I bought 1957 version to convert, that way I was cheesing the least amount of people. I cut my own barrel and bought the heat shield/bayonet from atlantic armoury. The enfield pig sticker also fits. It's almost as fast as the 1301.
Nice result. I hate that you’re getting negativity in these comments. On mine I came up with an idea that I thought would be simple (was a headache for my local gunsmith). I kept my 28 inch takedown front assembly factory, but purchased a separate assembly and modified that one. So now it comforts that guilty part of my brain that I still have the ability to convert it to stock config, and be able to wield a clone of the gun I love while having almost no chance of affording a real version. 😂
I don't remember 100% but I think it's part of the package and they don't lower the price if you refuse it. Doesn't make sense to me, but that's how I remember it.
@@shootandcruise Thanks for the reply. Doesn't make sense to me either. I just want the barrel cut, the grooves for the heat shield screws milled properly, and the shield installed. If I don't need/want it reblued I shouldn't have to pay for it. Maybe I'll just do it myself.
@@shootandcruise Also note Remington and Remington Rand are two different companies. Some people get confused with that Remington Rand company made type writers and electronic razor. Because the War Broke out all companies made weapons for the war efforts. The Remington Rand and Union Light Switch are the two hard to get 1911's Its the ultimate war treasure
@@richardespinoza6243 Remington Rand made approx. 878,000 M1911A1s during WWII, the most of all 5 manufacturers. They are not hard to find. Union Switch and Signal (a railroad equipment maker) made 55,000 pistols, the least of all next to Singer. US&S 1911s are hard to find - and not cheap.
So it looks like you took a very nice original 1897 and had it cut up and put repo parts on to make it into sort of a copy of trench gun? Why would you start off with such a nice gun when you could have started off with one that had already been ruined by someone installing a cutts Compensator or poly choke? These will normally sell for a good deal less too I recently bought a model 1912 like this and cut the barrel back removing the Cutts compensator ( which I sold) I have thought about getting the parts to make it into a trench gun, but I don’t know From here that blued finish looks awful, nothing like an original old finish, Oh well in the end it’s your gun and if you are happy with it that is what matters It’s sort of like those people that would cut up a nice mauser 98k to make into that hunting rifle they wanted
But it would probably bother you if someone made a sporting rifle out of a 98 mauser, also keep in mind that gun was stripped down and rebuilt that paper probably wasn't even originally in that gun you just happened to get the one they put it back in
I sent them my 1897 (that had the license in the stock), they chopped it and did the heat shield, and sent it back. It’s all the original parts minus the heat shield/bayonet lug. I recognize all the wood as the original I had. And yes, I understand your comment on sporterizing. I thought heavily on this before doing it.
@@shootandcruise You thought heavily on it, yet didn't think to get the correct parts? WW1 trench guns were all solid frame guns with 6 row heat shields. WW2 guns were takedown guns with 4 row heat shields. You thought heavily on this, but couldn't even be bothered to get it right? All you've done here from your lack of attention to detail is create a frankengun out of a once authentic gun.
@@kevinbenedict1422you didn’t say a single word that I didn’t already know. Congrats and being holier and purer than all mankind. I enjoy the gun, don’t ever intend on selling it, and that’s all that matters.
They have to drill 3 small half circles at the bottom of the barrel that don’t actually breach into the barrel itself so the three screws can go through those half circles and cinch down.
Yep! All that happened here was he took a gun with actual monetary and historical value of its own, and made a fake that doesn't even have the correct parts.
You both are absolutely right. And I understand your perspective. However, I took a gun that had been sitting for over 60 years unused and converted it to as close as I could as a trench gun (having a 4 row heat shield and cylinder barrel would’ve made it clone correct). However, bull creek did not have either of their parts so I went through with it anyways. I’ve now got a gun I use almost monthly and never intend to sell.
@@kevinbenedict1422 He's got a sleeve tattoo, bought the first one he ever touched because it was in video games, and watches Garand Thumb videos. Good decisions are not in this guy's wheelhouse. If you're going to convert it and refinish a 1897, at least find a cosmetically low grade, but functionally good starting point that doesn't wreck a nice survivor. You'll have $200-$500 more in your pocket to kick toward the conversion, and there are 100X more rough 1897's out there than nice ones. Nope, I'm not a Fudd, just a millennial with common sense. Wait until his wife finds out he invested $1,900(are you nuts?) into a restoration/recreation on a gun he paid $500-700 for that's going to be worth about the same amount because unlike an original or Norinco, it didn't leave a factory in that configuration. He could have literally bought the real thing or three Norinco copies with the amount he dumped into this, and it would have been an actual investment instead of pissing money away.
Very happy to know you like your gun! Thanks for the shout-out. Have fun with it, Bull Creek Arms Team.
Thanks again! I recommend you guys to everyone I know who is interested in these sweet firearms.
I got one from you guys over last winter. I knew I’d enjoy it but I didn’t know I’d enjoy it that much!
Thanks guys, worth every penny
I bought 1957 version to convert, that way I was cheesing the least amount of people. I cut my own barrel and bought the heat shield/bayonet from atlantic armoury. The enfield pig sticker also fits. It's almost as fast as the 1301.
Nice result. I hate that you’re getting negativity in these comments. On mine I came up with an idea that I thought would be simple (was a headache for my local gunsmith). I kept my 28 inch takedown front assembly factory, but purchased a separate assembly and modified that one. So now it comforts that guilty part of my brain that I still have the ability to convert it to stock config, and be able to wield a clone of the gun I love while having almost no chance of affording a real version. 😂
Absolutely. This is the most ideal route aside from acquiring an authentic one. Thanks for the support!
That was educational. Thank you! Nice gun!
Thanks for watching!
Beautiful! I just got a 1911 manufactured, solid frame 1897 and plan to send it to Bill Creek too.
Nice
beautiful firearm. John Moses Browning knew how to make a legendary gun. jealous of you man
Thanks man. Browning is a legend
My dream scatter-gat. Maybe one day.
Totally awesome!
Thanks!
My 1912 1897 Winchester is 2 1/2 inch shells
So it was a leftover from the model ‘93
Oh wow. Nice!
Super cool. I’m thinking about doing this with my takedown. Do they cut some off the price if you don’t want it reblued?
I don't remember 100% but I think it's part of the package and they don't lower the price if you refuse it. Doesn't make sense to me, but that's how I remember it.
@@shootandcruise Thanks for the reply. Doesn't make sense to me either. I just want the barrel cut, the grooves for the heat shield screws milled properly, and the shield installed. If I don't need/want it reblued I shouldn't have to pay for it. Maybe I'll just do it myself.
@@jeffshootsstuff yeah I'd give them a call and ask
Love the old surprise from 1921 hidden in the butt stock. Enjoy!
Yeah it was really neat
That Baynoet is from the Remington Rand Company. Remington Rand made many Baynoets during World Wars I and II.
Thank you for educating me!
@@shootandcruise Also note Remington and Remington Rand are two different companies. Some people get confused with that Remington Rand company made type writers and electronic razor. Because the War Broke out all companies made weapons for the war efforts. The Remington Rand and Union Light Switch are the two hard to get 1911's Its the ultimate war treasure
@@richardespinoza6243 Remington Rand made approx. 878,000 M1911A1s during WWII, the most of all 5 manufacturers. They are not hard to find. Union Switch and Signal (a railroad equipment maker) made 55,000 pistols, the least of all next to Singer. US&S 1911s are hard to find - and not cheap.
The winchester 1897 is impressive. Copy or not. As long as it can slamfire!
Totally. They’re such a blast and absolutely iconic!
So it looks like you took a very nice original 1897 and had it cut up and put repo parts on to make it into sort of a copy of trench gun?
Why would you start off with such a nice gun when you could have started off with one that had already been ruined by someone installing a cutts Compensator or poly choke? These will normally sell for a good deal less too
I recently bought a model 1912 like this and cut the barrel back removing the Cutts compensator ( which I sold)
I have thought about getting the parts to make it into a trench gun, but I don’t know
From here that blued finish looks awful, nothing like an original old finish,
Oh well in the end it’s your gun and if you are happy with it that is what matters
It’s sort of like those people that would cut up a nice mauser 98k to make into that hunting rifle they wanted
I like this
Wait 'til you choot it. gobless hoss
How long did you have to wait to get it back? Was it the 6 weeks as they state on their website?
I had it back in about two weeks.
But it would probably bother you if someone made a sporting rifle out of a 98 mauser, also keep in mind that gun was stripped down and rebuilt that paper probably wasn't even originally in that gun you just happened to get the one they put it back in
I sent them my 1897 (that had the license in the stock), they chopped it and did the heat shield, and sent it back. It’s all the original parts minus the heat shield/bayonet lug. I recognize all the wood as the original I had. And yes, I understand your comment on sporterizing. I thought heavily on this before doing it.
@@shootandcruise You thought heavily on it, yet didn't think to get the correct parts? WW1 trench guns were all solid frame guns with 6 row heat shields. WW2 guns were takedown guns with 4 row heat shields. You thought heavily on this, but couldn't even be bothered to get it right? All you've done here from your lack of attention to detail is create a frankengun out of a once authentic gun.
@@kevinbenedict1422you didn’t say a single word that I didn’t already know. Congrats and being holier and purer than all mankind. I enjoy the gun, don’t ever intend on selling it, and that’s all that matters.
@@kevinbenedict1422go cry somewhere else boomer
interested to know the small mods to the barrel that have to be done to get the heat shield on that one since its a reproduction one like mine.
They have to drill 3 small half circles at the bottom of the barrel that don’t actually breach into the barrel itself so the three screws can go through those half circles and cinch down.
1911 and earlier were 2.5 inch shells
Good to know. Thanks
All Winchester 1897 from their introduction were chambered for 2 3/4 inch shells
The older model 1893 were chambered for the 2 1/2 inch shells
@@deadhorse1391 early 1897 we’re 21/2 shells
Spoilers: Converting a stock 1897 does not add value to the gun. If anything, it decreases in value...
Yep! All that happened here was he took a gun with actual monetary and historical value of its own, and made a fake that doesn't even have the correct parts.
You both are absolutely right. And I understand your perspective. However, I took a gun that had been sitting for over 60 years unused and converted it to as close as I could as a trench gun (having a 4 row heat shield and cylinder barrel would’ve made it clone correct). However, bull creek did not have either of their parts so I went through with it anyways. I’ve now got a gun I use almost monthly and never intend to sell.
@@shootandcruise Then, that's all that matters...As long as you are OK with it losing value, and never recovering your investment: "Whatever'...
@@kevinbenedict1422 He's got a sleeve tattoo, bought the first one he ever touched because it was in video games, and watches Garand Thumb videos. Good decisions are not in this guy's wheelhouse. If you're going to convert it and refinish a 1897, at least find a cosmetically low grade, but functionally good starting point that doesn't wreck a nice survivor. You'll have $200-$500 more in your pocket to kick toward the conversion, and there are 100X more rough 1897's out there than nice ones. Nope, I'm not a Fudd, just a millennial with common sense. Wait until his wife finds out he invested $1,900(are you nuts?) into a
restoration/recreation on a gun he paid $500-700 for that's going to be worth about the same amount because unlike an original or Norinco, it didn't leave a factory in that configuration. He could have literally bought the real thing or three Norinco copies with the amount he dumped into this, and it would have been an actual investment instead of pissing money away.
@@burtburt2263actually bull creek arms Conversions sell for over 2k.
First like. ❤
Congrats! You are entered into the raffle.
@@shootandcruise what’s the raffle for?
I just got my 1897 yesterday going to be a trench gun
Nice. You sending it to bull creek?
@ actually another shop is doing the conversion
Stop ruining these.
@@kevinbenedict1422wahh wahhh
@@kevinbenedict1422 it’s 1917 and not pristine by any means
This slaps!!!
Thanks dawg!
I got one from bull creek. It’s from 1901
That's awesome. They're extremely fun guns.