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  • @SonicKurosaki
    @SonicKurosaki 3 роки тому +651

    "Alright class, what have we learned?"
    *raises hand*
    "Yoko Shimomura is extremely talented and her music sounds good no matter what format it's in?"
    "EXACTLY"

  • @Flameboy1985
    @Flameboy1985 3 роки тому +361

    It's cool that we're hearing them in order of appearance in game, it almost feels like a playthrough.

    • @Mors
      @Mors 3 роки тому +33

      This is the joy of listening to video game soundtracks. Like a condensed playthrough in your mind.

    • @sonymicronin
      @sonymicronin 3 роки тому +9

      @@Mors Music can bring upon deep memories it's crazy

    • @TimmysohnLP
      @TimmysohnLP 3 роки тому +3

      I hear the soundtrack often in my free time and I always feel this way. It’s so cool^^

    • @jimjo1553
      @jimjo1553 3 роки тому +2

      Ikr when i saw the 13th struggle i was like "jesus were still at that part of the game ? We gonna be here for ages"

    • @Calvinooi
      @Calvinooi 3 роки тому +3

      A listen-through :)

  • @RyanSwiney
    @RyanSwiney 3 роки тому +331

    Where girls cried: Roxas theme
    Where boys cried: Roxas theme
    Where men cried: Roxas theme

    • @ChurlzVA
      @ChurlzVA 3 роки тому +16

      Don't leave out the women too ;)

    • @laststrike4411
      @laststrike4411 3 роки тому +1

      @Samuel Coco You could say that about any meme with a generalization.

    • @adampetersen5906
      @adampetersen5906 3 роки тому +11

      Where all of the above cried: Xion's theme (Vector to the Heavens)

    • @living_legacy_7
      @living_legacy_7 3 роки тому

      Where every fucking one cried: Roxas theme

    • @fink_rat
      @fink_rat 3 роки тому +3

      Where I cried: Roxas theme

  • @OhhIbbyOhh
    @OhhIbbyOhh 3 роки тому +48

    Man I did not realise how much better the original tension rising was. That shit slaps

    • @legendarymarston9174
      @legendarymarston9174 Рік тому +4

      That's the one track that I consider is MILES better than the remix.

  • @smoothsoulbrotha
    @smoothsoulbrotha 3 роки тому +151

    "Can you believe this boss fight is so boring? it's literally just a dude in a chair."
    When he stands up in BBS: "Please, sit back down."

    • @jamesvega6813
      @jamesvega6813 3 роки тому +12

      thats the thing, if he was badass enough to fignt in a chair, you would NEVER to fight him standing up

  • @OneRandomVictory
    @OneRandomVictory 3 роки тому +137

    Bizkit: Doot Doot and Percussion!
    Chat: Violins and Piano!

    • @sonymicronin
      @sonymicronin 3 роки тому +12

      I love the impact and thump of the original lol

    • @thecountercounter9127
      @thecountercounter9127 3 роки тому +14

      The original just has so much SPUNK in it exactly where it all needs to be like for tension rising, meanwhile HD has more of that hard piano the just goes in, like for dive into the heart where it really holds that "CHOOSE YOUR DESTINY" vibe to it

    • @mikashi1593
      @mikashi1593 3 роки тому +7

      The remix version I think got orchestral feeling kind of thing

  • @Jyukenmaster95
    @Jyukenmaster95 3 роки тому +71

    18:03 "the MIDI trumpet has so much passion in its heart"
    I just want to see that lone trumpet heartless doing god's work.

  • @crazyfire9470
    @crazyfire9470 3 роки тому +43

    The fact this was so divided speaks volumes to the amazing quality of Yoko Shimomura and the instrument players.

    • @crazyfire9470
      @crazyfire9470 3 роки тому +4

      If anyone is curious I guess, Personally I prefer the remix all the way, live instruments just sound much better here

  • @XepherXV
    @XepherXV 3 роки тому +194

    i really wish the 1.5+2.5 collection had an option for original audio, i love the remix but it does make me miss the original tunes

    • @emhooaryou698
      @emhooaryou698 3 роки тому +33

      Agreed! I think that having as many "original" toggles in remasters and remakes is good practice in general. As much as I like the soundtrack in the new NieR remaster, for example, I do sometimes wish I could have the original songs back. They did offer this option in Resident Evil 2, and it was great!

    • @MugenHeadNinja
      @MugenHeadNinja 3 роки тому +6

      Trails of Azure and Trails from Zero had the option to pick the original or reorchestrated version of just about every individual song, with the option to listen too the songs in the menu so you can compare.

    • @MikeAruba69
      @MikeAruba69 2 роки тому +6

      Hey, me too! Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD Remastered (PS4 and PC) and Final Fantasy XII: The Zodiac Age had the option to change the soundtrack.

    • @femto8402
      @femto8402 2 роки тому

      @@MikeAruba69 Those games even added the musics from the ost so we actually have 3 options. It was great

    • @ginogatash4030
      @ginogatash4030 2 роки тому

      I kinda wish they would kinda mix them toghether for when you're playing so it so the music feels less repetitive, but an option to switch from old to new would probably be better.

  • @aurumarma5711
    @aurumarma5711 3 роки тому +155

    This whole video:
    Trumpet vs Violin.
    Don't worry, guitar guy came back with Xion for the data battles.

    • @kezare569
      @kezare569 3 роки тому +7

      And Saix

    • @cillbipher2613
      @cillbipher2613 3 роки тому +8

      And Vanitas

    • @nesoukkefka1741
      @nesoukkefka1741 3 роки тому +3

      He is already here in the soundtrack for the 2.5's version of Hazardous Highway ^^

    • @ScapeVEVO
      @ScapeVEVO 3 роки тому

      Data Xion has guitar???????? I gotta get to that fight
      Need to hurry up and kick Xigbar’s ass

    • @absentsilhouette3438
      @absentsilhouette3438 3 роки тому

      @@nesoukkefka1741 I liked the original more. Maybe not for the Gummi ship but it reminds me of darkness of the unknown.

  • @pavlox8099
    @pavlox8099 3 роки тому +239

    In the words of Akihiko: “I’ve been waiting for this!”

    • @Lhovly
      @Lhovly 3 роки тому +1

      Bro Ong I been waiting for this

    • @Spookie624
      @Spookie624 3 роки тому +9

      ''DID YOU SEE THAT SHINJI?''

    • @kirikaze43
      @kirikaze43 3 роки тому

      akihiko sanada 2nd best boy

    • @cillbipher2613
      @cillbipher2613 3 роки тому +1

      Liquid Ocelot said it first.

    • @thepersonahunter..6260
      @thepersonahunter..6260 3 роки тому

      @@cillbipher2613 you clearly didnt get the meme

  • @runamolumatta2542
    @runamolumatta2542 3 роки тому +264

    Neither BB nor chat understand what MIDI music is (at least from what was said at the beginning). MIDI does not represent digitally created sounds, or synthesised sounds. You can use real recordings of instruments with MIDI. MIDI is a file that tells the computer how to use the sounds you give it; think of MIDI as sheet music, NOT instrumentation.
    Music is not bad because it's MIDI or good because it's a live performance. It's up to the entire composition whether it can be good or not. (This wasn't stated by anyone here, but I see this sentiment around quite a bit and is worth mentioning.)
    This nonsense keeps getting perpetuated. There are many super high quality MIDI recordings that I doubt anyone can really tell the differences from a live recording. Take Project Destati and Theophany, for example. They use a mix of everything, can you notice when and where the differences lie?

    • @MesserMusic
      @MesserMusic 3 роки тому +3

      I cant tell the difference

    • @trevsoda
      @trevsoda 3 роки тому +21

      it's just the easiest way to signal that we're not talking about real-ass live recorded instruments. I guess you could call it "synthesized" instead? Although idk if even that's totally accurate, because a lot of the ps2 version's sounds are probably samples.

    • @vrovvv
      @vrovvv 3 роки тому +17

      It's a dynamic thing. Regardless of whether the sound files for each instrument were live or not, there was probably one file for each note of each instrument.
      So even if you try to artificially raise the volume of certain hits to have them feel more pronounced, in the original recording you're using, the note was most likely played in a resonably "loud" manner and a simple increase in volume won't really change that. Same goes for when you lower the volume of a certain instrument to have a smoother mix.
      Each instrument sounds differently when played really softly and smoothly from when it's played agressively. The timbre changes drastically. That's why ghost notes are incredibly difficult to do and often sound terrible in midi. You're taking a recording of someone hitting a drum in a reasonably "loud" manner and lower it's volume to imply that it's now a ghost note, even though the hit sounds like a regular note, just turned down.
      You can never have the same authentic dynamic range and timbre a live orchestra has this way.

    • @stalkerzhs1864
      @stalkerzhs1864 3 роки тому +2

      CLASSIC DOOM MUSIC

    • @jQuse
      @jQuse 3 роки тому +13

      When MIDI is done right you can't tell the difference. When it's done wrong you can definitely tell the difference.

  • @hchappy125
    @hchappy125 3 роки тому +42

    I love so much of the hd remix shit, especially for updated violins. BUT...midi horns are just so fucking great

  • @GoldDragon20
    @GoldDragon20 3 роки тому +159

    I’m a sucker for Lazy Afternoons PS2...

    • @SMRPGFAN101
      @SMRPGFAN101 3 роки тому +12

      I like the GBA version myself, being my first exposure to that beautiful song, so I like it slightly above the PS2 version. It's actually my favourite song ever from a video game. That is a compliment when it's competing with Chrono Cross, Chrono Trigger, and Donkey Kong Country 2.

    • @xXLunatikxXlul
      @xXLunatikxXlul 3 роки тому +3

      Agreed

    • @marcosv.r5261
      @marcosv.r5261 3 роки тому +4

      I love the PS2 Re Chain of Memories version, the harmonica really fits the theme

    • @ds90seph
      @ds90seph 3 роки тому +1

      @@SMRPGFAN101 Honestly Chain of Memories on GBA is quite possibly my favourite KH game to replay. Music is a big part of that.

    • @kevin13cabello
      @kevin13cabello 3 роки тому +1

      @@marcosv.r5261 That version is my favorite, not counting the piano or orchestra concerts versions.

  • @hustheposum
    @hustheposum 3 роки тому +106

    Yoko Shimomura carried this franchise.

    • @SolarDragon007
      @SolarDragon007 3 роки тому +23

      She certainly did. FAR more so than the actual writing/plotline of the series. It's such a shame how much of a stupid, incoherent mess the story became because I have a TON of nostalgia for the first couple games.

    • @settingittowumbo1953
      @settingittowumbo1953 3 роки тому +1

      Amen to that

    • @xestalfer5774
      @xestalfer5774 5 місяців тому +1

      And Tetsuya Nomura's emo phase. Lots of flair and vibes with KH2 (combos finishers, scenematic reaction commands, edgy organization, game's general theme and aesthetic) but after KH2 it all just panders to disney side more and more

    • @NeroDracolith
      @NeroDracolith Місяць тому

      The juxtaposition of the tame and whimsical Disney side with the Rule of Cool edge is what made those moments feel glorious.

  • @GreenRequiem
    @GreenRequiem 3 роки тому +119

    now HERE'S my kind of content!!

  • @sonymicronin
    @sonymicronin 3 роки тому +53

    Now that KH2 is on PC we can pick and choose the best themes for each track lol. Someone needs to make a mod pack based on this video lol

    • @YaBoiBigNutz
      @YaBoiBigNutz 3 роки тому +8

      Honestly all I could think about watching this was how much I want a custom music mod for pc

    • @r0kavii
      @r0kavii 3 роки тому

      BB's KH2-nes (kh tunes)
      bad joke

  • @isaiah1927
    @isaiah1927 3 роки тому +125

    Yoko is so talented. I'm obsessed with her work. In my opinion I like the original soundtrack more because it feels as if it has more impact and you can hear individual instruments. In the remix alot of the songs sound mushed.

    • @LeMelleKH2
      @LeMelleKH2 3 роки тому +15

      I agree. Furthermore, a lot of the instruments sound a bit thinner in the remix, which is especially weird for having real instruments.

    • @sonymicronin
      @sonymicronin 3 роки тому +9

      @@LeMelleKH2 same. I always thought that since it was orchestrated the remixes would sound fuller and richer, but a lot of them just sound watered down...

    • @vaimantobe3034
      @vaimantobe3034 3 роки тому +5

      Not to mention that the volume is lower. There were points I could barely hear the music in-game. Turning up the volume would drown it out in sound-effects and voice clips.
      You would think it's just sound mixing, but the actual tracks are quieter!

    • @alexisnunez2877
      @alexisnunez2877 3 роки тому +4

      @@vaimantobe3034 the game would’ve been way better if it let you switch between the original soundtrack and the new one it would’ve made the game feel more complete

  • @siggymc1092
    @siggymc1092 3 роки тому +120

    Props to TeaRacer for editing 2 hours worth of content!

    • @TeaRacer
      @TeaRacer 3 роки тому +32

      Technically it was 4 hours and 45 minutes but ty :)))

    • @drumo2273
      @drumo2273 3 роки тому +5

      @@TeaRacer Even more so then man, major props!

  • @Kitsunade1
    @Kitsunade1 3 роки тому +88

    The way I'd describe the HD soundtrack for the most part is that it seems as though they were focused on making the music euphonic rather than faithful, at least when it comes to the mixing and the dynamics of the pieces. At times it almost sounds as if they weren't confident in the strength of the original composition and mixing, hence why they just randomly tone down the percussion across the board (barring a few standouts), why they generally focus more on instruments like strings and winds, why some instruments are just changed for seemingly no reason (looking at you, Savannah Pride), why staccato brass is constantly shoved to the back, etc. etc.. This can also explain why the HD soundtrack tended to do so well with slower, more emotional pieces. The interesting thing is that this can be kind of difficult to realize without actually comparing the two 1 to 1, which may explain why chat skewed towards the HD versions as often as they did. It seems like the music team didn't really realize that they didn't need to do any extra work for a lot of these songs because they already sounded amazing, and most just needed more realistic instrumentation to really shine. NOTE: I'm not a music professional by any stretch of the imagination, so I may be completely off on this.
    that being said, you're an absolute speedrunner shill for choosing OG Riku over HD Riku, actually biased

    • @jexusdomel5194
      @jexusdomel5194 3 роки тому +2

      Just wanted to say that I agree with everything here, especially hd riku, that guitar makes that theme for sure

    • @belot217
      @belot217 Рік тому

      Riku's theme in-game pales in comparison to the official Piano Collection version.

  • @z-v-x8324
    @z-v-x8324 3 роки тому +28

    Definitely one of your most unique and light hearted KH Talks, but i like it! A very laid back Podcast-esque feel to it.

  • @ChunkyCorgi28
    @ChunkyCorgi28 3 роки тому +64

    1:35:10 I’m sure this was a slip up and you already knew this, but while Sora and Riku didn’t have themes until KH2, Kairi definitely did. She had 3 separate renditions of it in KH1.

    • @juliansenni6279
      @juliansenni6279 3 роки тому

      Riku already had a theme in kh1

    • @Nay089
      @Nay089 3 роки тому +4

      @@juliansenni6279 Riku didn’t have a theme until KH2

  • @smokyking6680
    @smokyking6680 3 роки тому +5

    Lazy afternoon
    1:07
    1:57
    Sinister sundown
    3:23
    4:18
    The escapade
    5:53
    6:17

  • @TizioRandom77
    @TizioRandom77 3 роки тому +108

    Very enjoyable video! Btw, for future reference:
    - Scherzo di Notte is pronounced Scare-zoh dee not-tay
    - Forze del Male is pronounced For-zay dell mah-lay
    - Guardando nel Buio is pronounced Goo-ar-dan-doh nel boo-yo
    Hope this helps
    Source: I'm italian :)

    • @CoreaDiHuntington
      @CoreaDiHuntington 3 роки тому +6

      What the hell are you saying? Either you don't know how to write phonetics or you're not italian ahah

    • @CoreaDiHuntington
      @CoreaDiHuntington 3 роки тому

      @Blkmeta what

    • @CoreaDiHuntington
      @CoreaDiHuntington 3 роки тому

      @Blkmeta ?

    • @Poem-Tree
      @Poem-Tree 4 місяці тому

      @@CoreaDiHuntingtonwe are waiting for your correction all knowing sir

    • @CoreaDiHuntington
      @CoreaDiHuntington 4 місяці тому

      @@Poem-Tree uhh, are u ok dude? Answering to 3 years old comments Is a bit weird, anyway, if you're interested you can search the phonetics for those words yourself :-)
      Source: I'm italian :)

  • @ashleyneku5432
    @ashleyneku5432 3 роки тому +40

    Can't say enough how cool it is to have you talk about the music at length in any capacity. Kingdom Hearts is never perfect, but I feel its music, the sheer variance of it and how it fits the worlds' themes, is what keeps me coming back. There's something very special about launching into a fight in the Beast's Castle to Dance of the Daring that I don't get in many other games outside of the RPG scene.

    • @sonymicronin
      @sonymicronin 3 роки тому +6

      The music fits the worlds almost perfectly it's insane... Also the battle and field themes were always genius how they played off of each other. Yoko's music in KH has inspired me to get into music production, i suck tho lol

  • @Thyyyyyyyyme
    @Thyyyyyyyyme 2 роки тому +9

    I think what makes the HD version of The Other Promise so good is that the live instruments add this extra, tiny bit of vulnerability that just fits perfectly.

  • @InZaWoods
    @InZaWoods 3 роки тому +33

    I don't know if you still read comments from over two weeks ago, but I have a heavy background in music, so I think what you might be articulating what you like about the original is: 'staccato'.
    The MIDI versions have an advantage of sounding more separate and jagged in their notes, giving an 'edge' to their music. They were able to strictly dictate the length of notes, giving them their own 'punch'. This REALLY helps in the music that was built to be intense. But when the music is translated to a live orchestra, it's a lot harder for a a group of people to nail that 'punchy'ness to the music.
    Overall, I loved the smoother sounding music in the Remix. Lazy Afternoons, Missing You really add a lot of flavor in it's depth. It adds flavor, and passion to the quiet tones. Violins really carry over the MIDI version too.
    But the original will ALWAYS, in my opinion win with a more staccato sound. Tension Rising, The Encounter (OMG The Encounter OG KH2), and the 13th Struggle. You'll hear those punches of the horns and percussion much more dramatically, and the feeling just gets you so amped up.
    Hope this helps give you even more insight, as I feel like you kept describing staccato without saying the word. :)
    (I am about 1/3rd of the way through the video when writing this comment, so I don't know if you mention it later).

    • @bundesmostfinestent
      @bundesmostfinestent 2 роки тому +2

      I even love how the piano, strings, flutes sounds in the mix of the originals, all the twillight town themes, organization 13, all the battle themes, for me they all are better. I really loved Kairi Theme but I have to say they really nailed it in the HD bc the more slow attack on the instruments really fits to the songs. Most of the time the HD versions just don’t have the same effect as the og’s that’s why I prefer the ogs bc I think they are perfect

  • @KiExx0
    @KiExx0 Місяць тому +1

    8:51 I feel like I'm gonna be crazy for saying this, but I love the digital choir so much more than the vocalized one. I absolutely prefer the original version of this track over the remix one.

  • @lukesapigao3230
    @lukesapigao3230 3 роки тому +15

    I love it when chat changes their opinion to BB's when he states his opinion.

  • @BrankoPlays
    @BrankoPlays Рік тому +2

    really fun watch. would love a KH1 comparison video too but that's asking a lot I know :). Thanks!

  • @Arexion5293
    @Arexion5293 3 роки тому +28

    By the way, PS1 has games with soundtracks that use real instruments. It's just that most developers couldn't afford such sound production so most of the music was usually midi. Around PS2 era higher sound qualities were becoming the norm, but some still preferred to use simpler midi software.

    • @Roak1
      @Roak1 3 роки тому +10

      you also have to keep space restrictions in mind, that's part of the reason why those ps1 games had multiple discs and why something like re:com has streamed cd quality music but kh1 and 2 dont

  • @vjuicebox0292
    @vjuicebox0292 3 роки тому +18

    42:43 the moment bb knew he was being stalked by guitar guy. Lmao

  • @BurnoutParadise1123
    @BurnoutParadise1123 Рік тому +2

    Kingdom hearts music is timeless. I hope to bond with my future kids with it

  • @heylookitscesco8698
    @heylookitscesco8698 3 роки тому +8

    Some of these really took me by surprise. I didn't even notice how different they were until after I heard them side by side

  • @jhb1227
    @jhb1227 3 роки тому +8

    This was the best kh talk to experience live, it was so much fun

  • @onimaxblade8988
    @onimaxblade8988 3 роки тому +21

    This really did open my eyes to how a lot of the original tracks are in fact better, or at least have more positives, but I think I'm more a remix guy, and in general, I think the Remixes are some of the least objectionable remixes given to a game remaster.

    • @deaj8450
      @deaj8450 3 роки тому +3

      Yeah they definitely do it justice. I prefer the original for most tracks but when playing the new tracks are not anything that detract from my experience.

  • @Behind-The-Screens
    @Behind-The-Screens 3 роки тому +10

    *hears deep drive*
    First thing that pops into my head:
    Riku: "RAAAGH"

  • @BiggusNickus
    @BiggusNickus 3 роки тому +6

    I remember this being mentioned in another vod and I'm glad it actually happened.
    Really shows how amazing the music is throughout the series.

  • @GullAbyss
    @GullAbyss 3 роки тому +43

    Kingdom Hearts 2 sounds more "powerful" because of the percussions. While kingdom hearts 2 HD sounds more "majestic" thanks to the addition of strings, violin, and piano. They're both good, but for battle themes I think percussion is the way to go to pump up the player. But the HD nails the more calmer themes like lazy afternoon and afternoon streets.

  • @Pwrplus5
    @Pwrplus5 3 роки тому +3

    Loved seeing all the appreciation from you towards the original soundtrack in this video, I think a lot of people lean into this mindset that live orchestra/remade soundtrack automatically means its better but og kh2 has a lot of little things that were changed that can mess with the overall song. The 13th Reflection was probably the remix that got me most thinking about it, the 0:14 to 0:32 segment of the song sounds so different in 2.5 and very much for the worse to me, was real happy to see you pick the OG on that one.

  • @Shayanzass
    @Shayanzass 3 роки тому +87

    You can really hear the mixing done so fucking well in the original, but sometimes better instruments are just straight up better. The remix ost has some very poor mixing, and velocity on some notes are just bad ( destati especially), but the new instruments and chorus are just leagues better. You can tell Yoko Shimomura really cared about the mixing in the original, so certain parts packed an omph to it, where as the remix kinda is very constant, dont think it was touched by her at all, except for maybe the game select. and in the certain songs that do sound better, kairi and missing you. I feel like I'm hearing the piano collections shine through, which is why its decent cause they have some sort of music direction via the music sheets.

    • @Woodenfan
      @Woodenfan 3 роки тому +10

      2's mixing (original 2's) sounds pretty bad imo, there's too much screechy midi violins and I think that 2 FM sounds leagues better
      but that's just me.

    • @Shayanzass
      @Shayanzass 3 роки тому

      @@Woodenfan only so much you can do with ps2 sound font.

    • @Xagzan
      @Xagzan 3 роки тому +2

      @@Shayanzass Ironically KH1's samples sounded more realistic than KH2's.

    • @oneish7454
      @oneish7454 3 роки тому +4

      @@Woodenfan yeah, i think the samples used in the original kh2 are kinda poor, which is odd, because it sounded fine in kh1

    • @mohitvarma3420
      @mohitvarma3420 3 роки тому +2

      There was a square enix event on 2015 where they did confirm that Yoko did work on 1.5 & 2.5 HD remix soundtracks.

  • @Arexion5293
    @Arexion5293 3 роки тому +16

    There is one advantage the midis almost always have over the HD reorchestrations:
    Mixing. Since the midi is mostly fake, you can balance the audio levels and the instrument sounds overall without changing the innate colour of the music too much. Meanwhile the balancing of the real audio tracks gets tricky since it is somewhat dependent on the musician's performance to begin with. And the real life instruments don't exactly have the same colour as the midi versions do, making them have slightly different attributes when compared to the fake instruments. In some cases this difference in sound mixing becomes rather blatant, as there's barely a single midi song where it feels like one of the instruments is too weak, drowned out by the others, competing too much with the others or just standing out so much the entire tone of the song has now changed. While you can find plenty of examples of this in the reorchestrated songs, even the good ones. Dismiss for example is an entirely different song both in midi and real format.

    • @MesserMusic
      @MesserMusic 3 роки тому

      Real instruments just sound better raw.

  • @joeyjose727
    @joeyjose727 3 роки тому +19

    The remix’s have me from the start, like “OH of course this is better”, and then the song goes on and I feel like the impact isn’t as strong
    Original ps2 made several points, so if I could I would mash both together

  • @plates7245
    @plates7245 3 роки тому +14

    Fight to the Death suddenly became my favorite battle theme in the series

    • @MythicalAlien
      @MythicalAlien 2 роки тому

      Yea it’s pretty amazing. It’s always been one of my favorites

  • @Lamentationsofapoory
    @Lamentationsofapoory 3 роки тому +41

    Yeah, fuck sleep I'm trying to listen to this KHtalk about music.
    Strap in boyos

  • @megasoniczxx
    @megasoniczxx 3 роки тому +9

    Even though I grew up playing the original game a whole bunch as a kid, i'd say i'm leaning more towards the remastered soundtrack with a few exceptions. In an ideal world, i'd like a mixture of both the versions in the game. Tension Rising is interesting because I definitely like the OG one more, but I wish elements of the new one could be in it too.

  • @intelligenceparadigm4931
    @intelligenceparadigm4931 2 роки тому +5

    I remember in 2019 when KH3 came out and I downloaded the game and got to the title screen and when Dearly Beloved started playing there I just started *crying uncontrollably* immediately. Just let it play while I had this weird intense happy sob. My girlfriend at the time walked in and asked what was going on and I just couldn't explain at all.

  • @fink_rat
    @fink_rat 3 роки тому +15

    I think the problem with Tension Rising HD ReMIX is that it doesn't have that tense feeling of the unknown. The original felt like you were fighting aliens with how unknown the nobodies are in the beginning. In HD ReMIX it's extremely chaotic and not focusing on how mysterious these enemies are.

  • @SunnieD_
    @SunnieD_ 3 роки тому +10

    God. I feel happy knowing I'm not the only one who thought Tension Rising was severely nerfed in the HD version.
    Edit: God, and the MIDI trumpet just goes ham so much. I KNOW!!!

    • @camharkness
      @camharkness 3 роки тому +2

      bizkit047. Especially on his speed run of 2.5. He shits on it every chance he gets. So you were never the only one.

    • @night-oblivion8423
      @night-oblivion8423 3 роки тому +2

      @@camharkness Lmao xD

  • @Pesthuf
    @Pesthuf 3 роки тому +55

    I feel like the remixes often emphasize parts of the songs that dont matter and ignore the actual big parts that do.

    • @vaimantobe3034
      @vaimantobe3034 3 роки тому +12

      This!
      Especially prominent in Desire For All That Is Lost. The entire march is gone in favor of a solo violin

    • @deaj8450
      @deaj8450 3 роки тому +3

      Yeah the original definitely has an edge in mixing of the tracks. The action songs especially show the difference, the remix feels a bit hollow most of the time.

  • @AlexxxMYLSince2013
    @AlexxxMYLSince2013 3 роки тому +6

    27:11 Now that i think about it in Kh2 they sold us the idea that Roxas and Namine were in "love" and in Kh3 they throw that out of the window and go for the NamineXRiku, Roxas and her don't even interact during the ending, is so weird.

    • @ds90seph
      @ds90seph 3 роки тому +5

      Another reason why I find KH3 extremely disappointing personally. It pretends to have climactic/emotional moments for all of the characters (hell I shed tears admittedly) and yet a lot of it feels hollow or forced, which left the entire experience feeling somewhat soulless. It even retroactively made some things in kh2 less compelling :( like Axel's sacrifice etc. anyway I digress

    • @platinumcross4720
      @platinumcross4720 3 роки тому +4

      i just played kh2 recently, and naminé and roxas interact like once.... sure, love amirite

  • @nesoukkefka1741
    @nesoukkefka1741 3 роки тому +5

    Man I love the concept, should do this with more games/remakes

  • @robbystrange4772
    @robbystrange4772 3 роки тому +24

    I prefer the ps2 ost but thats like choosing between your two favorite children.
    P.s.
    If you can emulate sega saturn check out panzer dragoon saga. I think the same composer worked on that game too.

    • @daseal1479
      @daseal1479 Рік тому

      I didn't think Shimomura worked on that, I'll have to check it out. I love the original Panzer Dragoon.

  • @trevsoda
    @trevsoda 3 роки тому +10

    I feel like the MIDI arrangements for the battle themes just have more of a bop to them, a real orchestra just doesn't have the perfect groove that makes you instantly start nodding your head imo
    and the opposite is true as well, the more emotional/chill songs sound better in the HD version to me, because the real instruments are more expressive.

    • @sodecdash9336
      @sodecdash9336 3 роки тому

      It depends. Bloodborne has brilliant Boss music. For example "Cleric Beast/Vicar Amelia" is awesome and was performed on a real Orchestra

  • @DeadlyManner07
    @DeadlyManner07 3 роки тому +4

    Goddammit BB. You make me want to replay this game, but I'm vested in replaying persona 5. You can't tug at my heartstrings by playing nostalgic songs bro. Seriously tho, great video.

  • @onewingedangel1518
    @onewingedangel1518 3 роки тому +15

    Rowdy Rumble might as well be BBS theme song

  • @glacierwolf2155
    @glacierwolf2155 3 роки тому +3

    Ordinary people: "Synthesized trumpets."
    BB: "Doots."

  • @roger1724
    @roger1724 3 роки тому +1

    I was searching for a comparison like this not long ago!! I was shocked that I didn't realise the ost was remixed until reading about it

  • @Majoris239
    @Majoris239 3 роки тому +3

    13th Reflection on PS2 has that ghostly opening with the drum loop. I wish with all my soul that the remix could've had it. It's so damn hype.

  • @SuperSaiyanAl
    @SuperSaiyanAl 3 роки тому +13

    The PS2 mix of One Winged Angel uses the original vocals from the choir recorded for Final Fantasy VII, in 1997. The HD rearrangement uses a fresh recording, which, along with the higher quality audio samples, makes the song sound so much more modern, and alive.
    The original mix was something of a disappointment, but the remastered version became one of my favorite takes on OWA.

    • @daedrascrolls
      @daedrascrolls 3 роки тому +1

      2.5's One Winged Angel is in my opinion the best rendition of this song to this day and it's honestly incredible that 2's version of it originally sounded so bad which makes the glow up even better.

    • @SuperSaiyanAl
      @SuperSaiyanAl 3 роки тому +1

      @@daedrascrolls It is more than a little ironic that the 1997 mix sounds so much better than something produced for the PS2 in 2005.

    • @Caruniom
      @Caruniom 3 роки тому +2

      @@daedrascrolls Only thing about the new one is that it is mixed way too loud ingame. ;)

    • @robinanwaldt
      @robinanwaldt Рік тому +2

      I actually vastly prefer the 1997 choir. The HD ReMIX version has too much emphasis on the female singers in the higher register, whereas the original sounds more balanced and tighter.
      Edit: Holy Shit. ONLY the higher register has been re-recorded. The men singing the lower tones are still the '97 recording.

  • @JARPG100
    @JARPG100 3 роки тому +6

    I really liked this video, it made me realize that I enjoy the original soundtrack a lot more than I thought I would going in. It also made me finally realize what I didn't like about the remix's version and it was the lack in percussion. I'm honestly torn between being a slut for violin and the doots.

  • @LazyPirate8
    @LazyPirate8 2 роки тому +3

    Once the hd remixes hits steam, I hope someone can mod in the original music with an opinion menu to select the song you want in game.

  • @MalevolentFae
    @MalevolentFae 3 роки тому +6

    I am very disappointed with ya'll hating on original Corrupted. That's like one of my favorite tracks. Not to mention that it doesn't actually play during bad bosses. I can't think of a single bad Corrupted boss, that's crazy talk!

    • @dylansurendranath3091
      @dylansurendranath3091 3 роки тому +2

      Vile Fae I personally think the original Corrupted is super underrated. The 2.5 Corrupted though, is absolutely horrid, like what the hell were they thinking with the remix for that one!?!?!?

  • @gigavoltx8340
    @gigavoltx8340 3 роки тому +7

    Imagine someone was able to edit the mixing on the HD Remix version of the songs to be closer to the originals and mod the PC ports to include them. I'm not sure how it would be done, but I at least think it'd be a neat concept.

  • @SpookyTanukiGaming
    @SpookyTanukiGaming 3 роки тому +8

    As far as I can tell they battle themes are just way better in the original, they have a lot more punch.

  • @sagumelon
    @sagumelon 3 роки тому +13

    keep note the original stream was like 6 hours, yeah tearacer heavily edited it down

  • @EverythingDjCinema
    @EverythingDjCinema 3 роки тому

    I’ve been waiting for a videos like this tnk you

  • @minisquirtle9702
    @minisquirtle9702 2 роки тому +2

    Everyone: "idk.this one sounds better"
    Me: literally can't tell the difference

  • @223salvador
    @223salvador 3 роки тому +4

    Track 12 roxas: I guess my summer vacation is over, god the feels

  • @KirbyGotenksabsorbed
    @KirbyGotenksabsorbed 3 роки тому +7

    This makes it really hard to choose which soundtrack is better, each version does several key songs significantly better than the other.
    I'd love to see you try this for KH1's original and HD remix soundtracks.

  • @Harmoon13
    @Harmoon13 3 роки тому +2

    The only reason I smile to the Christmas Town themes and battle music is because how I learned about them through BB. I always have good memories hearing them.

  • @Lennoxrenol
    @Lennoxrenol 3 роки тому +1

    Wish I was there for the stream but I’m happy this was uploaded to youtube ☺️

  • @sebastianswan7975
    @sebastianswan7975 2 роки тому +5

    I think the original KH2 is a bit better when it comes to regards of battle music, but remix definitely takes the cake when it comes to overworld, and the more somber music of kingdom hearts

  • @isiahduran2041
    @isiahduran2041 3 роки тому +2

    The 13th struggle will always be my favorite kingdom hearts battle theme

  • @thund3rstrik329
    @thund3rstrik329 3 роки тому +7

    You know, I don't think there's a single song in either version of the soundtrack that I don't like. Yoko Shimomura is absolutely amazing

  • @LittleToNoEffort8597
    @LittleToNoEffort8597 3 роки тому +1

    Those original themes are so nostalgic, especially the world map theme!

  • @jamesduke5848
    @jamesduke5848 3 роки тому +6

    I was honestly sad when you said underworld track was forgettable😭 to me its one of my favorite world tracks i think. Its so nice

  • @likiji123
    @likiji123 3 роки тому +12

    I can't believe BB went through a whole video about KH2 music and not even mention Fate of the Unknown

    • @oneish7454
      @oneish7454 3 роки тому +7

      Probably because it wasn't relevant to the topic as Fate of the Unknown is actually orchestrated

    • @likiji123
      @likiji123 3 роки тому +1

      @@oneish7454 o huh always assumed it was midi, thats fair enough then

    • @mvscowner
      @mvscowner 3 роки тому +1

      he mentioned its the same for both

  • @Jojo-on7pk
    @Jojo-on7pk 3 роки тому +6

    BB is like: "this (remix) is brilliant, but I love this (original)

    • @Saix2008
      @Saix2008 3 роки тому +2

      Or
      So glad i grew up with this (Original)
      And not this
      (Re:MIX)

  • @Tuen9
    @Tuen9 3 роки тому +4

    Grand Totals:
    Chat:
    OG - 23.5
    RM - 57.5
    BB:
    OG - 38
    RM - 43
    The 0.5s are from the tie partway through.

  • @aeondolphin
    @aeondolphin 3 роки тому +2

    Yoko: Violins, another violin, one drum, violin, horn, two more violins.

  • @kingdomkey2262
    @kingdomkey2262 3 роки тому +6

    Not going to lie, its been so long since I played the original version, I couldn't even remember what the old soundtrack sounded like, I think almost all of the battle themes sound way more punchy and energetic in the orginal, especially vim and vigor. Glad the series is on pc now, so maybe someone can mod the og soundtracks in.

    • @MesserMusic
      @MesserMusic 3 роки тому +3

      Synthetic music sounds so wrong to me so i always go with real instruments. You can barely hear solo instruments in the original unless its a damn piano

  • @terrariku2010
    @terrariku2010 2 роки тому +5

    I think the Hollow Bastion theme should have stayed the midi one at first, but be swapped out when it became Radiant Garden once again.

    • @xXLunatikxXlul
      @xXLunatikxXlul 11 місяців тому +1

      That would have been such a neat change!

  • @Zzzlol94
    @Zzzlol94 4 місяці тому +1

    I find it funny that He's A Pirate wasn't even close to being the most one sided vote.

  • @weridplusho
    @weridplusho 2 роки тому +1

    One thing I noticed about the sad songs is that the OG tends to have a muddled feel. Like every instrument is fighting for their turn. This works with the blood pumping themes thanks to the doots, since you don't wanna pick out instruments you wanna get hyped. But being able to hear every instrument in the remix makes the sad songs have more of a punch.
    imo, that's also why some songs are hard to choose. You have to choose the punch or the hype. I love OG, but I can't deny Remix does a darn good job. I wish we could get OG-Remix hybrid of some songs. There are a few tracks where if you combined OG and Remix, you'd have the perfect song.

  • @Woodenfan
    @Woodenfan 3 роки тому +6

    Honestly, I'd love to see you try this with the OG KH as well, although I think it's really neck-and-neck to which is better

  • @tuannguyencanh6096
    @tuannguyencanh6096 3 роки тому

    Subscribed asap when i saw this video
    Fucking love this kind of content, lookiing forward to more of this man ♥

  • @cio4012
    @cio4012 3 роки тому

    I really wish I were part of the live chat this sounds like such a fun thing to talk about! I'm really big on any Kingdom heart's music and I don't know it would've been really fun to see everybody's thoughts on certain parts in each piece

  • @alexanderluna4598
    @alexanderluna4598 3 роки тому +10

    Remix literally said “VIOLIN IS SUPERIOR”

  • @Xagzan
    @Xagzan 3 роки тому +7

    Surprised but glad to see my opinion on Disappeared seems to be the common one. Most of the remixes stayed pretty exact to their originals, and all these years I've never understood why Yoko chose to change this one so drastically and deemphasize the choir so much. I loved that part of the track in KH2 , I thought it made it distinct from the KH1 version. But then the Remix just did away with that, like it wanted to copy KH1's instead. I don't get it.
    Ultimately it was also disappointing how the games didn't let us switch at will between the 2 scores, like other remasters have.

    • @deaj8450
      @deaj8450 3 роки тому +1

      The KH1 version of Disappeared sounds way better than the remix though, the remix is the worst of them all. Kh1's has a lot of power and oomph behind every instrument while maintaining a balanced mix. The mixing on the whole remix ost is worse than the originals.

    • @Xagzan
      @Xagzan 3 роки тому

      @@deaj8450 Well that's another story lol. It just wanted to veer closer to KH1's style, who knows why.

  • @lukeharrington2077
    @lukeharrington2077 3 роки тому +2

    As someone who plays clarinet, I love the Beast's Castle remix.

  • @fisherdotogg
    @fisherdotogg 3 роки тому +11

    I'm generally not huge on many of the HD Remixed songs, and especially not Tension Rising, but they do add some little accents to the large choral part in the middle. It's about the only saving grace with that song.
    It's weird though, the HD Remix seems to excel at the calmer and sadder songs, while the original does better at...everything else.

  • @F_iz-Z
    @F_iz-Z 3 роки тому

    The video we all needed. 💛

  • @manuelmialdea5127
    @manuelmialdea5127 3 роки тому +11

    Shit, I never noticed before how different some of them are. Now I'm not gonna be able to play 2.5 the same.

  • @aralskt4319
    @aralskt4319 3 роки тому +2

    Good video. BTW, since Yoko Shimomura did the soundtrack for the Mario & Luigi songs as well I wonder if someone would do a similar video with the two remakes that had remastered soundtracks. Or maybe a tier list of favorite soundtracks from the five games.

  • @d.mulanovich
    @d.mulanovich 3 роки тому +7

    The lack of doots in Disappeared bothered the heck out of me

  • @kevin13cabello
    @kevin13cabello 3 роки тому

    I wish I was there for this stream. I always love discussing music especially if it's video game music and it's about kh music!

  • @treddox5880
    @treddox5880 Рік тому +6

    I know it’s been a minute, but I’d really love it if you also did this for 1 and 1.5.

  • @RockyChickXx
    @RockyChickXx 3 роки тому +4

    The OG version of Riku's theme is definitely the superior one. I'm so glad that it's the one they added in KH MoM.

    • @Evilriku13
      @Evilriku13 3 роки тому +1

      I wouldnt have bought KH MoM if they reused that shitass remastered OST tracks for all of the old tracks. Like only 5 songs from KH2FM in total actually sound better with the vibes and instrumentation presented in compare!

    • @crazyfire9470
      @crazyfire9470 3 роки тому

      Ouch

    • @dylansurendranath3091
      @dylansurendranath3091 3 роки тому

      @@Evilriku13 Thank you! Finally, someone who agrees with me that the original soundtrack is superior to the 2.5 soundtrack! I feel like we're the minority unfortunately... :(

  • @ElliesCousin
    @ElliesCousin 3 роки тому +8

    I prefer the *original* over the HD Remix any day.
    It just sounds more bombastic and epic, which better compliments the overall combat to me.
    Like Bloody said multiple times throughout the video; the original soundtrack packs a bigger punch.
    *synth* *>* *orchestral*