@@shootandcruise Also note Remington and Remington Rand are two different companies. Some people get confused with that Remington Rand company made type writers and electronic razor. Because the War Broke out all companies made weapons for the war efforts. The Remington Rand and Union Light Switch are the two hard to get 1911's Its the ultimate war treasure
They have to drill 3 small half circles at the bottom of the barrel that don’t actually breach into the barrel itself so the three screws can go through those half circles and cinch down.
Yep! All that happened here was he took a gun with actual monetary and historical value of its own, and made a fake that doesn't even have the correct parts.
You both are absolutely right. And I understand your perspective. However, I took a gun that had been sitting for over 60 years unused and converted it to as close as I could as a trench gun (having a 4 row heat shield and cylinder barrel would’ve made it clone correct). However, bull creek did not have either of their parts so I went through with it anyways. I’ve now got a gun I use almost monthly and never intend to sell.
@@kevinbenedict1422 He's got a sleeve tattoo, bought the first one he ever touched because it was in video games, and watches Garand Thumb videos. Good decisions are not in this guy's wheelhouse. If you're going to convert it and refinish a 1897, at least find a cosmetically low grade, but functionally good starting point that doesn't wreck a nice survivor. You'll have $200-$500 more in your pocket to kick toward the conversion, and there are 100X more rough 1897's out there than nice ones. Nope, I'm not a Fudd, just a millennial with common sense. Wait until his wife finds out he invested $1,900(are you nuts?) into a restoration/recreation on a gun he paid $500-700 for that's going to be worth about the same amount because unlike an original or Norinco, it didn't leave a factory in that configuration. He could have literally bought the real thing or three Norinco copies with the amount he dumped into this, and it would have been an actual investment instead of pissing money away.
But it would probably bother you if someone made a sporting rifle out of a 98 mauser, also keep in mind that gun was stripped down and rebuilt that paper probably wasn't even originally in that gun you just happened to get the one they put it back in
I sent them my 1897 (that had the license in the stock), they chopped it and did the heat shield, and sent it back. It’s all the original parts minus the heat shield/bayonet lug. I recognize all the wood as the original I had. And yes, I understand your comment on sporterizing. I thought heavily on this before doing it.
@@shootandcruise You thought heavily on it, yet didn't think to get the correct parts? WW1 trench guns were all solid frame guns with 6 row heat shields. WW2 guns were takedown guns with 4 row heat shields. You thought heavily on this, but couldn't even be bothered to get it right? All you've done here from your lack of attention to detail is create a frankengun out of a once authentic gun.
@@kevinbenedict1422you didn’t say a single word that I didn’t already know. Congrats and being holier and purer than all mankind. I enjoy the gun, don’t ever intend on selling it, and that’s all that matters.
Very happy to know you like your gun! Thanks for the shout-out. Have fun with it, Bull Creek Arms Team.
Thanks again! I recommend you guys to everyone I know who is interested in these sweet firearms.
I got one from you guys over last winter. I knew I’d enjoy it but I didn’t know I’d enjoy it that much!
Thanks guys, worth every penny
That was educational. Thank you! Nice gun!
Thanks for watching!
Beautiful! I just got a 1911 manufactured, solid frame 1897 and plan to send it to Bill Creek too.
Nice
beautiful firearm. John Moses Browning knew how to make a legendary gun. jealous of you man
Thanks man. Browning is a legend
That Baynoet is from the Remington Rand Company. Remington Rand made many Baynoets during World Wars I and II.
Thank you for educating me!
@@shootandcruise Also note Remington and Remington Rand are two different companies. Some people get confused with that Remington Rand company made type writers and electronic razor. Because the War Broke out all companies made weapons for the war efforts. The Remington Rand and Union Light Switch are the two hard to get 1911's Its the ultimate war treasure
Totally awesome!
Thanks!
interested to know the small mods to the barrel that have to be done to get the heat shield on that one since its a reproduction one like mine.
They have to drill 3 small half circles at the bottom of the barrel that don’t actually breach into the barrel itself so the three screws can go through those half circles and cinch down.
1911 and earlier were 2.5 inch shells
Good to know. Thanks
I like this
Wait 'til you choot it. gobless hoss
Spoilers: Converting a stock 1897 does not add value to the gun. If anything, it decreases in value...
Yep! All that happened here was he took a gun with actual monetary and historical value of its own, and made a fake that doesn't even have the correct parts.
You both are absolutely right. And I understand your perspective. However, I took a gun that had been sitting for over 60 years unused and converted it to as close as I could as a trench gun (having a 4 row heat shield and cylinder barrel would’ve made it clone correct). However, bull creek did not have either of their parts so I went through with it anyways. I’ve now got a gun I use almost monthly and never intend to sell.
@@shootandcruise Then, that's all that matters...As long as you are OK with it losing value, and never recovering your investment: "Whatever'...
@@kevinbenedict1422 He's got a sleeve tattoo, bought the first one he ever touched because it was in video games, and watches Garand Thumb videos. Good decisions are not in this guy's wheelhouse. If you're going to convert it and refinish a 1897, at least find a cosmetically low grade, but functionally good starting point that doesn't wreck a nice survivor. You'll have $200-$500 more in your pocket to kick toward the conversion, and there are 100X more rough 1897's out there than nice ones. Nope, I'm not a Fudd, just a millennial with common sense. Wait until his wife finds out he invested $1,900(are you nuts?) into a
restoration/recreation on a gun he paid $500-700 for that's going to be worth about the same amount because unlike an original or Norinco, it didn't leave a factory in that configuration. He could have literally bought the real thing or three Norinco copies with the amount he dumped into this, and it would have been an actual investment instead of pissing money away.
But it would probably bother you if someone made a sporting rifle out of a 98 mauser, also keep in mind that gun was stripped down and rebuilt that paper probably wasn't even originally in that gun you just happened to get the one they put it back in
I sent them my 1897 (that had the license in the stock), they chopped it and did the heat shield, and sent it back. It’s all the original parts minus the heat shield/bayonet lug. I recognize all the wood as the original I had. And yes, I understand your comment on sporterizing. I thought heavily on this before doing it.
@@shootandcruise You thought heavily on it, yet didn't think to get the correct parts? WW1 trench guns were all solid frame guns with 6 row heat shields. WW2 guns were takedown guns with 4 row heat shields. You thought heavily on this, but couldn't even be bothered to get it right? All you've done here from your lack of attention to detail is create a frankengun out of a once authentic gun.
@@kevinbenedict1422you didn’t say a single word that I didn’t already know. Congrats and being holier and purer than all mankind. I enjoy the gun, don’t ever intend on selling it, and that’s all that matters.
How long did you have to wait to get it back? Was it the 6 weeks as they state on their website?
I had it back in about two weeks.
I just got my 1897 yesterday going to be a trench gun
Nice. You sending it to bull creek?
@ actually another shop is doing the conversion
Stop ruining these.
This slaps!!!
Thanks dawg!
First like. ❤
Congrats! You are entered into the raffle.
@@shootandcruise what’s the raffle for?
I got one from bull creek. It’s from 1901
That's awesome. They're extremely fun guns.