's doorstep. The test has finally been completed. Humanity is the chosen.
Just a small point someone may have mentioned it, but humianty could still win against the flood in this timeline, halo wars still happened and therefore spirt of fire still reaches the ark
The mantle probably got passed on so they would end up not killing each other and co-exist
I think they would inherite the mantle then they would co-exist. 🌚
@@Ostr0, Nah, they will part ways.
I really thought it would be post human-forerunner war theory. What if, the flood never went after the ancient humans? The humans were afterall supposed inheritors of the mantle and the precursor's main grudge was against the forerunners. Things would be drastically different.
How about a video on that?
Considering the fact that the flood are corrupted precursors, I always wondered how a precursor would react to modern humanity, who had nothing to do with what happened to the precursors
That's the Xalanyn, according to a theory I've been working on. I think they're Precursors that reconstituted themselves, and chose new forms for themselves.
I think the "final test" ending is better than the first one, because we all know endings that have everyone die suck! 😁
Speak for yourself.
There are plenty of incredible films, series, and games that end with the death of the protagonists or worse.
@@grindcoreninja6527Yeah. But they’re real downers
Reach's ending was pretty good...
Arbiter: What is it, more brutes?
Master Chief: Better.
At least the Flood is the Deadly Enemy. Even the Gravemind is god damn creepier.
You know it is a really funny concept of horrors beyond human understanding allying with common humans.
I wrote a practice blurb a while back about a setting where a similar to early colonization halo civilization runs into a civilization of essentially xenomorph type aliens which engage in all out war with them. Then in the middle of their greatest battle an immensely powerful eldritch force easily wipes their fleets out forcing humanity and the horrific aliens to work together if they stand any chance of surviving the thing that noticed them.
You still have it? It sounds like an interesting read to me.
1:05 I'm sure the Flood, even at that point, had enough infected Covenant hosts that understand human language and still have functional comms gear to start a conversation if they wanted to.
Literally two days ago, I was going through the season 5 battlepass and looking at the infected spartan armor effect and wondered if it would be possible for a flood combat form to become independent from the hive because the original host's mind was too powerful to be taken over completely or maybe the medical staff were able to stop or slow the infection before it fully completed somehow.
It would be incredibly interesting from a storytelling perspective. A partially infected spartan would be even more powerful than their counterparts. They would probably be deemed too dangerous or too much of a risk to continue regular service however. So it would be interesting to see what that spartan would go on to do in order to continue the efforts for the UNSC, but independent from their spartan company.
In one of the halo books there is a story of a infected marine that could have some degree of control I remeber
Flood being this smart would've been horrifying
I honestly don't know what I would think about it because it would remind me of the halo 3 mission when the flood temporary help chief and arbiter and then do full turn and betrayed chief and arbiter and once again the duo saved the galaxy
I think the good ending where the flood lets us live is a really nice one. The bad ending where flood betrays us is just boring as the same end could be in any other,,flood wins scenario". The good ending is more unique.
We just need to teach the Flood how to farm lol. Gotta assert that Mantle. The flood can just chill on Alpha Halo and learn how to paint or something.
I find it incredibly funny how the Flood getting involved seemingly wipes 343 Ind out of existence
Would that really be a bad timeline? Considering the damage 343's done to the series?
@@brendanboomhour7606 Well yeah cause everyone would die
@@starsilverinfinity wouldn't be so bad if Bungie's games (mostly) happened as is, but 343's didn't
*What if Thel ‘Vadam (the arbiter) was never disgraced?* Would the Heretics still be taken out? Would the arbiter still meet the Gravemind and have enough time to stop Tartarus from activating Delta Halo?
Didn't Generalkidd do a video where it was Sesa Refumee (the Heretic Leader) who got disgraced and had to fight the heretic Thel?
Because if you think about it, both were great leaders but Sesa was disgraced and assigned to some gas mining platform where he learned about the Oracle, etc. Thel was disgraced for his failure to protect the rings.
But imagine if Sesa went back home to report about the ring while Thel fled to a mining platform to escape being disgraced, found the Oracle...
Imagine chips dubbo fighting alongside an elite combat form 😂
Chips Dubbo is an eldritch entity. Why else can he be in multiple places at once and even take over the body of a Marine when his voice lines are needed? (No really, play Regret and have a male Marine that isn't Dubbo or a Sergeant. Keep him alive until the first elevator. Then suddenly you'll hear "FULL CAR COMING UP!" when you turn away)
Now I can’t get the mental image of Sergeant Johnson hugging a god-dammed infection form and I am blaming you for it, HiddenXperia!
Jokes aside, if you want to do a What If series, may I suggest some ideas?
+ What If the UNSC found Installation 04 or some other Halo in the early stages or during the middle stages of the Human-Covenant War?
+ What If the Sangheili (Elites) found out about the Truth of the Great Journey and allied with Humanity before the Fall of Reach?
+ What If the UNSC discovered a Forerunner Shield World or technologies in their territories during the Human-Covenant War?
*Friendship ended with Thel'Vadamee, now ultra-intelligent space parasite is my best friend*
I'm currently writing the script to a fan made flood horror game, in which the big plot twist isn't that the flood ally with humanity, but that a fringe death cult ally with the flood (think unitology meets depopulationism), and how the flood use them as "sleeper cells" to plant "seeds" and start outbreaks inside populated areas across several colonies... it's a WIP haha
Awesome video idea! Stay Iconic!
Haha marker head religion. But with 100% more flood.
It kind of sounds like the Darwin cultists from Aliens Dark Descent. They sacrifice themselves and other people for their "great journey"
The funny thing is, if the flood were just another hivemind species without the galaxtic domination agenda, this would be a very possible alliance.
Wouldn't Cortana have told Chief about the danger of the Flood since she was still plugged into the console in the control room?
I’m absolutely loving your re-route to flood videos. Please keep doing them!!! Thank you so much
I like the idea at the end about it being the final test for humanity proving themselves capable of holding the Mantle of Responsibility.
I want more flood in Halo.
Hmm, a video about Humanity and The Flood as allies..... for Valentines Day........
Chief be getting some floodussy
The biggest flaw I see is that I don't see the flood forming an alliance before the stage of forming a full gravemind.
What we definitely need as a What if video is if the Banished allied with humanity.
Imagine if humans found the hunters first. You know, the worms that make up the scarabs and hunters.
Maybe the engineers. You know, Virgil the engineer in ODST?
i imagine the unsc+flood will be like the combine from half life.
you can have missiles filled with flood infection forms
or biomechanical vehicles made from flood biomass piloted by humans
Missiles filled with infection forms? Sounds like spire missiles from Resistance, they started out carrying crawlers, then later transitioned to spinners to enable field transformation of infected humans
In the timeline presented here the flood are too powerful, and they could just easily consume humanity. But in yet another alternative timeline, or even the mantle timeline, I could see humans getting enough "control" over the flood in order to harness it's power without fear of it turning and infecting us. Maybe we could even cure cancer with the Flood lol.
The arbiter isnt an idiot, Thel Vadam(ee) is smart enough to know when to retreat. He'd probably go into hiding and wage a guerrilla war
Or retreat and warn the higher arcs about the flood
Might be the reason why he even survived in the first place to become The Arbiter. If he was more about the whole death before dishonor thing he would be seen a tragic hero who fought to the end against overwhelming odds and be used a propaganda piece for the Covenant.
This video got me thinking about why the banished didn't show up in halo 3 for the fall of the covenant
From what I’ve read a bit about the Precursors, I think they were at some point. Could be wrong…
I feel like we would win in the end. Oni more than likely would spend the time Allied with the flood, researching them and their potential weaknesses. Then of course, once the flood inevitably turned, oni would have set like a dozen plans in motion to wipe them out. Even if the flood reached interstellar stage, humanity did have access to planet busting weapons (confirmed in halo: envoy) so all those flood consumed colonies would just be annihilated.
One of the more poetic moments of halo 3 was the momentary alliance with the flood to deal with a more immediate threat. I'd like to find us in that situation again.
Here’s one that always made me wonder. What If: The Chief and Arbiters destinations in Gravemind and Uprising were switched. So you’d have Arbiter starting a revolution or giving Truth a legitimate reason to declare war on the sangheilli. Following that with Chief having to navigate through the civil war on the rings surface
I do want to see What if Miranda Keyes survived Halo 3 because she is my favourite character.
"What if Miranda Keyes brought some ODSTs with her when she crash landed..."
@@stylesrj maybe
I feel like after the covenant fall, the flood would just consume us all
Edit: yeah he brought that up
went back and watched a 7 year old video after this one and damn i didn’t realise how much you have changed.
What if the banished had an alliance with the unsc?
I think after dominating, instead of turning on each other humanity would do sacrifices to the flood like the imperium does to the emperor in warhammer
Great video. It touches on some of the questions I've had about Halo's overall plot.
Directly related to the video:
01. We know from Cortana in the control room during the "real timeline" that Halo kills the Flood by starving them, but how long does it take to starve them? The flood outbreak that consumes Keyes (or helps humanity in this timeline) has been sitting there for 100K years. Not frozen. No stasis devices like in Librarian flashback terminals. They are just there, not "eating" anything. This folds into a later question not directly related to the video.
02. What were the Flood infecting for 100K years on Delta Halo in order to have combat forms fighting the sentinels, and ultimately, form a Gravemind? If some intelligent, space faring "mystery species" had ever landed on Delta Halo (similar to the still unexplained vessel crash on Alpha Halo in the Anniversary terminals), the Flood would have infected them and commandeered the vessel. They could have escaped Installation 05 and begun infecting various species tens of thousands of years before they had the slightest chance at evading the Flood or fighting them off.
03. As mentioned in the video, the Flood have no problem diving into corpses and using them bolster their forces. What good does wiping out the galaxy do if they are capable of this? Does infecting corpses versus live hosts mean no information is gathered, and they are "starved" of further intelligence?
04. There is mention here of The Flood turning on humans and consuming the galaxy. There have been previous videos about theoretical "flood galaxies", and the "transgalatic stage" is, as far as I know, canon. Do we ever get an exact number on how fast human and Covenant "FTL" ships are? Even 50x light speed would mean a 100,000 year trek to Andromeda, and who knows if they even arrive at a part of the galaxy with life in it. Does the Flood hibernate to avoid starvation? Would they even need to given their timeline on Alpha and Delta Halo?
Slightly less related to the video:
01. Rounding back to my initial starvation timeline question: How much time did Truth think he had to excavate the Forerunner portal and get to the Ark? He didn't send Tartarus to fail, and he had no idea about Cortana's "unoriginal" idea to use In Amber Clad to blow up High Charity and Delta Halo, if needed. How long would it have taken a successful activation to hit Earth?
02. Why didn't the Flood use their own slip space portal to attack the "Lesser Ark" (Installation 00) 100,000 years earlier during their war with the Forerunner? They were perfectly capable of wrecking the "Greater Ark" and knocking the twelve ring array down to seven, with no "Omega" Halos remaining?
03. What species occupy the habitable worlds 25,000 light years in every direction from Alpha Halo? Did Chief and Cortana inadvertently create a "safety void" where the Flood could find hosts after a successful firing of the remaining six rings in the array?
Disclaimer: I've played every mainline Halo game, but not the spin off RTS games. I've read a few books, including Greg Bear's Forerunner trilogy, Fall of Reach, Ghosts of Onyx, Glasslands, and The Thursday War, but that seems to account for less than a quarter of all Halo books at this point. I don't read comic books, but I'm familiar with how Didact actually "died" from channels like this. I watch the show, but I know that counts for Grunt doo doo in actual lore discussions. 😂. Any gaps in my knowledge are entirely a byproduct of the extended multimedia universe simply being too damn much to keep up with. 😅
another ending would be humanity using the rings and pulling a forerunner
no halo 4 onwards?? sounds like a win to me
If the flood really is the precursors final test then this video insinuates that theres two ways to earn the mantle either the nigh impossible task of defeating a galactic scale flood infection while upholding the mantle, or turning the flood to an ally
"Halo 4, Halo 5 and Halo Infinite never happen"
People who didn't like 343 era games: "Were the Flood actually heroes?"
Nice video man I miss the FLOOD
That is a crazy idea
3:47 Floodie Buddies
I think Thel would've jumped to fight another day and report the situation once he realized his fleet is getting torn apart.
He won't be marked with shame, but he would be given more power. Tartarus wouldn't like it but begrudgingly agrees
Another What If; What if the precursor's final test happens to be humanity sparing the flood, if an eventual flood upon the galaxy occurs and humanity overcomes the parasite.
They did on a few occasions. When Chakas (343 Guilty Spark’s human form) was on Zeta Halo, the flood spared all the humans there while wiping out the forerunners. Then we all remember that one mission in halo 3.
and kinda when the gravemind teleported arby nd chief to go stop the ring from firing in halo 2
@@LulSpazzout916 that definitely counts
Hey man great vid, if you fancy anymore what if ideas, I reckon a 'What If Noble 6 got off Reach' would be pretty neat, interesting to see the story implications for Halo CE and where they'd be deployed afterwards.
Keep up the great work dude, been watching loads of your stuff while playing Halo recently.
* looks at elite * hold me baby!
I forget, did you do a “what if” video about Humanity and the Banished teaming up against the Covenant?
I think the flood just wants to give very violent hugs and I for one will be glad to give them that love❤
Great work Xperia! Now we just need a series containing every covenant species allying with humanity! One episode at a time!
Imagine if they find the Didact in this timeline. Getting woken up by humans of all things that are surrounded by the Flood who are apparently all friendly with each other as well as having the Flood in control of multiple Halo rings.
i can imagine in this timeline that regular civilians on earth have flood infection forms as pets
Right off the bat, basically what the precorsors/flood didn't fully submit to animalistic instinct.
I absolutely love these long theory videos. We need more.
Man I’m 2 minutes in and other than the moment in halo 3 I don’t think it would be possible while they are in the feral stage. And even Master Chief felt bad for the covenant and terrified, legit terrified when he first saw an infected elite. I can’t imagine Mendoza or another marine just being cool with them.
Another W flood upload from the king of lore himself
I mean... being responsible for the destruction of the brute home world seems like more than "some reason" to hate humanity
I know chief not being waterproof was just a throwaway line but I think an underwater halo campaign level would be cool
What if instead of the elites joining humanity, it was the brutes instead of the elites against the covenant
This would have been the scariest way for things to play out. However, I would imagine ONI would realize (likely too late) what was happening and arrange some plan to try and counter the Flood.
Oddly enough I found myself looking for gravemind valentines cards earlier
Next one should be what if the unsc and banished formed an alliance
I just can't see a scenario where the events of this alternate universe take place without the flood betraying humanity as soon as they got what they needed on Alpha Halo.
"They could join our alliance, or the flood could just wipe them out as well."
Sounds like they're joining the alliance. One way or another.
This doesn't turn the tide of the covenant war, this strait up moves the damn ocean
17:22 What happens when you join your voice with the Flood without joining the hive mind, itself, lol.